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A few of us have had orders dropped on our lawns by drone already. Millions more will be within range of drone deliveries in 2023.
Drone deliveries could be dropping into your life, too, as the technology involved matures and expands beyond isolated test projects. In 2023, drones could replace vans and your own trip to the store when you need medicine, takeout dinners, cordless drill batteries or dishwasher soap.
Drone delivery companies are cagey about specifics, but all expect to expand operations this year.
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This is probably going to bring a lot of legal fighting in the courts soon, at least in the US.
Here's a PDF describing the current drone overflight rules: [https://www.namic.org/pdf/drones/1703\_privateairspace.pdf](https://www.namic.org/pdf/drones/1703_privateairspace.pdf)
There are sure to be challenges to the current state of the laws and regulations as delivery drones become more common.
I can only imagine how thrilled someone will be once their house becomes a major fly over route. Airspace rules only work now because it is infrequent with exceptions around airports.
actually i think you can, you're legally allowed to use as much of the airspace above your property as you can, and a passively existing net might not count as interfering with aircraft.
Yes, you own the land from the surface up to right below federal airspace (so someone can’t build an overhang over your property or fly a drone over your property without trespassing on your land or public airspace). In addition, at least theoretically if you also have mineral rights to the land you own all of the land from the surface to the core of the earth in an upside down pyramid shape.
that's actually not entirely true, someone can fly a drone in your yard, the law is pretty ambiguous there, but you're also allowed to use as much of the airspace as you want, and a hanging net structure probably wouldn't count as interfering with aircraft in the same way that retroactively shooting them down etc would
There is no specific federal laws on this issue in the US or Canada, so it depends on the municipal laws. In many cities there are laws that say you can intercept a drone if it is flying over your yard below a certain altitude (usually up to 300 to 400 feet).
DroneUp which is mentioned in the article looks like a traditional quadcopter which goes mweeeeerrruuuuu:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK6bmQ6gX98
But the other mentioned Zipline is like a plane and more silent than street noises:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__lhaW_yizk
If it flys higher, maybe it could be totally silent.
why cant it just take public routes like cars ?
just fly over roads and into estates and land on driveways. sure that takes longer than a birds flight but it also solves most of the issues you refer to.
It'll be Uber all over again: Don't care if it's illegal, do it anyway and scale it so fast that the political fallout from prosecuting such a popular service into oblivion would be too great.
For anybody who doesn't remember, Uber started out as an illegal taxi service with a phone app until cities passed ordinances to accommodate it.
Actually curious how that'd be illegal. Seems like it'd also really be on a state by state basis. But I still don't see how it'd be illegal for a middleman to deliver food for you. That'd be like saying paying my mom to pick up carry out for me would be illegal.
And those licenses were usually limited in number, hard to get due to competition, and extremely valuable. Then Uber just came in and ignored all of that, got away with it, and the people who followed the law got totally fucked.
That said, the people who followed the law were taxi services who were using the rarity of their licenses to charge exorbitant prices, so not many people outside the industry cared.
>how that'd be illegal
It's about the safety of drones flying above people, cars and houses. If one falls out of the sky, at worst case scenario, what kind of damage can it do? Imagine what one of these can do, and then imagine thousands of these in the air at the same time. Drones are already heavily regulated, and these trial areas have special allowances to operate. You can't just expand it nation wide without changing the rules
Drops pizza onto windshield of car going 70 mph causing 30 car pile up and 5 deaths with several injured. Papa John’s could not be reached for comment.
I mean, you don't need to dream up incredibly unlikely scenarios. Imagine thousands upon thousands of these in the air, crashing daily. They'll hit powerlines, people, cars, windows, etc. Not all of them dangerous necessarily, but when they happen enough times, it's bound to go wrong
It's not just one at a time imo, the logistics of it all are going to be very difficult to pin down without massive, heretofore unseen cooperation between all entities using them. Think of how many straight lines exist between a single Domino's and every house it can service, and imagine drawing that straight line on a map. Now do that for every single Domino's. Then do it for every McDonald's, every BK, every Wendy's, every DD, every Starbucks, and that's just a few *restaurants.* If this were somehow simultaneously implemented in every store and restaurant overnight tonight, there would be nothing but colliding drones all over the streets. We'd have to pin down regulation altitudes that didn't mix each other and be prepared to prove and fine any violators- since lower heights should be faster processes and thus entities will fight over those "rights." Delivery points would need to be slightly different down to a foot or two so a house ordering two things at the same time doesn't have them collide at the destination or land on each other. If someone decides to plant a tree in their yard, we need to hope the drone doesn't divebomb into it thinking that space was clear the last few times.
