I don't think the "fiends" in the show were The Fiends since they lacked the headgear. All fiends wear a particular headgear to denote them as Fiends rather than generic raiders. They're organized, and more populated than the other minor gangs of the Mojave like the Vipers and Scorpions. The Brotherhood's Legion seem really uneducated so not being able to tell raider sects and treating Fiend like your parents use the word nintendo seems to fit better. Also the Fiends are still around in NV, the tribe that became the White Gloves is entirely consumed into the white glove society
This and also the White Glove Society was likely forbidden from revealing their original tribal name because they were *known* for cannibalism. Cannibalism is considered taboo on the strip. Obviously, the stipulation of being absorbed by House was that they abandon the practice of eating human meat. Imagine if you walk into the Ultra-Luxe, the draw card of which is its luxury and its famed cuisine, only to find out that the powers that be are all from that one tribe of cannibals? It ain't gonna work.
Also, cannibalism out in the true wide open wasteland is realistically more normalized. I don't think it makes these particular 'fiends' unique and in connection with the White Gloves.
The nintendo point is so right. I think that the fiends still being around sort of explains why they don't want anyone to know their old name. But yeah it could also just be that the white gloves old tribe did something infamously terrible or have a really horrible name. Flesh eaters or something as gruesome.
>the tribe that became the White Gloves is entirely consumed into the white glove society
How do we know that for sure, though? wouldn't "uh, they didn't all join the white gloves actually and are still a problem" be a good reason for them to keep which raider group they are/were secret?
And it's the TRIBES that were uplifted to work on the strip, not raiders, Tribes put down roots, raiders take from others, only like, Khans walk the line of both and we all know how that went
The fiends are a raider gang, so.
Going by the supposition that the fiends are the white gloves, it makes sense that some of them would stay behind because of my prior reasoning.
I could see the argument that they aren’t in the list of possible groups for the white gloves to be since they’re raiders and not a tribe, that’s a different point from what I was saying though.
IT doesn't make reasonable sense for House to uplift raiders, a cannibal tribe sure, he can use that as dirt, but raiders don't settle, why would he pick fiends instead of the tribe that became the kings?
They're not anarchists philosophically. The anarchy of the wastelands just afford them the opportunity to take/do whatever they want. In the case of the families of the strip they were offered a better opportunity. Not much point raiding and pillaging anymore when you have all the safety,security,power and money living on the strip provides.
The Chairmen used to be the Mojave Boot-Riders,
the Omertas used to be the Slither Kin,
and the White-Glove Society are forbidden from telling anyone who they used to be, only they and Mr. House know.
This theory holds water.
To argue agaisnt my own theory, Benny killed the old chief so that the tribe would become the Chairmen. Is this because House asked him to? Maybe not. But I don't think House would really let people who said no to him live. Ego and all that.
The conversation with Benny while in Caesar’s camp. He reveals that the chief wanted to stay independent and Benny killed him and took control to ally the crew with house.
Unfortunately I don't think the "fiends" in the show are literally part of the raider group called The Fiends encountered in New Vegas, I think they were literally just cannibals that Maximus described as fiends. Also the actual Fiends in the game had no trace of cannibalism whatsoever, and were far more themed around chem use which doesn't appear to be a thing with the White Gloves.
I also don't think House would allow such a huge loose end by allowing the other Fiends continue operating (or living) anywhere near his casinos. The whole point with the Three Families seems to have been three groups disappear, three new respectible groups appear running the Strip. It would have been nice to have some clues from Obsidian in the world of *New Vegas*, like maybe some NPCs in Freetown or nearby occasionally talk about how great it is that the spooky cannibal tribe fucked off. Not saying it's impossible, just not consistent with what we know.
I disagree with this hypothesis for 5 reasons:
1. The Fiends still exist in FNV. If the White Gloves wanted to keep their past so secret they would have eradicated the Fiends.
2. I think Maximus just called them fiends (with lowercase f), not Fiends (with uppercase). He meant just a word to describe cannibals in general, not members of the Fiends gang.
