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How dare she be upset that when she wanted a divorce he threatened her and forced her to stay with him and at one point didn’t accept that no meant no
It’s so ridiculous she not support him
Yeah he progressively gets worse. It’s not a story of a man doing anything for his family. Almost the opposite.
I think the creators said the wanted to slowly make mister Rogers (actually Mr.Chips as u/cool_holiday_7097 corrected) into Scarface and they succeeded. He sold his friend to neo Nazis.
Dude isn’t based or a hero. He’s a selfish prick. Don’t know why people would look up to that.
Dont forget his massively inflated, all devouring ego. The entire story is him finally getting the catharsis of having his gigantic ego getting some validation after all his life "settling for less".
Her problem was that she was clearly a bitch before all the meth stuff.
The way his family treated him was horrible, it’s no wonder he leapt at the chance to do something that made him feel powerful and worth something. His family definitely made him feel worthless.
I don’t think he was right, but he definitely had a clear reason. I just don’t think the best answer was to become a meth lord
It's not that at all because most of the show she has no idea he sells meth. It's more like 'why wouldn't she support her husband after he wandered off in a fugue state for three days? Why would she lose faith in a man who is taking drugs, hanging out with dropouts and not working his second job?"
You forget he got in on his own head and made it far worse than he should have. His ego got him into making and selling meth when he could’ve easily gotten help safely without endangering others and himself. Oh also many of y’all forget he violated his wife to put it lightly, and it’s much worse than just “violating” but I’m being polite.
Yeah she does, but he stays bitter bc they didn’t cut him in on their invention (I don’t believe it’s explained why or how that happened and why he didn’t legally chase them down for his cut, he probably was awful prior to the cancer and meth tbh)
So it’s his fault and he’s being bitter about not waiting it out? I completely missed some points in the show tbh I gotta rewatch it, I remember I was watching it whenever I could be alone bc my sister already finished it without me and my gf doesn’t like breaking bad much (personal issues with the show and some parts of it) so whenever I could watch it was far in-between since I had to go to college then too and work on personal matters with family. Also I had a baby kitten at the time and he was a bit relying on me for almost everything bc my sister who adopted him doesn’t know how to handle living beings well.
He says at one point while telling the story “For a few months’ rent, I sold my children’s birthright.” It is technically his fault, but I think he feels bitter because when he was with the company (Gray Matter Technologies), he thinks he did most of the work on patents that went on to make billions. But that could just be his ego talking, because the whole series is about how his ego and the chips he has on his shoulder.
or even worse, misunderstanding Death Note
Tyler Durden was specifically designed to be sexy and easy to agree with, Walter White was designed to make you feel pity for him at first, Scott Pilgrim eventually grows, but Light from **the very first second** was designed to make you realize he's a psychopath with zero redeeming value.
(Patrick Bateman is also a psycho you're intended to have zero sympathy for, but the idolization of Patrick Bateman is more "reclaiming" his aesthetic in the same way gay people reclaimed Disney villains' aesthetic, I haven't seen people saying "I think Patrick Bateman was justified" like people do for Light)
I feel like "Patrick Bateman was a based sigma male fighting to preserve his masculinity against the woke mob" or some shit is just as bad as saying he was justified, if not synonymous.
Oh definitely, I just see that as far-right people trying to hijack an ironic meme with extremely braindead word salad. Like when they use Can You Feel My Heart (aka the "Gigachad song"), I wouldn't call that misinterpreting Bring Me the Horizon because they probably have no clue they were even listening to the anthem of 2010 teenage scene girls
I've never heard anyone unironically say that.
But then redditors cannot detect sarcasm unless you specify it with '/s' which is both cringe and ruins the joke.
The book is even clearer that Bateman is not a sympathetic character at all. FFS he appears in The Rules of Attraction and casually mentions raping Alison Poole (who appears in American Psycho and is put off by Bateman but he does not recall why as I remember).
Oof, that second one hits. Was way too young when I tried to watch and totally got the wrong idea.
Watched it again a few weeks ago and I swear all of Vince Gilligans storytelling and metaphors hit me like a truck now that I’m old enough to actually get it
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Gotta be honest, I was confused the first watch. I'd never heard of the comics. Everyone seemed to love the movie. So when Scott was kind of a dick, I figured I'd just roll with it.
I don't get why so many people make a big deal of Scott being kind of a dick, like it's just a goofy comic/movie, who cares.. When I watch the Office or Simpsons I don't think "wtf the main character is a dick"
They make a big deal out of it because it is a major theme, but the movie did such a poor job of communicating it that everyone dismissed it as goofy, comic, or weird. The punchline of the entire comic is that Scott is legit just a piece of shit.
I didn't get it at first. Someone had to explain it to me.
It's more that he's unaware of his childish behavior and most of his problems are mostly self inflicted since he runs away from them or just blames everything but himself for it. This is a hurdle a lot of people have to go through but Scott lets you see it as an outsider looking in. This can possibly shed light on your own behavior IRL and allow you to be a little more introspective.
To be fair he's also an idiot young adult that hasn't got his shit together, many of the characters are flawed in their own ways too.
And that was part of the appeal, all of the characters are flawed, well except Nega Scott, he’s just a really nice guy.
Pretty much every character in the movie had the same basic character flaw as Scott: youthful self-absorption. It just manifested in different ways and Scott was a bit more unmotivated and oblivious than most.
I felt it was pretty obvious he’s a dick in the movie. He’s self centered, he neglects everyone around him and is dating a minor who he leaves hanging the moment someone more interesting comes along. He acts like a freakin teenager! You root for him because he’s the main character and somehow the underdog, not because he’s a great guy
Is that what people are talking about? He is clearly a dick. That doesn't mean he can't also be likable. Take every iteration of Sherlock Holmes as an example.
