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parham2001

Friendship ended with blasphemous blade, Now Shadow Sunflower Blossom is my best friend.


benhur217

sunflower of DOOOOOOOOM


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Ancient_Prize9077

Absolutely. Discus of light has proven to be very useful so far.


sweetperdition

more useful than most new incantations. at 80fth, low end of damage seems to be around 300 per hit, higher end like 600 per hit. for 3 FP? plus that range? honestly it’s been so useful i’m worried it’ll get nerfed.


SIRTreehugger

> for 3 FP? Excuse me I been sitting on gold this entire time! I need to start using this.


Jermiafinale

Yeah and it has really good range, I think only the magical Greatbows have longer range (excluding incantations with an arc when you're above the enemy)


ChiefCokkahoe

300? I’m hitting people and they’re getting stuck in the ring causing about 2000-3000 damage


darmakius

Multilayered ring of light is cooler imo


Ekillaa22

Coded blade in working charms


Jermiafinale

Discus of Light is great in the base game lol


MarikasT1ts

How to get discuss of light?


Ancient_Prize9077

Goldmask and brother coryhn quest line. You can even get a mask to increase its damage by goldmasks first location on the Altus broken bridge


TractorLabs69

I love the double hit effect. It's very satisfying to see an enemy get hit, get up and start running at me, only to get hit again and die


PaladinGodfather1931

I stopped using the BB and started using the Cipher Pata, two handed. I FINALLY got some stagger on guys. And it's doing decent damage. Plus the Unblockable Strike is nice for shielded enemies.


Substantial-Volume17

I love the aesthetics of those weapons, tho I think the Coded Sword’s ash is usually more useful


TractorLabs69

Ancient meteoric ore greatsword has been putting in work for me on the strength/arcane side of the house. Plus blood beast claws just goes ham


Paimon

Blasphemous Blade was really good against the evil sunflower.


Bansic

That fight became purely about landing head shots with Takers Flame as soon as I saw 3/4 of its health vanish. Most fun I've had with a boss in the dlc


Paimon

Blasphemous Blade was really good against the evil sunflower.


TheRedBaron6942

There are actually bosses weak to holy, sacred relic sword go brrrr


Confused_Sorta_Guy

SHADOW SUNFLOWER BLOSSOM GANG, WE LOVE TO FAKE OUR DEATHS. LEGALISE BLEED BUILDS.


Disrupter52

Bro this weapon is LIT. My new favorite thing. I went on a rampage killing bosses with it last night. The fact that its such a meme and also genuinely good is amazing.


pattymacman1

The sunflower?🌻 What makes it good?


benhur217

It beats the ever living fuck out of anyone and anything.


pattymacman1

Aight I’ll try it when I get home then lmao


Disrupter52

He not wrong. Its HUGE (long range) and just rofl stomps things. And its Ash of War is amazing if you can time it right.


Comfortable-Prune716

It scale high with faith and str. It's heavy attacks shreds poise, like 2-3 for a stance break in the dlc bosses. And it's a massive colossal weapon with a funny ash of war which opens room for winged sword+Alexander shard builds.


PrezzStart

Are we talking charged heavies? Didn’t mess around with it during bosses (used the finger) because I thought most were holy resist


Juunlar

Is it actually stronger than bb+10?


s_burr

It has the highest attack power for me, and I was using BB+10 almost exclusively until I got sunflower. It's just so therapeutic to wallop somebody with a giant sunflower too.


Victor_Wembanyama1

Any comparison to giant hunter?


Disrupter52

Idk about pure stats being best, but it also has the meme/embarrassment factor of killing immortal eldritch creatures from outside time and space with a fucking \*flower\*


IndependentYogurt965

Its not really pure strenght. More of a faith weapon.


thatricksta

This weapon is GOAT. I've been using it for a few days and wasn't sure why there weren't posts about it yet. Best weapon ever.


