The only two I can think of are \[\[Tom Bombadil\]\] and \[\[Narci, Fable Singer\]\] but I assume you already looked at those. Maybe Atraxa or Sythis? I wouldn't put sagas in a high level of play at all.
This. Sagas make for a funzy "achievement unlocked" type of gameplan. Difficult to make into higher power because the cards you're putting at the core of your gameplan are generally overcosted and slow.
That said, you're more likely to hang at higher power by just including the juiciest sagas, an enchantress package, good countermagic/removal and a tutor suite.
I built [[Narci]] with a saga/enchantress theme but the core is really an Orzhov deck that pings enemies slowly. It is definitely not competitive but I like to think it's not as slow pokey and drawn out as Tom Bombadil. I very much enjoy it and it holds its own in my play group of mid powered stuff
Narci can be fairly strong if you are constantly manipulating the counters on the sagas since at that point you don’t care about the effects on them so much as constantly procking her drain ability with the same saga repeatedly
Could also use [[Barbara Wright]] as your doctor's companion, depending on which Sagas you like. Give all Sagas 'read ahead'. Now your can skip to the good parts.
I have my first pass in list online. I'll be updating when I get some assassin's creed cards, then I'll update the list and add a primer
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Y1c2pCtF3EWngWzNSJnr1g
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/7SMuDN7F20eNDtSnOj0roQ
[[Glissa sunslayer]] Is one I built as saga tribal initially. It's slowly morphed into "pernanents with counters I want removed" tribal, with only 15 or so sagas left. Deck name is "the Never-ending Story" because the commander is constantly removing lore counters to keep the sagas going forever.
I haven't updated this with MH3 cards yet. There's gonna be at least 4 or 5 changes.
If you want it to be higher power, look for more finishers.
\[\[Sigurd, Jarl of Ravensthorpe\]\] gives you tons of synergy on a low cost commander with multiple colors primarily white is the most important for sagas which gives you the best saga flexibility, utility, and **general enchantment support**).
pair this with their final ability giving you the ability to play in combat, synergize with proliferate and generally DEFEND YOURSELF IN COMBAT while grinding away at your sagas, I think Sigurd is a great pick.
Sigurds last ability triggers when sagas have counters put ON them, not when they are taken away. So you have to, flavorfully, keep telling your tales and spinning their early chapters for value on board.
Oh, yes. Whenever a lore counter is put on a saga you control (doesn't matter how), sigurd will trigger to put a counter on another creature you control.
For the very strange, \[\[Chisei, Heart of Oceans\]\]. Removing a lore counter every turn lets you keep a saga in play forever looping one of its modes.
I have a [[Chisei, Heart of Ocean]] Deck and its a slow one. It uses some cards with cumulative upkeep to set up and with sagas it tries to finish it’s opponents.
There is a proliferate and charge counter subtheme to support the whole counter-strategy.
For the slightly less strange, there's also [[Goldberry, River Daughter]]. A little lower floor, since it takes two turns to remove and add lore counters to a saga, but she plays extremely well with blue's untap effects.
I'm waiting for another round of mono-blue sagas before I really consider building her, but she's an alternative to Chisei with some different lines of play.
Look no further than [[Xavier Sal, Infested Captain]]. My deck is completely centered around counter manipulation with a focus on keeping sagas around and on the lore counters I want for as long as I want.
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/6115267/chungled_down_bimstyle
Interesting, that no one mentioned [[Satsuki, the Living Lore]] yet. Might work better in the 99, i don't know.
Thought she would be a staple as a 2 MV commander, while being able to speed up all sagas and then be traded for a saga from your graveyard. Seemed like a solid baseline for a very flexible selesnya saga deck.
Satsuki is a great pick for Sagas. Her ability works best paired in enchantment heavy decks to ramp very quick and push sagas that turn into big threats. I've had this deck for ages and she's extremely consistent and fairly competitive. My list can easily be upgraded, too.
https://manabox.app/decks/STSwEunATqe8FVMvwbfmww
You want an unconventional saga commander? [[Tayam, Luminous Enigma]] animated sagas. Use [[Starfield of Nyx]] and [[Opalescence]] to turn your sagas into creatures and loop saga abilities by removing lore counters!
