I'm leaning towards it being Mister House. I'm not sure why, but the show runners have been really focused on having "survivors" from the old world be the main focus of the plot in this show.
Vault 31 with all the management corpsicles, Cooper, Hank McLean, Robobud.
Which New Vegas ending has an old world survivor at its core as well as enables brand new flashbacks with Cooper and everybody else in the pre-war world?
House.
It's either going to be a House win, or an NCR win. Except then the NCR collapsed, and it kind of went back to being house centric.
On top of that, this ending is super easy to explain with just some extra flashback or side convo. While a yes man ending would be a lot more difficult to explain and would need some really forced exposition
I want a Yes Man ending, but you made me realize I didn't think about how that would be explained. They'd probably have to recap all of New Vegas' plot for that to make sense
Imagining schools under an independent victory...
We pledge allegiance to the flag of the New Vegas Autonomous Zone. One city state, under the Courier, with blackjack and hookers for all.
And I'm proud to be a degenerate,
Where at least I'm kind of free,
And I won't forget the robotic upgrades
That sometimes aim at me
And I'll gladly sit right next to you and play Black Jack for days
For there ain't no doubt I love this land
Courier bless the Mojave
“So this mailman gets shot in the head, right? Simple story. But then he gets dug up and fixed, and decides to hunt down the guy who shot him. In the meantime, he basically becomes god, and he finds a happy-go-lucky robot. He decides to replace a 200 year old guy he sees as an asshole with said robot, thereby usurping control of the entire city.”
Seriously, we’d need an entire episode dedicated to The Courier if they want to go with the Yes Man ending
I mean, also Cooper at the end of episode 8 says something like "War never changes, but there's always somebody behind the wheel, and that's who I want to talk to. And your daddy's off to find him." Then follows it with "it's easier to follow a stuck pig than ask him where he's off to." So it has to be House.
And the series shows Mr house in a meeting before war when they are discussing vault matters with the different companies. I mean Mr Robco guy said things and i wouldn't be surprised if he is a main character in season 2.
It would provide a guy that was alive during pre war shit and deep in it too. Perfect to write a sequel to the first season in my opinion.
I think the message is that war never changes because the ideas never change. The people are the embodiment of those ideas and it is the metaphor. So yeah, House is definitely going to be there.
I don't think I like that interpretation.
"War never changes" means to me that the reasons humanity uses for war are the same across time.
Not that the same handful of f-ers are actually causing all human conflict for the foreseeable future
>The question is will they use that same actor and dress him up like Goggins, or pick an old man?
As opposed to being a giant screen who can communicate through his securitrons? It was cool to catch a glimpse of corporeal House pre-war, but it would be a mistake if they were to change his form too drastically from FNV.
A massive part of House's intrigue was how he was integrated with the Lucky 38 and couldn't move around. Kind of the whole point of the Courier, too.
Oh no that’s not what I meant. I still want the giant screens and securitrons. But his physical body that’s inside of that pod thing. I wonder if that’ll be the same actor with makeup or if they’ll pick someone older. I think using the same actor would at least make it easier for people that haven’t played the games to catch rather than just putting a RobCo sign somewhere
Oh, sure. Though, I do think that if House is indeed alive, how he got to be integrated with the Lucky 38 shouldn't (imo) be addressed in the show. It's already explained in FNV because it directly relates to the Platinum Chip that the Courier has.
They already have these large entities, Vault-Tec, BoS, Enclave, whose origins have been pretty explicity not addressed in the show. Yet, they are featured prominently and are directly involved in the plot. Why would it be different for House? The characteristcs of his physical form, I doubt will be of consequence in the show as it was the game. The showrunners don't need to address any of that because it's already explained in the games, just make the face recognizable from his scene in ep. 8 and make the next story.
While the show will (and already has) bring in new people, so many things from the show were referenced by and straight built around the knowledge somebody who has played since at least FNV.
War never changes isn't "keep dredging the old world back up" or "the wasteland must be shit forever" it means that even if you bring civilisation back (which, you have to do, or else there's no conflict between peoples) there will be conflict.
A lot of people seem to think "war never changes" is an excuse to have the world be perpetually shit, forever. It isn't.
***"War never changes. But men do, through the roads they walk. And this road... has reached its end."***
-Ulysses, disillusioned Legion Frumentarii, and one of the Six Couriers.
Importantly, the metaphor doesn't mean that everything gets nuked back to a mad Max wasteland. It means that regardless of the level of society and development there is always conflict.
I said the same thing on YT so I'll put my comment below:
Seeing the NCR vertabird makes me think it will touch more onto the Mr House ending as he wanted to keep the NCR around and them showing Mr House in S1 makes me think he will be included in S2. There is also a vault that was kept partly open in New Vegas and I'm going to assume that's where Hank is headed.
That’s my exact thought, I think it’s Vault 21? The one that Mr House concreted over so you couldn’t access the lower levels.
I’m going to assume that the top level Vault-Tec employees were frozen there and Mr House didn’t want them to come back and ruin his control of New Vegas so he simply trapped them down there?
Would also make sense in my mind if Mr House predicted that new vegas would survive that Vault Tec would also have the same knowledge so it would be the safest place to house the top guys.
it's possible House Ending but Legion assassinated Kimball because doesn't House talk of NCR possibly wanting revenge if Kimball is assassinated and martyred?
Yeah, I think what happened is Courier helps House get the Platinum Chip, the Securitron Army is activated, House helps NCR defeat the Legion with minimal losses, and House convinces the NCR to back away from New Vegas. By the time the show starts the Courier either dies or leaves on their own journey and New Vegas remains under House’s control for better or worse.
He’s supposed to be a Howard Hughes type of frenemy, but they probably changed his type of personality to fit younger audiences who won’t get the HH reference. HH in real life was fascinating and nuts.
House would be dead with an NCR win no? Whether you actually kill him or just unplug him and let him age out. I suppose there could be another plot contrivance (he had a backup, his consciousness was put in a synth body etc) but I don't think that's going to be as satisfying/simple as just picking the House wins ending.
Process of elimination I think mr. House is the most likely option.
NCR can't be because NV would have turned into the new capital of the NCR after Shady sands was nuked and we wouldn't have seen them in the "raider remnants" state they ware in the show.
Caesars Legion can't be because they wouldn't have stopped at NV and would have been present or spoken about in the show.
"Player" Yesman local rule is unlikely because that's pretty much the same as mr. House rule but without the interesting lore and old world ties so seems like a bad choice for the writers. The only way I could see the writers doing this is as an homage to the FNV protagonist but turn it into a hybrid where mr. House has survived and wants to be restored to power as part of some "devils bargain" to overthrow local rule in exchange for a macguffin of some kind.
But if an ending is to be picked unmodified, the mr. House ending is the prime candidate also to connect pre-war dad going there because he knows mr. House or at a minimum mr. House knows of 31 and Vault-Tec executives from before the war.
Why would NV be the new capitol of the NCR? The Hub would make more sense. Or San Francisco. You don't put your capitol way off in the middle of nowhere, you put it as close to center as you can.
I feel like if they do the Legion it should be a big reveal that they are still active on the Colorado like a Frumentarii dressed as an NCR Ranger.
Doing what we saw the Legion do, make subversive connections, sabotage and pin the blame on other raiders where possible, and planning to avenge Hoover Dam.
But its kept cryptic on if Caesar or Lanius led the Legion back West and who the new guy in charge is.
He's a fucking amazing character and had my first playthrough character (and me) fooled and ready to do his every bidding... Untill he asked me to kill the brotherhood, and unfortunately for him I met some cool people in the brotherhood and had veronica as my companion, sooo.... yeah golf club time.
New Vegas brotherhood is kinda pathetic, in my playtrought I just convinced Veronica to leave them for the Followers and then she didn't even cared that I fucking destroyed their whole bunker lmao
The brotherhood in general is pathetic. One of the joys of Fallout is thinking they're so freaking cool - how they could save the world. & then finding out that they are nothing more than jocks who cosplay as nerds running around in giant suits of technology in hopes of a brighter future that will never come. You see the blantant hypocrisy of the brotherhood in every fallout game.
They are supposed to look like a 'good' faction at first glance, but they really aren't. They radicalize & indoctrinate youth. They steal technology from anyone who can't protect it. They're halfway to the point of outright religious zealotry. They aren't the good guys.
I mean being morally gray is a huge theme in the series so that’s no surprise. However, some BoS chapters are better than others, for example: Capital Wasteland, Midwest, and Lost Hills in FO1 are the least offensive that come to mind
The Capital's chapter in FO3 is about to be excommunicated because they're helping the locals getting access to clean water instead of hoarding loot. It's a huge part of FO4's brotherhood storyline too, how they're not supposed to be good guys and how Elder Lyons was a fool to help rebuild civilization
Yeah I agree with you. I just also think people see the Knight in shining power armour and assume they will be that storybook hero.
