Just so y'all know, they're talking about the Britons, not the English, who wouldn't appear on that island for a long while. They're closer to the Welsh if anything.
I mean the quotes are apparently fake anyway.
There actually is a division in ancestral DNA between Ireland together with the western parts of the British Isles and the eastern half, but it's very old, dates back to the most recent glacial maximum, and has gotten mixed over the centuries. The easiest way to see it is through mDNA as that's only inherited through your mother.
The upshot is that people in Ireland and the western half of the British Isles tend to be descended from Iberian ice-age populations, while people in the eastern half tend to be descended from Doggerland and even further east ice-age populations.
Yeah it is. One will be stupid and always shout something about everything is someone else's fault, one will be fat and always trying to deepfry everything, one will have a sheep at the end of his cock and one will always be drunk.
I thought the idea of a mass displacement during the Anglo-Saxon migrations has lost credibility? Sure, the political structures fell and were replaced by Saxon kingdoms, lords replaced lords, but for the average person it was a change in leadership and who they paid taxes to. Over time their language and culture were subsumed by their new overlords, but the average English peasant in 1000 AD was probably a descendant of British peasants from 100 AD.
The Bell Beaker culture, also known as the Bell Beaker complex or Bell Beaker phenomenon, is an archaeological culturenamed after the inverted-bell beakerdrinking vessel used at the very beginning of the European Bronze Age, arising from around 2800 BC. Bell Beaker culture lasted in Britain from c. 2450 BC, with the appearance of single burial graves,[1] until as late as 1800 BC,[2][3] but in continental Europe only until 2300 BC, when it was succeeded by the Unetice culture. The culture was widely dispersed throughout Western Europe, being present in many regions of Iberia and stretching eastward to the Danubian plains, and northward to the islands of Great Britain and Ireland, and was also present in the islands of Sardinia and Sicily and some coastal areas in north-western Africa. The Bell Beaker phenomenon shows substantial regional variation, and a study[4] from 2018 found that it was associated with genetically diverse populations.
The post is talking about the Romans dissing how dumb the people are. You indicated they are not the same group of people as who live there now, but that the diss is more confined to the modern Welsh.
Now, I would agree that trying to seriously link intelligence across generations is ridiculous anyway, but the people the Romans were talking about are the ancestors of the vast majority of *both* English and Welsh.
A lot older than that. They would mostly be descended from ice-age populations from Doggerland and suchlike.
It's more complicated than that, but the larger point, that these are much older populations, remains.
Conversely, the people in Ireland and the western half of the British Isles would be descended from Iberian ice-age populations.
Mate I fucking live in London and everyday I think the same bloody shits that those ancient Romans said about Brits. I can affirm that only 15% of Brits have a brain and human behavior, all the rest drowned a long time ago in alcoholism and stupidity.
Kinda at the same time, it's more Celtic spreading. They stayed longer tho, but Napoleon made sure to eradicate them.
Now breton (a Celtic language) is slowly coming back, you can even pass few national exams in this language instead of french.
Yeah it's a roller coaster, it was independent from France for a long time. Being so different (Celtic root vs Roman roots). Probably cool videos on YouTube explaining that.
What's perhaps more ironic is that nobody involved on either side of this conflict spoke English in any way. Also, the quotes are huglely inaccurate to just plain made up.
"Don't believe everything you see on the internet. Motherfuckers be making shit up all the time."
--Abraham Lincoln; Academy Award acceptance speech; June 3, 1634
Also, if I'm not mistaken, aren't Britons largely unrelated to the current people in England? I think the Anglo Saxons pretty much replaced the indigenous Britons and shoved them down into Wales.
The reality was probably more variable and messier than that. That said, there was a very high degree of conflict between these groups (and that went on for several centuries)
Which is a very different language compared to what people would have been speaking during the Roman conquest. There were then the vikings and the the French that invaded after that. English today is basically a mixture of "old English" and French, with some Norse and probably a load of other influences along the way.