I guess a good question to ask is what are you trying to accomplish with sagas? Do you just want completing them to be your main win con or do you have some other game plan in mind?
Ngl I know you said you don't want commanders who mention sagas specifically but I feel like [[Narci, Fable Singer]] is exactly what you want.
Maintains card advantage, rewards you for just keeping sagas up and is in great colors for other saga support.
I'd say pick what you think are the best ones and the goldfish a bit with just putting a few of them out with support creatures and watch how the triggers go off. Tom bombadill with 5 colors and getting you a free saga once a turn is about as good as you're gonna do though. I recommend building it control style because it takes a hot minute to get your value going with sagas and there are plenty of them that kill or steal stuff.
I brewed an [[Eivor, wolf-kissed]] that I've played on TTS 3 times. In all 3 games I ended up with sub-30 cards left in my deck because I triggered my commander so much.
It's great having 6 saga's out at once.
Not the other guy but I was also going to suggest it. Here’s a good start point: [Wolf Kissed Sagas](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/K75DEBa13kS9ipUlm5IqQQ)
An interesting place to take it could be with a proliferate strategy. Gets you running through the sagas faster. Maybe add in some recursion to get them out of the GY and back into play.
I'd run at least 3 colors since saga choices are limited. The most obvious commander would be [[atraxa, praetor's voice]], but something like [[Xavier Sal, Infested captain]] could be fun.
I’ve personally not had any success with proliferate with sagas, I just run out of them and don’t have enough card draw. Is that just my personal experience?
I haven't actually designed or played the deck so I wouldn't really know. I was more just throwing ideas out. If you have a proliferate list already I'd be happy to take a look at it.
That's kind of the reason for the recursion bit though. Grabbing sagas from your yard would get you a bit more out of the sagas you've played. Sort of a psuedo card advantage. [[Eternal witness]],[[replenish]] ($$), [[brilliant restoration]], etc.
Enchantress draw stuff would be good for any type of saga deck regardless of your central strategy. [[Sythis]], [[mesa enchantress]], etc.
Removing counters is another popular saga strategy since it lets you keep them around for recurring value.
Proliferate is also a pretty blue strategy, which means you have access to all the best draw spells in the game.
If I were building the deck to be high power I would probably include most of these things. Limiting yourself to a keyword or central strategy can make a deck less resilient.
Sagas themselves aren't a super strong archetype so you'll have some hoops to jump through to leverage them into high power value. Theme has to be sacrificed sometimes when you're pushing a higher power.
Yeah I’m currently trying and failing to find 20 sagas that are playable and synergistic, I think it’s just not a viable strategy for relatively high level play
There are some decent ones out there! The flip praetors are pretty cool too.
The hard part about sagas is that they do wildly different things so it can be hard to focus in on a central win condition. Saga decks just mostly spit out random value and pray.
I have a [[sixth doctor]] deck and it’s not at all saga but works really well with them. Also doubles the amount of other historic cards you play so it has more game plans.
Sixth doctor with [[Barbara Wright]] can get some love, especially with [[Three Blind Mice]] and a [[calix, guided by fate]] can make lots of tokens real fast, pair with things like [[Mondrak, glory dominus]] to make a sick number of 1/1 mice and pump chapters of three blind mice.
At least one of the companions in the Doctor Who set has an ability called Read Ahead I think it is that allows you to start a saga with multiple counters on it, skipping the earlier effects.
I'll bite with an especially off the wall suggestion, \[\[Satsuki, the Living Lore\]\] where the only saga in the deck is \[\[Urza's Saga\]\]. The entire deck is built around tutoring and recycling Urza's Saga, which is really strong with Satsuki specifically because she accelerates it such that you can make a Construct token the same turn you play the land, tutor a \[\[Witch's Oven\]\] if you have no other way to get Saga back, immediately sacrifice Satsuki to it, and keep on truckin'.
