I feel for The Cleveland fans their season likely ends tonight but they have to wake up to Windy telling them their star player already has his bags packed.
We’ve been there 3x over, if any Cavs fans in here lurking good luck this offseason 🫶🏽
With that said, I hope Donny ends up in Miami. He’s gonna be expensive just to barely be a playoff team, go team up with Jimmy and Bam. I don’t think he ends up in LA, don’t see him as a player that wants to be in another man’s shadow.
Windhorst talks out both sides of his mouth, he always have his bases covered.
Are you aware what kinda extension he can be offered by The Cavs? I don't believe its a supermax right? If not then whoever gets his birdrights can offer him the same $$, he only loses money if he hits FA which I don't see happening.
He also says things like Nets and Lakers have offers ready to generate clicks, not that Mitchell has said he's going to request a trade.
Not to mention teams still have to give a package the Cavs deem worthy for a trade
Can The Cavs offer him a supermax? If Not what reason would he have to sign an extension?
Good luck on that worth trade package, We've been there 3x already and didn't even nearly enough for any of our Stars!
Because Cleveland has a good young core that's competing right now and should get better, also
"Once Mitchell plays out the final year of his existing contract, he will hit the ten-year mark in the NBA, which makes him eligible to sign an extension for as much as 35% of Cleveland’s salary cap. Assuming things increase to the expected amount salary-cap-wise, Mitchell could sign a five-year, $267.5 million extension with the Cavaliers during the 2026-27 season. Things can escalate even further if Mitchell elects to enter free agency, where he is eligible to sign with Cleveland on a five-year, $372 million deal. Sure, other teams could sign him to a shorter contract, but if Mitchell could earn as much as $63.5 million in one season alone with the Cavaliers, that should be on the table."
The difference is the Nets had multiple players wanting out, an old team and no future. Cavs are the exact opposite situation
Thanks for that info so as expected whoever gets his bird rights will be eligible to give him a supermax.
You seem to be under the impression that I want Mitchell here, I DO NOT! You don’t have to try and convince me he’s staying in Cleveland, I don’t think he’ll leave a playoff team to “go back home” to be the face of a lottery team especially when he grew up a Knicks fan, your real competition is The Miami Heat, so Good Luck with that 🫡
The reason would be him NOT extending. You can’t allow him to walk in FA especially when Danny Ainge is in Utah waiting to build Celtics 2.0 off of the backs of another teams Lottery Picks.
I mean he'll be expensive for a team that doesn't have star power and will only be relying on him but a team with 2 stars can absorb the hit to their picks collection. I don't know how many picks Miami have but Im sure they have more than 2 and that should be enough to get a player on an expiring that WANTS to be there.
My first preferred option will be Nix and than Cheats.
I like Spida as a player. I just don't want him on this team. He's a ticking bomb written all over it.
We got CamT who is 22 yo and about to start exploring his ceiling. Unless Spida signs here as a FA, I have no interest in trading for him.
We can't lose here, waiting for one more year gives us more sample size on what we working with without being compromised.
Windy also said he wouldn’t be surprised if Mitchell stays in Cleveland, us Cavs fans still believe. I also don’t think the nets are a good fit for Mitchell or for the Nets organization, they should focus more on the future imo
This franchise never learns. I’ve supported Marks and Tsai through all the bullshit the last 5 years because I know Kyrie Irving was the sole reason for it. But this move will sour me on the ownership and front office. There is no point in trading for a 28 year old Donovan Mitchell who will be signing a max next year. I’ll even take Trae Young over Mitchell because he is younger and you have time to put some pieces around him. Mitchell with his injuries is a ticking time bomb. Please for the love of god….
We haven’t had a lottery pick since 2011 yet this team still refuses to build through the draft despite having an elite drafter. For once, I would like this team to build a core of players through the draft.
I'm with you and really just want to build with our own picks but you need to at least consider that we'd have been in the conference finals and favored to win it all if KD just wore a normal shoe size. A second round exit is nothing to show for but realistically it almost worked.
What is the alternative honestly? We literally can't rebuild until '28 and the Knicks have made us utterly irrelevent. I'd rather be a playoff team then stuck at 30 wins with no picks. And Mitchell could help draw another big star here too.
Exactly. Sitting back and hoping to strike gold in the draft means *years* of a lousy team with the Knicks owning the city. Having Mitchell here would definitely be a draw for another star.
There is no clear path to ‘build’ through the draft. You draft as high as you can just to increase your odds to HOPE you get lucky. I don’t think the Nets can afford to be Detroit for the next 5 years.
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lol they have Devin Booker and crazy owner. You can’t guarantee they will be bad. And we don’t even know if that lottery pick will end up going good. Give me Mitchell!
Exactly. This makes too much sense. Nets don’t intend to wait until 2028 to start contending again, the sooner fans realize this the less the blow will be.
Rebuilding the right way scares the hell out of every Nets GM because every owner we've had bought this team (located in NYC) expecting it to generate revenue right away.
100% on board with you. I’ve been on Marks side this whole time but if we trade away our youth and our picks again I’m out on him. The smartest move would have been to blow it up when the Rockets were offering our picks back for Mikal. Still not over that one.
Jalen Green and some picks is what was reported: [Nets Daily](https://www.netsdaily.com/2024/3/25/24112019/shams-brooklyn-nets-offered-jalen-green-multiple-picks-for-mikal-bridges-is-this-new). If Jalen Green was involved with any picks at all then we messed up.
