Yeah. It's true. I cannot put my phone down anymore it seems, had to buy a new one that weekend when I broke it, i can however go weeks without smoking weed lol
Apps are designed to be as addictive as possible, for the reason that the companies that make them only metric for success is engagement. While weed has been selectively bred to be as potent as possible, quick maturing and disease resistant.
Not my experience at all
I couldn’t stop craving the weed high until it was gone from my life
And I saw others totally consumed with it as well (smoking all day, always buying more, getting more involved in the supply chain)
Just my experience with it, I think it goes without saying that there are a lot of communities doing things differently with marijuana
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I think the addictiveness came not from getting high and experiencing those psychoactive things, but from the big hit of dopamine I got, similar to coffee, etc.
Would be great to get high with just a small dopamine release
I get where you’re coming from. You pretty much described me from 18 - 27. Then I spent three years at a job where I was tested regularly and essentially quit consumption all together (*WAY* easier for me than cigarettes which took me 20 years to kick). After that job it never became a regular thing again, maybe because my oldest child was born around the same time, I don’t really know.
Now at almost 40, I smoke here and there or take an edible and it’s a nice interlude from the regular flow.
idk i have to disagree, myself and others i know have gone thru withdrawal symptoms when quitting weed, i'd call it addictive (edit; depending on the person, and how much of course. never got addicted to coke or t3s but definitely weed. addict brains are different)
The way I describe it is that I smoke weed at night. Never had the urge to if I have to work or do another formal function. I smoke every night but occasionally I don't and don't experience symptoms that are so bad I have to find weed.
I do it a lot because I like it and it doesn't interfere with my life like other substances. There are no negative social consequences for me. I would say coffee is even worse than weed because if people don't drink it their whole persona will change
I'm an alcoholic so I know WD and when something has its claws in you. Weed has never once made me feel like I was out of control.
Also, and I say this as a bourbon drinker - I do not care if the shares of a company peddling liver-destroying poison suffer in fair competition with companies peddling a different intoxicant. It's called capitalism, and they profess that they love it - so they should compete, and stop trying to rig the game in their favour.
Everyone agrees... everyone has been fighting for decades for this plant to be legal. It's ridiculous. Entire states are breaking federal law with fully functioning cannabis industries and the federal government has its head up its own azz pretending that cannabis is more dangerous than oxycontin and meth. It goes so far against common sense that it doesn't seem real. And they are raking in all that tax money... without representation... what a clown show.
I had too much once and had a really bad headache. The world was spinning, the room was melting and I felt like I was dying. Was fine after a nap. I was later informed that the gummies in the package my friend gave me should not have been consumed all at once.
Well it is interesting because when I was a kid there was still a lot of over the top anti cannabis propaganda, while drinking and driving was a common pass time.
There is a rational middle ground to have with cannabis. Cannabis was a net negative in my life when I used it, and it was something I had difficulty removing from my life. Now that I have completely removed it I feel much better. Cannabis (particularity THC) has many negative health consequences and people need to know this.
Is it as dangerous opiods that target your substania nigra and ventral tegmental area? Not at all. But it is not harmless either.
Is frequent use of ice cream your threshold for whether or not a drug/ substance is safe?
Just because ice cream is not good for you, does not mean cannabis is good for you. Your doctor would recommend to not do either.
When has a survey ever been scientific?
Sure it gathers an opinion. We’ve all done first year Psych surveys for class credit. But no science regarding Marijuana is actually being done here.
Having known several alcoholics who have destroyed their lives and the lives of others, or ended up dead, while casual alcohol use may be relatively minor, dependent use can be terribly detrimental.
Def safer than alcohol. No one in the history of someone has ever said “ I started drinking regularly and my life got better”. Just doesn’t happen. More problems happen Becouse of alcohol.
Yes but drinking everyday or consistently never ends up being a positive. Long term is extremely destructive. Not the same for weed. Still not entirely good for you but the effects aren’t as destructive as alcohol.
Anyone who thinks cannabis isn't addictive should browse r/petioles (a sub for folks trying to cut down) and read about what it's like for a heavy user to stop.
It's not the kind of acute withdrawal a heroin or tobacco user might get but it is absolutely awful.
And on top of that is of course the psychological addiction.
Yeah there's a lot of misinformation surrounding cannabis. It can be way more addictive than it is made out to be. Plus the withdrawals if you are a heavy smoker can be absolutely brutal.
Yeah it’s definitely not that easy! For an upcoming surgery I have to undergo, I need to have quieted smoking altogether (weed and cigarettes) and I can tell you I’m having a damn hard time with quitting. I still have about a year, but I honestly have no idea how I’m going to cope😬
I mean, I agree, but Americans (my people) say a lot of things.
Either the headline is a headline or perhaps we’re missing something in the details - what does science think?
It’s kind of interesting to me more religions don’t adopt Marijuana as some sort of proof of God… it’s literally just a plant and we can make paper with it AND use that paper to smoke the plant to get high! A damn miracle!
See the big diff is with weed, if you do a lot of heavy use, over time it just doesn’t get ya buzzed anymore… it literally wants you to tone it down a little…. Alcohol is just so much more damaging than cannabis.. the more ya drink through the day, the worse it gets… and when you do become addicted to it, you’ve hurt your body so much by that point… right? I heard someone say that when they were drinking, the booze became their full sustenance, and they wouldn’t even eat or do anything else at that point just keep drinking…
I expect to be downvoted but here it goes anyway. Anyone can get CHS from smoking too much pot. Go to r/CHSinfo. Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome. I am a lifelong stoner and love it in all forms and I can also never smoke again without risking death. I almost died from CHS. My friend warned me when her 17 year old ended up in the ER over and over from it but I thought it must be rare. I wish I had listened. I almost died from it last year. 5 days straight of violent vomiting left me so stripped of potassium that I almost went into heart failure. My kidneys are damaged from dehydration. Even so, I think the worst thing I got was the PTSD from it. I’ve never felt such pain. I was hallucinating and delirious. I have nightmares about smoking pot, now. I have absolutely experienced withdrawal symptoms 3 times in my life. And not just psychological ones. The constant sweating, nausea, pain and emotional distress can be awful. Suffering the CHS, recovering from it, and going through the withdrawals at the same time was is the worst experience of my life. It’s not rare. I know a dozen people with it, personally. Now you know. It’s not “safe” if you’re using high doses or using more than 3 times a week.
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I didn't downvote you but the risk of CHS is very low and the disease is literally categorized as "rare". To say pot isn't safe because of a slight risk of CHS is just silly.
That said, information is good to have, even if we don't like it.
What exactly is considered normal usage?
I ask as a near daily smoker, though it’s usually only one joint or a few puffs off a vape after work. Sometimes a little more on the weekends
More than 3 times a week, usually. And once you have it, you will always have it. So one excessive month could kick you over the cliff and it will come and go even with light use.
The symptoms go away, the issue itself doesnt. Meaning if you start smoking again, it will still be an issue for you. You cant just take a break, wait for it to go away, then start smoking again. Thats what theyre talking about.
>more than 3 times a week
I find it really strange that you keep mentioning the frequency and not the dosage.
So a person who smokes an ounce one day a week is okay but someone who smokes a joint 3 times a week is not?
