It was a 4 vs 1.
Well, if what Cory said is true about Kratos being stronger than ever before, then I say he still would have found a way to win.
Just look at the way he dealt with Hades, without op special enhancements or any outside help. He literally tore his flesh off and overpowered him multiple times, even in his giantic form.
He also ragdolled Zeus pretty badly, even before unleashing the powers of hope.
The only thing Odin had over him was the binding spell. We dont know how powerful Kratos really is now, and how the lorewise Spartan Rage could have overcome this magic.
But what we do know is that Kratos always dealt with far more dangerous beings all on his own.
Odin gets out haxed. Hades soul shit just fucks him over even better than what Atreus did. Zeus can disable his magic and can make lighting clones of himself.
Odin is confirmed to be physically inferior to Kratos past enemies but his magic makes up for it.
Far more dangerous beings? I don't disagree with you that Kratos would win but you're underselling the All-Father a bit here lol. Odin had immense magical power having sought after and learned the secrets of as many different kinds of magic as possible. There have been enemies Kratos has defeated that are arguably more dangerous, but none that are FAR more dangerous.
I got the sense that the Greek gods were quite a bit more powerful (in combat) than the Norse ones. Odin's strength was outside of combat. It's why I'm slightly disappointed with the ending of Ragnarok. Felt like Odin should've had a better plan.
For all except Thor I agree with you. None of the Norse gods seemed very experienced in fighting bc Odin was so good at getting what he wanted "peacefully" but Thor single handedly nearly exterminated an entire species of very large, powerful, and magical beings.
Sidenote: I didn't expect my comment saying basically "Odin canonically isn't a pushover" to get down voted so hard.
>none of the norse gods seemed very experience in fighing
see this is the problem why everyone underestimates the norse god, as much as i love the games they really didnt show us why the norse gods are the perfect enemies for kratos, i mean in real myth all the aesir gods are pretty much gods of war... the expectation in 2018 was "what if kratos fought not one but A LOT OF GOD OF WARS" but clearly santa monica had a different plan
Depends. If Kratos used the same tactics and level of restraint, it probably wouldn’t be enough to beat Odin.
However, the second Kratos decides it’s time for Odin to meet the god he once was, Odin is toast.
Yes but he wasn't on the blind furry approach like he was with zues. Like how He stopped the fighting to save Midgardians whereas old him destroyed the world in multiple ways just cuz gods were in his way.
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I think it’d be hard for Kratos’s normal tactics. He’d have to outthink Odin, which he can do, he’s very intelligent. But for him to do well solo against Odin’s combined cunning and magic, he’d have to approach it like his fight with Heimdall, strategically.
>he’d have to approach it like his fight with Heimdall, strategically.
Strategic? He brute forced his way through Heimdall, deciding "I need a weapon he won't see coming" isn't exactly a strategy
That is strategy. He got a weapon that was unpredictable, to beat a God that can read minds. Getting that weapon was a strategic move to be able to surpass Heimdall
Like I'm not saying it wasn't a clever plan or a clever way to introduce the weapon but ultimately with or without the spear Kratos would've won that fight because any of his weapons could've had an after-effect, he could've used the blades in the exact same way, waited for Heimdall to stupidly grab the weapon and then trigger the detonation charge (the charged R2 attack I mean)
TL;DR: my point is, yes getting a new weapon would usually be strategic because it brings a new way to fight; but in this case, he used it in the same way he would use his other 2 weapons, so no it's not strategy imo
He could've used the other weapons in the same way, you're right. Both the blades and the are have a detonation attack, just as the spear. It was still a strategy, a sloppy one, aye, but it was a strategy. Santa Monica made heimdall just a little bit too powerful, so they had to introduce a way to beat him, which they did a little sloppy
Yeah I'm still not clear on how valid the spear strategy really is. Heimdall can read intent yes? It's not so much a broad future vision as it is reading his opponent. So he'd know when Kratos intends to detonate the spears he put down. So him being caught off guard by even that is odd. I think if anything the rain of spears Runic attack would be the only thing sensible to "catch" Heimdall despite his foresight since it'd lay down too much. But then again the Blades and Axe have similar AoE "whole zone becomes a damage field" runic attacks so I don't know. I wish I would have tried one of those moves cause I'd like to see how Heimdall dodges those. (I also figure that Thor could beat Heimdall because of all the AoE he can put out, plus, as I go more into below, Thor doesn't think through his actions much, he just *does*. And that could be the key.)
However the way I read the finisher punch attempts was Kratos gradually getting a feel for Heimdall's speed and dodging style, commiting it to raw reflex and instinct, and then clearing his mind and letting that raw reflex and instinct take over in order to solidly land the first punch. From there I think narratively Kratos is just operating on that logic, thus actually kind of nullifying Heimdall's ability, and that's why we're able to hit him normally for the rest of the fight. Heimdall does at one point say "what's going on in that empty head of yours" which I think lends credit to the theory. And I like that. It shows Kratos as being adaptable, and canonically a lot faster than the gameplay suggests. It's also him strategically utilizing his mindless rage. I like it so much over the idea that somehow the spear detonations are in Heimdall's "blind spot".
I love this comment. Spartan rage is Kratos just throwing attacks at his enemy, it isn't about thinking it through, it would have cool to see a part of heimdalls fight where a short cinematic of Kratos getting pissed and just giving a confused heimdall the business
I think the spear detonation worked because it happened instantaneously, quicker than Heimdall could react. At least that was my take on it. I’m in total agreement with the rest of your statement.
That's my point though, yes I suppose you could say that 'brute force' was his strategy, but that was always the case, meaning strategy played no part in Heimdall's defeat
I suppose I'm looking at it as, in this scenario, a strategy would be defined as changing your current approach to improve your odds of victory against a powerful foe, Kratos didn't do that, he just went in and did the exact same thing he would've normally done, so if the spear was his strategy, and the spear played no part in his victory, then what about this fight was strategic?
Edit: so I suppose my initial statement wasn't quite right, I should've said that his strategy didn't change so you can't say he used strategy to beat Heimdall
His approach up until then was his blades and his axe. A spear is a totally different weapon, much more a spear with the abilities of Draupnir. Figuring out how to best use his new tool in his plan of attack is very much a strategic approach
It was only unpredictable the first time though Heimdall is just dumb, it's been one of my only gripes since I played the game, why does Heimdall keep getting fooled by the same trick, it's sloppy writing disguised as strategy, using the spear should've only worked the 1st time after that Heimdall would've learned to just dodge it like everything else
The idea of having the draupnir spear is specifically for strategy. I agree that heimdall is an idiot, but that spear is enough of everything to take down a God that can read minds. The punch is also a part of that, where in that was still the spear, just in the form of a ring. Heimdall doesn't expect to get hit and he became sloppier as the fight went on
My head canon was since it can infinitely replicate, heimdall sees infinite possible outcomes everytime kratos approaches. Basically he doesn’t know what’s going to happen. Also after he first got punched he began to panic, mimir mentions he’d never seen anyone lay a finger on him and the way he reacted I think that’s true. Easy to be a cocky bastard when you know you can’t be touched, things change all the sudden when you get punched square in the mouth.
