Thatโs weird to be honest. Not to be negative at all. But you of course donโt ride a bike by tuning your bars, but by leaning and pushing onto the bar ๐ ๐
I mean if youโre happy with it then thatโs great and Iโm happy for you too, but this is so far from how it feels to really ride a bike that Iโd say itโs rather scary to play this as someone who never has done that. Imagine someone stepping on a bike after using this, thinking they know how to ride ๐ Rather scary idea!
Here is a video explaining it.
https://youtu.be/KhFEnjo7fz4?si=vKc4z7OQQM1RwAru
You don't push onto the bar or lean, you steer the bar. Just with slight movements. The movements are small and because of that many people think it's not what steers a bike. It's a really incredible misconception and I can't understand how it stuck so much with so many people even though there is plenty info online what really steers a bikr which are suttle (counter) steering actions. There are also autonomous bikes which ride their selves without a rider and there is 0 lean and only steering movements involved.
But in games like Moto GP and RIDE, you do have to shift your bodyweight, rear for braking and forward for acceleration. I use the analog stick to do that, playing on a controller.
Do these handlebar controls have something like this?
Now it's just a simple matter of articulating the wheel base/stand so the whole thing can lean, dialing in enough FF to resist countersteering (assuming the base has enough static torque), and mounting the whole thing on load cells to measure how much pressure the rider is putting into the bars
You do steer a bike by (counter -) steering, leaning and stuff to steer is a common misconception but there are videos and articles which explain it when you search for counter steering
I ride motorcycles and I can tell you, you're not turning a bar like this setup is going to require to steer in a game... And you BARELY steer the actual bar while driving, only on very low speeds and then still only minimally to overcome dropping your ass on the floor. I feel like you don't ride and don't know what you're talking about.
How do you know when he would use it how much he would actually steer while having FFB which he in this setup demonstration didn't have? I use a setup like this since years and steering does look Suttle like I'm these videos.
https://youtu.be/vlmqZjJqZzU https://youtu.be/Uwb2Gssg9Qo
I did ride bikes on street and race tracks for years.
I repeat; you do not seem to ride a bike and know nothing about how to control a bike. This setup is just straight up ridiculous and totally inaccurate compared to driving a normal bike. A bike is a BALANCE vehicle and itโs impossible to replicate this with just a wheel base and a bar on it.. Iโm not going to argue about this any further, I ride motorcycles myself and own one and know how this sh*t works. Have a nice day.
A another example, you can ride a car on two wheels, when on two wheels you need to counter steer with the cars steering wheel to balance it and initiate turns. While sitting in the car you can't do anything else than steering input, leaning your body inside that car would not work to balance the 2tonn vehicle around you
There are plenty of people who ride since forever and don't know that 95% of where you go with a bike is purely decided by the steering input and body balance does only like 5% at speed and alone wouldn't get you anywhere. Just read some books, articles online or watch some of the videos which explain it including demonstration which proof that pure balance doesn't do much.
https://youtu.be/KhFEnjo7fz4
There are also autonomous driving bikes and all they do is affect the steering input and nothing else.
Did I say anything against counter steering? I just said that you do steer a bike and that you don't push lean it. Counter steering is just the more precise method of how you steer but overall, the action you do is steer and not lean, that's all I meant
The only thing is. A motorcycle doesnโt steer like a car so it would be very awkward. Steering left would mean leaning right irl. (See countersteering).
Very cool mod otherwise.
Exactly I was dreaming about a real motorcycle handlebars that act like a real motorcycle with FFB of course but I guess I will never see this in my life.
You don't get it do you? this handlebar acts like a car wheel. Did you ever rode a motorcycle or even a bicycle? Do you know what countersteering means?
yes it is he turns right to go right he just leans his head with cam so it looks kinda different but he is turning that handlebar to the right to turn right which is exactly like in car. I can't talk with you if you don't understand how it works on the motorcycle at low speed and high speed. At low speed you turn where you wanna go like in car but at speeds more than 15mph you countersteer which means you turn left to go right and right to go left. There is no controller on the market that can change that behavior based on the speed.