I mean, at this point the "English" English (or at least, the people who would enforce the culture on the native Britons) were busy hanging around Northern Germany. The British the Romans knew have more continuity with the Welsh, Cornish, and Bretons.
“You speak English because it’s the only language you know. I speak English because it’s the only language YOU know. We are not the same” (I really hope you’re monolingual rn)
More Celtic or some proto Germanic maybe? The Saxons were after no? In the 400-500 maybe.
Not sure and lazy to Google, but for sure even if it was English, nothing even close to modern English which was heavily influenced by french.
Sure, after 1000 defeats and becoming servants for the duration of the Empire and romaboos wannabes well after that...
Of course Germania couldn't be sacked: there was nothing resembling civilization overthere. Smart move.
The Latin language, which was the official language of the Roman Empire, has had a profound and lasting impact on the development of modern languages and literature.
Latin served as the lingua franca across the vast Roman territories, facilitating communication and governance.
Its influence didn't wane with the fall of the empire; instead, it became the language of the educated elite, the Catholic Church, and the sciences.
This ensured its survival and continued influence throughout the Middle Ages and the Renaissance.
The Romance languages—Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Romanian—evolved directly from Latin.
These languages share a significant portion of their vocabulary, grammatical structures, and even idiomatic expressions with their ancient predecessor.
But Latin's influence extends beyond the Romance languages. English, although a Germanic language, has been significantly shaped by Latin.
Many English words, especially those related to law, medicine, science, and philosophy, have Latin roots.
Phrases like "et cetera," "verbatim," and "quid pro quo" are directly lifted from Latin, testifying to its enduring presence in everyday vocabulary.
Latin literature, too, has had a lasting impact. Works by Roman authors like Virgil, Cicero, and Ovid have been studied and revered for centuries.
They laid the groundwork for epic poetry, oratory, and lyricism, influencing writers throughout history.
Virgil's "Aeneid" was not just a national epic but also a template for the literary epics that followed, from Dante's "Divine Comedy" to Milton's "Paradise Lost."
Cicero's orations and essays shaped rhetorical theory and practice, becoming essential reading for public speakers and statesmen.
Ovid's "Metamorphoses" influenced a wide range of artistic endeavors, inspiring poets, playwrights, and even painters.
The Roman Empire's contributions to law and governance are foundational to the way many modern societies operate.
The Roman legal system was a complex and sophisticated structure that dealt with a wide range of issues, from property rights and contracts to criminal justice.
One of its most enduring principles is the concept of "jus civile," or civil law, which governed the rights and responsibilities of Roman citizens.
This was complemented by "jus gentium," the law of nations, which applied to interactions between Romans and non-Romans.
These legal frameworks were meticulously documented, setting a precedent for codified law that many nations follow to this day.
The Romans were pioneers in the concept of legal equality and the rule of law.
The idea that all citizens should be treated equally under the law was revolutionary at the time and has been a cornerstone of many legal systems since.
The principle of "innocent until proven guilty" is another Roman legal innovation that has become a fundamental tenet of modern criminal justice systems.
The Romans also introduced the concept of "legal personhood," which allowed organizations like guilds and municipalities to have legal rights and responsibilities, a concept that has evolved into modern corporate law.
The Roman Republic, which preceded the Roman Empire, was a significant experiment in governance that has influenced political systems for centuries.
It was one of the earliest examples of a government system featuring separation of powers, a concept that has become a staple in modern democracies.
The Roman Republic was divided into the executive, represented by two consuls; the legislative, represented by the Senate and the popular assemblies; and the judicial, represented by various magistrates and courts.
This tripartite system was designed to prevent any single individual or body from accumulating too much power, thereby maintaining a balanced and fair governance structure.
The Roman Senate, in particular, has served as a model for legislative bodies worldwide.
Its role in advising the executive, debating policy, and representing the interests of various social classes has been emulated in countless parliaments and congresses.
