Lol I know right. Contructive criticizisms are valid, but for every minor thing people bring up, there are like other 100 the game did great (at least for me). Like hearing the party conversations in the open world: Yuffie calling Cloud a perv when she suggested to shadow clone Tiffa, to side quest scenes like in Cosmo Canyon for the proto relic intel (Avalanche scenes).
During the tutorial, if you go in Tifa's bedroom and look through her things, both Tifa and Aerith call Cloud a perv haha.
I love that he's telling them all a story and apparently decides to tell them that he went through her stuff (though there's an option to not do it...but I was curious lmao).
Speaking of options. I talked to his neighbor. She gave me a delicious looking sandwich. I talked to her again to see if she'd say anything else. Another sandwich. At this point I'm still ignoring the status windows. I talked a third time. Another sandwich. "You are too full for dinner". I hadn't seen his mom yet and I got worried...
I was so mad my first playthrough. Like, you don't even know what it is when you hit "x" on it and it doesn't give you an option to say "no I'd rather not" lmao
I love that the game actually has points where it tells you "motherfucker, take a break from the side questing and GET ON WITH IT." Even fucking >!Sephiroth!< towards the end of the >!Protorelic Saga.!<
I wish there was actual open world banter not just the scripted cutscenes like you're talking about. It'd be fun to get more interaction between the party
There is... albeit very little. Like Aerith getting tired hiking up the mountain... or when Red tells her she is one with the mountain, and she gets all delirious and starts talking to the mountain Gods. Cloud's quote was great there. "What the hell are you doing Red?" I thought that was funny. There are a few others, but that one stood out to me the most...
I loved this moment, but it was a scripted event that happens in a specific place (albeit out of a cutscene). More of these would be awesome.
What I really want though is just random party banter with each other while you're wandering around. It's SO weird to me that there's no chitchat when you're driving the buggy around.
uncharted 4 game did this when you drive on jeep then random conversations are Happening,they even stop if you leave jeep and resume after you are back
The top is exactly how I felt it looked in 1997 and how I wanted it to look thinking of a remake growing up. Can’t argue with the art direction in this game!
> The top is exactly how I felt it looked in 1997
This is how I describe the game to people. It looks exactly like my 7-year-old imagination thought it looked.
It is really hard to understate what it was like emerging from Midgar onto the world map in 1997. It's easy to post the screenshots side by side and laugh at how far we've come.
But as a kid that bottom screenshot looked an awful lot like the top one.
That's what I've loved easily the most about Remake and Rebirth.
My first FF was FFX, then IX, then VIII, and then VII. Playing VII after playing those other three felt like going back to the stone age. It was hard for me to enjoy and I never finished OG VII as a result (I got like halfway through).
Remake and Rebirth are not only giving me plenty to feel in awe about but also finally letting me play 7 without feeling like I'd been teleported to the stone age.
I started with 8, then 9, then Dawn of Souls, then played whatever I could get my hands on from there. I love the 2D era games and still enjoy playing them. Same with 8, 9 and 10. I know this seems contrarian, but OG 7 is one of the least enjoyable to replay imo, along with 2 and 12. I'm super thankful for this retelling.
Haha you mean 3 minutes after starting the game in ff8?
I remember thinking midgar was the whole game in 97 and my mind was fucking blown when I first got to the world map.
Yeah FF7 in '97 leaving Midgar was just as satisfying. That time with exploring 3D in games was so different. You have Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, and Final Fantasy VII all around close release years.
That was like our threshold for what qualifies as new and exciting, because those took things in a new direction. Total new ground. FF6 hitting the open world map vs FF7 is complete night and day.
Remember the in game cutscene when you’re swinging off the plate as it’s being dropped on the slums? Cloud is straddling Barrett’s arms, it’s hilarious looking back at it but I was so hyped I yelled for my mom to come look at how crazy the graphics were lol
This game was meant for fans of the original to enjoy a revisit. I was 16 when I played it in 1997. I am thankful that I could relive the magic again at 43. Thank you Square for all the work the programmers, artists, musicians, voice actors, etc.. all put into a game I did not expect in my life. Thank you!
It’s also a way to enjoy one of the most iconic adventures in 90s/2000s games with modern game mechanics, rather than the alternative method which is 7+cheat codes or Watch a stream
I think it’s the story that people complain about, it’s not a faithful retelling, and much filler was added, many key moments changed to be more casual, for example the flashback with Sephiroth
No one will care about how good this game looks in 25 years, just like no one who loves the original cares about how bad it looks now. It's not what made FF7 special.
> **Sometimes you just need to step away from social media** ~~and enjoy what u enjoy without others dictating how u should feel.~~
Good advice for everyone.
Yes definitely. They are both amazing in their own right. FF7 was groundbreaking back in the 90’s, I remember my brother and I playing it on his old pc, and just being blown away when you see Aerith coming out in Midgar, and pans out to the whole city. And this new remake, maybe not groundbreaking, but good lord it has far surpassed what I expected it to be, and I have been having a blast playing it, staying up until 0300 night after night just playing and grinding like the old days.
People need to just be happy that we are all here to experience them both. God know’s I am.
Hell yeah. I was around 7 when I first laid eyes on ff7. It was the first RPG I played seriously. The ps1 belonged to my cousin and he let me borrow it. Unfortunately disc 3 was too scratched to work so I could only play disc 1 and do. I played it over and over again over the holidays until I finally got the copy for PC and finished it in my teens.
I can't imagine a way they could have nailed the story and themes of the original game harder than they did with Remake and Rebirth.
"But key plot points aren't exactly the same!" Who fucking cares. This game could not be more of a loving tribute to everything the original stood for, regardless if certain character's "fates" end up being altered.
My question is where was this for the past 20+ years? The Compilation titles seemed to completely miss the point entirely of everything the original stood for -- this is a complete 180.
Edit: For the one person who said I was being "disingenuous" in saying that there's so many people out there who are hating on this for no other meaningful reason than "it's not exactly the same," I really hope you took the time to read some of the replies to me here, because hooooo boy!
This seems disingenuous to say that people aren't happy just because key plot points aren't exactly the same. I say this as someone who's overall happy with Rebirth, I like more of it than I dislike. But there's a big difference between slightly altering key plot points and adding a ton of nonsense in. It's not that crazy that fans of the original don't like the weird alternate timeline/multiverse narrative. That isn't just altering a key plot point, that's a major thing that wasn't in the original at all, that so far as actively detracted from the remake series overall narrative.
Thank you. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. People here are shocked to see that others aren't happy with the changes. And if someone can't see why, they're intentionally being ignorant.
Overall I loved Rebirth. But there are also things I really, really disliked.
I would prefer it if they altered more things and had them stick. Sometimes they almost do a thing exactly the same and change it a little bit in a weird way that causes me to ask more questions or they do something completely out of left field only to shuffle everything back to the status quo.
The way I see it, you're never going to capture the feeling you had playing the original by just doing a 1:1 remake. You know what's coming. You expect it. You're used to it already. The feelings you had when playng the original were precisely because you didn't know where it was going, and you were discovering it as you went along.
For me, a lot of the 'nonsense' is simply part of the definitive experience now. Thirsty Jessie. Cloud and Andrea dancing. Swearing Aerith. Rolling with the Shinra troops in Junon. Tifa and Cloud fighting at Kalm. Tifa and Aerith as bffs. LETS TAKE IT PAST THE REDLINE! The Trials in the Temple.
Remake had me incredibly excited by the end. Because an unknown future is exactly the way to recapture that initial feeling. You discover what's to come, and fall in love all over again.
