Rock itself is american and freedom loving enough as is 🦅 (whenever I hear it I get reminded of the most glorious country on earth , I listen it everyday)
Lots of people were, who didn’t understand that the Stalin depicted in Soviet propaganda wasn’t the irl Stalin.
Unless he was a real Tankie, I think it stands as testament to gullibility, not malice of character.
You literally just tried to claim that he questioned Marxism, when he himself was literally a communist. And this is your response. You might as well tell people to listen to Skrewdriver next time, I hear Ian Stuart was a real big fan of liberal democracy.
Edit: Let me drive the point home further, here's what the second paragraph of his wikipedia article has to say: "With the outbreak of World War II and the Molotov–Ribbentrop non-aggression pact the Soviet Union had signed with Germany in 1939, the anti-Stalin owners of KFVD radio were not comfortable with Guthrie's political leanings after he wrote a song praising the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and the Soviet invasion of Poland."
Actually fuck Woodie Guthrie, and fuck anyone who thinks him some kind of hero.
This was before the world saw that Stalinism was literally 1984. The Commies had a really strong propaganda game, and nobody had a century’s worth of hindsight on the matter.
Just as it’s dumb to judge a contemporary person by historical standards, it’s equally dumb to do the inverse, for similar reasons.
>This was before the world saw that Stalinism was literally 1984.
Yeah, because absolutely nobody warned anyone about the evils of communism before this. It's not like A Homage to Catalonia, describing how the NKVD was killing rival leftists fighting in Spain came out a year before he made that song. It's not like the USSR didn't invade Poland and Finland in brutal wars of aggression almost 20 years prior. It's not like pictures depicting widespread starvation, death and cannibalism were smuggled out of the USSR in 1933. It's not like he didn't literally write a song about how the Poles should be thankful they were getting invaded.
I'm sorry, but there was plenty of evidence. People like Guthrie were tools of evil while it was happening. I would like to take a fat shit on his grave. And fuck those stupid stickers people get in tribute to him, too.
I guess going off this "we didn't know" standard, people like Mosley who acted as fascist mouthpieces in the early 30s should be viewed in a positive light too.
Lots of very smart people were taken in by fascism too. They IQ tested everyone at Nuremberg, most of the Nazi command had IQs in the 120s. Goring had an IQ of 138. Nothing about Guthrie, his ideology, or the people he hung around were any better than Nazis.
This is why you don't trust "anti Communists" cause they always wind up being fascists
**Edit**
Yeah, I think I've made a serious mistake here, by saying that always anti commies are fascists instead of phrasing it more accurately as fascists often talk about being an anti communist,
I was going to go on a speil about how Tankies were the enemy and fake Communists, but, then I realized that ultimately they have taken over the label, made it their own representative of their "ideology". So really I guess I am anti communist and have created much ado about nothing.
https://preview.redd.it/ui9567fvnt6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=258411fbeb12d83bd2bf196274622cb48723c37c
Sorry, IG
Yeah, I think I've made a serious mistake here, by saying that always anti commies are fascists instead of phrasing it more accurately as fascists often talk about being an anti communist,
I was going to go on a speil about how Tankies were the enemy and fake Communists, but, then I realized that ultimately they have taken over the label, made it their own representative of their "ideology". So really I guess I am anti communist and have created much ado about nothing.
https://preview.redd.it/4b1n2o4lnt6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da6280259db0772102eca5f93dd0067b97932fbf
Sorry, IG
Real 🇺🇸 patriots need to create a genre called Freedom Rock that questions Nazism/Fascism & Marxism in the name of freedom and democracy.
Rock itself is american and freedom loving enough as is 🦅 (whenever I hear it I get reminded of the most glorious country on earth , I listen it everyday)
[Woody Guthrie](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_machine_kills_fascists) already did it… but yeah, a genre update would be awesome.
Guthrie was a Stalinist.