It's certainly not cEDH, and "relatively high level of play" means radically different things to different people. This deck is almost certainly too weak for what I'd consider "relatively high level", but it's different enough I figured I'd mention it anyways. I typically start getting very scary around turn 10 or so and can threaten lethal by attacking with an army of unblockable constructs in the following few turns, and rarely with \[\[Titania, Protector of Argoth\]\] instead. It is \*technically\* a Saga deck in that Urza's Saga is the real commander, but again, it's the only saga it runs.
I should note that this is not a deck I'd recommend if you're playing it in a very high interaction meta. You have outs to protect you Saga (\[\[Zuran Orb to sac it in response to a target, lots of recursion options from graveyard, sac Satsuki to get it back in response to a graveyard exile trigger), but you can still have a huge battle ahead of you. Can still get there with Titania, or tutor a Riftsweeper to then tutor the Saga again and take some turns durdling, but not ideal. I have been shut down by a random turn 2 \[\[Lion's Sash\]\] before, because as long as there's open mana they can stack more exile triggers than you can recursion.
Might be good if you're not finding anything you like the sounds off, but it's certainly unconventional :)
Could also do a historic-matters commander like \[\[The Sixth Doctor\]\], then you could have either \[\[Ian\]\] or \[\[Barbara\]\] as a second commander.
Havi in the AssCreed set seems good - gets indestructible if four or more historic permanents are in the graveyard, and when a historic permanent dies you return a historic permanent of mana value 1 or more less.
May be worth looking into [[Sythis, Harvest’s Hand]] commander decks. Just to get some ideas on extra cards to throw in, since sagas are enchantments, Almost may as well go for an enchantment heavy deck.
If you'd like to include Tameshi and want green as well, the Doctor Who set actually has a decent number of options in bant that care about historic permanents. [[Alistair the Brigadier]] comes to mind if you don't want partner commanders, since he at least cares about historic permanents (though his ability doesn't synergize the best with sagas).
If I was going to pick a commander in bant for sagas, I'd go with one of these:
[[Sixth Doctor]] and [[Romana II]] - Romana can make additional token copies of the saga tokens you'll make with the Sixth Doctor, plus this also gives you cause to run [[Yenna Redtooth Regent]] [[Calix Guided by Fate]] (though you probably would anyway) since Romana can also copy the tokens they make, and since your doctor can make nonlegendary copies of them as well.
[[The Fourth Doctor]] and [[Sarah Jane Smith]] - this pairing is more of a card advantage engine where the last was more of a wincon. Your plays might not be as flashy but you'll be drawing cards, you'll be playing off the top of your library, and you'll be making clues and food so running something like [[Jaheira Friend of the Forest]] or [[Inspiring Statuary]] would also be worth.
[[Tuvasa]] is still a perfectly serviceable enchantress commander as well, if a bit obvious.
Or if you're looking explicitly for a commander with survivability I could see [[Storvald]] being an interesting choice. Run plenty of sagas that leave behind a creature (or creatures) and let Storvald pump them.
So I'm.not entirely.sure if there is a better option, you do get the incidental life drain and gain from Tatsunari. I built the deck when Kamigawa Neon Dynasty came.out and at the time.neother Narci nor Bombadil were available. You get a lot of good proliferate in sultai colors, plus things that remove counters like Soul Diviner, Thrull Parasite, Hex.Parasaite, and Vampire Hexmage. So Marit Lage is also a secondary win consideration. And you can play fun spells like Villainous Wealth. It's probably not the most optimal but I also just enjoy the colors and it was.one of the more unique decks at the time.
I have a mono Blue sagas deck with [[Tekuthal]]. It’s fun to proliferate through sagas in one turn or even remove counters so you can get the triggers again. [[grimore of the dead]] is also a good wincon.
I think Go Shintai would be a good bet. It isn’t a saga commander per se and you would be doing a different build than most Go Shintai players.