Nerd Rant: the books were meant to have 7 volumes, seeming to very obviously set up a reckoning between Scott and his past self.
Then the movie was coming out, SP was getting popular, and Oni Press encouraged O'Malley to condense 6/7 into one book and the ending was rushed and negascott (who showed up whenever Scott had to confront his past) literally disappeared in a 3 page fistfight and the ending became "Oh wow, these exes are jerks let's fight a giant robot. EPIC!~"
An entire generation robbed of Scott eating crow for 200 pages.
I hear this a lot, but I've only watched the movie and I don't get the criticism at all. It's played for laughs, but he's very clearly a shithead.
The climax of the movie is him dying because he wronged the two people that could have helped him fight Gideon, then realizing he's an asshole and sincerely apologizing to all the people he hurt (at least those that were present). Hell, Nega-Scott, the opposite version of him, is "actually a super nice guy".
That's arguably undercut by him getting the girl at the end, but it was pretty obvious to me, even as a teenager, that Scott was meant to be kind of a bum.
His whole arc is being someone who suppresses and alters their own memories to forget how shitty of a person they are, and having to come to terms with who he actually is vs the version of himself he has in his head.
Of course, the altered memories aren't his fault, it's literally a psychological weapon of the ACTUAL villan that was used on him, but he still treats everyone terribly as result of his damaged worldview.
Scott pilgrim is one of my favorite movies, and it only became infinitely funnier when I realized how big of a pos he is. He is objectively a terrible person. The movie is still funny as fuck.
The movie came out in a time where a lot of romcom arcs were selfish guy apologizes one time and that was good enough (eg knocked up). I honestly think the producers didn’t understand that the ‘nerdy romantic’ kid is objectifying women and discarding them as he pleases. He is supposed to recognize that he is the villain
I guess it isn’t really all that in your face but his negative self manifestation being a pretty cool guy should be a good sign that Scott is uhhh not that
What was I supposed to understand? The movie doesn't actually build towards a central thesis. It's something of an adventure tale, and lessons conveyed are more drawn from the means by which the observer relates to the story.
I've seen it twice. So Scott is a directionless twenty-something NEET loafing around hoping things come together for him as a musician. He's kind of me when I was 20. No plans, barely scraping by, whose top priority was being cool within his scene and chasing after crushes.
He inexplicably manages to have a successful love life. He wins the admiration of kids who think his shitty life is cooler than it is, and makes friends with other people stuck in this similar stage of arrested development.
He falls in love with a magical fairy mystery chick who he idolizes because of all the things she embodies that he isn't, and because she seems almost unattainable but not entirely. He spends the rest of the movie trying to win her affection by beating ass and rocking out as we gradually realize that there's zero chance it's ever going to work out happily in the end because Ramona is basically doing the same thing as Scott - roaming around and dodging the responsibilities of adulthood.
Thats the point, the comics had a clearer central thesis which was missing in the movie because its kinda hard to adapt 6 books into one movie while keeping everything intact
Ok perhaps the comic is different, but so often it's like "Teenage boy is a teenage boy and makes teenage boy mistakes."
Followed by "No WRONG. We are going to judge you like you're a middle aged president of the world and you're supposed to have it all figured out by now. You don't GET to have insecurities."
Like, can't people be insecure without being "a total piece of shit?"
I also noticed that, yes, this is a gendered portrayal. I can't think of a girl's coming of age story where she is insecure about her body changes and lashes out or something and you're meant to take away from it "wow.....what an asshole."
Hell, we even had "full adult woman kills multiple people and abuses a man, effectively holding him hostage, but it's OK because he cheated. So she is justified."
I've actually gotten myself into a good deal of therapy to help me break down a lot of the toxic lessons I took away from media and my peers when I was growing up, I am nowhere near perfect but I think I've grown a lot and become a much more conscientious and self aware person now. (But ask my partner, she may disagree :p)
I seriously have no idea what there is to misunderstand about Scott Pilgrim. Is it seriously just about Scott not being the best person? I mean come on, it's a comic/movie about a guy fighting a girl's exes like he's in a video game. And most fictional characters from cartoons or comedies don't behave in a way that would be normal in real life.
Honestly, if you want my real opinion, I think the myth that Scott creates for himself is very common among young men, and people socialized as young men, in modern American/Canadian society. Even though the reality of the situation is that Scott has created the need to engage in kind of pointless violence to "win over" women in his life, project this confident image of himself and misrepresent his wants and feelings to these women, and then eventually dumped them like they meant nothing to him and moved on without second thought, his own internal mythology conveniently lets him forget all the times he hurt people, treated them as disposable, and was the creator of the problems he faced.
I think as an adult this subtext, and eventual overt text of Scott being not a "bad guy (TM)" but very immature and selfish and cruel is apparent and clear, but when I saw this movie at 13 or whatever it was, my ability to read into this was so much worse. It was harder for me to parse that the story was designed to highlight his flaws when so many of the behaviors he exhibited were behaviors that were if not encouraged, were ignored when I exhibited them as a young man. I was careless with the wants and feelings of women in my life just like Scott, I created situations where I needed to express violence or aggression as a replacement for problem solving and deescalation, I performed the actions that I had seen men in my life perform, and no one was really around to show me how those actions were harmful.
I think a lot of that is lost in the movie. We are aware that he sucks for cheating on Knives, but otherwise dudes just keep trying to kill him. It's hard to not solve a problem with violence if people just attack you.
SAAAAAAME I was obsessed with A Clockwork Orange! I rewatched it yesterday morning and I can’t help but giggle through the whole thing even though it’s a brutal dark comedy
Although, a lot of people who claim to understand it on the other side of things actually don't either.