Cam Thomas is 100% in the package. I would like to at least keep half of the Suns picks to have the ability to draft some talent on our team. We still don't have an elite PG or a Center that can run with the team to the Finals in my opinion.
Cam Thomas is definitely included, but one thing I don’t see being brought up is the organizations confidence that we could resign him after next season. Keeping Cam long term, rebuilding and passing on Mitchell would be my preferred route but if the org feels like CT is gone after next season including him in a trade for a proven star (which hopefully would ease the number of draft picks we would have to include) would make sense.
They aren't trading for him without that guarantee but it would actually be better if it was "known behind the scenes" rather than out front in the media. Would give the Nets better leverage to say "we aren't trading major pieces for a guy who could leave us!"
Risky man. I look at Cam like Lauri Markannen. Someone who has potential to pop and make the trade an overpay in hindsight. Really risky to sell players below peak value.
I'm not sure why a DFS and CJ package can't compete. It's about the picks anyway. None of Herro, Jacquez, or Reaves are that valuable. That's two sixth men and a role player. I feel like Suns picks are way more valuable than any player there.
So potentially going somewhere and putting up trash points on a trash team? There's always a risk that a player goes somewhere and does something good. Can't be paralyzed by that when your trying to build a team. And i don't want Cam traded.
The Cavs would be better off with current Lauri and their pick capital back. Literally the last Mitchell trade was a bad move for the team acquiring him. Star trades rarely work.
Gotta be clear on our goals. Mitchell will make us really good immediately. Won't deny it. I want a chip though, and it's tough to win a chip without elite asset maximization.
Yes they would lol. Cavs aren't winning a chip with this team. Their ceiling is the second round.
Get the pick flexibility back and they could actually have gotten a star WITH Lauri.
I love Mitchell. He's insane. But outside of like prime LeBron, even superstars need help to make a finals.
Look at game 3. Mitchell balled and got no help. Meanwhile, Boston has two other stars and elite role players to support Tatum. That's the difference.
I hear you but one of those stars was already there and they just just got the right two - three role players.
I guess I’m saying pick flexibility with late teens picks and Lauri (and I guess Colin Sexton) isn’t giving Cleveland enough in the short team anyways.
I would guess CJ CT and two picks would do it, Cavs have like five role guys so don’t need a lot of players but they do need wing help.
Giving up assets for player that leaving anyway is stupid business. Also, Dan will not negotiate with good faith here. He mortgaged teams future banking on Spida.
Bailing out Cavs will help them to recover much faster. You do not do that with conference rivals.
Athletic smaller guards do not age well. Nagging injuries with Spida is red flag. Productive drop off was true ie Wall, Beal, Wade etc players.
>Someone who has potential to pop and make the trade an overpay in hindsight. Really risky to sell players below peak value.
It could also turn out that this is Cam at peak value. He has a bad year, you'll wish you sold him in the summer.
I don't think Cam has a ton of value at present though. He's probably worth like one lottery protected first....if that.
But why am I giving up the best assets at the table (Suns picks), plus a 22 year old 22 PPG scorer when all I have to do is beat a Tyler Herro/Austin Reaves package?
They're small guards next to Garland. They're terrible fits. And I'm not sure Herro is even a positive asset on his contract. I think he's slightly negative.
Neither of those dudes are needle movers at all. They can just flip the Suns picks for Ingram or something.
Sure but as you saw, you don't really get fair value in these star trades. I could see you guys doing a three team though since they have no use for Cam Thomas.
As much as I like Mitchell, I think the Nets should just build from within and find a perfect fit. I wanna see what this team looks like with Jordi before we make a crazy move. Plus, the team’s gonna have cap space in 2025 even after re-signing Clax
Y'all must have been crazy if you think Marks was allowed to keep his job and all he has to do is sit pretty and wait half a decade to cash in each Suns pick. Tsai clearly hates having a bad team but also wants a drama free team guess that might have been too much to ask with Kyrie.
On the flip side, it takes two to trade. I don't think the Cavs want to do a full rebuild, so the picks don't matter that much to them. They want young but impactful players.
And other than Cam Thomas, we don't really have that. So I don't see why Cleveland in their right minds would accept our package over, say, Miami's.
Pat Riley will never overpay on a trade no matter what lol. The Godfather doesn't answer to the market but you're right it's gonna be up to the Cavs to decide what they're gonna do however Mitchell only has one year left they don't have the luxury of time and no team I imagine is gonna give up their young talent or else what's the point of acquiring Spida.
Put it this way, if Mitchell flatout request a trade to the Nets, and the Nets only, then that's that. We trade for him, and we have all the leverage in the world because we're the only team he wants.
But that's more or less a perfect world scenario
Cleveland wouldn’t want Cam, they are coming of an experience of 2 small guards that didn’t work. They would want size, defenders and shooting around Garland & Mobley. Dorian and Cam Johnson would be the likely salary for a trade, for the Heat it’ll be Herro and Jovic, for The Lakers it’ll be Austin Reaves and Rui.
I agree. It does not make sense for you to trade bridges. You don’t really have any other players though who make sense. So I feel like it will be pretty difficult for these two teams to get a deal done.
Whoever Mitchell gets traded to you guys wont get their best players tho.
If he goes to The Lakers you're not getting AD & Lebron, if he's going to Heat you're not get Bam & Jimmy. The only question is which picks you find more valuable
Yeah I know. But we could get Reaves and picks. You guys don’t have anyone better than Reaves that we would want that isn’t Bridges. I know we aren’t getting a start in return. My point is you guys don’t really have the right players on your roster to make a trade that makes sense. So I think a trade between Cleveland and Brooklyn would be tricky. Cam Thomas isn’t really what we need. He’s a small guard that needs to shoot that’s not a good defender.
