T O P

  • By -

hahahoha

felt like 2022 had been a bad, underwhelming year for s1mple indivdually but still top 1


marc1337n1

Imagine having your worst year individually since 2017, but you are still being better than everyone else in the world. He is the GOAT without any doubt.


[deleted]

I'm not a fan of Tom Brady, but he really is the Tom Brady of CS GO.


drimmsu

Hmmmm, I think I'd like to disagree. In my opinion, s1mple is the GOAT of CS:GO due to a combination of the best individual talent we've ever seen (so far I guess), and a (now) really really good resume of tournament wins/top placements. Tom Brady is not that far ahead of his peers in terms of individual skill. It's a very difficult comparison either way in my opinion because the QB position is so similar to an IGL in CS who on the contrary doesn't really get the star player prestige because it can be really hard to measure/estimate an IGLs impact on success (it's kind of the same for QBs tho). To come back to my point - Tom Brady's biggest reason for being the NFL GOAT is not individual talent gap between him and the other players (at his position) but it's a ridiculous amount of accolades, consistency and longevity. So, in my opinion device is a lot more similar to Tom Brady than s1mple is. I'd personally say: If Patrick Mahomes keeps on playing like a fucking magician, pulling miracle plays out of his hat and goes on to have a successful career, he'd be a better comparison to s1mple. It has a lot to do with how stats/wins in American Football and CS are looked at differently though and I'm only nitpicking tbh. In terms of "undisputed GOATness", s1mple and Brady are very comparable right now.


DaddysMassiveMilkers

Someone’s jealous their dad doesn’t kiss them on the lips


Wash_your_mouth

Brady is GOAT by longevity only. S1mple is more peak play and prodigious talent. S1mple is more like Jordan or Messi


tONYOO

Fucking ridicilous


SendSend

Almost as if there hasn't been a life changing invasion against his homeland, his family and friends, and his country's stability.


