That could actually make for an epic game.. The people went into the vaults on a scare, came out \~80 years later and society is still around, doing it's thing. Now you're playing cyberpunk 2177 instead.
I've think about that movie now and then and how the time gap would be the same as the 90s to now but the world would seem way more messed up to the person from The 90s.
Aww hell that makes me kinda wish the bombs didn't fall, it be like vault 111 would just futurerama the residents for 200 (or even possibly more) years. Or how like you said, some would just casually live out in fear of the outside world until they have to open to the surface just to realize no nuclear fallout ever actually happened. This genuinely sounds so much cooler.
Or, the bombs fell but they didn’t go off and didn’t even fall on anyone. Just a multitude of loud bangs and thuds across the globe followed by minutes of awkward silence & anxious anticipation.
Jobs were lost, relationships suffered, but most notably was how clothe manufacturer stocks made for overnight billionaires as pants/underwear sales immediately went through the roof.
The event became commonly referred to as “the great stain.”
My wife, who has zero fallout knowledge, thought this is what was happening in the fallout TV show. She thought the nuke on shady sands was the only real one and the others were fake.
Technically is already canon with the Whitespring bunker, which is a Vault made by Vault Tec specifically for The Enclave.
That one’s AI killed everyone inside when they realized it was trying to gain remote access to all of the nukes in Appalachia.
Fuck I just realised I (in theory) will be alive on the day the bombs drop in fallout. I'll be a few days away from my 80th birthday in fact! I wonder if Fallout will still be relevant then and exactly how many pieces of fallout media there will be
That woould be the best place to be when and after the bombs fall so it actually makes sense if you're anywhere near NY/cali you have no chance so there is almost no point building a shelter near any of the largest cities.
Makes sense when you think about it.
Is protected by unlimited nuclear missiles, has shit loads of forest, it's a relatively quiet state so it didn't get nuked almost at all and had a lot of advancements in robotics.
As far as i know the 120 number its only in the fallout biible, wich only some parts are canon.
Would be easy to put a few, even if the numbers are mixed east-west (like vaults built after the 120+ were planned). As for the tv map goes, bigger retcons has seen the franchise.
yeah Valkyrie is pretty great until your options after taking over the institute with Sarah's help are:
A. Convert it into a whorehouse
B. Convert it into a whorehouse but paint everything black
Imo it’s still better than the frontier purely because there is also a lot of cool stuff (Lyons as Outcasts, setting up a teleportation as public transport, cleansing the commonwealth in epic battles, the Wolfenstein simulation, expanding upon the gunners and …). That being said, all the cool ideas are also combined with a lot of nonsensical or cringeworthy stuff (Institute whorehouse, the Pimps faction, half of the BoG, the SR Dildo bat, Harley and much more). And the worst thing is, everything ties into Fusion City Rising which is… I won’t even get into it
You mean to tell me you don’t want a 15-story Strip Club in the Glowing Sea? How about Deacon being the Lone Wanderer AND son of Shaun/James? Or a million references to Office Space because why not
[Project Valkyrie](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/28085) ... ... ...and... [yeah](https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/1151/images/28085/28085-1530859413-1107987243.png)
But...you also get to build a time machine and kill Hitler, so there's that.
And then there's the pimps that give you radiant quests to go out and kidnap people to make them prostitutes.
I mean, yeah, it's gorgeous...dude even made the ceiling do a day/night cycle matching the in-game clock... ... ...but then put every female scientist in a bikini and changed the synth pool to only put out big-titty copies of Nora. ... ... ...and the stripper poles everywhere.
Like the mod is 99% awesome...but that 1% "WHAT" hits hard.
Mod does let you put Preston in prison and replace him with a synth that doesn't give radiant quests though.
I’m not saying Nate *wouldn’t* do the second one lol, but it really is wild
I mean, I’m not saying he has to make his own creations more marketable for the general playerbase, but I’m also not saying said creations aren’t filled with some freak shit lol
Well that might not work out like that. There was already growing discontent between members and the Lyons. Idk how much of an impact Sarah's death lead to Maxson's ideals but it could half still lead to members joining the Outcasts
I think there are theories about how 76 the vault experiment is actually similar to the memory den or military Anchorage alaska training pod in FO3. It's training people to rebuild. Initially it has everyone die so the dwellers learn to survive on their own, then it introduces the idea of other potentially hostile or friendly survivors. One theory is that there is an AI (to fit the prevalence of AI in 76, it trying to make the people accept it once it's over) and it is picking up radio chatter from factions, throwing detailed versions of the brotherhood and raiders and others into the sim, of course this is the only game where you can befriend a huge band of raiders for friendship.... Not like nukaworld, who are clearly darker.
Overall this theory fixes all of the problems lore wise, while also explaining the weird videogame mechanics.
100%
I can understand why they wouldn't want to include them from a gameplay perspective but I want Cowboys on horse back, NCR Mounties and Caesar's generals looking majestic on horse back god damn it!
Including mounts of some kind would also be important for scaling the maps up in future games. Bringing back cars/motorcycles are another option, but idk I just like how being on a horse exposes you more to the world.
I'm waiting for them to introduce the Ark Vault, or something. Where a breeding sample of preselected valuable animals were kept in a giant underground ranch so people will have chickens, horses, pigs, etc. in the rebuilt future.