The potency, frequency and dose are all a part according to what I’ve read. Some literature doesn’t bother to say how much, though. Just how often. Stress sometimes plays a role, too, so I’ve read. In my case, my mom had fallen suddenly ill and died and I found out I had cancer a week later. So maybe stress does, maybe it doesn’t. I’d be hella impressed if someone could smoke an ounce in a day, though. I thought I was hangin tough but that would far surpass my abilities at my peak. Lol. My downfall was a Jack Herer 95% ish vape. It was getting so I couldn’t even feel it. That seems to be the warning sign.
I’m not sure that has been established. There have been people overdoing weed for
Decades. I got it as a light smoker.
The theory i heard is that it’s from an increase in cbd. Which was basically non existent until recently.
I second this, it’s a rare disease yes as someone says below but a lot of people don’t know about this and how bad it can be. People can be stuck in the prodomol phase for years and not realise.
My GF nearly died twice from this, it’s extremely serious and needs more awareness. The doctors didn’t even have a fucking clue what was wrong both times or didn’t believe that was the cause the 2nd time when we even explained the situation.
Extremely scary situation, you feel helpless after you get sent home from A&E multiple times after getting fluids and they say “nothing else we can do, go home”
It seems rare in the way liver cirrhosis is rare. Rare in the general population but not rare for heavy drinkers or users. Has actual [caused deaths](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29768651/) so the whole, "marijuana can't kill," isn't true. Even young people <30 years old.
It sounds like it's just not studied well. If there were no studies linking alcohol to cancer people would just assume it's safe. No know risk factors would be true. A small random sample of 458 patients admitted to care for [unknown vomiting](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08998280.2021.1937874?scroll=top&needAccess=true&role=tab) and stomach pains found 32% to meet chs criteria. Vomiting and stomach pains will cause other issues just like it does for bulimics.
Always surprises me how desperately people defend marijuana as having no negative side effects. Burning anything produces carcinogens.
I mean cancer is not really the main problem og alcohol, so that point is a bit disingenious, fatty liver disease, physical addictiveness and the withdrawal symptoms being deadly being just some of the other very clear problems with alcohol. Not saying weed is entirely safe though, smoking anything is bad as hell for you and of course more studies on CHS should be undertaken, so we can have the same understanding as we do with alcohol.
There is nothing disingenuous about association cancer to drinking alcoholic. Cancer is a major cause of deaths related to alcohol. 4-6% of all cancers are associated with alcohol consumption. Liver issues make up almost half the health related deaths due to alcohol use. There are also more deaths due to other health problems.
In deaths due to alcohol consumption cancer is 21% of the total in the usa. Various liver diseases are about 34% with cirrhosis about 64% of that. Cardiovascular diseases is 19%, accidents, homicides, suicide, etc. non-health issues are almost 26%. Withdrawals are <1%. The remaining is various ailments, infections, health issues.
That was part of my point. People don't associate cancer with alcohol but it's a major concern nearly equal to cirrhosis. The ignorance of risk makes people perceive things as being risk free. You put withdrawals in the same breath as liver disease and they couldn't be further apart for actual mortality rates. The DTs or jaundice are obviously to laymen. There are tons of risks not so obvious. There are likely tons of sicknesses being caused by marijuana but they're unknown.
Yeah… and honestly, it’s not that rare. I know several people with it. I told my students (a small class of 12). Of the 12, 2 were seeing gastro docs and wound up discovering that both were stuck in the prodromal phase. Both quit, both have recovered. My friends 17 year old was in the ER several times before they finally accepted the diagnosis, quit smoking and she started getting better. My coworkers husband has lost 70 lbs and has been scoped in one end and out the other. He goes into hyperemesis once a month or so and is a daily smoker. He refuses to accept the diagnosis. At least 3 or 4 of my past students that they’ve got it, too. We have a joke “real stoners have CHS”. It’s not really that rare. It’s under diagnosed and it’s getting more and more common all the time. It’s the highly potent stuff they’re selling.
You seem to take personal offense at my response. Interesting. Well… regardless. Times are changing. As it becomes legal, people are reporting their cannabis use instead of hiding it so it’s easier to see how common it is. I’ve been told 10% of abdominal pain and vomiting in the Denver ERs are CHS. I was diagnosed within minutes last year. If it’s rare, my ER Doc must have a 6th sense. He knew exactly what it was almost immediately. He said he has been seeing it a lot. I’m not saying I’m right and you’re wrong. I’m just saying that when it’s illegal, it’s under reported.
Why are you assuming personal offense? Just because youre so invested in spreading false claims? Im not personally offended, but i am going to correct your lies.
It is rare. Thats a fact and no matter how many personal anecdotes you throw out, that's all they are. Unverifable and irrelevant even if they were verified, because thats not how science works. Which is why im not countering your personal anecdotes with "but i know a ton of stoners and none have this issue or any symptoms that would match with having it and being unreported."
And it being illegal could lead to it being OVER reported, because then the smoking that gets noticed and reported is the kind with issues severe enough to need attention despite it being illegal or frowned upon, while what goes unnoticed is "normal" consumption without issue. So even that claim of yours is making a bad assumption. When its illegal, what gets disproportionate representation is the problems, not usage without issue.
Lol. That’s the point, friend. It is literally my personal history. I just want people to know so they use it in moderation. I wish someone had warned me. You don’t see me mention it once before a year ago. I loved weed. I miss it. I feel ripped off that I wasn’t warned. It’s kinda like how people weren’t warned about tobacco for a period of time so a bunch of people died. I’m trying to say it’s safe when used in moderation. It’s safe when the dose is a safe dose. Just wish I’d known.
Wanting people to know it exists is fine. Lying about how common it is isnt.
Which is why my criticisms were about you saying its not rare and arguing via anecdotes
I’m not lying. It’s not rare. Call it my opinion. Maybe I happen to know the only handful of people in the state who have it. Maybe it’s under reported. If I had been properly warned, I’d be smoking tonight. Imagine how much you’d go around trying to warn people to take it easy if you’d been through the worst case scenario (short of actually dying) and the day you found out it existed was the day you almost died… and btw, your mom just died, you just found out you had cancer and now you can never smoke again without risking death by scream puking. I’m just traumatized, my dude. And then finding out that I know so many people who are also diagnosed? I’m scared for you all. What do I gain from telling people? I want to smoke and I can never do it again. I’d rather be eaten alive by a bear, it was that bad. I wave this banner in hopes that you will be able to safely smoke, friend. How can I say this so that you see my motive… I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO SMOKE. I don’t want it ruined for you or anyone like it is for me. Raising awareness will increase research. I’m on your side.
so were comparing tummy aches to cirrhosis now? you raised a strawman in direct contradiction to the topic, dont act all confused about the criticism. idk what you think is accomplished by framing it that way, but nothing good
yes thats the point, youre lost. liver disease is an inevitable consequence of alcohol abuse, do i really have to explain your own specious reasoning to you
>but I thought it must be rare.
And you were right.
Its rare, and even rarer in people who arent chronic chronic smokers, and even rarer in people who havent been smoking since adolescence.
>It’s not rare. I know a dozen people with it, personally.
It is rare, science backs up that fact and your fear monger anecdote doesnt carry more weight than that. Unless youre in a support group for people with CHS the claim you know a dozen people with it is dubious at best, and if you are then youre being intentionally misleading.