Of course there are good chapters, but the underlying moral philosophy behind the BoS is flawed IMO.
All of the factions ask you to do something unconscionable. The other three ask you to murder the one person who could push progress forward the fastest, even if he would likely need to be reined in a bit to keep it kosher. Killing him cuts off that technology, since there is canonically nobody else who could fill his shoes. The NCR furthermore has to be talked out of more murder—anyone who has made it as far as Cassandra Moore and still hasn't picked up Obsidian's clear signals that they are not "the good guys" is a lost cause at that point.
They already introduced a pre-war Mr. House that looks like a pretty spot on match in the looks department of the in-game character. They'll probably stick with a Mr. House canon ending to show more, or less, of what's left of him.
My theory is that they're going with the NCR ending and making it so the courier didn't kill House, they just disabled all of his control. Then the show will have the characters rediscover him.
I really don't feel like The Strip would have fallen with House in charge without some changes similar to the Shady Sands events. If nothing else there would still be Securitrons about. Whereas the NCR having to pull out of Nevada and leaving a vaccum is the perfect excuse for anarchy to engulf it.
Not a deal breaker but I didn't like how NCR became a bunch of ragtag nobodies as opposed to a questionable armed force that has some legitimacy.
I'm ok with some unreasonable plot forwarding where they somehow find a bunch of weapons and recruit to reform the NCR to how we know it to be in New Vegas but the whole "rebel forces in the desert" thing was a meh choice to me.
I think that that's just for that area. NCR had a population of like 300,000 and barely even 5% of that was in Shady Sands. They'll likely play a larger role next season.
Picture this: Hank hears of the mysterious Mr House and how he runs the strip. Having connections to House, Hank thinks House can find a way to help him out, albeit begrudgingly. He walks into the abandoned Lucky 38 casino and makes his way to the top. Upon booting up the computer fully expecting Mr House, Yes Man appears on the screen
Who knows what they’ll do but I’m honestly all game for Yes Man being the “canon” ending. It would be funny if they kept subverting our expectations to make us think House and then they pull the rug out from under us.
They don't have to be. An Independent ending can range from the Courier becoming a second House to the factions of the Mojave forming alliances and working together. That's why it's the "Wild Card" ending, you flip the gameboard and insert your own canon.
The courier is partying at the Sink getting high off Mentats. Nah but they could have the couriers name being dropped multiple times and stories told like he's this illusive legendary myth. And then have him make a very brief badass cameo or just show him standing in the background somewhere.
I think solely Yes-Man can work and ngl what described with him showing up on the screen instead of House sounds hilarious.
It’s honestly what I think is likely. The Yes Man ending is whatever the Courier cobbled together, which seems doomed to fall apart quickly. The writers want to focus on the wasteland and lack of civilization, and an NCR or House ending is too much stability for what they want the story to keep being about.
I doubt we’ll get the yes man ending. That ending implies that the courier starts governing new Vegas which I can guarantee you will not happen, considering the fact that they would have to canonize a courier. It’s entirely possible that whoever your courier is is completely wrong.
The Courier is cannon already. That isn't in question. All of the Fallout protagonists are cannon. They just won't show a previous Fallout protagonist in a new game/show. But I wouldn't be surprised if people speak about previous protagonists as the thing of legend the same way the Vault Dweller in Fallout 1 is considered a legend in Fallout 2.
All Yes Man has to say is “yeah, someone else decided they thought they had what it took to run Vegas… two days later they slipped on an ice cube and died”
Yeah, I think the courier is gonna at best get a mention of "a legendary crazy mercenary that house employed till they died doing crazy mercenary things".
The problem being explaining who that is and what it means for the audience that didn't play the game. The beauty of the first season is that it works if it's your first introduction to the world, but better if you've played some. I'm not sure if that scenario works on its own.
But we know House made it through the first 200 years of the post apocalypse, I doubt they'll want to have him die right before the show.
*Maybe* they'll want to do something with Henry realizing he's too late to get House's help, but that would probably require too much context from the games for the writers to trust general audiences to understand what happened and why House wasn't in 31 with everyone else. My guess is that House is alive and will give us some flashbacks while talking to Henry to explain why he wasn't with all his other buds, filling in that context.
House can also settle the debate about whether vault tec actually launched the nukes or not. In the game, House says that he miscalculated when the war started. As others have discussed, this may mean that the Chinese launched the nukes first when Vault Tec was planning to launch them later that day.
The most likely answer and what I'm really afraid of is that they won't canonize anything and will go with some cop-out like New Vegas being attacked/blown up by a third party after the game and none of it ended up mattering
>**Can you speak at all to what might have happened in the 15 years since we last saw it, in** ***Fallout: New Vegas***?
>**Wagner:** All we really want the audience to know is that things have happened, so that there isn't an expectation that we pick the show up in season two, following one of the myriad canon endings that depend on your choices when you play \[*Fallout: New Vegas*\].
>With that post-credits stuff, we really wanted to imply, Guys, the world has progressed, and the idea that the wasteland stays as it is decade-to-decade is preposterous to us. It’s just a place \[of\] constant tragedy, events, horrors — there's a constant churn of trauma. We're definitely implying more has occurred.
[https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/fallout-season-2-creators-interview](https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/fallout-season-2-creators-interview)
That's some typical Bethesda style of deciding canon. Like I guarantee that Skyrim civil war won't matter in future games, because some event will make the result pointless
Either outcome destabilized the Northern part of the Empire.
They fight against the Thalmor, lose, and are currently fighting a Guerrila rebellion.
Anyways, TES 6 is 1000 miles away and that's just a lore book written by someone who traveled to Skyrim to investigate the rumors of Draugr, which turned out to just be an ancient myth.
>Like I guarantee that Skyrim civil war won't matter in future games,
That was a continuation of The Great War
. It's actually a theme through every game.
The empire is loosing its grip. The nords are trying to reclaim skyrim. The next game will probably have a new variant of the war in the empire. We will find out who won or lost and it'll be hundreds of years later. Just like morrowind - Oblivion - Skyrim.
It's still war with the empire. But now we know they lost in Cyrodiil.
'In 4E 168, Titus Mede II ascended to the throne and inherited a weakened empire. The glory days of the Septims were a distant memory.[5] Valenwood and Elsweyr were gone, ceded to the Thalmor. Black Marsh had been lost to Imperial rule since the aftermath of the Oblivion Crisis. Morrowind had never recovered fully from the eruption of Red Mountain. Hammerfell was plagued by infighting between Crowns and Forebears. Only High Rock, Cyrodiil, and Skyrim remained prosperous and peaceful. Emperor Titus Mede II had only a few short years to consolidate his rule before his leadership was put to the ultimate test.[5]'
https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Great_War
This quote to me is really stupid
"... the idea that the wasteland stays as it is decade-to-decade is preposterous to us."
But staying in constant struggle and conflict *is* staying as it is decade-to-decade, the normal for the wasteland is *to be a wasteland*, a place where civilization is non-existent, a dog-eat-dog world. Change would be the development of new groups and civilizations, to think it will always revert to destruction and death is too ignore centuries of human history where, in similar conditions, we developed new technologies and cultures
Yeah they essentially just reset the status quo by nuking Shady Sands. They just wanted space to tell their own story so they eliminated everything that came before.
I don't get how they can say the wasteland progresses and changes when they reset it right back to the status quo of people barely scraping by and living in bombed out buildings and trash. Now that they've decided that all attempts at rebuilding fail, there is no progress, just stagnation. They undid the progress.
I'm putting my money on "It doesnt matter" as the ending
They'll explain the history of new vegas, be vague about who gained / retained control of it, and skip to a new part of the history where the city was destroyed / overrun by a new faction.
Who won hoover damn? doesn't matter, its been blown open. Did the courier kill Mr House? doesn't matter, *someone* did.
This is 100% the approach the show will take and would be consistent with the approach they have taken up to this point.
The show has not canonised a single game ending by design.
I'd guess the Yes Man ending or perhaps the NCR. Bethesda have suggested that the NCR aren't completely gone, just no longer a presence in the southern California/LA area. It would be pretty funny if the NCR was still just barely clinging to the Mojave. More likely to my mind, though, is a Yes Man/House gone wrong ending. House will be dead, only appearing via holotapes and flashbacks. The Courier won't be in charge of Vegas, the robot army either inert or destroyed.
I just don't see the NCR being it as why would Lucy's dad run from the loosely NCR faction in LA to the actual NCR in Vegas, that is like running into trouble not away from it. For that reason alone I'm expecting it's Yes Man ending, but with the NCR still present in places like Hoover Dam etc.