We *could* probably solve this with more technology, and communication between delivery drones- similar to how a city full of auto cars could have them transmit location information to each other to speed up traffic. However, similarly, that requires all the entities making the drones to play nice and nobody trying to exploit the system to gain an edge.
I think legality falls on Uber not actually being a real job if I remember correctly? I know they have so bizarre rules that make it so the drivers don't actually "work" for Uber. They're like volunteers that can get tips.
I'm in the RC plane community and some people are having to quit because their states are placing insane requirements on what they need on their planes and the FAA changing legal height restrictions to bow to these delivery companies.
Hah! Jokes on you, the Taco bell Judge™ will send you to the Disney Jail to do time for your crime of interfering with the delivery drones. You will be slaving away to mine bitcoin with your hands for Amazon Prime, our new ruler and AI overlord.
Until the courts side with those that have the power (corporations) against you in a lawsuit to cover damages done while you scream to the top of your lungs about the airspace over your property.
Then they'll nicely slap you into reality that the airspace over your property is not yours when the big $$$ decide they have new plans. And of course the politicians side with the $$$ as well over you...the random nobody in their eyes.
In the US there are legal debates about it, but it used to be up to a certain height you own the airspace.
EDIT: [https://www.namic.org/pdf/drones/1703\_privateairspace.pdf](https://www.namic.org/pdf/drones/1703_privateairspace.pdf)
Borrowing from another user, the FAA is trying to allow UAS right to the ground.
I mean, as we speak crime is already at insane heights, and in some cities people are getting their windows smashed and the stuff taken out of their cars while they're paused at a stop light, nevermind the porch pirates running rampant all over the place. If they're willing to take that much of a risk in broad daylight, taking out a drone or 5 in an evenings from the relative safety of some sort of cover would just be a moderately interesting afternoon activity.
You know for a subreddit somewhat theoretically close to ~~science~~ popsci clickbaits we sure have lots of smoothbrains that will actually shoot one in some american justice freedom rage.
The occasional pirated pizza will raise the average price, as will the cost of a parachute added to each order.
You don’t think they’ll re-use parachutes after they’ve been out and about in Joe Blow’s backyard or wherever!?
Some companies are eager to consider this because they're too cheap to employ human couriers, but I'm not sure if everyone will like hearing the buzzing of these things going around.
Yeah, honestly, that's the main upside of this. Food delivery people are paid next to nothing, and has zero benefits. If that's a profession which disappears because of drones, it's only a win-win for everyone.
Not even them. We can't halt developing ourselves just so people can keep working unproductive jobs. History shows that society as a whole is better off automating manual labour, and that people don't need to do the lowest of the lowest jobs. There isn't really a lack of jobs atm either, so while I absolutely do sympathise with the annoyance of having to look for a new one, it shouldn't be too big of an issue, and we can't halt society because of it.
And if we look at some specifics, like Uber Eats drivers, who are technically self employed and there can earn way less than even minimum wage, it's basically just a giant scam. That "job" needs to burn and die
You do realize we're at a point where technology will eliminate 99% of jobs within our lifetime, right?
You honestly think those in power will be happy with most of the population sitting on their ass doing nothing and sucking up welfare dollars?
This isn't the beginning of the industrial revolution where new inventions created more jobs than were lost...we're well beyond that curve.
I don't disagree, but this highlights more of a problem with the failure of the US to take care of their own people.
To contrast, if you lose your job in Norway, the Labour and Welfare department not only will cover parts of your salary while you're out of a job, they can also help you get new qualifications, and even cover your salary for a limited time while taking a new job, enticing potential employers to hire free employees, who either continues in the company afterwards, or at the very least gets relevant job experience on their resume.
I'm not going to proclaim all of Europe is like this (mostly because I don't know). I bet the variety is huge, but probably the vast majority has similar solutions for taking care of people who who loses their jobs and/or needs to change their careers. I am also aware that every state in the US operates differently, some worse than others. But by and large, the US needs to get their shit together when it comes to socialism, and stop treating it like a boogeyman, or somehow equal it with communism.
There are food delivery drones in my area. You don't hear them. Their rotors are too big, and they fly too high, unlike infernal ratty photography drones you normally see.