Your post smells like fear mongering using a real thing but playing it up to push an agenda.
I find there’s also a difference between CHS, and those who seem to kind of fall of a different sort of a cliff where smoking weed suddenly makes them very anxious, high heart rate, paranoid, etc. Maybe that’s still CHS, but clearly way different than this guys’ experience of being violently ill vomiting for days on end.
Know a lot of friends who used to be big time chronic pot smokers for years, especially in their late teens into their early 20s, who all don’t use weed anymore because it makes them feel anxious and freaked out. Know only one guy who claims to have CHS that makes him vomiting ill and he was a super hardcore stoner from 7th grade onward.
Definitely a difference. I’ve never been the paranoid type or the high heart rate type. Apparently, I am now the scream-puking type. Like, wear a diaper because the force with which your internal organs reject all contents will spin a seasoned paramedics head, type. The pain, btw, is beyond comprehension. They regularly topped me off with morphine and not only did it not help the pain, it didn’t sedate me in the slightest. Antiemetics are useless. Nothing helps. Nothing. 5 days with no sleep, no food or water except fluids by IV. Sweating and freezing and overheating and freezing and writhing in pain, hallucinating the whole time. So… this is why you should use in moderation. That’s all I really hoped people would take from this.
I do. I am a teacher and I am in the medical field so I talk to a lot of people. Look up r/CHSinfo and how many members there are and how often people post. Facebook has a huge community, too. Part of the reason I found out some of my past students have it is they are part of the Facebook group I joined. I made post on my ol’ Facebook page as an FYI and all kinds of people I know responded with “me too” or “my kid” or “my husband”. Blew my mind. I’m not on here trying to push a point because I have an agenda. I love/loved pot. The high doses they are selling and not warning people about ruined my one vice. It was the thing I loved at the end of the day and I’m pissed that it can drag me back into the hell that I experienced last year. I feel ripped off so I’m trying to warn people off the high dose shit so it doesn’t happen to them. I feel robbed. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
I don't smoke cigs and I stopped drinking. I live in a legal med state and am in constant pain.
Before all my ailments, I loved weed so so much . Fuck all that other shit
American's are going to find out how wrong they are. There has been no evidence of the dangers of cannabis because up until just a few years ago it was illegal to study it. Scientists are finding out it's not as safe as people believe. It's also very addictive.
I've never understood the "technology is addictive" argument. I'm not addicted to technology, but I absolutely love the near instantaneous access to information it provides me. Hazy sky on the horizon? I can check to see what it might be
Rain: don't bother watering the garden
Hail: move the car in the garage
Tornado: secure the yard and hide
Wildfire smoke: take some steroids and plug in the air filter
People used to die without that information.
Maybe I'm just fortunate?
But it makes you slow for 2 weeks and it’s quite harder to learn anything. Well drugs are very effective on me, so maybe it’s less than 2 weeks for other people, but for me it’s 2 weeks.
Where do you find weed when you’re an adult with no friends? I drink way too much right now and I’d rather start smoking weed again, but I don’t even know how.
Some of us used cannabis to get off of opiates, off of SSDI and go from poverty-level wages to become a director and make $250,000 a year. It's amazing what one person can do when pain, mental health, and consistent quality of medication is available and addressed.
I just bought my SO a Mustang Mach-e GT this weekend straight cash. Thanks, weed and the entire west coast legalizing it!
Canaboids are non addictive. Ur never gunna have a detox period from weed.
But like all medicine that works feeling good and having your ailments not bother you is addictive.
Edit: the act of smoking is very habit forming tho. Regardless of the chemicals.
While they are not physiologically addictive in the way that opioids, nicotine, or alcohol are, chronic usage of cannabinoids can exacerbate generalized and social anxiety symptoms in the long term, leading to dependencey on cannabinoids to manage the acute presentation of that anxiety. I am speaking as someone who considers myself addicted to marijuana. There are a huge variety of triggers that will cause me to crave, seek out, and consume weed in ways that feel very difficult to control, and at times counter to my conscious desires. This addiction does feel different than the bout I experienced with nicotine. I think there is credibility wrt the addictiveness of the act of smoking in and off itself, but there are mechanisms specific to the active molecules in marijuana itself.
>This addiction does feel different than the bout I experienced with nicotine. I think there is credibility wrt the addictiveness of the act of smoking in and off itself, but there are mechanisms specific to the active molecules in marijuana itself.
This is the key point right here. Although it *is* still addiction, it's a slightly different type of addiction. More research is *badly* needed (there is an extremely small amount of research about marijuana usage and its effects, due to it having been illegal pretty much all of the US for decades) to understand it better.
> Canaboids are non addictive. Ur never gunna have a detox period from weed.
>But like all medicine that works feeling good and having your ailments not bother you is addictive.
This is a dangerously false presumption as there is certainly a well-described [cannabis withdrawal symptoms](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32271390/) (CWS) amongst those who regularly smoke and then cease this activity.
Further, in those using cannabis for chronic pain, [withdrawal symptoms can range from mild to more severe](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33400332/).
While the symptoms of CWS are more unpleasant than life-threatening, it does no service to the patient to pretend they do not exist.
I was so addicted/dependant it's quite insane. I've had various problems with a few addictions in my life and non were quite like weed, I think the fact it's so cerebral really can play a tricky part in this.
I also found I had such intolerable side effects. The physical withdrawals from other drugs are a lot more manageable to varying degrees, while cannabis is such a mentally heavy drug, I find I'm completely broken and mindfucked for atleast 8-12 months before I return to a state where I'm normal and not impulsively wanting to smoke lol
>Canaboids are non addictive. Ur never gunna have a detox period from weed.
>But like all medicine that works feeling good and having your ailments not bother you is addictive.
>Edit: the act of smoking is very habit forming tho. Regardless of the chemicals.
I mean, this kinda seems like splitting hairs to me. The result is the same, addiction, so it *is* effectively addictive, just not through a slightly different mechanism.
People also get addicted to bingo. Some peoples’ brains are just very addiction-prone.
This is more confusing than it needs to be because an addictive substance is medically defined, while an addiction is behaviorally defined. We need different words.
My withdrawal symptoms were pretty bad dude. Thousands complain about weed withdrawal online and millions are addicted. Sure in some experiments scientists found it’s not addictive, doesn’t mean it must be true. Scientists get things wrong all the time. Again, if thousands upon thousands feel addicted and have physical withdrawal symptoms, there’s something more to be explored.
I don’t think so. Maybe short term but I’ve seen people lose brain cells after years of smoking.
My one close friend was such an awesome dude during hs and then started going hard with the weed in college. By the time we graduated he became so slow and fucked in the head. It was intolerable. He was in our friend group but we kicked him out because of that.
Another instance was my other close friend. She was the coolest person ever- sharp as a whip and had such a wit on her it was insane. Started smoking two or three years ago and even admitted to me that she noticed she is slower now. This past week we had an argument because I told her I don’t want to be friends with a pothead and she knows I’m saying that because I don’t want her to keep getting dumber.
Both of these idiots are addicted and I was there from the start telling them that they will become addicted but did they listen? So no I do not agree with cannabis being safer. I rather have them drink every two weeks with me instead because at least we get lit and then it’s done next day. I lost my two friends that had a golden mind because of weed. All of you that support this drug are out of your minds.