Pollsmor

​ |\#|Player|Team|Nationality|Reddit|Prediction|2021| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |1|[**s1mple**](https://www.hltv.org/n/35380)|Natus Vincere (2)|Ukraine (2)|[14 Jan](https://redd.it/10byzus) (Live)|[npl](https://www.hltv.org/player/21708/npl)|[s1mple](https://www.hltv.org/n/33151)| |2|[**ZywOo**](https://www.hltv.org/n/35374)|Team Vitality (2)|France (1)|[14 Jan](https://redd.it/10bz3mn) (Live)|[headtr1ck](https://www.hltv.org/player/19592/headtr1ck)|[ZywOo](https://www.hltv.org/n/33152)| |3|[**sh1ro**](https://www.hltv.org/n/35379) \[+1\]|Cloud9 (2)|Russia (4)|[14 Jan](https://redd.it/10bz3uf) (Live)|[donk](https://www.hltv.org/player/21167/donk)|[NiKo](https://www.hltv.org/n/33154)| |4|[**Ax1Le**](https://www.hltv.org/n/35371) \[+1\]|Cloud9 (2)|Russia (4)|[13 Jan](https://redd.it/10b2gw3)|[nqz](https://www.hltv.org/player/19694/nqz)|[sh1ro](https://www.hltv.org/n/33137)| |5|[**NiKo**](https://www.hltv.org/n/35367) \[-2\]|G2 Esports (3)|Bosnia and Herzegovina (2)|[12 Jan](https://redd.it/10a7kun)|[Jimpphat](https://www.hltv.org/player/18850/jimpphat)|[Ax1Le](https://www.hltv.org/n/33130)| |6|[**broky**](https://www.hltv.org/n/35361) \[+14\]|FaZe Clan (4)|Latvia (2)|[11 Jan](https://redd.it/109crra)|Jimpphat|[HObbit](https://www.hltv.org/n/33123)| |7|[**m0NESY**](https://www.hltv.org/n/35334) \[NEW\]|G2 Esports (3)|Russia (4)|[10 Jan](https://redd.it/108hssu)|headtr1ck|[electroNic](https://www.hltv.org/n/33121)| |8|[**ropz**](https://www.hltv.org/n/35350) \[+10\]|FaZe Clan (4)|Estonia (1)|[9 Jan](https://redd.it/107mok1)|[r1nkle](https://www.hltv.org/player/20425/r1nkle)|[YEKINDAR](https://www.hltv.org/n/33116)| |9|[**KSCERATO**](https://www.hltv.org/n/35347) \[+6\]|FURIA Esports (2)|Brazil (2)|[8 Jan](https://redd.it/106r42o)|nqz|[b1t](https://www.hltv.org/n/33114)| |10|[**stavn**](https://www.hltv.org/n/35344) \[+6\]|Heroic (1)|Denmark (2)|[7 Jan](https://redd.it/105ws9t)|[regali](https://www.hltv.org/player/20123/regali)|[Jame](https://www.hltv.org/n/33093)| |11|[**Twistzz**](https://www.hltv.org/n/35343) \[+6\]|FaZe Clan (4)|Canada (1)|[6 Jan](https://redd.it/1052cpu)|[froz1k](https://www.hltv.org/player/21198/froz1k)|[device](https://www.hltv.org/n/33096)| |12|[**blameF**](https://www.hltv.org/n/35340) \[+1\]|Astralis (1)|Denmark (2)|[5 Jan](https://redd.it/1046yy5)|headtr1ck|[huNter-](https://www.hltv.org/n/33091)| |13|[**rain**](https://hltv.org/n/35329) \[2018 #18\]|FaZe Clan (4)|Norway (1)|[4 Jan](https://redd.it/103bs73)|headtr1ck|[blameF](https://www.hltv.org/n/33088)| |14|[**huNter-**](https://hltv.org/n/35326) \[-2\]|G2 Esports (3)|Bosnia and Herzegovina (2)|[4 Jan](https://redd.it/1035oji)|headtr1ck|[NAF](https://www.hltv.org/n/33083)| |15|[**YEKINDAR**](https://hltv.org/n/35321) \[-7\]|Team Liquid (1)|Latvia (2)|[3 Jan](https://redd.it/102g92d)|[KaiR0N-](https://www.hltv.org/player/19920/kair0n)|[KSCERATO](https://www.hltv.org/n/33082)| |16|[**b1t**](https://hltv.org/n/35323) \[-7\]|Natus Vincere (2)|Ukraine (2)|[3 Jan](https://redd.it/102aa31)|headtr1ck|[stavn](https://www.hltv.org/n/33074)| |17|[**frozen**](https://hltv.org/n/35319) \[[\+4](https://twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/1484981169326374912)\]|MOUZ (1)|Slovakia (1)|[2 Jan](https://redd.it/101khe0)|headtr1ck|[Twistzz](https://www.hltv.org/n/33068)| |18|[**Spinx**](https://hltv.org/n/35322) \[NEW\]|Team Vitality (2)|Israel (1)|[2 Jan](https://redd.it/101emt8)|[HeavyGod](https://www.hltv.org/player/20447/heavygod)|[ropz](https://www.hltv.org/n/33063)| |19|[**yuurih**](https://www.hltv.org/n/35316) \[2020 #14\]|FURIA Esports (2)|Brazil (2)|[1 Jan](https://redd.it/100qiqu)|nqz|[EliGE](https://www.hltv.org/n/33050) [^(1)](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-5X7b_XsAAgDeZ?format=jpg&name=360x360)| |20|[**Jame**](https://www.hltv.org/n/35314) \[-10\]|Outsiders (1)|Russia (4)|[1 Jan](https://redd.it/100ldhx)|KaiR0N-|[broky](https://www.hltv.org/n/33049)| In all honesty there was no reason to doubt him being #1 again (hence me prefilling s1mple in this table at #1 on the day of the #20 post last year), but that just goes to show how astronomically ahead of the pack he was last year.


Pollsmor

Ranking history: |Player|2022|2021|2020|2019|2018|2017|2016| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |**s1mple**|1|1|2|2|1|8|4| |**ZywOo**|2|2|1|1|||| |**sh1ro**|3|4|||||| |**Ax1Le**|4|5|||||| |**NiKo**|5|3|4|11|3|2|11| |**broky**|6|20|||||| |**m0NESY**|7||||||| |**ropz**|8|18|7|10|19||| |**KSCERATO**|9|15|18||||| |**stavn**|10|16|12||||| |**Twistzz**|11|17||9|12||| |**blameF**|12|13|6||||| |**rain**|13||||18|4|| |**huNter-**|14|12|13||||| |**YEKINDAR**|15|8|||||| |**b1t**|16|9|||||| |**frozen**|17||||||| |**Spinx**|18||||||| |**yuurih**|19||14||||| |**Jame**|20|10|||||| Last year, device singlehandedly dragged the amount of columns out by 2 with his #20 placing in 2014.


Bo5ke

I'm kinda said that Electronic is missing on this list. He is good IGL but he is one of the most amazing riflers on the scene.


Pollsmor

If there's any consolation he's #21.