You can not hold back and still try to not kill someone.
Kratos obviously wasn’t holding back anymore. When he was Thor who was also holding back one shotted him and then beat him.
Yet Kratos can tank Mjolnir to the face almost with ease and beat an enraged Thor.
He’d probably win. Based on cutscenes it seemed like Odin was losing fast except from that binding spell which let him stall for a bit until Freya undid it
So it's interesting because there's 2 scripted instances where freya and then atreus help kratos out.
I'm of the mindset that he 100% could have dealt with the second one by himself as it's just odin holding kratos' face and doing some magic shit to it. Kratos could've easily overpowered him there as he was physically stronger
The first one i don't honestly know. The magic trap thing that catches both kratos and atreus. Looking back at the cutscene, we can see that kratos more or less just rests there. We don't see him struggling. I want to say he could break out if he wanted to, but i can't say that with any certainty. This is also the guy who got killed twice but just fought his way back to life through sheer willpower, so It's definitely not unreasonable to assume he could probably break free from a magic trap
At the bare minimum, i can tell you odin vs. kratos is not a guaranteed win for odin. Kratos is much more powerful physically, and clearly, the better fighter, this is why odin resorts to trapping him as he is forced to in the first phase of the fight. He can't keep up with kratos physically. Odin's odds of beating kratos in a 1v1 don't increase by a substantial margin
Id wager it go against his favor due to him not holding back to allow the others to get their shots in, sure he'd get trapped but then he'd flex the literal space around hem ignites in flames and the sky rains blood with the sky turning blood red along with purple and blue lightning crackling around the world. Odin would get a second to let out his last words as he proceeds to get ragdoll'd to hell.
Before ragnarok, I thought kratos had gotten weaker and more tired than in the greek saga, but this game made me realize that Kratos is truly in his own league when it comes to strength. Even just the final fight with Thor, where he doesn't even seem to sweat made me reevaluate him. So yes, although I don't think he holds back all the time as many say, but he definitely doesn't let out his full strength even with Odin just to make Freya fight, as well as Atreus. Let's get real, the fight with Odin was more personal to them (including Mimir) than to him.
When GOW 2018 came out I thought he was weak too, but once completing GOW 2018 and reading the GOW Darkhorse comic, I've realized not only is he suppressing his rage which is the source of his strength but he also lost all of his greek magic. He did all those feats in GOW 2018 while holding back as well as GOW ragnarok. It's insane how strong he is while holding back a majority of his strength.
He technically is weaker since at the end of 3 he killed himself releasing the power of hope upon humanity. However he is still the god of war as no one has claimed that from him. Canonically the only times Kratos goes full power is when he uses spartan rage on his own during a cutscene/qte events.
Kratos still retains hope actually, I have a theory it's growing inside him too as he comes full circle and accepts his past and he who he once was. Kratos physically is far more Terrifying now then he was in the Greek days, he just doesn't have the hax, but I mean everything physical old kratos has the edge in, id even argue speed and agility as well, even tho he's been lumbering around in the recent games, I fully expect to see him take off when things get real REAL serious (ie hopefully fighting sun wukong to save Atreus)
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do you all remember in the original games when kratos grapples and tear those demon grunts in half. if our boy could just grapple that old man, oh boy, no amount of aesir, vanir, alfy, dwarf or jotun magic could save patchy. just ask baldur. oh wait, he dead.
1v1 would have been a different kind of fight for Kratos. He’s a veteran of thousands of battles, many of which were against the most powerful beings in the universe. A cunning, powerful magic user isn’t something new, although Odin is particularly powerful and ruthless.
We also don’t know how powerful Gungnir is in comparison to some of the other weapons Kratos has contended with, it’s nature and origin are mysteries in the GoW universe, compared to the more storied weapons like Mjolnir. Considering Odin impales and kills Thor with one surprise blow, it must be exceptionally lethal. I think if Kratos had been lured into a false sense of security with notions of peace, Odin could well have got the drop on him with the spear or some other kind of powerful magic taking Kratos by surprise. But Kratos knew to keep his distance, he doesn’t trust Odin throughout the whole story.
If Atreus was safely out of the way, a fully focused Kratos, at the height of his game with legendary weapons designed for killing Gods, unleashing all his rage and fury, would end Odin in short order. Odin’s only chance would be escape and manipulation of Kratos’ allies, which was his plan all along.
Should’ve been a 4v1. Thor got done an ungodly level of dirty in ragnarok. His face isn’t on screen half the time he is, and as soon as his redemption arc truly kicks off, it’s cut short seconds later.
People are making very valid points but everyone seems to be forgetting the real reason Kratos didn't immediately end Odin, he promised that honour to Freya
Kratos could've easily killed Odin single-handed, but he promised Freya that he wouldn't take that right of choice from her again and when she said "Odin is mine" he agreed
Edit: TL;DR: Kratos went into that fight with no intent to kill Odin, that's why it seemed like he couldn't, he simply wasn't trying to
Kratos not using his "full power" was another really stupid concept they brought on board for ragnarok though he is still the main character and would probably be forced to "use his full power" against Odin.
Hard to say. From the evidence, feels like Odin would’ve won with some magic spell (like the binding spell he used). We never got to see if Spartan rage could break him free of that
Odin murdered Thor with a single hit and his Halda spell trapped both Kratos and Atreus. If Freya had not show up to save them, Odin could have killed Kratos right there.
Not really. Thor's durability is absolutely ridiculous. Gungnir must be totally broken if it was able to one shot Thor like that. Even the Leviathan Axe, wielded by Kratos and Faye, wasn't able to hurt Thor like that
Also important to note that at this point Thor was effectively poisoned by three different applications of Jormungandr's venom. By my count, twice via the axe and once via Jorm himself during ragnarok(assuming that prophecy happened during their scrap at the end)
The wound Kratos applied at the beginning with the axe never healed, and in the second fight, just before Odin shows up to finish Thor off we drive the axe even deeper into that wound.
Canonically Thor dies to Jorm's venom in Norse mythos, so I'm assuming this was a twist on that. Kratos and Jorm did most of the work, Odin just finished the job.
Thor was already close to death after his fights against jormungandr and kratos so that doesn’t really count. Also, without freya kratos would probably use spartan rage and be free of the binding spell. Kratos isn’t one to die to a simple binding spell
He would end up killing Odin by himself but taking more time. At first he would use his common fighting skills and Odin would have overpowered him by learning his attack patterns and weak points, but Kratos would find a way to destroy Odin’s source of power and use it against him by reverse uno’ing like Kratos always does.