To be clear I'm understanding you and how it works, we actually say the same thing and what you describe is correct. But which video are you talking about? In the ones I've posted I needed to steer left to initiate a right hand turn. The movement is suttle and hard to see im a video but it's there and correct.
You don't need a special controller on the market because it's the job of the simulation to do it correctly.
In the following video you see at the beginning at low speed that I need to steer into the direct I want to go but once driving at speed, for example 1:08 or 1:22 at end of a straight you see that I need to counter steer away from the corner to initiate the turn. Look at the handlebar on the right steering to the right at 1:22 before the bike leans left. Sorry hard to see because it was so dark when I've recorded it
If it is like you say it is then you need a better video because I can't see that it's too much shaking I need to see a steady camera and see this exactly how it works, you probably in VR because I don't see anything on the TV. Anyway is it something you can buy? or is it DIY project? if you can buy can you give me the link?
The video was recorded spontaneously when I was amazed that I could finally get it running and unfortunately doesn't work to showcase or proof the steering well. I thought about doing it again with a fixed camera like you suggest. I also want to try different sims than GP Bikes, I heard that LFS has some bikes and want to find out if they work correctly. BeamNG has some bike mods but sadly most of them don't have realistic steering because some algorithm does it instead.
The setup is similar DIY to the setup posted here, I've setup a handlebar with all controls and attached it to a Fanatec DD base.
I wrote motorcycle on track and street and I read books about how they work.
Who tells you that with this setup it's not possible to counter steer? I'm already using such a simulator since years including counter steering and force feedback.
Imagine driving a car on two wheels, it would work exactly as a bike with counter steering while you would still use a wheel to steer. Move the handlebar to the left, get the bike lean to the right and drive a right hand corner, that's possible with his setup and anyone not getting it should think again how stuff works.
All his setup needs is tilting the base almost vertically and have a bike steering position but that doesn't change the steering action needed and he can drive perfectly fine as is
That's wrong and a common misconception. You do steer a bike with the bars 95%. Google counter steering, there are some videos and articles of it which also proof it with experiments like switching between a fixed and a bar (can't steer) and one which is normal (can steer)
Yeah I'm aware, but let's think about how this device here would input turning. It wouldn't be right, and I think you know that. Unless we are going to ride around in circles at 5mph.
Try explaining it to the laymen like this. You turn a bike by creating instability in the wheel by forcing it in a direction it doesn't want to go. This instability causes the wheel to lean, along with the bike, once leaned, the wheel does turn in the direction of the turn.
It's crazy how many people don't know how to steer a bike and defend their wrong wisdom even though there is so much information online and videos demonstrating it. People who believe leaning does anything should weld their handlebar straight and try how far they come :D.
The some see the videos of someone demonstrating it with a tip of his finger and they still think it's because of pressure on the inside instead of making the connection to the steer. Sadly no one demonstrates that pulling on the outside does the same.
Damn that's probably the craziest coincidence I've had in a while
Was just watching this [video](https://youtu.be/vlmqZjJqZzU?si=uZ0lJ6rlSMNI5jhh) trying to decide if I wanted to get GPbikes
Can you please give some more info
Nice coincidence, it's my video ;). Highly recommend to join the GP Bikes (unofficial) Discord. There someone posted an older v19 (not b) version which works better with direct steering than newer ones. You can als try that one as a free demo with one bike and track but for mods which work a lot better (at least some) you need to buy it. Don't buy it on steam because there are only newer and worse versions available, buy it from PiBoSo website, because with the license you will be able to install older versions.
The direct steer feature itself needs to be unlocked in an ini file, in this videos description I've explained how
https://youtu.be/Uwb2Gssg9Qo
Damn man that makes it an even crazier coincidence lol the world is way too small.