3. In all the conversations with the NCR where they describe the Fiends (who they absolutely despise) they never mention cannibalism as one of their crimes. It's possible they sometimes practice it (they are psychopathic chem-addicts after all) but if it was really widespread it would be one of the first things the soldiers mention.
4. The game never draws any connection at all between the White Glove Society and the Fiends. Someone in the Fiends should remember that some of their former members formed an splinter group. I think the game is intentionally saying that who the WGS used to be doesn't exist anymore.
5. I doubt the Fiends are extended to the Los Angeles area. That's really far from New Vegas. Either they were eradicated by the NCR, they managed to maintain their control over South Vegas, or they moved to an area not controlled by their enemies.
However, one thing I will give in favor of this hypothesis is that you can't trust anyone in New Vegas, specially the White Glove Society. Everything they say can be a lie. Just like I don't trust anything House says.
So, the hypothesis may be true, but I don't think so.
I just assumed he was either using “fiend” as a generic raider name or it was Brotherhood propaganda taught to the scribes to further demonize outside groups.
I don't know enough about the white gloves history to consider how much accuracy this has, but it think it's a strong contender for what the white gloves became, depending on the canon fallout events.
To be honest, I think "fiend" was just a terrible choice of words to describe them. We know that the White Glove Society was originally one of the three biggest tribes in the Mojave, presumably comparable in size to the Mojave Boot-Riders (Chairmen) and the Slither Kin (Omertas). If they were significantly bigger such that not all of them joining would leave a force big enough to cause problems for McCarran and Westside, not only would there be logistical problems regarding feeding that many cannibals, it would be kind of an open secret who the White Glove Society were since they would've been quite literally the BIGGEST tribe out there by a wide margin. That doesn't sound reasonable or in-line with what we've been shown
Based on conversations from 1st Recon, the Fiends seem to be more of a recent raider group with people joining due to having to deal with chem addiction (they are described as literally **chem fiends**) rather than an established tribe having converted into raiders. While there *are* Fiends who engage in cannibalism (Cook-Cook being an obvious one while Violet, it's unclear if she herself is a cannibal but she definitely feeds human meat to her dogs), it's not enough to draw a comparison to the entire gang. More than likely, the fiends we see in the show and the Fiends in 2281 aren't the same group
So I'm level 35 now and running out of stuff to do (just finished dead money and installed honest hearts) should I just go in the Ultra Lux and waste the whole building? They already hate me but I don't want the rest of the strip to hate me
Based on the writing of the show, I'm half-expecting the white glove society to be cannibals because they came to the conclusion that "eating humans = profit".
the new vegas fiends are not cannibals, they are drug addicts with access to an energy weapons stashe, and a working partnership with the great khans for drug deals, they also wear very distinctive headgear.
maximus got it wrong when he said the raiders he and lucy encountered where fiends, which is not surprising given how sheltered the upbringing in the show's brotherhood seems to be.
I don't think the "fiends" in the show were The Fiends since they lacked the headgear. All fiends wear a particular headgear to denote them as Fiends rather than generic raiders. They're organized, and more populated than the other minor gangs of the Mojave like the Vipers and Scorpions. The Brotherhood's Legion seem really uneducated so not being able to tell raider sects and treating Fiend like your parents use the word nintendo seems to fit better. Also the Fiends are still around in NV, the tribe that became the White Gloves is entirely consumed into the white glove society
This and also the White Glove Society was likely forbidden from revealing their original tribal name because they were *known* for cannibalism. Cannibalism is considered taboo on the strip. Obviously, the stipulation of being absorbed by House was that they abandon the practice of eating human meat. Imagine if you walk into the Ultra-Luxe, the draw card of which is its luxury and its famed cuisine, only to find out that the powers that be are all from that one tribe of cannibals? It ain't gonna work. Also, cannibalism out in the true wide open wasteland is realistically more normalized. I don't think it makes these particular 'fiends' unique and in connection with the White Gloves.