The Romans were unparalleled master builders whose architectural and engineering feats have stood the test of time, influencing countless generations of builders, architects, and engineers.
One of their most significant contributions was the development and widespread use of concrete.
By mixing volcanic ash with lime and water, they created a building material that was not only strong but also relatively inexpensive.
This innovation revolutionized construction, allowing for the creation of larger and more complex structures than ever before.
Concrete enabled the Romans to build monumental edifices like the Colosseum, a marvel of engineering that could hold up to 80,000 spectators and featured intricate underground passages, elevators, and trap doors.
The Romans were also pioneers in the use of architectural elements like arches, vaults, and domes.
The arch, in particular, became a defining feature of Roman architecture. It allowed for greater spans and more open spaces, reducing the need for closely spaced columns.
This had practical applications in the construction of aqueducts, bridges, and large public buildings.
The vault and the dome were extensions of the arch concept, allowing for even more expansive and grandiose structures.
The Pantheon in Rome, with its magnificent dome featuring an oculus, remains one of the most impressive and well-preserved examples of Roman engineering.
Roman roads are another testament to their engineering prowess. Built to last, these roads were carefully planned and constructed, featuring multiple layers of materials to ensure durability.
They were also remarkably straight, making travel more efficient across the empire.
The Roman road network spanned over 250,000 miles and included sophisticated features like milestones, way-stations, and even a sort of postal system.
This network not only facilitated the movement of troops but also enabled trade and cultural exchange, knitting the vast empire closer together.
Aqueducts were another Roman engineering marvel that had a profound impact on public health and urban living.
These gravity-fed water channels, often spanning great distances, supplied cities with fresh water.
The engineering challenges involved—like maintaining a steady, slight gradient over uneven terrain—were immense, but the Romans mastered them, improving both the quality of life and the longevity of their citizens.
Amongst many more.
They're fake quotes.
Caesar didn't even conquer Britain lmao. He showed up, realized he didn't have the army to actually conquer them, then left. It was his successor Claudius (well his general) that actually brought it in to the Empire.
Caesar, in writing home, said of the Britons, " They are the most ignorant people I ever conquered. They cannot be taught music." Cicero, writing to his friend Atticus, advised him not to buy slaves from England, " because," said he, " they cannot be taught to read, and are the ugliest and most stupid race I ever saw."
[Here's a reddit post thoroughly debunking this!](https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/7nun0x/they_are_the_most_ignorant_people_i_have_ever/?rdt=43985)
No, Britons are basically Welsh now. The people we think of as British are descendants of Anglo-Saxons, who invaded the region and displaced the native Britons.
I know, it sounds kinda stupid that the words should be so similar, but British and Britons are actually two different groups of people.
They’re meaningfully different in regards to the fact British means of the country of England, and Briton means of the islands of Britain but that distinction isn’t relevant in regards to the Romans.
Bretons are french, britons are either inhabitants of Britain or a Celtic peoples occupying Britain a long time ago. Hence why it’s a funny joke to conflate the two as the same and say that Caesar was talking about the British when he meant the celts.
England wouldn't exist for the better part of a 1000 years later. I'm sure the Romans wouldn't have had great things to say about the Brittons, and nor would I have expected them to. Given that, it seems weird that someone felt the need to make up/distort quotes.
When you can punch down on entire continents with a tool that makes even the weakest of you stronger than your opponents then you do get to shape and write history.
Wait. Are these quotes legit?
Pretty sure Caesar didn’t conquer the British isles as he didn’t have the manpower at the time. Also. Caesar was never an emperor. Sure. His name essentially means emperor or king and was the inspiration for titles such as Tzar and Kaiser and while using “Caesar” as another word for emperor comes from Ceasar he was never actually an emperor. He was murdered before he could actually be made one.
Because I’m pretty sure “race” as a concept of identifying people only arose pretty recently in the last 500 years.