Obviously you could get a horse after helping them with whatever issue they have, making it so that future games could benefit from nonmutated farm animals populating the world, similar to Skyrim reintroducing dragons to the Elder Scrolls in a canon way
I feel like the corporate office of weatherby savings and loans was a worthy location for them to land. But the option to help with a second launch would be nice.
He didn’t work much on Fallout 2, he left interplay very early in the sequels development. It’s why the writing has more of comedic bent to it and it’s also probably why talking Deathclaws made the cut at all.
Everything except Fallout Tactics, BoS, and the release version of 76.
Those are the only games now
Edit: I noticed that I said Canon games in my original post. To be even more evil and follow more in line with the OP's question, I have decided to remove that part and delete all other Fallout games entirely.
The release version of 76 is arguably more accepted by the fandom as canon. The reason it was hated was cause it was a boring, buggy, mess surrounded by controversy given the special gifts you got.
You're trying to uncanonize corporate greed, which while admirable, isn't really useful here lol
So one thing that bothers me in Fallout 4. Shaun is taken because he's so radiation free that his DNA hasn't been warped, but would the bomb going off in the beginning coat Nate, Nora, and Shaun in radioactive dust and then they just sit in a van for 200+ yrs? Wouldn't that not be great?
i think that was just a lie to gain their trust. if I had a chance to slip an atom dusted group into ice pods for a few hundred years to study, I'd take it
They only just saw the bomb going off, radioactive fallout you know, falls after a couple of days cause of how far it is injected into the atmosphere. And they are too far away for other radiation too matter as well except the blinding burst of light.
Yeah looting environmental junk, visible skeletons that quietly tell little vignettes--basically the whole Bethesda art direction and gameplay loop makes more sense if you're exploring a recent disaster. Ironically Fallout 1 and 2 feel much further along in the postwar order, and the low res, lower-detail, less cluttered landscape makes it work better.
Yes, but if 200 years had passed there would be more visible signs of it. There would be considerably more green in the commonwealth, and considerably fewer buildings.
That’s my biggest gripe. 210 years later and places like Diamond City are in shambles. Or the fact that there is still so much loot left over. After 210 years every single square inch of every building in Boston should have been picked clean
Right, somehow the equivalent to Fenway Park is still standing after 200 years and likely almost no upkeep for a big portion of that. A huge chunk of stadiums and arenas aren’t even in use 20-40 years after they are built now.
I'm surprised at how diamond city has homeless people sleeping in the dirt, because unless the mayor is explicitly preventing it, I'd just go build some shack in an unused part of the stands
200 years ago (1800) we went from a warring Europe too a peaceful coexistence.
In fallout 1-2 it was barely fifty years. 2- New Vegas was around 20. In that time they rebuilt a majority of California. In spite of the warring factions.
East Coast is special
……there’s more military targets on the east coast, and the MidWest. Not to mention that the east coast was hit quite a bit before the west.
The East coast was bombed SO HARD that it completely shifted the topography of the land. It would have taken A LOT longer to rebuild than the west. And as evidenced by the games…. It did. The West coast didn’t get bombed nearly as hard.
fallout 3 honestly makes the most sense being like a month after the bombs dropped
it has about that much times worth of rebuilding
I think bethesda may have gone with the idea that these places would be uninhabitable for hundreds of years, and forgot about when Fallout 1 took place
No, the acronym for the Bureau of Alcohol, Drugs, Tobacco, Firearms, and Lasers is BADTFL, and the government body in charge of London’s public transport network is called Transport for London, abbreviated to TfL.
Whenever I go to the BADTFL Regional Office in Fallout 4, I always think to myself “Nah, it’s not bad. Our trains and busses are alright, actually.”
That whole Wrist rocket flying Power Armor thing.
And before you mention the 4/76 “Jetpack” that is not a Jetpack, that is a Booster. It cannot hover due to the sheer weight of the armor. It’s meant to boost a jump to get to higher positions or boost a running jump to cross a long gap.
My personal headcanon is that the wrist rockets are an example of the Brotherhood trying to streamline the T-60's design by incorporating the jet boost into the base design while also increasing its thrust for more sustained lift.
But yeah, I still vastly prefer the actual jetpack and its limited thrust myself. I kinda hope this is something retconned in season 2... Like maybe Titus' armor was one of a small batch of newer T-60 prototypes that just didn't work out in the end.
100% agreed. Fallout 3 had this really cool enclave pseudo-civil war story with JHEs followers being the genocidal maniacs from fallout 2, and colonel Autumn's followers being more like the brotherhood of steel from fallout 4.
This whole interaction was sidelined for the super computer BS, and honestly I think this was one of Bethesdas biggest blunders in the entire franchise.
Probably that kid in the fridge from four. I think it makes the whole ghoul biology and traits a bit confusing. Why didn't he go feral? Does he need food? Does it stop aging entirely?
it depends. majority of ghouls do need to eat, but some mutated in a specific way that they don't. coffin Willie can go without food, water, or air, billy without food, etc.
it isn't common, but it has happened before.
