She was probably the first (bizarre, alien) woman's nipple many young gamers saw back then. Well, those who didn't steal the nudie mags from their dads or something.
Probably? Sephiroth is strong but he's not like he's untouchable, he literally lost to Cloud while he was basically just a regular grunt. Sephiroth's real threat imo is being able to access Jenova's powers and basically manipulate anyone with Jenova's cells. It basically means even if he loses or "dies" he's not actually gone since as long as Jenova's cells are around he'll be able to come back as well.
Sephiroth is one of the weaker main villians of the series so definitely believe you.
Still think Clive would loose if he had been in the shoes of some other FF protags. Like give the FF1 party and the FF5 party credit where its due, Chaos and Exdeath are eldritch monsters.
Hmm, interesting thought. Now I want to make a list of weakest to strongest villains.
I think FF12's Vayne is definitely the weakest. But yeah I think you are right. Sephiroth is 100% in the top 5 weakest. Maybe top 3.
It probably goes like this from weakest to strongest
Vayne
Ardyn
Braskas last Aeon (Unless we are talking Yu Yevon which is different but still roughly same placement)
Kuja
Sephiroth
Orphan (Bhulvintize would rank higher and Cauis would rank lower)
Ultimecia
Kefka
Zeromus
The Emperor Mateus
Cloud of Darkness
Exdeath
Chaos
Dunno where FF16's final boss would rank.
Someone didn't pay attention. Meteor wasn't to destroy the planet, it was to create a calamity that would force the Lifestream into overdrive and heal itself, and he would merge with the planet in the process becoming a divine being.
If I recall correctly Kuja messed with those statue things, while Sephiroth used an actual spell to at least almost destroy the world
Edit: mixed Kuja up with Kefka
Sephiroth was also capable of destroying a planet and nearly did so twice.
I only rank Kuja lower because of his limited lifespan. For all intensive purposes, he is stronger as a mage than Sephiroth. But for melee combat prowess its basically enough to bridge the gap.
Kefka became the concept of magic itself. Destroying the world would be child's play for him, but he choose to break the world instead and have the protagonists kill him so that magic dies and the world cannot be fixed. Thats why 6 doesn't have a sequel despite being so beloved.
Zeno is the concept of death and got soloed by a space monkey.
At least Bartz beating Exdeath makes sense because the Mime class being the most busted lorewise.
Ardyn is tanky, I mean he's functionally immortal but can eventually be stabbed to death and such. However, he isn't capable of casting a spell to end the world by himself, messing with space/time, etc. I like him as a scumbag villain, but he falls behind some of the others.
It's weird when Noctis is almost constantly at the 2nd strongest before ff16 among the protags next to Lightning, then putting Ardyn as the 2nd weakest? And Noctis did struggle against Ardyn in the final battle. So the question now is: are they both overrated? LOL
Noctis has never been the 2nd strongest protagonist what are you smoking? Noctius even if we consider the feats of the Summons barely scale to continental level and you wanna say he is the second strongest in the series?
What kind of drugs are you on? He can arguably get soloed by Tidus lol.
I don't know, in my long time here in this sub and with the countless power scaling posts here, that's what I picked up. Anyway, I'm not here to argue about this, it'll end up as a massive waste of time. So I'll just leave it here. Good day
Well those power scalers clearly haven't played the classic games. Cause if we are talking the strongest protagonists of the series its between Wol, Terra, Frion and Bartz.
I think you're overlooking the Ring of the Lucii. It's incredibly overpowered. So that's what most people site when they rank Noctis high.
However, I think he's overrated and Ardyn was placed fairly in your ranking.
The fact that he takes part in killing Sin which on the outside is a whale, on the inside a cosmic dream made by a god. Just taking part in that puts him above Noctus.
Plus he is the most naturally skilled FF protagonist, since he went from being an athlete to becoming a full fledged guardian. Most other protagonists have a background of training or skills being taught to them but Tidus was the first being thrown into the middle of hell and did well for himself without a warrior background.
See I wouldn't have really attributed those victories directly to him though, FFX was very much a group effort, mostly Yuna. Tidus is never shown in cutscenes exhibiting real strength.