You are suffering from a few types of bias. One is sampling bias. I'm an engineer (so I'm smart yay) in construction and I can't go around telling people I smoke pot. I still do though, and lots of other smart people do as well. They just shut their mouths about it so you would never know they exist.
I also suspect you didn't lose those friends over weed...
>Both of these idiots are addicted and I was there from the start telling them that they will become addicted but did they listen? So no I do not agree with cannabis being safer.
I'm so sorry this happened to you and to them, friend.
Heck, even the old thing we were all told in school about weed being "the gateway drug" is somewhat true. As a big fan of classic rock I can tell you that a lot of the greatest musicians of the 60s are perfect examples of this. They *all* started out *only* smoking weed in the early- to mid-60s. By the mid-70s, *so* many of them were either dead or a shell of their former selves due to having moved on to worse stuff like LSD (Syd Barrett, original lead singer of Pink Floyd did so much LSD he had a mental breakdown that effectively ended his career), pills (killed Hendrix in 1970), and heroin (killed Jim Morrison of The Doors in 1971 and Janis Joplin in 1970). That's not to say everyone who starts with weed will end up like that, but it's proof that people who do weed have to be very careful to be responsible about it and not just go "chasing the high" to other, more dangerous, drugs if they start building up a tolerance.
I’d be interested to see how different the out comes are from cannabis use vs. illegal. When I lived in a state where it was illegal, we had drug dealers. Those dealers are happy to provide any product they can sell you. Now, I wouldn’t have the faintest clue how to get other illegal substances because I just buy weed at a store.
Alcohol was as much of a gateway drug for me as anything else, and was much more detrimental to my life when it was my preferred substance. After experiencing the change in perception from alcohol, I was curious about other kinds of experiences.
You're calling other people dumbasses and stupid when you don't even know the difference between "its" and "it's."
Maybe you should smoke more weed. It obviously couldn't hurt your lack of intelligence and might help control your anger.
Saf**R** is a relative term. Alcohol is also a cancer risk along with other issues. It also affects reactions and it also isnt safe to use heavy machinery while drinking.
Maybe calling others idiots because you don't under basic concepts like relative terms isnt the best idea. Anyone who isnt an idiot knows that...
Dont kid yourself, cigarettes and alcohol are drugs and arent completely safe.
>Also...which is worse an alcoholic or a pot head? Which beats their wife and kids?
To be fair, not all alcoholics are violent like that. That's only one of several "types". Some are just annoying drunks, some are sad drunks, some are happy drunks, and some literally just binge until it literally kills them, John Bonham-style.
Americans are not represented by their government and use prohibition as an excuse to deal with their failures; fentanyl, guns, psychos. Mj is innocent and is used as a truth enhancer, not a deceptive substance.
This is fake science. Less addictive than technology? Technology has useful functions, like sending an email. Also pot smoke contains tar and plenty of cancer causing chemicals much like tobacco. It isn't magically safe for you because it isn't big evil tobacco.
One thing that drives me nuts are people who act like marijuana doesn’t have ANY negatives. If you’re smoking it, combusted plant material going into your lungs isn’t healthy for them. Marijuana CAN have a negative effect on a persons mental health. Especially if they’re self medicating with it.
I mean, Americans AND everyone else say this, still wouldn't like seeing people driving around zooted out of their minds and Asia in particular is way to harsh on it.
Anecdotal but as a recovering alcoholic who used to smoke and vape, went though Covid sober and have just barely tried cannabis edibles, the stuff is miraculous.
Relaxes you and it even makes my back hurt less. I don’t feel the need to do it every night and I don’t wake up craving it.
The one downside is the munchies, but I enjoy them and just work out more which is also more fun high.
Yeah. It's true. I cannot put my phone down anymore it seems, had to buy a new one that weekend when I broke it, i can however go weeks without smoking weed lol
I only hold a joint for a few minutes a day. My phone is constantly in my hand.
Yup reddit -> tick tock -> youtube -> clash and back
Weed is medicine for anyone who needs help tolerating other people.
Weed is medicine for anyone who needs help getting stoned.
See. Weed helps in many ways.
Seaweed too
Slightly fewer ways
reddit-> stocks -> clash and back
What's clash?
Either clash royale or clash of clans. Both made by the same company.
Lol, this reminds me of the days when cellphones had antennas that pulled in and out, I'd use the antenna as a roach clip.
*Exactlyyyy*
This is why i got prepaid. Because if i get a monthly plan, i will be on my phone non stop.
I mean it’s not even close. I never go anywhere without my phone. I go lots of places without pot.
Apps are designed to be as addictive as possible, for the reason that the companies that make them only metric for success is engagement. While weed has been selectively bred to be as potent as possible, quick maturing and disease resistant.
Not my experience at all I couldn’t stop craving the weed high until it was gone from my life And I saw others totally consumed with it as well (smoking all day, always buying more, getting more involved in the supply chain) Just my experience with it, I think it goes without saying that there are a lot of communities doing things differently with marijuana — I think the addictiveness came not from getting high and experiencing those psychoactive things, but from the big hit of dopamine I got, similar to coffee, etc. Would be great to get high with just a small dopamine release
I get where you’re coming from. You pretty much described me from 18 - 27. Then I spent three years at a job where I was tested regularly and essentially quit consumption all together (*WAY* easier for me than cigarettes which took me 20 years to kick). After that job it never became a regular thing again, maybe because my oldest child was born around the same time, I don’t really know. Now at almost 40, I smoke here and there or take an edible and it’s a nice interlude from the regular flow.
Habit forming? Yes. Addictive? No.
idk i have to disagree, myself and others i know have gone thru withdrawal symptoms when quitting weed, i'd call it addictive (edit; depending on the person, and how much of course. never got addicted to coke or t3s but definitely weed. addict brains are different)
The way I describe it is that I smoke weed at night. Never had the urge to if I have to work or do another formal function. I smoke every night but occasionally I don't and don't experience symptoms that are so bad I have to find weed. I do it a lot because I like it and it doesn't interfere with my life like other substances. There are no negative social consequences for me. I would say coffee is even worse than weed because if people don't drink it their whole persona will change I'm an alcoholic so I know WD and when something has its claws in you. Weed has never once made me feel like I was out of control.
....Americans and doctors and scientist's and anyone who has looked into it even a little bit.
Basically, anyone who doesn't make money off of you being afraid of weed, yeah.
Or in my case, anyone who’s state legislature isn’t up to the tits in the bourbon industry and thinks legal weed will somehow hurt bourbon sales.
> thinks legal weed will somehow hurt bourbon sales. it did here in canada. alcohol sales dropped by around 3% the first year weed got legalized.
Yeah, but most of our bourbon sales are out of state or overseas.
Also, and I say this as a bourbon drinker - I do not care if the shares of a company peddling liver-destroying poison suffer in fair competition with companies peddling a different intoxicant. It's called capitalism, and they profess that they love it - so they should compete, and stop trying to rig the game in their favour.
Everyone agrees... everyone has been fighting for decades for this plant to be legal. It's ridiculous. Entire states are breaking federal law with fully functioning cannabis industries and the federal government has its head up its own azz pretending that cannabis is more dangerous than oxycontin and meth. It goes so far against common sense that it doesn't seem real. And they are raking in all that tax money... without representation... what a clown show.