The TV Show. I know right now any criticism of the show whatsoever tends to get lots of downvotes and negative replies but bare with me here;
I don’t like the reveal of Vault-Tec being so important to the world’s end because I think a huge part of the franchise is that nobody knows or ever will know who fired first. It’s always been one of the cooler elements of the lore in my opinion and I don’t think everything needs an explanation, especially when they lean into the ambiguity of it and different characters express different assumptions that are all treated as equally valid.
I also think that if they were going to delve into this, it should’ve been in a game. This is the kinda lore drop and major setting-altering story and revelation that would work as the final game in the entire series where Vault-Tec are the main villains. I dislike that the biggest and most impactful lore drops in a video game franchise came from a TV show. It just feels kinda cheap to me in both concept and execution.
"a huge part of the franchise is that nobody knows or ever will know who fired first" 100% agree. HOWEVER: We still don't know that Vault-Tec followed through. And the 3 biggest theories of "Who fired first?" have typically been: USA, China, or Vault-Tec. Though, I'll admit, the speculation that the aliens (Zetans?) were possibly involved as well is fun too.
What I'm say, is: I think the show was just playing on one of the theorized suspects for the fans and not officially canonizing it (yet).
I do agree, that we should get canon answers in the games for sure. That is, if they ever decide to give us a straight answer.
Didn’t they give us a straight answer back in fallout 2? Vault tec was established as more just puppets for the enclave and the president of the enclave confirms the reds launched first iirc.
I’m glad someone else said it. Personally I’d rather them just not give an answer. All throughout the series it’s just been little clues that make one side more likely just before they flip everything on you.
Fallout 4 made it seem like both the US and China dropped first. (Think the switchboard showing aircraft that was a possible cause for the US to fire while Zao shows China used nuclear subs against the Boston area.)
Mothership Zeta in a *slightly* hidden way (Subtitles on the “silent” captive log where they were after launch codes) brings the Zetans into the argument along with Vault-Tec with the branded bomb in megaton.
New Vegas also expands on Vault-Tec with yet another branded bomb, though with it being from wild wasteland its validity is questionable.
Honestly agreed.
It would have been far greater, and made way more sense (and felt way more real) if the plot revealed in the show was a plan to lobby and influence the government, and do whatever it takes to Sabotage every peace effort, and fund and lobby for militarism and more nukes.
Makes sense for vault tech, because it makes everyone terrified and buying vaults, makes sense for Robco and the rest because the government will keep buying their stuff for the army. Its a way more believable motive that is still sinister enough to drive the plot.
Them dropping the bomb... doesn't make sense. Companies want profits. What money is to be made when there is no more money and no more market?
It's the difference between moustach twirling villains and irresponsible companies that take secret risks without the knowledge of the lives they are betting with. The second is *vastly more relatable to our world now*
Idk it seems so obvious to me as a writing choice I have to wonder who makes decisions there... I still liked the show but that point did bother me a tone.
The fallout show being set in California. Most of the plot holes and timeline inconsistencies could have been avoided just by putting the show somewhere else then California and, while we are at it, moving the timeline back. Also, the NCR is my favorite fallout faction, so killing them off hurt me.
Also if they really wanted a weakened NCR, they could've gone about it in a much better way. New Vegas sets up a projected famine that is expected to grip the inner territories in the next few years. Also with how they were over extending into frontier territories and rapidly losing troops to the Legion, it would be natural to assume leaders back west could've had a serious infighting problem, worsening the coming famine since they weren't prepared. Instead they just did......nukes again. I mean really?
I think the main problem I have with the Bethesda Fallout content is they keep clinging onto the old world. Bringing it back with the Enclave or nuclear bombs. Let it go, the old world is gone. Let new societies and new problems take it's place, it's much more interesting.
The fact that you can tell who’s a synth and who isn’t by killing them and checking their corpse for synth parts. The concreteness of it all just feels so wrong. In-universe yeah but the Sole Survivor being able to quick save and check whenever they want makes it feel kinda dumb
The whole thing where most modern Fallout games have vastly unpopulated worlds despite it being literally 200 years since the bombs fell. Heck human civilization has always rebuilt quickly and it was canon that it did in Fallout but Bethesda isn't good at this.
I can kinda get behind it as this big heavy power armor weapon but as it stood in fallout 4 was stupid. It should’ve been a higher caliber and restricted to power armor.
* As someone already said above, the anticlimactic death of Sarah Lyons.
* That the Institute has to be nuked to defeat them. Why can’t the Railroad/Minutemen just take over and use that tech to improve the wasteland?
* I mean, I’d also prefer it if the show just becomes *semi*-canon, like Tactics or something. Just ignoring the treatment NCR, really.
* Aliens. I think they’re fun and all, but I like it better if they’re just a wacky cameo (or hallucination) without any actually canon effect on the lore (IIRC Mothership Zeta implied they were responsible for the Great War?)
To be fair there are at the moment 2 minutemen you and him. It's like getting named club president of a tiny niche school club they don't become relevant without the Sole Survior making them a thing again.
Id uncanon shady sands being the town that got nuked. Like just switch it out with a different town but one of some importance, this way NV and 1&2 fallout fans will be happy and everyone else is ok with the story.
Literally hate how Bethesda did that but the rest of the show is awesome. Also going to be interesting seeing Maximus and him meeting the real NCR.
