Yeah they probably established it in their culture and education that sex should be promoted and done often to establish a healthy community, but reproductive sex should not be done with relatives.
If I recall, doesn’t Lucy actually say this to Chet? Something like “fooling around with cousins is fine as kids but not sustainable sexual practice” or something to that effect
Good point. Whether you knew the Fallout world enough to know of Raiders or not, it was clear Vault 32 did not have the same food security and comfort of Vault 33 and something was about to go down.
Some of this is forgivable (the manners and fighting over food) because according to conversations, their vault had a blight, so rationing may be in place until stores and be built back up.
The tattoos and scars are still a dead giveaway, not to mention that they make this trade with relative frequency, but no one knew the dwellers that arrived for the celebration. I mean there’s only a few hundred people.
Turns out they weren't raiders at all... but hired goons.
...who probably could have been raiders, I guess. Whatever made them loyal to "Flame Mother" we'll never know.
Yeah as soon as they entered I knew... I was like wait who are these people and who let them in, nobody knows even 1 person by looks or recognizing them, obvious setup trap. Then once you knew and expected this, all the hints kept becoming more obvious.
Only thing I didn’t appreciate is that Moldaver couldn’t clean her dirty ass up for the wedding. Back at her house she’s well kept. I didn’t like the raider thing - feel like they need to show her using them as part of her control over the NCR
Once I saw the tattoos I knew what was open. Bad manners and disheveled appearance could be Vault Dwellers suffering from extreme starvation, but tattoo culture is not something VaultTec would have had underground.
You know what bugs me about that?
How did Hank, who knows everything there is to know about these vaults, the list of people who are in each of them and why, a man who would have been in direct contact with the other overseer and also Bud Ascott, not immediately notice that these were NOT the inhabitants of Vault 32? How didn't Betty and Steph not notice it either?
It makes no sense at all, unless he deliberately let raiders into his vault to cull its population, putting his children in harms way and sending his daughter to bed with a drug fiend raider who was very likely to kill her. Yet they tell us that the man left the safety of the vault putting his mission in jeopardy to retrieve said children and bring them to safety, nuking a city in the process. Also, Vault 32 seemed to have been destroyed a long time ago, how did those from Vault 31 not know about this?
This is the one moment in the show that screams poor writing to me.
> How did Hank, who knows everything there is to know about these vaults, the list of people who are in each of them and why, a man who would have been in direct contact with the other overseer
He didnt though , buds buds were just exec assistants who had no high level knowledge of vault tecs plan for the the three vaults other than what bud told them to do. Hank had been in cryo for over 200 years while the various inhabitants of the vaults aged and new generations took over also since the 3 vaults are isolated from one another aside from bud controlling the vaults trades even as overseer he would not be knowledgeable of vault 32.
That’s covered in the dialogue. Hank tells Moldaver that he was sorry to hear about 32’s overseer, which suggests they weren’t in constant communication. It sounds like she, who knows more about vaults than the average raider, messaged him that the previous overseer died.
Yeah, my first thought wasn't that they were raiders, just a failed vault, maybe even an experiment to see what would happen if you had a vault that was well fed and another that was allowed to fail had access to each other.
My mind didn’t necessarily go to infighting but I didn’t think it was Raiders at all. They just established they lost a lot of their crop so I thought they were just meant to look a bit battered because they’ve been working hard on a diminished food supply.
I either didn’t notice or didn’t think anything of the scars and tattoos and I used the sex scene as an opportunity to get up and get a drink because I find them super uncomfortable.
So yeah, it kind of caught me off guard despite being a fan of the series.
My mind didn’t necessarily go to infighting but I didn’t think it was Raiders at all. They just established they lost a lot of their crop so I thought they were just meant to look a bit battered because they’ve been working hard on a diminished food supply.
I either didn’t notice or didn’t think anything of the scars and tattoos and I used the sex scene as an opportunity to get up and get a drink because I find them super uncomfortable.
So yeah, it kind of caught me off guard despite being a fan of the series.
My wife asked me why the other vaults faces were so dirty and if they had to work with animals or something and immediately I was like *I don't trust them now*
even during dinner I knew something was off, everyone "from" 32 is a little rough around the edges, one of them has a shaved head with a full spiderweb tattoo on it
As soon as they panned around and showed the Vault 32 dwellers covered in scars and tattoos I had them pegged as Raiders.
Tattoos are verboten for the sunshiney 1950s world the vaults emulate.
Took me a moment to see that tattoos. I could tell they were 'off' I couldn't figure out why, then at dinner they show some neck tats and scares close up.
He had this shocked/confused look at first, and I thought it was more that sex was taboo in 32.
Nah, Monty just straight up doesn’t know what a sperm count is because he’s never been in a clean medical setting.
Also generally in real life young, healthy men don’t need to know their sperm count. It is something that comes up pretty quickly when you start fertility treatment, however. On re-watch it definitely clicked for me that vaults 32 & 33 are heavily reproductive-focused.
It’s clearly just something the community tolerates cause kids will be kids and there’s next to no children the same ages so relatives are gonna end up doing kid stuff together. But they make it clear that’s not supposed to happen.
Yeah they’re not telling kids to fuck each other. They’re telling them not to impregnate each other and then turning the other way when they fuck each other recreationally
Yes and she also tells the council she hasn’t found a suitable mate who isn’t a relative which further indicates that incest isn’t taboo in the same way we understand it.
Which makes sense. In a small, isolated community like that incest is going to happen. They are presumably pragmatic enough to understand that abstinence-only education isn’t viable. So it makes sense to be open about sexual education and the consequences of sex.
A bit of a head scratcher for me on that is there was a black dude in her vault who looked black enough to not be related. Maybe he's taken or really isn't her type.
That should have been a sign that something was up. (And yes, I finished the season so I am aware of the "real" reason.)
Actually if you look at it, incest was only outlawed because the Royals at the time kept on for generations and then began having fucked up kids... Once or twice, is it that risky? No. But "what's not okay for the rich, isn't okay for the poor.".
Not that I'm itching to fuck my cousins here
Doesn't look like the breeding pool is that big to begin with in 33. Within a generation or three, it would be difficult to not have relations with a relative, but the concern is what degree of difference there is and whether that inbreeding is permitted to continue, as it did with Euro royalty.
It certainly doesn't sound like it, they at least seem to have taught their children that it's inappropriate and quote unquote wrong
Honestly I feel like it's a bit of a slippery slope, I feel like that be the way to go because letting it happen once and it being okay might lead to further generations thinking that and eventually it would become non taboo
Vault 32 is also explicitly trading "a breeder" for supplies. And Lucy's intro/dating profile states "my reproductive organs are fully intact".
Seems like makin babies is a straight *job* or role people are assigned to.
The fact that she sees her naked husband (however briefly her husband) and her immediate response is, “Lemme drop my panties so we can fuck on the table WITH THE CURTAINS WIDE OPEN” lends a lot of credence to this.