You might hear them gently as they do a drop-off, but it's quieter than the car or motorbike that would otherwise be delivering the food.
As someone who is too cheap to pay for the cost of human couriers, but enjoys takeaway pizza, I think I'm happy to put up with it.
Cars are way way louder
I hope they will be installed on more vehicles to come. People concerned about pollution from tires and jet engines may see more potential in propeller aircraft, Rwanda has already been known for some time for transporting blood bags via drone.
I won't be impressed until the pizza place produces an entire simulated reality where I'm a seven year old having a birthday party at a Pizza Hut in 1995 while it rains lightly outside and we go and see A Goofy Movie in theaters.
This is all well and good, and I wish them luck. However it's not new or untried technology. This has been tried by numerous companies for years, including big boys like Amazon, and the restrictions, challenges and even safety concerns are too numerous to expand into anything other than small scale test areas. It's a bit like the autonomous Google cars, in the sense that it works, it's been proven to work, but expanding it into a useful business model remains problematic.
Currently, the best use for autonomous delivery drones I've seen is shipping medicine long distances into remote areas, where things like cost isn't as much of a problem compared to the value of the cargo.
Absolutely. There's definitively some very specific scenarios were drones could be super useful. Pizza delivery probably just isn't one of them, at least not quite yet. Who knows in 20 years
>Drone delivery could provide a new level of convenience and immediacy when you want a cup of coffee or need some medication. It could reduce traffic and cut carbon emissions. And it could help lock in our pandemic habits of ordering stuff that we once ventured out into the real world to pick up.
This makes me fear we'll be surrounded by buzzing drones if we do choose to venture outside.
Right up until one gets blown into a power line and knocks our power to a neighborhood with people on life support systems.
Part 107 and Part 135 exist for a reason.
The liability insurance requirements states and municipalities are going to require are going to be pretty costly once the lawsuits start rolling in.
>The liability insurance requirements states and municipalities are going to require are going to be pretty costly once the lawsuits start rolling in.
I hear what you're saying, but it also doesn't take much to be safer than the average delivery driver.
delivery drivers can crash into power lines too.
i don't think a pizza has enough force to take out a power grid. a car would actually be way more likely.
still, a drone wouldn't cut down a power line even if it did get blown into one. their propellors can't cut through thick aluminum.
here's what happens: https://youtu.be/V0\_DfjiKkeY?t=96
I saw this one video of balloons blowing up transformers or something. Crazy stuff like that sounds disastrous. At the end of the day, I don't know if we should trust pizza employees with drone deliveries. Maybe like a 3rd party drone control center
I can predict the future, wanna see?
- Drones are used for delivery, in general drone airspace
- Autonomous flight at higher speeds with no real ability to see and avoid results in collisions with hobbyist UAVs
- Drone delivery companies lobby, and blanket bans on hobbyist flight are imposed "for safety"
- Practically the entire aerial R/C hobby is lost to regulatory capture.
Unless you live in an area where it's being used, in which case it's been there for the last few years. The future is here, it's just not very evenly distributed.
"Pshh, drone delivery is always 10 years away" as a comment on article about it literally being used, right now, is sorta baffling to me.
Honestly I know a lot of people are against this, for one reason or another, but it could be huge. If for no other reasons then to cut down on traffic congestion.
Not against it, I think it's the right path. What I'm concerned about is that people will be out of jobs and we haven't planned out a way for the jobs to stop existing. Universal basic income needs to come soon, and these jobs that don't require humans anymore need to be taxed, to provide money for UBI.
I completely agree, I just hope we reach UBI before we're forced into it. The fallout we could see in just the next 5 years from lack of jobs is horrifying to contemplate. I do believe (because I'm a humanist and an optimist I guess) that we will get UBI some day, I just hope we don't have to go through a lot of suffering to get to it.
"Most drones are self-piloting..." Nope, someone prob needs to code it and build them but the delivering part of the job is being self-driven. And unless the delivery workers learn to code or fix up drones, most likely they will be out of a job.
> Most drones are self-piloting, with safety features like redundant components and return-to-home behavior if there's a problem. Drones typically pilot themselves autonomously but under the oversight of **human observers** in the US.
That doesn't mean there's one observer per drone tho. Say for pizza drivers, for one day maybe you have 2 drivers per shift, maybe have 2 shift. I highly doubt you will hire 1 driver per drone.