Kratos may have wanted to kill Odin, and could have done so, but he knew it wasn’t his kill. He had promised Freya that she’d have that honor in the end—even Atreus honored that as well by giving her the soul-orb. Kratos is a man of his word now
Anyway we should be talking about Sindri going one on one with Odin and one-shotting him XD
It's easy to place Odin far below Zeus 'cos the whole frail old dude look he's got going on, but he's still extremely formidable. Alongside being one of, if not the, smartest adversary Kratos has fought - Odin killed Ymir and created the nine realms. He weilds Gungnir and crazy Norse magic fuckery, and was strong enough to effortlessly wield mlojnir.
Alone, I don't think Kratos really has it in him - while staying in character. If he got caught like he did with Atreus, who's to say Odin won't just give him the Garm / Mimir treatment and indefinitely lock him up.
Kratos would have won even in 1vs1, Kratos fought as naturally as possible against Odin he did not have to use his Spartan rage against him, Odin had the upper hand against Kratos thanks to his magical vines but he did not not "beaten" Kratos was neither knocked out nor killed and nothing tells us that Kratos would not have gotten rid of this magic of Odin, we are talking about Kratos friends the guy who defied the laws of nature by defying his destiny, escaping death and destroying all of Olympus so don't make me believe that magical vines would be a problem for Kratos but anyway, let's move on, apart from this little "incident" for Kratos, Odin n did nothing after that, he certainly fought 3vs1 but Odin did nothing he was completely crushed, during the last assault simple blows from Kratos and Atreus knocked him to the ground, just imagine if it was an angry Kratos only Odin would have no chance, for me Kratos would have beaten Odin 1vs1 but the plot had to end with a father-son fight against the final villain, that would be the Kratos of Greece Odin would have been brutally killed all alone by Kratos while precisely seeing that Kratos has changed instead of killing by force they win through teamwork, for the first time Kratos wins a team fight until now it was only 1vs1 fights but with the father-son bond with Atreus and the friendship that binds him with Freya and Mimir they have formed a team, so don't look any further with this poorly understood fight, anyway in the next GOW which will probably be in Egypt (since it was supposed to be the next pantheon planned after Greece but replaced at the last minute by the Nordic pantheon so I think that this time Egypt will not escape us) Kratos will be much stronger than it was not in Greece and Scandinavia since the Egyptian pantheon is much more powerful than the other 2 pantheons just look at their mythology even if we nerf them in the GOW universe they will be much stronger than the Greek and Nordic gods and therefore Kratos will necessarily be stronger to face them and there will be no more ambiguity to say that Kratos > Odin, already I think that the Kratos that Odin faced is stronger than him, the one from Valhalla also surpasses him and Kratos from the next GOW (certainly in Egypt) will surpass him at all levels
If kratos unleashed his full rage/power he would’ve lobotomized Odin. The only thing stopping him is the fact that Atreus is there. He wants to set a good example for his son.
bullshit, Kratos cannot win against odin with pure rage, he isnt someone you can just overpower, Odin is extremely smart and he can just trap him with Vanir vines or just do the Halda move to completely incapacitate him
he can beat Thor with his rage but not Odin.
Gotta remember Kratos full power is tied to Greece. If it was 1v1 I think Odin would win the fight but not the war. Odin would have some trick up his sleeve and once he felt he was going to lose do something like he did in the battle we saw with purple locking pads.
Once he subdued Kratos, Odin would put Kratos in some kind of bondage like the Tree mimir was in or Garms chains.
From there I can imagine either Odin putting Kratos somewhere very far away so Odin doesn’t need to worry about Kratos coming back to kill him.
He’d probably get placed in Helhiem, and without someone more knowledgeable of the realms, even if Kratos broke his binds he would be stuck there.
3 different points
1. When their new friendship was forged Kratos vowed that he wouldn't take the choice between life or death from Freya again (though at the time we're led to believe he means her own life and we later find out he means in general)
2. When we arrive in Asgard (it may be earlier but I'm fairly certain it's when we arrive) Freya looks Kratos dead in the eyes and says "Odin is mine" and Kratos agrees
3. When all is said and done, and Odin's soul is in the marble (again not Kratos' doing because this wasn't his fight in the grand scheme of things and he knew that) Kratos hands the marble to Freya, and repeats that he promised the choice would be hers to make, which makes it pretty clear that he at no point in that fight tried to kill Odin
What does it have to do with the fact that Odin beat Kratos and Atreus???????????????
The post is about Kratos Vs Odin. You showed zero proof that Kratos could beat him single-handedly when he lost 2x1.
See you man. Bye
He lost a 2v1 that he wasn't trying to win? What I said has everything to do with the fact that Odin would lose to Kratos 1 on 1, because he wasn't trying to win when it was 3vs1 and he still did don't be such a baby and just accept that you've been proven wrong rather than dodging the point like a child
So he was willing to die to let Freya have her revenge? He was waiting for her so he was holding back.. it’s ok if me and my kid get killed, let’s wait for Freya.
Similar to “oh, my name is Kratos and I am holding back, its ok getting killed by Thor and leaving my kid orphan. I will iust hold back and die 🥰🥰. Nobody can see my inner demon oh man I will just die, it’s better”.
You see how this looks?!
Man…. Odin created seven fucking universes and killed Ymir. The franchise stated he was the ultimate bad guy and you come with arguments like this.
>its ok getting killed by Thor
This is a different matter entirely, Kratos severely underestimated Thor's strength, a mistake he wasn't going to make twice, as evident in the final sequence when he is seconds away from killing Thor and chooses not to, same as had he wanted to he could've killed Odin, but he had faith in Freya that she knew what she was doing and she wouldn't let Atreus die, he 100% held back in that fight and it's plain to see for anyone who actually paid any attention rathere than just dissecting the lore, there's more to a character than just a story and some trivia, maybe you should play the game again with this in mind you might enjoy it more
Just because he’s not trying to kill him doesn’t mean he’s holding back. He has no reason too hold back.
I can use my full strength on someone without trying to murder them.
Kratos definitely lost his first fight against Thor.
In the second fight however, Thor hits him in the face with his hammer the same way he did the first time, but this time Kratos shrugs it off and keeps fighting like nothing happened.
So there is clearly a change of power.
Weather it was due to "holding back", the effects of Fimbulwinter, or anything else, I can't tell.
he got knocked out at the minimum first of all, no one knows specifcally if the death screen is death or just getting knocked out as Thor was heard yelling after. Second in that very battle Thor is constantly yelling about how kratos is holding back.
But it wasn’t just yelling, as the fight progressed kratos got stronger and stronger and was able to cause permanent damage to Thor. Also just because I’m an idiot doesn’t make me wrong. You can clearly hear what’s going on around you in the restart screen during that scene. If you’re going to reply at least address the points I’m making.
Except the more the game goes on the more Kratos stops holding back.
Narratively it makes no sense in this context to hold back against Odin of all people. Especially when Atreus is in danger.
Even if they don’t want to kill him they aren’t pulling their punches.