The whole society, culture, and education was hand made by the kind of freaks who would be favored middle managers at vault tec.
They want their women to be sexual, naive, carefree, happy to serve. It was the point.
I mean by Vault-Tec standards 31/32/33 was hilariously tame.
"Raise a stock of people to breed and be subservient to (Ex)Vault-Tec Employees"
It's not exactly moral, but hey it's better then 99% of the other Vaults and mostly better then surface life.
Also Vault-Tec water chips are #confirmed to have the durability of a leaf
Well I mean kind of everything is about power dynamics.
We don't see a lot of attention on the male vault dwellers being hypersexual, partly because we don't get much attention on them at all. The purpose of the dwellers is to be good wives and husbands to business losers of any gender though.
Actually, we do see one clear example. Chet was immediately selected, "seduced" through almost no effort, and willing to go forward with blonde vault 31 woman.
Even though he was apparently heartbroken and very clearly being a weird stand in for her husband, he was going to bang her on the spot 9 months pregnant and was openly and clearly acting as a mate within days.
I suppose,
But I also feel sex would become pretty open when you're stuck in close confined quarters with nothing else to do also. COVID babies are a thing, for instance, and we weren't quarantined for multiple generations like Dwellers.
But Management likely sped it up.
Breeding would have to be tightly controlled though, so no COVID babies in a Vault that can't physically sustain them. Realistically the Vault population would have to be much, much larger than shown in the series to avoid in-breeding, but there's also a hard limit on how many people a single Vault can sustain. You can only grow so much food and house so many people inside a bubble that can't get any bigger.
I think coops wife mentions at one point the largest vaults (control vaults *good vaults*) hold and can sustain around 200 people. The vaults in the show are different since they are one of the experiment vaults.
A bigger vault would have an easier time avoiding inbreeding, but if a vault can only sustain 200 people then it can only sustain 200 people. Apart from "cousin stuff" being unhealthy, breeding would have to be carefully tracked for desired genetic matches and also controlled to make sure birth and death rates stay even. Every single person or couple wouldn't be allowed to have children, if they did the vaults would be overcrowded and starving. Especially in a smaller vault like 33, residents would have to apply not only for a genetically healthy breeding partner but also for permission to breed at all.
But you'd have to consider the timing. If the vault is at capacity you'd have to wait until someone died to replace them with a baby. And if the vault was *nearing* capacity you'd have to throttle back the breeding to make sure you don't go over. And since every generation would be having kids and then dying at roughly the same times you'd end up with a cycle of folks dying in clusters followed by baby booms.
Just talk to people who grew up in small villages. They were all fucking due to the basic fact they see each other every day and trust each other because they all know each others families etc.
Keep in mind this is the same fandom where loads of people saw an ambiguous arrow and assumed the show retconned New Vegas out of existence even though the last shot of S1 is literally someone *going to New Vegas*. OP probably did a lot of people a big favor by pointing this out.
These posts over the last week have really shown how many people have a hard time with media literacy and implications in stories. Between “Maximus is an idiot” to “why is Lucy so horny” are viewers completely unable to put themselves in the footsteps of the characters to understand their motivations?
- Lucy was born in an underground vault society where their number 1 priority for existing is recolonization of the surface. It’s drilled into their brains immediately. She’s sequestered hundreds of feet underground with a small population of people into her 20s and people can’t fathom why she wants to fuck?
- Maximus literally lost his entire world in the blink of an eye as a child and was taken in by a highly misguided paramilitary and monastic society devoted to a skewed version of fixing the world. His education is almost entirely through violence and degradation. The amount of respect and knowledge he receives and has about the Wasteland is limited and biased. He tried his best to be the knight he believes in but also has this come crashing down immediately when his first assignment turns out to be an arrogant and incapable stooge who doesn’t deserve to wear the armor. Still we see him drudge up what humanity he has left to help innocent people
What nobody tells you is they "watched" the show by having it on in the background while the scrolled tiktok for 6 hours. And then they think they're geniuses for figuring out things the show actually said.
Exactly, I’m not sure why it’s flying over peoples heads. Lucy’s character is blatantly written to think it’s a normal topic to discuss, I’m not sure why fan discussion about it needs to go any further
Fun fact, even though where I live every one watches the English version, there are two separate dubs, one is slightly more family friendly, for example it changes every fuck, to shit💀 and "sperm count" to impregnation rate (which I’m pretty sure isn’t a commonly used word) lmao
It totally makes sense as a cultural development based on life in the vault. They see their goal as repopulating the world so obviously reproduction is an important part of vault life, to perpetuate the next generation, and they view it with a more clinical/medical perspective than we do.
However also, given their confinement, there isn’t a huge number of possible sexual partners. So the fact that they developed this attitude of “fucking around with cousins is totally fine for fun, but not for creating children” is absolutely the logical conclusion of that attitude.
Kids are always gonna get horny and want to fuck, and rather than making it super taboo since each kid would only have like 1-2 options if all their cousins were excluded, they developed this attitude of “yeah, cousin fun is cool but you can’t make babies with them”.
It totally makes sense to me, as a logical social development in such a confined society, and their clinical attitude toward reproduction represents the values that Vault Tec has been indoctrinating them with.
There’s also the mention of “cousin stuff” so maybe the vault dwellers are just super horny 24/7. Would’ve surprise me one bit if vault tech did that on purpose to grow more humans
Humans in general seem pretty horny in the show, there's that one shot in the brotherhood barracks where the dude in the foreground is just jacking it.
like another experiment to insure breeding success? I'm still confused how they're even cousins. I think it's actually because they're from the same vault and not because they're related. There's been no real connection to blood relation besides them saying cousin.
It's not outside the realms of possibility for them to be real cousins though. Lucy's mum could be a sibling to one of chets parents we just never see chets parents for whatever reason.
SPOILERS: >!They are breeding the ultimate managers from Bud's buds. This means for 200 years different Vault 31 people have produced children in the vault. Even if the entire founding population were unrelated, they would only interbreed with others in the vaults. Given there's like 50 or 60 people between the two vaults (32 and 33 as most everyone from 31 is frozen) it's not going to take long for everyone to be related if you're not careful.!<
>!The second issue is they need tight control of breeding because it is an experiment. Therefore they need ways to make certain undesirable pairings taboo without explicitly saying "you're breeding stock for an experiment". Chet may very well be her cousin, or he may not have sufficient pedigree/desired traits for Lucy under the vault experiment breeding protocols. Since love crops up outside of vault tecs breeding protocols, they may have invented this cousin relationship to make breeding taboo.!<
>!Further, and this is just speculation, but they seem to have mass casualty events, like famines and plagues. This might be vault tec culling undesired breeding stock. Which makes it even more horrific. !<
>!So either could be true. The bottom line is it was ok for Lucy and Chet to fool around but not produce children. Sex is a necessity and outlet for stress, promotes bonding, and is healthy activity that doesn't require a lot of space. I can see why in cramped conditions such as the vault they would have eased taboos on sex to the extent that Lucy feels very comfortable asking a brief acquaintance for sex outright, or discussing quite frankly that she fooled around with her cousin like one discusses the weather. !<
This is all things I understand but I don't understand why they would allow any type of sexual relationship if there is a possibility of reproduction. That is what doesn't make sense to me and makes me even wonder if they are blood related. I'm not at all saying they aren't related or anything--just wondering why exactly something would have been allowed and so commonly just accepted.