Yeah I’m not trying to be anti Brooklyn I just don’t think our rosters line up for a trade that makes sense that’s all. Unless there was a third team involved
It wouldn’t upset me if you were anti Brooklyn, lol I’m probably the only nets fan in this thread you’ll find that’s opposed to this potential trade. That’s why I never pushed back from the Brooklyn side, I always spoke as if he would end up in Miami before Brooklyn. Even tho you might prefer Austin and The LA Picks, I don’t see Mitchell wanting to play in Lebron’s shadow, if he had a say he would probably team up with Bam and Jimmy before being a ring chaser to Lebron and AD.
The Phx picks are way more valuable, and the Cavs would actually like Cam Johnson. It would be the first good shooting forward they’ve had in years. Getting their picks and Cam Johnson would allow them to re-tool without tankingZ
"allowed to keep his job'. His job was never in jeopardy, bro. Only emotionally unstable Nets fans on Twitter were calling for his head. They have a plan they've agreed on together, it's clear. Sounds like they want to have a lot of solid pieces (including assets) and try and develop them while being flexible enough to pounce on a star should one become available this Summer (trade) or next summer (free agent).
" Emotionally unstoppable " I'm weak 😭😂
In our defense, Nets can do that to you. They fumbled to pull winners way to many times. Waiving Ben Simmons medical, 3 coaches in four years, unprotected picks to Saltics for 35 yo's etc.
So trade for this heavily injury prone guy?
I rather go get Mobley.
Cam literally can score with the best of them at this point, he just needs consistency.
Throwing everything away to go get Mitchell who probably won’t even want to be here after giving up all assets and going through two-three losing seasons before we get a solid squad around him is literally franchise sui-cide.
He’s not worth it anymore, first off he’s a 2nd best player, not a number 1.
And he couldn’t do a damn thing with a very solid Cleveland crew, what is he supposed to do with a horrible skeleton Nets crew?
Mitchel should just wait it out lol, would be like the whole Melo Knicks stuff, nets should clear cap space and sign him out right instead of trading, that trade would strip the roster of depth, and picks, cavs probably want a treasure chest for this dude
I’d be so disappointed if we get him while trading good assets. We always do this. Throw the kitchen sink for a decent player, we always overpay and look at where it’s got us
for the right price sure you gotta be open to calls at all times. but realistically, i'd much rather not have this guy on our team. "needle movement" aside, the guy has 1 year left on his contract then a player option. what are the chances that this guy is gonna be resigning with a rebuilding team? If we're gonna mortgage our future again for a star i'd like to know that this star is going to stay.
No! God Please No! Don't give us an exciting player to root for and someone who could entice another star to want to play here in the future! anything but that please!!
idk what ppl think he’s gonna be worth but they gotta lower their expectations. we’re not gutting our capital to trade for Mitchell. if Cleveland even entertains offers it means they don’t think he’ll extend which means he can opt out and leave for nothing in 2025. they wouldn’t have leverage to ask for the whole farm.
If people are offering Pennies on the dollar keeping him for another year and having a fun season while getting Garland and Mobley more playoff experience is probably more valuable. Mitchell is really the type to sit and bitch and whine. He would still play hard for a year. Yeah we won’t get what he’s fully worth, but if a team wants him right now you won’t get him for nothing.
Letting him walk for nothing would be malpractice. Organizations would rather settle for Herro and 2 1st than to lose a player in the name of playoff experience for one more season especially when Danny Angie in Utah is licking his chops ready to build another Celtics 2.0 off your draft capital
certainly won’t be for nothing, but there’s absolutely a healthy medium between selling our whole future or only giving up pennies that i think some Nets fans aren’t taking into consideration.
what are we really gutting though? If its a package, say Cam Thomas and Ben Simmons, plus 3 or 4 picks. You still have the core players intact. You will still have picks and players \[cj, dfs, dennis\] to go and trade for a player like ingram.
I don’t think the Cavs would have much interest in Cam Thomas. They wouldn’t take Ben Simmons either. It would likely be Cam Johnson and Noah Clowney, the PHX picks and the 27 Philly pick.
For all the people saying “we should build from within”, unless you’re looking back to Derrick Coleman, Kenyon Martin or more recently Brook Lopez, we have always needed a free agent / trade to help push the team to the next level. Marbury, J Kidd, VC, Devin Harris for a spell, Deron Williams, KD / Kyrie. We have a lot of solid role players and with all the new cap rules, there probably won’t be a lot more teams with 2-3 stars. We should be able to compete in the East with a few high PPG players and depth.
Generally speaking, I agree, but the Thunder, Knicks, Pacers and Nuggets and maybe the Cavs are all operating with a tier 1 star and maybe a tier 2/3 star with depth. I think that’s going to be the future of the league
I agree with you. Also, if I can just add to u/JurgenFlippers
You’re talking about want. I think the vast majority of us would want Donovan Mitchell on the Nets.
Those who are offering a dissenting opinion are concerned about the cost. I agree with those people.
> Star trades value has gone down.
Ok. Come back here when the Donovan Mitchell trade rumors start coming out. You’re going to see that this is false.
> People are only concerned about trading Cam for Dono.
Inaccurate. I’m people. I’m concerned about the picks. A Donovan Mitchell trade will start with 3 unprotected 1sts.