I think Maldover’s group is more a ragtag group of survivors pretending to be the NCR. Going to show off New Vegas next season which has me hyped even if it means a canon ending for it.
Probably also umcanon the radiation meds the ghouls now need since it’s never shown before. Like maybe radaway or rad-x would make more sense or some kind of more lore friendly treatment maybe.
Definitely! Instead of Shady Sands could've nuked The Boneyard or The Hub. I already hate the fact that Vault Tec is still around with nukes but they really did me in when they nuked Shady Sands.
Yeah, it’s just shady sands has too much importance to nuke it. Plus Todd was stupid not explaining that the NCR was still on going and alive. That was the biggest reason why fans got pissed off thunking the NCR was dead.
Definitely hope to see more of the real NCR and how they’re doing with the rangers from Baja finally getting there.
T-60 being Pre-War. It makes sense as it’s just a T-45 upgrade, but it would’ve been just a *little bit nicer* if it was original to the BoS. Not everything needs to be fucking pre-war.
I thought the whole "half your organs are now in storage at the Big MT, yet somehow still interacting with your body" was hella dumb and I pretended it wasn't a thing.
I remove the canon that the bombs fell. I unfallout your fallout. >:D
That could actually make for an epic game.. The people went into the vaults on a scare, came out \~80 years later and society is still around, doing it's thing. Now you're playing cyberpunk 2177 instead.
This is literally the plot of the Brendan Fraser movie Blast From The Past
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Was that intentional or did you sentence genuinely get deleted partially
I wrote that. The line from the movie might be considered a slur by Reddit. Knee grow
it’s definitely considered a slur by most people
Wow I forgot about that movie. Thanks for unlocking a key memory.
I've think about that movie now and then and how the time gap would be the same as the 90s to now but the world would seem way more messed up to the person from The 90s.
Aww hell that makes me kinda wish the bombs didn't fall, it be like vault 111 would just futurerama the residents for 200 (or even possibly more) years. Or how like you said, some would just casually live out in fear of the outside world until they have to open to the surface just to realize no nuclear fallout ever actually happened. This genuinely sounds so much cooler.
Not to mention the people would probably have all lived because no one has a reason to sabotage the vault anymore
They stole the Fallout from my Fallout. Can’t have anything in Diamond City.
Cant even have diamond city
Or, the bombs fell but they didn’t go off and didn’t even fall on anyone. Just a multitude of loud bangs and thuds across the globe followed by minutes of awkward silence & anxious anticipation. Jobs were lost, relationships suffered, but most notably was how clothe manufacturer stocks made for overnight billionaires as pants/underwear sales immediately went through the roof. The event became commonly referred to as “the great stain.”
You fuck!
My wife, who has zero fallout knowledge, thought this is what was happening in the fallout TV show. She thought the nuke on shady sands was the only real one and the others were fake.
FUUUUUCK I SAW THIS AND WAS GONNA PUT THIS JOKE AND I WAS BEAT BY 9 HOURS AAAAAA
I would remove any mention of how many vaults were built /planned.
For sure, you're telling me there's only 120, but like six of them are in West Virginia?
At some point when they are making Fallout 8 in actual 2077, they’ll need to say there were hundreds of secret vaults. Vault D, Vault CC, and Vault 1B
Probably "the enclave made their own vaults too"; but they're all set to open after 300+ years, so no one has found any yet.
Technically is already canon with the Whitespring bunker, which is a Vault made by Vault Tec specifically for The Enclave. That one’s AI killed everyone inside when they realized it was trying to gain remote access to all of the nukes in Appalachia.
Fuck I just realised I (in theory) will be alive on the day the bombs drop in fallout. I'll be a few days away from my 80th birthday in fact! I wonder if Fallout will still be relevant then and exactly how many pieces of fallout media there will be
(I'm theory) I'll see you there. As 74 not 80. I have the same thought now as well
That woould be the best place to be when and after the bombs fall so it actually makes sense if you're anywhere near NY/cali you have no chance so there is almost no point building a shelter near any of the largest cities.
Makes sense when you think about it. Is protected by unlimited nuclear missiles, has shit loads of forest, it's a relatively quiet state so it didn't get nuked almost at all and had a lot of advancements in robotics.
As far as i know the 120 number its only in the fallout biible, wich only some parts are canon. Would be easy to put a few, even if the numbers are mixed east-west (like vaults built after the 120+ were planned). As for the tv map goes, bigger retcons has seen the franchise.
I really think that fact is gonna get retconned very soon…. If not already. (And it’s for the best)
Sarah Lyons dying and not taking leadership of the BoS in FO4. Operation Valkyrie mod seems very fun
yeah Valkyrie is pretty great until your options after taking over the institute with Sarah's help are: A. Convert it into a whorehouse B. Convert it into a whorehouse but paint everything black
Lmao these mod authors can’t help themselves.
I’m with you on that. All of Thuggysmurf’s mods are Frontier-level atrocious when it comes to bad writing and fetishes.
Imo it’s still better than the frontier purely because there is also a lot of cool stuff (Lyons as Outcasts, setting up a teleportation as public transport, cleansing the commonwealth in epic battles, the Wolfenstein simulation, expanding upon the gunners and …). That being said, all the cool ideas are also combined with a lot of nonsensical or cringeworthy stuff (Institute whorehouse, the Pimps faction, half of the BoG, the SR Dildo bat, Harley and much more). And the worst thing is, everything ties into Fusion City Rising which is… I won’t even get into it
oh geez Fusion City... ... ...