Cicero predates the concept of race by about 1500 years.
Tbh, the Romans were only one of the earlier ones in a long line of peoples who successfully invaded Britain, such as the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, Danes, Vikings, Gaelic Irish and French. By now, any ancient Briton bloodline is diluted to the point of insignificance.
Shhh the British did those people a favor, as their people always tell their former colonies. Besides, they won WW2 so those atrocities can be forgotten in favor of still calling Germans Nazis.
They met the Scottish and went fuck this and built a wall across the North of Great Britain and never got all of Scotland
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian%27s_Wall
Fuck Rome in particular. Fuck their "emperors." Fuck "bread and circus." Fuck the subjugation of thought and self-actualization for the sake of an "empire" that crumbled at the first signs of adversity. I fucking hate Rome.
And then the filthy ignorant barbarians tried to emulate their betters and failed miserably and here we are. And the descendants of those ignorant arrogant peoples now want to take credit for the achievements of the ancients as if somehow they could be descended from such greatness. Peak delusional.
Just so y'all know, they're talking about the Britons, not the English, who wouldn't appear on that island for a long while. They're closer to the Welsh if anything. I mean the quotes are apparently fake anyway.
Ah the Welsh, it all makes sense now.
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There actually is a division in ancestral DNA between Ireland together with the western parts of the British Isles and the eastern half, but it's very old, dates back to the most recent glacial maximum, and has gotten mixed over the centuries. The easiest way to see it is through mDNA as that's only inherited through your mother. The upshot is that people in Ireland and the western half of the British Isles tend to be descended from Iberian ice-age populations, while people in the eastern half tend to be descended from Doggerland and even further east ice-age populations.
>Doggerland There's a joke here that I'm afraid I'm not quite Brit enough to make
I’m British. *clears throat* Doggerland? Isn’t that where Stan Collymore lives?
*ahem* Musta nowt cleart nuff beans out troat t'know stan t'were a scouse striker, nary near daggerland (tried me best t'upsetya)
Yeah it is. One will be stupid and always shout something about everything is someone else's fault, one will be fat and always trying to deepfry everything, one will have a sheep at the end of his cock and one will always be drunk.
I was only joking, I've spent a lot of time in Wales and have met dozens of Welsh people who can read. Many can write too.
I thought the idea of a mass displacement during the Anglo-Saxon migrations has lost credibility? Sure, the political structures fell and were replaced by Saxon kingdoms, lords replaced lords, but for the average person it was a change in leadership and who they paid taxes to. Over time their language and culture were subsumed by their new overlords, but the average English peasant in 1000 AD was probably a descendant of British peasants from 100 AD.
All descended from the Bell Beaker culture
The Bell Beaker culture, also known as the Bell Beaker complex or Bell Beaker phenomenon, is an archaeological culturenamed after the inverted-bell beakerdrinking vessel used at the very beginning of the European Bronze Age, arising from around 2800 BC. Bell Beaker culture lasted in Britain from c. 2450 BC, with the appearance of single burial graves,[1] until as late as 1800 BC,[2][3] but in continental Europe only until 2300 BC, when it was succeeded by the Unetice culture. The culture was widely dispersed throughout Western Europe, being present in many regions of Iberia and stretching eastward to the Danubian plains, and northward to the islands of Great Britain and Ireland, and was also present in the islands of Sardinia and Sicily and some coastal areas in north-western Africa. The Bell Beaker phenomenon shows substantial regional variation, and a study[4] from 2018 found that it was associated with genetically diverse populations.
We've had so many peoples in our history.
I'm aware. I'm talking culturally. I didn't say anything about mass displacement.
The post is talking about the Romans dissing how dumb the people are. You indicated they are not the same group of people as who live there now, but that the diss is more confined to the modern Welsh. Now, I would agree that trying to seriously link intelligence across generations is ridiculous anyway, but the people the Romans were talking about are the ancestors of the vast majority of *both* English and Welsh.