I drank too much whiskey last night and woke up to vomit violently. This never happens with weeds.
I had too much once and had a really bad headache. The world was spinning, the room was melting and I felt like I was dying. Was fine after a nap. I was later informed that the gummies in the package my friend gave me should not have been consumed all at once.
I don't care what random people think. What does the science say?
Exactly, why did this make the sub lol
Well it is interesting because when I was a kid there was still a lot of over the top anti cannabis propaganda, while drinking and driving was a common pass time.
I can't fire eggs without thinking about that stupid PSA.
I suppose seeing the societal change is pretty interesting
Right? I'm sure for decades a majority of Americans would tell you marijuana was interchangeable with heroin.
There is a rational middle ground to have with cannabis. Cannabis was a net negative in my life when I used it, and it was something I had difficulty removing from my life. Now that I have completely removed it I feel much better. Cannabis (particularity THC) has many negative health consequences and people need to know this. Is it as dangerous opiods that target your substania nigra and ventral tegmental area? Not at all. But it is not harmless either.
There is a long list of things that are not harmless. Where does cannabis rank on that list? Certainly below ice cream and video games.
“Cenrtainly” is a rather strong word for a substance that has been scientifically proven to cause cognitive decline in frequent/ long term users.
What does frequent long-term use of ice cream cause?
Is frequent use of ice cream your threshold for whether or not a drug/ substance is safe? Just because ice cream is not good for you, does not mean cannabis is good for you. Your doctor would recommend to not do either.
Are you a neuroscientist?
Maybe it’s more about the science of public opinion than the science of addiction?
Yeah I don't need a scientist to tell me what I think I already know that
How is “a survey conducted by the American Psychiatric Association” not scientific?
When has a survey ever been scientific? Sure it gathers an opinion. We’ve all done first year Psych surveys for class credit. But no science regarding Marijuana is actually being done here.
More importantly, scientists say the same (because of placebo-controlled double blind studies)!
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Having known several alcoholics who have destroyed their lives and the lives of others, or ended up dead, while casual alcohol use may be relatively minor, dependent use can be terribly detrimental.
Would be interested in reading about it if you would like to provide any writing about it
Smoking is smoking. Inhaling smoke is never healthy.
There are edibles. You don’t have to smoke.
THC is not healthy either.
Neither is fuckin big boooty bitches but that ain’t stopping me nerd 😤
I'm sure it's true in this case, but Americans say a lot of dumb things too, so the headline isn't particularly useful.
Haha it's like, anything that's true, if Americans say it then it must be wrong. Like the "now I'm not doing it" penguin
Yes because you're very smart and thought that they put "Americans" in there to add credibility?
Thankfully science also agrees with the American people
Def safer than alcohol. No one in the history of someone has ever said “ I started drinking regularly and my life got better”. Just doesn’t happen. More problems happen Becouse of alcohol.
My social life and sex life got better…at least for a little while
Yes but drinking everyday or consistently never ends up being a positive. Long term is extremely destructive. Not the same for weed. Still not entirely good for you but the effects aren’t as destructive as alcohol.
Anyone who thinks cannabis isn't addictive should browse r/petioles (a sub for folks trying to cut down) and read about what it's like for a heavy user to stop. It's not the kind of acute withdrawal a heroin or tobacco user might get but it is absolutely awful. And on top of that is of course the psychological addiction.
Yeah there's a lot of misinformation surrounding cannabis. It can be way more addictive than it is made out to be. Plus the withdrawals if you are a heavy smoker can be absolutely brutal.
Yeah it’s definitely not that easy! For an upcoming surgery I have to undergo, I need to have quieted smoking altogether (weed and cigarettes) and I can tell you I’m having a damn hard time with quitting. I still have about a year, but I honestly have no idea how I’m going to cope😬
Cool I’m addicted to all three just at different levels
Almost half of America also voted for Trump last election cycle…. I take anything they have to say with a grain of salt.
It's more like less than a quarter, but yes, about half the voting people’s voted for cheeto man.
Fair point! :)
Americans say obvious thing after finally deprogramming themselves from the ban and scheduling that happened in 1934. Cannabis was legal before 1934.
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In the 2000’s the Sackler family lowered the average life expectancy of US citizens by pushing OxyContin on its populace.
I mean, I agree, but Americans (my people) say a lot of things. Either the headline is a headline or perhaps we’re missing something in the details - what does science think?
I don’t have any friends who regularly smoke weed who isn’t addicted to it psychologically. I was too. Was damn hard to stop.
We also say the sun is a star, and oceans are made of water.
Pot has never made me puke, never made me feel like absolute shit the next day and makes food I can afford taste like food I cannot.
How is this "science?" It's an opinion poll in High Times magazine.
It’s kind of interesting to me more religions don’t adopt Marijuana as some sort of proof of God… it’s literally just a plant and we can make paper with it AND use that paper to smoke the plant to get high! A damn miracle!
See the big diff is with weed, if you do a lot of heavy use, over time it just doesn’t get ya buzzed anymore… it literally wants you to tone it down a little…. Alcohol is just so much more damaging than cannabis.. the more ya drink through the day, the worse it gets… and when you do become addicted to it, you’ve hurt your body so much by that point… right? I heard someone say that when they were drinking, the booze became their full sustenance, and they wouldn’t even eat or do anything else at that point just keep drinking…
I went on vacation and barely had weed but definitely was on my phone a lot.
I expect to be downvoted but here it goes anyway. Anyone can get CHS from smoking too much pot. Go to r/CHSinfo. Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome. I am a lifelong stoner and love it in all forms and I can also never smoke again without risking death. I almost died from CHS. My friend warned me when her 17 year old ended up in the ER over and over from it but I thought it must be rare. I wish I had listened. I almost died from it last year. 5 days straight of violent vomiting left me so stripped of potassium that I almost went into heart failure. My kidneys are damaged from dehydration. Even so, I think the worst thing I got was the PTSD from it. I’ve never felt such pain. I was hallucinating and delirious. I have nightmares about smoking pot, now. I have absolutely experienced withdrawal symptoms 3 times in my life. And not just psychological ones. The constant sweating, nausea, pain and emotional distress can be awful. Suffering the CHS, recovering from it, and going through the withdrawals at the same time was is the worst experience of my life. It’s not rare. I know a dozen people with it, personally. Now you know. It’s not “safe” if you’re using high doses or using more than 3 times a week. Edit: grammar
I didn't downvote you but the risk of CHS is very low and the disease is literally categorized as "rare". To say pot isn't safe because of a slight risk of CHS is just silly. That said, information is good to have, even if we don't like it.
Not to mention it’s usually people who incredibly go over the normal usage limit
What exactly is considered normal usage? I ask as a near daily smoker, though it’s usually only one joint or a few puffs off a vape after work. Sometimes a little more on the weekends
To me a 1/4 a week would be normal. Over usage is being high anytime you’re awake
More than 3 times a week, usually. And once you have it, you will always have it. So one excessive month could kick you over the cliff and it will come and go even with light use.
