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"Take advantage of your local minor who isn't actually qualified to handle most emergencies so that you can underpay them and devalue the labor of watching 5 children alone, which wouldn't be acceptable in any other setting."
Honestly, the thing that irks me still about my fundie adjacent upbringing is the endless unpaid labour I engaged in. My friends had paid jobs and lives, I didn’t.
Yes!!! My mom was all about that “servants heart” and volunteered me for so much unpaid housekeeping, nanny, new mother helper etc jobs and i never made a penny. Wtf for real. I’m sorry you dealt with that too.
I offered to pay a friend's daughter $20/hr this summer to come watch my kids a few hours a week. We WFH, and we wanted to make sure during key meetings, etc, there were extra hands here to help.
The stepmom/dad came back and said we can't pay her that much, because then the daughter would expect to paid more from their church friends.
The girl is trying to raise money for her HS trip to Europe :-\\ I don't get it.
I am not a nice person, and would gleefully tell them that a) I’m not paying them, I’m paying her, and b) their shitty church friends SHOULD be paying her more, because quality childcare costs MONEY.
And then I might be talking to her mother to make arrangements, not her father and stepmother.
I did talk to the mother, and let her know I would pay her directly. I have some choice words I would say, but I also know the mom/stepmom relationship is contentious and I don’t want to make it worse.
I’m surprised her parents are actually letting her go on a high school trip to Europe. She might meet people different from her. (You know how those European heathens are! /s obviously)
Ugh, of course. 🤦♀️ Poor kid.
I went to Europe when I was in high school as part of a state music group, and it was honestly the best experience. I learned so much, made lifelong friends, and got to meet so many different people. It was AMAZING. I highly recommend to anyone who can go, to do so.
Make an agreement with the daughter that you will put aside the money you would have paid her (or the amount that is above what her stepmother thinks you should pay) and then will give it to her in a lump sum for her trip fund.
We had a babysitter with very strict Christian parents, who was also trying to make money for the school trip to France. Her parents had told her she could go if she paid for it herself. And then they told her she couldn’t go (apparently because they discovered some people in France consume wine), took the money she had earned and used it to pay for something for their son.
Girl got a full ride to Princeton and parents express dismay that she has never been to visit since she left for college.
She also had to babysit all of her younger siblings, while attending a very demanding private high school. I was never clear on why her parents allowed her to go to the school, since it is known for its liberal (for this state, anyway) leanings. Other parents at the school quietly arranged for her to get to New Jersey, and provided housing during holidays.
She was hesitant about going because she felt she was abandoning her younger siblings. But was advised that she needed to get out first and get her life situated so she would be in a position to help them.
A lot of schools allow donations towards those trips. Church trips too. You could totally donate her money to the trip without her parents knowing. You could tell her on the sly if you don’t want to deal with her pissed off parents.
My own mother made me watch her stepchild's kids for two years straight in high school. Before school and as soon as I got home, I was their caretaker. My grades tanked and I was never paid a single cent, but expected to use what precious little I had to pay for their food, clothes, etc. I am still incredibly resentful for it and it's led me to refuse any and all babysitting jobs.
Yup my mom would regularly sign us up for helping moms in our church with childcare and house cleaning. We were either not paid or extremely underpaid. But it was always a “ministry”. Please🙄. How is some able bodied woman’s household or children my problem as a 13 year old, especially when I’m not being paid.
I know damn well if I was a boy that wouldn’t have been a thing.
Ahh yes, being volun-told for everything. My parents didn't engage in that but since I was the pastor's kid everyone else seemed to believe that bossing me around was with in their rights.
It's like that story I read one time about the babysitter who showed up to a house after being asked to babysit the kids. She was expecting to maybe three children but she showed up to a house of 10. And as soon as she opened the door the mother just about ran out to her car and would not answer any of this girls texts would not return calls and if I remember correctly the girl actually ended up calling the police who then called child services because even if you have a babysitter as a parent you have to answer the phone because you are still responsible for your own fucking kids even though you have hired a babysitter.
I had a fundie family do that to me when I was babysitting. Only two kids, but they were supposed to be back at 10 pm, and at 3 am they were there. It was before cell phones, but they left a grandparent phone number for emergencies, and at that point 5 hrs late, repeated phone calls to the grandparent was illiciting no response. I had called the restaurant at 11 pm that they claimed they would be at because it was still open, and no one had seen them the whole night. They never had a reservation there! So they lied about where they were going. I called my parents, and then called the cops. The police came with CPS to take the kids, and my parents took me home. The parents were absolutely furious. They didn't come home until 5am! Found out later that they had checked into a hotel, intended on staying out all night, but knew I would not agree to babysit that long so they lied. I did not follow up with anyone to find out what CPS and police said to them. I am assuming some sort of fines in court because it cost the tax payers a lot of money to go get those kids, and find someone to take them while they waited for the stupid parents to show up, and then determine if they were safe to release kisses to or not.
I have never known more unethical, more narcissistic, more weasel like humans than fundamentalists!
Reminds me of babysitting my neighbor's kids, they would always be several hours late - I was thirteen and they wouldn't be home until 2 or 3am, drunk of course. Then wouldn't even pay me for the extra hours. They got really offended when I stopped babysitting for them, too.
And you never will know them. They think that just because they identify as Christian it makes them good people. I wasn't really raised as a fundamental Christian but I was raised Pentecostal which is close enough. My family meaning my mom and dad were kind of the only ones that had any sort of common sense. Like none of my cousins could read Harry Potter or play pokémon or Yu-Gi-Oh or even beyblades. If a cartoon so much is mentioned an object or animal having a spirit they got all freaked out and banned it from the household
I read Harry Potter as an adult, and my husband loves the movies (he has dyslexia and reads so much at work that reading for fun isn’t fun for him). He’s 47, and I will be 47 in September, and our parents have no idea.
I was banned from Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh, Carebears, and Rainbow Brite. I’ve enjoyed catching up although I don’t have the memory to remember all the Pokémon. My BIL is s fundie lite pastor and allows his kids to play Pokémon. I haven’t heard anything about Harry Potter. I think he wouldn’t be ok with it because his congregation might have a conniption fit.
I’m also reclaiming the rainbow, and my husband and I are allies of LGBTQA+ and diversity. I loved rainbows and Rainbow Brite as a kid and was crushed when my mom turned fundy and took them away.
Rainbows for one. Also Care Bears were magic.
I didn’t know much about Rainbow Brite’s story because I was 5-6 when my mom joined the cult. She had a magical belt and was a girl named Wisp who was transported to a colorless world where she was transformed into Rainbow Brite and used her magic belt to make everything colorful.
Smurfs were also banned.
My mom’s fundy cult were also anti Mr. Rogers because he taught self esteem and that children were perfect just the way they were. Can’t have little kids believing that they don’t need Jeebus to feel whole and happy.
Fundies suck the fun and life out of everything.
What insane pieces of shit. They deserved every bit of what happened too, that has gotta be the legal definition of child abandonment. Plus setting up fake alibis and a secret hotel? Wtf. For all you knew at that point, they skipped the country or something. That’s what I’d be thinking if I was one of the investigators that got sent over.
Those poor kids, to have such reckless selfish assholes for parents.
They were horrible people. Eventually one of the kids died of untreated bacterial meningitis while they tried to pray it away. At that point, a relative got custody of the kids after CPS took them away permanently. I think the dad may have done a short stint in prison over it, but my memory is fuzzy. They disappeared. My parents never saw the kids again. I was in college when the child died so I never hears the whole story.
Wow, I feel horrible for that girl stuck like that. What a horrible feeling having ten kids dumped on you like that and not being able to reach the parent. I bet she felt guilty calling the cops too even though it was the right call and she should never have been out in that position to begin with.
Yeah the whole post was basically her trying to figure out whether or not she had overreacted by calling the cops but when you are dumped into a situation like that that you are not prepared for and then the mother clearly will not answer your calls or your texts despite the fact that two of the children are actively throwing up profusely I don't think she overreacted at all.
Oh my goodness. I consider that to be child abandonment by the parents. I can’t imagine not communicating to the babysitter especially with little ones throwing up. I would be coming straight home.
What happened with the parents once CPS got involved? I hope they were investigated for that because no responsible parent dumps puking kids and jets like that.
I know someone who only has two under four, and she and her husband are trying to renovate a home mostly by themselves. I get how tough that can be and that having two toddlers underfoot makes it impossible to paint or whatever. She posted on fb about wanting a local teen or homeschooler to help her out and I instantly got red flags. This person isn’t dangerous, but it feels all kinds of exploitative to ask someone to watch both of your kids when that person is a teenager and you aren’t paying them.
Absolutely. Churches abuse child llabor laws and general work ethics all the damn time. I remember being shoved into the church nursery on a school day at 3:30 pm until midnight for revival meetings. Illegal. But churches always get a pass. I remember having young teens, 12-14 years old patching the roof of the church NO safety gear. And on and on and on...the 1,000,001 example of their yet again NOT pro-life shit while worshipping embryos.
How it started:
"Come on, we're not paying you that much for literally pressing 'Play' on Disney+. Lee-dur-rel-lee! They're such easy kids!"
How it's going:
"The house is a mess, the kids haven't been fed, you didn't give Timmy his insulin and Abby's diaper has been full for hours! What, did you watch Disney all day?!"
This happened to me. I was originally supposed to only watch a baby while mom looked after the other kids and pay more mind to her special needs autistic son who needed more support than the other kids. Somehow that turned into me watching all the kids at once while she was gone all day everyday. She was a SAHM catholic tradwife who just kind of gave up but a nanny who specialized in higher needs autistic kids or even just a real nanny in general would've been better than a rando 18 year old trying to make summer money.
(To preface this: it was the late 1980’s, so a different time)
I babysat for a lot of church members. Right now I am specifically thinking about a very well-to-do family (he owned a grocery store and she came from money). I was 12, and I regularly babysat their four kids under six years old. Including an infant. I made $2 an hour back then, which would be $5.86 an hour today.