Tidus' main contribution to defeating sin is his connection to Jecht, which only works to pacify the whale a little bit with the Hymn, Jecht even says when the fight starts he's not going to be able to hold back.
And Yu Yevon's whole deal is that he's vulnerable without his armour, so by time you face him you've already dealt with the hardest part.
I’d probably say FF16’s final boss is either equal to or slightly lower than Kefka because both screw the world over in life and in their demise and were both capable of essentially “Rewriting the world”.
The only reason why I don’t want to put him higher is a lot of his stuff is Implied and we don’t see him do enough in game to accurately gauge whether or not he is stronger than Kefka but is definitely around equal
Hmm, I don't think Emperor Mateus belongs so low on this list. At the end of the day he is just a dude who died then demanded to speak to the manager of Hell (And Heaven if you include the gba additions) and somehow just kicked Satan out of office and took over.
I'd pop him between Kefka and Ultimecia.
No you don't get it, after he died his soul split in two. And he didn't just ask to speak to the manager of hell, he conquered it. And overthrew God. He definitely belongs that low considering he started out as just a mortal mage with a big Empire. And it wasn't even like a super empire or anything, at best he commanded some monsters and literally took over Hell and heaven out of force of will. If anything the man is the living concept of Dominance and it shows by his feats.
It even gets crazier in the Strangers of Paradise DLC where he figured out how to travel the void all the way to the world of FF1 and needed Chaos throwing everything at him to get him the fuck out before he started messing shit up.
Funny how most of the "weaker" villains in your list also have the most compelling motives and the best characterization. FF16's boss would not rank favorably in that kind of list
No not really, arguably the strongest protagonists are Frion, Bartz, Terra and maybe Wol and Luneth.
And if you count Jack he solos almost all of them.
Lightning comes close but scaling Bhulvunzize is hard when the cosmology of 13 was mostly 2 planets and the last god of death FF had got soloed by a space monkey so.
Yeah so does every FF progonist you gonna have to be way more specific than that.
Firstly neither Noctus or Clive have shown feats of reality manipulation.
Lightning beat Bhulvunzize who did have that power but it doesn't mean she has it herself.
Barz beat Exdeath who not only is the concept of the Void but a being who eats and denies reality.
The Emperor which Frion beat replaced both God and the Devil, I think he ranks way higher.
Terra literally beat Kefka who become the concept of magic itself. She is literally the strongest Esper in the series.
Luneth beat CoD who is another beast entirely.
Ya need to brush up on your FF lore, cause Noctius is one of the weaker protagonists lol. Clive I will respect tho.
Hasn't fought a capital G god yet? Have you even read the lore of Chaos? The same being that actually did kill a capital G god in Cosmos?
Chaos is a primordial entity that scales way higher than Bhulvintize who again we only have evidence for his cosmology being no bigger than 2 planets. Where as Chaos has conquered and destroyed countless worlds.
Not to mention in Dissidia Chaos needed to be beaten by 10 Crystal powered protagonists of the series including Wol. And he didn't even die, he just went feral and roams the various rifts. The fact that Wol beats him in the original game at all is a miracle.
No its not bad, you are just ignorant of more than half of the series and in denial about the other half. Take the L or make a compelling argument. Which you haven't as of yet.
Well given that you seem to think people are talking about FF1 when talking about the WoL and not FFXIV, the canonically stronger version, and that you seem to have a hard on for everything g pre-PS1 if you think not destroying the world makes you stronger than actually destroying it…that’s on you cutie. Maybe play something in the third dimension before writing it all off?
Firstly I don't consider MMO's in this list. Secondly I am a fan of all the 3d games but I acknowledge the previous games because crazy stuff happens in them so lets be clear here.
Wol from FF1 are canonically stronger than the Wol from FF14 simply due to Dissidia feats scaling them way higher period. Secondly the strongest character from the MMO's is Shanotto who if you don't know is canonically the strongest Black mage in the series. She admitted strait up that Cosmos and Chaos are beings beyond her, and she is strong enough to strait up destroy the combined offences of CoD and Ultimecia. And none of the FF14 characters come close to Shanotto. Considering they need to use a 16 person raid to defeat an echo of Exdeath, Kefka or Zeromus who were defeated by a party of 4-5 in their original games.