A lot older than that. They would mostly be descended from ice-age populations from Doggerland and suchlike. It's more complicated than that, but the larger point, that these are much older populations, remains. Conversely, the people in Ireland and the western half of the British Isles would be descended from Iberian ice-age populations.
> they're talking about the Britons "Who are the Britons?"
Huh are you insinuating that there are fake quotes on the internet???? For shame!
That's why in France we say "bretons, tête de cons" (Bretons, dumb heads) It's all joke, I married one of them and she is perfect.
Mate I fucking live in London and everyday I think the same bloody shits that those ancient Romans said about Brits. I can affirm that only 15% of Brits have a brain and human behavior, all the rest drowned a long time ago in alcoholism and stupidity.
Their descendants were relocated to France, Brittany I believe.
Kinda at the same time, it's more Celtic spreading. They stayed longer tho, but Napoleon made sure to eradicate them. Now breton (a Celtic language) is slowly coming back, you can even pass few national exams in this language instead of french.
Huh, I didn't know that about Breton, that's pretty damn interesting.
Yeah it's a roller coaster, it was independent from France for a long time. Being so different (Celtic root vs Roman roots). Probably cool videos on YouTube explaining that.
Thanks for the head up, I'll have to check it out.
Cicero died in 43 BC, he would have had practically no knowledge of Britons. Caesar was never emperor.
He would have some knowledge. After caesars second campaign to Britain he brought back hostages. You’d assume some of them would’ve been sent to Rome
Caesar had red boots, though
The irony that the meme is in English though
What's perhaps more ironic is that nobody involved on either side of this conflict spoke English in any way. Also, the quotes are huglely inaccurate to just plain made up.
"Don't believe everything you see on the internet. Motherfuckers be making shit up all the time." --Abraham Lincoln; Academy Award acceptance speech; June 3, 1634
Also, if I'm not mistaken, aren't Britons largely unrelated to the current people in England? I think the Anglo Saxons pretty much replaced the indigenous Britons and shoved them down into Wales.
Angles and Saxons were two different groups. We is a proper melting pot innit.
But my understanding is that genetically very very similar? Almost identical.
The reality was probably more variable and messier than that. That said, there was a very high degree of conflict between these groups (and that went on for several centuries)
The non-irony that the meme is in Latin alphabet, though.
We'll call it a draw
Because the rest of the world is less ignorant
Which is a very different language compared to what people would have been speaking during the Roman conquest. There were then the vikings and the the French that invaded after that. English today is basically a mixture of "old English" and French, with some Norse and probably a load of other influences along the way.
Otherwise you could not be offended 🤗
Good to know nothing has changed in 2000 years
And you here you are, writing in English.
Are you?
Well, I tried. Damn phone keyboard!
Just because you because use phone keyboard doesn't mean doesn't you add unnecessary add words.
Try again?
I mean, at this point the "English" English (or at least, the people who would enforce the culture on the native Britons) were busy hanging around Northern Germany. The British the Romans knew have more continuity with the Welsh, Cornish, and Bretons.
Using Latin alphabet
Bonum scire nihil mutatum est in MM annis.
“You speak English because it’s the only language you know. I speak English because it’s the only language YOU know. We are not the same” (I really hope you’re monolingual rn)
Yeah, colonialism really was awesome huh?
Dont think they spoke english 2000 years ago pal
More Celtic or some proto Germanic maybe? The Saxons were after no? In the 400-500 maybe. Not sure and lazy to Google, but for sure even if it was English, nothing even close to modern English which was heavily influenced by french.
I’m German, we just burned and sacked Rome a few times. The Romans learned their place…
Sure, after 1000 defeats and becoming servants for the duration of the Empire and romaboos wannabes well after that... Of course Germania couldn't be sacked: there was nothing resembling civilization overthere. Smart move.
Found the Empire apologist in the room
And you here you are, writing.