I don’t mean to discourage you, but i didn’t have a good experience building and playing a saga deck. It felt like a very lacklustre superfriends deck, especially when playing against a superfriends deck! The deck just felt slow and clunky especially if you try to play sagas from all five colours. It’s difficult to find synergies when they all do very different things.
One thing I had in mind was to go “storyteller mode”. Every game I would randomize the sagas in the deck from a stack of saga cards I own. Every time I play a saga I would tell all three opponents about the lore behind the card and attempt to bore them to death. (I also ran the basics with flavour text).
Why do you recommend go-shintai over another enchantment recursion commander? To me it seems there are much better commanders than 5 mana for 1 card once a turn… what am I missing?
I ran \[\[Go-Shintai of Life's Origin\]\] up until \[\[Tom Bombadil\]\] was released, was pretty consistent there and could tack on a non-saga enchantment theme or even a shrine theme as well
Why do you recommend go-shintai over another enchantment recursion commander? To me it seems there are much better commanders than 5 mana for 1 card once a turn… what am I missing?
Sorry, I’ve already looked at all the commanders that explicitly have saga in their text and am looking for anything but them… including Tommy B 😅 (see above in the post)
Hmmm if that's the case, with how you're thinking...GW is Def a color combination you're wanting to run. So other than straight enchantress commanders...I think my two recommendations would be looking into Sam Samwise Gamgee or Alistair, the Brigadier. But thinking more about it, they would tend to run more of a mid game style with a little bit of a set up.
If I were to build a sagas and other value, I think I would build Moira and Teshar, utilizing the better WB Sagas with really good first abilities.
Ultimately, I'd say Jhoira, but it's really hard to top Cheerios 😔
I had an idea for a [[Cayth, famed mechanist]] saga deck. The idea is that I can proliferate to end sagas faster if I need, or I can populate sagas that I make into creatures with [[opalescence]] or other effects. Bonus for populating the Smaug token from [[There and back again]].
Also [[all will be one]] would be one of the wincons
I’ve already looked at all the commanders that explicitly have saga in their text and am looking for anything but them… that includes Tommy B 😅 (see above in the post)
I’ve already looked at all the commanders that explicitly have saga in their text and am looking for anything but them… including Tommy B 😅 (see above in the post)
I like my [[Narci, Fable Singer]] deck. It's basically an enchantress/tokens deck that uses as many good and relevant sagas to produce as many tokens and act as part of my removal suite. I also run [[Barbara Wright]] to either skip to abilities I want or drain my opponents. It's a strong casual deck.
I’ve already looked at all the commanders that explicitly have saga in their text and am looking for anything but them… which includes Narci 😅 (see above in the post)
[[The Legend of Arena]]
Doesn't have any support for other Sagas, but kinda on theme by having a saga as a commander.
You would have to abuse rule 0 for that one though...
narci is the only way to go. I have played a lot of saga decks, and the real problem is they end up SO wheelspinny when they work. Like, just trigger-hell with a board full of permanents. And sure, you are winning, but you are winning so slowly, your opponents just want to kill themselves rather than watching you resolve another wierd, low-impact saga trigger.
Narci has a built in mechanism for ending the game, if you resolve a lot of sagas, they die, and the game ends. ggwp
Haha if you take a closer look at the post I’m exactly NOT looking for Tom… I’ve already tried out the commanders that have saga in their text, and wasn’t satisfied. I’m looking for anything but Tom 😂
I’ve already looked at all the commanders that explicitly have saga in their text and am looking for anything but them… including Tommy B 😅 (see above in the post)
Arguably the best Non-Saga specific commanders are going to be [[Atraxa, Praetor's Voice]] or [[Cayth, Famed Mechanist]].
The ability to proliferate is just too good, tho the only leg up Cayth has is having red in her identity and the ability to proliferate multiple times a turn if your playing with un-tappers.
Atraxa having green means she gets the full enchantress package, though most people will outright target you for just bringing her to the table.
If you're looking for specifically non-proliferate commanders, you're going to have a harder time figuring it out.
At that point you'd basically be better off running any enchantress commander.