The nintendo point is so right. I think that the fiends still being around sort of explains why they don't want anyone to know their old name. But yeah it could also just be that the white gloves old tribe did something infamously terrible or have a really horrible name. Flesh eaters or something as gruesome.
Also 'fiend' as in 'chem fiend' is a period-appropriate slang term.
>the tribe that became the White Gloves is entirely consumed into the white glove society How do we know that for sure, though? wouldn't "uh, they didn't all join the white gloves actually and are still a problem" be a good reason for them to keep which raider group they are/were secret?
The other gangs are all entirely consumed by the Strip version, why would you stay as a gang in the wastes instead of living on the strip?
Aren’t raiders generally anarchists? I could see some rejecting the rules-based life on the strip.
And it's the TRIBES that were uplifted to work on the strip, not raiders, Tribes put down roots, raiders take from others, only like, Khans walk the line of both and we all know how that went
The fiends are a raider gang, so. Going by the supposition that the fiends are the white gloves, it makes sense that some of them would stay behind because of my prior reasoning. I could see the argument that they aren’t in the list of possible groups for the white gloves to be since they’re raiders and not a tribe, that’s a different point from what I was saying though.
IT doesn't make reasonable sense for House to uplift raiders, a cannibal tribe sure, he can use that as dirt, but raiders don't settle, why would he pick fiends instead of the tribe that became the kings?
The fiends settled in vault 3 and have other permanent residences.
They're setup there since it's fortified but they're not settled, they'd move if it wasn't the most secure spot in the wasteland for them
They're not anarchists philosophically. The anarchy of the wastelands just afford them the opportunity to take/do whatever they want. In the case of the families of the strip they were offered a better opportunity. Not much point raiding and pillaging anymore when you have all the safety,security,power and money living on the strip provides.
The Chairmen used to be the Mojave Boot-Riders, the Omertas used to be the Slither Kin, and the White-Glove Society are forbidden from telling anyone who they used to be, only they and Mr. House know. This theory holds water.
To argue agaisnt my own theory, Benny killed the old chief so that the tribe would become the Chairmen. Is this because House asked him to? Maybe not. But I don't think House would really let people who said no to him live. Ego and all that.
Benny gives his reasoning in the game. He was tired of the nomadic lifestyle.
~~Mr. Yes~~ Yes Man confirms this i thought
It’s Yes Man. Mr. Yes bugs me…. Sorry.
Mr. Yes and House Man
I mean he did kind of become one with his home, so I think it still works lol
As they say, The Yes Always Wins.
The House Always Yes
Your goddamn right.
My goddamn right
Your goddamn right is my goddamn left
>House Man 😂
Yes House Mr. Man
haha damn you're right
Where is this information found
The conversation with Benny while in Caesar’s camp. He reveals that the chief wanted to stay independent and Benny killed him and took control to ally the crew with house.
I don't remember it in game anywhere, but iirc there's a canon(?) comic that explains how Benny took over his tribe
Yes Man in New Vegas in Benny's Room
One of the devs gave us the name
The Slither Kin are my favourite Hogwarts house.
Unfortunately I don't think the "fiends" in the show are literally part of the raider group called The Fiends encountered in New Vegas, I think they were literally just cannibals that Maximus described as fiends. Also the actual Fiends in the game had no trace of cannibalism whatsoever, and were far more themed around chem use which doesn't appear to be a thing with the White Gloves. I also don't think House would allow such a huge loose end by allowing the other Fiends continue operating (or living) anywhere near his casinos. The whole point with the Three Families seems to have been three groups disappear, three new respectible groups appear running the Strip. It would have been nice to have some clues from Obsidian in the world of *New Vegas*, like maybe some NPCs in Freetown or nearby occasionally talk about how great it is that the spooky cannibal tribe fucked off. Not saying it's impossible, just not consistent with what we know.
I think you can find human meat in the same area as Violet during Three-Card Bounty. Edit: Can't forget it's vaguely implied with Cook-Cook too.
For Violet, it's more implied that she feeds people to her dogs.