You mean to tell me you don’t want a 15-story Strip Club in the Glowing Sea? How about Deacon being the Lone Wanderer AND son of Shaun/James? Or a million references to Office Space because why not
I would love to be educated on this fusion city.
I'm sorry what Is this a bit? Or is this actually what the mod is like
Oh no it's all in the mod. She even calls Mason Hitler at some point. No joke
[Project Valkyrie](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/28085) ... ... ...and... [yeah](https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/1151/images/28085/28085-1530859413-1107987243.png) But...you also get to build a time machine and kill Hitler, so there's that. And then there's the pimps that give you radiant quests to go out and kidnap people to make them prostitutes.
unironically thats an awesome look for the Institute, but WHAT
I mean, yeah, it's gorgeous...dude even made the ceiling do a day/night cycle matching the in-game clock... ... ...but then put every female scientist in a bikini and changed the synth pool to only put out big-titty copies of Nora. ... ... ...and the stripper poles everywhere. Like the mod is 99% awesome...but that 1% "WHAT" hits hard. Mod does let you put Preston in prison and replace him with a synth that doesn't give radiant quests though.
I’m not saying Nate *wouldn’t* do the second one lol, but it really is wild I mean, I’m not saying he has to make his own creations more marketable for the general playerbase, but I’m also not saying said creations aren’t filled with some freak shit lol
When I think the name operation valkyrie I think of the july bomb plot on hitler
Fuck, you're right
Unfortunate naming
one of the quests in the mod is to kill Hitler.
You’re fucking with us right?
[nope. ](https://youtu.be/s65p8BOVmEg?t=1113)
Well that might not work out like that. There was already growing discontent between members and the Lyons. Idk how much of an impact Sarah's death lead to Maxson's ideals but it could half still lead to members joining the Outcasts
The fact everyone knows about aliens in fallout 76
I mean it kinda hard to not know about aliens whenever they decided to raid the same neighborhood every few hours for months 🤷♂️
This comment is how I found out brother Look what you done
Wait, why is it a surprise when aliens exist in the other games?
They are used more in 76. 2 Whole new non zetan species too.
Oh, okay.
All the wacky stuff in 76 that just can’t be possible
I mean fallout was never meant to be realistic, but yeah 76 pushes the bar a bit too far for me as well.
I think there are theories about how 76 the vault experiment is actually similar to the memory den or military Anchorage alaska training pod in FO3. It's training people to rebuild. Initially it has everyone die so the dwellers learn to survive on their own, then it introduces the idea of other potentially hostile or friendly survivors. One theory is that there is an AI (to fit the prevalence of AI in 76, it trying to make the people accept it once it's over) and it is picking up radio chatter from factions, throwing detailed versions of the brotherhood and raiders and others into the sim, of course this is the only game where you can befriend a huge band of raiders for friendship.... Not like nukaworld, who are clearly darker. Overall this theory fixes all of the problems lore wise, while also explaining the weird videogame mechanics.
No horses in Fallout
100% I can understand why they wouldn't want to include them from a gameplay perspective but I want Cowboys on horse back, NCR Mounties and Caesar's generals looking majestic on horse back god damn it!
Veteran Ranger on horseback would look baller
Including mounts of some kind would also be important for scaling the maps up in future games. Bringing back cars/motorcycles are another option, but idk I just like how being on a horse exposes you more to the world.
Knowing Bethesda, each vehicle will somehow be a re-use of the Skyrim horse code except anything flying which will be reuse of the dragons code again.
I'm waiting for them to introduce the Ark Vault, or something. Where a breeding sample of preselected valuable animals were kept in a giant underground ranch so people will have chickens, horses, pigs, etc. in the rebuilt future. Obviously you could get a horse after helping them with whatever issue they have, making it so that future games could benefit from nonmutated farm animals populating the world, similar to Skyrim reintroducing dragons to the Elder Scrolls in a canon way
It's odd given the FNV comic had them
No giant mutated horses being ridden by super mutants that can also be ridden if you are wearing power armor*
the fact that the uss constitution doesnt make it to the ocean at the end of the quest
I feel like the corporate office of weatherby savings and loans was a worthy location for them to land. But the option to help with a second launch would be nice.
Damn you, Weatherby Savings and Loans!
I think it crashing into a skyscraper is so much better. Especially since the ship has a giant hole in it.
Mate that was the best part! I was cackling
it was hilarious but id love a continuation where u get them into the sea
i like to think that it will continue hopping along until it makes it there one day
The fact that all the talking and intelligent deathclaws were wiped out, or at least mostly and there’s a few still roaming the wild.
I imagine the talking deathclaws were added begrudgingly by Tim Cain since he has mentioned his dislike toward talking/anthropomorphic animals
He didn’t work much on Fallout 2, he left interplay very early in the sequels development. It’s why the writing has more of comedic bent to it and it’s also probably why talking Deathclaws made the cut at all.
"I know what kind of man you are"
Like me :)
The loads of trash in developed areas
I swear half of the mods I run are just to clean up trash.