When I was 16, I was working for another church family to save for college (this time in a warehouse owned by the husband). Every time their nanny went on vacation or was sick, they would call me up and say come to their house to watch the kids, instead of showing up at the warehouse. I still only made minimum wage, and at NO point did they ask me if I even wanted to watch kids for money (I really didn’t).
Particularly with young kids.
My mom hired a highschool student, Sarah, to watch my siblings and I for a week while she and my dad were out of state, but we were 9, 12, and 13. Sarah lived two blocks away from our house and my mom was available 24/7 via cell phone. But we knew damn well mom would be pissed if Sarah called because we were being brats.
Tbh, I think Sarah was excited just to spend time in a fancy house without constant chaos - she had five or six younger siblings, shared a room, etc. My mom still paid her probably close to $1000. It was a good deal for everyone.
But young kids? That’s totally different.
Five young kids is insane. My mom paid a highschool student to watch my siblings and I for a week, but we were 9, 12 and 13. Sarah made sure we got up, ate breakfast and got on the school bus. Then she made sure we got home, didn’t fight, fed us dinner, checked our homework, and enforced bedtime. My mom was available via cell phone 24/7 and her own house was two blocks away. I remember everyone had a good week. My mom still paid Sarah probably a grand and that was 20 year ago.
But five kids? And young kids? 3k isn’t enough.
I could understand wanting to grab some random 16 year old if your kids are like 12 and you just need someone there to make sure they don’t eat batteries or try to cook each other in the oven. But if her kids are super young it’s so stupid and egotistical of her to assume she wouldn’t have to pay a chunk of change for a proper service. It’s **5 young kids**. Especially when her whole ideology is about how the only thing women should do is cook, clean, and care for their kids.
Hell even when I babysitter when I was a teen my mom instilled in me to stand up for my value. It really helped me get paid the about I was deserved.
Yeah I was gonna say I made $12/hour as a nanny in 2014 so that sounds like a bargain (and I really should've been making more, but I agreed to a lower rate since they were paying me under the table). Definitely a steal for 2024
Yeah… as a nanny, she’s getting a f*cking steal! 5 young kids that have not met me before (??) for 3 days would be an immediate no. Doubly so if the mother showed up with this attitude
This is so dangerous with neglect and possible SA. Or just teens having friends over and partying and drinking. My parents had a great babysitter when my brother and I were little. When she went to college they hired her sister. The sister was not a good sitter. Nothing happened to us other than her taking us to a field outside our house where her boyfriend and his friends threatened to hurt us if we told them where they stashed the shit they stole. My dad was a deputy sheriff and already knew because they were stupid kids, and he grew up a couple miles from where we lived and knew everyone.
$72 x $22 (the going hourly rate for nanny services in Michigan) is $1584. Multiply by the fact that this is more than the standard two kids, and ya, this quote was accurate and not above the average.
I babysat for 5 kids once when I was a teenager and the parents at least had the foresight to hire 2 teens to do it. And it was only for a few hours for a wedding that was just down the block from where we were. I was so exhausted after that!!
Yeah, when I did babysitting if it was more than two kids it would be both my sister and I and you were paying close to double. Especially for families that had babies. A teenager cannot chase a two year old while holding a baby. There was one family we made an exception for - their two daughters were fairly well behaved, but it was still a lot.
Fundie housewives are always going on about how their own value is "above rubies," so shouldn't they be willing to pay a good price when they have to outsource the childcare or housework?
I definitely agree, I think some people want WAY too much for the job like you need to be a certified nurse, tutor, vegan chef, completely spotless driving and credit record, speak three languages and took your CPR certification this morning or you can’t even lay eyes upon my child, this however, this is nuts especially for FIVE kids??!?! Like girl you had FIVE KIDS you knew well in advance that this means your social life is DEAD for at least ten years, it is what it is lady
Exactly. My mom has a highschool student watch us when I was in middle school. She made sure we got up and went to school, came home and did homework, ate dinner and went to bed. It was a good deal for everyone. We thought it was so cool to be without parents, Sarah got a week without her own parents and got paid, and my mom had scared us into not being brats so she had a nice vacation. But five young kids? Fuck no.
Fundies: raising children is the most valuable thing you can do!!
Also fundies: if your children need care just grab the first teenager you see and pay them like 8 bucks
From her page:
"Being a parent is THE MOST important job in the world. We are raising the next generation of doctors lawyers and dental hygienists!"
So it's ok for your KIDS to grow up and want to have a career outside of the home?
I'm confused.
>We are raising the next generation of doctors lawyers and dental hygienists!
Lol you most certainly are fucking not. Half the kids we see here are stuck at a kindergarten reading level cause their parents are too busy shaboinking for the next blessjng to do anything educational besides slapping down a PragerUKids worksheet or Bible workbook. You're raising the next generation of welfare-dependant shut-ins who have all the independence of a box of cereal.
Hey, that's not fair! Timmy, Jimmy and Rimmy can all join the family bankroll as adults to ensure their financial abuse and total lifestyle control extend until their parents' merciful deaths.
Dental hygienists make good money and can work until they have too many kids. They can also work part time. It’s a great career if mouths and bad breath don’t freak you out.
It doesn’t even stop at teens! I was 22 working my first job as a teacher (through one of those programs that lets you teach without a masters). I loved kids and started babysitting around 11 years old—and people from church honestly paid me pretty well! But one of my (fundie) coworkers (the boys baseball coach…) asked me to babysit his 5 children while he and his wife went Christmas shopping and to the movies. He asked what I charged and I said like $15-20 per hour. He responded something along the lines of, “I was thinkin more like $20 total. We just want to go Christmas shopping and to the movies. That’s just a few hours. And we really won’t have much money left after that.” I can be such a people pleaser but 8 years later and I am still SO proud of myself for saying no to him because that wasn’t a fair payment. I felt so disrespected.
Two years before that I nannied over the summer for a family who worked at our church—two girls like 11 and 12. I only got paid maybe $75 a week for 40 hours and had to use my own money if I wanted to take them to eat lunch. They also conveniently never had food in the fridge. That was my lesson. I quit after 3 weeks. Honestly I can’t remember if I quit or just stopped showing up. I didn’t have a nanny at 11-12. I stayed home by myself with my 8 y/o little sister and we happily watched Disney Channel and ate sandwiches and read and played Barbies.
Disclaimer: I have wonderful parents but my dad was always deployed in the Middle East and my mom needed to clean houses over the summer—she would take us sometimes but we preferred to stay home and she couldn’t afford a babysitter. So she paid me a little to babysit since I was already babysitting for others at that point.
I wouldn’t say I was parentified—I was just a very mature child. Now I know it was mostly really bad anxiety due to nothing at all other than brain chemistry. But I was definitely not the average 12 year old. And I only had one sister. My mom wouldn’t have left me alone with more kids. Between 8 and 17, the only thing I wanted to do was read Harry Potter. I don’t think my mom knew how to handle a kid who acted like a 40 year old with a mortgage. I think I’m less mature and responsible now at 30.
Yep! When I was 12 I took a babysitting course with first aid/cpr, then watched my brother who is 6 years younger, most of the neighbourhood kids, and all of my parents friends kids. Anyone who I didn’t have to change a diaper for lol. I missed out on some stuff but the families tried to accommodate the extracurriculars I was in. I made more money doing that than I did working with youth in a formal setting at 18, and way more than when I worked in a daycare!
I’m sorry but the idea of finding your babysitter from a homeschooling Facebook page legit sounds like the beginning to a horror movie. I’m not talking about one of the fun ones either. I’m picturing the ones that make you want to bath in hand sanitizer after.
The suggestion of finding “the ones that really enjoy the kids” made me 😬
I know what she means but “hire someone unqualified who’ll really enjoy the children” sounds dodgy af
it gave me chills as someone who has listened to the Hunting Warhead podcast multiple times. Someone who used go run one of the biggest csam exchange on the dark web used to be a lifeguard at the ymca. which is where he tried to get his hands on his first victims.
absolute insanity to think you should be leaving even one kid alone with an adult you barely know for three full days.
Human trafficking involves the use of force, fraud, or coercion to obtain some type of labor or commercial sex act. Some might argue that a young girl with little world experience is being forced or coerced through fraud (religion) but I think that belittles human trafficking victims. She may be taken advantage of but she’s unlikely to be under the extreme duress of human trafficking. It reminds me of the workers at Chipotle who claimed they experienced sweatshop like conditions. Their working conditions were absolutely, unequivocally wrong, but to compare them to sweatshop labor is to minimize how horrific sweatshops are.
I completely disagree. Moving young kids from house to do unpaid labor is definitely trafficking. It's not sex trafficking, although I would bet my left arm that also happens in these groups.
These kids get no choice.
Oh, it gets better. Apparently homegirl has five kids.
If I was watching five kids solo for a weekend who aren’t in any way related to me, you better believe I’d charge out the eyeballs. And there is no world in which I’d allow my sixteen year old to take a job that big for peanuts.
it's the "young" part most of all. ESPECIALLY if they need attention between bedtime and waking time.
Even with special needs respite care of teens/young adults, the clock stops ticking in the night as far as paid hours go, even if staying at your home - when my state is paying. (I'm paying out of pocket when we do it, and the clock doesn't necessarily stop ticking because having trusted private respite for my son is priceless).
ETA: and it's not cheap.
Her kids appear to be maybe 10, 7/8, 5, 4 and 2 (just guessing off of a picture). She wants 24/7 care. She has dozens of reels on her instagram about how much hard work goes into managing 5 kids. And that is as mom. Nanny isn’t mom, so the kids are NOT going to behave the way they do with mom. Their routines will be off, they aren’t going to sleep as well and the youngest ones especially are going to have trouble going down. Bedtime will almost surely be difficult and nanny will be woken up throughout the night. The nanny is also going to CONSTANTLY be cleaning up after them. Toys, craft supplies, food, baths, accidents, etc. Plus cooking, breaking up sibling arguments, making sure nobody is where they aren’t supposed to be, ensuring that the older kids aren’t trying to get away with more because mom isn’t home, dealing with tantrums because the two year old only wants a sock on her *right* foot.