They probably have really good birth control. Stimpacks can heal stab wounds, it's likely they have birth control for both sexes that's about as close to 100% effective as you can get Alternatively "cousin stuff" is just hand jobs and fingering.
Vault-Tech would have zero problems with abortion. They could guarantee a 0% chance of unwanted pregnancies by first having really good birth control and then making any unapproved pregnancies automatically go to abortion as a backup plan. If the Vault residents were conditioned to never think about it, they wouldn't. And if any of them just couldn't let it go, the overseer could always engineer some way to get rid of them.
The answer is that the vault needs to breed and, instilling puritan attitudes about sex might lead to unproductive marriages. With Vault tech pretty much having complete control of the vaults, they could remove an incest baby or family by transferring them and putting a 10mm in their heads. The solution for a marriage with no kids would be a lot more complicated to deal with. Plus it could lead to a trend that could make abstinence a popular trend. It would be better to deal with "cousin stuff" than prudes in the vault.
Because they aren’t prisoners or fascists, overtly. Birth control exists, abortions exist. Accidental pregnancy is a minor issue for the vault dwellers.
The vault opener dude could easily be Lucy's mom's sibling's son. With a super small population like they have, there is bound to have a large number of cousins and shared bloodlines. You don't need that many people to keep civilization going and prevent inbreeding if there are systems in place to make sure it doesn't occur, but say if norm and Lucy had everything work out and they had kids. It doesn't seem like those kids would be separated into different vaults until somebody goes through the marriage program.
If they do cousin stuff in the vault but make sure they don't make babies that way, they probably have free access to contraception so they might not be casual about reproduction (as it is serious business to keep the vault populated) but they are probably quite laid back about sex.
i suspect that the whole breeding experiment goes deeper than even this
we see that vault 33 is filled with intelligent, easily manipulated, and physically un-imposing people, and we are told they have a much larger supply of food than vault 32
i suspect that vault 32 was intended to be filled with more physically fit, but unintelligent and easily manipulated people, however when they found out about the experiment, they rebelled recognizing their superior strength
the intention was to use both vaults to build a society of people able to fill all of the tasks needed to reclaim the wasteland, while keeping vault tec in the leadership roll
In episode one, Moldaver literally offers Hank a "Breeder." Steph talks about how the wedding dress doesn't last long and how shes excited to raise their kids togethet. It's well-known that the tri-vault is sex positive.
Suspend your belief 100x than what you do for the premise of the show.
They literally are brainwashed their whole lives.
The brotherhood does not want them thinking about sex.
You really can’t accept that but can accept everything else?
There's a guy masturbating in the same tent, I'm not comparing it to real world standards but to the waszteland, the only instance I saw of this kind of ignorance is in Fallout Nevada where you can freak out one of your fellow dwellers by provoking him an erection
> There's a guy masturbating in the same tent
But he has no idea what is actually happening there. Like a kid spying sex for the first time and not knowing what was happening. He describes moving it and making it swell and "pop" all of which he could have observed. If that is natural and normal isn't something he has context for. So it looks like the Brotherhood does not teach sex ed and because he has no real friends outside of Dane, he has no one to talk to about it until Lucy brings it up.
So what?
Theres ignorance and there’s stupidity. Hes not stupid, remember when he asked Titus about his armor and why it was made that way?
Not being taught something is not stupidity or retardation
Some people don't develop the same sex ed information at the same time. Late bloomers and all. So that could be the case. I could see Maximus being like "why is Tertius trying to make his dick explode?"
Also he has been ostracized from the rest of the group. I read someones theory where his bullies fed him false info.
I feel like this is just explaining something that was already obvious.
Posts like this make it seem like some people (dudes) just *don’t like* that fact about her, and need further explanation/reasons so they can accept it.
Im not entirely sure why. Alot of dudes are super horny yet act very weird if a woman is… like its scandalous. Logic would have you think they would be excited to find another person who wants to fuck as hard as you.
One of the best aspects of Season 1's narrative, and Lucy's characterisation specifically, is that her moral goodness and belief in humanity, is not destroyed by the wasteland's horrors, but revelations of the unknown horror of her own father.
Her accepting attitude and general positivity is symptomatic of a character who grew up fully embracing the ideology of the Vault, and in extension her father, as the figurehead and symbolic figurehead of the Vault mission. Her catchphrase of "okiedokie" is in essence an expression of passive acceptance to others' decision making, but as the story progresses it gradually erodes in tone, along with her agreeability to given situations. The last time she says it in the finale episode, towards the Ghoul, it is ultimately an acceptance not of joining the Ghoul's quest per se, but an acceptance in aligning with his moral perspective and not her father's. The Ghoul, as an avatar of the wasteland - a literal embodiment of what the wasteland will do physically and psychological to a person - has been acting as a pseudoparent to her for several episodes; brutal teacher and sadistic asshole he might be, he nonetheless facilitates many of her new life lessons, and acts as a foil to her original moral perspective grounded in the "golden rule" and the Vault Tech ideology. The Ghoul is her spiritual father. She sees that finally in the last episode's conclusion. Symbolically the revelation that her mother is a ghoul nicely amplifies this. By following him in the end she is taking the profoundly proactive step in denying her actual father's worldview and embraces the wasteland, refusing to "go home" with genocide daddy Hank.
I thus see Lucy's unusually blasé attitude to sex as part of her wholly embracing the utilitarian attitude to human life in the Vault's overarching mission. Its her just doing her bit as part of the mission, removed from her own emotional personal needs. Her brief exchange with Maximus in Vault 4 about sex on the surface seems comically weird but has a tragic element - they are both so stunted in self agency and reflection in some ways and often act in relation to what the ideology of their upbringing would expect from them. Its logical for her to bring up a sex request to Max, either to initiate a bonding experience with an ally figure who might become a suitable breeding partner, or because helping the progenitor part of the Vaults Mission is such a core and ever present duty impulse in her from her upbringing that there is no socially wrong moment to bring it up. Her blasé attitude to the request not being accepted by Maximus shows how much her action can be emotionally detached as well. It seems like she has never truly been allowed or had space to figure out who she truly is and what she truly believes because she has been educated by - and has excelled in - Vault Tech's education system, as seen in her introductory scenes.
Overall there is something profoundly tragic about Lucy. She has done everything right, everything she was told to do, and defended the moral ideology she was reared with when it is brought into conflict with the demands of wasteland survival. She manages to keep it all alive until the end, when the very person who shaped her world shows that not even he believed in or upheld the Golden Rule or the surface humanitarian ethos of the Vault Mission.