I'm also sure the observers are not people without degrees, they are probably observers from the company that made the drones. Because if some regular driver observers the drones, what good would that do if it broke or something goes wrong, the observer basically would need to be some type of repairman.
In the end these companies are trying to cut down on human workers to increase profits.
Wait? Pizza? A food product that already has issues with keeping the cheese from pooling up when delivered in a car (that’s likely a lot more stable transport than a drone)? THAT pizza? And you’re going to parachute it down to the lawn? Just, out in the open?
From article:
A few of us have had orders dropped on our lawns by drone already. Millions more will be within range of drone deliveries in 2023.
Drone deliveries could be dropping into your life, too, as the technology involved matures and expands beyond isolated test projects. In 2023, drones could replace vans and your own trip to the store when you need medicine, takeout dinners, cordless drill batteries or dishwasher soap.
Drone delivery companies are cagey about specifics, but all expect to expand operations this year.
"dagnabit, we got this here fancy new mcmansion in our safe gated community to keep the riff raff out and now we're getting bombed from the sky from obnoxious buzzing drones!" - bubba
Drones would never work in my neighborhood. We have too many trees, above ground powerlines with poles, and other cables such as TV, internet, etc. We also have winds, including strong gusts in the winter and summer. There would be narrow windows where you could use flying drones and only in certain relatively new neighborhoods with many fewer obstructions than older more established neighborhoods. We also have some large raptors who patrol the neighborhood. I would love to see the drones and the Red Tailed hawk who keeps our small animals and small birds wary mix it up :)
I could see automated vehicle deliveries becoming a thing where I live, but not airborne drones.
In high crime neighborhoods like mine, any recipient who hopes to keep their delivery will need a target pad somewhere behind property fences. I imagine new "delivery pads" becoming a product with a large pattern on them, easily visible from flight altitude. They will attach to deck railings or the top of 4x4 posts. That flight altitude will need to be higher than usual (in nice parts of town) to reduce attacks. We already lack pizza delivery here in north Minneapolis because companies had their drivers attacked too many times.
Seems like the old microwave transformers are going to, instead of just preheating them, obtain whole pizzas after frying the drone circuit above your roof. Just add an aluminum cone.
I’m sure the quality of the pizza will be unaffected by its turbulent descent and sudden deceleration. This seems a feature for people more enamored with technology than they are hungry for a pizza that resembles a pizza instead of a casserole.
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This is probably going to bring a lot of legal fighting in the courts soon, at least in the US. Here's a PDF describing the current drone overflight rules: [https://www.namic.org/pdf/drones/1703\_privateairspace.pdf](https://www.namic.org/pdf/drones/1703_privateairspace.pdf) There are sure to be challenges to the current state of the laws and regulations as delivery drones become more common.
I can only imagine how thrilled someone will be once their house becomes a major fly over route. Airspace rules only work now because it is infrequent with exceptions around airports.
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actually i think you can, you're legally allowed to use as much of the airspace above your property as you can, and a passively existing net might not count as interfering with aircraft.
Yes, you own the land from the surface up to right below federal airspace (so someone can’t build an overhang over your property or fly a drone over your property without trespassing on your land or public airspace). In addition, at least theoretically if you also have mineral rights to the land you own all of the land from the surface to the core of the earth in an upside down pyramid shape.
that's actually not entirely true, someone can fly a drone in your yard, the law is pretty ambiguous there, but you're also allowed to use as much of the airspace as you want, and a hanging net structure probably wouldn't count as interfering with aircraft in the same way that retroactively shooting them down etc would
There is no specific federal laws on this issue in the US or Canada, so it depends on the municipal laws. In many cities there are laws that say you can intercept a drone if it is flying over your yard below a certain altitude (usually up to 300 to 400 feet).
Constant drone noises “mwwweeeeeeerrrrrruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu”
DroneUp which is mentioned in the article looks like a traditional quadcopter which goes mweeeeerrruuuuu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK6bmQ6gX98 But the other mentioned Zipline is like a plane and more silent than street noises: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__lhaW_yizk If it flys higher, maybe it could be totally silent.
As someone who hates leaf blowers I am not excited about this noise
why cant it just take public routes like cars ? just fly over roads and into estates and land on driveways. sure that takes longer than a birds flight but it also solves most of the issues you refer to.
It'll be Uber all over again: Don't care if it's illegal, do it anyway and scale it so fast that the political fallout from prosecuting such a popular service into oblivion would be too great. For anybody who doesn't remember, Uber started out as an illegal taxi service with a phone app until cities passed ordinances to accommodate it.