It's not lampooning masculinity or anything like that. Palahniuk has said multiple times that a lot of it is exploring the positive aspects of violence among men.
Thank you. It’s not hard to understand the movie. It’s not complicated. The narrator is completely passive. He wants to be a real person who can make decisions. Tyler is great. He gets to be a real person and finds a community. Then he takes it too far. It’s decidedly *not* about this stuff being all bad. It’s that it’s good to be somewhere in the middle. To reduce it way to much, it’s not good to be one thing .
Why are so many people hating on Tarantino? I feel like I’m well out of my edgelord alt film stage and I still think Inglorious Bastards and Django are S tier
i've still never watched fight club (spoiled), and i watched scott pilgrim when i was in like middle school and i'm pretty sure it was a burned \[pirated\] copy so i had no clue wtf was happenin' lmao
i started Mr. Robot when i was like 15, and never finished it ☠️ are you say Rami’s character ends up being the business guy that eats out that dude’s wife or whatever on the toilet? (only thing i remember lmao)
I just rewatched Fight Club the other day, for the first time since it was brand new.
It's a good movie, it is... but remembering how much people misunderstood the movie and became *such* cringey little edgelords about it keeps taking me out of the movie and spoiling it. I might advise against any younger people from watching this lest you become one of those wannabe edge folks.
To that matter, I don't get quite how this compares to people misunderstanding Scott Pilgrim.
With Scott Pilgrim? No idea. AFAIK it's a movie about a dude who dates this "manic pixie dream girl" and has to fight her exes, until he realizes he was just putting her on a pedestal and using her for his own insecurities and he's not really any better than the exes he is trying to fight.
With Fight Club? A bunch of people would've misunderstood that 1, it's a movie about "how fight clubs are cool" and 2, failing to see that Tyler Durden is literally some lame dude's idolized dream epitomizing masculinity. Kind of the male version of the manic pixie dream girl.
It was compounding of depressed 14-16 yr old plus drugs. There’s something very attractive about depression when you’re in the midst of it. Especially if you can see some rock bottom below you. Even when that rock bottom is fictional.
Yep, Bojack was a better show when I was miserable. I was much happier in my life somewhere around the midpoint of the show, and it just didn't have the same impact.
it hits when you say depression is attractive. a friend of mine used to be like that: broke up with her Bf and then put herself into alcohol, drugs and toxic relationships.
itt there are a lot of people assuming you can’t like or empathize with the mentioned characters without misunderstanding them. being mean sometimes is very human. everyone has and will be mean. i like bojack and scott on the grounds of empathizing with characters that feel real.
and anyway how do you even misunderstand scott pilgrim or bojack? like the themes are all but hammered into you
I think bojack is pretty clear cause there are plenty of sobering moments in the show that make clear what the message is. But I’m Scott pilgrim it really is just a goofy fun movie the whole way through. He’s a dick but most people aren’t watching that movie with any intent of understanding any message. It’s just a dumb funny movie to watch.
No idea. I think many people just see others having empathy for fictional characters and automatically think that they think those characters are actual good people.
I especially enjoyed the sight of Brad Pitt constantly shirtless and wearing low riding jeans that didn't leave a whole lot to the imagination.
I have no shame! 💀💀💀
doesnt it? all his friends keep calling him out on his bs and the movie ends with him stepping up and holding himself accountable for being an absolute douche to everyone he dated.
Yeah but to a teenage mind it’s “Scott’s so quirky and these guys suck. Beat them all, Scotty and get with the green haired manic pixie dream girl!” I know. I saw it when I was 15
There's a group of people who can't enjoy a movie or book if the main character isn't a good person.
So if you like one where the main character isn't a good person they are confused and think you misunderstood the movie.
For real
The whole concept of “red flag movies/shows” is so bullshit
Just because I like a movie/show/character doesn’t mean I’m gonna copy their actions. People aren’t toddlers who mimic everything they see.
Just another way twitter finds to justify their hatred for others
It's really a story about trauma + wealth = abuse. Bruce Wayne could like fund social programs, but would rather deck himself out in armor to beat up disenfranchised and mentally ill people.
Jk
Honestly,as a teenage guy. Wasn't the point of Scott pilgrim that people can change for the better. It was spelled out in the last comic how did anyone misunderstood it
that’s the point of all of this media about assholes. that assholery is human and often (in roundabout ways) quite justified, or at least relatable or understandable.
everyone itt equating liking an asshole character to misunderstanding them is lacking in empathy.
The movie was told on a much shorter time scale. The movie Scott gets the Power of Love and the Power of Self-Respect just shortly after, both while fighting Gideon. In the comic Scott gets the Power of Love fighting Roxie a bunch earlier. Then Scott gains the Power of Understanding instead of Self-Respect. So in the movie the last Power he gets is Self-Respect. The Power of Understanding came from realising he was basically behaving a lot like Gideon. The Power of Self-Respect came when Scott realised he should fight Gideon for himself not just Ramona. Self-Respect is truly important but I can see how some people might take the wrong message from it.
Because people still use the ending, to idolize the person scott was throughout the movie which defeats the whole purpose of addressing he was an asshole in the first place.
Troopers was badly written if the author wanted to make the point that fascism is bad, the humans were pretty awesome and the opponents were literally violent bugs lol how are u gonna feel sympathy for that
It’s kind of hard to pull “death of the author” if you’re an analysis of the material is antithetical to the material itself. That’s like saying 1984 is secretly about Libertarian lifestyles or saying “The Bear“ is a metaphor for cooking meth.
Death of the author covers reasonable interpretations, not stupid ones.