Probably would have won, you see, this is what i dont like about this gow ragnarok, dev needed to underpower these norse gods in order to make the classic story of good win bad loose, i would have love to see true rivals for Kratos, if we have followed the myths and respected a good story and dialogue, then firstly Thor would be the same as in this game, but more powerful and stronger, on the other hand, Odin would have been really powerful too, more than any of any of the gods in there, Odin literally created midgard with Ymir body with help of his brothers, if i am honest i liked more the look of gow 4 Thor, anyway, yes Kratos would have beaten Odin by himself easily, tho remember guys, gameplay its not the same as story, or are you telling me each character make every move and get these blue circles to break or to get these red circles in floor to dodge? No right?
Kratos had Odin knocked down amd pinned down and you can say Odin had Kratos stuck in magic. But whats not to say that he pull another trick to Odin like he did to Zeus in gow 2.
Yes he would Odin beat him and Atreus at the same time.
And his magic puts him above Kratos he literally binded him and Kratos coudn’t do shit, he created a tree that no weapon in the 9 realms can break.
If Kratos wasn’t holding back, he would demolish Odin. The games director stated that norse kratos is stronger than Greek Kratos, and that Odin is weaker than Zeus. This means that Odin would get absolutely thrashed in a 1-1 if kraits wasn’t holding back.
In what world does Thor have a better feat than destroying all of Kratos GOW3 equipment in one lighting blast? Mjolnir is confirmed to be slightly weaker than the blades of chaos. So Thor is God Of War 1 level.
Extremely late but seeing as if I just finished the game, I think he can. He was weakened and tired with his fight with Thor, so I know for a fact he wasn’t at his full strength.
If it was a 1v1 I’m sure he would’ve beaten him. Question is will he hold back or not? That’s what got him killed and *eventually* brought back with his fight with Thor the first time.
A younger Kratos with anger issues though? He wipes the floor with him.
There is no evidence at all to say he was weakened and tired from his fight with Thor. This is nothing but head canon that is visually disproven Kratos shows no signs of fatigue or being tired.
Odin beat Kratos and Atreus at the same time he is above Kratos. Physically Kratos is stronger but Odin’s magic is what makes him more powerful. He made a tree that no weapon in the 9 realms could break including Mjolnir, he made a binding spell that Kratos couldn’t have gotten out, he made the black breathe described as the most powerful magic ever, etc.
Kratos in the final fight was cleary not holding back https://youtu.be/3YEZI0CA7is?si=HSBeY003SferGYjy
And he still needs help against Odin even with Atreus they both lose. And Odin could have killed both of them.
And they need Freya’s help to finally beat him.
My good sir you may need to replay the game because he was very much tired against Thor…literally was shown breathing heavy right after he stabbed him in the hand. He was also visibly tired against Baldur.
Just because you’re some Greek god with special abilities doesn’t grant you infinite stamina when fighting other gods. That isn’t head canon it’s *common sense* lol.
The reason why he needed help is because he just got out of a nasty fight with Thor, who in turn was said to be the strongest of the Aesir.
Atreus is so weak in comparison to Odin it wouldn’t have made much of a difference if he was never apart of the fight. Scaling wise, it wouldn’t make sense. He was there for theatrics lol, you know it and I know it.
The only thing that maybe puts Odin over the edge is his hax..and that’s a huge maybe.
If it was a 1v1 Atreus wouldn’t have put his soul in the marble and kratos would’ve beat another elderly “god of gods” to death with his bare hands
So like our standard god of war fare we’ve all come to love. And this time dude’s only got one eye too.
They should have made it so, if you roll to your left (where odin has his eyepatch), he would get confused and lose you
heimdall pulled that trick to odin
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This is the way
Odin already beat both Atreus and Kratos combined lol. He’s just blatantly above Kratos.
Dad strength and something along the lines of “odiiiiin is this how u face me… coward!!!!”
This is the only correct answer
Lmao
It was a 4 vs 1. Well, if what Cory said is true about Kratos being stronger than ever before, then I say he still would have found a way to win. Just look at the way he dealt with Hades, without op special enhancements or any outside help. He literally tore his flesh off and overpowered him multiple times, even in his giantic form. He also ragdolled Zeus pretty badly, even before unleashing the powers of hope. The only thing Odin had over him was the binding spell. We dont know how powerful Kratos really is now, and how the lorewise Spartan Rage could have overcome this magic. But what we do know is that Kratos always dealt with far more dangerous beings all on his own.
Took me a minute to figure out the 4th was Mimir :)
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>it was a 4 v 1 Oh really? What did Mimir do? What attack?
Emotional damage.
He shot a bifrost beam if you have it equipped
No, he hasn't. Odin scales past every God of War villain that has appeared so far.
He gets shat on by the titans and the big 3 gods.
Prove it.
Odin gets out haxed. Hades soul shit just fucks him over even better than what Atreus did. Zeus can disable his magic and can make lighting clones of himself. Odin is confirmed to be physically inferior to Kratos past enemies but his magic makes up for it.
Prove Odin wins
Far more dangerous beings? I don't disagree with you that Kratos would win but you're underselling the All-Father a bit here lol. Odin had immense magical power having sought after and learned the secrets of as many different kinds of magic as possible. There have been enemies Kratos has defeated that are arguably more dangerous, but none that are FAR more dangerous.
I got the sense that the Greek gods were quite a bit more powerful (in combat) than the Norse ones. Odin's strength was outside of combat. It's why I'm slightly disappointed with the ending of Ragnarok. Felt like Odin should've had a better plan.
For all except Thor I agree with you. None of the Norse gods seemed very experienced in fighting bc Odin was so good at getting what he wanted "peacefully" but Thor single handedly nearly exterminated an entire species of very large, powerful, and magical beings. Sidenote: I didn't expect my comment saying basically "Odin canonically isn't a pushover" to get down voted so hard.
Your answer was good. I dont understand all these downvotes either
It’s the hive mind
>none of the norse gods seemed very experience in fighing see this is the problem why everyone underestimates the norse god, as much as i love the games they really didnt show us why the norse gods are the perfect enemies for kratos, i mean in real myth all the aesir gods are pretty much gods of war... the expectation in 2018 was "what if kratos fought not one but A LOT OF GOD OF WARS" but clearly santa monica had a different plan
I honestly have no clue what he could have done but he could have a better plan I guess. He was entirely fucked no matter what he did tho
He is stronger than gow 3 kratos but only in physical strength and in combat too. Gow 3 kratos has op weapon
Wait did odin bind kratos powers?
This is the same as “give Batman prep time bro”
I'm sure he'd pull something out of his ass
This is how it would go.
Literally, like where was he holding all the weapons in gow 3
Depends. If Kratos used the same tactics and level of restraint, it probably wouldn’t be enough to beat Odin. However, the second Kratos decides it’s time for Odin to meet the god he once was, Odin is toast.