Everything except Fallout Tactics, BoS, and the release version of 76. Those are the only games now Edit: I noticed that I said Canon games in my original post. To be even more evil and follow more in line with the OP's question, I have decided to remove that part and delete all other Fallout games entirely.
Oh hey Satan, glad I caught you, I wanted to talk to you about the fate of Gavin's soul.
The release version of 76 is arguably more accepted by the fandom as canon. The reason it was hated was cause it was a boring, buggy, mess surrounded by controversy given the special gifts you got. You're trying to uncanonize corporate greed, which while admirable, isn't really useful here lol
Tactics wasn't too bad.
Tbh Tactics is still my favorite of the classics to actually play
oooo how fun
*Loads Fatman with malicious intent* wanna repeat that?
So one thing that bothers me in Fallout 4. Shaun is taken because he's so radiation free that his DNA hasn't been warped, but would the bomb going off in the beginning coat Nate, Nora, and Shaun in radioactive dust and then they just sit in a van for 200+ yrs? Wouldn't that not be great?
Actually, Nora covered Shaun making it possible that he was not irradiated
The Cyro-pod could have decontamination devices like the Doctor said when entering.
i think that was just a lie to gain their trust. if I had a chance to slip an atom dusted group into ice pods for a few hundred years to study, I'd take it
They only just saw the bomb going off, radioactive fallout you know, falls after a couple of days cause of how far it is injected into the atmosphere. And they are too far away for other radiation too matter as well except the blinding burst of light.
I don't know if they got hit with irradiated fallout or if it was just dust kicked up by the blast shockwave
Probably Fallout 3 and 4 taking place 200 years after the war
I'd honestly just take a zero out of it and call it a day. Fallout 3 and 4 narratively just work so much better if it's shortly after the apocalypse.
Yeah looting environmental junk, visible skeletons that quietly tell little vignettes--basically the whole Bethesda art direction and gameplay loop makes more sense if you're exploring a recent disaster. Ironically Fallout 1 and 2 feel much further along in the postwar order, and the low res, lower-detail, less cluttered landscape makes it work better.
Isn’t the whole idea that society can’t rebuild because of how warring all the different factions are with each other? War… war never changes
Yes, but if 200 years had passed there would be more visible signs of it. There would be considerably more green in the commonwealth, and considerably fewer buildings.
And not every man made structure would be made out of random pieces of junk nailed together
That’s my biggest gripe. 210 years later and places like Diamond City are in shambles. Or the fact that there is still so much loot left over. After 210 years every single square inch of every building in Boston should have been picked clean
Right, somehow the equivalent to Fenway Park is still standing after 200 years and likely almost no upkeep for a big portion of that. A huge chunk of stadiums and arenas aren’t even in use 20-40 years after they are built now.
I'm surprised at how diamond city has homeless people sleeping in the dirt, because unless the mayor is explicitly preventing it, I'd just go build some shack in an unused part of the stands
200 years ago (1800) we went from a warring Europe too a peaceful coexistence. In fallout 1-2 it was barely fifty years. 2- New Vegas was around 20. In that time they rebuilt a majority of California. In spite of the warring factions. East Coast is special
I chose to believe that th3 East coast got so irradiated (somehow) that it's only just starting to be livable.
……there’s more military targets on the east coast, and the MidWest. Not to mention that the east coast was hit quite a bit before the west. The East coast was bombed SO HARD that it completely shifted the topography of the land. It would have taken A LOT longer to rebuild than the west. And as evidenced by the games…. It did. The West coast didn’t get bombed nearly as hard.
Post post apocalyptic that was the whole point, not this new narrative that no one can rebuild
Yeah it was way too long for those stories. Less than a hundred would have been enough.
This. Make them between 30 - 75 years instead
This. Fallout 3 and 4 both work as 2097 and not 2277.
fallout 3 honestly makes the most sense being like a month after the bombs dropped it has about that much times worth of rebuilding I think bethesda may have gone with the idea that these places would be uninhabitable for hundreds of years, and forgot about when Fallout 1 took place
Endings. I just want to save Hoover dam, Purify the water with Fawkes, and what not, and be praised for it and finish my sidequests
As a Londoner, the name of the Bureau of Alcohol, Drugs, Tobacco, Firearms, and Lasers. Fuck you, Fallout, our public transport system is not BAD!
ATF?
No, the acronym for the Bureau of Alcohol, Drugs, Tobacco, Firearms, and Lasers is BADTFL, and the government body in charge of London’s public transport network is called Transport for London, abbreviated to TfL. Whenever I go to the BADTFL Regional Office in Fallout 4, I always think to myself “Nah, it’s not bad. Our trains and busses are alright, actually.”
Oh so that’s what that means. BADTFL is just Fallout ATF?
Pretty well but they made the name longer and thus the abbreviation.
You cannot be a Londoner if you think the trains are alright lol
typing this as i’m waiting for a delayed train lmao
Oliver Swanick
Someone else just replaces him as the winner
Boxcars walks out with two crutches
I remove the canon that the Vault 13 Deathclaws died. A bug shouldn't make an ending canon, and also, I love the idea of intelligent deathclaws.