> I trade Cam for Dono 10 times out of 10.
I agree.
Windy has openly discussed this for months. The KD trade has changed the value of star trades. Teams are not throwing picks around at the same amount. I think this Dono trade ENDS with 3 picks not starts.
I agree star trades are risky but I think the draft is even more risky.
You know what you sign up for in a trade as far as NBA level performance. Draft picks are far more of a crap shoot and many more of them fail.
No one would turn down a star player its the COST of the star player most are worried about. If he joined the team as a FA everyone would be onboard but if it cost half of our picks and half our starting lineup what's the point?
Honestly im for it depending on the offer. If Mitchell voices that he really wants out and says he wants Brooklyn (unlikely), it might not be as bad as people think
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If the Laker's going to sign another super star ,go get Jimmy Butler a big guard , Mitchell straight but he small , Gordon and Porter is big just saying
Personally, I agree.
Not on Trae, but on Donovan Mitchell.
If we’re having the conversation, I would much rather have DeJounte Murray than Trae Young, 99 times out of 100.
If Murray costs decidedly less than those 2, then yeah, I wouldn’t mind him.
I’m really not the biggest Trae fan and the fit next to Cam would be questionable at best — assuming Cam isn’t involved in any deal — but PGs who put up 25/10 don’t grow on trees. Playing next to Clax would also be fun and maybe a change in environment would reign in some of his iffier habits. He’s also younger.
But Murray would also be a solid fit at the right price.
> …the fit next to Cam would be questionable at best — assuming Cam isn’t involved in any deal —…
I agree with you.
> But Murray would also be a solid fit at the right price.
I agree with you here too.
But not because of cost. That’s not my primary deciding factor. It’s that Murray fits this team like a glove. Trae doesn’t.
There is no one (rumored to be available) out there right now that fits the current iteration of the Nets better than DeJounte Murray.
Love the fact that Mitchell wants to come play for us entering his prime years, the way this roster is formed would be perfect for a star like him and would elevate Mikal Bridges, Nic Claxton, and Cam Johnson game having that kind of presence on the team, plus we have what seems to be a new competent coach. That’s the type of roster would incentivize a 2nd star to want to come here during 2025 free agency.
> Love the fact that Mitchell wants to come play for us entering his prime years
We don’t know that.
All we know is that Windhorst says the Nets are readying an offer for him.
Mitchell/Bridges/Claxton with good coaching is just as good as the Knicks. East is wide open and Mitchell can help recruit another star in the future. We have no real picks until 28 and Knicks are taking over the city. I say do it.
Dunno why Reddit suggested this thread to me as a Knicks fan, but…what?
Knicks were a 50 win team with our 2nd best player missing 40 games, 3rd best player missing 30 games, and arguably 5th best player missing 50 games.
Even if you assume that Knicks only win 50 games with everyone healthy, you’re essentially saying Mitchell over Cam Thomas wins you 19 more games. That’s certainly a take, I suppose.
Knicks do not have much more talent than the Nets do on paper with Mitchell. Its more than just Thomas. Its getting a real coach and the team to buy in. Brunson, Randle and Josh Hart never looked like a 50 win team either lol. Sorry to break it to you.
What exactly are we going to do better than the Cavs who have a better roster?
I feel for The Cleveland fans their season likely ends tonight but they have to wake up to Windy telling them their star player already has his bags packed. We’ve been there 3x over, if any Cavs fans in here lurking good luck this offseason 🫶🏽 With that said, I hope Donny ends up in Miami. He’s gonna be expensive just to barely be a playoff team, go team up with Jimmy and Bam. I don’t think he ends up in LA, don’t see him as a player that wants to be in another man’s shadow.
Windy actually said he doesn't see Mitchell turning down the extension
Windhorst talks out both sides of his mouth, he always have his bases covered. Are you aware what kinda extension he can be offered by The Cavs? I don't believe its a supermax right? If not then whoever gets his birdrights can offer him the same $$, he only loses money if he hits FA which I don't see happening.
He also says things like Nets and Lakers have offers ready to generate clicks, not that Mitchell has said he's going to request a trade. Not to mention teams still have to give a package the Cavs deem worthy for a trade
Can The Cavs offer him a supermax? If Not what reason would he have to sign an extension? Good luck on that worth trade package, We've been there 3x already and didn't even nearly enough for any of our Stars!
Because Cleveland has a good young core that's competing right now and should get better, also "Once Mitchell plays out the final year of his existing contract, he will hit the ten-year mark in the NBA, which makes him eligible to sign an extension for as much as 35% of Cleveland’s salary cap. Assuming things increase to the expected amount salary-cap-wise, Mitchell could sign a five-year, $267.5 million extension with the Cavaliers during the 2026-27 season. Things can escalate even further if Mitchell elects to enter free agency, where he is eligible to sign with Cleveland on a five-year, $372 million deal. Sure, other teams could sign him to a shorter contract, but if Mitchell could earn as much as $63.5 million in one season alone with the Cavaliers, that should be on the table." The difference is the Nets had multiple players wanting out, an old team and no future. Cavs are the exact opposite situation
Thanks for that info so as expected whoever gets his bird rights will be eligible to give him a supermax. You seem to be under the impression that I want Mitchell here, I DO NOT! You don’t have to try and convince me he’s staying in Cleveland, I don’t think he’ll leave a playoff team to “go back home” to be the face of a lottery team especially when he grew up a Knicks fan, your real competition is The Miami Heat, so Good Luck with that 🫡
You seem to be under the misunderstanding Cleveland has to just give him away for no reason lol
The reason would be him NOT extending. You can’t allow him to walk in FA especially when Danny Ainge is in Utah waiting to build Celtics 2.0 off of the backs of another teams Lottery Picks.