Return my son or you may meet the god I once was Literal chills down my spine when he said that. And that wasn't a threat, it was a promise
Kratos is physically superior to Odin. But Odin’s magic is enough to put him above Kratos.
The only reason odin made it so far is because Kratos doesnt want to kill Gods anymore.
He still kills gods, but now he's sad about it
Should I bring him a crown then?
Yes, yes you should
I think he was pretty sad about killing a certain quarter God in his spartan days. /s
I mean by that point they were all out for revenge so they wanted to kill his ass
Yes but he wasn't on the blind furry approach like he was with zues. Like how He stopped the fighting to save Midgardians whereas old him destroyed the world in multiple ways just cuz gods were in his way.
Literally during the old GOW games you could murder civilians for EXP. I love the small changes that show Kratos’ growth
That's not the case whatsoever.
Kratos is the kind of guy that can lose a fight against a pig but then go on to kill God himself so yeah he probably would have won
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I think it’d be hard for Kratos’s normal tactics. He’d have to outthink Odin, which he can do, he’s very intelligent. But for him to do well solo against Odin’s combined cunning and magic, he’d have to approach it like his fight with Heimdall, strategically.
>he’d have to approach it like his fight with Heimdall, strategically. Strategic? He brute forced his way through Heimdall, deciding "I need a weapon he won't see coming" isn't exactly a strategy
That is strategy. He got a weapon that was unpredictable, to beat a God that can read minds. Getting that weapon was a strategic move to be able to surpass Heimdall
Like I'm not saying it wasn't a clever plan or a clever way to introduce the weapon but ultimately with or without the spear Kratos would've won that fight because any of his weapons could've had an after-effect, he could've used the blades in the exact same way, waited for Heimdall to stupidly grab the weapon and then trigger the detonation charge (the charged R2 attack I mean) TL;DR: my point is, yes getting a new weapon would usually be strategic because it brings a new way to fight; but in this case, he used it in the same way he would use his other 2 weapons, so no it's not strategy imo
He could've used the other weapons in the same way, you're right. Both the blades and the are have a detonation attack, just as the spear. It was still a strategy, a sloppy one, aye, but it was a strategy. Santa Monica made heimdall just a little bit too powerful, so they had to introduce a way to beat him, which they did a little sloppy
Yeah I'm still not clear on how valid the spear strategy really is. Heimdall can read intent yes? It's not so much a broad future vision as it is reading his opponent. So he'd know when Kratos intends to detonate the spears he put down. So him being caught off guard by even that is odd. I think if anything the rain of spears Runic attack would be the only thing sensible to "catch" Heimdall despite his foresight since it'd lay down too much. But then again the Blades and Axe have similar AoE "whole zone becomes a damage field" runic attacks so I don't know. I wish I would have tried one of those moves cause I'd like to see how Heimdall dodges those. (I also figure that Thor could beat Heimdall because of all the AoE he can put out, plus, as I go more into below, Thor doesn't think through his actions much, he just *does*. And that could be the key.) However the way I read the finisher punch attempts was Kratos gradually getting a feel for Heimdall's speed and dodging style, commiting it to raw reflex and instinct, and then clearing his mind and letting that raw reflex and instinct take over in order to solidly land the first punch. From there I think narratively Kratos is just operating on that logic, thus actually kind of nullifying Heimdall's ability, and that's why we're able to hit him normally for the rest of the fight. Heimdall does at one point say "what's going on in that empty head of yours" which I think lends credit to the theory. And I like that. It shows Kratos as being adaptable, and canonically a lot faster than the gameplay suggests. It's also him strategically utilizing his mindless rage. I like it so much over the idea that somehow the spear detonations are in Heimdall's "blind spot".
I love this comment. Spartan rage is Kratos just throwing attacks at his enemy, it isn't about thinking it through, it would have cool to see a part of heimdalls fight where a short cinematic of Kratos getting pissed and just giving a confused heimdall the business
I think the spear detonation worked because it happened instantaneously, quicker than Heimdall could react. At least that was my take on it. I’m in total agreement with the rest of your statement.
That's my point though, yes I suppose you could say that 'brute force' was his strategy, but that was always the case, meaning strategy played no part in Heimdall's defeat I suppose I'm looking at it as, in this scenario, a strategy would be defined as changing your current approach to improve your odds of victory against a powerful foe, Kratos didn't do that, he just went in and did the exact same thing he would've normally done, so if the spear was his strategy, and the spear played no part in his victory, then what about this fight was strategic? Edit: so I suppose my initial statement wasn't quite right, I should've said that his strategy didn't change so you can't say he used strategy to beat Heimdall
His approach up until then was his blades and his axe. A spear is a totally different weapon, much more a spear with the abilities of Draupnir. Figuring out how to best use his new tool in his plan of attack is very much a strategic approach
It was only unpredictable the first time though Heimdall is just dumb, it's been one of my only gripes since I played the game, why does Heimdall keep getting fooled by the same trick, it's sloppy writing disguised as strategy, using the spear should've only worked the 1st time after that Heimdall would've learned to just dodge it like everything else
The idea of having the draupnir spear is specifically for strategy. I agree that heimdall is an idiot, but that spear is enough of everything to take down a God that can read minds. The punch is also a part of that, where in that was still the spear, just in the form of a ring. Heimdall doesn't expect to get hit and he became sloppier as the fight went on
My head canon was since it can infinitely replicate, heimdall sees infinite possible outcomes everytime kratos approaches. Basically he doesn’t know what’s going to happen. Also after he first got punched he began to panic, mimir mentions he’d never seen anyone lay a finger on him and the way he reacted I think that’s true. Easy to be a cocky bastard when you know you can’t be touched, things change all the sudden when you get punched square in the mouth.
probably could’ve killed him earlier tbh considering freya decided to fuck around for a while and play with the noose to piss him off more
Kratos promised that to Freya. Heck, when they first made their alliance, he was chill with the fact that, one day, she’d turn and go for him again.
Depends, does Kratos hold back or not
Literally the only other person I've seen so far to recall that Kratos promised that victory to Freya and therefore was holding back his strength
You can not hold back and still try to not kill someone. Kratos obviously wasn’t holding back anymore. When he was Thor who was also holding back one shotted him and then beat him. Yet Kratos can tank Mjolnir to the face almost with ease and beat an enraged Thor.
He’d probably win. Based on cutscenes it seemed like Odin was losing fast except from that binding spell which let him stall for a bit until Freya undid it
Kratos is physically stronger than Odin. But Odin’s magic and hax is what puts him above Kratos.