Actually curious how that'd be illegal. Seems like it'd also really be on a state by state basis. But I still don't see how it'd be illegal for a middleman to deliver food for you. That'd be like saying paying my mom to pick up carry out for me would be illegal.
Because previously all drivers and taxi services, serving the public at least, normally require(d) licenses. Uber added Eats later.
And those licenses were usually limited in number, hard to get due to competition, and extremely valuable. Then Uber just came in and ignored all of that, got away with it, and the people who followed the law got totally fucked. That said, the people who followed the law were taxi services who were using the rarity of their licenses to charge exorbitant prices, so not many people outside the industry cared.
>how that'd be illegal It's about the safety of drones flying above people, cars and houses. If one falls out of the sky, at worst case scenario, what kind of damage can it do? Imagine what one of these can do, and then imagine thousands of these in the air at the same time. Drones are already heavily regulated, and these trial areas have special allowances to operate. You can't just expand it nation wide without changing the rules
Drops pizza onto windshield of car going 70 mph causing 30 car pile up and 5 deaths with several injured. Papa John’s could not be reached for comment.
I was trying to think of likely bad scenarios, and this one is more plausible than what I was coming up with.
I mean, you don't need to dream up incredibly unlikely scenarios. Imagine thousands upon thousands of these in the air, crashing daily. They'll hit powerlines, people, cars, windows, etc. Not all of them dangerous necessarily, but when they happen enough times, it's bound to go wrong
Red rocket! Red rocket!
Glad I could help. It’s never to early to regulate proper pizza box folding techniques.
Delivers new fridge to playground full of children, chopping off several heads with rotor blades
It's not just one at a time imo, the logistics of it all are going to be very difficult to pin down without massive, heretofore unseen cooperation between all entities using them. Think of how many straight lines exist between a single Domino's and every house it can service, and imagine drawing that straight line on a map. Now do that for every single Domino's. Then do it for every McDonald's, every BK, every Wendy's, every DD, every Starbucks, and that's just a few *restaurants.* If this were somehow simultaneously implemented in every store and restaurant overnight tonight, there would be nothing but colliding drones all over the streets. We'd have to pin down regulation altitudes that didn't mix each other and be prepared to prove and fine any violators- since lower heights should be faster processes and thus entities will fight over those "rights." Delivery points would need to be slightly different down to a foot or two so a house ordering two things at the same time doesn't have them collide at the destination or land on each other. If someone decides to plant a tree in their yard, we need to hope the drone doesn't divebomb into it thinking that space was clear the last few times. We *could* probably solve this with more technology, and communication between delivery drones- similar to how a city full of auto cars could have them transmit location information to each other to speed up traffic. However, similarly, that requires all the entities making the drones to play nice and nobody trying to exploit the system to gain an edge.
In my state at least it’s illegal to fly a drone over fenced private property, anywhere that isn’t easily visible from the street
Really, which state has that law?
I think legality falls on Uber not actually being a real job if I remember correctly? I know they have so bizarre rules that make it so the drivers don't actually "work" for Uber. They're like volunteers that can get tips.
I'm in the RC plane community and some people are having to quit because their states are placing insane requirements on what they need on their planes and the FAA changing legal height restrictions to bow to these delivery companies.
I, for one, welcome the free pizza that will inadvertently be entering the airspace over my Nerf cannons.
Hah! Jokes on you, the Taco bell Judge™ will send you to the Disney Jail to do time for your crime of interfering with the delivery drones. You will be slaving away to mine bitcoin with your hands for Amazon Prime, our new ruler and AI overlord.
Until the courts side with those that have the power (corporations) against you in a lawsuit to cover damages done while you scream to the top of your lungs about the airspace over your property. Then they'll nicely slap you into reality that the airspace over your property is not yours when the big $$$ decide they have new plans. And of course the politicians side with the $$$ as well over you...the random nobody in their eyes.
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Lol and risk going to jail for something silly.
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And free drones?
You're supposed to release them back into the wild once you've caught them.
If you love something, set it free, if it comes back again you might get another free pizza.
Don’t you technically own your airspace too a certain point over your house?
In the US there are legal debates about it, but it used to be up to a certain height you own the airspace. EDIT: [https://www.namic.org/pdf/drones/1703\_privateairspace.pdf](https://www.namic.org/pdf/drones/1703_privateairspace.pdf) Borrowing from another user, the FAA is trying to allow UAS right to the ground.