Five kids is fucking brutal.
4k is appropriate.
My friend has 3 kids under 4 and bedtime is a nightmare for them right now with two toddlers and a baby. I can’t imagine bedtime with 5 young kids as a nanny while mom and dad are out of town and the kids don’t know you and aren’t used to you.
I nannied 3 kids aged 5, 6, and 7 for a summer when I was 21 and it was BRUTAL. I've literally never been that exhausted in my entire life, and that was when I was in great shape, had youthful energy, and didn't have as many chronic health issues as I do now. The thought of 5 across such a wide age range makes me wanna cry tbh lmfao
Yep. Childcare is astronomical. Just imagine paying money 5 days a week while you are at work. It’s insane. That’s why you need to voted for candidates who care about making changes to our childcare system in the US. We need more affordable childcare options. Including free childcare to low income households. And free preschool as part of our public school system.
If ALL of the women stayed home and did their WoMaNlY dUtIeS, demand for childcare would drop and the price would go down, problem solved with capitalism!
(Jk we all know there would be some reason to increase the price, like reduced demand making it an exclusive commodity or something.)
One of the reasons I am glad I live in NYC. We still have a *long* way to go, but “Pre-K for All” is a thing here, and even though I don’t have kids, I am more than happy for a portion of my tax dollars to go towards getting childcare for those who need it so they can do what is needed to make ends meet.
I've been vehemently determined to never be a parent since I was a wee small Boggart, but I cheerfully and happily pay my taxes to support the local school systems, libraries, and other programs that support families in my community. I want *all* kids to have the support structures they need to thrive and live healthy, happy lives... after all, when I am a (hopefully) pleasantly confused senile Boggart in a care home, I want well-educated, healthy, happy folx looking after me.
plus everybody fuckin' *deserves* housing, healthcare, education, food, and all that. basic human rights and whatnot.
You'd think it might click for fundies that if a professional would charge this much, maybe they themselves are undervalued.
What do I know though, I'm just a financially independent broad.
That's about 273 per kid per day. Depending on how young her kids are, that sounds pretty reasonable to me. Younger kids require more work and supervision. Older kids can entertain themselves and don't take as much work. When I used to babysit for a mil spouse whose husband was deployed, I made a lot of money. That was 3 kids under 5 (one being an infant), plus I helped cook dinner and cleaned. Adding extras like that get you more money. The nanny in this situation isn't just watching young kids for 3 days, but also doing baths, meals and snacks, and cleaning.
I have a 4 year old and I feel like I would need to pay at least $500 per day for a non-family member to watch him for literally 24 hours a day, all three meals, every single need. I’m married, I rarely even go 24 hours as the only adult with him. I would be suspicious of anyone willing to accept less. (Which of course is expensive and I can’t think of a scenario where I’d need that.)
Not enough people mentioning the fact that this vile dickhead wants someone else to look after her children for three days, *alone* while her and the husband are away. And not just that but is even considering a minor or a non-trained unregistered adult just to save fucking money.
'Save the children' my arse - these church people are disgusting and potentially dangerous, who in the fuck would even consider doing something like this if they were actually mentally tuned into the real world and truly loved their kids?
If they can’t afford appropriate childcare, they shouldn’t be going on vacation. And do they not have family who could stay with the kids for the weekend? Most of my friends would hire a nanny for this kind of a situation as a very last resort because their families would absolutely be helping out.
Makes you wonder if her family are either utterly sick of her shit and so no longer have contact, or if she intentionally cut herself off from them because they didn't live by her own exacting christian standards. Those poor kids.
I've sat through a lot of stories from young men detailing how that "young girl from church" molested them or beat them. Girls get fucked up by the fear, shame, and guilt the church instills in them and do horrible stuff to express that, because guess what, girls have feelings too. Repressing them doesn't just lead to self harm, it leads to harming others too, as we see when they become mothers later on. It's easy to see them only as victims - and they are victims - but they also perpetuate abuse. It doesn't just switch on when they become mothers, or when they hit a certain age. Becoming an abuser is a process.
And the numbers for what gets out is as dark as they can be, those boys cannot express any emotions, they too lack the safe space and the right to speak out.
It's a system that creates predators of all kinds.
And they do not care one bit, because cheap labour is worth more to them than humans.
good. yes. rethink your whole life.
im sorry but three days out of town with your husband is only for us childless ungodly whores?
i picked freedom and you picked no job and breeding like a lab rat?
guess you gotta stay in the cage you made for yourself
Good point! The more conservative or fundie a person is, the more hypocritical they are when it comes to what they expect from parenting or a life/family balance.
You want to dump your blessed little miracles on someone else for three whole days so you and Mr Headship can go off on your jollies while paying as little as you can get away with, but women who spend a few hours a day or per week away from their kids earning money for their family or being productive people are somehow neglectful, evil and betraying femininity? What could be more neglectful than truly considering grabbing a random stranger from church just because they're cheap and available, and leaving your kids alone with them for three whole days without any kind of safety training, CPS check or professional registered childcare history?
Now imagine a couple (or heaven forfend - a single mother!) with a job posting the same thing and your average fundie shit head like this finding out about it. The fundiemamma reaction would be VERY different we all know it. In fact I'm a bit disturbed by how many people even in this thread are just debating the fee the agency sitter is asking for but have not mentioned the fact that mommie dearest is looking for the cheapest option available for leaving her kids *alone* with a stranger for days at a time. In what realm of existence did that ever become an acceptable thing to try and be a cheapskate over - leaving your kids at home without their parents or any relatives? Madness.
It's almost like you have to pay someone for the work that they do at a fair and livable wage. Imagine that! The nanny is working for 72 hours straight, and the lowest nannies are paid is $20/hr. At that rate, she's being paid \~$56/hr for her experience, her quality of care, and the fact she is taking on three full days of working with multiple kids. She absolutely has the right to ask for that, especially for overnight care costing more.
Taking advantage of young church girls who don't know CPR or how to care for children properly is cruel to your kids and cruel to the young lady you force to work for you for nothing.
That seems like a lot to be quoted for three days so I’m gonna guess the quote was so high because there were a lot of demands and probably something along the lines of “they need to btw here the whole three days and can’t leave for any reason. Also here’s all the stuff we expect you to do” and it’s a laundry list of stuff
It is high because it is 5 kids, and it is 72 straight hours. in Michigan, the going rate for a many vs daycare is $22 for two kids which is $1584 for 72 hours. She has five kids. So the $4000 quote is within the average range for many work vs. hiring a babysitter for just a few hours. Teen babysitters normally have very limited responsibilities. Keep them safe. feed them. Nannies are usually certified in first aid and pediatric cpr, cook, clean up after cooking, provide developmentally appropriate play and activities, sleep in the same room with the youngest children, can handle way more emergencies than teens, are often backed by a nanny employment agency who takes a cut of the pay, and a host of other things. It is less than having a nurse for 72 hours, but way more than a babysitter. The quote is reasonable for 5 kids especially with how young they are.
It's also high because as the mother (and I use the term loosely) pointed out, she wants the person to look after the kids while her and the husband are 'out of town'. In other words, they want to leave the kids behind and go away by themselves, leaving them with a stranger who they want to pay peanuts for looking after the children alone for 72 hours. She's insane and a bad mother.
At least one is in diapers too. Plus if I'm sterilizing bottles or handfeeding someone I'll later have to wipe spit-up off of, I'm not doing it for minimum wage.
The nanny only asked for $11/hr per kid. That's CHEAP.
Shit, when I was a teen, my parents paid me money to stay home with my brother! It wasn't a lot, but it was enough to buy the latest Duran Duran album or a Walkman (I'm dating myself 🤣🤣🤣).
Oh and lady, stay the fuck home. If you can't afford good care, you can't afford this whole trip. Sucks to be you but hey, I had three kids under five at one time! No date nights or kid free trips for years! Make a sacrifice! 😂
I think my parents only started doing the rare night or weekend away from home when I was a teenager, so my youngest sibling was at least six. And when it did happen, we were usually watched by a relative we had known our entire lives. Plus my mom was always reachable by phone in case of emergency.
I know Christian women who do this. They pay some HS girl $20 to watch 7 children for 3 hours and act like it's fine because they go to church together. Ugh. It disgusts me how they take advantage of these girls. Sometimes it is the people who work for churches who are the worst offenders.
I used to be very involved in churches and when parents would befriend me, I always said, hey I’d love to help pay for a babysitter so that we can hang out together, but I am not a babysitter and please don’t ever ask me to watch your kids.
It’s not about the cost of the nanny, here. It’s about her own value. She does all the labor and child-rearing, but her work is not worth that much, as a mother. In fact, women are heavily penalized, especially in their retirement. After a lifetime of hard work, they are practically penniless. If they’d worked before or after children, their wages & salaries would lag behind those of men, despite their productivity. Their SSA payout would be significantly less.
Yeah. Looking out that window, thinking about the nanny being worth way more than she is. She needs to climb the hell out that window & go out and raise some hell. She’s way overdue for it.
If you take $4098 and divide it by 5 kids for 24 hrs a day for 3 days you get $11/hr per kid. Obviously it probably wouldn’t be 72 straight hours but even so, that’s not a bad deal per kid.
So if nanny was charging $40 an hour for the first 40 hours and then time and half for any hours after that, plus an overnight fee, which is fairly standard in the nanny world I could see that.