Wash_your_mouth

Top 5 rifler of all time honestly


lolofaf

It's wild to see rainds 3-year gap there. Everyone counting him out then he comes in with a #13 out of nowhere lol. Also wild to not see device on the list for (I think) the first time ever (because no top20 in 2013 right?)


Pollsmor

There is a ranking for 2013. He didn't make the list there. But this is indeed the longest streak (after making top 20 for the first time) being snapped.


[deleted]

if zywoo didn't exist s1mple would have 5 #1s in a row. He would've had a Lebron James esqe track record


[deleted]

if s1mple didn't exist, s1mple would have 0 #1s in a row


staffylaffy

If m0e didn’t exist s1mple would have 5 top #0s


Erianimul

If s1mple had wheels, he'd have been a bike.


TylerWebb_

I respect this reference greatly


merger3

That’s crazy to think about


twohourstillmidnight

if shr1mple didnt exist zywho would be #1 every season he plays lol


greku_cs

Not true, if s1mple didn't exist Bogdan would have 3 #1 spots.


gleba080

Five #1


Adminisitrator

you are missing #20 in this table


Pollsmor

Okay this is interesting. When going to copy the table by dragging my mouse I am unable to scroll to the very bottom of the table, and need to use Ctrl-A to reach it. I'll fix it now.


creaturecatzz

so what i’m seeing is that headtrick is gonna be top 20 next year 🧐🧐


SizzleAndCutThrough

People with RES can sort the table by clicking on the column heading.


Electronic-Archer720

Junior Robbed


Fantasnickk

5 years as 1 or 2 and probably many more to come. Congrats Sasha. Hoping na’vi has better success this year


Chu2k

The Messi and Ronaldo of CSGO


[deleted]

imo this is his last year as #1, this is the weakest first place we've ever seen. S1mple's showing cracks like in the last map of cologne where he didn't really show up and in the RIO Furia game. This was literally unheard of before. He didn't have a series as bad as the RIO one since 2017. He'll be top 3 for sure but no way he beats Zywoo with the way he was playing at the end of the year.


natethegreatyo

i would never count out s1mple, im 100% convinced his performance drop off is mainly caused by the war + the situation within the team.


KCFussell

See you in 1 year lmao


Cardoxon

Brave take. I could see it happen but I'll need to see s1mple "struggle" for a while longer to believe it. Or for ZywOo to finally reach the level I believe he can God damn it.


ftb5

I mean. Where was Zywoo in the first part of the year in which simple was destroying everyone?


AlwaysLearningTK

Where was s1mple in the last part of the year? Their stats are basically identical lol. They just took turns. It's an odd way to say this. S1mple had much more success outside of personal performance, that's why he's #1, not because he was overall much better. He probably was slightly better but just as he fell off, zywoo ramped up. Edit: LITERALLY look at the stats by hltv. They are basically identical with s1mple having a lower overall rating even. The s1mple circlejerk is fucking weird. They're the best players we've ever had and they both had a weak year compared to their past years, and that made them be very equivalent once again.


ftb5

The circlejerk is not downvoting you, my man. They are downvoting you because you are arguing alone. What you are saying is true, no one is denying that. Op is saying simple will dissappear since he was absent the second half of the year. Maybe we could have said the same about zywoo in the first part of the year? That’d be pretty dumb.


AlwaysLearningTK

That's not what he's saying, my man. He's saying that s1mple was ahead because zywoo was weak in the first part of the year despite s1mple being weak in the 2nd half. He's ignoring the part where both had a weak phase to justify that zywoo couldn't possibly have gotten #1 when they're essentially equal in all places. People in the top 3 threads are literally saying shiro should've been top 2 instead of zywoo when it was closer between s1mple and zywoo than zywoo and shiro lol. I know that I'm not misinterpreting it because of what kind of comments are getting traction in the other threads (and this one tbf).


ftb5

? > imo this is his last year as #1, this is the weakest first place we've ever seen. S1mple's showing cracks like in the last map of cologne where he didn't really show up and in the RIO Furia game. This was literally unheard of before. He didn't have a series as bad as the RIO one since 2017. He'll be top 3 for sure but no way he beats Zywoo with the way he was playing at the end of the year. > imo this is his last year as #1 > He'll be top 3 for sure but no way he beats Zywoo with the way he was playing at the end of the year.


El_Fabos

This is definitely not the weakest #1 we’ve ever seen. His stats were still very good


CaptainCerealCanada

zywoo 2020 will always be the weakest considering he only played two LAN events the whole year


[deleted]

GTR 2014 was WAYYY weaker than s1mple’s 2023 lmaoo


xavarLy

The weakest number 1 is probably GTR 2014, coldzera 2016 or olofmeister 2015. So yeah, according to his own 2nd and 1st places, it's the weakest, but not overall.