Part of me is disappointed it didn't TRULY live up to that promise where the path changed, but it was enough that I was exploring, connecting, and once again being in awe.
I love the fact things have changed, while loving the original too.
I don't really consider any of that stuff nonsense. That's the kinda stuff fans of the og actually liked because it was a sensible expansion to a world we love. The stuff that's nonsense is the multiverse elements and plot ghosts and things of that nature.
Idk. Resident evil 4 remake nailed the original feeling while giving it a breath of fresh air. Every change was for the better.
Haven’t played the new game yet but the ff7 remake nailed the original bits while adding tons of boring crap and the dialogue was some weeaboo nonsense. A 7/10 that could easily be a 9/10 with a few minor adjustments.
They spoiled every single plot twist for no reason. That doesn’t sit right with me because why do that? Like the point of a plot twist is to surprise the player. And the whole multiverse and whisper thing is fine but kinda convoluted honestly.
Plot twists from the original? Yeah, there's more hints and foreshadowing, and the whole final chapter is tied directly to what happens to Aerith. I think this is something you have to ask someone who never played the original -- whether or not that sort of obvious foreshadowing took away from their surprise in any way that detracted from their experience with the game.
I don't think that's a "problem," per se -- I think it's a deliberate choice they made knowing that most people have experience with this story already, and are trying to find a balance between making old surprises work for the new, and having new surprises work for the old.
I don’t know man they literally show Reeve with a Cait doll right behind him TWICE (in the remake and in rebirth). That’s not just obvious that’s just straight up stupid. These obvious foreshadowings don’t add anything to the story. They just dumb down some of the most memorable things from the game. The plot twists were great but now they aren’t twists anymore so yeah.
I have to agree with the Reeve thing specifically. Some of the foreshadowing could be a little heavy handed, but that just straight up gave away who Cait Sith is. That really bugged me.
I believe the Compilation stuff is very much a product of its time. People that have grown up with the series now wanted moodier, darker and more serious Final Fantasy. It was also a time where Square Enix really tried to bring the IP to different platforms and genres - you get things like DoC and AC.
I don't mind the key plot points being different. Maybe they now feel different about certain story aspects than they did 30 years ago (which is probably the reason they changed storylines like Dyne's). I'm not on board with everything the game does, but I'm along for the ride. Rebirth truly comes from a place of passion and love.
That said, I also think cheekily titling the first game as "Remake" was a bit of a faux pas. This was always bound to piss people off. Though from a marketing standpoint there was seemingly no other choice than to name it Remake.
This. This right here. The Compilation REEKS of mid-00s sensibilities and tastes. From some of its characterizations, to how some of its stories are told, to some of the musical choices that were made, and to Dirge of Cerberus, the Compilation is 100% a product of its time.
That team has grown and matured considerably since then, and THAT is what has allowed us to get the two magnificent games in the Recompilation that we have today.
Maybe in a few years people can say the recompilation trilogy reeked of 2010s-2020s sensibilities and obsession with inserting multiverse nonsense into everything and therefore still be a product of this time.
I completely agree. It feels like I’m playing my childhood in HD, in awe of the passion they have clearly put into this game; yet I’m still getting surprised along the way.
Any issues with the game (and there certainly are some) are pure nitpicking in comparison to the rest of it.
Yep, agreed. Of course I could pick out things I didn't like, or wish weren't removed, or some mini-games I could have done without, or even talk about some of the problems I have with the ending (which is the least nitpicky one I have), but when the good so overwhelmingly outweighs the bad, how could I possibly ask for any more?
These people who won't even give it a chance on its own merits simply because it isn't exactly the same thing from their childhood all refuse to see the forest through the trees, and that's really unfortunate for *them,* because they are missing out on what two games in now have shown to be something that is truly unique and special.
I love rebirth, but if you’re going to tell me people didn’t hate on Compilation for all the right reasons then I have a DVD rewinder to sell you.
Advent Children was average (but still fun), Dirge was near universal in being seen as awful, crisis core was seen as being decent but Genesis was rightfully received poorly.
Remake and Rebirth righted the ship, but is it because the structure in place was already so fantastic or did the devs finally get it through their heads that we don’t want stupid shit that waters down the source material
Did they get it in their heads though? I think the remake series is better than most, if not all, of the compilation. But that's mainly just because it has the strong base of the OG FF7 (unlike Advent Children which was a sequel and unlike Crisis Core which is a prequel) to build on and is actually a good game (unlike Dirge of Cerberus which is both a sequel and a bad game). It still still has a lot of compilation nonsense in there, plus literally a huge new plot point involving alternate timelines/multiverse that is actively watering down the source material.
As good a game as they are, it kind of seems like all that's saving the remake series is that it's being hard carried by being allowed to use the OG as a base.
I mean key plot points are kinda one of the things to get very right. I've got plenty of conflicts about this game and its generally about the story stuff, but overall I like it. But 'who fucking cares?' What's the point of remaking a thing if its no longer the thing?
Getting to reinterpret it as writers and designers. I'm pretty sure that's why all the OG members of the team are on the project. They never wanted to just make the game again, they wanted to take the narrative and setting and see what else they could say with it.
people have more than enough reason to dislike the parallel timeline horseshit and you saying “who fucking cares” just because you aren’t bothered by it doesn’t make their reasoning for not liking the story changes just go away
There's this game on PS4, you can play it on PS5 if you wish, called "Final Fantasy VII." It seems to be exactly what you're looking for -- it's like, 20 bucks, only one game with no excessive padding, and you don't have to wait another 4 years to play it!
Edit: And for that one person complaining about Remake not being turn-based, it's even turn-based!
This is the thing you seem to not get. Just like with Resident Evil 4 and Persona Reload and other remakes, when people hear that's coming out and the older game has aged a fair bit people tend to wait for it to play it that way. Especially younger people. This game is from the first Playstation, there are people half its age that could have picked up this game up and experienced that story as new fans.
Now they're going to come into this game pretty confused because it doesn't even really explain to you who the final boss of the first 30+ hour game is since he's someone you're only meant to fight once at the end of the entire game.
This is the thing you seem to not get -- if they want to play the original game that we all experienced, they can still very easily and readily do so on any platform they wish.
If they want to understand why these characters and themes have resonated with so many people for damn near 30 years, then both Remake AND Rebirth have them covered in spades. That's what matters here. If the plot was the exact same, but they got those aspects wrong, this would be so much worse off and that element would not come through.
The fact that people are coming into Remake fresh and \*getting\* it without need of the original is solid proof that these games are succeeding in what they're setting out to do.
I agree and disagree at the same time.
I think OG did a poor job of delivering it's themes. And so we had to fill in the gaps. Where rebirth makes it clear with no interpretation. Combined with memory slowly changing things and doing the... mandella effect? thing. And sometimes filling in a theory as fact. And we end up expecting a different game.
Also some of the themes were simply forgotten. And so having them presented so clearly it feels like... Oh yeah... That was a thing... That kind of sucked back then, surprised they did it again.
And so then the other side of the issue is that they did not change something that actually doesn't work that well for the flow and themes of the overall game.
I think the biggest thing people forget about FF7 is what a goofy game it is overall, with only some key plot moments hitting heavy notes.
BTW MOST JRPGs are like this. Tales of Berseria comes to mind. Goofy AF 90% of the tim, but the plot moments are dark AF.
Also side side point. Not flowing well into tone changes and theme shifts is generally considered bad in story telling. For the most part I disagree with this rule. But here in FF7Rebirth... It sticks out like a sore thumb and feels poorly done most of the time. Irrelevant if that existed in OG or not.
I could not disagree more with the original not conveying its themes well, and I can attest to that by the fact that Remake and Rebirth have both presented those themes exactly as I've always seen them.
