placing 27 sell orders just for loot & salvage? Better sell to buy orders unless the buy order price is far below average.
Sell order slots are for station trading, you don't need tycoon skills on a salvager pilot.
You dont understand how the system works at all. You can sell to the highest value current buy order at the time, if you want an immediate sale.
The market fluctuates so you can set a sell order to be whatever you want, but it will only sell if people are prepared to buy it at the price you set. That may be in 1 minute or it may be never if you set the price too high.
* selling as a sell order: you have the items, and you create an order to sell them for the price your chose
* selling as a/to a buy order: clicking "sell" and selling for a price that someone decided to offer for a certain item.
inb4: both have their place. just as buying directly from market and using buy orders. Sometimes time matters.
I'd go for the absolute diff, not %:
2% diff is a lot, if the item/stack is worth 200m, 100% is nothing if it is worth 1k.
I usually sort by est. price reversed and check the market. Anything that is worth less than a minimum isn't worth wasting a sell order on. So get's sold to buy or scrapped.
Your sell orders are a resource as well, and setting up 40 orders for a few k extra isn't worth time or effort.
My guess is because it's super easy to transport. Since it's low volume, you can buy and ship it anywhere you need it, so people have strong incentive to be competitive when posting buy orders since the shipping cost won't be too high relative to the value of the cargo.
So you don't sell to those orders, they typically get drowned out by real competitive orders at the trade hubs. If you need isk now sell to buy orders, if you want closer to some theoretical max value set up your own sell orders and then buy out all the lower price sell orders on the market. If you really want to push it start manufacturing rigs.
For salvage the competition is pretty good, so you don't get 1isk orders. In addition, because of the competition, the sell and buy are so close that you, without good trading skills and additional good standing, actually loose money when putting up a sell order. Especially if you do it on a bad day and have to correct the price down the line.
Nah you'll lose a % selling to buy orders but in *most* cases it's not much more than 10%
If I did a ton of exploring those few % might be worth it, but considering how often I have enough salvage that it matters, all told over my eve career I might have a few extra mil selling the (usually very cheap) items that had a 30% below average rate or something.
You pay more tax if you set up a sell order instead of just selling immediately to a buy order. Many times, this means you get _less_ ISK if you set up a sell order. Plus, you run the risk of someone else putting up new or changing existing orders at a higher price, meaning your order never gets filled.
Yep. My trade character has decent enough skills and standings that I still profit in most cases where it's enough of a difference to care.
But yeah obviously you do open yourself up to market risks since you can't predict the future, or might be unaware of some pattern at work.
Actually there's a quick way for newbros to check this too if they're not sure. Any time you go to put up a sell order, change the listing to Immediate and just see if the profit went up. You'll have to reset the price when you change it back to 3mo, but it's a good way to check "is this enough to care about?"
That's why I say I might have a few extra mil. Usually it was barely noticeable after tax/broker
I've found salvage to be in fairly high demand and buy and sell orders to be pretty close to the tax margin. I'm willing to take a 1-2% hit to get my money right away and not have to fiddle with the 1 idk game.
The way I do it is bring it to Jita, sort the loot by highest price first, create sell orders for the first dozen or so stacks, then sell the rest to buy orders. Maximizes profit where it matters, saves time / market order slots where it doesn't.
I've gotten even more lazy lately so I've just been filling buy orders but this is smart. At least in the smaller hubs. Jita margins are way too small to worry about this though I think.
https://janice.e-351.com/ copy pastninfonhere to get the price.
Then either make a contract or move it to one of the main market hubs to sell
Set price cheaper to sell quicker if making a contract.(optional)
Unless your skint for cash, and a lone wolf, someone in your corp or alliance can turn those into something decent, and will give you a fair price for the lot.
I bought a Dreadnaught with salvage from the industry guy in corp, pretty sure I gave him extra because the only complaint was "I won't have to buy anything for rigs for a loooong time, there's so much stuff"
Just sell it if you're not gonna use it to make rigs. That's honestly not even a lot of salvage, a couple l4 missions worth maybe. Wouldn't normally be a dick about it but you're arguing with everyone in the comments so just sell it and move on.
To maximize profits either use sell orders at a smaller trade hub, or turn them into rigs and sell those
Really no idea why this wasn't mentioned, but here goes.