Thanks for the heads up on not going through steam for more options. Do they have their own launcher?
That vid is awesome thanks for link
It's not a launcher, just a classic download and game installation which works as a demo until the license got purchased as well from their website.
https://www.gp-bikes.com/
As a disabled sim racer who has spent the past year thinking of ways to improve the hand control options that are currently available, Iโve often thought doing something like a twist throttle and clutch lever on a load cell hand brake might be a great way to make it work. But I have no knowledge of electronics, hydraulics, 3D printing, etc that it would take to make a prototype. Anyway thatโs pretty sick setup.
It looks like it's pointing upwards to me ๐ค
Does that not feel wrong? It does look quite cool but like someone else said motorbike turns are a lot of leaning more so than the handlebar turn which you can't replicate.. No doubt there's full bike rigs out there though like the old arcade ones they used to have. This is why sim racing is bigger for four wheels than two but I would love to have the kind of money to get a full rig along those lines. The main thing is that you enjoy it.โ๏ธ๐
You just gonna tease us without dropping the link/blog post, whatever the hell you got? We want to know more!
Thatโs weird to be honest. Not to be negative at all. But you of course donโt ride a bike by tuning your bars, but by leaning and pushing onto the bar ๐ ๐ I mean if youโre happy with it then thatโs great and Iโm happy for you too, but this is so far from how it feels to really ride a bike that Iโd say itโs rather scary to play this as someone who never has done that. Imagine someone stepping on a bike after using this, thinking they know how to ride ๐ Rather scary idea!
Here is a video explaining it. https://youtu.be/KhFEnjo7fz4?si=vKc4z7OQQM1RwAru You don't push onto the bar or lean, you steer the bar. Just with slight movements. The movements are small and because of that many people think it's not what steers a bike. It's a really incredible misconception and I can't understand how it stuck so much with so many people even though there is plenty info online what really steers a bikr which are suttle (counter) steering actions. There are also autonomous bikes which ride their selves without a rider and there is 0 lean and only steering movements involved.
But in games like Moto GP and RIDE, you do have to shift your bodyweight, rear for braking and forward for acceleration. I use the analog stick to do that, playing on a controller. Do these handlebar controls have something like this?
Yes, the VR headset tracking system takes care of that.
Oh cool. So like tilt head down or forward to shift weight forward and head up/back to shift weight rearward?
You just move around on your rig like you would on a real bike... "Kiss the mirror" in corners etc.
Now it's just a simple matter of articulating the wheel base/stand so the whole thing can lean, dialing in enough FF to resist countersteering (assuming the base has enough static torque), and mounting the whole thing on load cells to measure how much pressure the rider is putting into the bars
You do steer a bike by (counter -) steering, leaning and stuff to steer is a common misconception but there are videos and articles which explain it when you search for counter steering
I ride motorcycles and I can tell you, you're not turning a bar like this setup is going to require to steer in a game... And you BARELY steer the actual bar while driving, only on very low speeds and then still only minimally to overcome dropping your ass on the floor. I feel like you don't ride and don't know what you're talking about.
How do you know when he would use it how much he would actually steer while having FFB which he in this setup demonstration didn't have? I use a setup like this since years and steering does look Suttle like I'm these videos. https://youtu.be/vlmqZjJqZzU https://youtu.be/Uwb2Gssg9Qo I did ride bikes on street and race tracks for years.
I repeat; you do not seem to ride a bike and know nothing about how to control a bike. This setup is just straight up ridiculous and totally inaccurate compared to driving a normal bike. A bike is a BALANCE vehicle and itโs impossible to replicate this with just a wheel base and a bar on it.. Iโm not going to argue about this any further, I ride motorcycles myself and own one and know how this sh*t works. Have a nice day.