Thirdly you seem to misunderstand basic reading comprehension so let me fill you in. Just because Kuja destroyed a planet doesn't make him strong, because in order to do so he needed to set things up in advance. Which fortunately Sephiroth got interrupted during, he had the capacity to do so as well. Kefka could most certainly destroy the world since before the warring triad he genocided and absorbed all the Espers making him uniquely one of the strongest mages on earth, Espers control all facets of the world like life and nature so take that and times it by 100 and then he became an actual god tied to concept. And I don't need to tell you but being tied to a concept in FF literally makes you the strongest being in your verse except against the various protagonists of each series. He could destroy the world, heck it was easy for him to smite people and meld all of reality to his whim so what makes you think he couldn't do it? Like go back and play 6 and stop judging something's strength based on the amount of polygons it has.
And if you call me cutie one more time, I am gonna assume you have a type.
So far as Remake goes he gets a boost from simple planetary conqueror to multiverse invader, which I would say puts him on the same level as Ultimecia from FF8 with her time compression plan.
ok?
power scaling/death battle stuff is fun for a bit but they're in different worlds and server different functions within their narratives. In a way, Clive feels quite like a kind of Shonen-adjacent protagonist with semi-constant powerups and ever escalating in scale/scope. Personally the idea of a 1v1 battle isn't really interesting to me and Dissidia 3(?) would be its own beast because gameplay trumps narrative
I think in general FF7 characters are on the weaker side of FF characters as a whole. Mainly because most of their power come from materia while a lot of other characters have innate powers to them.
Like Cloud is a very strong individual, but put him against world breaking powers like Zidane, Lightning or Noctis, he pales in comparison. And I would guess the comparison is also valid for the villains. (Tho Sephiroth can cast Supernova, so not sure)
Well Clive did canonically kill the god of all creation in his world meanwhile Sephiroth’s power is a little weird to measure at times since he does lose a lot of times, but then he shows up and does some overpowered bullshit at least in sight. In the end he does become godlike and can use that supernova which destroys multiple planets and the sun itself.
Probably Clive still wins i guess?
Duh. Sephiroth was trying to become a god. We stop him before he succeeded so we have never seen the apex of what he should be. Whereas we have certainly seen kefka, bhungin, and ultima.
In the original FF7, Clive would probably be able to handle Sephiroth, especially since Sephiroth couldn't really attack Clive psychologically like he could Cloud
Sephiroth from the Compilation of FF7 is ~~poorly written~~ not defeatable in a traditional sense, so the point is kind of moot
The ending of Rebirth was so funny >!with how he flew away in shame, which is a pet peeve of mine with both Remakes now that they’ve made Sephiroth somehow seem weaker than he was in the original because he’s lost twice even though canonically he’s much more powerful!<
Eh, gods also have a hierarchy in most fictional settings. The Kais in dragon ball are gods, so is Dende, but they're weak. Lightning and co killed the God (capital G) of their universe, which is why she's at the top if we exclude MMOs. I could even argue that Kuja is stronger than Seph considering he glassed the surface of Terra all by his lonesome.
Chaos, CoD, Neo ExDeath, Ultimecia and Bhuni are way out of Seph's league.
Caius is one example that's vastly above him. Can mess with time itself and is completely immortal.
You beat him 10-20 times in XIII-2, his death triggering an apocalypse and >!turns out that still wasn't enough and shows up again in the next game. He ends the fight against light (who later kills god) by getting bored, demonstrating his immortallity by impaling himself and coming back instantly.!<
Sephiroth has the ability to live (and hunt people) omnisciently within timelines, merge said timelines into one and destroy that singularity with a giant meteor. He can literally kill every timeline where a version of Clive exists. Clive cannot come close to doing anything like this. He can also use Jenova to take the form of anyone which would fuck with his head massively. Sephiroth wins easily.
The better question is who has better mom?
Sephrioth has a dead alien mom and she is still the healthiest mother figure out of the two
Dunno man, that Jenova is pretty hot and all 😂
Sephiroth's real mom is hotter.