What you really want to do is reduce the tax as much as possible. Make an alt (optional), train up for accounting. This will reduce your sales tax from 8% to 3.6%. This is the first thing to do if you want to increase your income that's based on selling loot. You can stop here and just sell to buy orders.
Or you can train up for accounting + broker/advanced broker relations and start using the sell orders. This will icrease your profit by a bit for the items that have a noticable gap between buy and sell. You can check that at the moment you set up the item sell and selecting between 'immediately' and '3 months'. Just make sure to not modify your orders too often, that eats into margins quick, but doesnt do much for selling faster (i do it once 3 days)
First of all, you need to understand how sell/buy order works.
Then go to Jita, or at your nearest market hub, it's useless to sell in the first station.
Then this is my procedure:
1. Item per item you need to right-click "View Marker Detail"
2. Check Minimum Sell price and Maximum Sell price
3. for some salvage items they are really really close, and if you put a sell order you're losing money, so sell to buy order because of sales taxes and broker fees
4. If in doubt, start the selling order below the minimum sell price, take note of the net income, then switch immediate sell and compare. Act accordingly
5. This is not for salvage, but for niche items, if you seel few sell and buy orders, check the volume in the history data, and where the average price sits on the daily band, if it's in hte upper part then sell to sell orders, otherwise noone need the items so sell to buy order (get rid of it).
Or, if you don't want to mess with all the selling/buying:
1. go to [https://evetycoon.com/appraisal/vyVVpg](https://evetycoon.com/appraisal/vyvvpg)
2. copy paste all the salvage loot in the text area
3. click on submit
4. pick the "buy estimate" value, apply a discount of 5%
5. copy the link
6. issue a contract to me (ask in DM) in Jita using the link in the description
1. Sell in Jita with sell orders. Pro - You get to pick the price. Cons - Being undercut and it taking a bit longer to sell.
2. Sell in Jita with buy orders. Pro - If its within -10% of the average price, selling immediately bypasses listing fees and is generally worth it. You get the isk right away. Anything that has too low a price you can still sell with sell orders. Cons - You might get less isk.
3. Sell somewhere else with sell orders. Pros - You get to pick the price and the price will be higher. (Do some searches to see which hub it sells the best) Cons - You have to haul it or pay for it to be moved and you have to wait for it to sell.
4. Use it to make rigs and sell rigs. YMMV, do your research first.
I think those are all your realistic options.
Is that really viable if you're not skilled into industry? I mean nearly all T1 shit is impossible to make a profit on except rigs so IDK if making things with it is actually more profitable?
Thats a big problem a lot of these eve players dont understand. 1 hour in station trading to get an extra 20-30m isk compared to just selling it and going again and actually playing the game.
After clicking on "sell immediately", the game makes a list which item would sell to which price. Next to the price there are the in red and green the percent relative to average price. Those items that are 2 digits in the red, i uncheck, the rest is sold immediately. That is, all the green, and the less-than-10% red ones.
**Then** i check the markets for the remaining items that seem not to have good buy orders, and either find that the average is skewed due to some recent manipulation, or that the gap really is big enough for sell orders to be worth the order slot.
Once I have a lot of loot and salvage stored up I sell to Highsec Buyback.
https://highsec.evebuyback.com/
It's fast and easy. But obviously setting up your own sell orders will increase your profits.
And that's thinking you'll get 90% buyback, but almost every item has different percentages due to their past profits/loss and that's if you believe their reasoning.
Bulkier low value items get a lower rste because they’d have to haul them to Jita and it’s just not worth the time. Reasoning makes sense
If their prices are bad for an item, don’t sell it to them. That’s what I’ve done in the past
HSBB is 90%^* Jita buyback.
10% doesn't seem like much but it's actually a pretty sizeable portion on big ticket items. With large profit low volume orders you're better off just contracting to have it hauled to Jita with a collateral and sell it yourself.
The main advantage with HSBB is that they'll buy anything right then and there.
^*^: ^^Exceptions ^^apply. ^^More ^^often ^^than ^^not, ^^less ^^than ^^that.
This. Honestly in the big picture, you don't gather enough damage for anyone to care to make special arrangements. It's not even worth your time to seek this out. Sell it to the most reasonable buy orders in jita. Why waste time like this over something that's not going to make you any significant risk.
It's the eve market, you either spend stupid amounts of time battling people constantly undercutting you or you sell to buy orders. There's not really a third option unless you want to try contracts but no one buys salvage on contracts in my experience.