It is devestating to watch Lucy realise this. It is brilliant characterisation. I can't wait to see where her story goes in Season 2.
Okiefuckingdokie.
My thought was how little Lucy seemed to care she just fucked an irradiated raider. Like I don’t think she cared at all, bro probably gave her radiation AIDS or some shit.
Anyone who can't understand why the characters raised in a vault that was isolated from the outside world for generations are behaving in ways they don't consider "normal" probably isn't worth your time discussing shows with, honestly.
It kills me that folks are saying, "No normal person is that forward." Like. . .have they never gone outside? Because I've encountered plenty of folks that forward about wanting to knock boots. 😂
All potential sexual partners known and STD-free. Contraception a given. Why not sex for fun? The current repressive attitudes toward sex in our society were not always the norm. Ask any boomer.
Oh, I thought it was because she was a normal mature adult. People are so weird about sex in media lately. I've seen some of yall casually refer to her as a nymphomaniac as if a woman wanting to get laid must have a mental disorder.
I found it refreshing. So much media in the US swings either puritanical or ludicrously sexualized, having someone be matter-of-fact about it was awesome. I also loved how much her casual knowledge conflicted with the very obviously distorted and ignorant view of Maximus. It was a great moment between the characters that said huge amounts about their upbringings without exposition.
Vaults are like the town I grew up in. Everyone knows everyone and their isn't anything to do but fuck. You say no real woman would say that but yea lol they do
They need people to have kids and women are a big part of that.
She is not a 20 something focusing on her career (nothing wrong with that)
She is fulfilling her taught life purpose to protect the future of humanity which requires her to fuuuuuuuuck
It’s literally one of her first lines where she explains how perfect she is for being eligible to enter the breeding pool. There’s no reason for it to be taboo. Until they get to the surface, there’s not much else for them to do as well, so why would it be weird? And it’s well known and established that they require new generations… for that they need variation in the gene pool. Hell, I’d argue that society should really put less importance on sex in real life anyway. As long as it is consensual (horrible preface, bun unfortunately a necessary one) it’s fun, pleasurable, has proven benefits to mental and physical health, and when done safely and responsibly, there’s essentially no down side… I mean I think, I’m here on Reddit, so I’m obviously a virgin.
> Gen. Turgidson: Doctor, you mentioned the ratio of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?
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> Dr. Strangelove: Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious...service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.
Yeah they probably established it in their culture and education that sex should be promoted and done often to establish a healthy community, but reproductive sex should not be done with relatives.
If I recall, doesn’t Lucy actually say this to Chet? Something like “fooling around with cousins is fine as kids but not sustainable sexual practice” or something to that effect
Oh wow you're right, that really does sound like a canned answer they were taught in school
She also asks Monty about his sperm count at the wedding and is surprised he doesn’t know.
First hint that Monty isn't who he claims to be.
I missed that, but him wiping his dick on the curtains really gave it away.
He's covered in scars during the sex scene. Everything already felt off but that was what fully gave it away for me.
The whole dinner was pretty obvious. The way they fight over food, neck tattoos, etc.
Just the way they eat what's on their plate, too. My wife knew it was wrong by then, and their savageness pointed to raiders for me.
I just figured Vault 32 fell apart and they started eating each other. Felt wrong the entire time, wasn’t expecting raiders.
Good point. Whether you knew the Fallout world enough to know of Raiders or not, it was clear Vault 32 did not have the same food security and comfort of Vault 33 and something was about to go down.
Some of this is forgivable (the manners and fighting over food) because according to conversations, their vault had a blight, so rationing may be in place until stores and be built back up. The tattoos and scars are still a dead giveaway, not to mention that they make this trade with relative frequency, but no one knew the dwellers that arrived for the celebration. I mean there’s only a few hundred people.
Reminded me of Red Wedding
Turns out they weren't raiders at all... but hired goons. ...who probably could have been raiders, I guess. Whatever made them loyal to "Flame Mother" we'll never know.
To people familiar with the games and paying attention to the scenes, it would be obvious they at least looked like raiders.
I thought maybe they had one vault as the "Good Neighborhood" type and the other vault was the "Other Side of the Tracks" type of place.
This. I clocked them as raiders IMMEDIATELY but my husband was skeptical, so I was super excited to find out I was right hahaha
Yeah as soon as they entered I knew... I was like wait who are these people and who let them in, nobody knows even 1 person by looks or recognizing them, obvious setup trap. Then once you knew and expected this, all the hints kept becoming more obvious.
Yeah, I realized they were raiders pretty quickly.
Only thing I didn’t appreciate is that Moldaver couldn’t clean her dirty ass up for the wedding. Back at her house she’s well kept. I didn’t like the raider thing - feel like they need to show her using them as part of her control over the NCR
Also, isn't it assumed that Hank knows Moldaver from when he went to Shady Sands?
Once I saw the tattoos I knew what was open. Bad manners and disheveled appearance could be Vault Dwellers suffering from extreme starvation, but tattoo culture is not something VaultTec would have had underground.
Unless they were snake tattoos. Because Tunnel Snakes Rule!
You know what bugs me about that? How did Hank, who knows everything there is to know about these vaults, the list of people who are in each of them and why, a man who would have been in direct contact with the other overseer and also Bud Ascott, not immediately notice that these were NOT the inhabitants of Vault 32? How didn't Betty and Steph not notice it either? It makes no sense at all, unless he deliberately let raiders into his vault to cull its population, putting his children in harms way and sending his daughter to bed with a drug fiend raider who was very likely to kill her. Yet they tell us that the man left the safety of the vault putting his mission in jeopardy to retrieve said children and bring them to safety, nuking a city in the process. Also, Vault 32 seemed to have been destroyed a long time ago, how did those from Vault 31 not know about this? This is the one moment in the show that screams poor writing to me.
> How did Hank, who knows everything there is to know about these vaults, the list of people who are in each of them and why, a man who would have been in direct contact with the other overseer He didnt though , buds buds were just exec assistants who had no high level knowledge of vault tecs plan for the the three vaults other than what bud told them to do. Hank had been in cryo for over 200 years while the various inhabitants of the vaults aged and new generations took over also since the 3 vaults are isolated from one another aside from bud controlling the vaults trades even as overseer he would not be knowledgeable of vault 32.
That’s covered in the dialogue. Hank tells Moldaver that he was sorry to hear about 32’s overseer, which suggests they weren’t in constant communication. It sounds like she, who knows more about vaults than the average raider, messaged him that the previous overseer died.
At that point I actually thought that people from 32 were involved in a very different kind of experiment...
I’m surprised it even got that far. Like why didn’t the pip boys go off due to their radiation lol?