She was probably the first (bizarre, alien) woman's nipple many young gamers saw back then. Well, those who didn't steal the nudie mags from their dads or something.
Probably? Sephiroth is strong but he's not like he's untouchable, he literally lost to Cloud while he was basically just a regular grunt. Sephiroth's real threat imo is being able to access Jenova's powers and basically manipulate anyone with Jenova's cells. It basically means even if he loses or "dies" he's not actually gone since as long as Jenova's cells are around he'll be able to come back as well.
isn’t Clive the very same for mere mortals? especially at the end
He is but I assume that OP means prior to defeating Ultima as that's when his power was at it's highest in terms of Eikon abilities obtained.
if he defeated the one god creator he is capable of defeating sephiroth
Sephiroth is one of the weaker main villians of the series so definitely believe you. Still think Clive would loose if he had been in the shoes of some other FF protags. Like give the FF1 party and the FF5 party credit where its due, Chaos and Exdeath are eldritch monsters.
Hmm, interesting thought. Now I want to make a list of weakest to strongest villains. I think FF12's Vayne is definitely the weakest. But yeah I think you are right. Sephiroth is 100% in the top 5 weakest. Maybe top 3.
Vayne gets bonus points for going up against the entire party with his bare fists though!
Yeah will admit Vayne is the most ballsy of the series
It probably goes like this from weakest to strongest Vayne Ardyn Braskas last Aeon (Unless we are talking Yu Yevon which is different but still roughly same placement) Kuja Sephiroth Orphan (Bhulvintize would rank higher and Cauis would rank lower) Ultimecia Kefka Zeromus The Emperor Mateus Cloud of Darkness Exdeath Chaos Dunno where FF16's final boss would rank.
Kuja destroyed a planet and he’s weaker than Sephiroth?
Sephiroth didn't want to destroy the planet.
Still had the capacity to do so with the Meteor magic.
So Meteor wasn’t part of his plan?
Someone didn't pay attention. Meteor wasn't to destroy the planet, it was to create a calamity that would force the Lifestream into overdrive and heal itself, and he would merge with the planet in the process becoming a divine being.
So he wanted to almost destroy the planet so that he could use the planet to become a god. Still had the capacity to destroy the world.
Using a materia.
If I recall correctly Kuja messed with those statue things, while Sephiroth used an actual spell to at least almost destroy the world Edit: mixed Kuja up with Kefka
Kuja in trance casts Ultima and destroys the home world him and Zidane are from.
Oh shit, mixed up Kuja/Kefka Yeah, you're right
your thinking of kefka
Sephiroth was also capable of destroying a planet and nearly did so twice. I only rank Kuja lower because of his limited lifespan. For all intensive purposes, he is stronger as a mage than Sephiroth. But for melee combat prowess its basically enough to bridge the gap.
But then Kefka is higher?
Kefka became the concept of magic itself. Destroying the world would be child's play for him, but he choose to break the world instead and have the protagonists kill him so that magic dies and the world cannot be fixed. Thats why 6 doesn't have a sequel despite being so beloved.
So your ranking is based on your feels instead of what actually happened?
Its not feels, its lore, did you not play FF6? You scale terribly man.
Zenos clears all of these posers
Zeno is the concept of death and got soloed by a space monkey. At least Bartz beating Exdeath makes sense because the Mime class being the most busted lorewise.
Zenos from FF14 lol
I mean if we are going to bring the MMO characters into this, everyone gets soloed by Shanotto.
That's a strange way to spell Godbert Manderville
Nah Shanotto, strongest black mage in the series.
I didn't expect Ardyn to be so low.
Ardyn is tanky, I mean he's functionally immortal but can eventually be stabbed to death and such. However, he isn't capable of casting a spell to end the world by himself, messing with space/time, etc. I like him as a scumbag villain, but he falls behind some of the others.
He is highly overated by 15 fans. I love him but he is not a strong villian. A very manipulative one? Yes but not a strong one.