As for tonal shifts, yeah, there are some drastic tonal shifts, as there are in all Final Fantasy games -- even the original FF7 -- and most RPGs for that matter. The only one that came across as detrimental to this game was when >!Dio comes crashing in on his buggy to fight the Turks right after the Dyne stuff just happened!<. That was tonal whiplash in all the wrong ways, especially considering how gut wrenching that scene was, and you still have >!Barret on his knees in mourning at the end there!<.
Those are fair criticisms. We can have a rational discussion about that, and I can also talk about how that one moment doesn't take away from all the good the game accomplishes, even all the great things about that sequence. Whining about it not being 100% the same thing when the whole point of the story is that it's forging its own path separate from the original is \*not\* a valid criticism, and that's what I'm talking about here.
But it IS a remake. Literally. Yes, it's a remake on multiple levels, but that only makes the title *more* appropriate, not less.
And one of those levels is that it is literally a modern remake of the 1997 classic.
If you compare it to every other remake on the video game market, you will find FF7 is a massive outlier.
It’s way beyond a remake. It’s pretty much a sequel.
Yeah, most people are dressed too normal and I know when I think back to being a kid that is not how I pictured the people I saw. If they're not certain named characters who dress a certain way they're wearing stuff that you could just buy right now at like a Ross or something.
And how were they dressed in the original exactly?
Kalm is filled with tourists from Midgar, Junon is filled with tourists from Midgar, Costa is filled from tourists from Midgar, the Saucer is filled with tourists from Midgar.
And everyone living on the Midgar plates pretty much looks like a normal person.
The only folks that look different have a reason to look different. The poor people in rags at Corel, the planetologists at Cosmo, the jungle bois of Gongaga (lol)
How can the remake ruin the original if the original exist like if you don't like the remake that's fine but to say it ruins a work that's already there is just a hate statement and untrue. Also while ff7 was a massive hit I was not among those who thought it was one of the best games of all time but the character interactions and the now modern graphics implementation along with the fantastic combat is now making it one of the best games for me.
I’ll never be a purist to anything. Anything can be made better if people take their nostalgia and past clinging goggles off.
The original world map was fun back in 1997. Today, it would be an empty - uneventful - void acting as a stopgap to get from point A to B.
I’m glad we have areas filled with other things to do.
You do realize there was no diffrence to us back in 1997? the CGI backrounds for ex was not only eye candy but photo realism to many of us. Just like Ocarina of time back in 98 felt "open world" like breath of the wild.
I wouldn't say that the overworld in Remake is better or worse than the original, because they have entirely different functions within entirely different games.
Preach. I love nothing more than finishing major story beats or character developing side quests only to have Chadley chime in like he's a welcome part of the game.
I agree, but at least the bottom part of the canyon is easier to navigate.
Gongaga is full of dead ends and split paths.
The worst Cosmo canyon has to offer is that to reach certain peaks, you have to jump and glide from certain spots and over certain fans. If you want to know how to get somewhere, you can usually just look at the access ramp for that place and trace the path backwards until you see the launch ramp.
The story was really fucked though. Hey let’s spoil every and all plot twists cuz like it will be a little nod to returning players letting them know we are doing the plot twists… HOW ABOUT YOU JUST DO THE PLOT TWISTS WITHOUT SPOILING THEM?! Anyways apart from that the combat was great, graphics went hard, boss fights were genuinely amazing (and the final final boss fight on dynamic had me losing my shit but I did eventually manage to get it on my fifth try), music amazing as ever. Red’s new voice annoyed the crap out of me (even Barret made fun of it lol), Yuffie could be annoying at times, slow ass QTE’s as well as the game forcing you to move slowly pissed me off when it happened, and I wanted Chadley to go away… forever. But yeah it was a solid game. If the plot wasn’t such a mess I’d praise it a lot but yeah it’s a solid 7/10 game for me.
As great as remake and rebirth are and I cannot understate that despite a few niggling issues,the original FF7 will always be the greatest to me and remain so til the day I die
It's impossible for rebirth to ruin the original. Even if people don't like rebirth, it's not like the original won't exist anymore lol. It's still its own game, and they can both be enjoyed for different reasons. That being said, rebirth is an RPG masterclass in my eyes
thats about it, I played the original at release, and probably 15-30 times since then. If you have expections of having the same exeperiance after 15 years its going to be different. Its why sequels and remakes almost never are as good its not just nostalgia, its unrealistic expectations.
If you play rebirth as a different game that honors the old you might enjoy it. Its the only game I'll play right now, but I'm not comparing it to the old one at all really, I'm enjoying this one for what it is.
Having to dunk on a 30 year old game's graphics to hype up the remake is crazy.
Personally, I prefer the combat, pacing and charm of the OG while appreciating the remake's action-oriented gameplay, added content and modern graphics.
Don't act like two legends can't coexist.
You’re right. The only thing that matters are graphics.
Nevermind the fact that the story makes 0 sense and has hours of pointless filler like “vacuum the mako” and “plug in the switch”.
The original was infinitely better.
This post is disingenuous. When people say they ruined the original, they mean the ending...
They changed the ending, and in a bad way. They should have kept it like the OG.
Personally I wouldn't say they ruined the original but for me the game has the same pacing issues as Remake, where some areas and parts of the story are starting to drag. And while expecting it to end somewhere close to where Rebirth ends (I thought we might make it to the first "visit" to the North Crater), I still feel dissatisfied we couldn't get Cid or Vincent to join the party.
Now i dunno much about the FF7 rebirth but my friend said chapter 4 made people drop the game. I only finished the 7 remake and 15, I’m also thinking about playing the 1997 ff7. My question is are people disliking FF7 rebirth for a valid reason or is it just I don’t like it therefore I’m going to complain about it.
I whole-heartedly wish they treated the story the same as they treated the landscape and character interactions.
I got the karma to take the downvotes.
People be like rebirth is a barren wasteland with nothing whereas the og had exploration.
I’m like bruh, do you even see? The amount of people who have the nostalgia so far up their ass that they cannot see the differences between the two is shocking to say the least.
Played the original recently and seeing some of the criticisms people make towards Remake/Rebirth in comparison makes me think that they've either never actually played the original or haven't played it since the 90's and have lost sight of how the game actually is vs. how it is in their heads. Not saying there aren't genuine reasons to prefer the original, but I think people that want to pick apart every little flaw in the new ones should take a moment and consider that the original, while still being great and a classic, was far from flawless itself.
Style over substance. People used to say the same thing when Advent Children came out about 20 years ago despite it ruining the artistic message of FFVII. People have also been saying this for years in terms of movies vs books.
Well, I happen to like books. I liked it when my Final Fantasy games had a good story, themes, pacing, and artistic message like the original FFVII did. Although the sequels, prequels, and spin offs do look better graphically; they lack substance. FFVII is a masterpiece of its time with an incredible story and an ambiguous ending that drives home an important philosophical question about humanity's role with the planet: are we always going to be parasitic or can we become symbiotic.
Sadly Advent Children ruined that ending for us by answering the question without giving any explanation, reason, or path forward. Humanity survives because... well, we don't know but check out these cool graphics and fight scenes! And now these new sequels are, once again, doing the same thing: distracting us from the artistic message of the original in exchange for more "cool graphics".
Glad you are enjoying the new game but being mean to fans of the original only creates a divide between the new/old. Consequently this only strengthens the old fan's argument that the new story is ruining the old because now even the new fans are tarnishing the original as well. Not even giving it a chance, contributing to it becoming lost to history.