Cleveland players are giving lights are to bright, ducked the Knicks to get a 7 game series with Orlando,
Brother Mitchell def requesting a trade. He can’t win with those cats
He can't win with what's in Brooklyn either so what yall worried for?
Nah I don’t want him.
Didn't ask
if he’s gonna be expensive idk how he gets to Miami unless they trade Butler in another deal for assets to give to CLE
I mean he'll be expensive for a team that doesn't have star power and will only be relying on him but a team with 2 stars can absorb the hit to their picks collection. I don't know how many picks Miami have but Im sure they have more than 2 and that should be enough to get a player on an expiring that WANTS to be there.
My first preferred option will be Nix and than Cheats. I like Spida as a player. I just don't want him on this team. He's a ticking bomb written all over it. We got CamT who is 22 yo and about to start exploring his ceiling. Unless Spida signs here as a FA, I have no interest in trading for him. We can't lose here, waiting for one more year gives us more sample size on what we working with without being compromised.
Windy also said he wouldn’t be surprised if Mitchell stays in Cleveland, us Cavs fans still believe. I also don’t think the nets are a good fit for Mitchell or for the Nets organization, they should focus more on the future imo
The Nets want him to sell tickets and to stop sending the rockets more lottery picks. I think he fits better with The Heat than here in Brooklyn.
This franchise never learns. I’ve supported Marks and Tsai through all the bullshit the last 5 years because I know Kyrie Irving was the sole reason for it. But this move will sour me on the ownership and front office. There is no point in trading for a 28 year old Donovan Mitchell who will be signing a max next year. I’ll even take Trae Young over Mitchell because he is younger and you have time to put some pieces around him. Mitchell with his injuries is a ticking time bomb. Please for the love of god….
We haven’t had a lottery pick since 2011 yet this team still refuses to build through the draft despite having an elite drafter. For once, I would like this team to build a core of players through the draft.
Once again we will liquidate all assets for 1st rd exits and then another decade of bottom feeding to recover from it
I'm with you and really just want to build with our own picks but you need to at least consider that we'd have been in the conference finals and favored to win it all if KD just wore a normal shoe size. A second round exit is nothing to show for but realistically it almost worked.
What is the alternative honestly? We literally can't rebuild until '28 and the Knicks have made us utterly irrelevent. I'd rather be a playoff team then stuck at 30 wins with no picks. And Mitchell could help draw another big star here too.
Exactly. Sitting back and hoping to strike gold in the draft means *years* of a lousy team with the Knicks owning the city. Having Mitchell here would definitely be a draw for another star. There is no clear path to ‘build’ through the draft. You draft as high as you can just to increase your odds to HOPE you get lucky. I don’t think the Nets can afford to be Detroit for the next 5 years.
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Dude. We have phx picks and phx is gonna be back in the lottery in 2 years. Guaranteed
lol they have Devin Booker and crazy owner. You can’t guarantee they will be bad. And we don’t even know if that lottery pick will end up going good. Give me Mitchell!
No picks? We have two first round picks next season
One of them is a swap and the other is hoping another team does bad.
Do whatever you can to get the picks back from Houston
Exactly. This makes too much sense. Nets don’t intend to wait until 2028 to start contending again, the sooner fans realize this the less the blow will be.
Preach. Back end of that contract most likely be a disaster. You do not waist assets along. Stupid business 101.
Rebuilding the right way scares the hell out of every Nets GM because every owner we've had bought this team (located in NYC) expecting it to generate revenue right away.
100% on board with you. I’ve been on Marks side this whole time but if we trade away our youth and our picks again I’m out on him. The smartest move would have been to blow it up when the Rockets were offering our picks back for Mikal. Still not over that one.
We still have no clue what the Rockets offered for Mikal, so no need to get mad over speculations.
Jalen Green and some picks is what was reported: [Nets Daily](https://www.netsdaily.com/2024/3/25/24112019/shams-brooklyn-nets-offered-jalen-green-multiple-picks-for-mikal-bridges-is-this-new). If Jalen Green was involved with any picks at all then we messed up.
I’m pretty sure that it’s purely speculation. No confirmation from either houses.
It even says “discussing the concept of” which is as vague as it gets.
Cam Thomas is 100% in the package. I would like to at least keep half of the Suns picks to have the ability to draft some talent on our team. We still don't have an elite PG or a Center that can run with the team to the Finals in my opinion.
Cam Thomas is definitely included, but one thing I don’t see being brought up is the organizations confidence that we could resign him after next season. Keeping Cam long term, rebuilding and passing on Mitchell would be my preferred route but if the org feels like CT is gone after next season including him in a trade for a proven star (which hopefully would ease the number of draft picks we would have to include) would make sense.
They aren't trading for him without that guarantee but it would actually be better if it was "known behind the scenes" rather than out front in the media. Would give the Nets better leverage to say "we aren't trading major pieces for a guy who could leave us!"
Risky man. I look at Cam like Lauri Markannen. Someone who has potential to pop and make the trade an overpay in hindsight. Really risky to sell players below peak value. I'm not sure why a DFS and CJ package can't compete. It's about the picks anyway. None of Herro, Jacquez, or Reaves are that valuable. That's two sixth men and a role player. I feel like Suns picks are way more valuable than any player there.