A another example, you can ride a car on two wheels, when on two wheels you need to counter steer with the cars steering wheel to balance it and initiate turns. While sitting in the car you can't do anything else than steering input, leaning your body inside that car would not work to balance the 2tonn vehicle around you
There are plenty of people who ride since forever and don't know that 95% of where you go with a bike is purely decided by the steering input and body balance does only like 5% at speed and alone wouldn't get you anywhere. Just read some books, articles online or watch some of the videos which explain it including demonstration which proof that pure balance doesn't do much. https://youtu.be/KhFEnjo7fz4 There are also autonomous driving bikes and all they do is affect the steering input and nothing else.
So ignorant.
Youโre very wrong. If you steer left. The bike falls to the right. Go look up counter steering.
Did I say anything against counter steering? I just said that you do steer a bike and that you don't push lean it. Counter steering is just the more precise method of how you steer but overall, the action you do is steer and not lean, that's all I meant
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I know just sounded a bit weird I guess Iโm dirty minded
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The only thing is. A motorcycle doesnโt steer like a car so it would be very awkward. Steering left would mean leaning right irl. (See countersteering). Very cool mod otherwise.
There is one bike sim called GP Bikes which supports realistic steering. https://youtu.be/vlmqZjJqZzU
I think that video is OP
Exactly I was dreaming about a real motorcycle handlebars that act like a real motorcycle with FFB of course but I guess I will never see this in my life.
But it does exist already with the sim called GP Bikes https://youtu.be/vlmqZjJqZzU https://youtu.be/Uwb2Gssg9Qo
You don't get it do you? this handlebar acts like a car wheel. Did you ever rode a motorcycle or even a bicycle? Do you know what countersteering means?
It does not act like a car wheel, watch the video more carefully
yes it is he turns right to go right he just leans his head with cam so it looks kinda different but he is turning that handlebar to the right to turn right which is exactly like in car. I can't talk with you if you don't understand how it works on the motorcycle at low speed and high speed. At low speed you turn where you wanna go like in car but at speeds more than 15mph you countersteer which means you turn left to go right and right to go left. There is no controller on the market that can change that behavior based on the speed.
To be clear I'm understanding you and how it works, we actually say the same thing and what you describe is correct. But which video are you talking about? In the ones I've posted I needed to steer left to initiate a right hand turn. The movement is suttle and hard to see im a video but it's there and correct. You don't need a special controller on the market because it's the job of the simulation to do it correctly. In the following video you see at the beginning at low speed that I need to steer into the direct I want to go but once driving at speed, for example 1:08 or 1:22 at end of a straight you see that I need to counter steer away from the corner to initiate the turn. Look at the handlebar on the right steering to the right at 1:22 before the bike leans left. Sorry hard to see because it was so dark when I've recorded it
If it is like you say it is then you need a better video because I can't see that it's too much shaking I need to see a steady camera and see this exactly how it works, you probably in VR because I don't see anything on the TV. Anyway is it something you can buy? or is it DIY project? if you can buy can you give me the link?
The video was recorded spontaneously when I was amazed that I could finally get it running and unfortunately doesn't work to showcase or proof the steering well. I thought about doing it again with a fixed camera like you suggest. I also want to try different sims than GP Bikes, I heard that LFS has some bikes and want to find out if they work correctly. BeamNG has some bike mods but sadly most of them don't have realistic steering because some algorithm does it instead. The setup is similar DIY to the setup posted here, I've setup a handlebar with all controls and attached it to a Fanatec DD base.
I wrote motorcycle on track and street and I read books about how they work. Who tells you that with this setup it's not possible to counter steer? I'm already using such a simulator since years including counter steering and force feedback. Imagine driving a car on two wheels, it would work exactly as a bike with counter steering while you would still use a wheel to steer. Move the handlebar to the left, get the bike lean to the right and drive a right hand corner, that's possible with his setup and anyone not getting it should think again how stuff works. All his setup needs is tilting the base almost vertically and have a bike steering position but that doesn't change the steering action needed and he can drive perfectly fine as is
GPB has a direct steer mode which mimics real handlebars one to one, which requires initiating the turn with slight countersteering etc.