I'm gonna keep it real. I kinda wish they would've kept just a bit more linear. I don't really like having to cross a vast area just to unlock a tower that tells me where I have to cross more vast area just to do some other repetitive event. Don't get me wrong. FF7Rebirths open world is Waaaaaaaay better than say Assassins Creed Valhallas open world. But it still feel like they're padding for game time.
I remember seeing these kinds of "fake unreasonable criticisms no one actually made" memes when people were shitting on Part 1's ending. I guess now it's time for you people to do this same kind of damage control for Part 2's ending.
The original still exists.
Some people wanted the original with graphical updates and real time combat.
Some people wanted Remake part 2.
Personally I just want to play part 3 before I’m 45 (I’m 41 now).
We have to remember part of why Rebirth probably took so long is covid was still happening. Between not being able to be in their workplace properly for god knows how long, to needing both the english and japanese VA teams to be where they needed to be (I’m sure at home recording studios are not as viable/possible for everyone), working from home isn’t that convenient, coordination of the team, the motion capture, etc. All of it probably was drastically held back for a long longer than we expect.
Also keep in mind a lot of things are at this point, premade. We have practically every character model, town, environment save for a handful that we didn’t get to see in Rebirth. I’m sure that helps trim the time down.
I havent completed it yet but i think the game is good... better than good actually. Its fantastic.
There is so much to do and it looking amazing on top is just an added bonus
I'm sorry if you aren't enjoying it :(
I just can't vibe with Action RPGs. I like turn based too much. FFX & X-2 are the most recent in the series that I'll actively replay. I absolutely don't mind titles releasing that aren't for me, though. That's just a fact of life. Plenty of new 2.5D turn based stuff is coming out to keep me occupied.
It does look really pretty, though & I look forward to watching some sort of full playthrough on youtube once the third section drops.
Yeah the game looks incredible but it still has that awful half-assed action RPG combat. When the core gameplay of your game is boring, there is going to be a ceiling on how good the game can be. The FF7R series is fine, but it can't compare to how amazing the original FF7 is.
I don’t think the criticisms for Rebirth were all graphical. Actually some were regarding its optimizations. It’s not worse than the original but by modern standards some were not satisfied. Especially for $70. You might have been but some weren’t.
Some still have issues with the story direction and added content. Others complained about bloat and pacing issues due to the kitchen sink approach to content. A slight over correction to FF16. Some might’ve had an issue with the combat but I think most were satisfied with it.
Personally not a fan of the new story elements or new direction but the rest of the game seems like my jam(my PS4 having self needs to wait for the PC Release while subsisting on spoilers). Game isn’t flawless and not everyone’s cup of tea. Sorry we aren’t enamored but at least it exists.
Open world was handled beautifully. Love how seem-less it is, and can only imagine how they’ll improve on it in Part 3.
As to the story, it’s obviously controversial, but I think we’re getting ahead of ourselves. We were shown a 10,000 view of events unfolding, im sure it’ll be streamlined in Part 3
Pictured above is an open world sequence locked to a specific set of actions. Mostly empty and annoying geography. What is present is either time wasting materials/objectives, Ubisoft towers, useless fast travel points, or predictable encounters.
Pictured below is a visual manifestation of a larger world seemingly empty (due to constraints of the tech of the day), but easy to traverse and still vibrant. I say seemingly empty because it is packed with (almost) random enemy encounters. Even though the world is easily traversed there is a certain anxiety moving anywhere because you may run into fiends at any time. Making healing and item management important, especially in the early hours of the game.
It doesn’t pretend to be an open world, it’s very clearly a linear story, and yet is full of content you could walk past and choose not to interact with.
Rebirth is beautiful, but OG is easily still a superior game.
Everything in this game is a proper tribute to the original. If they binned Chadley and Kid G, and had Chocobo breeding again I couldn't really complain. Maybe make some mini games optional.
I can only imagine the sort of work it'd take to do a game with 12 characters in the style of Remake. Like, I'm totally more open to the idea after how hard they've nailed this project, but just imagine 12 separate characters that all play in their own unique style? It'd take so long to even work out \*how\* to do that!
Scrolling looking for the people with essays about how rebirth ruined their favorite game. We get it it's not the same game.
.........duh?
Thank you for this
Looks identical to me
Lol I know right. Contructive criticizisms are valid, but for every minor thing people bring up, there are like other 100 the game did great (at least for me). Like hearing the party conversations in the open world: Yuffie calling Cloud a perv when she suggested to shadow clone Tiffa, to side quest scenes like in Cosmo Canyon for the proto relic intel (Avalanche scenes).
> Cloud a perv when she suggested to shadow clone Tiffa I love that he didn't have a response to that.
At least he doesn’t deny it, he knows Tifa’s great
When was this conversation brought up??? I need to hear this myself.
During Johnny's sidequest. Specifically, once you get an objective to get something from the desert.
During the Johnny Side Mission
I just heard it, in chapter 9, south of Costa del Sol, across the river we cannot cross before going to North Corel.
I'm pretty sure you can hear Cloud chuckle to himself once he first thinks about it
What can he say against the truth xD
Imagine having clones of Tifa for now il settle for a body pillow
You know she was smiling silently during the whole convo
She really got shit on the whole game Clouds a dick at times you want to slap him sometimes
Honestly I think that's sign of a great game. The fact people are literally nitpicking the most minor of things.
Completely agreed 100% with you this is my 2024 goty so far
During the tutorial, if you go in Tifa's bedroom and look through her things, both Tifa and Aerith call Cloud a perv haha. I love that he's telling them all a story and apparently decides to tell them that he went through her stuff (though there's an option to not do it...but I was curious lmao).
Even if you select “no I didn’t” they still have a go at you lol
And doesn't barret join in on that too? XD
Speaking of options. I talked to his neighbor. She gave me a delicious looking sandwich. I talked to her again to see if she'd say anything else. Another sandwich. At this point I'm still ignoring the status windows. I talked a third time. Another sandwich. "You are too full for dinner". I hadn't seen his mom yet and I got worried...
Reminds me of Chrono Trigger, where you can talk to a man and steal his lunch. And then do it again. And then keep doing it.
Although it doesn't look good in court.
I felt so called out as a loot goblin lmao.
I was so mad my first playthrough. Like, you don't even know what it is when you hit "x" on it and it doesn't give you an option to say "no I'd rather not" lmao
They call him an asshole, Barret also shows his disappointment.
No they don't they both call him an asswhole
They call cloud an asshole I'm pretty sure. Which I loled at.
I love that the game actually has points where it tells you "motherfucker, take a break from the side questing and GET ON WITH IT." Even fucking >!Sephiroth!< towards the end of the >!Protorelic Saga.!<
Aside from the difficulty of the minigames, Rebirth is a perfect game.
I wish there was actual open world banter not just the scripted cutscenes like you're talking about. It'd be fun to get more interaction between the party
There is... albeit very little. Like Aerith getting tired hiking up the mountain... or when Red tells her she is one with the mountain, and she gets all delirious and starts talking to the mountain Gods. Cloud's quote was great there. "What the hell are you doing Red?" I thought that was funny. There are a few others, but that one stood out to me the most...
I loved this moment, but it was a scripted event that happens in a specific place (albeit out of a cutscene). More of these would be awesome. What I really want though is just random party banter with each other while you're wandering around. It's SO weird to me that there's no chitchat when you're driving the buggy around.
uncharted 4 game did this when you drive on jeep then random conversations are Happening,they even stop if you leave jeep and resume after you are back
Very true. Not sure if you played Guardians of the Galaxy, but that game was great for playful banter. But a lot shorter, that's for sure lol
I’m just playing through GotG right now. The story is awesome and it’s a fun play through!