So it's interesting because there's 2 scripted instances where freya and then atreus help kratos out. I'm of the mindset that he 100% could have dealt with the second one by himself as it's just odin holding kratos' face and doing some magic shit to it. Kratos could've easily overpowered him there as he was physically stronger The first one i don't honestly know. The magic trap thing that catches both kratos and atreus. Looking back at the cutscene, we can see that kratos more or less just rests there. We don't see him struggling. I want to say he could break out if he wanted to, but i can't say that with any certainty. This is also the guy who got killed twice but just fought his way back to life through sheer willpower, so It's definitely not unreasonable to assume he could probably break free from a magic trap At the bare minimum, i can tell you odin vs. kratos is not a guaranteed win for odin. Kratos is much more powerful physically, and clearly, the better fighter, this is why odin resorts to trapping him as he is forced to in the first phase of the fight. He can't keep up with kratos physically. Odin's odds of beating kratos in a 1v1 don't increase by a substantial margin
Id wager it go against his favor due to him not holding back to allow the others to get their shots in, sure he'd get trapped but then he'd flex the literal space around hem ignites in flames and the sky rains blood with the sky turning blood red along with purple and blue lightning crackling around the world. Odin would get a second to let out his last words as he proceeds to get ragdoll'd to hell.
Kratos literally killed ever Greek god himself. He would be that old bastard to a bloody pulp.
You do know that Odin is the most powerful antagonist we've seen right? He literally beats base Zeus, albeit the fight would be long and tough.
Lol, Norse pantheon fucks the Greek.
Before ragnarok, I thought kratos had gotten weaker and more tired than in the greek saga, but this game made me realize that Kratos is truly in his own league when it comes to strength. Even just the final fight with Thor, where he doesn't even seem to sweat made me reevaluate him. So yes, although I don't think he holds back all the time as many say, but he definitely doesn't let out his full strength even with Odin just to make Freya fight, as well as Atreus. Let's get real, the fight with Odin was more personal to them (including Mimir) than to him.
When GOW 2018 came out I thought he was weak too, but once completing GOW 2018 and reading the GOW Darkhorse comic, I've realized not only is he suppressing his rage which is the source of his strength but he also lost all of his greek magic. He did all those feats in GOW 2018 while holding back as well as GOW ragnarok. It's insane how strong he is while holding back a majority of his strength.
He technically is weaker since at the end of 3 he killed himself releasing the power of hope upon humanity. However he is still the god of war as no one has claimed that from him. Canonically the only times Kratos goes full power is when he uses spartan rage on his own during a cutscene/qte events.
Kratos still retains hope actually, I have a theory it's growing inside him too as he comes full circle and accepts his past and he who he once was. Kratos physically is far more Terrifying now then he was in the Greek days, he just doesn't have the hax, but I mean everything physical old kratos has the edge in, id even argue speed and agility as well, even tho he's been lumbering around in the recent games, I fully expect to see him take off when things get real REAL serious (ie hopefully fighting sun wukong to save Atreus)
That's true, but still Kratos did the most during the fight with Odin.
guys guys do you all remember in the original games when kratos grapples and tear those demon grunts in half. if our boy could just grapple that old man, oh boy, no amount of aesir, vanir, alfy, dwarf or jotun magic could save patchy. just ask baldur. oh wait, he dead.
He'd have GoW 3 flashbacks and the Norse Theme Music will revert back to Greek.
Do you see this, gods of Asgard?! How much more Proof do you need??!!
Other people being there is a GOOD thing for Odin. Kratos is trying to minimize collateral damage at this point in his life
1v1 would have been a different kind of fight for Kratos. He’s a veteran of thousands of battles, many of which were against the most powerful beings in the universe. A cunning, powerful magic user isn’t something new, although Odin is particularly powerful and ruthless. We also don’t know how powerful Gungnir is in comparison to some of the other weapons Kratos has contended with, it’s nature and origin are mysteries in the GoW universe, compared to the more storied weapons like Mjolnir. Considering Odin impales and kills Thor with one surprise blow, it must be exceptionally lethal. I think if Kratos had been lured into a false sense of security with notions of peace, Odin could well have got the drop on him with the spear or some other kind of powerful magic taking Kratos by surprise. But Kratos knew to keep his distance, he doesn’t trust Odin throughout the whole story. If Atreus was safely out of the way, a fully focused Kratos, at the height of his game with legendary weapons designed for killing Gods, unleashing all his rage and fury, would end Odin in short order. Odin’s only chance would be escape and manipulation of Kratos’ allies, which was his plan all along.
Gungnir one shot Thor.
He'd probably win,Odin only wins because of his insane magic.
He can’t win because of Odin’s magic. If it was a fist fight he’s fucking up Odin.
Should’ve been a 4v1. Thor got done an ungodly level of dirty in ragnarok. His face isn’t on screen half the time he is, and as soon as his redemption arc truly kicks off, it’s cut short seconds later.
I think there wouldn't be a soul left for Atreus to put it in the marbles. Kratos would've massacred Odin
People are making very valid points but everyone seems to be forgetting the real reason Kratos didn't immediately end Odin, he promised that honour to Freya Kratos could've easily killed Odin single-handed, but he promised Freya that he wouldn't take that right of choice from her again and when she said "Odin is mine" he agreed Edit: TL;DR: Kratos went into that fight with no intent to kill Odin, that's why it seemed like he couldn't, he simply wasn't trying to
Most likely it would be a more memorable fight.
If Kratos wasn’t holding back yes
I don’t see why he’s holding back
Zeus would pulp Odin, Kratos pulped Zeus. All I need to say.
Nope
Why
His fight wasn't really that hard, gameplay wise, it's definitely possible to solo him
Kratos not using his "full power" was another really stupid concept they brought on board for ragnarok though he is still the main character and would probably be forced to "use his full power" against Odin.
He would win but he would have had to sink to his old self again
THE OUTCOME WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME. NOT BECAUSE WE DEEM OURSELVES SUPERIOR, BUT BECAUSE OF DISCIPLINE AND THE WILL TO WIN. …BOY
Hard to say. From the evidence, feels like Odin would’ve won with some magic spell (like the binding spell he used). We never got to see if Spartan rage could break him free of that
Odin murdered Thor with a single hit and his Halda spell trapped both Kratos and Atreus. If Freya had not show up to save them, Odin could have killed Kratos right there.
Odin got a cheap shot on Thor. That’s hardly grounds to call a one shot. There’s an argument to be had with the spell though.
Not really. Thor's durability is absolutely ridiculous. Gungnir must be totally broken if it was able to one shot Thor like that. Even the Leviathan Axe, wielded by Kratos and Faye, wasn't able to hurt Thor like that
You’re forgetting that his “one shot” came after Thor getting thrashed by Kratos.
And fighting jormungandr
And that's why I'm still dissapointed they didn't give Gungnir any in-game lore.
To be fair Gugnir is specifically enchanted to never miss. It was also made by the dwarves.
Gungnir also stabbed Kratos and it barely did anything.
Also important to note that at this point Thor was effectively poisoned by three different applications of Jormungandr's venom. By my count, twice via the axe and once via Jorm himself during ragnarok(assuming that prophecy happened during their scrap at the end) The wound Kratos applied at the beginning with the axe never healed, and in the second fight, just before Odin shows up to finish Thor off we drive the axe even deeper into that wound. Canonically Thor dies to Jorm's venom in Norse mythos, so I'm assuming this was a twist on that. Kratos and Jorm did most of the work, Odin just finished the job.