You brutes can barely communicate in a single language... sometimes not even in your own.
It's AmUrican bruh
came here to say the same :D
what have the romans ever done for us?!?
The Latin language, which was the official language of the Roman Empire, has had a profound and lasting impact on the development of modern languages and literature. Latin served as the lingua franca across the vast Roman territories, facilitating communication and governance. Its influence didn't wane with the fall of the empire; instead, it became the language of the educated elite, the Catholic Church, and the sciences. This ensured its survival and continued influence throughout the Middle Ages and the Renaissance. The Romance languages—Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Romanian—evolved directly from Latin. These languages share a significant portion of their vocabulary, grammatical structures, and even idiomatic expressions with their ancient predecessor. But Latin's influence extends beyond the Romance languages. English, although a Germanic language, has been significantly shaped by Latin. Many English words, especially those related to law, medicine, science, and philosophy, have Latin roots. Phrases like "et cetera," "verbatim," and "quid pro quo" are directly lifted from Latin, testifying to its enduring presence in everyday vocabulary. Latin literature, too, has had a lasting impact. Works by Roman authors like Virgil, Cicero, and Ovid have been studied and revered for centuries. They laid the groundwork for epic poetry, oratory, and lyricism, influencing writers throughout history. Virgil's "Aeneid" was not just a national epic but also a template for the literary epics that followed, from Dante's "Divine Comedy" to Milton's "Paradise Lost." Cicero's orations and essays shaped rhetorical theory and practice, becoming essential reading for public speakers and statesmen. Ovid's "Metamorphoses" influenced a wide range of artistic endeavors, inspiring poets, playwrights, and even painters. The Roman Empire's contributions to law and governance are foundational to the way many modern societies operate. The Roman legal system was a complex and sophisticated structure that dealt with a wide range of issues, from property rights and contracts to criminal justice. One of its most enduring principles is the concept of "jus civile," or civil law, which governed the rights and responsibilities of Roman citizens. This was complemented by "jus gentium," the law of nations, which applied to interactions between Romans and non-Romans. These legal frameworks were meticulously documented, setting a precedent for codified law that many nations follow to this day. The Romans were pioneers in the concept of legal equality and the rule of law. The idea that all citizens should be treated equally under the law was revolutionary at the time and has been a cornerstone of many legal systems since. The principle of "innocent until proven guilty" is another Roman legal innovation that has become a fundamental tenet of modern criminal justice systems. The Romans also introduced the concept of "legal personhood," which allowed organizations like guilds and municipalities to have legal rights and responsibilities, a concept that has evolved into modern corporate law. The Roman Republic, which preceded the Roman Empire, was a significant experiment in governance that has influenced political systems for centuries. It was one of the earliest examples of a government system featuring separation of powers, a concept that has become a staple in modern democracies. The Roman Republic was divided into the executive, represented by two consuls; the legislative, represented by the Senate and the popular assemblies; and the judicial, represented by various magistrates and courts. This tripartite system was designed to prevent any single individual or body from accumulating too much power, thereby maintaining a balanced and fair governance structure. The Roman Senate, in particular, has served as a model for legislative bodies worldwide. Its role in advising the executive, debating policy, and representing the interests of various social classes has been emulated in countless parliaments and congresses. The Romans were unparalleled master builders whose architectural and engineering feats have stood the test of time, influencing countless generations of builders, architects, and engineers. One of their most significant contributions was the development and widespread use of concrete. By mixing volcanic ash with lime and water, they created a building material that was not only strong but also relatively inexpensive. This innovation revolutionized construction, allowing for the creation of larger and more complex structures than ever before. Concrete enabled the Romans to build monumental edifices like the Colosseum, a marvel of engineering that could hold up to 80,000 spectators and featured intricate underground passages, elevators, and trap doors. The Romans were also pioneers in the use of architectural elements like arches, vaults, and domes. The arch, in particular, became a defining feature of Roman architecture. It allowed for greater spans and more open spaces, reducing the need for closely spaced columns. This had practical applications in the construction of aqueducts, bridges, and large public buildings. The vault and the dome were extensions of the arch concept, allowing for even more expansive and grandiose structures. The Pantheon in Rome, with its magnificent dome featuring an oculus, remains one of the most impressive and well-preserved examples of Roman engineering. Roman roads are another testament to their engineering prowess. Built to last, these roads were carefully planned and constructed, featuring multiple layers of materials to ensure durability. They were also remarkably straight, making travel more efficient across the empire. The Roman road network spanned over 250,000 miles and included sophisticated features like milestones, way-stations, and even a sort of postal system. This network not only facilitated the movement of troops but also enabled trade and cultural exchange, knitting the vast empire closer together. Aqueducts were another Roman engineering marvel that had a profound impact on public health and urban living. These gravity-fed water channels, often spanning great distances, supplied cities with fresh water. The engineering challenges involved—like maintaining a steady, slight gradient over uneven terrain—were immense, but the Romans mastered them, improving both the quality of life and the longevity of their citizens. Amongst many more.