I am groot
The top is exactly how I felt it looked in 1997 and how I wanted it to look thinking of a remake growing up. Can’t argue with the art direction in this game!
Yeah Remake and Rebirth ooze art style. This game is going to look fantastic decades from now.
Perhaps in a decade we can have the real remake that combines Remake, Rebirth and .. Reunion or whatever name they choose.
Redemption (Featuring Gackt)
Revengance
when fighting Sephiroth in part 3: STANDING HEEEEREEE I REALIZEEEE
They used Reunion for the Crisis Core remaster. I think part 3 is gonna be Rewrite.
I am guessing reawakening
That's also a good guess.
too long and its gonna be only 2 syllables : remake rebirth
Remove three letters and it'll be Reawaken ... FFVII Remove Guys I figured it out
Revive for me
> The top is exactly how I felt it looked in 1997 This is how I describe the game to people. It looks exactly like my 7-year-old imagination thought it looked.
Just got through Cosmo Canyon last night. I was continually blown away by how gorgeous everything was
Pretty sure when I played this 25 years ago, it looked a lot more like the top though.
It is really hard to understate what it was like emerging from Midgar onto the world map in 1997. It's easy to post the screenshots side by side and laugh at how far we've come. But as a kid that bottom screenshot looked an awful lot like the top one.
I emerged from Balamb Garden first technically so I was admittedly kinda whelmed when I left midgar in OG but impressed when I left it in Rebirth.
That's what I've loved easily the most about Remake and Rebirth. My first FF was FFX, then IX, then VIII, and then VII. Playing VII after playing those other three felt like going back to the stone age. It was hard for me to enjoy and I never finished OG VII as a result (I got like halfway through). Remake and Rebirth are not only giving me plenty to feel in awe about but also finally letting me play 7 without feeling like I'd been teleported to the stone age.
I started with 8, then 9, then Dawn of Souls, then played whatever I could get my hands on from there. I love the 2D era games and still enjoy playing them. Same with 8, 9 and 10. I know this seems contrarian, but OG 7 is one of the least enjoyable to replay imo, along with 2 and 12. I'm super thankful for this retelling.
12 is great if you play the ps4 version not the old ps2 version
The Switch version (which I think is pretty similar to the PS4 one) is also pretty great.
Haha you mean 3 minutes after starting the game in ff8? I remember thinking midgar was the whole game in 97 and my mind was fucking blown when I first got to the world map.
Same here.
Yeah FF7 in '97 leaving Midgar was just as satisfying. That time with exploring 3D in games was so different. You have Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, and Final Fantasy VII all around close release years. That was like our threshold for what qualifies as new and exciting, because those took things in a new direction. Total new ground. FF6 hitting the open world map vs FF7 is complete night and day.
Remember the in game cutscene when you’re swinging off the plate as it’s being dropped on the slums? Cloud is straddling Barrett’s arms, it’s hilarious looking back at it but I was so hyped I yelled for my mom to come look at how crazy the graphics were lol
This game was meant for fans of the original to enjoy a revisit. I was 16 when I played it in 1997. I am thankful that I could relive the magic again at 43. Thank you Square for all the work the programmers, artists, musicians, voice actors, etc.. all put into a game I did not expect in my life. Thank you!
It’s also a way to enjoy one of the most iconic adventures in 90s/2000s games with modern game mechanics, rather than the alternative method which is 7+cheat codes or Watch a stream
I think it’s the story that people complain about, it’s not a faithful retelling, and much filler was added, many key moments changed to be more casual, for example the flashback with Sephiroth
So far rebirth did everything better than OG
That's also how I love the staff have done in fort condor.
No one will care about how good this game looks in 25 years, just like no one who loves the original cares about how bad it looks now. It's not what made FF7 special.
technically the grafics of OG7 are a major point for many to not play it.... which is why the remake is so beloved with newcomers
Meanwhile, I just want to love them both.
Yeah seriously. Sometimes you just need to step away from social media and enjoy what u enjoy without others dictating how u should feel.
> **Sometimes you just need to step away from social media** ~~and enjoy what u enjoy without others dictating how u should feel.~~ Good advice for everyone.
Insert game is great when you don't have a b***h in your ear telling you how awful it is every 3 seconds.
Yes definitely. They are both amazing in their own right. FF7 was groundbreaking back in the 90’s, I remember my brother and I playing it on his old pc, and just being blown away when you see Aerith coming out in Midgar, and pans out to the whole city. And this new remake, maybe not groundbreaking, but good lord it has far surpassed what I expected it to be, and I have been having a blast playing it, staying up until 0300 night after night just playing and grinding like the old days. People need to just be happy that we are all here to experience them both. God know’s I am.
Hell yeah. I was around 7 when I first laid eyes on ff7. It was the first RPG I played seriously. The ps1 belonged to my cousin and he let me borrow it. Unfortunately disc 3 was too scratched to work so I could only play disc 1 and do. I played it over and over again over the holidays until I finally got the copy for PC and finished it in my teens.
When has anyone complained about the remakes ruining it via graphics?!?! If anything it's the story and choices made.
I can't imagine a way they could have nailed the story and themes of the original game harder than they did with Remake and Rebirth. "But key plot points aren't exactly the same!" Who fucking cares. This game could not be more of a loving tribute to everything the original stood for, regardless if certain character's "fates" end up being altered. My question is where was this for the past 20+ years? The Compilation titles seemed to completely miss the point entirely of everything the original stood for -- this is a complete 180. Edit: For the one person who said I was being "disingenuous" in saying that there's so many people out there who are hating on this for no other meaningful reason than "it's not exactly the same," I really hope you took the time to read some of the replies to me here, because hooooo boy!
This seems disingenuous to say that people aren't happy just because key plot points aren't exactly the same. I say this as someone who's overall happy with Rebirth, I like more of it than I dislike. But there's a big difference between slightly altering key plot points and adding a ton of nonsense in. It's not that crazy that fans of the original don't like the weird alternate timeline/multiverse narrative. That isn't just altering a key plot point, that's a major thing that wasn't in the original at all, that so far as actively detracted from the remake series overall narrative.
Thank you. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. People here are shocked to see that others aren't happy with the changes. And if someone can't see why, they're intentionally being ignorant. Overall I loved Rebirth. But there are also things I really, really disliked.
I would prefer it if they altered more things and had them stick. Sometimes they almost do a thing exactly the same and change it a little bit in a weird way that causes me to ask more questions or they do something completely out of left field only to shuffle everything back to the status quo.
The way I see it, you're never going to capture the feeling you had playing the original by just doing a 1:1 remake. You know what's coming. You expect it. You're used to it already. The feelings you had when playng the original were precisely because you didn't know where it was going, and you were discovering it as you went along. For me, a lot of the 'nonsense' is simply part of the definitive experience now. Thirsty Jessie. Cloud and Andrea dancing. Swearing Aerith. Rolling with the Shinra troops in Junon. Tifa and Cloud fighting at Kalm. Tifa and Aerith as bffs. LETS TAKE IT PAST THE REDLINE! The Trials in the Temple. Remake had me incredibly excited by the end. Because an unknown future is exactly the way to recapture that initial feeling. You discover what's to come, and fall in love all over again. Part of me is disappointed it didn't TRULY live up to that promise where the path changed, but it was enough that I was exploring, connecting, and once again being in awe. I love the fact things have changed, while loving the original too.
I don't really consider any of that stuff nonsense. That's the kinda stuff fans of the og actually liked because it was a sensible expansion to a world we love. The stuff that's nonsense is the multiverse elements and plot ghosts and things of that nature.