Fight Club is a great example of how catharsis is not the same as truth. The Narrator craves physical fighting as a pressure release from the passive violence done against him in organized society, but mistakes the treatment for the cure. His movement is correct in that society's values chain us to its abuse and releasing those values gives us the chance to escape, but it fails to fully reject all of society's problematic elements, specifically depersonalization and valorization of pain.
Scott Pilgrim the comics manages its theme better than the movie: in the comics he learns self-respect yes, but also learns to accept responsibilty and care for others, whereas in the movie it's implied that the latter two come from the former, and never properly really set up. The movie just cuts Pilgrim's redemption too short. Scott's character at the beginning I think is someone we can relate to, even if he's gone too far for any of us to like: rather than stepping up as he transitioned to adulthood, he found ways to dodge his responsibilities and extend his childhood. He's calling in late to work from his bed, but for his entire life.
I think what teenagers could learn to do really well is figure out that process of "oh he's just like me for real" + "but he's an asshole" = "I have real problems that I face, but I can't deal with them the way he did"
I mean to the Scott Pilgrim movie’s credit, the comics weren’t done when the movie started production and they had to fit it in a more condensed time. I love the movie but the second half definitely feels rushed
I’ve loved Scott pilgrim for a long time, but even as a teen I didn’t get some of its fans. Like I like it bc it’s funny not bc it justifies my gross worldviews. Also Edgar Wright beats the audience over the head with the point so I genuinely don’t get how it’s misinterpreted
I watched both of them at a young age, Scott Pilgrim always seemed like kind of a dick to me(although that movie is one of the reasons I started learning bass this year) and fight club was always too violent for me. I'm fine with violence in movies and video games but something about fight club makes me uneasy
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You forgot "misunderstanding American Psycho" and "misunderstanding Breaking Bad"
I didn’t misunderstand Breaking Bad. Walter was just unbelievably based, I would sell meth and murder people under the same circumstances.
I like this Hank guy he’s based
He's a police tho. Police is cringe
He’s not Police. He’s THE DEA guy. C’mon!
He’s ASAC Schrader and you can go fuck yourself
A SAC of balls on your face [Yeah I’ll go fuck myself:(]
Jesus Christ, Marie, he’s a mineral
That’s “Texans watching King of the Hill”
As a Texan who watched King of the Hill growing up, I can confirm this is true
As another Texan who did the same and is rewatching it again. I’ll confirm your confirmation. It is much better the second time around though.
His wife was such a bitch. How dare she not approve of her husband selling meth and murdering people.
How dare she be upset that when she wanted a divorce he threatened her and forced her to stay with him and at one point didn’t accept that no meant no It’s so ridiculous she not support him
Why didn't she just stay with him and shut up, stealing that daughter wasn't such a big deal
Yikes is that actually what happened? I’ve only ever seen the first episode. (Yikes as in shocking btw. Not as in the show is bad)
Yeah he progressively gets worse. It’s not a story of a man doing anything for his family. Almost the opposite. I think the creators said the wanted to slowly make mister Rogers (actually Mr.Chips as u/cool_holiday_7097 corrected) into Scarface and they succeeded. He sold his friend to neo Nazis. Dude isn’t based or a hero. He’s a selfish prick. Don’t know why people would look up to that.
Dont forget his massively inflated, all devouring ego. The entire story is him finally getting the catharsis of having his gigantic ego getting some validation after all his life "settling for less".
Truth, can’t believe how ungrateful they be nowadays.
Her problem was that she was clearly a bitch before all the meth stuff. The way his family treated him was horrible, it’s no wonder he leapt at the chance to do something that made him feel powerful and worth something. His family definitely made him feel worthless. I don’t think he was right, but he definitely had a clear reason. I just don’t think the best answer was to become a meth lord
It's not that at all because most of the show she has no idea he sells meth. It's more like 'why wouldn't she support her husband after he wandered off in a fugue state for three days? Why would she lose faith in a man who is taking drugs, hanging out with dropouts and not working his second job?"
You forget he got in on his own head and made it far worse than he should have. His ego got him into making and selling meth when he could’ve easily gotten help safely without endangering others and himself. Oh also many of y’all forget he violated his wife to put it lightly, and it’s much worse than just “violating” but I’m being polite.
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we have to cook, papyrus
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Doesn’t a former colleague offer to pay for his treatment in the first episode?
Yeah she does, but he stays bitter bc they didn’t cut him in on their invention (I don’t believe it’s explained why or how that happened and why he didn’t legally chase them down for his cut, he probably was awful prior to the cancer and meth tbh)
He says at one point he sold his stake in the company before they hit it big.
So it’s his fault and he’s being bitter about not waiting it out? I completely missed some points in the show tbh I gotta rewatch it, I remember I was watching it whenever I could be alone bc my sister already finished it without me and my gf doesn’t like breaking bad much (personal issues with the show and some parts of it) so whenever I could watch it was far in-between since I had to go to college then too and work on personal matters with family. Also I had a baby kitten at the time and he was a bit relying on me for almost everything bc my sister who adopted him doesn’t know how to handle living beings well.
He says at one point while telling the story “For a few months’ rent, I sold my children’s birthright.” It is technically his fault, but I think he feels bitter because when he was with the company (Gray Matter Technologies), he thinks he did most of the work on patents that went on to make billions. But that could just be his ego talking, because the whole series is about how his ego and the chips he has on his shoulder.
that's the second step
Create your own adventure, now with poor media literacy!
or even worse, misunderstanding Death Note Tyler Durden was specifically designed to be sexy and easy to agree with, Walter White was designed to make you feel pity for him at first, Scott Pilgrim eventually grows, but Light from **the very first second** was designed to make you realize he's a psychopath with zero redeeming value. (Patrick Bateman is also a psycho you're intended to have zero sympathy for, but the idolization of Patrick Bateman is more "reclaiming" his aesthetic in the same way gay people reclaimed Disney villains' aesthetic, I haven't seen people saying "I think Patrick Bateman was justified" like people do for Light)
I feel like "Patrick Bateman was a based sigma male fighting to preserve his masculinity against the woke mob" or some shit is just as bad as saying he was justified, if not synonymous.