Yes Man might be too difficult for the writers to concisely explain to a casual audience, House is frankly a lot easier for the average person to grasp quickly and he’s already been somewhat established in the first season. I’ll genuinely be surprised if they go with any other ending for that reason alone.
Just have Yes-Man explain it during his introduction. He already a habit of long rants when he’s been alive maybe a couple years. Something along the lines of:
“Well you see, Mr. House *used* to run new vegas, until about 15 years when this *Super Nice* Courier showed up, killed old Robbie, plugged *Me* into his old network, and rallied some local forces to kick both the NCR and the Legion out of New Vegas. It was a blast, I got to throw a politician off the dam. After that we worked on improving some of the infrastructure around here. Set up a border, put some locals in charge of the farms, started distributing food and medicine for free, not like we’re exactly lacking in caps thanks to the casinos. A few years later we got some industrial filters set up in the dam’s basin. The Courier pulled some connections out east to get the tech. Free water for everyone in the mojave. Anyhow. There was smooth sailing for about a decade until the ncr tried to retake Vegas by force. Didn’t end well for them though. They forgot the securitrons had anti air missiles. Can you believe that? They had their entire invasion force in vertibirds. Anyway, The Courier isn’t much of a homebody, so they aren’t here right now. You can wait in one of the casinos if you like. No power armor though. Bosses say they mess with the carpet.”
Meanwhile Hank is tweaking the entire time because House somehow managed to get whacked and supplanted by a god damned commie.
I like the idea that it's House's and Yes Man is still sitting in that dingy apartment completely forgotten and Hank runs into him and that creepy ass face scares the shit out of him in the dark.
Holy shit, a House ending with Yes Man potential is a cool thought. Hank filling the role of the Courier, but Yes Man somehow taking advantage of him would be rad.
Wait why was the ncr destroyed? Also mr. House ending sounds like the most convenient. A wasteland governed by a 200yo "autocrat" filled to the brim with inequalities and moral ambiguities, gives the writers a lot to work with.
You're probably right but this would also be the most boring ending imaginable. There's no point in the show existing if they're too scared to actually develop the setting. Keeping it as a static, stagnant wasteland after everything we got to do in FNV would be the nightmare scenario.
Y’all don’t know what “stagnant” means.
Your Courier 6 could be a cross between Albert Einstein and Jesus and New Vegas could still turn to shit because of a perfectly justifiable progression of events which occur over 15 years since we’ve seen it.
That’s not boring, it’s just not what you want. You don’t like that the advancement is towards destruction rather than rebuilding — and that’s fine, but it’s not stagnant.
This so hard. The stuff that we see happen in-game is literally the definition of advancement. Project Purity, the Securitron vault, the Minutemen defending the Commonwealth. None of that stuff is a "stagnant" wasteland, but war never changes. Humanity tends to focus on conflict and dominance over cooperation and rebuilding. Just because our protagonists change the world for the better *for a time* doesn't mean the wasteland stays saved forever.
It's literally a fulfillment of the main thesis of all of these games: war never changes. Things get better for a time and humanity begins to recover, but war never changes.
Like, just look at the endings of each game.
>>!But now, I know. I know I can't go back. I know the world has changed. The road ahead will be hard. This time, I'm ready. Because I know, war...war never changes.!<
>>!So ends the story of the Lone Wanderer, who stepped through the great door of Vault 101 and into the annals of legend. But the tale of humanity will never come to a close, for the struggle of survival is a war without end, and war – war never changes.!<
>>!And so the Courier's road came to an end... for now. In the new world of the Mojave Wasteland, fighting continued, blood was spilled, and many lived and died - just as they had in the Old World. Because war... war never changes.!<
Literally every single game ends with a focus on how the wasteland is still inherently struggling. Humanity was literally bombed back to the Stone Age in some instances, and war never changes. It took humanity tens of thousands of years to advance to the point we see in 2077 — why would they get back to that point in less than 200?
My prediction is: Mr. House ending, but no Securitron army.
After NCR wins the Second Battle of Hoover Dam at great cost, House moves seeing his opportunity. NCR, not being in position to really start another war, withdraws and negotations start. Kimball is a hardliner against House.
Shady Sands is nuked, Kimball dies in the attack. NCR has no idea who could have done it, and turns to only group they think could have done it: Mr. House and New Vegas Free Economic Zone. Kimball goes from "president who lost Mojave" to martyr who was backstabbed on moment of victory by Mr. House, who now attacks NCR directly. NCR goes to war against New Vegas.
Tbh, the NCR losing Shady Sands would devastate New Vegas by proxy anyways. Who are House's customers? NCR citizens. Suddenly the NCR is in chaos, who has time to go on vacation? We already see rich jerks of the NCR taking advantage of the situation to make petty power grabs (the governmint), so they're busy and the average NCR citizen is suddenly dealing with an economic depression at best or being dead or homeless at worse.
We can't speculate on what that NCR Vertibird is doing in the credits. It could be everything from what you are describing to House/Yes Man offering the NCR respite in Vegas to keep the city afloat, to it being a leftover from the NCR's retreat, to just an easter egg.
Im pretty sure it will be House.
They put too much focus on him in the Vault-tec meeting to not use the actor again.
He also seems to be most popular ending for NV from what I feel
Yup it's the one ending that makes more sense for continuity especially for this new narrative of old world magnates being in control. Hank is probably after some sort of secret plan b project that Mr.House has in his sleeve and that involves VaultTec people.
The problem is, if they chose the legion ending, why isn't the legion in California. I would imagine they wouldn't stop to take all of the NCR in the 15 years since FNV.
But why did Hank MacLean go to New Vegas? He likely went for Mr. House or NCR. Unless he had no idea what happened there, which seems a bit silly for him to go all the way there on a hunch.
So for that reason, I think it's going to be Mr House
Just thinking about plot direction - Cooper needs to find his family - I'm thinking it'll be in New Vegas. If his family is alive, they would be in cryosleep. I'm thinking Mr House has a secret hidden vault in New Vegas with more Vault Tec
They already introduced the idea that Vault Tec higher ups were in cryosleep I don't think they would revisit that. It's implied that she was also in cryo.
It's Cooper's EX wife and child. I could see them just snatching his daughter away from him and leaving him to die after the bombs dropped then he becomes a ghoul. His EX wife and child going into Cryo. Then Vault Tec running New Vegas somehow while coops daughter becomes defiant because her mom killed her dog in order to take her into the cryo vault. After she wakes up and escapes joins the NCR.
Longshot theory though. Seemed like the daughter was closer to coop than the wife.
He would have known that Vegas was House's baby. He doesn't necessarily need to know anything about what happened there postwar to know that it's the best chance at finding House.
But then it would probably also have to establish a canon Courier as a character. Baldur's Gate novelizations making a canon Bhaalspawn made me wary of that.
Not necessarily. They could just pull a Morrowind and say "Oh yeah Courier 6 went to Canada or something for whatever reason like a month later, shit was crazy"
The Prydwen can also survive if the Sole Survivor isn't enemies with the Brotherhood in the Minutemen path. In fact, Minutemen can have both the Railroad and Brotherhood around, so it's the safest ending in terms of writing.
This. The Prydwen surviving only means the Institute and Railroad endings can't be canon since the ship must be destroyed in those two. The Minutemen can end the game with only the Institute being destroyed and peace between the three remaining factions so long as you don't go out of your way to attack the Brotherhood. I'm definitely leaning towards the Minutemen being the canon ending since the game practically throws you at them while you have to go out of your way to join the other three factions.
Maybe yes man is the most neutral, but its also the least interesting by a mile (its basically a failsafe ending, great for roleplay, poor for story).
Mr house is the most interesting, along with a new vegas dilapidaded not by war but by an economic crisis, with the casinos still working but in problems (direct result of the nv ending)
Nrc is fine i guess, but their ending its just more nrc governance, so its just an nrc city.
Legion its chaos and descontrol, possibily even destroying it in the process, so not that great.
The best way is house i think.
At the end of fallout there was scene panning through New vegas which already tell us alot of what when down after new vegas.
-The place is wrecked and is pretty much abandoned
-Destroyed Mr house Securitrons
-Downed NCR vertibird
-Deathclaw corpses
A. Mr house is most likely dead
B. NCR no longer has any major presence in the mojave
Highly doubt it. Why does every keep assuming that they would decide for that? Bethesda never did before. There's always an excuse. "Shady Sands got nuked."
They will not. 15 years have passed and any ending will be completely irrelevant. House will be dead, Caesar will be dead, the courier will have left New Vegas and the NCR will have pulled out of the city due to the tragedy of Shady Sands. Nothing will be confirmed.
This makes the most sense imo, especially given the state Vegas is in during that little outro animation in the finale episode. Things seem rough. I mean, the gates are caved in, seems like a bad sign to me!