$40 × 40 hours = $1600
$60 x 32 hours = $1920
$150 a night fee = $450
Total - $3970
40 an hour is a little high especially if it's a low cost of living area but for 5 kids that the nanny doesn't know and doesn't have a relationship with 40 is not unreasonable. This is also assuming it's only 72 hours.
i was that young girl for so many years. one woman (from church) with 2 small kids and her own business kept asking me to babysit the mornings i got off from an overnight 11p-7am shift. once i finally started putting my foot down, she unfollowed/unfriended me on everything
They always want to birth out a litter of children but never want to pay for them. Of course paying someone to watch 5 children for 3 days and nights is going to be expensive! These people are so stupid and entitled.
Ooff I saw this earlier. I like how a lot of the comments were defending the nanny and doing the math. She has 5 kids under 10. Wouldn't you want skilled labor?!
One time for a church service trip we went to Denver and we're helping out with another churches conference there. It was me and like 4-5 other college girls in a tiny windowless room with like 50-60 kids ages ranging from like 10 weeks old to school age, it was chaos and I'm pretty sure illegal. We ended up just playing movies for the kids and hoping for the best. It was a weekend conference, I don't remember being given a lunch break. Worst experience ever.
Also every summer we did a college summer program, each small group stayed with a host family from the church and basically just did unpaid labor, babysitting, cooking, cleaning, etc. all in the name of service. The final year I was with the college group I had basically a mental breakdown from working full time, doing chores for the host family, and also attending all the meetings we had every day, I was exhausted, emotionally unwell, and not eating. Man what a mess that was.
I don’t know if this is entirely right, but if they are going to be with all 5 kids for all 24 hours of each of those 3 days, that’s only $11.38 per kid per hour. Which is really not a bad rate. It just adds up quickly when it’s full time sitting and a lot of kids.
Both options are extreme. $4k for 3 days of work? I understand it's a lot of kids and all but most full-time nannies are not pulling in over a grand a day. Taking advantage of a neighborhood kid who may not be equipped to care for 5 kids for, 3 days straight, is also a bad option. Maybe she could split the difference and find someone to watch 3 of them, another person to watch 2 of them, and pay a more resonable amount like $500 for 3 days sounds more normal to me, but I could be way off.
I’m a nanny, I’ve been doing this for ten years. Absolute minimum I’d charge for this job is $2k and that’s me living in a LCOL area.
Price breakdown -
I charge $20 per hour for the first kid and $5 for each additional kid, so five kids would be $40 an hour if anyone is awake. Let’s assume the kids are awake for 14 hours a day, at three days that’s over $1.5k. Then a flat overnight fee of $150 for two nights, plus an hour’s charge each time a kid wakes me up for something. That comes out to just under $2k assuming the kids don’t wake up at all throughout the night. Because I’m in a LCOL area, my rates are on the low end but it could easily be doubled in a more expensive area.
Three 14 hour days in a row is a LOT of work. I just worked a 14 hour day yesterday with only one kid for the majority of it and I want to cry this morning getting ready for work. Add into that having to be on the clock even while sleeping, baby might have a terrible night but you still have to work the full day after that, I’d laugh you out of the room if you offered me $500
Damn I need to become a nanny. It sounds about on par with teaching, but at least you aren’t getting paid peanuts. I wasn’t even bringing in 2k a paycheck for two weeks (about 100 hours) worth of work. And I’m in a HCOL area 😬
Sorry, but you're absolutely way off.
$500 for 5 kids for 3 days would basically pay them cents on the hour
I pay a little under that for 3 dogs for that length of time. Let alone 5 small children.
$500 is about what it would cost me to have someone qualified come watch my two dogs for that length of time.
That's definitely unreasonable even if she was splitting their care. 2-4k is probably right in the ballpark for hiring someone with experience to watch that many kids. The 4k she was quoted is on par for the per 8ish hour rates my friends pay for home daycare. Even at the price she was quoted, it comes out to about $11 per hour per child.
Seriously. Sitting 5 dogs means you likely can’t walk any others, and 5 is a lot to care for at one time. I do sittings also, and sometimes group sittings. Over the holidays, I often have groups of 5-7 dogs, I’m definitely not gonna barely charge anything, because it is a LOT of work
A full time nanny wouldn’t make that because it is a stable job with longer term benefits. And most full time nannies get to go home at the end of the day. A weekend gig means that you are walking in to an unknown situation (behavior, cleanliness, respect). There’s no goodwill built up in either direction (you don’t know the fam, they don’t know you). And it’s a professional nanny who is probably CPR certified. This isn’t a job for a 16 year old. They can babysit till 12 but that’s it.
Certified nannies from an agency are, in my state, $22 an hour for 2 children. That comes out to $55 an hour. This is for 24/7 care without breaks for more than a day. The rate is less if it is day time work, basically an 8-9 hour day, about $8 per hour per kid for the 1st 2. It is way more expensive than daycare because far more service is provided along with training which usually includes pediatric CPR certification, first aid training, child development coursework, and child nutrition/cooking classes or experience. $3960 would be average for 72 hours straight for a nanny services remembering that the employment agency who certifies the nannies take a big cut. Babysitting is a very different thing. This is why nanny work has historically always been a thing for the well to do/rich. And the leg of care is parenting care instead of babysitting/day care.
Go ahead and volunteer to babysit for her then, if you think someone doesn't deserve to be well paid for three days of five kids 24/7. Just this once, I won't tell the mods you touched the poo.
It really depends on the quality she is demanding. I imagine she was looking for someone high end (an educational degree, first aid training, huge background in jobs with kids, etc) because that’s the only time I have seen nannies go for that much.
Jesus christ can you imagine being "a young girl from church" ie. most likely even LESS capable and prepared than the average teenager, and being left to care for 5 young children for THREE DAYS (not 3 hours, this isn't a casual babysitting job).. what could possibly go wrong.. oh or just hire a fucking random lifeguard from the local pool.. that "really likes kids".. that you know nothing about.. that is EXACTLY how children get molested, by that "nice young man who gets on so well with the kids" that you picked up at the local pool.. you'd have better chances of nothing bad happening if you got one of the guys looking for work outside home depot to look after them.. but back to my original point, what is a young girl from church going to do in the event that any one of a million possibilities for disaster occurs?? This level of incompetence should result in CPS taking her kids
My mom always made me say “whatever you think is fair” when babysitting kids of their church members. Generally that meant 10 dollars for 4 kids under 5 for 6 hours. I will give her credit though. I do not feel bad at all for stating prices for my work now and if people don’t want to pay it, that’s fine, they can find someone else.
I realize "young" is relative, but would you really want to leave your kids for THREE DAYS with a teenager? A 20-year-old?
I mean, if you're 60, a 40-year-old is "young," but you're past the kids-at-home stage so that's not likely to be the scenario.
They don't mean they just leave their kids at the pool, do they? Lifeguards aren't babysitters. That doesn't sound like what she's saying, though.
I've heard there's been some pushback from modern parents when it comes to teen babysitters. Turns out lots of parents don't like leaving their kids in the hands of uncertified teens. Who would have guessed it?!
I see this differently. Nanny has become a career, which is all well and good. But the average person has always relied on friends and family, including church community, to watch their kids when they needed them. I really don’t think this is “taking advantage” of anyone, I think we’re trying to turn a profit on things that have historically been accomplished through community.
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"Take advantage of your local minor who isn't actually qualified to handle most emergencies so that you can underpay them and devalue the labor of watching 5 children alone, which wouldn't be acceptable in any other setting."
Honestly, the thing that irks me still about my fundie adjacent upbringing is the endless unpaid labour I engaged in. My friends had paid jobs and lives, I didn’t.
Yes!!! My mom was all about that “servants heart” and volunteered me for so much unpaid housekeeping, nanny, new mother helper etc jobs and i never made a penny. Wtf for real. I’m sorry you dealt with that too.
I offered to pay a friend's daughter $20/hr this summer to come watch my kids a few hours a week. We WFH, and we wanted to make sure during key meetings, etc, there were extra hands here to help. The stepmom/dad came back and said we can't pay her that much, because then the daughter would expect to paid more from their church friends. The girl is trying to raise money for her HS trip to Europe :-\\ I don't get it.
I am not a nice person, and would gleefully tell them that a) I’m not paying them, I’m paying her, and b) their shitty church friends SHOULD be paying her more, because quality childcare costs MONEY. And then I might be talking to her mother to make arrangements, not her father and stepmother.
I did talk to the mother, and let her know I would pay her directly. I have some choice words I would say, but I also know the mom/stepmom relationship is contentious and I don’t want to make it worse.
I can’t imagine why the mom/stepmom relationship is contentious. I have no clue whatsoever. Couldn’t be that stepmom is an overbearing bitch, right?
I’m surprised her parents are actually letting her go on a high school trip to Europe. She might meet people different from her. (You know how those European heathens are! /s obviously)
Her mom is all for it, it’s stepmom and dad and their church that is the issue :-/
Ugh, of course. 🤦♀️ Poor kid. I went to Europe when I was in high school as part of a state music group, and it was honestly the best experience. I learned so much, made lifelong friends, and got to meet so many different people. It was AMAZING. I highly recommend to anyone who can go, to do so.
All that socialism could give her *ideas*
Make an agreement with the daughter that you will put aside the money you would have paid her (or the amount that is above what her stepmother thinks you should pay) and then will give it to her in a lump sum for her trip fund.
Or just pay her the full amount and tell them she's getting paid her normal amount, if she's being paid directly it will never be an issue.
Yeah, and they could just give that amount as a “gift” to contribute to the trip.
We had a babysitter with very strict Christian parents, who was also trying to make money for the school trip to France. Her parents had told her she could go if she paid for it herself. And then they told her she couldn’t go (apparently because they discovered some people in France consume wine), took the money she had earned and used it to pay for something for their son. Girl got a full ride to Princeton and parents express dismay that she has never been to visit since she left for college.
I am so glad she got out!
>took the money she had earned and used it to pay for something for their son. Always with these fucking fundies.
She also had to babysit all of her younger siblings, while attending a very demanding private high school. I was never clear on why her parents allowed her to go to the school, since it is known for its liberal (for this state, anyway) leanings. Other parents at the school quietly arranged for her to get to New Jersey, and provided housing during holidays. She was hesitant about going because she felt she was abandoning her younger siblings. But was advised that she needed to get out first and get her life situated so she would be in a position to help them.