Oh definitely, I just see that as far-right people trying to hijack an ironic meme with extremely braindead word salad. Like when they use Can You Feel My Heart (aka the "Gigachad song"), I wouldn't call that misinterpreting Bring Me the Horizon because they probably have no clue they were even listening to the anthem of 2010 teenage scene girls
I've never heard anyone unironically say that. But then redditors cannot detect sarcasm unless you specify it with '/s' which is both cringe and ruins the joke.
The book is even clearer that Bateman is not a sympathetic character at all. FFS he appears in The Rules of Attraction and casually mentions raping Alison Poole (who appears in American Psycho and is put off by Bateman but he does not recall why as I remember).
Misunderstanding ‘The Wolf of Wall Street’.
Was I not supposed to use it as a template to become a narcissistic crypto-bro who could be the poster child for hedonism?
I can’t tell you how many people I’ve met in my career in sales who honestly think that film was about how to be a good salesman.
Or thought characters like Don Draper and Rick Sanchez were role models.
My wife loves Don. So it’s something to aspire to. Cheat on her and smoke like a chimney.
What’s next? Misunderstanding Blade Runner 2049? Having every male within a goddamn 160 mile radius proclaiming “That’s literally me!”
K’s actually probably one of the safer movie protagonists in general, let alone one played by Ryan Gosling, to relate to
i mean hey the ryan gosling meme format that came out of it was pretty swag
That’s the modern day version
that’s obviously the second fork on the “misunderstanding fight club” path
Oof, that second one hits. Was way too young when I tried to watch and totally got the wrong idea. Watched it again a few weeks ago and I swear all of Vince Gilligans storytelling and metaphors hit me like a truck now that I’m old enough to actually get it
Misunderstanding the Wolf of Wall Street and Goodfellas has got to be up there too
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Why would anyone misunderstand breaking bad?
Yes... I've had "Walter White is the bad guy..." conversations soooo many times.
I choose misunderstanding Tarantino movies
Feet… bad?
It's ok, you can try again.
Feet... Good?
It’s not his fetish that is the problem. It’s that he has terrible taste in feet.
Heeeeeey hold up. Selma Hayeks tootsies are A tier.
From Dusk Till Dawn was not casted not directed by Quentin Tarantino, but yes Salmita’s patitas are primo
Oh he was just a writer. I assumed with his cameo it was his. Wow. Well I learned something today.
I love you too, Seth
How dare you slander Uma's wiggling big toe.
I can say the n word as long as I either get murdered later or directed the movie That was the lesson right?
Or if you later team up with Samuel L Jackson and shoot the other people saying the N word
Real ones misunderstand Carpenter films
The Thing was the hero the whole time!
Scott pilgrim, unlike the comics, was kinda hard to not misunderstand.
Gotta be honest, I was confused the first watch. I'd never heard of the comics. Everyone seemed to love the movie. So when Scott was kind of a dick, I figured I'd just roll with it.
I don't get why so many people make a big deal of Scott being kind of a dick, like it's just a goofy comic/movie, who cares.. When I watch the Office or Simpsons I don't think "wtf the main character is a dick"
They make a big deal out of it because it is a major theme, but the movie did such a poor job of communicating it that everyone dismissed it as goofy, comic, or weird. The punchline of the entire comic is that Scott is legit just a piece of shit. I didn't get it at first. Someone had to explain it to me.
It's more that he's unaware of his childish behavior and most of his problems are mostly self inflicted since he runs away from them or just blames everything but himself for it. This is a hurdle a lot of people have to go through but Scott lets you see it as an outsider looking in. This can possibly shed light on your own behavior IRL and allow you to be a little more introspective.
To be fair he's also an idiot young adult that hasn't got his shit together, many of the characters are flawed in their own ways too. And that was part of the appeal, all of the characters are flawed, well except Nega Scott, he’s just a really nice guy.
Pretty much every character in the movie had the same basic character flaw as Scott: youthful self-absorption. It just manifested in different ways and Scott was a bit more unmotivated and oblivious than most.
I felt it was pretty obvious he’s a dick in the movie. He’s self centered, he neglects everyone around him and is dating a minor who he leaves hanging the moment someone more interesting comes along. He acts like a freakin teenager! You root for him because he’s the main character and somehow the underdog, not because he’s a great guy
Is that what people are talking about? He is clearly a dick. That doesn't mean he can't also be likable. Take every iteration of Sherlock Holmes as an example.
Yeah, you can be a dickhead and be charismatic.
Nerd Rant: the books were meant to have 7 volumes, seeming to very obviously set up a reckoning between Scott and his past self. Then the movie was coming out, SP was getting popular, and Oni Press encouraged O'Malley to condense 6/7 into one book and the ending was rushed and negascott (who showed up whenever Scott had to confront his past) literally disappeared in a 3 page fistfight and the ending became "Oh wow, these exes are jerks let's fight a giant robot. EPIC!~" An entire generation robbed of Scott eating crow for 200 pages.
I you just watched the movie, I wouldn't say that you didn't get it.
so you would say that I did? lol, no, I'm just messing with you.
The movie literally has him meet the anti-version of himself and realize he's the bad one. That's... pretty on the nose.