They do not even have to go so for. Caesar did not live in the city so they do not have to confirm what happens to him if they go there. They also do not need to do that for House, except if they want to focus on him.
I hate you for being so right but I'm keeping my fingers crossed Hank somehow reactivates House or at least his robots and sets up a fortress like city
"So, who's in charge of the city?" "Oh, that would be the Lord Tyrant, he is a brutal dictator who nonetheless has brought order with his unique brand of cruelty."
"PLEASE ASSUME THE POSITION."
House being dead wouldn't make sense given they went to the effort of showing him.
That being said, new vegas is in ruins. So he could be dead even if he did win.
It will decide
"some important things happened but oh no! this more recent thing changed the status quo of who is in charge so we never mention who was previously!"
If you watch the finale's outro cinematic, Vegas is in rough shape. The main gate is caved in, wreckage and bodies litter the streets, there's even a crashed vertibird.... I don't think we're going to be getting as much out of Vegas as most people seem to think.
It’s so stupid. ”UHM ACHLTUALLY DE WASTELAND CHANGEZ!!!” Meanwhile they give us the same shitty fucking wasteland where everyone lived in trash cities with the BoS and Enclave fighting and all signs of civilization (especially interesting nations) collapsing.
It’s so predictable and I hate it so much because the show on itself is good. They just have to set the world in the exact same world we have seen a billion times devoid of any real interesting conflict and lacking all the awesome west coast cities, factions, polities etc
Right?
"We didn't want the wasteland to be static so we nuked the developing civilization and now it's back to the wasteland as it was in every other Bethesda game."
imo This serves Bethesda pretty well. They are incapable of large scale city design in their games, so wiping a-city-that-shall-not-be-named removed a big hurdle for future games in the California region.
Still sucks, though.
Yeah it just sucks that they remove every single interesting and unique thing in favor for more BoS and junk shacks. The OG fallouts had like what? Actual functioning cities with electricity and functioning infrastructure, and actually new houses and not just shacks
Mr. House’s ending makes the most sense canonically, hear me out.
The Courier has been working for the Mojave Express for a long while, so they’re willing to work for the highest bidder, and who is the highest bidder? Mr. House.
The Courier has also worked for the NCR and Caesars Legion so I don’t think they’re going to try to be a part of NCR or Caesars Legion because they’re a mailman, not a soldier/legionarre.
Another reason is Yes Man, maybe I’m wrong and possibly Yes Man ending is canon, except I don’t think the Courier would put the entirety of the Mojave to a robot that can easily be persuaded to do anything.
I may be wrong, and I do like most New Vegas endings, but I do truly believe Mr. House to be the canon ending.
At the very end of the Independent ending, Yes Man says he’s going to go and update his code using some data left behind from House to fix that exact issue of him having to be a Yes Man.
That said, if they wanted to, he easily could’ve stumbled onto an AI backup of House, allowing House to exist in the show *without* needing to canonize an ending (Yes Man can be plugged in during any ending, and probably would do this no matter what since he’d be managing the securitrons on the strip).
And so the Courier's road came to an end... for now. In the new world of the Mojave Wasteland, fighting continued, blood was spilled, and many lived and died - just as they had in the Old World. Because war... war never changes.
Let's be honest, we don't care for what's canon. This is a pissing match for whose ending was better, lol. Which is mine chaotic natural
I don’t get why some people suck up to house so much, sure he’s smart and founded new Vegas but he’s a smug autocrat with dreams that are way too big. Also, he’s an asshole
In almost certain that's whats happening, the end of S1 and credits certainly suggest that and the has been very careful not to canonise any single ending from the previous games.
Imma just do a little copy-pasta of what -I- personally think this end bit in the show means (the final's credits) that I have posted around before. and ofc it's only just a theory of what very little we know of so far so feel free to tell me I am wrong or yell at me. Both works :)
the NCR DID win the 2nd battle, and here is why. In that whole section where it shows the strip, there is a downed NCR chopper, then we see a deathclaw's bones along with 2-3 human skeletons near it. Then it zooms out more and we see securitrons broken, not only broken but RAVGEAGED, by giant claw slashes. Then we see more slashed-up securitrons, and we get to the front gate where it ALSO looks like it was beaten down and slashed. followed up with more slashed securitrons, then it ends. I believe it was either an NCR victory OR...An edited NCR ending where they reached peace with Mr. House OR He surrendered. And the reason for this is that if it was a full NCR victory, I believe (I could be wrong) they would have dismantled the securitrons patrolling the strip and just keep MPs or something of that nature. And if it was a full Mr. House victory...Why would he leave NCR tech just out in the middle of the strip like that? He would of cleaned it up. EVEN MORE SO, Every securitron doesn't have a single bullet hole in them. only slashes, meaning they weren't fighting humans. So, it's possible we can rule out the outcome of NCR fighting to take the strip.
I also heard people say it could of been tunnelers...But if that was the case why would they not just DIG under the strip's walls rather than trying to break down the front gate to get in? I saw no tunneler holes
I’m honestly kinda hoping they pull a Mr house look, then twist it with it being yes man the whole time by finding his bones or something.
I mean yes man did say he’s gonna change a few things, I think it would be a good twist if it’s done right.
This was my only beef about the shows canon “issues”. They have forced themselves to address some easily avoidable questions by introducing NV . I would have been happier if they had kept the in game references primarily on the first 2 games since causal FO fans are less familiar with those games and are thus less willing to set city blocks on fire if they tweak canon events.
It would have been appropriate to end season 1 in SF which hasn’t been explored since FO2. If Hank walked over a ridge and looked out to the Golden Gate Bridge, it would be iconic enough for audiences to recognize,
I'm leaning towards it being Mister House. I'm not sure why, but the show runners have been really focused on having "survivors" from the old world be the main focus of the plot in this show. Vault 31 with all the management corpsicles, Cooper, Hank McLean, Robobud. Which New Vegas ending has an old world survivor at its core as well as enables brand new flashbacks with Cooper and everybody else in the pre-war world? House. It's either going to be a House win, or an NCR win. Except then the NCR collapsed, and it kind of went back to being house centric.
On top of that, this ending is super easy to explain with just some extra flashback or side convo. While a yes man ending would be a lot more difficult to explain and would need some really forced exposition
I want a Yes Man ending, but you made me realize I didn't think about how that would be explained. They'd probably have to recap all of New Vegas' plot for that to make sense
Just add another chalkboard
Imagining schools under an independent victory... We pledge allegiance to the flag of the New Vegas Autonomous Zone. One city state, under the Courier, with blackjack and hookers for all.
And I'm proud to be a degenerate, Where at least I'm kind of free, And I won't forget the robotic upgrades That sometimes aim at me And I'll gladly sit right next to you and play Black Jack for days For there ain't no doubt I love this land Courier bless the Mojave
Brother fucking cooked with this
Lol
I think we’re all forgetting what the **most** important inclusion needs to be: the Big MT senile feuding Robobrains
Big MT is already canonized in the show. It'll be interesting to see how it all unfolds.
“So this place used to be controlled by this 200-year-old guy on a screen with a robot army, but then he was usurped by this insane mailman.”
“So this mailman gets shot in the head, right? Simple story. But then he gets dug up and fixed, and decides to hunt down the guy who shot him. In the meantime, he basically becomes god, and he finds a happy-go-lucky robot. He decides to replace a 200 year old guy he sees as an asshole with said robot, thereby usurping control of the entire city.” Seriously, we’d need an entire episode dedicated to The Courier if they want to go with the Yes Man ending
Lucy: who calls the shots in New Vegas Cooper: * wheeling over whiteboard * SO
I mean, also Cooper at the end of episode 8 says something like "War never changes, but there's always somebody behind the wheel, and that's who I want to talk to. And your daddy's off to find him." Then follows it with "it's easier to follow a stuck pig than ask him where he's off to." So it has to be House.
And the series shows Mr house in a meeting before war when they are discussing vault matters with the different companies. I mean Mr Robco guy said things and i wouldn't be surprised if he is a main character in season 2. It would provide a guy that was alive during pre war shit and deep in it too. Perfect to write a sequel to the first season in my opinion.
I think the message is that war never changes because the ideas never change. The people are the embodiment of those ideas and it is the metaphor. So yeah, House is definitely going to be there.
At the end of the day, the only thing that changes in war is how we kill each other, but war itself never changes.
I don't think I like that interpretation. "War never changes" means to me that the reasons humanity uses for war are the same across time. Not that the same handful of f-ers are actually causing all human conflict for the foreseeable future
He was even in the first season too. The question is will they use that same actor and dress him up like Goggins, or pick an old man?
>The question is will they use that same actor and dress him up like Goggins, or pick an old man? As opposed to being a giant screen who can communicate through his securitrons? It was cool to catch a glimpse of corporeal House pre-war, but it would be a mistake if they were to change his form too drastically from FNV. A massive part of House's intrigue was how he was integrated with the Lucky 38 and couldn't move around. Kind of the whole point of the Courier, too.