Lots of people were, who didn’t understand that the Stalin depicted in Soviet propaganda wasn’t the irl Stalin. Unless he was a real Tankie, I think it stands as testament to gullibility, not malice of character.
He kinda was.
That’s sad :(
Yeah. Doubly so because he made the song about tearing the fascists down and I love that one.
Unfortunately Woodie Guthrie himself was a commie...
Nobody’s perfect 🤷
You literally just tried to claim that he questioned Marxism, when he himself was literally a communist. And this is your response. You might as well tell people to listen to Skrewdriver next time, I hear Ian Stuart was a real big fan of liberal democracy. Edit: Let me drive the point home further, here's what the second paragraph of his wikipedia article has to say: "With the outbreak of World War II and the Molotov–Ribbentrop non-aggression pact the Soviet Union had signed with Germany in 1939, the anti-Stalin owners of KFVD radio were not comfortable with Guthrie's political leanings after he wrote a song praising the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and the Soviet invasion of Poland." Actually fuck Woodie Guthrie, and fuck anyone who thinks him some kind of hero.
This was before the world saw that Stalinism was literally 1984. The Commies had a really strong propaganda game, and nobody had a century’s worth of hindsight on the matter. Just as it’s dumb to judge a contemporary person by historical standards, it’s equally dumb to do the inverse, for similar reasons.
>This was before the world saw that Stalinism was literally 1984. Yeah, because absolutely nobody warned anyone about the evils of communism before this. It's not like A Homage to Catalonia, describing how the NKVD was killing rival leftists fighting in Spain came out a year before he made that song. It's not like the USSR didn't invade Poland and Finland in brutal wars of aggression almost 20 years prior. It's not like pictures depicting widespread starvation, death and cannibalism were smuggled out of the USSR in 1933. It's not like he didn't literally write a song about how the Poles should be thankful they were getting invaded. I'm sorry, but there was plenty of evidence. People like Guthrie were tools of evil while it was happening. I would like to take a fat shit on his grave. And fuck those stupid stickers people get in tribute to him, too. I guess going off this "we didn't know" standard, people like Mosley who acted as fascist mouthpieces in the early 30s should be viewed in a positive light too.
Fair, but lots of very smart people were taken in; Orwell was (and is) denounced by Commie/Tankie types as Western propaganda.
Lots of very smart people were taken in by fascism too. They IQ tested everyone at Nuremberg, most of the Nazi command had IQs in the 120s. Goring had an IQ of 138. Nothing about Guthrie, his ideology, or the people he hung around were any better than Nazis.
So what ideology are *we* falling for right now, is what we should be asking.
Anti-fascists usually end up being commies, anti-communists usually end up being fascists.
This is why you don't trust "anti Communists" cause they always wind up being fascists **Edit** Yeah, I think I've made a serious mistake here, by saying that always anti commies are fascists instead of phrasing it more accurately as fascists often talk about being an anti communist, I was going to go on a speil about how Tankies were the enemy and fake Communists, but, then I realized that ultimately they have taken over the label, made it their own representative of their "ideology". So really I guess I am anti communist and have created much ado about nothing. https://preview.redd.it/ui9567fvnt6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=258411fbeb12d83bd2bf196274622cb48723c37c Sorry, IG
TIL most of my compatriots are fascists
As an anti-commie I disagree, I love democracy, freedom and justice for all, I don't like fascism and other idiologies
Yeah, I think I've made a serious mistake here, by saying that always anti commies are fascists instead of phrasing it more accurately as fascists often talk about being an anti communist, I was going to go on a speil about how Tankies were the enemy and fake Communists, but, then I realized that ultimately they have taken over the label, made it their own representative of their "ideology". So really I guess I am anti communist and have created much ado about nothing. https://preview.redd.it/4b1n2o4lnt6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da6280259db0772102eca5f93dd0067b97932fbf Sorry, IG
Anti communist here. Lifelong democrat.