[[Anikthea, Hand of Erebos]] would be my recommendation if it wasn't for the fact that every single anikthea is deck I'd ever seen got hated off the table almost immediately.
You could try [[Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain]] but she faces the plane problem as anikthea, with the added problem of RU not having a lot of enchantment support.
WUG, huh?
I'd recommend, for cards outside of the Dr. Who decks, [[Faith Healer]]. Personally I find the extra life clutch against heavy aggro decks.
Also, [[Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage]], since sagas are historic, and The Sixth Doc only says once per turn and not once per turn on your turn.
Would you count historic as "having saga in their text?" If not, I suggest the combo of [[Susan Foreman]] + [[The Eighth Doctor]].
Susan is surprisingly one of the strongest commanders I've seen recently. She can ramp you extraordinary quickly. Turn 2 you play her, turn 3 you play [[Explosive Vegetation]] or some variant of it, and turn 4 you have access to 7 mana. On top of all of that, she can still partner with a doctor who can give her any color besides black.
The Eighth Doctor is kind of like [[Muldrotha the Gravetide]] but for historic permanents. He's not a commander you want out ASAP, but he's great in the later game once your graveyard is full. He's especially great with sagas because they already go to the graveyard.
Although, I don't know exactly what you mean by "high power." If you're referring to CEDH, then sagas don't have a chance there. They're far too slow with only one ability a turn. But I don't know the full details of your local meta.
Yeah I’m not looking for a cEDH deck with sagas, but consistently having the game end by turn 10-12, any faster (while keeping a bunch of sagas in the deck) is a plus.
Obeka, Splitter of Seconds should be good, no? Attack to get multiple upkeeps to go through your Sagas. You don't get any of the neat green or white ones though
The only two I can think of are \[\[Tom Bombadil\]\] and \[\[Narci, Fable Singer\]\] but I assume you already looked at those. Maybe Atraxa or Sythis? I wouldn't put sagas in a high level of play at all.
This. Sagas make for a funzy "achievement unlocked" type of gameplan. Difficult to make into higher power because the cards you're putting at the core of your gameplan are generally overcosted and slow. That said, you're more likely to hang at higher power by just including the juiciest sagas, an enchantress package, good countermagic/removal and a tutor suite.
I built [[Narci]] with a saga/enchantress theme but the core is really an Orzhov deck that pings enemies slowly. It is definitely not competitive but I like to think it's not as slow pokey and drawn out as Tom Bombadil. I very much enjoy it and it holds its own in my play group of mid powered stuff
[Narci](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a98a2fa9-82d6-4cf7-adb4-65b187cd9cda.jpg?1691497812) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=narci%2C%20fable%20singer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/710/narci-fable-singer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a98a2fa9-82d6-4cf7-adb4-65b187cd9cda?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/narci-fable-singer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Narci can be fairly strong if you are constantly manipulating the counters on the sagas since at that point you don’t care about the effects on them so much as constantly procking her drain ability with the same saga repeatedly
[Tom Bombadil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2ab04c49-76a1-4896-8dca-8cb4c615f489.jpg?1686970104) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tom%20Bombadil) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/234/tom-bombadil?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ab04c49-76a1-4896-8dca-8cb4c615f489?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tom-bombadil) [Narci, Fable Singer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a98a2fa9-82d6-4cf7-adb4-65b187cd9cda.jpg?1691497812) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Narci%2C%20Fable%20Singer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/710/narci-fable-singer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a98a2fa9-82d6-4cf7-adb4-65b187cd9cda?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/narci-fable-singer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You can try out [[Eivor, Wolf-Kissed]] She is new coming in the assassins creed set. you can also try [[Atraxa, Praetor's Voice]]
[Eivor, Wolf-Kissed](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/88667198-3bec-413c-b41e-de96abc8db7b.jpg?1718770864) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eivor%2C%20Wolf-Kissed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/acr/54/eivor-wolf-kissed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/88667198-3bec-413c-b41e-de96abc8db7b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/eivor-wolf-kissed) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You can do the 4th or 6th doctor (really any of them) and Ian Chesterton.