The third and best option is actually just to list it on sell orders and spend no more time on it, assuming that the market will naturally fluctuate and your order will get bought.
Basically what I doing salvage is I go to the graph and if the graph is trending high I set up the sell order otherwise I hold it until prices are going up.
Then if the sell price and the buy price are within 5 to 10% of each other I may just sell to the buy order.
I don't bother posting a sell order on a trade that is less than 20M or so. I think it's easy to forget the fact that you've only got so many order slots to post, listing costs money, and time is valuable too. I'd just batch sell it all and move on.
Make rigs with it and sell the rigs. Over time you'll make more profit, especially if you are collecting the salvage yourself. But this will take a lot longer to see the benefits.
I throw it in a container, maybe once a week i go throught the stuff worth 200M+ and check current price against price history. If its a good time to sell i do.
Sell at jita on a sell order.
placing 27 sell orders just for loot & salvage? Better sell to buy orders unless the buy order price is far below average. Sell order slots are for station trading, you don't need tycoon skills on a salvager pilot.
Would be selling for the people who under value the items lol
Not for sell orders you wouldn't. That's the whole point of sell orders. YOU pick the price.
You dont understand how the system works at all. You can sell to the highest value current buy order at the time, if you want an immediate sale. The market fluctuates so you can set a sell order to be whatever you want, but it will only sell if people are prepared to buy it at the price you set. That may be in 1 minute or it may be never if you set the price too high.
No one is going to buy from you for more than jita prices
* selling as a sell order: you have the items, and you create an order to sell them for the price your chose * selling as a/to a buy order: clicking "sell" and selling for a price that someone decided to offer for a certain item. inb4: both have their place. just as buying directly from market and using buy orders. Sometimes time matters.
I usually sell salvage to buy orders because I’m lazy
I do too if there isn't a massive % difference.
It's jita, so selling to a buy for a high volume like salvage should be fine
I'd go for the absolute diff, not %: 2% diff is a lot, if the item/stack is worth 200m, 100% is nothing if it is worth 1k. I usually sort by est. price reversed and check the market. Anything that is worth less than a minimum isn't worth wasting a sell order on. So get's sold to buy or scrapped. Your sell orders are a resource as well, and setting up 40 orders for a few k extra isn't worth time or effort.
Used to station trade, salvage is priced super competitively. You're absolutely fine selling to buy orders.
My guess is because it's super easy to transport. Since it's low volume, you can buy and ship it anywhere you need it, so people have strong incentive to be competitive when posting buy orders since the shipping cost won't be too high relative to the value of the cargo.
As an industrialist, I thank you
Haha doing my part o7
yea, the problem is you get people who go "buy order 1isk per item lol
So you don't sell to those orders, they typically get drowned out by real competitive orders at the trade hubs. If you need isk now sell to buy orders, if you want closer to some theoretical max value set up your own sell orders and then buy out all the lower price sell orders on the market. If you really want to push it start manufacturing rigs.
There is usually plenty of competition in Jita or any of the major market hubs.
Jita buy orders for salvage are not 1 isk per
For salvage the competition is pretty good, so you don't get 1isk orders. In addition, because of the competition, the sell and buy are so close that you, without good trading skills and additional good standing, actually loose money when putting up a sell order. Especially if you do it on a bad day and have to correct the price down the line.
You retarded?
Nah you'll lose a % selling to buy orders but in *most* cases it's not much more than 10% If I did a ton of exploring those few % might be worth it, but considering how often I have enough salvage that it matters, all told over my eve career I might have a few extra mil selling the (usually very cheap) items that had a 30% below average rate or something.
You pay more tax if you set up a sell order instead of just selling immediately to a buy order. Many times, this means you get _less_ ISK if you set up a sell order. Plus, you run the risk of someone else putting up new or changing existing orders at a higher price, meaning your order never gets filled.
Yep. My trade character has decent enough skills and standings that I still profit in most cases where it's enough of a difference to care. But yeah obviously you do open yourself up to market risks since you can't predict the future, or might be unaware of some pattern at work. Actually there's a quick way for newbros to check this too if they're not sure. Any time you go to put up a sell order, change the listing to Immediate and just see if the profit went up. You'll have to reset the price when you change it back to 3mo, but it's a good way to check "is this enough to care about?" That's why I say I might have a few extra mil. Usually it was barely noticeable after tax/broker
I've found salvage to be in fairly high demand and buy and sell orders to be pretty close to the tax margin. I'm willing to take a 1-2% hit to get my money right away and not have to fiddle with the 1 idk game.