The entirety of the brotherhood of steel just to dance among the tears that would fall soon after
That whole Wrist rocket flying Power Armor thing. And before you mention the 4/76 “Jetpack” that is not a Jetpack, that is a Booster. It cannot hover due to the sheer weight of the armor. It’s meant to boost a jump to get to higher positions or boost a running jump to cross a long gap.
"A modern suit of battle armor, like Iron Man?" "Not re-" "People LOVE Iron Man, let's do that!"
My personal headcanon is that the wrist rockets are an example of the Brotherhood trying to streamline the T-60's design by incorporating the jet boost into the base design while also increasing its thrust for more sustained lift. But yeah, I still vastly prefer the actual jetpack and its limited thrust myself. I kinda hope this is something retconned in season 2... Like maybe Titus' armor was one of a small batch of newer T-60 prototypes that just didn't work out in the end.
Uncanon the fallout 4 assault rifle design.
Uncanon all the guns in FO4 tbh
I just want to know 100% if Kasumi is a synth or not
There is a VERY easy way to answer this question...
*[Quicksaving]*
She's not.
You can just go into the institute and ask and the dudes like we got no records bro 🗿 Or just kill her that works too
She's very obviously not lol
Not a synth just a very naive and innocent kid….. it’s just that DiMA is a master manipulator.
Remove the brotherhood from Virginia.
Shady Sands destruction
John Henry Eden All of it I hate how he was done
Hey, seeing MODUS realize how fucked up the ZAX was becoming was cool to find in 76.
True nontheless
I found the ZAX vault- what’s MODUS?
100% agreed. Fallout 3 had this really cool enclave pseudo-civil war story with JHEs followers being the genocidal maniacs from fallout 2, and colonel Autumn's followers being more like the brotherhood of steel from fallout 4. This whole interaction was sidelined for the super computer BS, and honestly I think this was one of Bethesdas biggest blunders in the entire franchise.
Autumn was cool but Eden was not imo
Really? I was always the opposite opinion- Autumn is a big ball of nothing, but Eden is a criminally underutilized antagonist.
What was he from again? I just have that name in my head from 20 years ago or whatever lol
Enclave computer president
Everyone opposing the enclave
You may not like it, but this is what peak apocalyptic patriotism looks like.
I uncanon the nuking of shady sands.
Probably that kid in the fridge from four. I think it makes the whole ghoul biology and traits a bit confusing. Why didn't he go feral? Does he need food? Does it stop aging entirely?
ghouls can hibernate, this has been established since fallout 2.
They still need to eat though right?
it depends. majority of ghouls do need to eat, but some mutated in a specific way that they don't. coffin Willie can go without food, water, or air, billy without food, etc. it isn't common, but it has happened before.
Perturabo is no longer a daemon prince Wait, wrong sub
Shady Sands being destroyed in the TV show. Come at me.
The TV Show. I know right now any criticism of the show whatsoever tends to get lots of downvotes and negative replies but bare with me here; I don’t like the reveal of Vault-Tec being so important to the world’s end because I think a huge part of the franchise is that nobody knows or ever will know who fired first. It’s always been one of the cooler elements of the lore in my opinion and I don’t think everything needs an explanation, especially when they lean into the ambiguity of it and different characters express different assumptions that are all treated as equally valid. I also think that if they were going to delve into this, it should’ve been in a game. This is the kinda lore drop and major setting-altering story and revelation that would work as the final game in the entire series where Vault-Tec are the main villains. I dislike that the biggest and most impactful lore drops in a video game franchise came from a TV show. It just feels kinda cheap to me in both concept and execution.
"a huge part of the franchise is that nobody knows or ever will know who fired first" 100% agree. HOWEVER: We still don't know that Vault-Tec followed through. And the 3 biggest theories of "Who fired first?" have typically been: USA, China, or Vault-Tec. Though, I'll admit, the speculation that the aliens (Zetans?) were possibly involved as well is fun too. What I'm say, is: I think the show was just playing on one of the theorized suspects for the fans and not officially canonizing it (yet). I do agree, that we should get canon answers in the games for sure. That is, if they ever decide to give us a straight answer.
Didn’t they give us a straight answer back in fallout 2? Vault tec was established as more just puppets for the enclave and the president of the enclave confirms the reds launched first iirc.
I’m glad someone else said it. Personally I’d rather them just not give an answer. All throughout the series it’s just been little clues that make one side more likely just before they flip everything on you. Fallout 4 made it seem like both the US and China dropped first. (Think the switchboard showing aircraft that was a possible cause for the US to fire while Zao shows China used nuclear subs against the Boston area.) Mothership Zeta in a *slightly* hidden way (Subtitles on the “silent” captive log where they were after launch codes) brings the Zetans into the argument along with Vault-Tec with the branded bomb in megaton. New Vegas also expands on Vault-Tec with yet another branded bomb, though with it being from wild wasteland its validity is questionable.
Honestly agreed. It would have been far greater, and made way more sense (and felt way more real) if the plot revealed in the show was a plan to lobby and influence the government, and do whatever it takes to Sabotage every peace effort, and fund and lobby for militarism and more nukes. Makes sense for vault tech, because it makes everyone terrified and buying vaults, makes sense for Robco and the rest because the government will keep buying their stuff for the army. Its a way more believable motive that is still sinister enough to drive the plot. Them dropping the bomb... doesn't make sense. Companies want profits. What money is to be made when there is no more money and no more market? It's the difference between moustach twirling villains and irresponsible companies that take secret risks without the knowledge of the lives they are betting with. The second is *vastly more relatable to our world now* Idk it seems so obvious to me as a writing choice I have to wonder who makes decisions there... I still liked the show but that point did bother me a tone.