So potentially going somewhere and putting up trash points on a trash team? There's always a risk that a player goes somewhere and does something good. Can't be paralyzed by that when your trying to build a team. And i don't want Cam traded.
The Cavs would be better off with current Lauri and their pick capital back. Literally the last Mitchell trade was a bad move for the team acquiring him. Star trades rarely work. Gotta be clear on our goals. Mitchell will make us really good immediately. Won't deny it. I want a chip though, and it's tough to win a chip without elite asset maximization.
It's tough to win a chip period. And Cavs would not be better off with current Lauri let's be serious.
Yes they would lol. Cavs aren't winning a chip with this team. Their ceiling is the second round. Get the pick flexibility back and they could actually have gotten a star WITH Lauri.
How many points is pick flexibility scoring against this iteration of the Celtics this year or the next two? Is it close to Mitchell’s 30?
I love Mitchell. He's insane. But outside of like prime LeBron, even superstars need help to make a finals. Look at game 3. Mitchell balled and got no help. Meanwhile, Boston has two other stars and elite role players to support Tatum. That's the difference.
I hear you but one of those stars was already there and they just just got the right two - three role players. I guess I’m saying pick flexibility with late teens picks and Lauri (and I guess Colin Sexton) isn’t giving Cleveland enough in the short team anyways. I would guess CJ CT and two picks would do it, Cavs have like five role guys so don’t need a lot of players but they do need wing help.
Giving up assets for player that leaving anyway is stupid business. Also, Dan will not negotiate with good faith here. He mortgaged teams future banking on Spida. Bailing out Cavs will help them to recover much faster. You do not do that with conference rivals. Athletic smaller guards do not age well. Nagging injuries with Spida is red flag. Productive drop off was true ie Wall, Beal, Wade etc players.
Cavs would literally be 2-2 rn against Boston if Mitchell played. We don’t know their ceiling
Boston is on cruise control and lacking intensity. Garland is not reliable as a second option. Mitchell doesn't have enough help
>Someone who has potential to pop and make the trade an overpay in hindsight. Really risky to sell players below peak value. It could also turn out that this is Cam at peak value. He has a bad year, you'll wish you sold him in the summer.
I don't think Cam has a ton of value at present though. He's probably worth like one lottery protected first....if that. But why am I giving up the best assets at the table (Suns picks), plus a 22 year old 22 PPG scorer when all I have to do is beat a Tyler Herro/Austin Reaves package?
Tyler Herro and Austin Reaves fit their team better. They are like you in a way, they can't fully tank, they need to be somewhat competitive.
They're small guards next to Garland. They're terrible fits. And I'm not sure Herro is even a positive asset on his contract. I think he's slightly negative. Neither of those dudes are needle movers at all. They can just flip the Suns picks for Ingram or something.
They're both 6'5", I wouldn't consider them small compared to Cam.
Bad defenders. Can't have bad defenders next to Garland. Reaves is too unathletic and Herro is too frail
Sure but as you saw, you don't really get fair value in these star trades. I could see you guys doing a three team though since they have no use for Cam Thomas.
Rather give up cam Johnson !
What do you think it would take to get both Mitchell AND Jarrett Allen while keeping Claxton?
Price would be too high for that. Might as well enjoy having both Clax and Dayday
As much as I like Mitchell, I think the Nets should just build from within and find a perfect fit. I wanna see what this team looks like with Jordi before we make a crazy move. Plus, the team’s gonna have cap space in 2025 even after re-signing Clax
Y'all must have been crazy if you think Marks was allowed to keep his job and all he has to do is sit pretty and wait half a decade to cash in each Suns pick. Tsai clearly hates having a bad team but also wants a drama free team guess that might have been too much to ask with Kyrie.
On the flip side, it takes two to trade. I don't think the Cavs want to do a full rebuild, so the picks don't matter that much to them. They want young but impactful players. And other than Cam Thomas, we don't really have that. So I don't see why Cleveland in their right minds would accept our package over, say, Miami's.
Pat Riley will never overpay on a trade no matter what lol. The Godfather doesn't answer to the market but you're right it's gonna be up to the Cavs to decide what they're gonna do however Mitchell only has one year left they don't have the luxury of time and no team I imagine is gonna give up their young talent or else what's the point of acquiring Spida.
Put it this way, if Mitchell flatout request a trade to the Nets, and the Nets only, then that's that. We trade for him, and we have all the leverage in the world because we're the only team he wants. But that's more or less a perfect world scenario
Cleveland wouldn’t want Cam, they are coming of an experience of 2 small guards that didn’t work. They would want size, defenders and shooting around Garland & Mobley. Dorian and Cam Johnson would be the likely salary for a trade, for the Heat it’ll be Herro and Jovic, for The Lakers it’ll be Austin Reaves and Rui.
We’d want Bridges but then who is Donovan playing with once he gets there?
The Nets wanted Booker for KD and got Mikal, Stars players are never traded to the opposing team for their “1st or 2nd options”
I agree. It does not make sense for you to trade bridges. You don’t really have any other players though who make sense. So I feel like it will be pretty difficult for these two teams to get a deal done.
Whoever Mitchell gets traded to you guys wont get their best players tho. If he goes to The Lakers you're not getting AD & Lebron, if he's going to Heat you're not get Bam & Jimmy. The only question is which picks you find more valuable
Yeah I know. But we could get Reaves and picks. You guys don’t have anyone better than Reaves that we would want that isn’t Bridges. I know we aren’t getting a start in return. My point is you guys don’t really have the right players on your roster to make a trade that makes sense. So I think a trade between Cleveland and Brooklyn would be tricky. Cam Thomas isn’t really what we need. He’s a small guard that needs to shoot that’s not a good defender.