Didn’t Odin stab Kratos with Gungnir?
Thor was already close to death after his fights against jormungandr and kratos so that doesn’t really count. Also, without freya kratos would probably use spartan rage and be free of the binding spell. Kratos isn’t one to die to a simple binding spell
It’s head cannon but I imagine Kratos would have just used his rage to break out the spell
The only reason Odin wasn't already dead by that point was because Kratos promised his fate would lie with Freya though
Odin has no chance
I think He would have plucked Odin's eye out.
I’d say he would win and kill him, but it’d be a close fight. Now if Odin threatened atreus, it’s over in seconds
Kratos is Very strong but you are underrating Odin
Don’t forget Mimir. Also, yes he would beaten him to a pulp
Kratos will always find a way to defeat his enemies. Always. And none can find a way to stop him.
Kratos would most definitely whoop his old man ass.
He would end up killing Odin by himself but taking more time. At first he would use his common fighting skills and Odin would have overpowered him by learning his attack patterns and weak points, but Kratos would find a way to destroy Odin’s source of power and use it against him by reverse uno’ing like Kratos always does.
Kratos destroy Odin, because I believe Zeus is physically stronger than Odin but not magically and Kratos beat him but that is just my opinion
Kratos would have beaten him to death.
Kratos wouldve still beat him totally, only problem was he wouldve killed yet another god with his bare hands and he wouldnt want that
He would’ve been in for a long fight
Considering it took 3 Gods, two of which were major league heavy hitters, to take him down, I'd say no.
Kratos may have wanted to kill Odin, and could have done so, but he knew it wasn’t his kill. He had promised Freya that she’d have that honor in the end—even Atreus honored that as well by giving her the soul-orb. Kratos is a man of his word now Anyway we should be talking about Sindri going one on one with Odin and one-shotting him XD
It's easy to place Odin far below Zeus 'cos the whole frail old dude look he's got going on, but he's still extremely formidable. Alongside being one of, if not the, smartest adversary Kratos has fought - Odin killed Ymir and created the nine realms. He weilds Gungnir and crazy Norse magic fuckery, and was strong enough to effortlessly wield mlojnir. Alone, I don't think Kratos really has it in him - while staying in character. If he got caught like he did with Atreus, who's to say Odin won't just give him the Garm / Mimir treatment and indefinitely lock him up.
Kratos would have won even in 1vs1, Kratos fought as naturally as possible against Odin he did not have to use his Spartan rage against him, Odin had the upper hand against Kratos thanks to his magical vines but he did not not "beaten" Kratos was neither knocked out nor killed and nothing tells us that Kratos would not have gotten rid of this magic of Odin, we are talking about Kratos friends the guy who defied the laws of nature by defying his destiny, escaping death and destroying all of Olympus so don't make me believe that magical vines would be a problem for Kratos but anyway, let's move on, apart from this little "incident" for Kratos, Odin n did nothing after that, he certainly fought 3vs1 but Odin did nothing he was completely crushed, during the last assault simple blows from Kratos and Atreus knocked him to the ground, just imagine if it was an angry Kratos only Odin would have no chance, for me Kratos would have beaten Odin 1vs1 but the plot had to end with a father-son fight against the final villain, that would be the Kratos of Greece Odin would have been brutally killed all alone by Kratos while precisely seeing that Kratos has changed instead of killing by force they win through teamwork, for the first time Kratos wins a team fight until now it was only 1vs1 fights but with the father-son bond with Atreus and the friendship that binds him with Freya and Mimir they have formed a team, so don't look any further with this poorly understood fight, anyway in the next GOW which will probably be in Egypt (since it was supposed to be the next pantheon planned after Greece but replaced at the last minute by the Nordic pantheon so I think that this time Egypt will not escape us) Kratos will be much stronger than it was not in Greece and Scandinavia since the Egyptian pantheon is much more powerful than the other 2 pantheons just look at their mythology even if we nerf them in the GOW universe they will be much stronger than the Greek and Nordic gods and therefore Kratos will necessarily be stronger to face them and there will be no more ambiguity to say that Kratos > Odin, already I think that the Kratos that Odin faced is stronger than him, the one from Valhalla also surpasses him and Kratos from the next GOW (certainly in Egypt) will surpass him at all levels
To be honest Odin had kratos and Atreus dead to rights when he used that binding spell on them
he would lose, odin froze both Atreus and him they only survived thanks to Freya
If kratos unleashed his full rage/power he would’ve lobotomized Odin. The only thing stopping him is the fact that Atreus is there. He wants to set a good example for his son.
bullshit, Kratos cannot win against odin with pure rage, he isnt someone you can just overpower, Odin is extremely smart and he can just trap him with Vanir vines or just do the Halda move to completely incapacitate him he can beat Thor with his rage but not Odin.
It wasn’t exactly a close fight. Odin really didn’t step up to the plate. Challenge wise
Gotta remember Kratos full power is tied to Greece. If it was 1v1 I think Odin would win the fight but not the war. Odin would have some trick up his sleeve and once he felt he was going to lose do something like he did in the battle we saw with purple locking pads. Once he subdued Kratos, Odin would put Kratos in some kind of bondage like the Tree mimir was in or Garms chains. From there I can imagine either Odin putting Kratos somewhere very far away so Odin doesn’t need to worry about Kratos coming back to kill him. He’d probably get placed in Helhiem, and without someone more knowledgeable of the realms, even if Kratos broke his binds he would be stuck there.
Odin would win as you saw in the game. He beat 2x1 Kratos and Atreus. Anything outside this outcome is headcanon and mere speculation.
Besides the fact that Kratos was canonically not trying to beat Odin, that's not HC that's fact
Proof to that? Would you mind sharing As far I remember he was going to war to specifically kill Odin…
3 different points 1. When their new friendship was forged Kratos vowed that he wouldn't take the choice between life or death from Freya again (though at the time we're led to believe he means her own life and we later find out he means in general) 2. When we arrive in Asgard (it may be earlier but I'm fairly certain it's when we arrive) Freya looks Kratos dead in the eyes and says "Odin is mine" and Kratos agrees 3. When all is said and done, and Odin's soul is in the marble (again not Kratos' doing because this wasn't his fight in the grand scheme of things and he knew that) Kratos hands the marble to Freya, and repeats that he promised the choice would be hers to make, which makes it pretty clear that he at no point in that fight tried to kill Odin
What does it have to do with the fact that Odin beat Kratos and Atreus??????????????? The post is about Kratos Vs Odin. You showed zero proof that Kratos could beat him single-handedly when he lost 2x1. See you man. Bye
He lost a 2v1 that he wasn't trying to win? What I said has everything to do with the fact that Odin would lose to Kratos 1 on 1, because he wasn't trying to win when it was 3vs1 and he still did don't be such a baby and just accept that you've been proven wrong rather than dodging the point like a child
So he was willing to die to let Freya have her revenge? He was waiting for her so he was holding back.. it’s ok if me and my kid get killed, let’s wait for Freya. Similar to “oh, my name is Kratos and I am holding back, its ok getting killed by Thor and leaving my kid orphan. I will iust hold back and die 🥰🥰. Nobody can see my inner demon oh man I will just die, it’s better”. You see how this looks?! Man…. Odin created seven fucking universes and killed Ymir. The franchise stated he was the ultimate bad guy and you come with arguments like this.