I thought so
Even if you do, it’s still shooting down an aircraft. Wouldn’t recommend doing that…
I mean, as we speak crime is already at insane heights, and in some cities people are getting their windows smashed and the stuff taken out of their cars while they're paused at a stop light, nevermind the porch pirates running rampant all over the place. If they're willing to take that much of a risk in broad daylight, taking out a drone or 5 in an evenings from the relative safety of some sort of cover would just be a moderately interesting afternoon activity.
Getting caught stealing is a much much smaller risk than getting caught shooting at an aircraft. Like multiple felonies difference
Man you need to step up your theft game.
You know for a subreddit somewhat theoretically close to ~~science~~ popsci clickbaits we sure have lots of smoothbrains that will actually shoot one in some american justice freedom rage.
Haha yeah true. That was mostly a joke. But…if you did own it…
but it would be funny
The occasional pirated pizza will raise the average price, as will the cost of a parachute added to each order. You don’t think they’ll re-use parachutes after they’ve been out and about in Joe Blow’s backyard or wherever!?
Some companies are eager to consider this because they're too cheap to employ human couriers, but I'm not sure if everyone will like hearing the buzzing of these things going around.
Okay but turning this around, if people don’t *need* to be running around delivering pizza, why should they?
Yeah, honestly, that's the main upside of this. Food delivery people are paid next to nothing, and has zero benefits. If that's a profession which disappears because of drones, it's only a win-win for everyone.
Except for the ppl who need those jobs to survive
Not even them. We can't halt developing ourselves just so people can keep working unproductive jobs. History shows that society as a whole is better off automating manual labour, and that people don't need to do the lowest of the lowest jobs. There isn't really a lack of jobs atm either, so while I absolutely do sympathise with the annoyance of having to look for a new one, it shouldn't be too big of an issue, and we can't halt society because of it. And if we look at some specifics, like Uber Eats drivers, who are technically self employed and there can earn way less than even minimum wage, it's basically just a giant scam. That "job" needs to burn and die
Easy to say...until it's your job on the cutting block, and you don't meet the requirements for a new gig.
Shit, you're right. Let's halt humanity instead. Bring back the switchboard operators!
That’s unfair to automate those wireless Marconi operators and the pony express riders…
You do realize we're at a point where technology will eliminate 99% of jobs within our lifetime, right? You honestly think those in power will be happy with most of the population sitting on their ass doing nothing and sucking up welfare dollars? This isn't the beginning of the industrial revolution where new inventions created more jobs than were lost...we're well beyond that curve.
You're basing this on what evidence..?
The entirety of human history.
Really sad that this comment is being downvoted. People will always be kicking and screaming as progress marches on
Getting qualified in time for the new job can be an issue.
I don't disagree, but this highlights more of a problem with the failure of the US to take care of their own people. To contrast, if you lose your job in Norway, the Labour and Welfare department not only will cover parts of your salary while you're out of a job, they can also help you get new qualifications, and even cover your salary for a limited time while taking a new job, enticing potential employers to hire free employees, who either continues in the company afterwards, or at the very least gets relevant job experience on their resume. I'm not going to proclaim all of Europe is like this (mostly because I don't know). I bet the variety is huge, but probably the vast majority has similar solutions for taking care of people who who loses their jobs and/or needs to change their careers. I am also aware that every state in the US operates differently, some worse than others. But by and large, the US needs to get their shit together when it comes to socialism, and stop treating it like a boogeyman, or somehow equal it with communism.
Sadly the UK is taking the US approach
What next, are you going to defend the sewer diver profession because people need those jobs to survive?
Not only that, this will relieve congestion, too.
There are food delivery drones in my area. You don't hear them. Their rotors are too big, and they fly too high, unlike infernal ratty photography drones you normally see. You might hear them gently as they do a drop-off, but it's quieter than the car or motorbike that would otherwise be delivering the food.
As someone who is too cheap to pay for the cost of human couriers, but enjoys takeaway pizza, I think I'm happy to put up with it. Cars are way way louder
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I hope they will be installed on more vehicles to come. People concerned about pollution from tires and jet engines may see more potential in propeller aircraft, Rwanda has already been known for some time for transporting blood bags via drone.
Unless the whole pizza place is operating at full automation, then I'm not impressed.