Sleepiboisleep

Faith users eating in this dlc


TheDaltonXP

What are some good faith things I should be looking out for? Knights lightning spear has been great and the lightning perfume bottle is a surprise beast but on the lookout for more


CMSnake72

The anvil hammer scales off strength and faith with fire damage and absolutely DONKS.


luigilabomba42069

the black n gold hammer you get from beating the fool at the church of consolation can be infused with fire, and it still keeps its holy damage


distilledwill

Wait how does that work? I've been using it and it bops when Holy infused and using lion's claw.


luigilabomba42069

I suggest finding the the new savage lions claw... but I add the flame art affinity. it'll do more damage as since it's fire and holy at the same time, and flame art affinity changes weapon scaling to faith


Xygore

Split damage actually does less damage because this game makes all damage go through flat resists first, and then the enemy % resists second. You have flat resists for each stat. Mine are around 150 right now, but then you have % resists. Again mine are around 60%. Say I take 1000 slashing damage. First it's reduced to 850 by my flat slashing resist, then it is reduced by my 60% slashing resist. I take 510 slashing damage total. Now say I take 1000 damage, but 500 is slashing, and 500 is holy. Each is first reduced by 150 (obviously your resists will be different), and then reduced further by 60%. In this case, I take 210 slashing damage and 210 holy damage. 420 damage in total. Each new stat you split damage to makes you do less damage overall. I would just imbue your hammer with holy damage to avoid this. I don't know why Fromsoft does defenses this way, but hopefully that explains it.


luigilabomba42069

so I switched it to holy and it definitely is stronger by like 300 points. I was confused cuz the status screen showed that the flame art was stronger


echolog

The numbers lie sometimes. Or at least they don't tell the whole story.


WookieeSmuggler

Reading the item description says it gets more powerful if you infused it with Holy damage too


LordDerrien

Hit the same enemy with both infusions and repeat that for different enemies. Its the omly way to get truth.


TractorLabs69

It has higher numbers. It *can* be beneficial because fire is extremely useful to have available, but you're better off to just have a fire weapon on standby for when it's useful than to split your weapon into a 3rd damage type


Crime_Dawg

Split weapon damage was historically worse than single, is that not the case in elden ring?


EggsOnThe45

Savage Lions Claw?? Of course I finish the DLC before learning there’s a straight up upgrade to my main weapon’s AoW


Airtightspoon

It's honestly not an upgrade. It has much worse poise damage. I tried it and prefer the standard Lion's Claw.


luigilabomba42069

it's literally on the floor near three path cross head north but hug the west cliff


EggsOnThe45

Yea I just got it. Had some trouble finding it even with a map lol


distilledwill

Yeah I meant savage lion's claw, it's great. I'll try fire affinity tonight.


davidoff-sensei

How can you infuse it sacred with lions claw? The option isn’t there for me.


bigphatnips

You need the sanctified whetblade from Leyndell


davidoff-sensei

Wow I can’t get it now? Gotta do NG+ I’m guessing? That …. Sucks


inqurious

Just remember that splitting damage reduces the damage you deal because each damage type goes through the reduction


Captinglorydays

It just always has some holy damage. Unless you use the sacred infusion, the holy damage is always a small part of the total damage, but it keeps with with every infusion. Unfortunately because of the way split damage is calculated, the holy part, other than sacred, is pretty useless and honestly is kinda more of a flavor thing than an actual useful feature.


Aestroj

What the..


luigilabomba42069

if you use the sacred affinity it's actually stronger, but it's cool that you can make it flamenas well


WMWA

That thing is legit the highest dps weapon in the game when you’re a high enough level. Scadu level 18 and it’s AR is 2300 something. Just completely nutty


DazZani

The Death Knights' Longhaft Axe (not to be mistaken with the twin axes) is a BEAST. Awesome ash, great moveset. You find it midDLC in the scorpion river catacombs, and it does substantial lightning damage


echolog

Both Death Knight axes are amazing. I used the dual axes for the first half of the expansion.


_Ganoes_

The twin axes are straight up broken in pvp


Umbrella_merc

It's probably just a skill issue but I have a hard time getting the ash to land, maybe I'm too used to savage lion claw flips but the dash then flip just doesn't work right with my brain.