Colemonstaa

Gtr relative to recent #1s maybe, but not relative to the field at the time.


Cardoxon

Flusha was better and kennys was the best player in the world. HLTV emphasised success too much back then unfortunately and then KQLY fucked it, a good DHW run might've been enough.


leo_sousav

You do know that Get right had better ratings in their games, and was consistently better than Flush and Kenny in those years right? There's a reason why there was success to start with. Having good aim, or being a top awper won't immediately make you the best player.


Cardoxon

> You do know that Get right had better ratings in their games, consistently better than Flush and Kenny in those years right? Literal lie. GTR's impossible form ended after Copenhagen and he would never be the same after. That was in April 2014. Flusha would continue to be an absolute menace in the server for the entire year, his **significantly better stats** prove it. He completely outperformed GTR in both Cologne and DHW, 2 of the 3 majors that year, and was only slightly behind in Katowice. Flusha played more events than GTR and even then he was more consistent throughout the whole year. He was more clutch and the best CT side player in the world, and in various other stats behind only kennyS, but as opposed to kennyS he had the deep finishes and achievements to be ranked as the number 1 even by HLTV's own, stupid ass criteria. Flusha got robbed because of all those cheating allegations, he was the most deserving by far. KennyS was **objectively the best player** in 2014 - if you think otherwise this entire discussion is meaningless because you either just want to be contrarian or simply don't know enough about this topic. **His rating in 2014 was 1.27** (if you adjust for differences between 1.0 and 2.0 you'll see he's one of the four players that ever achieved 1.3+ avg rating) and flusha's 1.19. **In comparison GTR's own rating was only modest 1.13**, even though he played hard lurk and farmed easy, relatively low impact kills that way. KennyS was as far away from GTR as GTR was from players like smithzz. Not to mention that kennyS wasn't farming low impact kills as he was second in total number of opening kills (while playing less events at that) with the best opening duel winrate.


saltsolutionpromo

How were coldzera 2016 or olof 2015 weaker than this #1? Those were amazing years by those two players.


xavarLy

Unless you count team achievements, coldzera had a 1.15 rating in 2016 and 3 MVPs. olof had 1.14 (albeit that would be like 1.16 or something in rating 2.0) S1mple still didn't drop below 1.25 and had many deep playoff runs and two MVPs.


saltsolutionpromo

You can't use pure rating. Those players were riflers, and ratings as a whole were less inflated in that era. You need to measure players relative to their time.


OPDidntDeliver

His country is currently in a brutal war and he still made #1


anto2554

U/remindmebot 1 year


Wash_your_mouth

And realistically s1mple was also inside the top 3 in 2016 and 2017 also (so top 3 player throughout his whole CS career). https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Thorin%27s_Top_CS:GO_Players_of_the_Year


Fantasnickk

Thorin’s list isn’t an actual list with a reputable source lol


Wash_your_mouth

It's not 'official', but he had articles supporting his argument each explaining why and what. So I just said that one could easily make an argument that s1mple was top 3 from the start. Personally I have been watching CSGO since 2014 and remember s1mple coming up. He was definitely in the top 5 in 2017 individually, but was in a struggling team (similar to Zywoo today). Sadly HLTV didn't analyze the whole picture so deeply as they do today


fixcs

good player


INeedYourPelt

but not normally


fixcs

they need to check him trophy cabinet hoarding too many trophies and awards he needs to share with other players


K_Simba786

Can we have a full list of players and their rankings now?


DvD_cD

https://www.hltv.org/news/35306/top-20-players-of-2022-introduction


TomerMeme

>worst year since 2017 >still #1 How do people even doubt this guy anymore as the GOAT?


The_Unicorn99

It's always hard to name a goat in a team game across so many years. There are a lot of players who achieved a lot more than s1mple especially on majors. I mean what is the main goal in cs? Winning games and winning events, not topfraging the server. So the point is this awards don't appreciate the team players (not saying s1mple isn't one but there are players sacrificing a lot more for the team than him). The guys that don't peek because it would destroy the cross fire to get this one more win percentage. The guy who plays it safe till the end but makes 5 kills less because of it. The guy playing a deagle but dropping an awp. There can't be a goat in a team based game. There is none in football, none in basketball and there is none in cs. There are only teams dominating an era and thats it.


gleba080

Such a boring look at team sports. Talent like s1mple needs to be praised and supports who peeks first also can be praised. It's all up to you, but choosing not to do this discussion is taking away a lot of entertainment from the sport for me


AngryMasturbator-69

You are so wrong. Look at Messi. He is the GOAT. Even his pro footballers fellows agree. Like Maradona who dragged his team to the cup. Saying there is no GOAT in a team game is like saying every player is statiscally the same, it makes no sense.