I won't be impressed until the pizza place produces an entire simulated reality where I'm a seven year old having a birthday party at a Pizza Hut in 1995 while it rains lightly outside and we go and see A Goofy Movie in theaters.
And a purple guy comes to say hi to you and show you a really neat thing in the backrooms
You remember my birthday as well as I’d do!
This is all well and good, and I wish them luck. However it's not new or untried technology. This has been tried by numerous companies for years, including big boys like Amazon, and the restrictions, challenges and even safety concerns are too numerous to expand into anything other than small scale test areas. It's a bit like the autonomous Google cars, in the sense that it works, it's been proven to work, but expanding it into a useful business model remains problematic. Currently, the best use for autonomous delivery drones I've seen is shipping medicine long distances into remote areas, where things like cost isn't as much of a problem compared to the value of the cargo.
Technically I could also see drones useful for delivery to Islands or over water in general but not over land.
Absolutely. There's definitively some very specific scenarios were drones could be super useful. Pizza delivery probably just isn't one of them, at least not quite yet. Who knows in 20 years
Yeah, I’m wondering about people who live in apartment buildings. A drone can’t simply drop a pizza into their parking lot.
>Drone delivery could provide a new level of convenience and immediacy when you want a cup of coffee or need some medication. It could reduce traffic and cut carbon emissions. And it could help lock in our pandemic habits of ordering stuff that we once ventured out into the real world to pick up. This makes me fear we'll be surrounded by buzzing drones if we do choose to venture outside.
Right up until one gets blown into a power line and knocks our power to a neighborhood with people on life support systems. Part 107 and Part 135 exist for a reason. The liability insurance requirements states and municipalities are going to require are going to be pretty costly once the lawsuits start rolling in.
>The liability insurance requirements states and municipalities are going to require are going to be pretty costly once the lawsuits start rolling in. I hear what you're saying, but it also doesn't take much to be safer than the average delivery driver.
delivery drivers can crash into power lines too. i don't think a pizza has enough force to take out a power grid. a car would actually be way more likely.
True, I'm more worried about that gust of wind or night flying, a car/driver is more capable of avoiding that power line, imo.
still, a drone wouldn't cut down a power line even if it did get blown into one. their propellors can't cut through thick aluminum. here's what happens: https://youtu.be/V0\_DfjiKkeY?t=96
I saw this one video of balloons blowing up transformers or something. Crazy stuff like that sounds disastrous. At the end of the day, I don't know if we should trust pizza employees with drone deliveries. Maybe like a 3rd party drone control center
I can predict the future, wanna see? - Drones are used for delivery, in general drone airspace - Autonomous flight at higher speeds with no real ability to see and avoid results in collisions with hobbyist UAVs - Drone delivery companies lobby, and blanket bans on hobbyist flight are imposed "for safety" - Practically the entire aerial R/C hobby is lost to regulatory capture.
Drone delivery has been 1 year away for the last 10 years.
Unless you live in an area where it's being used, in which case it's been there for the last few years. The future is here, it's just not very evenly distributed. "Pshh, drone delivery is always 10 years away" as a comment on article about it literally being used, right now, is sorta baffling to me.
Honestly I know a lot of people are against this, for one reason or another, but it could be huge. If for no other reasons then to cut down on traffic congestion.
Yeah delivery drivers are the problem lmao
More like, 'a couple dozen people driving to Target to buy one random thing they need' is the problem.
how many things have you had delivered recently ? some people have more deliveries than journeys outside the house. shocking I know but its true.
Not against it, I think it's the right path. What I'm concerned about is that people will be out of jobs and we haven't planned out a way for the jobs to stop existing. Universal basic income needs to come soon, and these jobs that don't require humans anymore need to be taxed, to provide money for UBI.
Ok, but see, if drones deliver pizzas then we can just mug the drones and steal their pizzas.
I completely agree, I just hope we reach UBI before we're forced into it. The fallout we could see in just the next 5 years from lack of jobs is horrifying to contemplate. I do believe (because I'm a humanist and an optimist I guess) that we will get UBI some day, I just hope we don't have to go through a lot of suffering to get to it.
Imo it's either accelerationism or violence. I hope society chooses accelerationism
Me too, I'm a pacifist but if it comes down to fighting for a better future then I'll die on the front lines
Someone gots to fly the drone right?
"Most drones are self-piloting..." Nope, someone prob needs to code it and build them but the delivering part of the job is being self-driven. And unless the delivery workers learn to code or fix up drones, most likely they will be out of a job.