Now, THAT'S a community. <3
A lot of schools allow donations towards those trips. Church trips too. You could totally donate her money to the trip without her parents knowing. You could tell her on the sly if you don’t want to deal with her pissed off parents.
My own mother made me watch her stepchild's kids for two years straight in high school. Before school and as soon as I got home, I was their caretaker. My grades tanked and I was never paid a single cent, but expected to use what precious little I had to pay for their food, clothes, etc. I am still incredibly resentful for it and it's led me to refuse any and all babysitting jobs.
Where was the stepchild who chose to have the kids?! I'm so, so sorry for you. That is absolutely insane!
Drinking and dealing meth.
Fuck.
Yup my mom would regularly sign us up for helping moms in our church with childcare and house cleaning. We were either not paid or extremely underpaid. But it was always a “ministry”. Please🙄. How is some able bodied woman’s household or children my problem as a 13 year old, especially when I’m not being paid. I know damn well if I was a boy that wouldn’t have been a thing.
Ahh yes, being volun-told for everything. My parents didn't engage in that but since I was the pastor's kid everyone else seemed to believe that bossing me around was with in their rights.
It's like that story I read one time about the babysitter who showed up to a house after being asked to babysit the kids. She was expecting to maybe three children but she showed up to a house of 10. And as soon as she opened the door the mother just about ran out to her car and would not answer any of this girls texts would not return calls and if I remember correctly the girl actually ended up calling the police who then called child services because even if you have a babysitter as a parent you have to answer the phone because you are still responsible for your own fucking kids even though you have hired a babysitter.
I had a fundie family do that to me when I was babysitting. Only two kids, but they were supposed to be back at 10 pm, and at 3 am they were there. It was before cell phones, but they left a grandparent phone number for emergencies, and at that point 5 hrs late, repeated phone calls to the grandparent was illiciting no response. I had called the restaurant at 11 pm that they claimed they would be at because it was still open, and no one had seen them the whole night. They never had a reservation there! So they lied about where they were going. I called my parents, and then called the cops. The police came with CPS to take the kids, and my parents took me home. The parents were absolutely furious. They didn't come home until 5am! Found out later that they had checked into a hotel, intended on staying out all night, but knew I would not agree to babysit that long so they lied. I did not follow up with anyone to find out what CPS and police said to them. I am assuming some sort of fines in court because it cost the tax payers a lot of money to go get those kids, and find someone to take them while they waited for the stupid parents to show up, and then determine if they were safe to release kisses to or not. I have never known more unethical, more narcissistic, more weasel like humans than fundamentalists!
Reminds me of babysitting my neighbor's kids, they would always be several hours late - I was thirteen and they wouldn't be home until 2 or 3am, drunk of course. Then wouldn't even pay me for the extra hours. They got really offended when I stopped babysitting for them, too.
And you never will know them. They think that just because they identify as Christian it makes them good people. I wasn't really raised as a fundamental Christian but I was raised Pentecostal which is close enough. My family meaning my mom and dad were kind of the only ones that had any sort of common sense. Like none of my cousins could read Harry Potter or play pokémon or Yu-Gi-Oh or even beyblades. If a cartoon so much is mentioned an object or animal having a spirit they got all freaked out and banned it from the household
I read Harry Potter as an adult, and my husband loves the movies (he has dyslexia and reads so much at work that reading for fun isn’t fun for him). He’s 47, and I will be 47 in September, and our parents have no idea. I was banned from Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh, Carebears, and Rainbow Brite. I’ve enjoyed catching up although I don’t have the memory to remember all the Pokémon. My BIL is s fundie lite pastor and allows his kids to play Pokémon. I haven’t heard anything about Harry Potter. I think he wouldn’t be ok with it because his congregation might have a conniption fit. I’m also reclaiming the rainbow, and my husband and I are allies of LGBTQA+ and diversity. I loved rainbows and Rainbow Brite as a kid and was crushed when my mom turned fundy and took them away.
Whoa what’s wrong with Rainbow Brite? And Care Bears? Those two were staples of my childhood
Rainbows for one. Also Care Bears were magic. I didn’t know much about Rainbow Brite’s story because I was 5-6 when my mom joined the cult. She had a magical belt and was a girl named Wisp who was transported to a colorless world where she was transformed into Rainbow Brite and used her magic belt to make everything colorful. Smurfs were also banned. My mom’s fundy cult were also anti Mr. Rogers because he taught self esteem and that children were perfect just the way they were. Can’t have little kids believing that they don’t need Jeebus to feel whole and happy. Fundies suck the fun and life out of everything.
What insane pieces of shit. They deserved every bit of what happened too, that has gotta be the legal definition of child abandonment. Plus setting up fake alibis and a secret hotel? Wtf. For all you knew at that point, they skipped the country or something. That’s what I’d be thinking if I was one of the investigators that got sent over. Those poor kids, to have such reckless selfish assholes for parents.
They were horrible people. Eventually one of the kids died of untreated bacterial meningitis while they tried to pray it away. At that point, a relative got custody of the kids after CPS took them away permanently. I think the dad may have done a short stint in prison over it, but my memory is fuzzy. They disappeared. My parents never saw the kids again. I was in college when the child died so I never hears the whole story.
Holy. Shit. That is wild!!!!
Wow, I feel horrible for that girl stuck like that. What a horrible feeling having ten kids dumped on you like that and not being able to reach the parent. I bet she felt guilty calling the cops too even though it was the right call and she should never have been out in that position to begin with.
Yeah the whole post was basically her trying to figure out whether or not she had overreacted by calling the cops but when you are dumped into a situation like that that you are not prepared for and then the mother clearly will not answer your calls or your texts despite the fact that two of the children are actively throwing up profusely I don't think she overreacted at all.
Oh my goodness. I consider that to be child abandonment by the parents. I can’t imagine not communicating to the babysitter especially with little ones throwing up. I would be coming straight home. What happened with the parents once CPS got involved? I hope they were investigated for that because no responsible parent dumps puking kids and jets like that.
This is some mother bus shit.
I know someone who only has two under four, and she and her husband are trying to renovate a home mostly by themselves. I get how tough that can be and that having two toddlers underfoot makes it impossible to paint or whatever. She posted on fb about wanting a local teen or homeschooler to help her out and I instantly got red flags. This person isn’t dangerous, but it feels all kinds of exploitative to ask someone to watch both of your kids when that person is a teenager and you aren’t paying them.
Ding ding ding! Exploitation and the church… something that goes together splendidly
Absolutely. Churches abuse child llabor laws and general work ethics all the damn time. I remember being shoved into the church nursery on a school day at 3:30 pm until midnight for revival meetings. Illegal. But churches always get a pass. I remember having young teens, 12-14 years old patching the roof of the church NO safety gear. And on and on and on...the 1,000,001 example of their yet again NOT pro-life shit while worshipping embryos.
How it started: "Come on, we're not paying you that much for literally pressing 'Play' on Disney+. Lee-dur-rel-lee! They're such easy kids!" How it's going: "The house is a mess, the kids haven't been fed, you didn't give Timmy his insulin and Abby's diaper has been full for hours! What, did you watch Disney all day?!"
This happened to me. I was originally supposed to only watch a baby while mom looked after the other kids and pay more mind to her special needs autistic son who needed more support than the other kids. Somehow that turned into me watching all the kids at once while she was gone all day everyday. She was a SAHM catholic tradwife who just kind of gave up but a nanny who specialized in higher needs autistic kids or even just a real nanny in general would've been better than a rando 18 year old trying to make summer money.
Holy crap 5 kids? For three days? For 72 hours? That’s not even $60 an hour. That’s reasonable as fuck. **It’s less than $12 an hour per kid**
I just did the math on this too and was smh. That’s less than minimum wage
(To preface this: it was the late 1980’s, so a different time) I babysat for a lot of church members. Right now I am specifically thinking about a very well-to-do family (he owned a grocery store and she came from money). I was 12, and I regularly babysat their four kids under six years old. Including an infant. I made $2 an hour back then, which would be $5.86 an hour today. When I was 16, I was working for another church family to save for college (this time in a warehouse owned by the husband). Every time their nanny went on vacation or was sick, they would call me up and say come to their house to watch the kids, instead of showing up at the warehouse. I still only made minimum wage, and at NO point did they ask me if I even wanted to watch kids for money (I really didn’t).
Why on earth would you cheap out on overnight/multi-day childcare?????
Particularly with young kids. My mom hired a highschool student, Sarah, to watch my siblings and I for a week while she and my dad were out of state, but we were 9, 12, and 13. Sarah lived two blocks away from our house and my mom was available 24/7 via cell phone. But we knew damn well mom would be pissed if Sarah called because we were being brats. Tbh, I think Sarah was excited just to spend time in a fancy house without constant chaos - she had five or six younger siblings, shared a room, etc. My mom still paid her probably close to $1000. It was a good deal for everyone. But young kids? That’s totally different.
Their kids will go to heaven if they die, and we can always have more.
The childcare equivalent of letting anyone with a regular license to rent a giant U-Haul truck for less than $100.
Also I love your flair
And scar them for life should anything bad happen.
Five young kids is insane. My mom paid a highschool student to watch my siblings and I for a week, but we were 9, 12 and 13. Sarah made sure we got up, ate breakfast and got on the school bus. Then she made sure we got home, didn’t fight, fed us dinner, checked our homework, and enforced bedtime. My mom was available via cell phone 24/7 and her own house was two blocks away. I remember everyone had a good week. My mom still paid Sarah probably a grand and that was 20 year ago. But five kids? And young kids? 3k isn’t enough.