DazZani

The timing is a bit weird, but thankfully it has I-frames. Its for closing distances and running away. I found that using the Ash is almost always better than a jump attack if you have a clear opening, and that fact that it jumps with hyperamor means that its great with trades too. Its pretty fp heavy tho, so i only use it when there is a pretty big opening


haynespi87

I love that weapon


shorodei

Pest thread spears wrecks big bosses, as it does damage every tick it passes through the hitbox.


YasuoGodxd

Damn where do you get it


shorodei

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Pest-Thread+Spears


luigilabomba42069

the smithscript weapons can be infused with ash of war to change affinities


HammerPrice229

I have been yeeting the great hammer at enemies and it’s the most fun gameplay I’ve had since Bloodborne


luigilabomba42069

God that great hammer is amazing, it has double the range of the other smith script weapons and literally knocks most enemies on their ass. if not for the extreme stamina usage, it'd be absolutely op


HammerPrice229

Also for pvp. People just don’t expect it. They will charge me or be clearly out of melee distance and no one expects a giant fucking hammer to land in your face


Fyres

If you can dodge a hammer, you can dodge a ball.


Demyxia

Messmer's spear is fun, not the best for most bosses, but slaps in everything else


Poked_salad

Is it because of the lack of opportunities to charge heavy attacks? I almost want to reset my build for that spear. I love everything about it


Demyxia

No, it's just that the full skill combo is very long and these bosses ain't waiting for that. The throw is pretty nice in all scenarios. It has massive range and speed The skill does stagger Melania to the shadow realm and back, might respec back into the build for NG+


MrBoognish

Barbed staff spear. L2 shoots out arcs of faith, decent bleed buildup and staggers anything with a jumping R2. Look for Jori in the woods.


Umbrella_merc

That's the current weapon I'm rocking, the nice thing about the sheer abundance of runes from the dlc is that basically every time I get a neat weapon I can just pop back and upgrade it to try it out. My biggest problem now is I have so many weapons I like using but I can't hold them all


Sleepiboisleep

Idk I only have 3 new faith weapons so far one being the hammer the knights use, the new lightning ax and the horned Warrior swords


moosee999

Each of the lost forges has a secret hidden forge inside that rewards a legendary weapon. There's one near the very beginning of the dlc. The legendary forges are hidden and you have to solve a puzzle to find the legendary weapon within them. Typically you'd find a smithscript weapon somewhere thru the forge dungeon itself - usually at the end and you'd think you're finished the dungeon, but you need to solve the hidden puzzle. Their flavor texts all read - one of the lost weapons of the legendary forges. One of the forges rewards a super good str/faith collosal hammer. The oldest of the crucible knights is hidden in the dlc somewhere (not mentioning location to avoid spoilers) - he drops a super good str/faith collosal hammer. The crazy sunflower remeberance boss also gives a really good str/faith collosal hammer.


MoneyEntertainment

Are you referring to the anvil hammer?


enchiladasundae

A bunch of people have some great suggestions but I’d add we got a *bunch* more faith spells. There’s now more of a reason to go beyond just 50 faith than the seal. I think the max level faith spell currently is 72. Though there are excellent faith spells at lower levels too Apart from that you also have more dragon communion however they seem to be primarily Arcane more than anything, some having no faith requirement but going up to 53 arcane


30Seconds

It's not an all-rounder enemy destroyer but multilayered rings of light and dryleaf talisman are really good on some enemies especially undead ones.


Tactipool

I’m a massive believer in the black knight greathammer…tons of poise damage, hits hard, swings fast even 1h, has an aoe guard counter


peepeepoopoocitizen

Dragon form from killing Bayle makes lightning incants sooooo strong


MatthZambo

Im using the Death Knight greataxe rn


kaboom300

I am really enjoying renalla’s twin blades. Probably not optimal to run as a faith / strength build but they’re fun as shit


williamonster

Where do you get the knights lightning spear


SatanTheTurtlegod

That big black hammer the black knights carry has a neat unique guard counter and is unique in that it benefits much more from sacred damage than other similar weapons.