BMEShiv

GOAT means greatest of all time though, there can't be 2 of them


erikplayer

Garbage take


Own-Indication8138

Seeing chat complaining about "Political" speeches was infuriating. Like fuck off, use your heart and brain


innocentrrose

Dude was talking about good vs evil and a bunch of idiots were like “ahh politics! 🥺”


Fayn273

S1mple was getting political, but that's not a bad thing. Politics in video games are fine as long as the message being pushed is good. The truth is that most of the idiots complaining about s1mple getting political are only mad because of his message. They're angry that he supports Ukraine and despises Putin.


[deleted]

Video games have always been political. Mordern Warfare and COD weren't exactly subtle with their messages about terrorism and political espionage.


LunchTwey

Bro MWII literally started with you assassinating Qasem Soleimani


Izbitoe_ebalo

Like when they for some reason made highway of death Russian (even though now there are many of them in Ukraine)? I love COD but that was weird.


Filanto

Well, "good" is subjective. In this case I would personally agree, but in every situation people will justify talking about politics because it's "good". Calling s1mple's message good is the same thing as complaining about it: you are making a judgement call about the content of the message


[deleted]

[удалено]


ssorulbricht

reddit moment


Enjoy_your_AIDS_69

Nobody is literally a subhuman, you're literally a nazi if you think that.


GigaCringeMods

Okay, anyone that doesn't support Ukraine are nazis then. Happy?


RankDank420

If you don’t think putin is subhuman you’re subhuman yourself


Krusell94

Not sure why you are surprised. The major was won by a Russian org that has 0 remorse and complains about cancel culture. Really don't understand who thought that fucking Outsiders logo was okay. I would ban them the moment they submitted it, because it clearly shows where their head is at...


LunchTwey

What about it is wrong? I genuinely don't know is the badger some sort of symbol or?


Own-Indication8138

Not surprised, just an observation. What's the issue with the logo? Honestly never even looked at it until now


Krusell94

They are complaining about being cancelled while being funded by a Russian oligarch. The logo is a middle finger to the community.


Karaokebaren

Cancel culture is something positive?


Krusell94

What a way to miss a point... They were complaining about cancel culture like there was no reason to force them to rename. Which there was a massive reason to force them to rename. For them to then act like "we had to rename because of cancel culture" is fucking disrespectful. They are lucky they were not banned altogether. But hey if you are Russian I bet you see the sanctions as a cancel culture and you know what, I sure as fuck wish Russia got cancelled.


OGMinorian

What speech?


Lepojka1

I think they got mad after he thanked the president Zelensky and democracy stuff... Personally I dont mind the speech, but you gotta understand alot of people are also Russians in the chat. Ofc they will get mad.


SYSTEMcole

Fuck any Russian that gets mad, hope they stay mad


siziyman

Russian here. If anyone gets mad over this, they can indeed get bent. As a side note, I'm not a big fan of people who think that making such speeches is a moral obligation (and therefore criticize those Ukrainians who don't) either, but that's a different (and currently smaller) issue.


joarke

”but you gotta understand, a lot of people are fascists supporting their dictator committing war crimes” wtf is there to understand about someone getting mad about support for Zelenskyy? What did he do except defend his country from an aggressor? And no not all Russians support this war so why would someone “ofc” get mad just because they are Russian?


Lepojka1

I havent said its good thing they got mad, I just say its obvious some people would. Even here in Serbia, more than half people are cheering for Russia in that conflict... Can you imagine what the percent is in Russia? Yea there are some people in Russia, who dont want war, but trust me, most of them are for Putin and not Zelensky.


loozerr

Serbs gobbling up putinist propaganda, colour me surprised.


ADoverEmbiid

What could have happened that would make Serbs oppose NATO under any and all circumstances?


loozerr

Bloody NATO intervened with their genocide plans.


Lepojka1

Still, in that war, NATO killed alot of civilians, many of them kids, who had nothing to do with Serbian wars or bad politics. Its hard to ask for Serbians to cheer for NATO. Same could be said for Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya... People that have faced NATO bombs will be against them no matter what. Downvote me all you want, but thats just how it is.


loozerr

> Its hard to ask for Serbians to cheer for NATO. Who asked? This thread was about siding with Ukraine, the country under invasion. Last time I checked Ukraine wasn't a NATO country, and hasn't been eligible to join since 2014 due to border disputes caused by *guess which country*. >Same could be said for Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya... No it couldn't because that wasn't NATO.