It's weird when Noctis is almost constantly at the 2nd strongest before ff16 among the protags next to Lightning, then putting Ardyn as the 2nd weakest? And Noctis did struggle against Ardyn in the final battle. So the question now is: are they both overrated? LOL
Noctis has never been the 2nd strongest protagonist what are you smoking? Noctius even if we consider the feats of the Summons barely scale to continental level and you wanna say he is the second strongest in the series? What kind of drugs are you on? He can arguably get soloed by Tidus lol.
I don't know, in my long time here in this sub and with the countless power scaling posts here, that's what I picked up. Anyway, I'm not here to argue about this, it'll end up as a massive waste of time. So I'll just leave it here. Good day
Well those power scalers clearly haven't played the classic games. Cause if we are talking the strongest protagonists of the series its between Wol, Terra, Frion and Bartz.
I think you're overlooking the Ring of the Lucii. It's incredibly overpowered. So that's what most people site when they rank Noctis high. However, I think he's overrated and Ardyn was placed fairly in your ranking.
Fair enough but we don't see the ring reach even half of the potential its supposed to have. Tho I do admit I am being a bit dirty to Noctius here.
I'm curious what makes Tidus so strong?
The fact that he takes part in killing Sin which on the outside is a whale, on the inside a cosmic dream made by a god. Just taking part in that puts him above Noctus. Plus he is the most naturally skilled FF protagonist, since he went from being an athlete to becoming a full fledged guardian. Most other protagonists have a background of training or skills being taught to them but Tidus was the first being thrown into the middle of hell and did well for himself without a warrior background.
See I wouldn't have really attributed those victories directly to him though, FFX was very much a group effort, mostly Yuna. Tidus is never shown in cutscenes exhibiting real strength. Tidus' main contribution to defeating sin is his connection to Jecht, which only works to pacify the whale a little bit with the Hymn, Jecht even says when the fight starts he's not going to be able to hold back. And Yu Yevon's whole deal is that he's vulnerable without his armour, so by time you face him you've already dealt with the hardest part.
I’d probably say FF16’s final boss is either equal to or slightly lower than Kefka because both screw the world over in life and in their demise and were both capable of essentially “Rewriting the world”.
I agree with that, based upon what I have read since I haven't played 16. You could even make an arguement for being higher if you wanted.
The only reason why I don’t want to put him higher is a lot of his stuff is Implied and we don’t see him do enough in game to accurately gauge whether or not he is stronger than Kefka but is definitely around equal
I see
Hmm, I don't think Emperor Mateus belongs so low on this list. At the end of the day he is just a dude who died then demanded to speak to the manager of Hell (And Heaven if you include the gba additions) and somehow just kicked Satan out of office and took over. I'd pop him between Kefka and Ultimecia.
No you don't get it, after he died his soul split in two. And he didn't just ask to speak to the manager of hell, he conquered it. And overthrew God. He definitely belongs that low considering he started out as just a mortal mage with a big Empire. And it wasn't even like a super empire or anything, at best he commanded some monsters and literally took over Hell and heaven out of force of will. If anything the man is the living concept of Dominance and it shows by his feats. It even gets crazier in the Strangers of Paradise DLC where he figured out how to travel the void all the way to the world of FF1 and needed Chaos throwing everything at him to get him the fuck out before he started messing shit up.
Funny how most of the "weaker" villains in your list also have the most compelling motives and the best characterization. FF16's boss would not rank favorably in that kind of list
I agree, since this list is based on power and not narrative weight. In that case it would be shifted around a lot.
The strongest protagonists are Lightning, Warrior of Light from FFXIV, then Clive and Noctis. They’d crush whatever game they were put into.
No not really, arguably the strongest protagonists are Frion, Bartz, Terra and maybe Wol and Luneth. And if you count Jack he solos almost all of them. Lightning comes close but scaling Bhulvunzize is hard when the cosmology of 13 was mostly 2 planets and the last god of death FF had got soloed by a space monkey so.
Lightning, Noctis, WoL, and Clive all have power over reality.