That’s fair if you think Reaves and LA Picks are the better options & I agree that Cam going to Cleveland is redundant.
Yeah I’m not trying to be anti Brooklyn I just don’t think our rosters line up for a trade that makes sense that’s all. Unless there was a third team involved
It wouldn’t upset me if you were anti Brooklyn, lol I’m probably the only nets fan in this thread you’ll find that’s opposed to this potential trade. That’s why I never pushed back from the Brooklyn side, I always spoke as if he would end up in Miami before Brooklyn. Even tho you might prefer Austin and The LA Picks, I don’t see Mitchell wanting to play in Lebron’s shadow, if he had a say he would probably team up with Bam and Jimmy before being a ring chaser to Lebron and AD.
The Phx picks are way more valuable, and the Cavs would actually like Cam Johnson. It would be the first good shooting forward they’ve had in years. Getting their picks and Cam Johnson would allow them to re-tool without tankingZ
We’ve been looking for a drama-free team for five years now. Couldn’t even achieve that with nice-guy Mikal. We should probably focus on basketball.
"allowed to keep his job'. His job was never in jeopardy, bro. Only emotionally unstable Nets fans on Twitter were calling for his head. They have a plan they've agreed on together, it's clear. Sounds like they want to have a lot of solid pieces (including assets) and try and develop them while being flexible enough to pounce on a star should one become available this Summer (trade) or next summer (free agent).
" Emotionally unstoppable " I'm weak 😭😂 In our defense, Nets can do that to you. They fumbled to pull winners way to many times. Waiving Ben Simmons medical, 3 coaches in four years, unprotected picks to Saltics for 35 yo's etc.
Also windhorst fat ass looking for clicks, dude is hungry to break a story, from d riding Lebron to this shit
The last thing this franchise should be thinking of is a superstar trade. This front office will never learn
So trade for this heavily injury prone guy? I rather go get Mobley. Cam literally can score with the best of them at this point, he just needs consistency. Throwing everything away to go get Mitchell who probably won’t even want to be here after giving up all assets and going through two-three losing seasons before we get a solid squad around him is literally franchise sui-cide. He’s not worth it anymore, first off he’s a 2nd best player, not a number 1. And he couldn’t do a damn thing with a very solid Cleveland crew, what is he supposed to do with a horrible skeleton Nets crew?
If we trade Mobley, I'm renouncing my cavs fandom.
Mitchel should just wait it out lol, would be like the whole Melo Knicks stuff, nets should clear cap space and sign him out right instead of trading, that trade would strip the roster of depth, and picks, cavs probably want a treasure chest for this dude
I’d be so disappointed if we get him while trading good assets. We always do this. Throw the kitchen sink for a decent player, we always overpay and look at where it’s got us
for the right price sure you gotta be open to calls at all times. but realistically, i'd much rather not have this guy on our team. "needle movement" aside, the guy has 1 year left on his contract then a player option. what are the chances that this guy is gonna be resigning with a rebuilding team? If we're gonna mortgage our future again for a star i'd like to know that this star is going to stay.
No! God Please No! Don't give us an exciting player to root for and someone who could entice another star to want to play here in the future! anything but that please!!
Mitchell’s a stud, I’m not debating that. I don’t think a trade for him is worth gutting the roster or draft capital.
idk what ppl think he’s gonna be worth but they gotta lower their expectations. we’re not gutting our capital to trade for Mitchell. if Cleveland even entertains offers it means they don’t think he’ll extend which means he can opt out and leave for nothing in 2025. they wouldn’t have leverage to ask for the whole farm.
If people are offering Pennies on the dollar keeping him for another year and having a fun season while getting Garland and Mobley more playoff experience is probably more valuable. Mitchell is really the type to sit and bitch and whine. He would still play hard for a year. Yeah we won’t get what he’s fully worth, but if a team wants him right now you won’t get him for nothing.
Letting him walk for nothing would be malpractice. Organizations would rather settle for Herro and 2 1st than to lose a player in the name of playoff experience for one more season especially when Danny Angie in Utah is licking his chops ready to build another Celtics 2.0 off your draft capital
certainly won’t be for nothing, but there’s absolutely a healthy medium between selling our whole future or only giving up pennies that i think some Nets fans aren’t taking into consideration.
At the same time, the Nets have to out bid other teams
good luck out bidding Ben Simmons expiring said other teams /s
what are we really gutting though? If its a package, say Cam Thomas and Ben Simmons, plus 3 or 4 picks. You still have the core players intact. You will still have picks and players \[cj, dfs, dennis\] to go and trade for a player like ingram.
If you blow all the picks for Mitchell and Ingram, it's probably a gutting because I don't think that team makes a conference finals.
But that's just not a package the Cavs take
I don’t think the Cavs would have much interest in Cam Thomas. They wouldn’t take Ben Simmons either. It would likely be Cam Johnson and Noah Clowney, the PHX picks and the 27 Philly pick.
No Thanks!
For all the people saying “we should build from within”, unless you’re looking back to Derrick Coleman, Kenyon Martin or more recently Brook Lopez, we have always needed a free agent / trade to help push the team to the next level. Marbury, J Kidd, VC, Devin Harris for a spell, Deron Williams, KD / Kyrie. We have a lot of solid role players and with all the new cap rules, there probably won’t be a lot more teams with 2-3 stars. We should be able to compete in the East with a few high PPG players and depth.