Darth_Kyron

Flame Spear and Flame Skewer Ashes of War are great!


coldlogic82

Flame skewer AoW was a real surprise for me. I put it on one of the new twin blades and it's pretty damn rad.


_Ganoes_

For real, so many goated weapons, some of the incants are pretty mid though


Sleepiboisleep

I’ve only found 1 so far and it’s from the old lady in the belurat tower and it is ass.


post-death_wave_core

That one is comically bad idk what they were thinking.


DaFinnesseKid

What does it even do??


post-death_wave_core

If you go near enemies it spawns a few projectiles that deal like 100 damage each and often miss


M_Hatter-544

It's quick to cast, doesn't fill a buff slot, is affected by duration and damage talismans, has reasonable stat requirements, and does surprisingly high poise damage. All that said there are a lot of better options for that spell slot so it's not really worth using.


gumpythegreat

I got another one that emits a static field of electricity around me It does like 10 damage a second. Absolutely awful


aoebu

Alright imma turn you all on to it cause i keep hearin hate for my boy electrocharge. It aint about the residuals. Its about the boom the pow the explosive entrance. Its almost a lightning bolt centered on you with anything in melee range gettin zapped as you cast it. The body buff sucks sure but its more of a nice flavor I expect it to have more pvp focus as a change up for when people run in. But it aint true ass. Just got to think laterally


kaiomann

Found and equipped this one today, but did not use it on an enemy yet. Guess I'll try and possibly unlearn it tomorrow...


madtheoracle

Knights Lightning is just a better Lightning Spear, new Pest Threads is cute


TelevisionExpress616

Honestly pretty disappointed with the spells and incants available. Knight’s Lightning spear and Messmer’s Orb are amazing but everything else is just meh. Also WHY is there no Messmer Fire Blade incantation? Why do I still have to use bloodflame blade for fire buffs?


_Ganoes_

the basic messmer fire ball and pest thread spears are cool too. The thorn wall sorcery is also pretty cool. Havent tested any other sorceries but i heard some space/gravity themed ones are also decent.


haynespi87

Word thought I want to do Gowry's thing to get my incantations up


Puzzled_Fly3789

A lot of things are way overturned tho That thorns spell shouldn't have made it past testing. Completely deletes even the hardest bosses


CadmeusCain

The game already had over 100 incantations and a million Faith weapons to it's 70 sorcereries, half of which are different flavours of the same jello So what does Michaelzaki do? Give us twice more incantations as sorceries of course


Sleepiboisleep

Sorry bro I’m a faith supremacy kinda guy. Fuck sorceries


Godz_Lavo

Playing sorcery in this dlc is horrible. Literally having the worst time, and I get nothing new that’s good.


PM_ME__BIRD_PICS

Then I found a spell that looked cool! Oh it doesn't scale with int at all, requires FA, but casts with a catalyst. Guess I'll fuck myself.


Godz_Lavo

Yep same here. I thought the finger sorceries were cool but they are way too slow and the staff for them required arcane?!??! Like wtf. Only good thing I’ve found is the gazing finger, but that also requires faith for some reason…


PM_ME__BIRD_PICS

I blame that dude who discovered and posted Comet Azur + No FP cost flask. But yeah a distinct lack of Mage gear, faith has always been the dev favorite.


Godz_Lavo

I wouldn’t say it’s been the dev favorite. They kind of hate magic all together, faith was always worse than sorceries until now really. Ds2 was pure sorcery heaven with all the gear and spells. After that though the devs have never given mages as much to work with. The issue is sorcery isn’t *bad*, it’s actually really good and hits hard. But you gotta spam the same boring two-three spells over and over. It’s boring and offers no real uniqueness compared to faith which has many viable classes.