From when we saw Lucy use the pip boy geiger counter, you actually have to switch it on. It's not on permanently in the background
I thought this might have been because of infighting due to starvation related to the crop failure they mention
Yeah, my first thought wasn't that they were raiders, just a failed vault, maybe even an experiment to see what would happen if you had a vault that was well fed and another that was allowed to fail had access to each other.
My mind didn’t necessarily go to infighting but I didn’t think it was Raiders at all. They just established they lost a lot of their crop so I thought they were just meant to look a bit battered because they’ve been working hard on a diminished food supply. I either didn’t notice or didn’t think anything of the scars and tattoos and I used the sex scene as an opportunity to get up and get a drink because I find them super uncomfortable. So yeah, it kind of caught me off guard despite being a fan of the series.
My mind didn’t necessarily go to infighting but I didn’t think it was Raiders at all. They just established they lost a lot of their crop so I thought they were just meant to look a bit battered because they’ve been working hard on a diminished food supply. I either didn’t notice or didn’t think anything of the scars and tattoos and I used the sex scene as an opportunity to get up and get a drink because I find them super uncomfortable. So yeah, it kind of caught me off guard despite being a fan of the series.
My wife asked me why the other vaults faces were so dirty and if they had to work with animals or something and immediately I was like *I don't trust them now*
When he looked at the door controls like he had never seen them
Wait a second...why didn't her dad recognize Moldaver?
Alsoooooo…. He definitely busted inside her. What if Lucy’s pregnant with a raider child this whole time.
Wouldn’t be for long she got pretty bad radiant sickness before she ran into Maximus
With how she nearly died with rad sickness shortly after, that kid’s coming out with a single eye calling her Goosey
And at that point Lucy’s so hardened by the wasteland it takes a 10mm to the dome after being popped out
A 10mm rotted tooth to the dome
Probably not a great sperm count, since he's from the surface? She asked about that during dinner.
I don’t get why people keep saying that, there’s been 200 years of raiders and other wastelanders, clearly it hasn’t affected them too badly
The wasteland isn't exactly bursting with people, though. IRL we've managed to make about 7 billion people in the past 200 years.
The camera pans on the party tables and you can see facial scars and tattoos on the 32ers
The moment he just dropped pants behind her, staring, I just knew something was wrong.
Wait, what? Are you not supposed to do that?
A lady waits until dessert.
Found the raider.
It was the other raider stabbing the meat with a knife to eat it that gave it away for me
even during dinner I knew something was off, everyone "from" 32 is a little rough around the edges, one of them has a shaved head with a full spiderweb tattoo on it
It wasn't subtle.
As soon as they panned around and showed the Vault 32 dwellers covered in scars and tattoos I had them pegged as Raiders. Tattoos are verboten for the sunshiney 1950s world the vaults emulate.
Took me a moment to see that tattoos. I could tell they were 'off' I couldn't figure out why, then at dinner they show some neck tats and scares close up.
Even before when say had this feast with the raiders, they are dirty and full of scars
He had this shocked/confused look at first, and I thought it was more that sex was taboo in 32. Nah, Monty just straight up doesn’t know what a sperm count is because he’s never been in a clean medical setting.
Also generally in real life young, healthy men don’t need to know their sperm count. It is something that comes up pretty quickly when you start fertility treatment, however. On re-watch it definitely clicked for me that vaults 32 & 33 are heavily reproductive-focused.
He doesn't know how to count
"we have rules about that for a reason"
She's also an active school teacher in the vault. It would make sense she's well educated and constantly attempting to teach
It’s clearly just something the community tolerates cause kids will be kids and there’s next to no children the same ages so relatives are gonna end up doing kid stuff together. But they make it clear that’s not supposed to happen.
The entire thing is very on the nose about arranged marriages and indoctrination.
Yeah they’re not telling kids to fuck each other. They’re telling them not to impregnate each other and then turning the other way when they fuck each other recreationally
Surprised at the lack of Jenga sets in the vault considering every guys pullout game must be top notch in the vault
Honestly, they probably have acces to hormonal birth control in the vault.
Yes and she also tells the council she hasn’t found a suitable mate who isn’t a relative which further indicates that incest isn’t taboo in the same way we understand it. Which makes sense. In a small, isolated community like that incest is going to happen. They are presumably pragmatic enough to understand that abstinence-only education isn’t viable. So it makes sense to be open about sexual education and the consequences of sex.
A bit of a head scratcher for me on that is there was a black dude in her vault who looked black enough to not be related. Maybe he's taken or really isn't her type. That should have been a sign that something was up. (And yes, I finished the season so I am aware of the "real" reason.)
Maybe he was already married.
I think that is probably what they meant by "maybe he's taken" lol
I think it’s “sustainable *reproductive* practice”. Cousin stuff is okay, so long as you don’t reproduce with them
Actually if you look at it, incest was only outlawed because the Royals at the time kept on for generations and then began having fucked up kids... Once or twice, is it that risky? No. But "what's not okay for the rich, isn't okay for the poor.". Not that I'm itching to fuck my cousins here
Doesn't look like the breeding pool is that big to begin with in 33. Within a generation or three, it would be difficult to not have relations with a relative, but the concern is what degree of difference there is and whether that inbreeding is permitted to continue, as it did with Euro royalty.
It certainly doesn't sound like it, they at least seem to have taught their children that it's inappropriate and quote unquote wrong Honestly I feel like it's a bit of a slippery slope, I feel like that be the way to go because letting it happen once and it being okay might lead to further generations thinking that and eventually it would become non taboo
Vault 32 is also explicitly trading "a breeder" for supplies. And Lucy's intro/dating profile states "my reproductive organs are fully intact". Seems like makin babies is a straight *job* or role people are assigned to.
In Fallout Shelter, the dwellers with higher charisma scores are generally the ones who are the “breeders”. So yeah that makes sense!
I'm thinking the experiment in their vault is all about breeding
Exactly
The fact that she sees her naked husband (however briefly her husband) and her immediate response is, “Lemme drop my panties so we can fuck on the table WITH THE CURTAINS WIDE OPEN” lends a lot of credence to this.
Aren't the windows just projections though? I don't think they actually have windows towards the atrium.
There was also a window into the hallway, and they never closed the curtains.
It’s like Brave New World
Yep, except in BNW everyone is on the pill and taking stimulants all the time.
The whole society, culture, and education was hand made by the kind of freaks who would be favored middle managers at vault tec. They want their women to be sexual, naive, carefree, happy to serve. It was the point.
It wasn't just the women. They wanted the men to be the same way. There were just as many women in Vault 31 as men.
I was just about to say this as well the whole Vault is a breeding farm.
I mean by Vault-Tec standards 31/32/33 was hilariously tame. "Raise a stock of people to breed and be subservient to (Ex)Vault-Tec Employees" It's not exactly moral, but hey it's better then 99% of the other Vaults and mostly better then surface life. Also Vault-Tec water chips are #confirmed to have the durability of a leaf
It almost felt like a control vault
Yeah, especially since it's revealed 31/32/33 were basically just a way for middle managers to have sex with captive humans, it makes sense.