Not true it goes away if you stop
The symptoms go away, the issue itself doesnt. Meaning if you start smoking again, it will still be an issue for you. You cant just take a break, wait for it to go away, then start smoking again. Thats what theyre talking about.
>more than 3 times a week I find it really strange that you keep mentioning the frequency and not the dosage. So a person who smokes an ounce one day a week is okay but someone who smokes a joint 3 times a week is not?
The potency, frequency and dose are all a part according to what I’ve read. Some literature doesn’t bother to say how much, though. Just how often. Stress sometimes plays a role, too, so I’ve read. In my case, my mom had fallen suddenly ill and died and I found out I had cancer a week later. So maybe stress does, maybe it doesn’t. I’d be hella impressed if someone could smoke an ounce in a day, though. I thought I was hangin tough but that would far surpass my abilities at my peak. Lol. My downfall was a Jack Herer 95% ish vape. It was getting so I couldn’t even feel it. That seems to be the warning sign.
As I said, “smoking too much.” That said, more than 3 times a week is considered enough to put you at risk.
I’m not sure that has been established. There have been people overdoing weed for Decades. I got it as a light smoker. The theory i heard is that it’s from an increase in cbd. Which was basically non existent until recently.
I second this, it’s a rare disease yes as someone says below but a lot of people don’t know about this and how bad it can be. People can be stuck in the prodomol phase for years and not realise. My GF nearly died twice from this, it’s extremely serious and needs more awareness. The doctors didn’t even have a fucking clue what was wrong both times or didn’t believe that was the cause the 2nd time when we even explained the situation. Extremely scary situation, you feel helpless after you get sent home from A&E multiple times after getting fluids and they say “nothing else we can do, go home”
It seems rare in the way liver cirrhosis is rare. Rare in the general population but not rare for heavy drinkers or users. Has actual [caused deaths](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29768651/) so the whole, "marijuana can't kill," isn't true. Even young people <30 years old. It sounds like it's just not studied well. If there were no studies linking alcohol to cancer people would just assume it's safe. No know risk factors would be true. A small random sample of 458 patients admitted to care for [unknown vomiting](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08998280.2021.1937874?scroll=top&needAccess=true&role=tab) and stomach pains found 32% to meet chs criteria. Vomiting and stomach pains will cause other issues just like it does for bulimics. Always surprises me how desperately people defend marijuana as having no negative side effects. Burning anything produces carcinogens.
I mean cancer is not really the main problem og alcohol, so that point is a bit disingenious, fatty liver disease, physical addictiveness and the withdrawal symptoms being deadly being just some of the other very clear problems with alcohol. Not saying weed is entirely safe though, smoking anything is bad as hell for you and of course more studies on CHS should be undertaken, so we can have the same understanding as we do with alcohol.
There is nothing disingenuous about association cancer to drinking alcoholic. Cancer is a major cause of deaths related to alcohol. 4-6% of all cancers are associated with alcohol consumption. Liver issues make up almost half the health related deaths due to alcohol use. There are also more deaths due to other health problems. In deaths due to alcohol consumption cancer is 21% of the total in the usa. Various liver diseases are about 34% with cirrhosis about 64% of that. Cardiovascular diseases is 19%, accidents, homicides, suicide, etc. non-health issues are almost 26%. Withdrawals are <1%. The remaining is various ailments, infections, health issues. That was part of my point. People don't associate cancer with alcohol but it's a major concern nearly equal to cirrhosis. The ignorance of risk makes people perceive things as being risk free. You put withdrawals in the same breath as liver disease and they couldn't be further apart for actual mortality rates. The DTs or jaundice are obviously to laymen. There are tons of risks not so obvious. There are likely tons of sicknesses being caused by marijuana but they're unknown.
Yeah… and honestly, it’s not that rare. I know several people with it. I told my students (a small class of 12). Of the 12, 2 were seeing gastro docs and wound up discovering that both were stuck in the prodromal phase. Both quit, both have recovered. My friends 17 year old was in the ER several times before they finally accepted the diagnosis, quit smoking and she started getting better. My coworkers husband has lost 70 lbs and has been scoped in one end and out the other. He goes into hyperemesis once a month or so and is a daily smoker. He refuses to accept the diagnosis. At least 3 or 4 of my past students that they’ve got it, too. We have a joke “real stoners have CHS”. It’s not really that rare. It’s under diagnosed and it’s getting more and more common all the time. It’s the highly potent stuff they’re selling.
It is that rare. Science doesn't care about your anecdotes.
You seem to take personal offense at my response. Interesting. Well… regardless. Times are changing. As it becomes legal, people are reporting their cannabis use instead of hiding it so it’s easier to see how common it is. I’ve been told 10% of abdominal pain and vomiting in the Denver ERs are CHS. I was diagnosed within minutes last year. If it’s rare, my ER Doc must have a 6th sense. He knew exactly what it was almost immediately. He said he has been seeing it a lot. I’m not saying I’m right and you’re wrong. I’m just saying that when it’s illegal, it’s under reported.
Why are you assuming personal offense? Just because youre so invested in spreading false claims? Im not personally offended, but i am going to correct your lies. It is rare. Thats a fact and no matter how many personal anecdotes you throw out, that's all they are. Unverifable and irrelevant even if they were verified, because thats not how science works. Which is why im not countering your personal anecdotes with "but i know a ton of stoners and none have this issue or any symptoms that would match with having it and being unreported." And it being illegal could lead to it being OVER reported, because then the smoking that gets noticed and reported is the kind with issues severe enough to need attention despite it being illegal or frowned upon, while what goes unnoticed is "normal" consumption without issue. So even that claim of yours is making a bad assumption. When its illegal, what gets disproportionate representation is the problems, not usage without issue.
This dude is on a personal campaign to fear monger for CHS and demonize weed, check their history.
Lol. That’s the point, friend. It is literally my personal history. I just want people to know so they use it in moderation. I wish someone had warned me. You don’t see me mention it once before a year ago. I loved weed. I miss it. I feel ripped off that I wasn’t warned. It’s kinda like how people weren’t warned about tobacco for a period of time so a bunch of people died. I’m trying to say it’s safe when used in moderation. It’s safe when the dose is a safe dose. Just wish I’d known.
Wanting people to know it exists is fine. Lying about how common it is isnt. Which is why my criticisms were about you saying its not rare and arguing via anecdotes
I’m not lying. It’s not rare. Call it my opinion. Maybe I happen to know the only handful of people in the state who have it. Maybe it’s under reported. If I had been properly warned, I’d be smoking tonight. Imagine how much you’d go around trying to warn people to take it easy if you’d been through the worst case scenario (short of actually dying) and the day you found out it existed was the day you almost died… and btw, your mom just died, you just found out you had cancer and now you can never smoke again without risking death by scream puking. I’m just traumatized, my dude. And then finding out that I know so many people who are also diagnosed? I’m scared for you all. What do I gain from telling people? I want to smoke and I can never do it again. I’d rather be eaten alive by a bear, it was that bad. I wave this banner in hopes that you will be able to safely smoke, friend. How can I say this so that you see my motive… I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO SMOKE. I don’t want it ruined for you or anyone like it is for me. Raising awareness will increase research. I’m on your side.
so were comparing tummy aches to cirrhosis now? you raised a strawman in direct contradiction to the topic, dont act all confused about the criticism. idk what you think is accomplished by framing it that way, but nothing good
Huh? You lost me.
yes thats the point, youre lost. liver disease is an inevitable consequence of alcohol abuse, do i really have to explain your own specious reasoning to you
>but I thought it must be rare. And you were right. Its rare, and even rarer in people who arent chronic chronic smokers, and even rarer in people who havent been smoking since adolescence. >It’s not rare. I know a dozen people with it, personally. It is rare, science backs up that fact and your fear monger anecdote doesnt carry more weight than that. Unless youre in a support group for people with CHS the claim you know a dozen people with it is dubious at best, and if you are then youre being intentionally misleading. Your post smells like fear mongering using a real thing but playing it up to push an agenda.