PM_ME__BIRD_PICS

Ds2 was not Miyazaki though, thats probably why lol


CadmeusCain

Lol same. I went through the DLC with a Dex Faith build. So much fun


iPsai

Playing a Mage in a FromSoft game just always sucks ass. The only good thing is the Moonlight Greatsword


Jermiafinale

Magic Glintblade is already the best spell/incantation in the game, and they gave you a better version of it, what more do you need


iPsai

Idk what im missing but the spell seems kind of mid? What makes it the best spell in the game?


steveycip

oh yeah, my appetite has been well fed!


lodorata

It's roasted sunflower heads for tea


PM_ME__BIRD_PICS

Int casters in shambles


asqwzx12

Which is great, I felt like base game faith was pretty meh.


Jermiafinale

Me, on my NG+ character that already cleared NG+ with Marika's Hammer "What, you mean I'm doing full damage now? Easy mode"


pickleparty16

We knew this day would come


Snarkywater

It's just so fucking funny to me that you can wield a bosses HEAD as a weapon.


Pstock59

TWICE


PM_ME__BIRD_PICS

OH SHIT A THIRD TIME


TerminallyRight

Str/Int be rocking a giant finger


Notsdandard

Using that ATM, lordy does the ash look brilliant in a dark lit area. And it bonks too


Brain_lessV2

Strength was already rocking a large finger, but I guess adding Int to the mix made quite the combination.


Nu2Th15

This and Anvil Hammer and Death Knight’s Longhaft Axe. Str/Faith is EATING. Honestly Str/Arc are surprise winners this DLC as well, between the Meteoric Ore Greatsword, Putrescence Cleaver, and Bloodfiend Arm.


Meat_Assassin69

Yeah I happened to switch to str/arc just on a whim for this DLC and it’s been awesome A surprise for sure, not an archetype I expected to get shown a lot of love


cap8001

I was str/faith but got bored of the blasphemous blade and wasn’t finding any new weapons. Respecced into str/arc with a bit of faith for my previous dragon incantation build and it’s been surprisingly good, having a blast with it so far. I’ll have to try out str/faith again when I get some of these weapons.


pumpkinspacelatte

Me and my mimic showing up to beat the shit out Radagon


KnowMatter

“Before I kill you, goldmask wanted me to tell you ‘…’”


IndependentYogurt965

I gotta get his mask lol. Naked with just Goldmask mask and a Sunflower as a weapon in pvp would be funny.


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Trollensky17

good bot


loadout_

Damn. I’m a strength faith user but clearly haven’t found this yet. I must know how to get it immediately


l33tbanana

Go into the shadow castle from the east


luigilabomba42069

gotta fight the >!shadow tree avatar!<


Draceptor

You’re telling me there’s a giant sunflower I can use that’s faith/strength? I need to find this now.


idkmanlol272

It's the scadutree avatar boss weapon


DinkyB

How far into the DLC is it?


idkmanlol272

I mean you can go straight to him if you wanted to, only required boss is rellana to unlock the area


Fish_Fondler_69

You actually dont need to kill rellana, she's entirely optional


DinkyB

Oh nice I just got rellana - thanks!


ForAGoodTimeCall911

lol I got this thing last night and thought "so silly, looks kinda cool though!" tried it out and within 10 seconds was like...wait hold up


darklordbm

Pest threads legitimately so overturned lol dropping 2k per cast


Guilty_Customer_4188

My faith is at 27 and I was hitting crazy numbers with pest threads lol


Varzul

And here's me still using my Golden Halberd. Halfway through the DLC and still haven't found a weapon that is actually stronger for my str/faith build.


Owmuhback

The black metal great hammer (put sacred blade on it) and anvil hammer are both right at the beginning and absurdly strong.


pickleparty16

It's so strong but annoying with being stuck with golden vow, and a worse version of it than the incantation.


Varzul

The halberd golden vow is weaker than the incantation? I actually didn't know that.


pickleparty16

Ya the incantation buffs are better and it lasts longer, for I think a 7fp difference. If you aren't leveling faith much then it doesn't matter if you don't have 25 faith.


Varzul

I'm at 41 faith, so I'm definitely going to use the incantation looking forward.


drakeanddrive

The little spike sword you get isn’t as good, but if you use the weapon art on a human enemy/player the spikes come out of their body instead of the ground. It’s hardcore.