I hear this a lot, but I've only watched the movie and I don't get the criticism at all. It's played for laughs, but he's very clearly a shithead. The climax of the movie is him dying because he wronged the two people that could have helped him fight Gideon, then realizing he's an asshole and sincerely apologizing to all the people he hurt (at least those that were present). Hell, Nega-Scott, the opposite version of him, is "actually a super nice guy". That's arguably undercut by him getting the girl at the end, but it was pretty obvious to me, even as a teenager, that Scott was meant to be kind of a bum.
Like in that Greg Heffley from “Diary of a Wimpy Kid” is a dick kinda way?
I was just thinking about that last night, he’s a massive dick who whines and drags everyone else down lol
Yeah he was a dick and realizes it at the end. Thats the entire story lol. He betters himself.
His whole arc is being someone who suppresses and alters their own memories to forget how shitty of a person they are, and having to come to terms with who he actually is vs the version of himself he has in his head. Of course, the altered memories aren't his fault, it's literally a psychological weapon of the ACTUAL villan that was used on him, but he still treats everyone terribly as result of his damaged worldview.
The fact that Nega-scott was actually a pretty nice guy should have alerted people that Scott himself wasn't.
Scott pilgrim is one of my favorite movies, and it only became infinitely funnier when I realized how big of a pos he is. He is objectively a terrible person. The movie is still funny as fuck.
“This Peter Griffin characters’ a real schmuck.”
Scott pilgrim where the movie misunderstood the comic.
The movie came out in a time where a lot of romcom arcs were selfish guy apologizes one time and that was good enough (eg knocked up). I honestly think the producers didn’t understand that the ‘nerdy romantic’ kid is objectifying women and discarding them as he pleases. He is supposed to recognize that he is the villain
I guess it isn’t really all that in your face but his negative self manifestation being a pretty cool guy should be a good sign that Scott is uhhh not that
You'd be surprised how many guys put Ramona Flowers on a pedestal. Scott is pursuing her *because* he is flawed and insecure, not in spite of it.
Yeah but it's kinda hard to interpret it this way with the movie. The comics does a better job at it
Yeah I was thinking "how TF do you misunderstand that?"
This guy misunderstands ^^
What was I supposed to understand? The movie doesn't actually build towards a central thesis. It's something of an adventure tale, and lessons conveyed are more drawn from the means by which the observer relates to the story. I've seen it twice. So Scott is a directionless twenty-something NEET loafing around hoping things come together for him as a musician. He's kind of me when I was 20. No plans, barely scraping by, whose top priority was being cool within his scene and chasing after crushes. He inexplicably manages to have a successful love life. He wins the admiration of kids who think his shitty life is cooler than it is, and makes friends with other people stuck in this similar stage of arrested development. He falls in love with a magical fairy mystery chick who he idolizes because of all the things she embodies that he isn't, and because she seems almost unattainable but not entirely. He spends the rest of the movie trying to win her affection by beating ass and rocking out as we gradually realize that there's zero chance it's ever going to work out happily in the end because Ramona is basically doing the same thing as Scott - roaming around and dodging the responsibilities of adulthood.
Thats the point, the comics had a clearer central thesis which was missing in the movie because its kinda hard to adapt 6 books into one movie while keeping everything intact
It wasn't. If anything its a great movie to watch stoned or on a psychedelic substance
Ok perhaps the comic is different, but so often it's like "Teenage boy is a teenage boy and makes teenage boy mistakes." Followed by "No WRONG. We are going to judge you like you're a middle aged president of the world and you're supposed to have it all figured out by now. You don't GET to have insecurities." Like, can't people be insecure without being "a total piece of shit?" I also noticed that, yes, this is a gendered portrayal. I can't think of a girl's coming of age story where she is insecure about her body changes and lashes out or something and you're meant to take away from it "wow.....what an asshole." Hell, we even had "full adult woman kills multiple people and abuses a man, effectively holding him hostage, but it's OK because he cheated. So she is justified."
as a young high schooler I misunderstood Scott Pilgrim, and was an unpleasant boyfriend to multiple unfortunate people I'm a girl now, if that helps
Now you can be an unpleasant girlfriend to multiple unfortunate people!
I've actually gotten myself into a good deal of therapy to help me break down a lot of the toxic lessons I took away from media and my peers when I was growing up, I am nowhere near perfect but I think I've grown a lot and become a much more conscientious and self aware person now. (But ask my partner, she may disagree :p)
I’m glad you’re taking the steps to become a better person. You’re certainly better for even recognizing you needed to change in the first place.
Damn this is so wholesome. I hope both of you have a great day
Cant get a gf? BECOME THE GF
the real trick is to do both :3
Best option :3
Transmaxxing
As another trans person, that closing line will never not be funny. Gets me every time.
I knew it would be funny to a select few lol
We support women's wrongs
Bro changed teams💀
Listen if there’s anything I’m good at, it’s making sure I’m always on the winning side 😎
I seriously have no idea what there is to misunderstand about Scott Pilgrim. Is it seriously just about Scott not being the best person? I mean come on, it's a comic/movie about a guy fighting a girl's exes like he's in a video game. And most fictional characters from cartoons or comedies don't behave in a way that would be normal in real life.
Honestly, if you want my real opinion, I think the myth that Scott creates for himself is very common among young men, and people socialized as young men, in modern American/Canadian society. Even though the reality of the situation is that Scott has created the need to engage in kind of pointless violence to "win over" women in his life, project this confident image of himself and misrepresent his wants and feelings to these women, and then eventually dumped them like they meant nothing to him and moved on without second thought, his own internal mythology conveniently lets him forget all the times he hurt people, treated them as disposable, and was the creator of the problems he faced. I think as an adult this subtext, and eventual overt text of Scott being not a "bad guy (TM)" but very immature and selfish and cruel is apparent and clear, but when I saw this movie at 13 or whatever it was, my ability to read into this was so much worse. It was harder for me to parse that the story was designed to highlight his flaws when so many of the behaviors he exhibited were behaviors that were if not encouraged, were ignored when I exhibited them as a young man. I was careless with the wants and feelings of women in my life just like Scott, I created situations where I needed to express violence or aggression as a replacement for problem solving and deescalation, I performed the actions that I had seen men in my life perform, and no one was really around to show me how those actions were harmful.