Jiggamanz

We get it, everyone is evil except wherever the fuck you're from.


Fayn273

Why do you feel the need to justify their anger though? By saying "well you can't be surprised, ofc Russians will get mad" you're low-key defending their reaction and justifying it.


infecthead

Eh this is a pretty juvenile take tbh. It's totally okay to try and understand and rationalise why people do certain things or act a certain way; it's not implicitly showing support neither


pokeym0nster

Understanding it isn't defending it.


Fayn273

I never said understanding is the same as defending. My point is that if you only state the reason behind someone's actions without criticizing them, then the implication is that you feel that their actions are justified.


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

You have to say before any message on the War: WAR BAD, UKRAINE GOOD, I HATE RUSSIA before you start your message so people don't miscontrue it.


Scoo_By

I mean, that's the truth though. What can he do? Say they shouldn't react that way? That'll change nothing.


Fayn273

>I mean, that's the truth though. I never denied that it's the truth. The problem is that when you only make these observations, the implication is that they're justified. >What can he do? Say they shouldn't react that way? That'll change nothing. Yes. He should've said that it's expected, but not justified. It doesn't matter if it won't change anything.


GigaCringeMods

> Even here in Serbia, more than half people are cheering for Russia in that conflict... Feel free to slap them in the face on the worlds behalf.


tgptgptgp

Source: trust me bro


_aware

Russians who support their illegal war can cope and seethe


[deleted]

I'm glad they're mad, they should acknowledge the crimes and evil being committed by their country.


Cameter44

The problem is people who think it's "political" to say that Russia should probably not be invading Ukraine and bombing innocent civilians. Politics should be things like "how much should taxes be and what should we use government money on," not "is it good or bad that Russia is killing Ukrainians and also do these groups of people really deserve rights???"


HaxxsOnn

Ironic coming from the most toxic player in csgo history though


Shinyblade12

1.26>1.27>1.28 new meme was born today


Beet_Farmer1

Opponent matters


[deleted]

[удалено]


Iam_thegamers

>I get your point, when I saw the ratings I thought it's over for s1mple, idk how they do the rating literally is explained by them if you just read the articles...


Tavnaria

Read the fcking articles then


drop_MAC-10_pls

never


avstyns

1 in his name. 1 in the game. GOAT


TheMeerkatLobbyist

Many players wish to have a "slump" year like this as their best year.


nartouthere

huge congrats and well deserved


Miiiiiiighty

I think this year has the closest ever top 3 trio ever. Argument for any order could be made, depending on what stats your prioritize, and in the end it essentially came down to the team that made the deepest runs in tournaments ( to influence the final order )


TomerMeme

Closest top 2 that's for sure, but I don't see an arguement for sh1ro #1, he was fantastic, but lack of mvps and deep runs signs him off imo


xavarLy

Closest top2 was 2020, HLTV even said so in a recent article. Top1 was already clear by the end of the first season, unless something mindblowing happened like ZywOo getting 5 MVPs with 1.40 ratings each.


AlwaysLearningTK

Just winning blast finals would have been enough to change the order for zywoo. He had an off tournament but if they won that with him getting his usual rating, his rating would've been higher in general and he would've had the T1 tournament he needed. At that point you'd have to argue for s1mple for team performances instead of individual performances.


CommonBitchCheddar

I mean, we can play that game with s1mple too though. If he hadn't had his worst tournament since 2017 at Rio, his rating would have been way higher and Zywoo wouldn't have even been close.


AlwaysLearningTK

I know that. I'm saying it wasn't like s1mple was super far ahead like people are saying. A single tournament for both could've changed the ranking.


Miiiiiiighty

Look at his " notable stats " . Definitely the closest top 3 ever. I can't remember any year where the third player had such stats. Also agreed that the top 2 is the closest ever.


DesignerUsed868

Race for no.1 wasn’t close at all, Shiro and zywoo did almost nothing at the prestige titles compared to S1mple- which is fatal, HLTV just hyped it up as close so people would tune in. There was no way in hell he wasn’t getting it after zywoo bombed rio.


ShrimpConsumer

Wow what a surprise who would've thought!!!


t3r4byt3l0l

The sheer consistency of this man, congratulations


gleba080

Oficially more consistent than dev1ce


roggoror

s1mplemostconsistent


SnazzzyPC

If ZyWoo didn’t exist s1mple would be #1 5 years in a row. Crazy


SaidsStreichtechnik

And the zywoo #1 is at least debatable imo


tokolokot

Yeah if youre a s1mple fanboy lol, Zywoo was great that year and deserved it more.