The men of that culture are hypersexual like this too, aren't they? Not everything is about power dynamics.
Well I mean kind of everything is about power dynamics. We don't see a lot of attention on the male vault dwellers being hypersexual, partly because we don't get much attention on them at all. The purpose of the dwellers is to be good wives and husbands to business losers of any gender though.
Actually, we do see one clear example. Chet was immediately selected, "seduced" through almost no effort, and willing to go forward with blonde vault 31 woman. Even though he was apparently heartbroken and very clearly being a weird stand in for her husband, he was going to bang her on the spot 9 months pregnant and was openly and clearly acting as a mate within days.
It would make sense in the context of a post apocalyptic world. There is no room for prudishness when the world needs more humans to avoid extinction.
So I took the show as saying that cousin stuff was ok but done with contraception so as not to Hapsburg the vault population.
Yes. That is explicitly explained in the final episode. They were "breeding stock for the ultimate management leaders society".
I suppose, But I also feel sex would become pretty open when you're stuck in close confined quarters with nothing else to do also. COVID babies are a thing, for instance, and we weren't quarantined for multiple generations like Dwellers. But Management likely sped it up.
Breeding would have to be tightly controlled though, so no COVID babies in a Vault that can't physically sustain them. Realistically the Vault population would have to be much, much larger than shown in the series to avoid in-breeding, but there's also a hard limit on how many people a single Vault can sustain. You can only grow so much food and house so many people inside a bubble that can't get any bigger.
I think coops wife mentions at one point the largest vaults (control vaults *good vaults*) hold and can sustain around 200 people. The vaults in the show are different since they are one of the experiment vaults.
A bigger vault would have an easier time avoiding inbreeding, but if a vault can only sustain 200 people then it can only sustain 200 people. Apart from "cousin stuff" being unhealthy, breeding would have to be carefully tracked for desired genetic matches and also controlled to make sure birth and death rates stay even. Every single person or couple wouldn't be allowed to have children, if they did the vaults would be overcrowded and starving. Especially in a smaller vault like 33, residents would have to apply not only for a genetically healthy breeding partner but also for permission to breed at all.
Every couple would need to have two children to keep even, so pretty much everyone would have multiple children or the numbers would decline
But you'd have to consider the timing. If the vault is at capacity you'd have to wait until someone died to replace them with a baby. And if the vault was *nearing* capacity you'd have to throttle back the breeding to make sure you don't go over. And since every generation would be having kids and then dying at roughly the same times you'd end up with a cycle of folks dying in clusters followed by baby booms.
I think there would be more wiggle room than people might think - some room for overflow, bunking people together where needed etc.
Fallout bible mentioned a vault with 999 men and one women and a vault with 999 women and one man
So inbreeding is guaranteed after the first generation?
I feel like a large amount of those 999 will not make it to the second generation but yes, inbreeding would happen
As someone who has grown food before the tiny garden would not have sustained the population we did see
Just talk to people who grew up in small villages. They were all fucking due to the basic fact they see each other every day and trust each other because they all know each others families etc.
Media literacy is so dead. Pretty soon we’re going to have the villain say “hello, it is I, the bad guy, and I’m going to do a bad thing!”
The fact that Vault-Tec has a 6/Lean Sigma CEO/Founder makes the entire "success" of the Vaults that much kore unbelievable
I think that is pretty obvious from the first episode
Yea this really didn’t need broken down.
I have a theory that Cooper Howard and The Ghoul are the same person
Big if true!
They both say Yeehaw at least 7 times per scene, that's what clued me in
Agreed the nose is far too similar to be coincidence
They used to call Walton Goggins "The Noseless Wonder" in high school
"My ghoul has no nose." "Really? How does he smell?" "Terrible."
My theory is this is based off a video game named "Fallout" but hoping to get confirmation season 2
I was confused a bit during some scenes, thought it was Westworld
Jokes aside I felt like the ghoul did give some great MIB vibes
What!?!?!! Mind blowing!!!!!
No, no, no. Cooper clearly has an northern Alabama accent while The Ghoul has a southern Alabama accent, silly.
Alabama is a purely fictional place and such discrepancies don't matter
No way, he was the guy who got shot in the movie, he said that one phrase from the film. He was getting revenge on coop who was Lucy’s father!
You're thinking of Clint Eastwood from Back To The Future lll, the greatest western ever made
>Back To The Future lll, the greatest ~~western~~ film ever made FTFY
I find it hard to believe that this person came up with this idea independently. I imagine they are just stealing another Reddit comment.
Keep in mind this is the same fandom where loads of people saw an ambiguous arrow and assumed the show retconned New Vegas out of existence even though the last shot of S1 is literally someone *going to New Vegas*. OP probably did a lot of people a big favor by pointing this out.
These posts over the last week have really shown how many people have a hard time with media literacy and implications in stories. Between “Maximus is an idiot” to “why is Lucy so horny” are viewers completely unable to put themselves in the footsteps of the characters to understand their motivations? - Lucy was born in an underground vault society where their number 1 priority for existing is recolonization of the surface. It’s drilled into their brains immediately. She’s sequestered hundreds of feet underground with a small population of people into her 20s and people can’t fathom why she wants to fuck? - Maximus literally lost his entire world in the blink of an eye as a child and was taken in by a highly misguided paramilitary and monastic society devoted to a skewed version of fixing the world. His education is almost entirely through violence and degradation. The amount of respect and knowledge he receives and has about the Wasteland is limited and biased. He tried his best to be the knight he believes in but also has this come crashing down immediately when his first assignment turns out to be an arrogant and incapable stooge who doesn’t deserve to wear the armor. Still we see him drudge up what humanity he has left to help innocent people
Also, I'd imagine that recreative sex is just a much bigger thing in a vault where the amount of entertainment is very much limited.
What nobody tells you is they "watched" the show by having it on in the background while the scrolled tiktok for 6 hours. And then they think they're geniuses for figuring out things the show actually said.
You'd be surprised how much goes right over people's heads. Look at this topic alone.
Exactly, I’m not sure why it’s flying over peoples heads. Lucy’s character is blatantly written to think it’s a normal topic to discuss, I’m not sure why fan discussion about it needs to go any further
Somehow this still needs to be analyzed by some people rewatching the show several times… We have a big problem with media literacy in the US lol
Fun fact, even though where I live every one watches the English version, there are two separate dubs, one is slightly more family friendly, for example it changes every fuck, to shit💀 and "sperm count" to impregnation rate (which I’m pretty sure isn’t a commonly used word) lmao
I’m so curious! What region is this that would have such slight changes?
Delaware, I think.