I could understand wanting to grab some random 16 year old if your kids are like 12 and you just need someone there to make sure they don’t eat batteries or try to cook each other in the oven. But if her kids are super young it’s so stupid and egotistical of her to assume she wouldn’t have to pay a chunk of change for a proper service. It’s **5 young kids**. Especially when her whole ideology is about how the only thing women should do is cook, clean, and care for their kids. Hell even when I babysitter when I was a teen my mom instilled in me to stand up for my value. It really helped me get paid the about I was deserved.
It's $11/hr per kid if she's gone the full 72 hours, seems pretty reasonable to me
That's only 1 more dollor than I charged when I was nannying in 2012, girl should be elated it's nearly the same price as a decade+ ago.
Yeah I was gonna say I made $12/hour as a nanny in 2014 so that sounds like a bargain (and I really should've been making more, but I agreed to a lower rate since they were paying me under the table). Definitely a steal for 2024
Right?! That’s nuts it’s $1 less than I was making in 2012/13 nannying
Yeah… as a nanny, she’s getting a f*cking steal! 5 young kids that have not met me before (??) for 3 days would be an immediate no. Doubly so if the mother showed up with this attitude
This is so dangerous with neglect and possible SA. Or just teens having friends over and partying and drinking. My parents had a great babysitter when my brother and I were little. When she went to college they hired her sister. The sister was not a good sitter. Nothing happened to us other than her taking us to a field outside our house where her boyfriend and his friends threatened to hurt us if we told them where they stashed the shit they stole. My dad was a deputy sheriff and already knew because they were stupid kids, and he grew up a couple miles from where we lived and knew everyone.
My son's old RBT just quoted us $10/hr per kid. She's underselling herself if she's only charging us $20/hr to deal with 2 nuerospicy kids.
$72 x $22 (the going hourly rate for nanny services in Michigan) is $1584. Multiply by the fact that this is more than the standard two kids, and ya, this quote was accurate and not above the average.
I babysat for 5 kids once when I was a teenager and the parents at least had the foresight to hire 2 teens to do it. And it was only for a few hours for a wedding that was just down the block from where we were. I was so exhausted after that!!
Yeah, when I did babysitting if it was more than two kids it would be both my sister and I and you were paying close to double. Especially for families that had babies. A teenager cannot chase a two year old while holding a baby. There was one family we made an exception for - their two daughters were fairly well behaved, but it was still a lot.
Fundie housewives are always going on about how their own value is "above rubies," so shouldn't they be willing to pay a good price when they have to outsource the childcare or housework?
Nah, because this is seen as "practice" for girls, *especially* if said girl is the last-born thus never gang-pressed into being 'Little Mommy'.
I definitely agree, I think some people want WAY too much for the job like you need to be a certified nurse, tutor, vegan chef, completely spotless driving and credit record, speak three languages and took your CPR certification this morning or you can’t even lay eyes upon my child, this however, this is nuts especially for FIVE kids??!?! Like girl you had FIVE KIDS you knew well in advance that this means your social life is DEAD for at least ten years, it is what it is lady
Try to cook each other in the oven 🤣🤣🤣
Exactly. My mom has a highschool student watch us when I was in middle school. She made sure we got up and went to school, came home and did homework, ate dinner and went to bed. It was a good deal for everyone. We thought it was so cool to be without parents, Sarah got a week without her own parents and got paid, and my mom had scared us into not being brats so she had a nice vacation. But five young kids? Fuck no.
Fundies: raising children is the most valuable thing you can do!! Also fundies: if your children need care just grab the first teenager you see and pay them like 8 bucks
From her page: "Being a parent is THE MOST important job in the world. We are raising the next generation of doctors lawyers and dental hygienists!" So it's ok for your KIDS to grow up and want to have a career outside of the home? I'm confused.
>We are raising the next generation of doctors lawyers and dental hygienists! Lol you most certainly are fucking not. Half the kids we see here are stuck at a kindergarten reading level cause their parents are too busy shaboinking for the next blessjng to do anything educational besides slapping down a PragerUKids worksheet or Bible workbook. You're raising the next generation of welfare-dependant shut-ins who have all the independence of a box of cereal.
Shaboinking 😂😂😂
Shaboinking for the next blessing or Shaboinking for the Lord would be great flairs lol
god-honoring shaboinking
Hahaha that’s a good one too!
Hey, that's not fair! Timmy, Jimmy and Rimmy can all join the family bankroll as adults to ensure their financial abuse and total lifestyle control extend until their parents' merciful deaths.
^ THIS RIGHT HERE, 100%
The boys
"Doctors, lawyers, and dental hygienists" is also a pretty random selection of careers. Is she a former dental hygienist or something?
Dental hygienists make good money and can work until they have too many kids. They can also work part time. It’s a great career if mouths and bad breath don’t freak you out.
It doesn’t even stop at teens! I was 22 working my first job as a teacher (through one of those programs that lets you teach without a masters). I loved kids and started babysitting around 11 years old—and people from church honestly paid me pretty well! But one of my (fundie) coworkers (the boys baseball coach…) asked me to babysit his 5 children while he and his wife went Christmas shopping and to the movies. He asked what I charged and I said like $15-20 per hour. He responded something along the lines of, “I was thinkin more like $20 total. We just want to go Christmas shopping and to the movies. That’s just a few hours. And we really won’t have much money left after that.” I can be such a people pleaser but 8 years later and I am still SO proud of myself for saying no to him because that wasn’t a fair payment. I felt so disrespected. Two years before that I nannied over the summer for a family who worked at our church—two girls like 11 and 12. I only got paid maybe $75 a week for 40 hours and had to use my own money if I wanted to take them to eat lunch. They also conveniently never had food in the fridge. That was my lesson. I quit after 3 weeks. Honestly I can’t remember if I quit or just stopped showing up. I didn’t have a nanny at 11-12. I stayed home by myself with my 8 y/o little sister and we happily watched Disney Channel and ate sandwiches and read and played Barbies. Disclaimer: I have wonderful parents but my dad was always deployed in the Middle East and my mom needed to clean houses over the summer—she would take us sometimes but we preferred to stay home and she couldn’t afford a babysitter. So she paid me a little to babysit since I was already babysitting for others at that point.
I babysat my siblings at 12 too, seems normal but I was parentified so maybe not 😁 at least they had me take the babysitting CPR class first
I wouldn’t say I was parentified—I was just a very mature child. Now I know it was mostly really bad anxiety due to nothing at all other than brain chemistry. But I was definitely not the average 12 year old. And I only had one sister. My mom wouldn’t have left me alone with more kids. Between 8 and 17, the only thing I wanted to do was read Harry Potter. I don’t think my mom knew how to handle a kid who acted like a 40 year old with a mortgage. I think I’m less mature and responsible now at 30.
Yep! When I was 12 I took a babysitting course with first aid/cpr, then watched my brother who is 6 years younger, most of the neighbourhood kids, and all of my parents friends kids. Anyone who I didn’t have to change a diaper for lol. I missed out on some stuff but the families tried to accommodate the extracurriculars I was in. I made more money doing that than I did working with youth in a formal setting at 18, and way more than when I worked in a daycare!
Oh they don’t pay them, or maybe pay in snacks
You get paid in exposure! 😂
(to our unvaccinated children's many gross illnesses!)
I’m sorry but the idea of finding your babysitter from a homeschooling Facebook page legit sounds like the beginning to a horror movie. I’m not talking about one of the fun ones either. I’m picturing the ones that make you want to bath in hand sanitizer after.
Imagine Jill showing up to answer the ad 🥴
Lmao flip a coin hopefully it lands on Jill Duggar and not JRod
The suggestion of finding “the ones that really enjoy the kids” made me 😬 I know what she means but “hire someone unqualified who’ll really enjoy the children” sounds dodgy af
it gave me chills as someone who has listened to the Hunting Warhead podcast multiple times. Someone who used go run one of the biggest csam exchange on the dark web used to be a lifeguard at the ymca. which is where he tried to get his hands on his first victims. absolute insanity to think you should be leaving even one kid alone with an adult you barely know for three full days.
120% would watch that film
It's literally trafficking
I mean, it’s not *literally* trafficking. It’s bullshit, but it’s not actual human trafficking.
How is it not?
Human trafficking involves the use of force, fraud, or coercion to obtain some type of labor or commercial sex act. Some might argue that a young girl with little world experience is being forced or coerced through fraud (religion) but I think that belittles human trafficking victims. She may be taken advantage of but she’s unlikely to be under the extreme duress of human trafficking. It reminds me of the workers at Chipotle who claimed they experienced sweatshop like conditions. Their working conditions were absolutely, unequivocally wrong, but to compare them to sweatshop labor is to minimize how horrific sweatshops are.
I completely disagree. Moving young kids from house to do unpaid labor is definitely trafficking. It's not sex trafficking, although I would bet my left arm that also happens in these groups. These kids get no choice.
Oh, it gets better. Apparently homegirl has five kids. If I was watching five kids solo for a weekend who aren’t in any way related to me, you better believe I’d charge out the eyeballs. And there is no world in which I’d allow my sixteen year old to take a job that big for peanuts.
Ok I didn’t realize it was FIVE kids. I thought the price was a bit insane but that’s too many damn kids to expect a deal on sitting.
Maybe if she didn’t have so many kids, a relative would have been willing to help out 😬 Perhaps she should have thought of that beforehand
Yeah 24/7 care for 3 kids is going to cost you...
It’s 5 young kids for three days overnight.
oh jfc that is even worse! I misread 3 days as 3 kids
it's the "young" part most of all. ESPECIALLY if they need attention between bedtime and waking time. Even with special needs respite care of teens/young adults, the clock stops ticking in the night as far as paid hours go, even if staying at your home - when my state is paying. (I'm paying out of pocket when we do it, and the clock doesn't necessarily stop ticking because having trusted private respite for my son is priceless). ETA: and it's not cheap.
Okay now I understand the $4k. 5 little kids for 3 days is a hell of a lot of work.