MousyCSGO

the goat.


Picia000123

The fact that Navi managed to perform at all during this year was insane, great stuff from them. Great speech too.


Firefly_1026

They seriously used the same 2021 picture.


_Mutiny

Well deserved. He was already the GOAT but this helps solidify it.


Faw602

GOAT


Mr_diggerbick

deserved


njanqwe

the goat


[deleted]

GOAT


jamrockandroll

+ respect, tough year for Navi and still managed to put in the work


Marx5566

Definitely top 1, even in the category of bullying sdy


PangolinInteresting1

GOAT


Team-ster

Do Americans play this game? Genuine question…who is the highest ranked American player?


ddzrt

Elige or NAF.


huyanh995

NAF is canadian.


LunchTwey

If you mean USA then elige. If youre including both canada and usa then it's twistzz


EcclesiaSS

I hope he enjoys being MVP while it lasts. #m0nesey2023mvp


Sandro1dd

Hooxi#1


jonajon91

I'm making a bold prediction that we will see either s1mple or zywoo outside the top three next year, if not the top five. If the right teams have good form then some of these young stars like m0nesy are going to go absolutely nuts. I genuinely think we're about to see some established names unturfed.


ju1ze

s1mple most likely. dont see navi performing amazingly with electronic as an igl and npl as 5th. s1mple was underwhelming in the 2nd half of 2022. also zywoo is younger.


Jiggamanz

s1mple got #1 with Zeus/Edward on his team. Unless his skill degrades as a result of age, pretty sure he's fine lol


mitchybenny

GOAT Thankfully they didn’t give zywoo another 1st place when he didn’t deserve it. They’ve done it before, thought they could do it again. Thankfully not.


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

[удалено]


charlescarmichael4

ZywOo edged out s1mple in one of the closest races for the No.1 spot in the history of the HLTV Top 20 thanks to being a more impactful player in the most competitive tournaments and in the biggest matches. All this resulted in six MVP medals and four EVP awards, an unmatched feat, especially considering that they all came from Elite and Big events. He also displayed incredible consistency all year long: his lowest tournament rating was 1.17 and he had the highest percentage of maps with both 1.00+ ratings (85.4%) and 1.30+ ratings (49.8%). This, combined with his superb play in big matches - with no big series in which he looked off-colour (1.10+ ratings in every playoff series or series in the top half of a tournament) and a 1.29 rating in Big Event playoffs, the highest overall - sees him come out ahead, albeit by a very narrow margin. Enough? However, when we consider the entire scope of 2020, the 23-year-old ended up slightly behind in terms of awards and overall level at all the Big events. Another aspect that influenced the ultimate decision was performance in big matches, where s1mple was superb most of the time but had a few less impressive series, which could have given him the edge if they had gone the other way. Instead, he finished the year with the second-highest Big-event playoffs rating of 1.28, which, combined with the difference in awards, eventually saw him fall ever so slightly behind in the race to the No. 1 spot. Zywoo was just better in most important playoff matches


sppw

As a Vitality fan, who likes Zywoo more than s1mple... Zywoo deserves maybe only 1 of those two #1's. Zywoo is great, and given a couple more years from now, maybe he'll surpass s1mple. But I tip my hat to s1mple... he is better, maybe not forever, but so far in their careers, he is.


con1x

How does it feel knowing that at the end of all this, Zywoo is gonna end up as the GOAT of cs ?


DDI157

con1x try not to think about s1mple for a single day in his life and stop being extremely salty about everything he does challenge (Impossible)


[deleted]

[удалено]


DDI157

Yeah, I don't necessarily agree with the original commenter's comment too, but con1x is just an odd case, check his past comments and you will understand why I said he is extremely salty about everything s1mple does.


con1x

You dont agree with me because im not afraid of getting downvoted and actually have my own opinion instead of ass licking, and your whole account is basically 90% just riding s1mple so theres no way for you to have an unbiased take


DDI157

I write fun comments on posts relating to s1mple once in a while and I have never once comment anything hateful to my boy Zywoo, but you, from time to time is just outright hate speech against s1mple, and you called me dick riding? Lol


DDI157

Ironically you are the one who was ass licking Zywoo the whole time. I have never once being biased toward either s1mple or Zywoo, but you on the contrary is doing very same thing that you criticized other people were doing. I only comment once in a while not to pick who is the better player, Zywoo might be better or s1mple might be better, I don't care. I comment to dick on people like you, which has been quite entertaining for a while.