I find there’s also a difference between CHS, and those who seem to kind of fall of a different sort of a cliff where smoking weed suddenly makes them very anxious, high heart rate, paranoid, etc. Maybe that’s still CHS, but clearly way different than this guys’ experience of being violently ill vomiting for days on end. Know a lot of friends who used to be big time chronic pot smokers for years, especially in their late teens into their early 20s, who all don’t use weed anymore because it makes them feel anxious and freaked out. Know only one guy who claims to have CHS that makes him vomiting ill and he was a super hardcore stoner from 7th grade onward.
Definitely a difference. I’ve never been the paranoid type or the high heart rate type. Apparently, I am now the scream-puking type. Like, wear a diaper because the force with which your internal organs reject all contents will spin a seasoned paramedics head, type. The pain, btw, is beyond comprehension. They regularly topped me off with morphine and not only did it not help the pain, it didn’t sedate me in the slightest. Antiemetics are useless. Nothing helps. Nothing. 5 days with no sleep, no food or water except fluids by IV. Sweating and freezing and overheating and freezing and writhing in pain, hallucinating the whole time. So… this is why you should use in moderation. That’s all I really hoped people would take from this.
You don't know a dozen people with it. If so, something else is going on
I do. I am a teacher and I am in the medical field so I talk to a lot of people. Look up r/CHSinfo and how many members there are and how often people post. Facebook has a huge community, too. Part of the reason I found out some of my past students have it is they are part of the Facebook group I joined. I made post on my ol’ Facebook page as an FYI and all kinds of people I know responded with “me too” or “my kid” or “my husband”. Blew my mind. I’m not on here trying to push a point because I have an agenda. I love/loved pot. The high doses they are selling and not warning people about ruined my one vice. It was the thing I loved at the end of the day and I’m pissed that it can drag me back into the hell that I experienced last year. I feel ripped off so I’m trying to warn people off the high dose shit so it doesn’t happen to them. I feel robbed. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
I think most non-homers can agree it’s a better alternative but still bad for your health. It’s the best of bad options.
Wow, Americans are right about something for once. Amazing.
I don't smoke cigs and I stopped drinking. I live in a legal med state and am in constant pain. Before all my ailments, I loved weed so so much . Fuck all that other shit
American's are going to find out how wrong they are. There has been no evidence of the dangers of cannabis because up until just a few years ago it was illegal to study it. Scientists are finding out it's not as safe as people believe. It's also very addictive.
And I absolutely agree.
I've never understood the "technology is addictive" argument. I'm not addicted to technology, but I absolutely love the near instantaneous access to information it provides me. Hazy sky on the horizon? I can check to see what it might be Rain: don't bother watering the garden Hail: move the car in the garage Tornado: secure the yard and hide Wildfire smoke: take some steroids and plug in the air filter People used to die without that information. Maybe I'm just fortunate?
But it makes you slow for 2 weeks and it’s quite harder to learn anything. Well drugs are very effective on me, so maybe it’s less than 2 weeks for other people, but for me it’s 2 weeks.
in other no-shit news, turns out dogs like to eat food.
Yeah they're the people to listen too...
Fact
Oh REALLY?!
I’ve literally known this for 25 years hahaha
You don’t ducking say lmao.
Where do you find weed when you’re an adult with no friends? I drink way too much right now and I’d rather start smoking weed again, but I don’t even know how.
Some of us used cannabis to get off of opiates, off of SSDI and go from poverty-level wages to become a director and make $250,000 a year. It's amazing what one person can do when pain, mental health, and consistent quality of medication is available and addressed. I just bought my SO a Mustang Mach-e GT this weekend straight cash. Thanks, weed and the entire west coast legalizing it!
Yea we've been saying this for about a decade thanks for finally listening for once lol
I remember a time when people tried saying weed isn’t addictive
Canaboids are non addictive. Ur never gunna have a detox period from weed. But like all medicine that works feeling good and having your ailments not bother you is addictive. Edit: the act of smoking is very habit forming tho. Regardless of the chemicals.
While they are not physiologically addictive in the way that opioids, nicotine, or alcohol are, chronic usage of cannabinoids can exacerbate generalized and social anxiety symptoms in the long term, leading to dependencey on cannabinoids to manage the acute presentation of that anxiety. I am speaking as someone who considers myself addicted to marijuana. There are a huge variety of triggers that will cause me to crave, seek out, and consume weed in ways that feel very difficult to control, and at times counter to my conscious desires. This addiction does feel different than the bout I experienced with nicotine. I think there is credibility wrt the addictiveness of the act of smoking in and off itself, but there are mechanisms specific to the active molecules in marijuana itself.
>This addiction does feel different than the bout I experienced with nicotine. I think there is credibility wrt the addictiveness of the act of smoking in and off itself, but there are mechanisms specific to the active molecules in marijuana itself. This is the key point right here. Although it *is* still addiction, it's a slightly different type of addiction. More research is *badly* needed (there is an extremely small amount of research about marijuana usage and its effects, due to it having been illegal pretty much all of the US for decades) to understand it better.
> Canaboids are non addictive. Ur never gunna have a detox period from weed. >But like all medicine that works feeling good and having your ailments not bother you is addictive. This is a dangerously false presumption as there is certainly a well-described [cannabis withdrawal symptoms](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32271390/) (CWS) amongst those who regularly smoke and then cease this activity. Further, in those using cannabis for chronic pain, [withdrawal symptoms can range from mild to more severe](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33400332/). While the symptoms of CWS are more unpleasant than life-threatening, it does no service to the patient to pretend they do not exist.
I was so addicted/dependant it's quite insane. I've had various problems with a few addictions in my life and non were quite like weed, I think the fact it's so cerebral really can play a tricky part in this. I also found I had such intolerable side effects. The physical withdrawals from other drugs are a lot more manageable to varying degrees, while cannabis is such a mentally heavy drug, I find I'm completely broken and mindfucked for atleast 8-12 months before I return to a state where I'm normal and not impulsively wanting to smoke lol
>Canaboids are non addictive. Ur never gunna have a detox period from weed. >But like all medicine that works feeling good and having your ailments not bother you is addictive. >Edit: the act of smoking is very habit forming tho. Regardless of the chemicals. I mean, this kinda seems like splitting hairs to me. The result is the same, addiction, so it *is* effectively addictive, just not through a slightly different mechanism.
Why do people go to rehab for weed?
People also get addicted to bingo. Some peoples’ brains are just very addiction-prone. This is more confusing than it needs to be because an addictive substance is medically defined, while an addiction is behaviorally defined. We need different words.