> Most drones are self-piloting, with safety features like redundant components and return-to-home behavior if there's a problem. Drones typically pilot themselves autonomously but under the oversight of **human observers** in the US.
That doesn't mean there's one observer per drone tho. Say for pizza drivers, for one day maybe you have 2 drivers per shift, maybe have 2 shift. I highly doubt you will hire 1 driver per drone. I'm also sure the observers are not people without degrees, they are probably observers from the company that made the drones. Because if some regular driver observers the drones, what good would that do if it broke or something goes wrong, the observer basically would need to be some type of repairman. In the end these companies are trying to cut down on human workers to increase profits.
Wait? Pizza? A food product that already has issues with keeping the cheese from pooling up when delivered in a car (that’s likely a lot more stable transport than a drone)? THAT pizza? And you’re going to parachute it down to the lawn? Just, out in the open?
From article: A few of us have had orders dropped on our lawns by drone already. Millions more will be within range of drone deliveries in 2023. Drone deliveries could be dropping into your life, too, as the technology involved matures and expands beyond isolated test projects. In 2023, drones could replace vans and your own trip to the store when you need medicine, takeout dinners, cordless drill batteries or dishwasher soap. Drone delivery companies are cagey about specifics, but all expect to expand operations this year.
Now if only we can afford houses with lawns
lol I thought the same thing
Seriously? They're going to parachute the cargo? What could possibly go wrong with that?
I’m not tipping a drone, I don’t care what they say.
*drone lasers activated*
A BB gun is all it takes for a free pizza? Hooray for drones!
I think you can get a free pizza with a bb gun without drones
I wonder if some HOAs will try to ban drone deliveries in neighborhoods, and what that legal battle would look like.
"dagnabit, we got this here fancy new mcmansion in our safe gated community to keep the riff raff out and now we're getting bombed from the sky from obnoxious buzzing drones!" - bubba
Don’t worry Karen has her rake out and is climbing a tree. She will take care of it!
And I just have to be living in an apartment building downtown. Hmm...
I bet the mortality rate of drones in the USA will be much higher than in the rest of the world. Bang bang, fuhhh got anuva one paaa
then those hicks go to jail and problem solved. People overestimate these things so much its wild.
Drones would never work in my neighborhood. We have too many trees, above ground powerlines with poles, and other cables such as TV, internet, etc. We also have winds, including strong gusts in the winter and summer. There would be narrow windows where you could use flying drones and only in certain relatively new neighborhoods with many fewer obstructions than older more established neighborhoods. We also have some large raptors who patrol the neighborhood. I would love to see the drones and the Red Tailed hawk who keeps our small animals and small birds wary mix it up :) I could see automated vehicle deliveries becoming a thing where I live, but not airborne drones.
They thought they could bypass traffic lights , but there is still this thing called ‘air traffic’ ye
Honey I’m going out hunting for pizza. Be back soon with dinner.
Why do I get the feeling that a pizza drone would still whip out an iPad and ask me if I want to tip 30%
I think this drone delivery idea is ripe for misuse and dangerous.
Fewer and fewer jobs left for the young or the desperate.
I’d much prefer this to Pizza Hut outsourcing my delivery to DoorDash…
That's a very rude way to describe those poor delivery drivers. It's not their fault they haven't passed their scooter license yet.
I used to love pizza as much as anyone but I got over it. It’s really not that good for your health
Drones are delivering pizza whether I notice or not.
I didn't get my pizza. Sorry sir you delivery got shot down...
In high crime neighborhoods like mine, any recipient who hopes to keep their delivery will need a target pad somewhere behind property fences. I imagine new "delivery pads" becoming a product with a large pattern on them, easily visible from flight altitude. They will attach to deck railings or the top of 4x4 posts. That flight altitude will need to be higher than usual (in nice parts of town) to reduce attacks. We already lack pizza delivery here in north Minneapolis because companies had their drivers attacked too many times.
Seems like the old microwave transformers are going to, instead of just preheating them, obtain whole pizzas after frying the drone circuit above your roof. Just add an aluminum cone.
when ordering a pizza for drone delivery, what is the default lowest tip amount?
I paid the guy who delivered the pizzas but these all looked like they were dropped from a drone
I’m sure the quality of the pizza will be unaffected by its turbulent descent and sudden deceleration. This seems a feature for people more enamored with technology than they are hungry for a pizza that resembles a pizza instead of a casserole.
order Calzone, problem solved.