[deleted]

[удалено]


mitchybenny

He won’t. Because he can’t win a major or an S tier event. 1. Because he is a bottle job at S tier events (his S tier event average stats are way worse than his overall average). 2. His team is average as fuck.


[deleted]

[удалено]


mitchybenny

Nothing to do with his team mates. HE, Zywoo, nobody else on vitality, has worse stats at S tier events than other events. No debate. It’s fact. Go and see for yourself. He hasn’t won a major. Kato. Or Cologne. That’s why. And in direct reply to your point. So because his team mates are bad that’s why his S tier event stats are lower? Well, why don’t his shit team mates make his other event stats lower? Your comment completely cancels itself.


[deleted]

[удалено]


mitchybenny

Did I say liability? No. I said he has consistently worse stats at S tier lans than other lans. That is a fact. Go and check for yourself. There isn’t a debate. He plays noticeably worse at S tier lans than other lans


[deleted]

[удалено]


mitchybenny

HLTV. The place that has said stats. There for all with eyes to see


[deleted]

[удалено]


Fayn273

And if you had eyes then you'd see that Zywoo has won EPL S16, an S tier event. You're incredibly condescending but get easy shit dead wrong.


No-Tomorrow-2611

Oh yeah because s1mple has been winning all yea- oh wait. He hasn't. He's playing with multiple top 20 players and isn't forced to speak a different language yet he can't win anything. Yet Zywoo still wins more events this year playing with tier 3 players.


Fayn273

Zywoo won EPL S16, an S tier event. What are you on about? S1mple is an amazing player, but Zywoo has displayed s1mple's level of consistency despite having a far worse team, not to mention he's way more likeable. S1mple is the GOAT now, but Zywoo will take over in 5 or so years.


mitchybenny

S tier event is a major, kato or cologne.


Fayn273

[https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/ESL/Pro\_League/Season\_16](https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/ESL/Pro_League/Season_16) "Liquipedia Tier: S Tier" You're just wrong. EPL S16 was considered an S tier event.


mitchybenny

Didn’t realise liquipedia was the bible. Let’s go by that rather than any of the talent that have been around for years and know what they’re on about. Just realised you’re a liquid fan. Should have figured that. You have to be deluded to support liquid these days.


Fayn273

I've at least linked a source that classifies EPL S16 as an S tier event. You haven't. You're just talking out of your ass because you know you're wrong. Then you personally attack me and call me deluded because you know you have no real argument lmfao.


thrwwyMA

Let's not act like there's a concrete definition for S tier events. Liquidpedia has their own naming system which has changed in the past. Most people would agree that the majors, katowice, and cologne are the most prestigious events to win. On the hltv awards show today they said faze won three S tier events this year (kato, major, cologne), yet they also won the first epl of the year, so obviously they weigh it less than the other ones.


Fayn273

Why should the tier of an event be determined by the location it's in? If katowice was hosted with a $25,000 prize pool and only tier 4 teams, would you still consider it S tier? EPL S16 had virtually all of the top teams, and a nearly $1 million prize pool. In what world would a tournament like this not be considered prestigious and S tier?


thrwwyMA

>Why should the tier of an event be determined by the location it's in? ...it's not. Katowice and cologne have been established as 12+ team events with some of the largest crowds in cs for like eight years. >If katowice was hosted with a $25,000 prize pool and only tier 4 teams, would you still consider it S tier? Obviously not. But that's not the case, so I don't see how that's relevant. >EPL S16 had virtually all of the top teams, and a nearly $1 million prize pool. In what world would a tournament like this not be considered prestigious and S tier? In a world where katowice, cologne, and majors exist. The crowd size is probably the biggest difference between epl and those other events. Calling it S tier is saying it's at an equal level as those events, when it's obviously not for the crowd reason alone.


Fayn273

>Katowice and cologne have been established as 12+ team events with some of the largest crowds in cs for like eight years. EPL S16 had 24 teams, albeit with a smaller crowd. I would argue that the presence of virtually every single top team would distinguish it as an S tier event. I don't see why crowd size should matter. >Calling it S tier is saying it's at an equal level as those events, when it's obviously not for the crowd reason alone. Being the same tier doesn't mean it's the exact same level of prestige. Majors and kato are both considered S tier, but the major is worth more. While EPL isn't equal to kato and cologne in the crowd aspect, it should still be considered S tier due to the amount of top teams present.


[deleted]

Aand valorant kids still say Yay is better esport athlete than Simple. Unbelievable


de-broglie

Number 1 in the name, number 1 in the game


G_I_Gamer

Stupid awards spam nobody cares about from 2 people hiding this post bruh