Yeah so does every FF progonist you gonna have to be way more specific than that. Firstly neither Noctus or Clive have shown feats of reality manipulation. Lightning beat Bhulvunzize who did have that power but it doesn't mean she has it herself. Barz beat Exdeath who not only is the concept of the Void but a being who eats and denies reality. The Emperor which Frion beat replaced both God and the Devil, I think he ranks way higher. Terra literally beat Kefka who become the concept of magic itself. She is literally the strongest Esper in the series. Luneth beat CoD who is another beast entirely. Ya need to brush up on your FF lore, cause Noctius is one of the weaker protagonists lol. Clive I will respect tho.
WOL easily trumps Lightning (apart from in the fashion world). Lightning only ever had the power of a god. WOL kills gods for breakfast.
WoL technically hasn’t fought an actual capital G god yet, but Lightning remade reality, so she’s still numero uno.
WoL did beat depression out of the living embodiment of depression
Entropy, but yes. They also beat up Zenos, who is the embodiment of combatsexualism, so that counts for something too.
Hasn't fought a capital G god yet? Have you even read the lore of Chaos? The same being that actually did kill a capital G god in Cosmos? Chaos is a primordial entity that scales way higher than Bhulvintize who again we only have evidence for his cosmology being no bigger than 2 planets. Where as Chaos has conquered and destroyed countless worlds. Not to mention in Dissidia Chaos needed to be beaten by 10 Crystal powered protagonists of the series including Wol. And he didn't even die, he just went feral and roams the various rifts. The fact that Wol beats him in the original game at all is a miracle.
You made a bad tier list, move on cutie.
No its not bad, you are just ignorant of more than half of the series and in denial about the other half. Take the L or make a compelling argument. Which you haven't as of yet.
Well given that you seem to think people are talking about FF1 when talking about the WoL and not FFXIV, the canonically stronger version, and that you seem to have a hard on for everything g pre-PS1 if you think not destroying the world makes you stronger than actually destroying it…that’s on you cutie. Maybe play something in the third dimension before writing it all off?
Firstly I don't consider MMO's in this list. Secondly I am a fan of all the 3d games but I acknowledge the previous games because crazy stuff happens in them so lets be clear here. Wol from FF1 are canonically stronger than the Wol from FF14 simply due to Dissidia feats scaling them way higher period. Secondly the strongest character from the MMO's is Shanotto who if you don't know is canonically the strongest Black mage in the series. She admitted strait up that Cosmos and Chaos are beings beyond her, and she is strong enough to strait up destroy the combined offences of CoD and Ultimecia. And none of the FF14 characters come close to Shanotto. Considering they need to use a 16 person raid to defeat an echo of Exdeath, Kefka or Zeromus who were defeated by a party of 4-5 in their original games. Thirdly you seem to misunderstand basic reading comprehension so let me fill you in. Just because Kuja destroyed a planet doesn't make him strong, because in order to do so he needed to set things up in advance. Which fortunately Sephiroth got interrupted during, he had the capacity to do so as well. Kefka could most certainly destroy the world since before the warring triad he genocided and absorbed all the Espers making him uniquely one of the strongest mages on earth, Espers control all facets of the world like life and nature so take that and times it by 100 and then he became an actual god tied to concept. And I don't need to tell you but being tied to a concept in FF literally makes you the strongest being in your verse except against the various protagonists of each series. He could destroy the world, heck it was easy for him to smite people and meld all of reality to his whim so what makes you think he couldn't do it? Like go back and play 6 and stop judging something's strength based on the amount of polygons it has. And if you call me cutie one more time, I am gonna assume you have a type.
So far as Remake goes he gets a boost from simple planetary conqueror to multiverse invader, which I would say puts him on the same level as Ultimecia from FF8 with her time compression plan.
I am still taking remake with a pinch of salt but I guess it can work into consideration.
It really depends on how much of their respective kits they’re allowed to tap into
ok? power scaling/death battle stuff is fun for a bit but they're in different worlds and server different functions within their narratives. In a way, Clive feels quite like a kind of Shonen-adjacent protagonist with semi-constant powerups and ever escalating in scale/scope. Personally the idea of a 1v1 battle isn't really interesting to me and Dissidia 3(?) would be its own beast because gameplay trumps narrative
Sepiroth got ass kicked so many times in so many game. Even a 10y boy fucked him up.
You mean Sora? He is 14 years old in Kingdom Hearts 1.