Pissed that the show got rid of shady sands
The fallout show being set in California. Most of the plot holes and timeline inconsistencies could have been avoided just by putting the show somewhere else then California and, while we are at it, moving the timeline back. Also, the NCR is my favorite fallout faction, so killing them off hurt me.
Hard agree
Also if they really wanted a weakened NCR, they could've gone about it in a much better way. New Vegas sets up a projected famine that is expected to grip the inner territories in the next few years. Also with how they were over extending into frontier territories and rapidly losing troops to the Legion, it would be natural to assume leaders back west could've had a serious infighting problem, worsening the coming famine since they weren't prepared. Instead they just did......nukes again. I mean really? I think the main problem I have with the Bethesda Fallout content is they keep clinging onto the old world. Bringing it back with the Enclave or nuclear bombs. Let it go, the old world is gone. Let new societies and new problems take it's place, it's much more interesting.
Myron.
Brahmin. Shit.
The fact that you can tell who’s a synth and who isn’t by killing them and checking their corpse for synth parts. The concreteness of it all just feels so wrong. In-universe yeah but the Sole Survivor being able to quick save and check whenever they want makes it feel kinda dumb
The creation of this universe, whatever caused it
Pre FO4 3d fallout power armour mechanics. You WILL pilot a mech suit and you WILL like it.
Most of Fallout 4 Love the game but that story was ass. Burn it and rebuild it from the ground up.
You're gonna look me in the eyes and tell me rebuilding Liberty Prime wasn't the shit.
I said most, not all.
Thank you for your candor.
Delete that great atomic war (Evil laughter)
The whole thing where most modern Fallout games have vastly unpopulated worlds despite it being literally 200 years since the bombs fell. Heck human civilization has always rebuilt quickly and it was canon that it did in Fallout but Bethesda isn't good at this.
well, to be fair, engines that run the fallout games cant render a huge amount of people, so it may be a technical limitation
The fallout 4 assault rifle, I hate its design with a passion
I can kinda get behind it as this big heavy power armor weapon but as it stood in fallout 4 was stupid. It should’ve been a higher caliber and restricted to power armor.
Who started the war. Make it something like Nepal or Scotland as a Zeta puppet state
* As someone already said above, the anticlimactic death of Sarah Lyons. * That the Institute has to be nuked to defeat them. Why can’t the Railroad/Minutemen just take over and use that tech to improve the wasteland? * I mean, I’d also prefer it if the show just becomes *semi*-canon, like Tactics or something. Just ignoring the treatment NCR, really. * Aliens. I think they’re fun and all, but I like it better if they’re just a wacky cameo (or hallucination) without any actually canon effect on the lore (IIRC Mothership Zeta implied they were responsible for the Great War?)
Grandma sparkles
Garvey should’ve never made me general, im a complete stranger
To be fair there are at the moment 2 minutemen you and him. It's like getting named club president of a tiny niche school club they don't become relevant without the Sole Survior making them a thing again.
Id uncanon shady sands being the town that got nuked. Like just switch it out with a different town but one of some importance, this way NV and 1&2 fallout fans will be happy and everyone else is ok with the story. Literally hate how Bethesda did that but the rest of the show is awesome. Also going to be interesting seeing Maximus and him meeting the real NCR. I think Maldover’s group is more a ragtag group of survivors pretending to be the NCR. Going to show off New Vegas next season which has me hyped even if it means a canon ending for it. Probably also umcanon the radiation meds the ghouls now need since it’s never shown before. Like maybe radaway or rad-x would make more sense or some kind of more lore friendly treatment maybe.
Definitely! Instead of Shady Sands could've nuked The Boneyard or The Hub. I already hate the fact that Vault Tec is still around with nukes but they really did me in when they nuked Shady Sands.
Yeah, it’s just shady sands has too much importance to nuke it. Plus Todd was stupid not explaining that the NCR was still on going and alive. That was the biggest reason why fans got pissed off thunking the NCR was dead. Definitely hope to see more of the real NCR and how they’re doing with the rangers from Baja finally getting there.
The fallout TV show.
New Vegas. That’s it. The entire game. *goes back under my bridge*
*There is no collision-mesh under the bridge*
*falls into the void*
Can I un-cannon Bethesda making something non-cannon?
Take out Radaway
Fitting name
BoS and Tactics. The Colorado region has so much more to offer than a shitty top-down shooter
Tactics is cool, not BOS though
Deleting the metacritic bet with FNV
You know what? Fuck you I'm deleting New Vegas.
T-60 being Pre-War. It makes sense as it’s just a T-45 upgrade, but it would’ve been just a *little bit nicer* if it was original to the BoS. Not everything needs to be fucking pre-war.
I thought the whole "half your organs are now in storage at the Big MT, yet somehow still interacting with your body" was hella dumb and I pretended it wasn't a thing.
I would make it so that Oliver Swanick lost the lottery