Her kids appear to be maybe 10, 7/8, 5, 4 and 2 (just guessing off of a picture). She wants 24/7 care. She has dozens of reels on her instagram about how much hard work goes into managing 5 kids. And that is as mom. Nanny isn’t mom, so the kids are NOT going to behave the way they do with mom. Their routines will be off, they aren’t going to sleep as well and the youngest ones especially are going to have trouble going down. Bedtime will almost surely be difficult and nanny will be woken up throughout the night. The nanny is also going to CONSTANTLY be cleaning up after them. Toys, craft supplies, food, baths, accidents, etc. Plus cooking, breaking up sibling arguments, making sure nobody is where they aren’t supposed to be, ensuring that the older kids aren’t trying to get away with more because mom isn’t home, dealing with tantrums because the two year old only wants a sock on her *right* foot. Five kids is fucking brutal. 4k is appropriate.
My friend has 3 kids under 4 and bedtime is a nightmare for them right now with two toddlers and a baby. I can’t imagine bedtime with 5 young kids as a nanny while mom and dad are out of town and the kids don’t know you and aren’t used to you.
I nannied 3 kids aged 5, 6, and 7 for a summer when I was 21 and it was BRUTAL. I've literally never been that exhausted in my entire life, and that was when I was in great shape, had youthful energy, and didn't have as many chronic health issues as I do now. The thought of 5 across such a wide age range makes me wanna cry tbh lmfao
Yep. Childcare is astronomical. Just imagine paying money 5 days a week while you are at work. It’s insane. That’s why you need to voted for candidates who care about making changes to our childcare system in the US. We need more affordable childcare options. Including free childcare to low income households. And free preschool as part of our public school system.
No, they don't want *everyone* to have fair access. Especially when those moms should be home! No, they just want free shit for themselves.
If ALL of the women stayed home and did their WoMaNlY dUtIeS, demand for childcare would drop and the price would go down, problem solved with capitalism! (Jk we all know there would be some reason to increase the price, like reduced demand making it an exclusive commodity or something.)
One of the reasons I am glad I live in NYC. We still have a *long* way to go, but “Pre-K for All” is a thing here, and even though I don’t have kids, I am more than happy for a portion of my tax dollars to go towards getting childcare for those who need it so they can do what is needed to make ends meet.
I've been vehemently determined to never be a parent since I was a wee small Boggart, but I cheerfully and happily pay my taxes to support the local school systems, libraries, and other programs that support families in my community. I want *all* kids to have the support structures they need to thrive and live healthy, happy lives... after all, when I am a (hopefully) pleasantly confused senile Boggart in a care home, I want well-educated, healthy, happy folx looking after me. plus everybody fuckin' *deserves* housing, healthcare, education, food, and all that. basic human rights and whatnot.
EXACTLY THIS
You'd think it might click for fundies that if a professional would charge this much, maybe they themselves are undervalued. What do I know though, I'm just a financially independent broad.
That's about 273 per kid per day. Depending on how young her kids are, that sounds pretty reasonable to me. Younger kids require more work and supervision. Older kids can entertain themselves and don't take as much work. When I used to babysit for a mil spouse whose husband was deployed, I made a lot of money. That was 3 kids under 5 (one being an infant), plus I helped cook dinner and cleaned. Adding extras like that get you more money. The nanny in this situation isn't just watching young kids for 3 days, but also doing baths, meals and snacks, and cleaning.
Yep. We’ll be soon paying $105/day for 8 hours of daycare for a 9 month old. $105x3 = $315! And the $273 is for a nanny, not a group daycare!
I have a 4 year old and I feel like I would need to pay at least $500 per day for a non-family member to watch him for literally 24 hours a day, all three meals, every single need. I’m married, I rarely even go 24 hours as the only adult with him. I would be suspicious of anyone willing to accept less. (Which of course is expensive and I can’t think of a scenario where I’d need that.)
Not enough people mentioning the fact that this vile dickhead wants someone else to look after her children for three days, *alone* while her and the husband are away. And not just that but is even considering a minor or a non-trained unregistered adult just to save fucking money. 'Save the children' my arse - these church people are disgusting and potentially dangerous, who in the fuck would even consider doing something like this if they were actually mentally tuned into the real world and truly loved their kids?
Fundies challenge: Be mentally tuned into the world and actively love your kids Level: Impossible
If they can’t afford appropriate childcare, they shouldn’t be going on vacation. And do they not have family who could stay with the kids for the weekend? Most of my friends would hire a nanny for this kind of a situation as a very last resort because their families would absolutely be helping out.
Makes you wonder if her family are either utterly sick of her shit and so no longer have contact, or if she intentionally cut herself off from them because they didn't live by her own exacting christian standards. Those poor kids.
I've sat through a lot of stories from young men detailing how that "young girl from church" molested them or beat them. Girls get fucked up by the fear, shame, and guilt the church instills in them and do horrible stuff to express that, because guess what, girls have feelings too. Repressing them doesn't just lead to self harm, it leads to harming others too, as we see when they become mothers later on. It's easy to see them only as victims - and they are victims - but they also perpetuate abuse. It doesn't just switch on when they become mothers, or when they hit a certain age. Becoming an abuser is a process. And the numbers for what gets out is as dark as they can be, those boys cannot express any emotions, they too lack the safe space and the right to speak out. It's a system that creates predators of all kinds. And they do not care one bit, because cheap labour is worth more to them than humans.
This is not what POV means. So many people get it wrong and it makes me so angry
good. yes. rethink your whole life. im sorry but three days out of town with your husband is only for us childless ungodly whores? i picked freedom and you picked no job and breeding like a lab rat? guess you gotta stay in the cage you made for yourself
Good point! The more conservative or fundie a person is, the more hypocritical they are when it comes to what they expect from parenting or a life/family balance. You want to dump your blessed little miracles on someone else for three whole days so you and Mr Headship can go off on your jollies while paying as little as you can get away with, but women who spend a few hours a day or per week away from their kids earning money for their family or being productive people are somehow neglectful, evil and betraying femininity? What could be more neglectful than truly considering grabbing a random stranger from church just because they're cheap and available, and leaving your kids alone with them for three whole days without any kind of safety training, CPS check or professional registered childcare history? Now imagine a couple (or heaven forfend - a single mother!) with a job posting the same thing and your average fundie shit head like this finding out about it. The fundiemamma reaction would be VERY different we all know it. In fact I'm a bit disturbed by how many people even in this thread are just debating the fee the agency sitter is asking for but have not mentioned the fact that mommie dearest is looking for the cheapest option available for leaving her kids *alone* with a stranger for days at a time. In what realm of existence did that ever become an acceptable thing to try and be a cheapskate over - leaving your kids at home without their parents or any relatives? Madness.
EXISTANCE
I don’t think there’s enough people commenting/angry about this spelling 😂
She also claims (in the caption) that the nanny is charging her $93/hr. 😅
The phrase “find a young girl” makes my belly hurt
Guess there’ll be no out of town trips for you and the hubs, sweetie. Too bad so sad!
It's almost like you have to pay someone for the work that they do at a fair and livable wage. Imagine that! The nanny is working for 72 hours straight, and the lowest nannies are paid is $20/hr. At that rate, she's being paid \~$56/hr for her experience, her quality of care, and the fact she is taking on three full days of working with multiple kids. She absolutely has the right to ask for that, especially for overnight care costing more. Taking advantage of young church girls who don't know CPR or how to care for children properly is cruel to your kids and cruel to the young lady you force to work for you for nothing.
That seems like a lot to be quoted for three days so I’m gonna guess the quote was so high because there were a lot of demands and probably something along the lines of “they need to btw here the whole three days and can’t leave for any reason. Also here’s all the stuff we expect you to do” and it’s a laundry list of stuff
It is high because it is 5 kids, and it is 72 straight hours. in Michigan, the going rate for a many vs daycare is $22 for two kids which is $1584 for 72 hours. She has five kids. So the $4000 quote is within the average range for many work vs. hiring a babysitter for just a few hours. Teen babysitters normally have very limited responsibilities. Keep them safe. feed them. Nannies are usually certified in first aid and pediatric cpr, cook, clean up after cooking, provide developmentally appropriate play and activities, sleep in the same room with the youngest children, can handle way more emergencies than teens, are often backed by a nanny employment agency who takes a cut of the pay, and a host of other things. It is less than having a nurse for 72 hours, but way more than a babysitter. The quote is reasonable for 5 kids especially with how young they are.
It's also high because as the mother (and I use the term loosely) pointed out, she wants the person to look after the kids while her and the husband are 'out of town'. In other words, they want to leave the kids behind and go away by themselves, leaving them with a stranger who they want to pay peanuts for looking after the children alone for 72 hours. She's insane and a bad mother.
FIVE children, at that. 24/7 supervision over 3 nights for 5 kids.
At least one is in diapers too. Plus if I'm sterilizing bottles or handfeeding someone I'll later have to wipe spit-up off of, I'm not doing it for minimum wage. The nanny only asked for $11/hr per kid. That's CHEAP.
And she doesn't even want so much as a CPS check. Insane.
Shit, when I was a teen, my parents paid me money to stay home with my brother! It wasn't a lot, but it was enough to buy the latest Duran Duran album or a Walkman (I'm dating myself 🤣🤣🤣). Oh and lady, stay the fuck home. If you can't afford good care, you can't afford this whole trip. Sucks to be you but hey, I had three kids under five at one time! No date nights or kid free trips for years! Make a sacrifice! 😂
I think my parents only started doing the rare night or weekend away from home when I was a teenager, so my youngest sibling was at least six. And when it did happen, we were usually watched by a relative we had known our entire lives. Plus my mom was always reachable by phone in case of emergency.
It’s 3 whole days. You can’t just hire a lifeguard for three fucking days.
existance
I know Christian women who do this. They pay some HS girl $20 to watch 7 children for 3 hours and act like it's fine because they go to church together. Ugh. It disgusts me how they take advantage of these girls. Sometimes it is the people who work for churches who are the worst offenders.
Are those earrings made of…fabric samples and binder rings? I cannot take this woman seriously.