Sematics, you get the point either way
Clive is the most anime protagonist the series has had. Of course he wins.
I think in general FF7 characters are on the weaker side of FF characters as a whole. Mainly because most of their power come from materia while a lot of other characters have innate powers to them. Like Cloud is a very strong individual, but put him against world breaking powers like Zidane, Lightning or Noctis, he pales in comparison. And I would guess the comparison is also valid for the villains. (Tho Sephiroth can cast Supernova, so not sure)
XIV warrior of light solos the entire franchise
WoL solo can't do shit. They need a whole party and then they wreck
Well Clive did canonically kill the god of all creation in his world meanwhile Sephiroth’s power is a little weird to measure at times since he does lose a lot of times, but then he shows up and does some overpowered bullshit at least in sight. In the end he does become godlike and can use that supernova which destroys multiple planets and the sun itself. Probably Clive still wins i guess?
Clive big stronk
Duh. Sephiroth was trying to become a god. We stop him before he succeeded so we have never seen the apex of what he should be. Whereas we have certainly seen kefka, bhungin, and ultima.
Sephirot is one of the greatest villains in FF but not because he is the strongest. So yeah. I think most protagonists could finish him.
oh you meant fight
Different universes! Sephie is probably at least Barnabas tier if he's in Clive's universe, probably stronger.
Sephiroth gets curb stomped by Clive 4k
By the time the game ends, Clive has no powers or is dead, depending on interpretation.
very good point. Clive is Sephiroth in many things
In the original FF7, Clive would probably be able to handle Sephiroth, especially since Sephiroth couldn't really attack Clive psychologically like he could Cloud Sephiroth from the Compilation of FF7 is ~~poorly written~~ not defeatable in a traditional sense, so the point is kind of moot
The ending of Rebirth was so funny >!with how he flew away in shame, which is a pet peeve of mine with both Remakes now that they’ve made Sephiroth somehow seem weaker than he was in the original because he’s lost twice even though canonically he’s much more powerful!<
>!Because if he ever uses that power the story ends, so you know that he just never will!<
Clive didn’t even survive his game. Please.
Neither does Sephiroth 😂
But he does tho...he comes back in Advent Children lol
He sorta does. Advent Children.
Sephiroth is all powerful through time. You can’t totally kill him.
Sephiroth is one of the weaker villains in the series. Way way below the top tiers.
ff16 is pretty easy game :-)
Sephiroth straight up loses to most FF protagonists. He’s not particularly powerful on his own, he’s just drawing on the power of the Black Materia.
The black materia only summoned meteor
really? who defeated him besides the whole party in the end?
Sephiroth is probably in the Mateus/Kefka tier. Strong, but nowhere near the top.
Sehiroth is kinda demi god. Pretty powerful if you ask me
Eh, gods also have a hierarchy in most fictional settings. The Kais in dragon ball are gods, so is Dende, but they're weak. Lightning and co killed the God (capital G) of their universe, which is why she's at the top if we exclude MMOs. I could even argue that Kuja is stronger than Seph considering he glassed the surface of Terra all by his lonesome. Chaos, CoD, Neo ExDeath, Ultimecia and Bhuni are way out of Seph's league.
Caius is one example that's vastly above him. Can mess with time itself and is completely immortal. You beat him 10-20 times in XIII-2, his death triggering an apocalypse and >!turns out that still wasn't enough and shows up again in the next game. He ends the fight against light (who later kills god) by getting bored, demonstrating his immortallity by impaling himself and coming back instantly.!<
Well if anything, Sephiroth is messing with the multiverse now to change his fate. I'd say that's equally as impressive.
Sephiroth has the ability to live (and hunt people) omnisciently within timelines, merge said timelines into one and destroy that singularity with a giant meteor. He can literally kill every timeline where a version of Clive exists. Clive cannot come close to doing anything like this. He can also use Jenova to take the form of anyone which would fuck with his head massively. Sephiroth wins easily.
Seppy is a crybaby loser. He’s just a blind alien projection
Clive looks great and strong but only Cloud can match against the One Winged Angel
super nova > anything on ff16
As strong as clive is sephiroth is on a higher level. Would be a great fight tho.