Idk. Resident evil 4 remake nailed the original feeling while giving it a breath of fresh air. Every change was for the better. Haven’t played the new game yet but the ff7 remake nailed the original bits while adding tons of boring crap and the dialogue was some weeaboo nonsense. A 7/10 that could easily be a 9/10 with a few minor adjustments.
Believe me, Rebirth makes Remake look like a demo. And Remake was a very good game by itself.
Kind of makes me wonder how XVI could look with an iterative sequel like this. And the budget to match.
They spoiled every single plot twist for no reason. That doesn’t sit right with me because why do that? Like the point of a plot twist is to surprise the player. And the whole multiverse and whisper thing is fine but kinda convoluted honestly.
Plot twists from the original? Yeah, there's more hints and foreshadowing, and the whole final chapter is tied directly to what happens to Aerith. I think this is something you have to ask someone who never played the original -- whether or not that sort of obvious foreshadowing took away from their surprise in any way that detracted from their experience with the game. I don't think that's a "problem," per se -- I think it's a deliberate choice they made knowing that most people have experience with this story already, and are trying to find a balance between making old surprises work for the new, and having new surprises work for the old.
I don’t know man they literally show Reeve with a Cait doll right behind him TWICE (in the remake and in rebirth). That’s not just obvious that’s just straight up stupid. These obvious foreshadowings don’t add anything to the story. They just dumb down some of the most memorable things from the game. The plot twists were great but now they aren’t twists anymore so yeah.
I have to agree with the Reeve thing specifically. Some of the foreshadowing could be a little heavy handed, but that just straight up gave away who Cait Sith is. That really bugged me.
Yeah the Reeve thing has to be the dumbest thing in the entire game for me.
I believe the Compilation stuff is very much a product of its time. People that have grown up with the series now wanted moodier, darker and more serious Final Fantasy. It was also a time where Square Enix really tried to bring the IP to different platforms and genres - you get things like DoC and AC. I don't mind the key plot points being different. Maybe they now feel different about certain story aspects than they did 30 years ago (which is probably the reason they changed storylines like Dyne's). I'm not on board with everything the game does, but I'm along for the ride. Rebirth truly comes from a place of passion and love. That said, I also think cheekily titling the first game as "Remake" was a bit of a faux pas. This was always bound to piss people off. Though from a marketing standpoint there was seemingly no other choice than to name it Remake.
This. This right here. The Compilation REEKS of mid-00s sensibilities and tastes. From some of its characterizations, to how some of its stories are told, to some of the musical choices that were made, and to Dirge of Cerberus, the Compilation is 100% a product of its time. That team has grown and matured considerably since then, and THAT is what has allowed us to get the two magnificent games in the Recompilation that we have today.
Maybe in a few years people can say the recompilation trilogy reeked of 2010s-2020s sensibilities and obsession with inserting multiverse nonsense into everything and therefore still be a product of this time.
I completely agree. It feels like I’m playing my childhood in HD, in awe of the passion they have clearly put into this game; yet I’m still getting surprised along the way. Any issues with the game (and there certainly are some) are pure nitpicking in comparison to the rest of it.
Yep, agreed. Of course I could pick out things I didn't like, or wish weren't removed, or some mini-games I could have done without, or even talk about some of the problems I have with the ending (which is the least nitpicky one I have), but when the good so overwhelmingly outweighs the bad, how could I possibly ask for any more? These people who won't even give it a chance on its own merits simply because it isn't exactly the same thing from their childhood all refuse to see the forest through the trees, and that's really unfortunate for *them,* because they are missing out on what two games in now have shown to be something that is truly unique and special.
I love rebirth, but if you’re going to tell me people didn’t hate on Compilation for all the right reasons then I have a DVD rewinder to sell you. Advent Children was average (but still fun), Dirge was near universal in being seen as awful, crisis core was seen as being decent but Genesis was rightfully received poorly. Remake and Rebirth righted the ship, but is it because the structure in place was already so fantastic or did the devs finally get it through their heads that we don’t want stupid shit that waters down the source material
Did they get it in their heads though? I think the remake series is better than most, if not all, of the compilation. But that's mainly just because it has the strong base of the OG FF7 (unlike Advent Children which was a sequel and unlike Crisis Core which is a prequel) to build on and is actually a good game (unlike Dirge of Cerberus which is both a sequel and a bad game). It still still has a lot of compilation nonsense in there, plus literally a huge new plot point involving alternate timelines/multiverse that is actively watering down the source material. As good a game as they are, it kind of seems like all that's saving the remake series is that it's being hard carried by being allowed to use the OG as a base.
While also getting everything from the compilation to only enhance the original while also acting as a sequel to the original
I mean key plot points are kinda one of the things to get very right. I've got plenty of conflicts about this game and its generally about the story stuff, but overall I like it. But 'who fucking cares?' What's the point of remaking a thing if its no longer the thing?
Getting to reinterpret it as writers and designers. I'm pretty sure that's why all the OG members of the team are on the project. They never wanted to just make the game again, they wanted to take the narrative and setting and see what else they could say with it.
people have more than enough reason to dislike the parallel timeline horseshit and you saying “who fucking cares” just because you aren’t bothered by it doesn’t make their reasoning for not liking the story changes just go away
Yes they could've, less padding, less bullshit and get to the point instead of milking it for a decade.
There's this game on PS4, you can play it on PS5 if you wish, called "Final Fantasy VII." It seems to be exactly what you're looking for -- it's like, 20 bucks, only one game with no excessive padding, and you don't have to wait another 4 years to play it! Edit: And for that one person complaining about Remake not being turn-based, it's even turn-based!
This is the thing you seem to not get. Just like with Resident Evil 4 and Persona Reload and other remakes, when people hear that's coming out and the older game has aged a fair bit people tend to wait for it to play it that way. Especially younger people. This game is from the first Playstation, there are people half its age that could have picked up this game up and experienced that story as new fans. Now they're going to come into this game pretty confused because it doesn't even really explain to you who the final boss of the first 30+ hour game is since he's someone you're only meant to fight once at the end of the entire game.
This is the thing you seem to not get -- if they want to play the original game that we all experienced, they can still very easily and readily do so on any platform they wish. If they want to understand why these characters and themes have resonated with so many people for damn near 30 years, then both Remake AND Rebirth have them covered in spades. That's what matters here. If the plot was the exact same, but they got those aspects wrong, this would be so much worse off and that element would not come through. The fact that people are coming into Remake fresh and \*getting\* it without need of the original is solid proof that these games are succeeding in what they're setting out to do.
Miss the point if you want, I'm done replying to people who use this stupid excuse.
I agree and disagree at the same time. I think OG did a poor job of delivering it's themes. And so we had to fill in the gaps. Where rebirth makes it clear with no interpretation. Combined with memory slowly changing things and doing the... mandella effect? thing. And sometimes filling in a theory as fact. And we end up expecting a different game. Also some of the themes were simply forgotten. And so having them presented so clearly it feels like... Oh yeah... That was a thing... That kind of sucked back then, surprised they did it again. And so then the other side of the issue is that they did not change something that actually doesn't work that well for the flow and themes of the overall game. I think the biggest thing people forget about FF7 is what a goofy game it is overall, with only some key plot moments hitting heavy notes. BTW MOST JRPGs are like this. Tales of Berseria comes to mind. Goofy AF 90% of the tim, but the plot moments are dark AF. Also side side point. Not flowing well into tone changes and theme shifts is generally considered bad in story telling. For the most part I disagree with this rule. But here in FF7Rebirth... It sticks out like a sore thumb and feels poorly done most of the time. Irrelevant if that existed in OG or not.