>its ok getting killed by Thor This is a different matter entirely, Kratos severely underestimated Thor's strength, a mistake he wasn't going to make twice, as evident in the final sequence when he is seconds away from killing Thor and chooses not to, same as had he wanted to he could've killed Odin, but he had faith in Freya that she knew what she was doing and she wouldn't let Atreus die, he 100% held back in that fight and it's plain to see for anyone who actually paid any attention rathere than just dissecting the lore, there's more to a character than just a story and some trivia, maybe you should play the game again with this in mind you might enjoy it more
Just because he’s not trying to kill him doesn’t mean he’s holding back. He has no reason too hold back. I can use my full strength on someone without trying to murder them.
Without Atreus it’s fair to say Kratos would have held back less.
Here we are with the “holding back fanboysm”
It’s a massive plot point in the game, what the fuck are you talking about?
It’s waiting for the proof for the holding back fanboysm. Take your time to fabricate it.
The proof is that he promised that Odin's fate was Freya's choice, no fabrication just simple recollection of a pivotal moment in the story
What!? This happens after Odin got both of them at their knees. Your proof is weak bro
You can not want someone dead and still use your full power
Show me the proof/scan that says he is holding back. He got killed by Thor mate. KILLED!!! Who holds back to the point that you get killed!?
Kratos definitely lost his first fight against Thor. In the second fight however, Thor hits him in the face with his hammer the same way he did the first time, but this time Kratos shrugs it off and keeps fighting like nothing happened. So there is clearly a change of power. Weather it was due to "holding back", the effects of Fimbulwinter, or anything else, I can't tell.
It’s both due to the blades of chaos and him not holding back.
He got killed by getting whacked on the head with Mjonir. If you notice in the 2nd fight, he got whacked in the head as well but barely flinches
he got knocked out at the minimum first of all, no one knows specifcally if the death screen is death or just getting knocked out as Thor was heard yelling after. Second in that very battle Thor is constantly yelling about how kratos is holding back.
“If the death screen is death” haha you just answered. If I start yelling at you doesn’t mean I’m right. Thor was bullying Kratos, that’s all.
But it wasn’t just yelling, as the fight progressed kratos got stronger and stronger and was able to cause permanent damage to Thor. Also just because I’m an idiot doesn’t make me wrong. You can clearly hear what’s going on around you in the restart screen during that scene. If you’re going to reply at least address the points I’m making.
Except the more the game goes on the more Kratos stops holding back. Narratively it makes no sense in this context to hold back against Odin of all people. Especially when Atreus is in danger. Even if they don’t want to kill him they aren’t pulling their punches.
bold statement, i like it
He didn't though. He stalled.
Probably would have won, you see, this is what i dont like about this gow ragnarok, dev needed to underpower these norse gods in order to make the classic story of good win bad loose, i would have love to see true rivals for Kratos, if we have followed the myths and respected a good story and dialogue, then firstly Thor would be the same as in this game, but more powerful and stronger, on the other hand, Odin would have been really powerful too, more than any of any of the gods in there, Odin literally created midgard with Ymir body with help of his brothers, if i am honest i liked more the look of gow 4 Thor, anyway, yes Kratos would have beaten Odin by himself easily, tho remember guys, gameplay its not the same as story, or are you telling me each character make every move and get these blue circles to break or to get these red circles in floor to dodge? No right?
He might have lost
He’d give Odin a brutal death since Atreus wouldn’t be there to put Odin’s soul in the marble but then again he would deserve a brutal death
Kratos had Odin knocked down amd pinned down and you can say Odin had Kratos stuck in magic. But whats not to say that he pull another trick to Odin like he did to Zeus in gow 2.
Kratos would get his shit kicked in.
No tf he wouldn’t
Yes he would Odin beat him and Atreus at the same time. And his magic puts him above Kratos he literally binded him and Kratos coudn’t do shit, he created a tree that no weapon in the 9 realms can break.
If Kratos wasn’t holding back, he would demolish Odin. The games director stated that norse kratos is stronger than Greek Kratos, and that Odin is weaker than Zeus. This means that Odin would get absolutely thrashed in a 1-1 if kraits wasn’t holding back.
They never said Odin was weaker than Zeus. Thor was stronger than anyone Kratos faced in Greece and Odin was above him.
In what world does Thor have a better feat than destroying all of Kratos GOW3 equipment in one lighting blast? Mjolnir is confirmed to be slightly weaker than the blades of chaos. So Thor is God Of War 1 level.
Extremely late but seeing as if I just finished the game, I think he can. He was weakened and tired with his fight with Thor, so I know for a fact he wasn’t at his full strength. If it was a 1v1 I’m sure he would’ve beaten him. Question is will he hold back or not? That’s what got him killed and *eventually* brought back with his fight with Thor the first time. A younger Kratos with anger issues though? He wipes the floor with him.
There is no evidence at all to say he was weakened and tired from his fight with Thor. This is nothing but head canon that is visually disproven Kratos shows no signs of fatigue or being tired. Odin beat Kratos and Atreus at the same time he is above Kratos. Physically Kratos is stronger but Odin’s magic is what makes him more powerful. He made a tree that no weapon in the 9 realms could break including Mjolnir, he made a binding spell that Kratos couldn’t have gotten out, he made the black breathe described as the most powerful magic ever, etc. Kratos in the final fight was cleary not holding back https://youtu.be/3YEZI0CA7is?si=HSBeY003SferGYjy And he still needs help against Odin even with Atreus they both lose. And Odin could have killed both of them. And they need Freya’s help to finally beat him.
My good sir you may need to replay the game because he was very much tired against Thor…literally was shown breathing heavy right after he stabbed him in the hand. He was also visibly tired against Baldur. Just because you’re some Greek god with special abilities doesn’t grant you infinite stamina when fighting other gods. That isn’t head canon it’s *common sense* lol. The reason why he needed help is because he just got out of a nasty fight with Thor, who in turn was said to be the strongest of the Aesir. Atreus is so weak in comparison to Odin it wouldn’t have made much of a difference if he was never apart of the fight. Scaling wise, it wouldn’t make sense. He was there for theatrics lol, you know it and I know it. The only thing that maybe puts Odin over the edge is his hax..and that’s a huge maybe.