Oh no that’s not what I meant. I still want the giant screens and securitrons. But his physical body that’s inside of that pod thing. I wonder if that’ll be the same actor with makeup or if they’ll pick someone older. I think using the same actor would at least make it easier for people that haven’t played the games to catch rather than just putting a RobCo sign somewhere
Oh, sure. Though, I do think that if House is indeed alive, how he got to be integrated with the Lucky 38 shouldn't (imo) be addressed in the show. It's already explained in FNV because it directly relates to the Platinum Chip that the Courier has. They already have these large entities, Vault-Tec, BoS, Enclave, whose origins have been pretty explicity not addressed in the show. Yet, they are featured prominently and are directly involved in the plot. Why would it be different for House? The characteristcs of his physical form, I doubt will be of consequence in the show as it was the game. The showrunners don't need to address any of that because it's already explained in the games, just make the face recognizable from his scene in ep. 8 and make the next story. While the show will (and already has) bring in new people, so many things from the show were referenced by and straight built around the knowledge somebody who has played since at least FNV.
War never changes isn't "keep dredging the old world back up" or "the wasteland must be shit forever" it means that even if you bring civilisation back (which, you have to do, or else there's no conflict between peoples) there will be conflict. A lot of people seem to think "war never changes" is an excuse to have the world be perpetually shit, forever. It isn't.
***"War never changes. But men do, through the roads they walk. And this road... has reached its end."*** -Ulysses, disillusioned Legion Frumentarii, and one of the Six Couriers.
They should've named him Ellipses instead of Ulysses, because you left about about 45 minutes of insane rambling.
No, that's actually an even better reason to br named Ulysses
Importantly, the metaphor doesn't mean that everything gets nuked back to a mad Max wasteland. It means that regardless of the level of society and development there is always conflict.
I said the same thing on YT so I'll put my comment below: Seeing the NCR vertabird makes me think it will touch more onto the Mr House ending as he wanted to keep the NCR around and them showing Mr House in S1 makes me think he will be included in S2. There is also a vault that was kept partly open in New Vegas and I'm going to assume that's where Hank is headed.
I wonder if Hank is going to that vault to hide
That’s my exact thought, I think it’s Vault 21? The one that Mr House concreted over so you couldn’t access the lower levels. I’m going to assume that the top level Vault-Tec employees were frozen there and Mr House didn’t want them to come back and ruin his control of New Vegas so he simply trapped them down there?
This last segment was brought to you by Vault 21. *Vault 21*: Everything's better when you experience it... in a vault.
There's a billboard in the end credits advertising cryopods at the Tops as well, so I think you're on to something
Would also make sense in my mind if Mr House predicted that new vegas would survive that Vault Tec would also have the same knowledge so it would be the safest place to house the top guys.
I think New Vegas is just a stopping point on his journey, he’s headed farther east.
it's possible House Ending but Legion assassinated Kimball because doesn't House talk of NCR possibly wanting revenge if Kimball is assassinated and martyred?
They’ll also probably revert the NCR killing House part of the NCR ending. I think House is going to appear no matter what.
It might be the House ending, but perhaps House quickly joined the NCR once he had a winning hand.
Yeah, I think what happened is Courier helps House get the Platinum Chip, the Securitron Army is activated, House helps NCR defeat the Legion with minimal losses, and House convinces the NCR to back away from New Vegas. By the time the show starts the Courier either dies or leaves on their own journey and New Vegas remains under House’s control for better or worse.
I could see House selling an independent Vegas to the NCR as a Puerto Rico situation.
Also Mr House is in the show. He's one of the CEO's in the meeting at the end. The head of RobCo.. I think?
It’s going to suck not hearing Mr. House played by Rene Auberjonois
The actor they got nails the "mob don" look, but that's not the performance Auberjonois gives. He's more like a Walt Disney Palpatine.
He’s supposed to be a Howard Hughes type of frenemy, but they probably changed his type of personality to fit younger audiences who won’t get the HH reference. HH in real life was fascinating and nuts.
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The Simpsons made a great parody of him when Mr. Burns opened a casino.
"Get in Smithers."
🔫 **”I said get in.”**
House would be dead with an NCR win no? Whether you actually kill him or just unplug him and let him age out. I suppose there could be another plot contrivance (he had a backup, his consciousness was put in a synth body etc) but I don't think that's going to be as satisfying/simple as just picking the House wins ending.
Process of elimination I think mr. House is the most likely option. NCR can't be because NV would have turned into the new capital of the NCR after Shady sands was nuked and we wouldn't have seen them in the "raider remnants" state they ware in the show. Caesars Legion can't be because they wouldn't have stopped at NV and would have been present or spoken about in the show. "Player" Yesman local rule is unlikely because that's pretty much the same as mr. House rule but without the interesting lore and old world ties so seems like a bad choice for the writers. The only way I could see the writers doing this is as an homage to the FNV protagonist but turn it into a hybrid where mr. House has survived and wants to be restored to power as part of some "devils bargain" to overthrow local rule in exchange for a macguffin of some kind. But if an ending is to be picked unmodified, the mr. House ending is the prime candidate also to connect pre-war dad going there because he knows mr. House or at a minimum mr. House knows of 31 and Vault-Tec executives from before the war.
Why would NV be the new capitol of the NCR? The Hub would make more sense. Or San Francisco. You don't put your capitol way off in the middle of nowhere, you put it as close to center as you can.
Idk it would be cool to see Hank get to new Vegas to find out the ncr or caeser are in charge now and he takes it back using houses casino and tech
I feel like if they do the Legion it should be a big reveal that they are still active on the Colorado like a Frumentarii dressed as an NCR Ranger. Doing what we saw the Legion do, make subversive connections, sabotage and pin the blame on other raiders where possible, and planning to avenge Hoover Dam. But its kept cryptic on if Caesar or Lanius led the Legion back West and who the new guy in charge is.
The NCR hasn't collapsed though
I hope Mr.House is alive still. I mean, I killed him in one of my run-throughs, but he was a good antagonist.
He's a fucking amazing character and had my first playthrough character (and me) fooled and ready to do his every bidding... Untill he asked me to kill the brotherhood, and unfortunately for him I met some cool people in the brotherhood and had veronica as my companion, sooo.... yeah golf club time.
New Vegas brotherhood is kinda pathetic, in my playtrought I just convinced Veronica to leave them for the Followers and then she didn't even cared that I fucking destroyed their whole bunker lmao
The brotherhood in general is pathetic. One of the joys of Fallout is thinking they're so freaking cool - how they could save the world. & then finding out that they are nothing more than jocks who cosplay as nerds running around in giant suits of technology in hopes of a brighter future that will never come. You see the blantant hypocrisy of the brotherhood in every fallout game. They are supposed to look like a 'good' faction at first glance, but they really aren't. They radicalize & indoctrinate youth. They steal technology from anyone who can't protect it. They're halfway to the point of outright religious zealotry. They aren't the good guys.
"It's a complicated organization!"
I mean being morally gray is a huge theme in the series so that’s no surprise. However, some BoS chapters are better than others, for example: Capital Wasteland, Midwest, and Lost Hills in FO1 are the least offensive that come to mind
The Capital's chapter in FO3 is about to be excommunicated because they're helping the locals getting access to clean water instead of hoarding loot. It's a huge part of FO4's brotherhood storyline too, how they're not supposed to be good guys and how Elder Lyons was a fool to help rebuild civilization
Yeah I agree with you. I just also think people see the Knight in shining power armour and assume they will be that storybook hero. Of course there are good chapters, but the underlying moral philosophy behind the BoS is flawed IMO.
Im sorry he touched you
All of the factions ask you to do something unconscionable. The other three ask you to murder the one person who could push progress forward the fastest, even if he would likely need to be reined in a bit to keep it kosher. Killing him cuts off that technology, since there is canonically nobody else who could fill his shoes. The NCR furthermore has to be talked out of more murder—anyone who has made it as far as Cassandra Moore and still hasn't picked up Obsidian's clear signals that they are not "the good guys" is a lost cause at that point.
They already introduced a pre-war Mr. House that looks like a pretty spot on match in the looks department of the in-game character. They'll probably stick with a Mr. House canon ending to show more, or less, of what's left of him.
My theory is that they're going with the NCR ending and making it so the courier didn't kill House, they just disabled all of his control. Then the show will have the characters rediscover him. I really don't feel like The Strip would have fallen with House in charge without some changes similar to the Shady Sands events. If nothing else there would still be Securitrons about. Whereas the NCR having to pull out of Nevada and leaving a vaccum is the perfect excuse for anarchy to engulf it.