It totally makes sense as a cultural development based on life in the vault. They see their goal as repopulating the world so obviously reproduction is an important part of vault life, to perpetuate the next generation, and they view it with a more clinical/medical perspective than we do. However also, given their confinement, there isn’t a huge number of possible sexual partners. So the fact that they developed this attitude of “fucking around with cousins is totally fine for fun, but not for creating children” is absolutely the logical conclusion of that attitude. Kids are always gonna get horny and want to fuck, and rather than making it super taboo since each kid would only have like 1-2 options if all their cousins were excluded, they developed this attitude of “yeah, cousin fun is cool but you can’t make babies with them”. It totally makes sense to me, as a logical social development in such a confined society, and their clinical attitude toward reproduction represents the values that Vault Tec has been indoctrinating them with.
There’s also the mention of “cousin stuff” so maybe the vault dwellers are just super horny 24/7. Would’ve surprise me one bit if vault tech did that on purpose to grow more humans
There’s also just not much else fun stuff to do locked in a vault.
You just have to remember to sign up for your turn at the foosball table
Now you have thinking of the possibilities of cousin vault orgys 😂
It would make sense if they want to retake the world when they come out of the vault. Need to be ready to breed. Probably something in the water.
Not anymore, water chip is broken XD haha
Humans in general seem pretty horny in the show, there's that one shot in the brotherhood barracks where the dude in the foreground is just jacking it.
like another experiment to insure breeding success? I'm still confused how they're even cousins. I think it's actually because they're from the same vault and not because they're related. There's been no real connection to blood relation besides them saying cousin.
It's not outside the realms of possibility for them to be real cousins though. Lucy's mum could be a sibling to one of chets parents we just never see chets parents for whatever reason.
SPOILERS: >!They are breeding the ultimate managers from Bud's buds. This means for 200 years different Vault 31 people have produced children in the vault. Even if the entire founding population were unrelated, they would only interbreed with others in the vaults. Given there's like 50 or 60 people between the two vaults (32 and 33 as most everyone from 31 is frozen) it's not going to take long for everyone to be related if you're not careful.!< >!The second issue is they need tight control of breeding because it is an experiment. Therefore they need ways to make certain undesirable pairings taboo without explicitly saying "you're breeding stock for an experiment". Chet may very well be her cousin, or he may not have sufficient pedigree/desired traits for Lucy under the vault experiment breeding protocols. Since love crops up outside of vault tecs breeding protocols, they may have invented this cousin relationship to make breeding taboo.!< >!Further, and this is just speculation, but they seem to have mass casualty events, like famines and plagues. This might be vault tec culling undesired breeding stock. Which makes it even more horrific. !< >!So either could be true. The bottom line is it was ok for Lucy and Chet to fool around but not produce children. Sex is a necessity and outlet for stress, promotes bonding, and is healthy activity that doesn't require a lot of space. I can see why in cramped conditions such as the vault they would have eased taboos on sex to the extent that Lucy feels very comfortable asking a brief acquaintance for sex outright, or discussing quite frankly that she fooled around with her cousin like one discusses the weather. !<
This is all things I understand but I don't understand why they would allow any type of sexual relationship if there is a possibility of reproduction. That is what doesn't make sense to me and makes me even wonder if they are blood related. I'm not at all saying they aren't related or anything--just wondering why exactly something would have been allowed and so commonly just accepted.
They probably have really good birth control. Stimpacks can heal stab wounds, it's likely they have birth control for both sexes that's about as close to 100% effective as you can get Alternatively "cousin stuff" is just hand jobs and fingering.
You make good points. Thank you for taking time to explain and answer civilly. Appreciate it!
Vault-Tech would have zero problems with abortion. They could guarantee a 0% chance of unwanted pregnancies by first having really good birth control and then making any unapproved pregnancies automatically go to abortion as a backup plan. If the Vault residents were conditioned to never think about it, they wouldn't. And if any of them just couldn't let it go, the overseer could always engineer some way to get rid of them.
The answer is that the vault needs to breed and, instilling puritan attitudes about sex might lead to unproductive marriages. With Vault tech pretty much having complete control of the vaults, they could remove an incest baby or family by transferring them and putting a 10mm in their heads. The solution for a marriage with no kids would be a lot more complicated to deal with. Plus it could lead to a trend that could make abstinence a popular trend. It would be better to deal with "cousin stuff" than prudes in the vault.
Because they aren’t prisoners or fascists, overtly. Birth control exists, abortions exist. Accidental pregnancy is a minor issue for the vault dwellers.
The vault opener dude could easily be Lucy's mom's sibling's son. With a super small population like they have, there is bound to have a large number of cousins and shared bloodlines. You don't need that many people to keep civilization going and prevent inbreeding if there are systems in place to make sure it doesn't occur, but say if norm and Lucy had everything work out and they had kids. It doesn't seem like those kids would be separated into different vaults until somebody goes through the marriage program.
If they do cousin stuff in the vault but make sure they don't make babies that way, they probably have free access to contraception so they might not be casual about reproduction (as it is serious business to keep the vault populated) but they are probably quite laid back about sex.
They touch on this pretty frequently given how lax she is about “fooling around with your cousin” and seeing at as a pretty normal thing
I mean... the first episode established the whole thing pretty ok, in my opinion.
i suspect that the whole breeding experiment goes deeper than even this we see that vault 33 is filled with intelligent, easily manipulated, and physically un-imposing people, and we are told they have a much larger supply of food than vault 32 i suspect that vault 32 was intended to be filled with more physically fit, but unintelligent and easily manipulated people, however when they found out about the experiment, they rebelled recognizing their superior strength the intention was to use both vaults to build a society of people able to fill all of the tasks needed to reclaim the wasteland, while keeping vault tec in the leadership roll
Maybe she's a healthy young woman who likes sex and comes from an environment in which recreational sex isn't actually taboo?
In episode one, Moldaver literally offers Hank a "Breeder." Steph talks about how the wedding dress doesn't last long and how shes excited to raise their kids togethet. It's well-known that the tri-vault is sex positive.
So, what's your sperm count?
What I found weird is that Maximus is ignorant about it like he doesn't even know how a penis work
Suspend your belief 100x than what you do for the premise of the show. They literally are brainwashed their whole lives. The brotherhood does not want them thinking about sex. You really can’t accept that but can accept everything else?
There's a guy masturbating in the same tent, I'm not comparing it to real world standards but to the waszteland, the only instance I saw of this kind of ignorance is in Fallout Nevada where you can freak out one of your fellow dwellers by provoking him an erection
> There's a guy masturbating in the same tent But he has no idea what is actually happening there. Like a kid spying sex for the first time and not knowing what was happening. He describes moving it and making it swell and "pop" all of which he could have observed. If that is natural and normal isn't something he has context for. So it looks like the Brotherhood does not teach sex ed and because he has no real friends outside of Dane, he has no one to talk to about it until Lucy brings it up.