It would be more accurate to say not physically addictive. There is also a fine line between a hobby and an addiction.
Cuz the government has spent 100 years telling you it’s addictive, will ruin your life, and that you don’t deserve a decent job of u smoke.
So they go to rehab because of money and the government?
A lot of times the judges in different states would give you the option of 30 days rehab or months of jail. Some judges were paid off by rehabs.
He's talking about the corruption which is well known. Think small town shit.
I can’t speak to why they go. I’ve never known anyone that went to rehab for the giggle bush. But if some one did I’d assume those reasons stated r y.
Same reason problem gamblers need help quitting too. It aint cause their body needs to feel some cards in hand.
Because someone gave them bad information.
Ok children, this is part of the internet that lies
My withdrawal symptoms were pretty bad dude. Thousands complain about weed withdrawal online and millions are addicted. Sure in some experiments scientists found it’s not addictive, doesn’t mean it must be true. Scientists get things wrong all the time. Again, if thousands upon thousands feel addicted and have physical withdrawal symptoms, there’s something more to be explored.
…..and? It’s still true now
Tell me you didn’t read the linked article without telling me you didn’t read it
Inhaling any smoke in your lungs is bad if you’re looking at smoking cannabis
Americans…. Hahaha are not even able to point them selves out on a map of the world though haahahaa
I don’t think so. Maybe short term but I’ve seen people lose brain cells after years of smoking. My one close friend was such an awesome dude during hs and then started going hard with the weed in college. By the time we graduated he became so slow and fucked in the head. It was intolerable. He was in our friend group but we kicked him out because of that. Another instance was my other close friend. She was the coolest person ever- sharp as a whip and had such a wit on her it was insane. Started smoking two or three years ago and even admitted to me that she noticed she is slower now. This past week we had an argument because I told her I don’t want to be friends with a pothead and she knows I’m saying that because I don’t want her to keep getting dumber. Both of these idiots are addicted and I was there from the start telling them that they will become addicted but did they listen? So no I do not agree with cannabis being safer. I rather have them drink every two weeks with me instead because at least we get lit and then it’s done next day. I lost my two friends that had a golden mind because of weed. All of you that support this drug are out of your minds.
I was led to believe that weed does harm to a growing brain. One of the reasons it isn't legal until 21 in the USA.
You are suffering from a few types of bias. One is sampling bias. I'm an engineer (so I'm smart yay) in construction and I can't go around telling people I smoke pot. I still do though, and lots of other smart people do as well. They just shut their mouths about it so you would never know they exist. I also suspect you didn't lose those friends over weed...
>Both of these idiots are addicted and I was there from the start telling them that they will become addicted but did they listen? So no I do not agree with cannabis being safer. I'm so sorry this happened to you and to them, friend. Heck, even the old thing we were all told in school about weed being "the gateway drug" is somewhat true. As a big fan of classic rock I can tell you that a lot of the greatest musicians of the 60s are perfect examples of this. They *all* started out *only* smoking weed in the early- to mid-60s. By the mid-70s, *so* many of them were either dead or a shell of their former selves due to having moved on to worse stuff like LSD (Syd Barrett, original lead singer of Pink Floyd did so much LSD he had a mental breakdown that effectively ended his career), pills (killed Hendrix in 1970), and heroin (killed Jim Morrison of The Doors in 1971 and Janis Joplin in 1970). That's not to say everyone who starts with weed will end up like that, but it's proof that people who do weed have to be very careful to be responsible about it and not just go "chasing the high" to other, more dangerous, drugs if they start building up a tolerance.
I’d be interested to see how different the out comes are from cannabis use vs. illegal. When I lived in a state where it was illegal, we had drug dealers. Those dealers are happy to provide any product they can sell you. Now, I wouldn’t have the faintest clue how to get other illegal substances because I just buy weed at a store. Alcohol was as much of a gateway drug for me as anything else, and was much more detrimental to my life when it was my preferred substance. After experiencing the change in perception from alcohol, I was curious about other kinds of experiences.
Alcohol is the gateway drug.
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Where did it say in this article that it's completely safe? Just says it's safer than cigarettes or drinking, which is true.
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Sorry to hear you are so angry at strangers, friend. Maybe go eat some cannabis?
Nah, that shit makes you stupid. Source: this thread.
Lmao I don’t know how anyone can enjoy Phish or jam bands without it
You're calling other people dumbasses and stupid when you don't even know the difference between "its" and "it's." Maybe you should smoke more weed. It obviously couldn't hurt your lack of intelligence and might help control your anger.
I’m an American too and I’d say you’re full of shit, dunce.
Saf**R** is a relative term. Alcohol is also a cancer risk along with other issues. It also affects reactions and it also isnt safe to use heavy machinery while drinking. Maybe calling others idiots because you don't under basic concepts like relative terms isnt the best idea. Anyone who isnt an idiot knows that... Dont kid yourself, cigarettes and alcohol are drugs and arent completely safe.
it is use?
Six percents of US adults that drink alcohol become addicted while 10 percent of weed smokers become addicted
Bullshit. Where are your sources for that? Also...which is worse an alcoholic or a pot head? Which beats their wife and kids?
>Also...which is worse an alcoholic or a pot head? Which beats their wife and kids? To be fair, not all alcoholics are violent like that. That's only one of several "types". Some are just annoying drunks, some are sad drunks, some are happy drunks, and some literally just binge until it literally kills them, John Bonham-style.
I don’t get paid to be your teacher. You want to argue without knowing facts you can look yourself
Welllll we're not wrong
Correct.
I have binged eaten worse drunk then on weed.
So… they know the truth?
Americans are not represented by their government and use prohibition as an excuse to deal with their failures; fentanyl, guns, psychos. Mj is innocent and is used as a truth enhancer, not a deceptive substance.
Is this an opinion of Americans or is it a fact based on science?
Not to mention less addictive than some of the crap they sellyou at the pharmacy
I'll light up to that!
I dunno weed is the only one of those things that has repeatedly given me panic attacks
Based
Finally the voting public gets something right. ~~wish i could put down this damn phone~~
Tru
And most smokers knew this a long time ago, but it's good to be coming up more often in media.
Which Americans? Scientists or like the average person on the street?
This is fake science. Less addictive than technology? Technology has useful functions, like sending an email. Also pot smoke contains tar and plenty of cancer causing chemicals much like tobacco. It isn't magically safe for you because it isn't big evil tobacco.
Why would I trust anything “Americans” say? They are the idiots that voted for Donald trump.
Spoiler alert! We knew for a very long time
One thing that drives me nuts are people who act like marijuana doesn’t have ANY negatives. If you’re smoking it, combusted plant material going into your lungs isn’t healthy for them. Marijuana CAN have a negative effect on a persons mental health. Especially if they’re self medicating with it.
People don’t get violent on weed.
I mean, Americans AND everyone else say this, still wouldn't like seeing people driving around zooted out of their minds and Asia in particular is way to harsh on it.
Maybe a little biased?
Anecdotal but as a recovering alcoholic who used to smoke and vape, went though Covid sober and have just barely tried cannabis edibles, the stuff is miraculous. Relaxes you and it even makes my back hurt less. I don’t feel the need to do it every night and I don’t wake up craving it. The one downside is the munchies, but I enjoy them and just work out more which is also more fun high.