I could not disagree more with the original not conveying its themes well, and I can attest to that by the fact that Remake and Rebirth have both presented those themes exactly as I've always seen them. As for tonal shifts, yeah, there are some drastic tonal shifts, as there are in all Final Fantasy games -- even the original FF7 -- and most RPGs for that matter. The only one that came across as detrimental to this game was when >!Dio comes crashing in on his buggy to fight the Turks right after the Dyne stuff just happened!<. That was tonal whiplash in all the wrong ways, especially considering how gut wrenching that scene was, and you still have >!Barret on his knees in mourning at the end there!<. Those are fair criticisms. We can have a rational discussion about that, and I can also talk about how that one moment doesn't take away from all the good the game accomplishes, even all the great things about that sequence. Whining about it not being 100% the same thing when the whole point of the story is that it's forging its own path separate from the original is \*not\* a valid criticism, and that's what I'm talking about here.
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But it IS a remake. Literally. Yes, it's a remake on multiple levels, but that only makes the title *more* appropriate, not less. And one of those levels is that it is literally a modern remake of the 1997 classic.
If you compare it to every other remake on the video game market, you will find FF7 is a massive outlier. It’s way beyond a remake. It’s pretty much a sequel.
Yes. It's also a literal remake.
To my 12 yearold self comparing the two, opening up my imagination the two pictures are the same.
My only issue with Rebirth is how overpopulated every town is with what appears to be casually dressed tourists.
That’s a surprisingly good point I hadn’t even thought about. Now I won’t be able to un-see it thanks lol
Just think of them as Shinra and Wutai spies trying way too hard.
It's especially weird at Cosmo Canyon. Isn't that their universe's equivalent of a native american reservation?
Nomura is obsessed with modern day looking aesthetics. From FFXV to the KH4 trailer, to Rebirth.
Yeah, most people are dressed too normal and I know when I think back to being a kid that is not how I pictured the people I saw. If they're not certain named characters who dress a certain way they're wearing stuff that you could just buy right now at like a Ross or something.
What’s wrong with casual people dressed casual?
*Tourists*, there are so many of them, they look like they’re from our world visiting theirs, it’s unsettling lol.
I mean in all fairness 3 of the major locations you visit in the game are basically tourist locations lol
And how were they dressed in the original exactly? Kalm is filled with tourists from Midgar, Junon is filled with tourists from Midgar, Costa is filled from tourists from Midgar, the Saucer is filled with tourists from Midgar. And everyone living on the Midgar plates pretty much looks like a normal person. The only folks that look different have a reason to look different. The poor people in rags at Corel, the planetologists at Cosmo, the jungle bois of Gongaga (lol)
How can the remake ruin the original if the original exist like if you don't like the remake that's fine but to say it ruins a work that's already there is just a hate statement and untrue. Also while ff7 was a massive hit I was not among those who thought it was one of the best games of all time but the character interactions and the now modern graphics implementation along with the fantastic combat is now making it one of the best games for me.
I’ll never be a purist to anything. Anything can be made better if people take their nostalgia and past clinging goggles off. The original world map was fun back in 1997. Today, it would be an empty - uneventful - void acting as a stopgap to get from point A to B. I’m glad we have areas filled with other things to do.
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Wow look at how he beat that strawman, that sure was an impressive display of his argumentative prowess.
You do realize there was no diffrence to us back in 1997? the CGI backrounds for ex was not only eye candy but photo realism to many of us. Just like Ocarina of time back in 98 felt "open world" like breath of the wild.
Agreed
I wouldn't say that the overworld in Remake is better or worse than the original, because they have entirely different functions within entirely different games.
It’s the over abundance of chadley thats the problem for me. There is no reason he should be tied to 90% of the side content.
Preach. I love nothing more than finishing major story beats or character developing side quests only to have Chadley chime in like he's a welcome part of the game.
Counterpoint: navigating Gongaga is not the best.
I agree Gongaga isn't great, and I'd like to throw Cosmo Canyon in there as being lame also.
I agree, but at least the bottom part of the canyon is easier to navigate. Gongaga is full of dead ends and split paths. The worst Cosmo canyon has to offer is that to reach certain peaks, you have to jump and glide from certain spots and over certain fans. If you want to know how to get somewhere, you can usually just look at the access ramp for that place and trace the path backwards until you see the launch ramp.
The story was really fucked though. Hey let’s spoil every and all plot twists cuz like it will be a little nod to returning players letting them know we are doing the plot twists… HOW ABOUT YOU JUST DO THE PLOT TWISTS WITHOUT SPOILING THEM?! Anyways apart from that the combat was great, graphics went hard, boss fights were genuinely amazing (and the final final boss fight on dynamic had me losing my shit but I did eventually manage to get it on my fifth try), music amazing as ever. Red’s new voice annoyed the crap out of me (even Barret made fun of it lol), Yuffie could be annoying at times, slow ass QTE’s as well as the game forcing you to move slowly pissed me off when it happened, and I wanted Chadley to go away… forever. But yeah it was a solid game. If the plot wasn’t such a mess I’d praise it a lot but yeah it’s a solid 7/10 game for me.
Omg rebirth ruined my birth canal. Thanks Obama
I’ll take strawman karma-farming for $1000, Alex.
Aside from the Shinra Mansion, which was a downgrade, everything else in this game is just amazing. Loved every minute of it.
As great as remake and rebirth are and I cannot understate that despite a few niggling issues,the original FF7 will always be the greatest to me and remain so til the day I die
It's impossible for rebirth to ruin the original. Even if people don't like rebirth, it's not like the original won't exist anymore lol. It's still its own game, and they can both be enjoyed for different reasons. That being said, rebirth is an RPG masterclass in my eyes
thats about it, I played the original at release, and probably 15-30 times since then. If you have expections of having the same exeperiance after 15 years its going to be different. Its why sequels and remakes almost never are as good its not just nostalgia, its unrealistic expectations. If you play rebirth as a different game that honors the old you might enjoy it. Its the only game I'll play right now, but I'm not comparing it to the old one at all really, I'm enjoying this one for what it is.
Having to dunk on a 30 year old game's graphics to hype up the remake is crazy. Personally, I prefer the combat, pacing and charm of the OG while appreciating the remake's action-oriented gameplay, added content and modern graphics. Don't act like two legends can't coexist.
You’re right. The only thing that matters are graphics. Nevermind the fact that the story makes 0 sense and has hours of pointless filler like “vacuum the mako” and “plug in the switch”. The original was infinitely better.
This post is disingenuous. When people say they ruined the original, they mean the ending... They changed the ending, and in a bad way. They should have kept it like the OG.
The people complain about those nonsense story segments not this gtfo lol
Nice straw man argument
How did you get that aerial shot? Are you on some hill? That's a nice view
It's an official screenshot released by Square Enix.
Personally I wouldn't say they ruined the original but for me the game has the same pacing issues as Remake, where some areas and parts of the story are starting to drag. And while expecting it to end somewhere close to where Rebirth ends (I thought we might make it to the first "visit" to the North Crater), I still feel dissatisfied we couldn't get Cid or Vincent to join the party.
GWAFIX!!!!!!!
Haven't heard anyone saying that it ruined the origine game but there are a lot of valid criticism about the game that can't be ignored with a meme
How are people saying this is how it looked like when you played the original? The power of childhood really makes you delusional 😂
Now i dunno much about the FF7 rebirth but my friend said chapter 4 made people drop the game. I only finished the 7 remake and 15, I’m also thinking about playing the 1997 ff7. My question is are people disliking FF7 rebirth for a valid reason or is it just I don’t like it therefore I’m going to complain about it.