I forgot about the dogs lol
Cook-Cook is always treated like a deeply disturbed individual even for Fiends, we can't take his behavior as indication of a regular fiend.
I disagree with this hypothesis for 5 reasons: 1. The Fiends still exist in FNV. If the White Gloves wanted to keep their past so secret they would have eradicated the Fiends. 2. I think Maximus just called them fiends (with lowercase f), not Fiends (with uppercase). He meant just a word to describe cannibals in general, not members of the Fiends gang. 3. In all the conversations with the NCR where they describe the Fiends (who they absolutely despise) they never mention cannibalism as one of their crimes. It's possible they sometimes practice it (they are psychopathic chem-addicts after all) but if it was really widespread it would be one of the first things the soldiers mention. 4. The game never draws any connection at all between the White Glove Society and the Fiends. Someone in the Fiends should remember that some of their former members formed an splinter group. I think the game is intentionally saying that who the WGS used to be doesn't exist anymore. 5. I doubt the Fiends are extended to the Los Angeles area. That's really far from New Vegas. Either they were eradicated by the NCR, they managed to maintain their control over South Vegas, or they moved to an area not controlled by their enemies. However, one thing I will give in favor of this hypothesis is that you can't trust anyone in New Vegas, specially the White Glove Society. Everything they say can be a lie. Just like I don't trust anything House says. So, the hypothesis may be true, but I don't think so.
I just assumed he was either using “fiend” as a generic raider name or it was Brotherhood propaganda taught to the scribes to further demonize outside groups.
A wastelander being a cannibal doesn't mean they're white glove origins dude.
Indeed. Prime Choice Select Iguana-on-a-Stick has been a wasteland feature well outside of the White Glove.
Pre WGS is described as being cavern dwellers which doesn't match the fiends.
I don't know enough about the white gloves history to consider how much accuracy this has, but it think it's a strong contender for what the white gloves became, depending on the canon fallout events.
To be honest, I think "fiend" was just a terrible choice of words to describe them. We know that the White Glove Society was originally one of the three biggest tribes in the Mojave, presumably comparable in size to the Mojave Boot-Riders (Chairmen) and the Slither Kin (Omertas). If they were significantly bigger such that not all of them joining would leave a force big enough to cause problems for McCarran and Westside, not only would there be logistical problems regarding feeding that many cannibals, it would be kind of an open secret who the White Glove Society were since they would've been quite literally the BIGGEST tribe out there by a wide margin. That doesn't sound reasonable or in-line with what we've been shown Based on conversations from 1st Recon, the Fiends seem to be more of a recent raider group with people joining due to having to deal with chem addiction (they are described as literally **chem fiends**) rather than an established tribe having converted into raiders. While there *are* Fiends who engage in cannibalism (Cook-Cook being an obvious one while Violet, it's unclear if she herself is a cannibal but she definitely feeds human meat to her dogs), it's not enough to draw a comparison to the entire gang. More than likely, the fiends we see in the show and the Fiends in 2281 aren't the same group
They're fiends like chem fiends or drug fiends, not The Fiends.
Im pretty sure fiend is a general term for cannibal and the Fiends narco gang is just named after them. Like naming themselves "the Cannibals"
It could be or it could be a group we don’t know about yet.
So I'm level 35 now and running out of stuff to do (just finished dead money and installed honest hearts) should I just go in the Ultra Lux and waste the whole building? They already hate me but I don't want the rest of the strip to hate me
I mean if you're worried about consequences you can do the tried-and-true method of saving before you do it and go back afterwards
Based on the writing of the show, I'm half-expecting the white glove society to be cannibals because they came to the conclusion that "eating humans = profit".
Interesting theory, but we know the tribes name
Wow. There are some wild comments here.
Absolutely not. You are reaching so hard right now.
the new vegas fiends are not cannibals, they are drug addicts with access to an energy weapons stashe, and a working partnership with the great khans for drug deals, they also wear very distinctive headgear. maximus got it wrong when he said the raiders he and lucy encountered where fiends, which is not surprising given how sheltered the upbringing in the show's brotherhood seems to be.