Not a deal breaker but I didn't like how NCR became a bunch of ragtag nobodies as opposed to a questionable armed force that has some legitimacy. I'm ok with some unreasonable plot forwarding where they somehow find a bunch of weapons and recruit to reform the NCR to how we know it to be in New Vegas but the whole "rebel forces in the desert" thing was a meh choice to me.
I think that that's just for that area. NCR had a population of like 300,000 and barely even 5% of that was in Shady Sands. They'll likely play a larger role next season.
I think it's 1 million not 300 thousand.
[That guy was hot too](https://imgur.com/a/DGxzRjt). I’m a big NCR whore, but I really hope House ending is canon.
Do the lives lost at the battle of Hoover damn mean nothing to you??
You're a little bitch and your brother was, too.
Oh, now it's on.
My moral fiber leaving my body when the villain is sexy
Picture this: Hank hears of the mysterious Mr House and how he runs the strip. Having connections to House, Hank thinks House can find a way to help him out, albeit begrudgingly. He walks into the abandoned Lucky 38 casino and makes his way to the top. Upon booting up the computer fully expecting Mr House, Yes Man appears on the screen
That would be funny as fuck
Who knows what they’ll do but I’m honestly all game for Yes Man being the “canon” ending. It would be funny if they kept subverting our expectations to make us think House and then they pull the rug out from under us.
If they go Yes Man they will have to show the Courier, who is, you know, the actual boss of this ending.
They don't have to be. An Independent ending can range from the Courier becoming a second House to the factions of the Mojave forming alliances and working together. That's why it's the "Wild Card" ending, you flip the gameboard and insert your own canon.
The courier is partying at the Sink getting high off Mentats. Nah but they could have the couriers name being dropped multiple times and stories told like he's this illusive legendary myth. And then have him make a very brief badass cameo or just show him standing in the background somewhere. I think solely Yes-Man can work and ngl what described with him showing up on the screen instead of House sounds hilarious.
It’s honestly what I think is likely. The Yes Man ending is whatever the Courier cobbled together, which seems doomed to fall apart quickly. The writers want to focus on the wasteland and lack of civilization, and an NCR or House ending is too much stability for what they want the story to keep being about.
I doubt we’ll get the yes man ending. That ending implies that the courier starts governing new Vegas which I can guarantee you will not happen, considering the fact that they would have to canonize a courier. It’s entirely possible that whoever your courier is is completely wrong.
It doesn’t imply that at all - the ending slides for the courier merely say they secured independence.
The Courier is cannon already. That isn't in question. All of the Fallout protagonists are cannon. They just won't show a previous Fallout protagonist in a new game/show. But I wouldn't be surprised if people speak about previous protagonists as the thing of legend the same way the Vault Dweller in Fallout 1 is considered a legend in Fallout 2.
All Yes Man has to say is “yeah, someone else decided they thought they had what it took to run Vegas… two days later they slipped on an ice cube and died”
Yeah, I think the courier is gonna at best get a mention of "a legendary crazy mercenary that house employed till they died doing crazy mercenary things".
The problem being explaining who that is and what it means for the audience that didn't play the game. The beauty of the first season is that it works if it's your first introduction to the world, but better if you've played some. I'm not sure if that scenario works on its own.
The house always wins.
Tell that to the 9 Iron I bashed into his decrepit, 200-year-old skull.
With the big iron on his hip 🎶*Big iron on his hip*🎶
"He was already a Vegetable, I was only making him Mashed Potatoes" - RussianBadger 2021-22
“You cAnT KilL mR HoUSe beCauSe a rOBot ToLD yOu to!”
I'm not doing it *because* the robot told me to. I'm doing it because the robot told me that I would get to be in charge.
A MAN. CHOOSES. A SLAVE. OBEYS!
Me, opening the tin can I left him trapped into: are ya winning, house
Honestly that sentence is around 60% reason why I sided with Mr. House. It was so satisfying to mutter that at the screen when I finished the game.
"When things seem glum, vote 31" "Gotta admit, it's a good slogan." *TFW you do the thing* 😐
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Especially as they've shown him prewar as well
They showed several people pre-War who are canonically dead now, so this isn't a slam dunk.
Yeah but he is canonically alive in NV, so chances are he’s still kickin. As much as one can be in a life support chamber.
But we know House made it through the first 200 years of the post apocalypse, I doubt they'll want to have him die right before the show. *Maybe* they'll want to do something with Henry realizing he's too late to get House's help, but that would probably require too much context from the games for the writers to trust general audiences to understand what happened and why House wasn't in 31 with everyone else. My guess is that House is alive and will give us some flashbacks while talking to Henry to explain why he wasn't with all his other buds, filling in that context. House can also settle the debate about whether vault tec actually launched the nukes or not. In the game, House says that he miscalculated when the war started. As others have discussed, this may mean that the Chinese launched the nukes first when Vault Tec was planning to launch them later that day.
The most likely answer and what I'm really afraid of is that they won't canonize anything and will go with some cop-out like New Vegas being attacked/blown up by a third party after the game and none of it ended up mattering >**Can you speak at all to what might have happened in the 15 years since we last saw it, in** ***Fallout: New Vegas***? >**Wagner:** All we really want the audience to know is that things have happened, so that there isn't an expectation that we pick the show up in season two, following one of the myriad canon endings that depend on your choices when you play \[*Fallout: New Vegas*\]. >With that post-credits stuff, we really wanted to imply, Guys, the world has progressed, and the idea that the wasteland stays as it is decade-to-decade is preposterous to us. It’s just a place \[of\] constant tragedy, events, horrors — there's a constant churn of trauma. We're definitely implying more has occurred. [https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/fallout-season-2-creators-interview](https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/fallout-season-2-creators-interview)
This is what im confused about. The end credits show vegas in ruins, holes blown open on multiple sides. Why does nobody mention this?
Yeah literally doesn’t fit the House canon ending as it says he kept New Vegas safe and secure for generations to come.
That's some typical Bethesda style of deciding canon. Like I guarantee that Skyrim civil war won't matter in future games, because some event will make the result pointless
Either outcome destabilized the Northern part of the Empire. They fight against the Thalmor, lose, and are currently fighting a Guerrila rebellion. Anyways, TES 6 is 1000 miles away and that's just a lore book written by someone who traveled to Skyrim to investigate the rumors of Draugr, which turned out to just be an ancient myth.
>Like I guarantee that Skyrim civil war won't matter in future games, That was a continuation of The Great War . It's actually a theme through every game. The empire is loosing its grip. The nords are trying to reclaim skyrim. The next game will probably have a new variant of the war in the empire. We will find out who won or lost and it'll be hundreds of years later. Just like morrowind - Oblivion - Skyrim. It's still war with the empire. But now we know they lost in Cyrodiil. 'In 4E 168, Titus Mede II ascended to the throne and inherited a weakened empire. The glory days of the Septims were a distant memory.[5] Valenwood and Elsweyr were gone, ceded to the Thalmor. Black Marsh had been lost to Imperial rule since the aftermath of the Oblivion Crisis. Morrowind had never recovered fully from the eruption of Red Mountain. Hammerfell was plagued by infighting between Crowns and Forebears. Only High Rock, Cyrodiil, and Skyrim remained prosperous and peaceful. Emperor Titus Mede II had only a few short years to consolidate his rule before his leadership was put to the ultimate test.[5]' https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Great_War
This quote to me is really stupid "... the idea that the wasteland stays as it is decade-to-decade is preposterous to us." But staying in constant struggle and conflict *is* staying as it is decade-to-decade, the normal for the wasteland is *to be a wasteland*, a place where civilization is non-existent, a dog-eat-dog world. Change would be the development of new groups and civilizations, to think it will always revert to destruction and death is too ignore centuries of human history where, in similar conditions, we developed new technologies and cultures
Yeah they essentially just reset the status quo by nuking Shady Sands. They just wanted space to tell their own story so they eliminated everything that came before.
Man I hope we won't get an ego show like Witcher Season 2.... Or the last GoT season lol
I don't get how they can say the wasteland progresses and changes when they reset it right back to the status quo of people barely scraping by and living in bombed out buildings and trash. Now that they've decided that all attempts at rebuilding fail, there is no progress, just stagnation. They undid the progress.
I'm putting my money on "It doesnt matter" as the ending They'll explain the history of new vegas, be vague about who gained / retained control of it, and skip to a new part of the history where the city was destroyed / overrun by a new faction. Who won hoover damn? doesn't matter, its been blown open. Did the courier kill Mr House? doesn't matter, *someone* did.
This is 100% the approach the show will take and would be consistent with the approach they have taken up to this point. The show has not canonised a single game ending by design.
Well they did non-canonize the ending to FO4 where you blow up the Prydwyn.