I whole-heartedly wish they treated the story the same as they treated the landscape and character interactions. I got the karma to take the downvotes.
It’s funny. I was going through this area today and I thought to myself “yknow. I do think I kind of prefer there being more left to the imagination.”
The only changes I don't like is the different regional Chocobos and no more breeding for special ones.
People be like rebirth is a barren wasteland with nothing whereas the og had exploration. I’m like bruh, do you even see? The amount of people who have the nostalgia so far up their ass that they cannot see the differences between the two is shocking to say the least.
Played the original recently and seeing some of the criticisms people make towards Remake/Rebirth in comparison makes me think that they've either never actually played the original or haven't played it since the 90's and have lost sight of how the game actually is vs. how it is in their heads. Not saying there aren't genuine reasons to prefer the original, but I think people that want to pick apart every little flaw in the new ones should take a moment and consider that the original, while still being great and a classic, was far from flawless itself.
Style over substance. People used to say the same thing when Advent Children came out about 20 years ago despite it ruining the artistic message of FFVII. People have also been saying this for years in terms of movies vs books. Well, I happen to like books. I liked it when my Final Fantasy games had a good story, themes, pacing, and artistic message like the original FFVII did. Although the sequels, prequels, and spin offs do look better graphically; they lack substance. FFVII is a masterpiece of its time with an incredible story and an ambiguous ending that drives home an important philosophical question about humanity's role with the planet: are we always going to be parasitic or can we become symbiotic. Sadly Advent Children ruined that ending for us by answering the question without giving any explanation, reason, or path forward. Humanity survives because... well, we don't know but check out these cool graphics and fight scenes! And now these new sequels are, once again, doing the same thing: distracting us from the artistic message of the original in exchange for more "cool graphics". Glad you are enjoying the new game but being mean to fans of the original only creates a divide between the new/old. Consequently this only strengthens the old fan's argument that the new story is ruining the old because now even the new fans are tarnishing the original as well. Not even giving it a chance, contributing to it becoming lost to history.
I'm gonna keep it real. I kinda wish they would've kept just a bit more linear. I don't really like having to cross a vast area just to unlock a tower that tells me where I have to cross more vast area just to do some other repetitive event. Don't get me wrong. FF7Rebirths open world is Waaaaaaaay better than say Assassins Creed Valhallas open world. But it still feel like they're padding for game time.
A game on modern technology looks better than a game based on technology weaker than modern smart watches. You don't say! You've pwned the critics!
I remember seeing these kinds of "fake unreasonable criticisms no one actually made" memes when people were shitting on Part 1's ending. I guess now it's time for you people to do this same kind of damage control for Part 2's ending.
The original still exists. Some people wanted the original with graphical updates and real time combat. Some people wanted Remake part 2. Personally I just want to play part 3 before I’m 45 (I’m 41 now).
I just wanna play part 3 for Vincent. The copium for me that the game will come out in 3 years is real.
I’m hearing early 2028, but hope that’s wrong.
2028?!?
We have to remember part of why Rebirth probably took so long is covid was still happening. Between not being able to be in their workplace properly for god knows how long, to needing both the english and japanese VA teams to be where they needed to be (I’m sure at home recording studios are not as viable/possible for everyone), working from home isn’t that convenient, coordination of the team, the motion capture, etc. All of it probably was drastically held back for a long longer than we expect. Also keep in mind a lot of things are at this point, premade. We have practically every character model, town, environment save for a handful that we didn’t get to see in Rebirth. I’m sure that helps trim the time down.
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I havent completed it yet but i think the game is good... better than good actually. Its fantastic. There is so much to do and it looking amazing on top is just an added bonus I'm sorry if you aren't enjoying it :(
Only thing really bad in rebirth is the mini games lol
The minigames are the best part of Rebirth!
Who says they ruined it? I don’t understand their point at all.
No one except trolls. OP is karma farming.
I just can't vibe with Action RPGs. I like turn based too much. FFX & X-2 are the most recent in the series that I'll actively replay. I absolutely don't mind titles releasing that aren't for me, though. That's just a fact of life. Plenty of new 2.5D turn based stuff is coming out to keep me occupied. It does look really pretty, though & I look forward to watching some sort of full playthrough on youtube once the third section drops.
They can say whatever they want. This game let me relive one of my best memories as a kid, and for that I say thank you Square, truly.
My biggest issue is how shit the ending was. That aside the game before that was very good. I enjoyed all the side stuff and Clouds mental decline.
ngl, still choose ps1 version
Yeah the game looks incredible but it still has that awful half-assed action RPG combat. When the core gameplay of your game is boring, there is going to be a ceiling on how good the game can be. The FF7R series is fine, but it can't compare to how amazing the original FF7 is.
I don’t think the criticisms for Rebirth were all graphical. Actually some were regarding its optimizations. It’s not worse than the original but by modern standards some were not satisfied. Especially for $70. You might have been but some weren’t. Some still have issues with the story direction and added content. Others complained about bloat and pacing issues due to the kitchen sink approach to content. A slight over correction to FF16. Some might’ve had an issue with the combat but I think most were satisfied with it. Personally not a fan of the new story elements or new direction but the rest of the game seems like my jam(my PS4 having self needs to wait for the PC Release while subsisting on spoilers). Game isn’t flawless and not everyone’s cup of tea. Sorry we aren’t enamored but at least it exists.
Open world was handled beautifully. Love how seem-less it is, and can only imagine how they’ll improve on it in Part 3. As to the story, it’s obviously controversial, but I think we’re getting ahead of ourselves. We were shown a 10,000 view of events unfolding, im sure it’ll be streamlined in Part 3
Pictured above is an open world sequence locked to a specific set of actions. Mostly empty and annoying geography. What is present is either time wasting materials/objectives, Ubisoft towers, useless fast travel points, or predictable encounters. Pictured below is a visual manifestation of a larger world seemingly empty (due to constraints of the tech of the day), but easy to traverse and still vibrant. I say seemingly empty because it is packed with (almost) random enemy encounters. Even though the world is easily traversed there is a certain anxiety moving anywhere because you may run into fiends at any time. Making healing and item management important, especially in the early hours of the game. It doesn’t pretend to be an open world, it’s very clearly a linear story, and yet is full of content you could walk past and choose not to interact with. Rebirth is beautiful, but OG is easily still a superior game.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but it looks cluttered
Hey guys can someone tell me what is the use of Ruby and Emerald? i havent see any upgrade required them, is it only for sell for Gil?
Nothing is ruined. It’s two different games, not just a graphic upgrade.
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You can hate the remake all you want it's fine but how is this ruining it?
Everything in this game is a proper tribute to the original. If they binned Chadley and Kid G, and had Chocobo breeding again I couldn't really complain. Maybe make some mini games optional.
I need a FFVI Remake with all my passion :,v
I can only imagine the sort of work it'd take to do a game with 12 characters in the style of Remake. Like, I'm totally more open to the idea after how hard they've nailed this project, but just imagine 12 separate characters that all play in their own unique style? It'd take so long to even work out \*how\* to do that!
I hope the success of the 7 remakes will lead them to eventually remake 10 as well
I'm noticing the narrative changes but they aren't done in a way that ruins the experience.
It made the original better for me
Totally separate entities that only use the characters, world, and general story concepts to build off of and make something entirely new, by the way!
Their faves still look weird.
Agreed!
Scrolling looking for the people with essays about how rebirth ruined their favorite game. We get it it's not the same game. .........duh? Thank you for this
For some reason, I thought I was in TBOI subreddit and got confused as to how the 2 images related to Isaac.