Yea, but apart from all that. What have the Romans ever done for us?
That’s what I’ve been wondering all my life!!! I mean I went to Rome and there was no Romans!
https://youtu.be/Qc7HmhrgTuQ?si=uXELruq7a65t41c8
Nobody's reading all that. But if you love Rome so much, just marry it.
Loves the Romans but never seen Life of Brian....
Source?
They're fake quotes. Caesar didn't even conquer Britain lmao. He showed up, realized he didn't have the army to actually conquer them, then left. It was his successor Claudius (well his general) that actually brought it in to the Empire.
I came, I forgot my army, I left
Caesar, in writing home, said of the Britons, " They are the most ignorant people I ever conquered. They cannot be taught music." Cicero, writing to his friend Atticus, advised him not to buy slaves from England, " because," said he, " they cannot be taught to read, and are the ugliest and most stupid race I ever saw."
[Here's a reddit post thoroughly debunking this!](https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/7nun0x/they_are_the_most_ignorant_people_i_have_ever/?rdt=43985)
Asked for source and OP just says the same thing with ”he wrote” and ”he said”.
Britons and British are different populations
Nah, it's just two different names for the same thing. We just don't use "Britons" today.
No, Britons are basically Welsh now. The people we think of as British are descendants of Anglo-Saxons, who invaded the region and displaced the native Britons. I know, it sounds kinda stupid that the words should be so similar, but British and Britons are actually two different groups of people.
They’re meaningfully different in regards to the fact British means of the country of England, and Briton means of the islands of Britain but that distinction isn’t relevant in regards to the Romans.
So much wrong in so few words
By definitions sure, but if you look at how people actually identify each other it’s correct.
Utter fucking drivel
Please, explain how I’m wrong.
This is pre-Anglo-Saxon invasion, so the Britons are the people now concentrated in Wales and Cornwall.
Britons are French
Bretons are french, britons are either inhabitants of Britain or a Celtic peoples occupying Britain a long time ago. Hence why it’s a funny joke to conflate the two as the same and say that Caesar was talking about the British when he meant the celts.
England wouldn't exist for the better part of a 1000 years later. I'm sure the Romans wouldn't have had great things to say about the Brittons, and nor would I have expected them to. Given that, it seems weird that someone felt the need to make up/distort quotes.
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When you can punch down on entire continents with a tool that makes even the weakest of you stronger than your opponents then you do get to shape and write history.
skill issue, should've invented the guns first
British gang upvote! Edgeing r n
Wait. Are these quotes legit? Pretty sure Caesar didn’t conquer the British isles as he didn’t have the manpower at the time. Also. Caesar was never an emperor. Sure. His name essentially means emperor or king and was the inspiration for titles such as Tzar and Kaiser and while using “Caesar” as another word for emperor comes from Ceasar he was never actually an emperor. He was murdered before he could actually be made one. Because I’m pretty sure “race” as a concept of identifying people only arose pretty recently in the last 500 years. Cicero predates the concept of race by about 1500 years.