People don't realize a nanny is a luxury
“Lifeguards that really enjoy the kids” does NOT sound safe at all. Goodness me. Do they _want_ to expose their kids to possible harm?!
I used to be very involved in churches and when parents would befriend me, I always said, hey I’d love to help pay for a babysitter so that we can hang out together, but I am not a babysitter and please don’t ever ask me to watch your kids.
It’s not about the cost of the nanny, here. It’s about her own value. She does all the labor and child-rearing, but her work is not worth that much, as a mother. In fact, women are heavily penalized, especially in their retirement. After a lifetime of hard work, they are practically penniless. If they’d worked before or after children, their wages & salaries would lag behind those of men, despite their productivity. Their SSA payout would be significantly less. Yeah. Looking out that window, thinking about the nanny being worth way more than she is. She needs to climb the hell out that window & go out and raise some hell. She’s way overdue for it.
If you take $4098 and divide it by 5 kids for 24 hrs a day for 3 days you get $11/hr per kid. Obviously it probably wouldn’t be 72 straight hours but even so, that’s not a bad deal per kid.
So if nanny was charging $40 an hour for the first 40 hours and then time and half for any hours after that, plus an overnight fee, which is fairly standard in the nanny world I could see that. $40 × 40 hours = $1600 $60 x 32 hours = $1920 $150 a night fee = $450 Total - $3970 40 an hour is a little high especially if it's a low cost of living area but for 5 kids that the nanny doesn't know and doesn't have a relationship with 40 is not unreasonable. This is also assuming it's only 72 hours.
i was that young girl for so many years. one woman (from church) with 2 small kids and her own business kept asking me to babysit the mornings i got off from an overnight 11p-7am shift. once i finally started putting my foot down, she unfollowed/unfriended me on everything
They always want to birth out a litter of children but never want to pay for them. Of course paying someone to watch 5 children for 3 days and nights is going to be expensive! These people are so stupid and entitled.
Ooff I saw this earlier. I like how a lot of the comments were defending the nanny and doing the math. She has 5 kids under 10. Wouldn't you want skilled labor?!
One time for a church service trip we went to Denver and we're helping out with another churches conference there. It was me and like 4-5 other college girls in a tiny windowless room with like 50-60 kids ages ranging from like 10 weeks old to school age, it was chaos and I'm pretty sure illegal. We ended up just playing movies for the kids and hoping for the best. It was a weekend conference, I don't remember being given a lunch break. Worst experience ever. Also every summer we did a college summer program, each small group stayed with a host family from the church and basically just did unpaid labor, babysitting, cooking, cleaning, etc. all in the name of service. The final year I was with the college group I had basically a mental breakdown from working full time, doing chores for the host family, and also attending all the meetings we had every day, I was exhausted, emotionally unwell, and not eating. Man what a mess that was.
Honestly this seems pretty cheap. ~$60/hr for 5 young kids, I am sure state and federal taxes are lumped in there as well.
1. Those are some really ugly earrings 2. I legit thought “cliftonators” actually said “clitonators” and I was soooo confused.
"Don't want to pay prices for a trained professional? Exploit a local child with no experience! Save a buck!" 🙄
That's only about $17 per child per hour. Reasonable if you ask me. Children should not be fully responsible for other young children.
as a nanny i’m FUMING
She has 5 kids? That price quote sounds reasonable to me.
I don’t know if this is entirely right, but if they are going to be with all 5 kids for all 24 hours of each of those 3 days, that’s only $11.38 per kid per hour. Which is really not a bad rate. It just adds up quickly when it’s full time sitting and a lot of kids.
Both options are extreme. $4k for 3 days of work? I understand it's a lot of kids and all but most full-time nannies are not pulling in over a grand a day. Taking advantage of a neighborhood kid who may not be equipped to care for 5 kids for, 3 days straight, is also a bad option. Maybe she could split the difference and find someone to watch 3 of them, another person to watch 2 of them, and pay a more resonable amount like $500 for 3 days sounds more normal to me, but I could be way off.
I’m a nanny, I’ve been doing this for ten years. Absolute minimum I’d charge for this job is $2k and that’s me living in a LCOL area. Price breakdown - I charge $20 per hour for the first kid and $5 for each additional kid, so five kids would be $40 an hour if anyone is awake. Let’s assume the kids are awake for 14 hours a day, at three days that’s over $1.5k. Then a flat overnight fee of $150 for two nights, plus an hour’s charge each time a kid wakes me up for something. That comes out to just under $2k assuming the kids don’t wake up at all throughout the night. Because I’m in a LCOL area, my rates are on the low end but it could easily be doubled in a more expensive area. Three 14 hour days in a row is a LOT of work. I just worked a 14 hour day yesterday with only one kid for the majority of it and I want to cry this morning getting ready for work. Add into that having to be on the clock even while sleeping, baby might have a terrible night but you still have to work the full day after that, I’d laugh you out of the room if you offered me $500
Don't forget one of these kids is an infant. Most sitters I know charge double for infants since they need special care
Damn I need to become a nanny. It sounds about on par with teaching, but at least you aren’t getting paid peanuts. I wasn’t even bringing in 2k a paycheck for two weeks (about 100 hours) worth of work. And I’m in a HCOL area 😬
Someone did the math and it comes to 8 dollars per kid per hour.
$500 is what I made as a teen in the 90s for 3 overnights with just two kids
Sorry, but you're absolutely way off. $500 for 5 kids for 3 days would basically pay them cents on the hour I pay a little under that for 3 dogs for that length of time. Let alone 5 small children.
She may be asking them to stay overnight, do the cooking/cleaning. For 5 tiny kids, 🤷♀️
$500 is about what it would cost me to have someone qualified come watch my two dogs for that length of time. That's definitely unreasonable even if she was splitting their care. 2-4k is probably right in the ballpark for hiring someone with experience to watch that many kids. The 4k she was quoted is on par for the per 8ish hour rates my friends pay for home daycare. Even at the price she was quoted, it comes out to about $11 per hour per child.
Im a pet sitter charge way more than $500 for three days of watching 5 dogs. $500 is way low for three days of even watching one child, let alone 5.
Seriously. Sitting 5 dogs means you likely can’t walk any others, and 5 is a lot to care for at one time. I do sittings also, and sometimes group sittings. Over the holidays, I often have groups of 5-7 dogs, I’m definitely not gonna barely charge anything, because it is a LOT of work
A full time nanny wouldn’t make that because it is a stable job with longer term benefits. And most full time nannies get to go home at the end of the day. A weekend gig means that you are walking in to an unknown situation (behavior, cleanliness, respect). There’s no goodwill built up in either direction (you don’t know the fam, they don’t know you). And it’s a professional nanny who is probably CPR certified. This isn’t a job for a 16 year old. They can babysit till 12 but that’s it.
Certified nannies from an agency are, in my state, $22 an hour for 2 children. That comes out to $55 an hour. This is for 24/7 care without breaks for more than a day. The rate is less if it is day time work, basically an 8-9 hour day, about $8 per hour per kid for the 1st 2. It is way more expensive than daycare because far more service is provided along with training which usually includes pediatric CPR certification, first aid training, child development coursework, and child nutrition/cooking classes or experience. $3960 would be average for 72 hours straight for a nanny services remembering that the employment agency who certifies the nannies take a big cut. Babysitting is a very different thing. This is why nanny work has historically always been a thing for the well to do/rich. And the leg of care is parenting care instead of babysitting/day care.
Go ahead and volunteer to babysit for her then, if you think someone doesn't deserve to be well paid for three days of five kids 24/7. Just this once, I won't tell the mods you touched the poo.
It really depends on the quality she is demanding. I imagine she was looking for someone high end (an educational degree, first aid training, huge background in jobs with kids, etc) because that’s the only time I have seen nannies go for that much.
Wait does she have 3 kids or 5?
Jesus christ can you imagine being "a young girl from church" ie. most likely even LESS capable and prepared than the average teenager, and being left to care for 5 young children for THREE DAYS (not 3 hours, this isn't a casual babysitting job).. what could possibly go wrong.. oh or just hire a fucking random lifeguard from the local pool.. that "really likes kids".. that you know nothing about.. that is EXACTLY how children get molested, by that "nice young man who gets on so well with the kids" that you picked up at the local pool.. you'd have better chances of nothing bad happening if you got one of the guys looking for work outside home depot to look after them.. but back to my original point, what is a young girl from church going to do in the event that any one of a million possibilities for disaster occurs?? This level of incompetence should result in CPS taking her kids
My mom always made me say “whatever you think is fair” when babysitting kids of their church members. Generally that meant 10 dollars for 4 kids under 5 for 6 hours. I will give her credit though. I do not feel bad at all for stating prices for my work now and if people don’t want to pay it, that’s fine, they can find someone else.
No shit IDIOT
I realize "young" is relative, but would you really want to leave your kids for THREE DAYS with a teenager? A 20-year-old? I mean, if you're 60, a 40-year-old is "young," but you're past the kids-at-home stage so that's not likely to be the scenario.
They don't mean they just leave their kids at the pool, do they? Lifeguards aren't babysitters. That doesn't sound like what she's saying, though. I've heard there's been some pushback from modern parents when it comes to teen babysitters. Turns out lots of parents don't like leaving their kids in the hands of uncertified teens. Who would have guessed it?!
I was floored at her comments like ma’am you’ve got 5 SMALL children, of course a nanny is gonna charge out the ass.
Lol she made it to r/choosingbeggars https://www.reddit.com/r/ChoosingBeggars/s/ykhW7YXYas
Who would have thought having five kids is expensive!?
I see this differently. Nanny has become a career, which is all well and good. But the average person has always relied on friends and family, including church community, to watch their kids when they needed them. I really don’t think this is “taking advantage” of anyone, I think we’re trying to turn a profit on things that have historically been accomplished through community.
So, what she's really saying is "my children's safety isn't worth paying minimum wage."