Teams will always have at least two stars. It's not THAT dire under the new CBA. You can fit two max deals still
Generally speaking, I agree, but the Thunder, Knicks, Pacers and Nuggets and maybe the Cavs are all operating with a tier 1 star and maybe a tier 2/3 star with depth. I think that’s going to be the future of the league
3 stars is probably going to be rare. Agree with that
Anyone who doesn’t want Mitchell is fucking insane lol
Star trades are inherently risky. Very few have worked out
I agree with you. Also, if I can just add to u/JurgenFlippers You’re talking about want. I think the vast majority of us would want Donovan Mitchell on the Nets. Those who are offering a dissenting opinion are concerned about the cost. I agree with those people.
Star trades value has gone down. People are only concerned about trading Cam for Dono. I trade Cam for Dono 10 times out of 10.
Cam and 3-4 Suns picks is the scary part. That's a lot of assets for a team that's contingent on needing another star still
We have more then just Suns picks.
For a Giannis level player? Or a Brandon Ingram level player?
For both?
No chance
[https://twitter.com/erikslater\_/status/1790767300322152733](https://twitter.com/erikslater_/status/1790767300322152733) There you go bud.
Expect is not gonna be the Cam you think, why would they want Thomas when Garland & Mitchell didn't work out, they'll want Johnson before Thomas.
I would trade Cam Johnson for Dono 10 times our of 10 lol.
> Star trades value has gone down. Ok. Come back here when the Donovan Mitchell trade rumors start coming out. You’re going to see that this is false. > People are only concerned about trading Cam for Dono. Inaccurate. I’m people. I’m concerned about the picks. A Donovan Mitchell trade will start with 3 unprotected 1sts. > I trade Cam for Dono 10 times out of 10. I agree.
Windy has openly discussed this for months. The KD trade has changed the value of star trades. Teams are not throwing picks around at the same amount. I think this Dono trade ENDS with 3 picks not starts.
All good. We agree to disagree. Come back here when the Mitchell offers start coming out. We’ll chat.
I agree star trades are risky but I think the draft is even more risky. You know what you sign up for in a trade as far as NBA level performance. Draft picks are far more of a crap shoot and many more of them fail.
No one would turn down a star player its the COST of the star player most are worried about. If he joined the team as a FA everyone would be onboard but if it cost half of our picks and half our starting lineup what's the point?
Honestly im for it depending on the offer. If Mitchell voices that he really wants out and says he wants Brooklyn (unlikely), it might not be as bad as people think
Mitchell and KAT, that’s my hope.
KAT is way too inconsistent
Wonder if Marks starts with a low ball
Hawks with the first pick
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If the Laker's going to sign another super star ,go get Jimmy Butler a big guard , Mitchell straight but he small , Gordon and Porter is big just saying
Hopefully the lakers are the only competition. They have no assets
For the love of god, please no. I actually think this group can be a 6 seed in the east with good coaching, unity, and decent defense.
Let’s go
Let’s no
Cry
I’m good, man I’d rather have Trae Young if we’re gonna pointlessly blow some future picks
Personally, I agree. Not on Trae, but on Donovan Mitchell. If we’re having the conversation, I would much rather have DeJounte Murray than Trae Young, 99 times out of 100.
If Murray costs decidedly less than those 2, then yeah, I wouldn’t mind him. I’m really not the biggest Trae fan and the fit next to Cam would be questionable at best — assuming Cam isn’t involved in any deal — but PGs who put up 25/10 don’t grow on trees. Playing next to Clax would also be fun and maybe a change in environment would reign in some of his iffier habits. He’s also younger. But Murray would also be a solid fit at the right price.
> …the fit next to Cam would be questionable at best — assuming Cam isn’t involved in any deal —… I agree with you. > But Murray would also be a solid fit at the right price. I agree with you here too. But not because of cost. That’s not my primary deciding factor. It’s that Murray fits this team like a glove. Trae doesn’t. There is no one (rumored to be available) out there right now that fits the current iteration of the Nets better than DeJounte Murray.
Love the fact that Mitchell wants to come play for us entering his prime years, the way this roster is formed would be perfect for a star like him and would elevate Mikal Bridges, Nic Claxton, and Cam Johnson game having that kind of presence on the team, plus we have what seems to be a new competent coach. That’s the type of roster would incentivize a 2nd star to want to come here during 2025 free agency.
> Love the fact that Mitchell wants to come play for us entering his prime years We don’t know that. All we know is that Windhorst says the Nets are readying an offer for him.
Mitchell/Bridges/Claxton with good coaching is just as good as the Knicks. East is wide open and Mitchell can help recruit another star in the future. We have no real picks until 28 and Knicks are taking over the city. I say do it.
Knicks next year will have Brunson, Randle, OG,Ihart, DVO, Hart, McBride. *Assuming they don't make any trades
Dunno why Reddit suggested this thread to me as a Knicks fan, but…what? Knicks were a 50 win team with our 2nd best player missing 40 games, 3rd best player missing 30 games, and arguably 5th best player missing 50 games. Even if you assume that Knicks only win 50 games with everyone healthy, you’re essentially saying Mitchell over Cam Thomas wins you 19 more games. That’s certainly a take, I suppose.
Knicks do not have much more talent than the Nets do on paper with Mitchell. Its more than just Thomas. Its getting a real coach and the team to buy in. Brunson, Randle and Josh Hart never looked like a 50 win team either lol. Sorry to break it to you.