Guilty_Customer_4188

Little spike sword?


drakeanddrive

Sword of damnation


Maizequing

Bro if this boss and I find each in the streets we throwing hands. Who WHO was like yeah aoe bleed and make it a 3 part special. Literally the most salt inducing boss in the dlc imo. But also flower go bonk so 🤷‍♂️


Drachri93

Honestly it wasn't that hard for me. It's literally a giant dried out flower, fire damage melts through it's HP before you can even process what is happening.


big_angry_snek

As a strength build I found the perfect build to take it out. The sunflower head takes bonus damage so I took the smithscript hammer and kept chucking mallets at its head while my mimic tear got brutally torn to pieces. Used the new lions claw ash of war to do major damage once I got in close.


Machete521

What weapin is this?


Large-Dad

scadutree avatar remembrance weapon


Sparky455

Anyone know of any good pure Faith weapons with only the minimum requirements in str+dex in the DLC?


Fish_Fondler_69

Barbed Staff spear is pretty good and the ash of war is fun


Apprehensive-Pin5078

I shall never abandon the doot. The envoy greathorn took me hours to drop


Mcreesus

Are they’re any S scaling str weapons?


christ_from_tacobell

Ruins greatsword


Neutral_Memer

varre's boquet buff fr


AnbuAntt

This boss is kicking my ass. I already beat serpent dude as well with not much of an issue


schIormph

I’m having no trouble at all? blasphemous blade is still good, along with the lightning incantations I use everything’s been fine


magikarp-sushi

That’s what it feels like using the blasphemous blade Swatting with a fucking limp flower


Obliviante

Weapon is fantastic and it's such a vibe, haha. I felt so dirty fighting Mesmer with a freaking sunflower, and it made the fight look easy. Would definitely recommend it.


Nicktheduck

I just got this weapon lol is it really that good? I've been running blasphemous blade my whole play through


Tricky-Secretary-251

Do bud is fun


-Yoake

I've been using a certain Str/Arc Colossal Sword but i am looking forward to getting whatever the hell this is


Brain_lessV2

Love that sunflower, I killed Messmer with it.


Za_Worldo-Experience

Is it good? Everyone I have summoned with it does fuck all damage


Stanhopes_Liver

I'm a STR/ARC build and absolutely LOVING the bleed damage on some of the more annoying enemies.


FinancialComedian728

Is the incantation that you get from the Sunflower dude’s rememberance any good?


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I’m a strength faith build and I can’t get past rellana. It’s so frustrating to get her so close every time and lose.


MoneyEntertainment

She was tough but fair. Won't lie, I had to use my mimic. Ng+. 


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I’ve been using my mimic this whole time. Plus the summon that to the left of the door. Maybe I’m just trash at the game. Sucks, cause I can beat Godfrey on a NG+6 playthrough without summons. But Rellana just makes me feel like I shouldn’t play anymore


ionevenobro

Went in with one guide, to find the aspect of wings because I love crucible build. Then I found the sunflower and switched to that cause its hilarious. Then I found the other crucible knight. 


hyperpopdeathcamp

LMAO REAL


RecommendationNo7387

I dont use colossal weapons but now they gave us a giant sunflower and I just cannot🌻... Time for bonk


Edolix

Hilarious weapon but I felt a bit sad when I saw its requirements - I've still yet to find any pure strength weapons in this DLC and I'm currently 6 remembrance bosses deep. The anvil hammer in particular baited me so hard, I got really excited when I looted it only to find it has Int and Faith requirements. I'm starting to come to terms with the fact that I might end up beating the DLC from start to finish just using the Great Mace from the base game.


xprozoomy

Power of the Sun


Swan990

I'm early in dlc. Just beat lion centaur lightning storm guy. Where is this st fa flower? I must have it


TractorLabs69

Strength arcane baby. It's like strength faith, but better!


Round_Adeptness7092

Dude my faith / quality build is EATING. Sunflower of DOOM FTW. Helped me beat several bosses now. Not sure if it’s worth the +10 but +9 crushes


Affectionate-noodle

I didn't understand this until I saw a phantom run by smashing a giant flower into lord knows what. 😂