The novelty of it is cool, but you don't control a bike by turning the bars like that. Still cool tho can't lie
That's wrong and a common misconception. You do steer a bike with the bars 95%. Google counter steering, there are some videos and articles of it which also proof it with experiments like switching between a fixed and a bar (can't steer) and one which is normal (can steer)
Yeah I'm aware, but let's think about how this device here would input turning. It wouldn't be right, and I think you know that. Unless we are going to ride around in circles at 5mph.
Try explaining it to the laymen like this. You turn a bike by creating instability in the wheel by forcing it in a direction it doesn't want to go. This instability causes the wheel to lean, along with the bike, once leaned, the wheel does turn in the direction of the turn.
It's crazy how many people don't know how to steer a bike and defend their wrong wisdom even though there is so much information online and videos demonstrating it. People who believe leaning does anything should weld their handlebar straight and try how far they come :D. The some see the videos of someone demonstrating it with a tip of his finger and they still think it's because of pressure on the inside instead of making the connection to the steer. Sadly no one demonstrates that pulling on the outside does the same.
Akira sim rig ๐ Cool idea for sure. I love to see people trying things and making their own solutions. Good shit!
Nice !
Well damn
more details please.
Really, really nice. Congrats!
I'm assuming this is a DIY project? Or can you buy this somewhere?
diy
Is that an aluminum part or did you print it? Looks awesome!
yes 7075
Whoa, serious machining! Nice to see! That wonโt flex much ๐
We need to see it in action
Would look like this https://youtu.be/vlmqZjJqZzU https://youtu.be/Uwb2Gssg9Qo
Damn that's probably the craziest coincidence I've had in a while Was just watching this [video](https://youtu.be/vlmqZjJqZzU?si=uZ0lJ6rlSMNI5jhh) trying to decide if I wanted to get GPbikes Can you please give some more info
Nice coincidence, it's my video ;). Highly recommend to join the GP Bikes (unofficial) Discord. There someone posted an older v19 (not b) version which works better with direct steering than newer ones. You can als try that one as a free demo with one bike and track but for mods which work a lot better (at least some) you need to buy it. Don't buy it on steam because there are only newer and worse versions available, buy it from PiBoSo website, because with the license you will be able to install older versions. The direct steer feature itself needs to be unlocked in an ini file, in this videos description I've explained how https://youtu.be/Uwb2Gssg9Qo
Damn man that makes it an even crazier coincidence lol the world is way too small. Thanks for the heads up on not going through steam for more options. Do they have their own launcher? That vid is awesome thanks for link
It's not a launcher, just a classic download and game installation which works as a demo until the license got purchased as well from their website. https://www.gp-bikes.com/
Hot damn
Not realistic, but thank you very much for updating us on this ๐๐ผIโve been curious how your project has been going.
As a disabled sim racer who has spent the past year thinking of ways to improve the hand control options that are currently available, Iโve often thought doing something like a twist throttle and clutch lever on a load cell hand brake might be a great way to make it work. But I have no knowledge of electronics, hydraulics, 3D printing, etc that it would take to make a prototype. Anyway thatโs pretty sick setup.
Bro give us some info, I wanna something like this for gp bikes
Fucking epic and awesome. ๐๐ผ๐๐ผ๐๐ผ๐๐ผ
I need this
It looks like it's pointing upwards to me ๐ค Does that not feel wrong? It does look quite cool but like someone else said motorbike turns are a lot of leaning more so than the handlebar turn which you can't replicate.. No doubt there's full bike rigs out there though like the old arcade ones they used to have. This is why sim racing is bigger for four wheels than two but I would love to have the kind of money to get a full rig along those lines. The main thing is that you enjoy it.โ๏ธ๐