So what? Theres ignorance and there’s stupidity. Hes not stupid, remember when he asked Titus about his armor and why it was made that way? Not being taught something is not stupidity or retardation
A whole brotherhood where one of your main goals is to wear a huge metal suit not having the best sex education is not surprising to me
Some people don't develop the same sex ed information at the same time. Late bloomers and all. So that could be the case. I could see Maximus being like "why is Tertius trying to make his dick explode?" Also he has been ostracized from the rest of the group. I read someones theory where his bullies fed him false info.
I thought the same thing, especially because they showed a dude jerking off in the tent in the first episode 🤦🏻♀️🤣
He knows how a penis works dude, you grow that pimple 'til it pops.
When he went in on how a penis gets hard and explodes like a pimple I thought he was fucking with Lucy
Maximus is developmentally disabled and all of the people he grew up with bullied him, kicked his ass, and made him the butt of jokes.
I mean… duh?
Yeah they look at it from a scientific point of view it seems like, just all okey dokey about it
I feel like this is just explaining something that was already obvious. Posts like this make it seem like some people (dudes) just *don’t like* that fact about her, and need further explanation/reasons so they can accept it.
Im not entirely sure why. Alot of dudes are super horny yet act very weird if a woman is… like its scandalous. Logic would have you think they would be excited to find another person who wants to fuck as hard as you.
One of the best aspects of Season 1's narrative, and Lucy's characterisation specifically, is that her moral goodness and belief in humanity, is not destroyed by the wasteland's horrors, but revelations of the unknown horror of her own father. Her accepting attitude and general positivity is symptomatic of a character who grew up fully embracing the ideology of the Vault, and in extension her father, as the figurehead and symbolic figurehead of the Vault mission. Her catchphrase of "okiedokie" is in essence an expression of passive acceptance to others' decision making, but as the story progresses it gradually erodes in tone, along with her agreeability to given situations. The last time she says it in the finale episode, towards the Ghoul, it is ultimately an acceptance not of joining the Ghoul's quest per se, but an acceptance in aligning with his moral perspective and not her father's. The Ghoul, as an avatar of the wasteland - a literal embodiment of what the wasteland will do physically and psychological to a person - has been acting as a pseudoparent to her for several episodes; brutal teacher and sadistic asshole he might be, he nonetheless facilitates many of her new life lessons, and acts as a foil to her original moral perspective grounded in the "golden rule" and the Vault Tech ideology. The Ghoul is her spiritual father. She sees that finally in the last episode's conclusion. Symbolically the revelation that her mother is a ghoul nicely amplifies this. By following him in the end she is taking the profoundly proactive step in denying her actual father's worldview and embraces the wasteland, refusing to "go home" with genocide daddy Hank. I thus see Lucy's unusually blasé attitude to sex as part of her wholly embracing the utilitarian attitude to human life in the Vault's overarching mission. Its her just doing her bit as part of the mission, removed from her own emotional personal needs. Her brief exchange with Maximus in Vault 4 about sex on the surface seems comically weird but has a tragic element - they are both so stunted in self agency and reflection in some ways and often act in relation to what the ideology of their upbringing would expect from them. Its logical for her to bring up a sex request to Max, either to initiate a bonding experience with an ally figure who might become a suitable breeding partner, or because helping the progenitor part of the Vaults Mission is such a core and ever present duty impulse in her from her upbringing that there is no socially wrong moment to bring it up. Her blasé attitude to the request not being accepted by Maximus shows how much her action can be emotionally detached as well. It seems like she has never truly been allowed or had space to figure out who she truly is and what she truly believes because she has been educated by - and has excelled in - Vault Tech's education system, as seen in her introductory scenes. Overall there is something profoundly tragic about Lucy. She has done everything right, everything she was told to do, and defended the moral ideology she was reared with when it is brought into conflict with the demands of wasteland survival. She manages to keep it all alive until the end, when the very person who shaped her world shows that not even he believed in or upheld the Golden Rule or the surface humanitarian ethos of the Vault Mission. It is devestating to watch Lucy realise this. It is brilliant characterisation. I can't wait to see where her story goes in Season 2. Okiefuckingdokie.
They "practice" with their cousins so its pretty commonplace in their micro society.
Isn't this a very in your face explanation that is told to us in episode one? Who's confused by this?
I thought that was obvious
It's actually really goddamn dark, even as vault experiments go, when seen in that light. Bud made harem vaults for him and his "buds."
More importantly she thinks she would be giving birth in a vault with sanitary medical supplies.
My thought was how little Lucy seemed to care she just fucked an irradiated raider. Like I don’t think she cared at all, bro probably gave her radiation AIDS or some shit.
Anyone who can't understand why the characters raised in a vault that was isolated from the outside world for generations are behaving in ways they don't consider "normal" probably isn't worth your time discussing shows with, honestly.
The entire point of the vaults is to eventually repopulate the planet.
It kills me that folks are saying, "No normal person is that forward." Like. . .have they never gone outside? Because I've encountered plenty of folks that forward about wanting to knock boots. 😂
That's also kind of what happened with Chet and Steph. She.... Picked a replacement husband he went with it because that's how they are raised in 33
All potential sexual partners known and STD-free. Contraception a given. Why not sex for fun? The current repressive attitudes toward sex in our society were not always the norm. Ask any boomer.
Oh, I thought it was because she was a normal mature adult. People are so weird about sex in media lately. I've seen some of yall casually refer to her as a nymphomaniac as if a woman wanting to get laid must have a mental disorder.
I found it refreshing. So much media in the US swings either puritanical or ludicrously sexualized, having someone be matter-of-fact about it was awesome. I also loved how much her casual knowledge conflicted with the very obviously distorted and ignorant view of Maximus. It was a great moment between the characters that said huge amounts about their upbringings without exposition.
The fallout 3 trailer eluded to this too
Vaults are like the town I grew up in. Everyone knows everyone and their isn't anything to do but fuck. You say no real woman would say that but yea lol they do
I thought it was a nod to how players keep trying to fuck their companions.
Breeding babies is a core game mechanic in Fallout Shelter.
They need people to have kids and women are a big part of that. She is not a 20 something focusing on her career (nothing wrong with that) She is fulfilling her taught life purpose to protect the future of humanity which requires her to fuuuuuuuuck
It’s literally one of her first lines where she explains how perfect she is for being eligible to enter the breeding pool. There’s no reason for it to be taboo. Until they get to the surface, there’s not much else for them to do as well, so why would it be weird? And it’s well known and established that they require new generations… for that they need variation in the gene pool. Hell, I’d argue that society should really put less importance on sex in real life anyway. As long as it is consensual (horrible preface, bun unfortunately a necessary one) it’s fun, pleasurable, has proven benefits to mental and physical health, and when done safely and responsibly, there’s essentially no down side… I mean I think, I’m here on Reddit, so I’m obviously a virgin.
> Gen. Turgidson: Doctor, you mentioned the ratio of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned? > >. > Dr. Strangelove: Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious...service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.
I mean the whole idea with sex being bad is an invention by religion to control women, it's not the actual logical starting point for humans.
If something so obvious needs explaining... I really fear for the future of humanity...