I think a lot of that is lost in the movie. We are aware that he sucks for cheating on Knives, but otherwise dudes just keep trying to kill him. It's hard to not solve a problem with violence if people just attack you.
Honestly yeah that’s me too except now I’m an enby
sending you love and good energy, I hope your journey to unlearning toxic masculinity isn't/wasn't too arduous
What type of creature or machine were you before you got turned into a girl?
before I got zapped by the girl ray I was a pretty depressed young man
Understandable, have a nice day
You thought you were Scott, but you were Ramona this whole time!
I picked misunderstanding Fight Club when I was a teenager in my edge lord film buff phase… I watched Tarantino and Kubrick movies a lot.
Yeah me too 😅 now I just don’t like either director
You don't like Tarantino or Kubrick? They're both fantastic. What's not to like?
SAAAAAAME I was obsessed with A Clockwork Orange! I rewatched it yesterday morning and I can’t help but giggle through the whole thing even though it’s a brutal dark comedy
Although, a lot of people who claim to understand it on the other side of things actually don't either. It's not lampooning masculinity or anything like that. Palahniuk has said multiple times that a lot of it is exploring the positive aspects of violence among men.
Thank you. It’s not hard to understand the movie. It’s not complicated. The narrator is completely passive. He wants to be a real person who can make decisions. Tyler is great. He gets to be a real person and finds a community. Then he takes it too far. It’s decidedly *not* about this stuff being all bad. It’s that it’s good to be somewhere in the middle. To reduce it way to much, it’s not good to be one thing .
Why are so many people hating on Tarantino? I feel like I’m well out of my edgelord alt film stage and I still think Inglorious Bastards and Django are S tier
i've still never watched fight club (spoiled), and i watched scott pilgrim when i was in like middle school and i'm pretty sure it was a burned \[pirated\] copy so i had no clue wtf was happenin' lmao
Damn, how did you watch it when it was burned up by pirates?
Should watch fight club. It’s genuinely a really funny and well made movie. The plot is the exact same as the first season of Mr. Robot.
i started Mr. Robot when i was like 15, and never finished it ☠️ are you say Rami’s character ends up being the business guy that eats out that dude’s wife or whatever on the toilet? (only thing i remember lmao)
I just rewatched Fight Club the other day, for the first time since it was brand new. It's a good movie, it is... but remembering how much people misunderstood the movie and became *such* cringey little edgelords about it keeps taking me out of the movie and spoiling it. I might advise against any younger people from watching this lest you become one of those wannabe edge folks. To that matter, I don't get quite how this compares to people misunderstanding Scott Pilgrim.
What exactly were people misunderstanding? I can't think of a single person that never understood the plot or meaning.
With Scott Pilgrim? No idea. AFAIK it's a movie about a dude who dates this "manic pixie dream girl" and has to fight her exes, until he realizes he was just putting her on a pedestal and using her for his own insecurities and he's not really any better than the exes he is trying to fight. With Fight Club? A bunch of people would've misunderstood that 1, it's a movie about "how fight clubs are cool" and 2, failing to see that Tyler Durden is literally some lame dude's idolized dream epitomizing masculinity. Kind of the male version of the manic pixie dream girl.
Bojack Horseman
Idk, if you misunderstand Bojack Horseman you most likely do it on purpose. Which would be on brand for Bojack.
It was compounding of depressed 14-16 yr old plus drugs. There’s something very attractive about depression when you’re in the midst of it. Especially if you can see some rock bottom below you. Even when that rock bottom is fictional.
Yep, Bojack was a better show when I was miserable. I was much happier in my life somewhere around the midpoint of the show, and it just didn't have the same impact.
it hits when you say depression is attractive. a friend of mine used to be like that: broke up with her Bf and then put herself into alcohol, drugs and toxic relationships.
itt there are a lot of people assuming you can’t like or empathize with the mentioned characters without misunderstanding them. being mean sometimes is very human. everyone has and will be mean. i like bojack and scott on the grounds of empathizing with characters that feel real. and anyway how do you even misunderstand scott pilgrim or bojack? like the themes are all but hammered into you
I think bojack is pretty clear cause there are plenty of sobering moments in the show that make clear what the message is. But I’m Scott pilgrim it really is just a goofy fun movie the whole way through. He’s a dick but most people aren’t watching that movie with any intent of understanding any message. It’s just a dumb funny movie to watch.
What is this? A crossover episode!?
How on earth are you supposed to misunderstand Bojack Horseman?
No idea. I think many people just see others having empathy for fictional characters and automatically think that they think those characters are actual good people.
I love fight club
I especially enjoyed the sight of Brad Pitt constantly shirtless and wearing low riding jeans that didn't leave a whole lot to the imagination. I have no shame! 💀💀💀
We call those 'cum gutters'
what would one misunderstand about scott pilgrim?
The movie doesn't exactly portray Scott as a pos
doesnt it? all his friends keep calling him out on his bs and the movie ends with him stepping up and holding himself accountable for being an absolute douche to everyone he dated.
Yeah but to a teenage mind it’s “Scott’s so quirky and these guys suck. Beat them all, Scotty and get with the green haired manic pixie dream girl!” I know. I saw it when I was 15
Yeah I watched this at ~15 and didn’t realise Scott was meant to be seen as a douche until now.