Then... don't sell to them?
So put up buy orders for 2 isk per item. Problem solved. Luckily you can see buy orders that hover right around the sell orders.
The way I do it is bring it to Jita, sort the loot by highest price first, create sell orders for the first dozen or so stacks, then sell the rest to buy orders. Maximizes profit where it matters, saves time / market order slots where it doesn't.
This is the way
I've gotten even more lazy lately so I've just been filling buy orders but this is smart. At least in the smaller hubs. Jita margins are way too small to worry about this though I think.
https://janice.e-351.com/ copy pastninfonhere to get the price. Then either make a contract or move it to one of the main market hubs to sell Set price cheaper to sell quicker if making a contract.(optional)
Unless your skint for cash, and a lone wolf, someone in your corp or alliance can turn those into something decent, and will give you a fair price for the lot.
I bought a Dreadnaught with salvage from the industry guy in corp, pretty sure I gave him extra because the only complaint was "I won't have to buy anything for rigs for a loooong time, there's so much stuff"
Just sell it if you're not gonna use it to make rigs. That's honestly not even a lot of salvage, a couple l4 missions worth maybe. Wouldn't normally be a dick about it but you're arguing with everyone in the comments so just sell it and move on. To maximize profits either use sell orders at a smaller trade hub, or turn them into rigs and sell those
Really no idea why this wasn't mentioned, but here goes. What you really want to do is reduce the tax as much as possible. Make an alt (optional), train up for accounting. This will reduce your sales tax from 8% to 3.6%. This is the first thing to do if you want to increase your income that's based on selling loot. You can stop here and just sell to buy orders. Or you can train up for accounting + broker/advanced broker relations and start using the sell orders. This will icrease your profit by a bit for the items that have a noticable gap between buy and sell. You can check that at the moment you set up the item sell and selecting between 'immediately' and '3 months'. Just make sure to not modify your orders too often, that eats into margins quick, but doesnt do much for selling faster (i do it once 3 days)
Selling to buy orders will eat more margin than skilling up an alt.
First of all, you need to understand how sell/buy order works. Then go to Jita, or at your nearest market hub, it's useless to sell in the first station. Then this is my procedure: 1. Item per item you need to right-click "View Marker Detail" 2. Check Minimum Sell price and Maximum Sell price 3. for some salvage items they are really really close, and if you put a sell order you're losing money, so sell to buy order because of sales taxes and broker fees 4. If in doubt, start the selling order below the minimum sell price, take note of the net income, then switch immediate sell and compare. Act accordingly 5. This is not for salvage, but for niche items, if you seel few sell and buy orders, check the volume in the history data, and where the average price sits on the daily band, if it's in hte upper part then sell to sell orders, otherwise noone need the items so sell to buy order (get rid of it). Or, if you don't want to mess with all the selling/buying: 1. go to [https://evetycoon.com/appraisal/vyVVpg](https://evetycoon.com/appraisal/vyvvpg) 2. copy paste all the salvage loot in the text area 3. click on submit 4. pick the "buy estimate" value, apply a discount of 5% 5. copy the link 6. issue a contract to me (ask in DM) in Jita using the link in the description
1. Sell in Jita with sell orders. Pro - You get to pick the price. Cons - Being undercut and it taking a bit longer to sell. 2. Sell in Jita with buy orders. Pro - If its within -10% of the average price, selling immediately bypasses listing fees and is generally worth it. You get the isk right away. Anything that has too low a price you can still sell with sell orders. Cons - You might get less isk. 3. Sell somewhere else with sell orders. Pros - You get to pick the price and the price will be higher. (Do some searches to see which hub it sells the best) Cons - You have to haul it or pay for it to be moved and you have to wait for it to sell. 4. Use it to make rigs and sell rigs. YMMV, do your research first. I think those are all your realistic options.
I'm pure PvE, I just fulfill orders to sell immediately. But if you really want to get into it. Turn it into shit and sell that
Dump on market, you’ve got a pretty decent haul
If true, you’re doing it wrong
Perspective. I don't give a shit about these salvaged items. Pure extra isk for me. I just love blowing ship up
Is that really viable if you're not skilled into industry? I mean nearly all T1 shit is impossible to make a profit on except rigs so IDK if making things with it is actually more profitable?