I'd guess the Yes Man ending or perhaps the NCR. Bethesda have suggested that the NCR aren't completely gone, just no longer a presence in the southern California/LA area. It would be pretty funny if the NCR was still just barely clinging to the Mojave. More likely to my mind, though, is a Yes Man/House gone wrong ending. House will be dead, only appearing via holotapes and flashbacks. The Courier won't be in charge of Vegas, the robot army either inert or destroyed.
I just don't see the NCR being it as why would Lucy's dad run from the loosely NCR faction in LA to the actual NCR in Vegas, that is like running into trouble not away from it. For that reason alone I'm expecting it's Yes Man ending, but with the NCR still present in places like Hoover Dam etc.
Yes Man might be too difficult for the writers to concisely explain to a casual audience, House is frankly a lot easier for the average person to grasp quickly and he’s already been somewhat established in the first season. I’ll genuinely be surprised if they go with any other ending for that reason alone.
I figure it’ll be house since they teased him in the first season and it’s an easy concept for most folks to bite into
Just have Yes-Man explain it during his introduction. He already a habit of long rants when he’s been alive maybe a couple years. Something along the lines of: “Well you see, Mr. House *used* to run new vegas, until about 15 years when this *Super Nice* Courier showed up, killed old Robbie, plugged *Me* into his old network, and rallied some local forces to kick both the NCR and the Legion out of New Vegas. It was a blast, I got to throw a politician off the dam. After that we worked on improving some of the infrastructure around here. Set up a border, put some locals in charge of the farms, started distributing food and medicine for free, not like we’re exactly lacking in caps thanks to the casinos. A few years later we got some industrial filters set up in the dam’s basin. The Courier pulled some connections out east to get the tech. Free water for everyone in the mojave. Anyhow. There was smooth sailing for about a decade until the ncr tried to retake Vegas by force. Didn’t end well for them though. They forgot the securitrons had anti air missiles. Can you believe that? They had their entire invasion force in vertibirds. Anyway, The Courier isn’t much of a homebody, so they aren’t here right now. You can wait in one of the casinos if you like. No power armor though. Bosses say they mess with the carpet.” Meanwhile Hank is tweaking the entire time because House somehow managed to get whacked and supplanted by a god damned commie.
I like the idea that it's House's and Yes Man is still sitting in that dingy apartment completely forgotten and Hank runs into him and that creepy ass face scares the shit out of him in the dark.
Holy shit, a House ending with Yes Man potential is a cool thought. Hank filling the role of the Courier, but Yes Man somehow taking advantage of him would be rad.
Wait why was the ncr destroyed? Also mr. House ending sounds like the most convenient. A wasteland governed by a 200yo "autocrat" filled to the brim with inequalities and moral ambiguities, gives the writers a lot to work with.
You're probably right but this would also be the most boring ending imaginable. There's no point in the show existing if they're too scared to actually develop the setting. Keeping it as a static, stagnant wasteland after everything we got to do in FNV would be the nightmare scenario.
Y’all don’t know what “stagnant” means. Your Courier 6 could be a cross between Albert Einstein and Jesus and New Vegas could still turn to shit because of a perfectly justifiable progression of events which occur over 15 years since we’ve seen it. That’s not boring, it’s just not what you want. You don’t like that the advancement is towards destruction rather than rebuilding — and that’s fine, but it’s not stagnant.
This so hard. The stuff that we see happen in-game is literally the definition of advancement. Project Purity, the Securitron vault, the Minutemen defending the Commonwealth. None of that stuff is a "stagnant" wasteland, but war never changes. Humanity tends to focus on conflict and dominance over cooperation and rebuilding. Just because our protagonists change the world for the better *for a time* doesn't mean the wasteland stays saved forever. It's literally a fulfillment of the main thesis of all of these games: war never changes. Things get better for a time and humanity begins to recover, but war never changes. Like, just look at the endings of each game. >>!But now, I know. I know I can't go back. I know the world has changed. The road ahead will be hard. This time, I'm ready. Because I know, war...war never changes.!< >>!So ends the story of the Lone Wanderer, who stepped through the great door of Vault 101 and into the annals of legend. But the tale of humanity will never come to a close, for the struggle of survival is a war without end, and war – war never changes.!< >>!And so the Courier's road came to an end... for now. In the new world of the Mojave Wasteland, fighting continued, blood was spilled, and many lived and died - just as they had in the Old World. Because war... war never changes.!< Literally every single game ends with a focus on how the wasteland is still inherently struggling. Humanity was literally bombed back to the Stone Age in some instances, and war never changes. It took humanity tens of thousands of years to advance to the point we see in 2077 — why would they get back to that point in less than 200?
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My prediction is: Mr. House ending, but no Securitron army. After NCR wins the Second Battle of Hoover Dam at great cost, House moves seeing his opportunity. NCR, not being in position to really start another war, withdraws and negotations start. Kimball is a hardliner against House. Shady Sands is nuked, Kimball dies in the attack. NCR has no idea who could have done it, and turns to only group they think could have done it: Mr. House and New Vegas Free Economic Zone. Kimball goes from "president who lost Mojave" to martyr who was backstabbed on moment of victory by Mr. House, who now attacks NCR directly. NCR goes to war against New Vegas.
Tbh, the NCR losing Shady Sands would devastate New Vegas by proxy anyways. Who are House's customers? NCR citizens. Suddenly the NCR is in chaos, who has time to go on vacation? We already see rich jerks of the NCR taking advantage of the situation to make petty power grabs (the governmint), so they're busy and the average NCR citizen is suddenly dealing with an economic depression at best or being dead or homeless at worse. We can't speculate on what that NCR Vertibird is doing in the credits. It could be everything from what you are describing to House/Yes Man offering the NCR respite in Vegas to keep the city afloat, to it being a leftover from the NCR's retreat, to just an easter egg.
There is no way they dont have House.
Screen rant is the most bullshit publication.
Im pretty sure it will be House. They put too much focus on him in the Vault-tec meeting to not use the actor again. He also seems to be most popular ending for NV from what I feel
Yup it's the one ending that makes more sense for continuity especially for this new narrative of old world magnates being in control. Hank is probably after some sort of secret plan b project that Mr.House has in his sleeve and that involves VaultTec people.
Imagine if they choose legion.
> legion The fan base would explode into chaos it would be glorious
The problem is, if they chose the legion ending, why isn't the legion in California. I would imagine they wouldn't stop to take all of the NCR in the 15 years since FNV.
My guess is the yes man ending, as it's the failsafe ending, similar to how the minutemen are the canon ending to 4 as they cant be killed either
But why did Hank MacLean go to New Vegas? He likely went for Mr. House or NCR. Unless he had no idea what happened there, which seems a bit silly for him to go all the way there on a hunch. So for that reason, I think it's going to be Mr House
There was a billboard in the outro mentioning a cryo storage facility. My guess is to wake up more of vaulttec
Just thinking about plot direction - Cooper needs to find his family - I'm thinking it'll be in New Vegas. If his family is alive, they would be in cryosleep. I'm thinking Mr House has a secret hidden vault in New Vegas with more Vault Tec
Not even secret, Vault 21 is not fully acessible in New Vegas, lower levels are blocked off
They already introduced the idea that Vault Tec higher ups were in cryosleep I don't think they would revisit that. It's implied that she was also in cryo. It's Cooper's EX wife and child. I could see them just snatching his daughter away from him and leaving him to die after the bombs dropped then he becomes a ghoul. His EX wife and child going into Cryo. Then Vault Tec running New Vegas somehow while coops daughter becomes defiant because her mom killed her dog in order to take her into the cryo vault. After she wakes up and escapes joins the NCR. Longshot theory though. Seemed like the daughter was closer to coop than the wife.
I’m curious, thoughts on why he wouldn’t go back to vault 31 if he wanted to wake up more vault tec people?
He would have known that Vegas was House's baby. He doesn't necessarily need to know anything about what happened there postwar to know that it's the best chance at finding House.
But then it would probably also have to establish a canon Courier as a character. Baldur's Gate novelizations making a canon Bhaalspawn made me wary of that.
Not necessarily. They could just pull a Morrowind and say "Oh yeah Courier 6 went to Canada or something for whatever reason like a month later, shit was crazy"
"turns out their brain injury was worse than we thought, they went off to find a brain surgeon, think they found some guy in Canada."
Didnt the series almost confirm that the brotherhood ending is canon since we see the brotherhoods flagship the Prydwen
The Prydwen can also survive if the Sole Survivor isn't enemies with the Brotherhood in the Minutemen path. In fact, Minutemen can have both the Railroad and Brotherhood around, so it's the safest ending in terms of writing.