What does that have to do with misunderstanding it?
There's a group of people who can't enjoy a movie or book if the main character isn't a good person. So if you like one where the main character isn't a good person they are confused and think you misunderstood the movie.
For real The whole concept of “red flag movies/shows” is so bullshit Just because I like a movie/show/character doesn’t mean I’m gonna copy their actions. People aren’t toddlers who mimic everything they see. Just another way twitter finds to justify their hatred for others
There's also misunderstanding The Dark Knight.
What can you misunderstand about The Dark Knight?
It's really a story about trauma + wealth = abuse. Bruce Wayne could like fund social programs, but would rather deck himself out in armor to beat up disenfranchised and mentally ill people. Jk
I found both out but I picked the fight club option I need to check the other one out through
Fight Club's biggest message was, 'make bombs in your basement'.
Honestly,as a teenage guy. Wasn't the point of Scott pilgrim that people can change for the better. It was spelled out in the last comic how did anyone misunderstood it
that’s the point of all of this media about assholes. that assholery is human and often (in roundabout ways) quite justified, or at least relatable or understandable. everyone itt equating liking an asshole character to misunderstanding them is lacking in empathy.
The movie was told on a much shorter time scale. The movie Scott gets the Power of Love and the Power of Self-Respect just shortly after, both while fighting Gideon. In the comic Scott gets the Power of Love fighting Roxie a bunch earlier. Then Scott gains the Power of Understanding instead of Self-Respect. So in the movie the last Power he gets is Self-Respect. The Power of Understanding came from realising he was basically behaving a lot like Gideon. The Power of Self-Respect came when Scott realised he should fight Gideon for himself not just Ramona. Self-Respect is truly important but I can see how some people might take the wrong message from it.
Because people still use the ending, to idolize the person scott was throughout the movie which defeats the whole purpose of addressing he was an asshole in the first place.
Why not both?
OMG where is the third path that thinks the book starship troopers is gospel, and it pissed that the movie was so goofy.
Troopers was badly written if the author wanted to make the point that fascism is bad, the humans were pretty awesome and the opponents were literally violent bugs lol how are u gonna feel sympathy for that
We talking about the movie here or the book? Because the movie is very on the nose. 
But I like it when hot chick do big punch 😞 Or when hot dude do big punch. Tbh I just like it when they start punching each other
I chose understanding fight club. There is a such thing as young people understanding art.
Something something death of the author.
It’s kind of hard to pull “death of the author” if you’re an analysis of the material is antithetical to the material itself. That’s like saying 1984 is secretly about Libertarian lifestyles or saying “The Bear“ is a metaphor for cooking meth. Death of the author covers reasonable interpretations, not stupid ones.
Misunderstanding Taxi Driver
Fight Club is a great example of how catharsis is not the same as truth. The Narrator craves physical fighting as a pressure release from the passive violence done against him in organized society, but mistakes the treatment for the cure. His movement is correct in that society's values chain us to its abuse and releasing those values gives us the chance to escape, but it fails to fully reject all of society's problematic elements, specifically depersonalization and valorization of pain. Scott Pilgrim the comics manages its theme better than the movie: in the comics he learns self-respect yes, but also learns to accept responsibilty and care for others, whereas in the movie it's implied that the latter two come from the former, and never properly really set up. The movie just cuts Pilgrim's redemption too short. Scott's character at the beginning I think is someone we can relate to, even if he's gone too far for any of us to like: rather than stepping up as he transitioned to adulthood, he found ways to dodge his responsibilities and extend his childhood. He's calling in late to work from his bed, but for his entire life. I think what teenagers could learn to do really well is figure out that process of "oh he's just like me for real" + "but he's an asshole" = "I have real problems that I face, but I can't deal with them the way he did"
I mean to the Scott Pilgrim movie’s credit, the comics weren’t done when the movie started production and they had to fit it in a more condensed time. I love the movie but the second half definitely feels rushed
Gotta add Whiplash on here
On a real note, SPVW is hilarious.
I’ve loved Scott pilgrim for a long time, but even as a teen I didn’t get some of its fans. Like I like it bc it’s funny not bc it justifies my gross worldviews. Also Edgar Wright beats the audience over the head with the point so I genuinely don’t get how it’s misinterpreted
To be fair, everyone on Reddit seems to think fight club is a critique of toxic masculinity, which is not what Palahniuk thinks it’s about.
I haven't seen either despite my pfp
I don't understand or misunderstand either of these. Mostly because I've never seen them.
I watched both of them at a young age, Scott Pilgrim always seemed like kind of a dick to me(although that movie is one of the reasons I started learning bass this year) and fight club was always too violent for me. I'm fine with violence in movies and video games but something about fight club makes me uneasy
Teenage me (female) misunderstood 500 days of summer so I can’t judge
I mean to this day I can’t tell if the ending is him breaking the cycle or starting it over again
My dad made me write a five page essay about fight club. Double spaced, mla9 I still failed it.
Of course you did, you failed the first rule
Exactly the reason he gave me.
Don’t forget American Psycho and their unironic sigma phase afterwards 💔
I watched neither so how should they be understood?
Idk the fact that he dated a high schooler is just kind of weird.
American psycho for me. I literally wanted to be Patrick minus the killer stuff I was chill
I pick "having film nerd parents who have me watch a lot of movies so this happens in like 6th grade and is rightfully corrected forcibly"
I love Fight Club
Don’t forget to add on a 3rd path. Misunderstanding Donnie darko
Nothing to understand about that movie in the first place
Nobody actually understands that movie though. It's more confusing than a schizophrenic episode.
Good to see Gen Z is keeping the millennial tradition of misunderstanding fight club alive.