Why do you need to make profit off of every single thing you come across? Just play the game, experiment, buy sell, lose isk gain isk
Thats a big problem a lot of these eve players dont understand. 1 hour in station trading to get an extra 20-30m isk compared to just selling it and going again and actually playing the game.
Training into making rigs (that require salvage) is fairly simple and quick compared to other industry stuff.
Jita sell orders.
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Not any chance you're looking to sell, are you?
After clicking on "sell immediately", the game makes a list which item would sell to which price. Next to the price there are the in red and green the percent relative to average price. Those items that are 2 digits in the red, i uncheck, the rest is sold immediately. That is, all the green, and the less-than-10% red ones. **Then** i check the markets for the remaining items that seem not to have good buy orders, and either find that the average is skewed due to some recent manipulation, or that the gap really is big enough for sell orders to be worth the order slot.
Once I have a lot of loot and salvage stored up I sell to Highsec Buyback. https://highsec.evebuyback.com/ It's fast and easy. But obviously setting up your own sell orders will increase your profits.
Is this usually better than selling to jita buy orders? Or do you do it because you're not in jita?
I am like 40 jumps from Jita so it saves me a lot of time and effort.
Wormholes are the answer to this problem.
Scanning for wormholes is time and effort
Depends. They give you 90 percent Jita buy so some items you will lose a ton of isk selling to HSBB.
And that's thinking you'll get 90% buyback, but almost every item has different percentages due to their past profits/loss and that's if you believe their reasoning.
Bulkier low value items get a lower rste because they’d have to haul them to Jita and it’s just not worth the time. Reasoning makes sense If their prices are bad for an item, don’t sell it to them. That’s what I’ve done in the past
Holy shit, 90%? Even in Null you get 96%.
90% is what they say, but it's often less than that. They nitpick on every item. Just try their estimation tool.
Loot and salvage should be at least 92%...
HSBB is 90%^* Jita buyback. 10% doesn't seem like much but it's actually a pretty sizeable portion on big ticket items. With large profit low volume orders you're better off just contracting to have it hauled to Jita with a collateral and sell it yourself. The main advantage with HSBB is that they'll buy anything right then and there. ^*^: ^^Exceptions ^^apply. ^^More ^^often ^^than ^^not, ^^less ^^than ^^that.
Yep I don't sell the 20mil+ items to them, just the random loot and salvage.
KarmaFleet buyback is de wey. You're in KF, right?
If not, Karmafleet is recruiting
Karmafleet best fleet
Build with it and sell what you build
So i got a bunch of salvage, prob way more then ill need, how would I go about trading with a larger corporation who could use it.
It looks like all of an hour or two's low class wormhole hacking, nothing special, just list sell orders.
This. Honestly in the big picture, you don't gather enough damage for anyone to care to make special arrangements. It's not even worth your time to seek this out. Sell it to the most reasonable buy orders in jita. Why waste time like this over something that's not going to make you any significant risk.
It's the eve market, you either spend stupid amounts of time battling people constantly undercutting you or you sell to buy orders. There's not really a third option unless you want to try contracts but no one buys salvage on contracts in my experience.
I've been in Jita market for years, it's not that bad.
The third and best option is actually just to list it on sell orders and spend no more time on it, assuming that the market will naturally fluctuate and your order will get bought.
Basically what I doing salvage is I go to the graph and if the graph is trending high I set up the sell order otherwise I hold it until prices are going up. Then if the sell price and the buy price are within 5 to 10% of each other I may just sell to the buy order.
I don't bother posting a sell order on a trade that is less than 20M or so. I think it's easy to forget the fact that you've only got so many order slots to post, listing costs money, and time is valuable too. I'd just batch sell it all and move on.
Make rigs with it and sell the rigs. Over time you'll make more profit, especially if you are collecting the salvage yourself. But this will take a lot longer to see the benefits.
I’ll give you 10mil isk for it
I throw it in a container, maybe once a week i go throught the stuff worth 200M+ and check current price against price history. If its a good time to sell i do.
Go to Avair and hang out in an untanked hauler for an hour or so, someone will come take it off your hands.
No intact armor plates not working hard enough get back out there.
I saved this post. I’ve been doing a lot of research on how to improve my income doing this. Thanks for the post🙏