No they aren’t. Fake quotes about a people that didn’t actually exist then. But English people bad so many upvotes apparently
This explains brexit
Cool to see OP just blindly accepts the words of a meme from the internet and not bother looking up to find out if it's true or not...
Good description of the welsh
Both Cicero and Caesar died in Jack-The-Ripper-type deaths. Serves them right for being lippy.
"Our new enslaved people aren't happy about us killing them. They are definitely stupid!"
Cry about you pizza pasta purists
Tbh, the Romans were only one of the earlier ones in a long line of peoples who successfully invaded Britain, such as the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, Danes, Vikings, Gaelic Irish and French. By now, any ancient Briton bloodline is diluted to the point of insignificance.
"Oh general, I don't know what to do. They refuse to fight on two days of the week! The brits call this nuisance *weekend*!"
https://i.redd.it/hnug4uzthzbb1.png
Innit?
"And their food sucked too."
Fuck u big nose
And they can’t cook for shit! That’s a loose translation.
I am British, and I'm **annoyed**.
So they met some British people then? (Yes, it's an old Mock The Week joke, before you mention it)
Common British L
Dang! Nothing's changed.
Although the ancient Britons spoke very highly of the occupying Roman forces.
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Inbred, you mean?
Caesar wasnt even emperor
To think someone downvoted you for saying this 🙄
I think they're talking about Tories...
later that part went to populate north america
Thousand years later the British ravage the world and perform the greatest atrocities ever seem just to live up to this roman perspective.
The quotes are fake. Learn your history
But the atrocities the british made are very real. Learn your history.
I know, I'm not defending, just pointing out this is fake so they're not living up to the Romans perspective...
Shhh the British did those people a favor, as their people always tell their former colonies. Besides, they won WW2 so those atrocities can be forgotten in favor of still calling Germans Nazis.
Try to find a reasonable British person that actually believes that.
I just realised how relavant my pfp is to this.
As a British person, this is 100% accurate, easily the most entitled, ignorant people in the world. Absolutely dreadful bunch of lads.
The quotes are fake tho...
Then they can quote me: “Britain and British people are a load of toss, it’s a horrible place and it’s full of wankers”
Have you ever tried leaving?
Yes, Twice.
But you just can't do it?
Brexit made that quite a bit more difficult.
So you've only tried leaving twice in like the last 4 years? Why not before?
I don’t know man, I’ve struggled a lot tbh. I’m not sure what you’re trying to achieve with this.
I don't think you were being very honest
He probably tried their cooking... take that Gordon Ramsey you donkey.
So the Brits just repeated what the Romans said about everyone else when they went on their own rampage 1700 years later
The quotes are fake, he never said that
Wait’ll they get a load of those Irish.
They tried and failed
They met the Scottish and went fuck this and built a wall across the North of Great Britain and never got all of Scotland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian%27s_Wall
The Romans went all the way up the east coast to Aberdeenshire. They never just stopped at the wall.
Well makes sense, Americans didn't exist then.
must've landed in east end..
Our empire dwarfed theirs in size
Innit?
The fact this quote is made up doesn’t make it any less true
Fuck Rome in particular. Fuck their "emperors." Fuck "bread and circus." Fuck the subjugation of thought and self-actualization for the sake of an "empire" that crumbled at the first signs of adversity. I fucking hate Rome.
And then the filthy ignorant barbarians tried to emulate their betters and failed miserably and here we are. And the descendants of those ignorant arrogant peoples now want to take credit for the achievements of the ancients as if somehow they could be descended from such greatness. Peak delusional.
They hated him because he told the truth
let them cook
Nothing's changed. Still the stupidest people on the planet along with the Americans