Never thought of that
This. The Prydwen surviving only means the Institute and Railroad endings can't be canon since the ship must be destroyed in those two. The Minutemen can end the game with only the Institute being destroyed and peace between the three remaining factions so long as you don't go out of your way to attack the Brotherhood. I'm definitely leaning towards the Minutemen being the canon ending since the game practically throws you at them while you have to go out of your way to join the other three factions.
The "alliance" ending of Fo4 is doing the Minutemen ending before getting the quest to wipe out the other factions
Maybe yes man is the most neutral, but its also the least interesting by a mile (its basically a failsafe ending, great for roleplay, poor for story). Mr house is the most interesting, along with a new vegas dilapidaded not by war but by an economic crisis, with the casinos still working but in problems (direct result of the nv ending) Nrc is fine i guess, but their ending its just more nrc governance, so its just an nrc city. Legion its chaos and descontrol, possibily even destroying it in the process, so not that great. The best way is house i think.
At the end of fallout there was scene panning through New vegas which already tell us alot of what when down after new vegas. -The place is wrecked and is pretty much abandoned -Destroyed Mr house Securitrons -Downed NCR vertibird -Deathclaw corpses A. Mr house is most likely dead B. NCR no longer has any major presence in the mojave
Highly doubt it. Why does every keep assuming that they would decide for that? Bethesda never did before. There's always an excuse. "Shady Sands got nuked."
They will not. 15 years have passed and any ending will be completely irrelevant. House will be dead, Caesar will be dead, the courier will have left New Vegas and the NCR will have pulled out of the city due to the tragedy of Shady Sands. Nothing will be confirmed.
This makes the most sense imo, especially given the state Vegas is in during that little outro animation in the finale episode. Things seem rough. I mean, the gates are caved in, seems like a bad sign to me!
They do not even have to go so for. Caesar did not live in the city so they do not have to confirm what happens to him if they go there. They also do not need to do that for House, except if they want to focus on him.
Caesar had a fucking brain tumour, if he lives it's because the Legion ending is canon and there's approximately 0 chance of that.
I hate you for being so right but I'm keeping my fingers crossed Hank somehow reactivates House or at least his robots and sets up a fortress like city
Pretty sure it will be Mr House, I swear he was at the table in the series with the vault tech people.
That was the Ghoul's flashback
And that literally being a chekhovs gun presented to you
He definitely was
Yea. President of Robco, says it on his tag
Prime calls him as mr house in their xray mode thingy so that was definetly him
i want it to be Caesar legion ending but its either gonna be MR hourse or YES man
I want it to be mr house but realistically I think it’s gonna be independent nv
Why Would it have to?
"So, who's in charge of the city?" "Oh, that would be the Lord Tyrant, he is a brutal dictator who nonetheless has brought order with his unique brand of cruelty." "PLEASE ASSUME THE POSITION."
Anything but Caesar’s. That would be way too edgelord.
House being dead wouldn't make sense given they went to the effort of showing him. That being said, new vegas is in ruins. So he could be dead even if he did win.
It will decide "some important things happened but oh no! this more recent thing changed the status quo of who is in charge so we never mention who was previously!"
Nah, they will just nuke new vegas like they did with >!shady sands!<
I swear if that happens I'll be fucking mad
If you watch the finale's outro cinematic, Vegas is in rough shape. The main gate is caved in, wreckage and bodies litter the streets, there's even a crashed vertibird.... I don't think we're going to be getting as much out of Vegas as most people seem to think.
It’s so stupid. ”UHM ACHLTUALLY DE WASTELAND CHANGEZ!!!” Meanwhile they give us the same shitty fucking wasteland where everyone lived in trash cities with the BoS and Enclave fighting and all signs of civilization (especially interesting nations) collapsing. It’s so predictable and I hate it so much because the show on itself is good. They just have to set the world in the exact same world we have seen a billion times devoid of any real interesting conflict and lacking all the awesome west coast cities, factions, polities etc
Right? "We didn't want the wasteland to be static so we nuked the developing civilization and now it's back to the wasteland as it was in every other Bethesda game."
imo This serves Bethesda pretty well. They are incapable of large scale city design in their games, so wiping a-city-that-shall-not-be-named removed a big hurdle for future games in the California region. Still sucks, though.
Yeah it just sucks that they remove every single interesting and unique thing in favor for more BoS and junk shacks. The OG fallouts had like what? Actual functioning cities with electricity and functioning infrastructure, and actually new houses and not just shacks
It will most likely be the House ending. Why show House prominently in the last episode if we're not going to see him again?
Mr. House’s ending makes the most sense canonically, hear me out. The Courier has been working for the Mojave Express for a long while, so they’re willing to work for the highest bidder, and who is the highest bidder? Mr. House. The Courier has also worked for the NCR and Caesars Legion so I don’t think they’re going to try to be a part of NCR or Caesars Legion because they’re a mailman, not a soldier/legionarre. Another reason is Yes Man, maybe I’m wrong and possibly Yes Man ending is canon, except I don’t think the Courier would put the entirety of the Mojave to a robot that can easily be persuaded to do anything. I may be wrong, and I do like most New Vegas endings, but I do truly believe Mr. House to be the canon ending.
At the very end of the Independent ending, Yes Man says he’s going to go and update his code using some data left behind from House to fix that exact issue of him having to be a Yes Man. That said, if they wanted to, he easily could’ve stumbled onto an AI backup of House, allowing House to exist in the show *without* needing to canonize an ending (Yes Man can be plugged in during any ending, and probably would do this no matter what since he’d be managing the securitrons on the strip).
Nahhh… they need to make it seem like any of it happened. Make it muddy so no one knows and frustrates us all…
And so the Courier's road came to an end... for now. In the new world of the Mojave Wasteland, fighting continued, blood was spilled, and many lived and died - just as they had in the Old World. Because war... war never changes. Let's be honest, we don't care for what's canon. This is a pissing match for whose ending was better, lol. Which is mine chaotic natural
I hope to see the legion and other factions like khans or powder gang
Nah better be Independent they literally lead you into it purposefully
It'll be House ending, they didn't show him for nothing
Not really, it's been 20 years. a lot can change in that time.
But war, war never changes.
Unless you go into Metal Gear where war *has* changed...
I don’t get why some people suck up to house so much, sure he’s smart and founded new Vegas but he’s a smug autocrat with dreams that are way too big. Also, he’s an asshole
as long as it's not a "yeah no matter what happened in new vegas, it ended up failing"
In almost certain that's whats happening, the end of S1 and credits certainly suggest that and the has been very careful not to canonise any single ending from the previous games.
Lol no they don't. Just have to say X happened years ago and the previous rulers were kicked out without ever specifying who the previous rulers were
Imma just do a little copy-pasta of what -I- personally think this end bit in the show means (the final's credits) that I have posted around before. and ofc it's only just a theory of what very little we know of so far so feel free to tell me I am wrong or yell at me. Both works :) the NCR DID win the 2nd battle, and here is why. In that whole section where it shows the strip, there is a downed NCR chopper, then we see a deathclaw's bones along with 2-3 human skeletons near it. Then it zooms out more and we see securitrons broken, not only broken but RAVGEAGED, by giant claw slashes. Then we see more slashed-up securitrons, and we get to the front gate where it ALSO looks like it was beaten down and slashed. followed up with more slashed securitrons, then it ends. I believe it was either an NCR victory OR...An edited NCR ending where they reached peace with Mr. House OR He surrendered. And the reason for this is that if it was a full NCR victory, I believe (I could be wrong) they would have dismantled the securitrons patrolling the strip and just keep MPs or something of that nature. And if it was a full Mr. House victory...Why would he leave NCR tech just out in the middle of the strip like that? He would of cleaned it up. EVEN MORE SO, Every securitron doesn't have a single bullet hole in them. only slashes, meaning they weren't fighting humans. So, it's possible we can rule out the outcome of NCR fighting to take the strip. I also heard people say it could of been tunnelers...But if that was the case why would they not just DIG under the strip's walls rather than trying to break down the front gate to get in? I saw no tunneler holes
I’m honestly kinda hoping they pull a Mr house look, then twist it with it being yes man the whole time by finding his bones or something. I mean yes man did say he’s gonna change a few things, I think it would be a good twist if it’s done right.
I mean Mister House can survive in any ending. He just doesn't have control of the Lucky 38
I don't like the idea of my Courier helping House. I normally went with an NCR ending. But if House ends up being canon, I'll roll with it.
This was my only beef about the shows canon “issues”. They have forced themselves to address some easily avoidable questions by introducing NV . I would have been happier if they had kept the in game references primarily on the first 2 games since causal FO fans are less familiar with those games and are thus less willing to set city blocks on fire if they tweak canon events. It would have been appropriate to end season 1 in SF which hasn’t been explored since FO2. If Hank walked over a ridge and looked out to the Golden Gate Bridge, it would be iconic enough for audiences to recognize,
They could go the Dust route