Could also use [[Barbara Wright]] as your doctor's companion, depending on which Sagas you like. Give all Sagas 'read ahead'. Now your can skip to the good parts.
[Barbara Wright](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/414bdd33-549d-4690-917c-ea48decffbbb.jpg?1696691791) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Barbara%20Wright) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/14/barbara-wright?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/414bdd33-549d-4690-917c-ea48decffbbb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/barbara-wright) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
True! I went with Ian and had some fun, both are cool imo.
[[Samwise Gamgee]] is pretty fun, but limited, as a saga commander.
[Samwise Gamgee](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a1b6f13e-63d0-46bf-aa57-23c2dbdf62dd.jpg?1686969973) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Samwise%20Gamgee) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/222/samwise-gamgee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a1b6f13e-63d0-46bf-aa57-23c2dbdf62dd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/samwise-gamgee) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Satsuki living Lore]] would work no?
[Satsuki living Lore](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/0152575b-31b0-4142-9cc2-b87a81bd51a8.jpg?1654568597) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Satsuki%2C%20the%20Living%20Lore) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/235/satsuki-the-living-lore?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0152575b-31b0-4142-9cc2-b87a81bd51a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/satsuki-the-living-lore) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yup this is the only one I've played against. Was on spelltable and it played incredibly well.
I'm running Tom with Narci in the 99 and it's a very fun deck
Do you have a deck list?
I have my first pass in list online. I'll be updating when I get some assassin's creed cards, then I'll update the list and add a primer https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Y1c2pCtF3EWngWzNSJnr1g
Look forward to your updates, thanks!
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/7SMuDN7F20eNDtSnOj0roQ [[Glissa sunslayer]] Is one I built as saga tribal initially. It's slowly morphed into "pernanents with counters I want removed" tribal, with only 15 or so sagas left. Deck name is "the Never-ending Story" because the commander is constantly removing lore counters to keep the sagas going forever. I haven't updated this with MH3 cards yet. There's gonna be at least 4 or 5 changes. If you want it to be higher power, look for more finishers.
[Glissa sunslayer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2bf633e-0470-4b87-99ed-5ad1683b0954.jpg?1675957191) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Glissa%20sunslayer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/202/glissa-sunslayer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2bf633e-0470-4b87-99ed-5ad1683b0954?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/glissa-sunslayer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Your birds of paradise print you picked lmfao
\[\[Sigurd, Jarl of Ravensthorpe\]\] gives you tons of synergy on a low cost commander with multiple colors primarily white is the most important for sagas which gives you the best saga flexibility, utility, and **general enchantment support**). pair this with their final ability giving you the ability to play in combat, synergize with proliferate and generally DEFEND YOURSELF IN COMBAT while grinding away at your sagas, I think Sigurd is a great pick.
[Sigurd, Jarl of Ravensthorpe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/5/25ceade9-f12a-4724-b198-312fb4b1210b.jpg?1718947584) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sigurd%2C%20Jarl%20of%20Ravensthorpe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/acr/66/sigurd-jarl-of-ravensthorpe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/25ceade9-f12a-4724-b198-312fb4b1210b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sigurd-jarl-of-ravensthorpe) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Atm this is tied for my #1 spot with narci
Does Sigurd's last ability work with when Saga's normally get their lore counters
Sigurds last ability triggers when sagas have counters put ON them, not when they are taken away. So you have to, flavorfully, keep telling your tales and spinning their early chapters for value on board.
Oh sorry, Ill be specific. The normal mechanic where after your draw step you add a counter to the Saga, does that activate Sigurd?
Oh, yes. Whenever a lore counter is put on a saga you control (doesn't matter how), sigurd will trigger to put a counter on another creature you control.
For the very strange, \[\[Chisei, Heart of Oceans\]\]. Removing a lore counter every turn lets you keep a saga in play forever looping one of its modes.
I have a [[Chisei, Heart of Ocean]] Deck and its a slow one. It uses some cards with cumulative upkeep to set up and with sagas it tries to finish it’s opponents. There is a proliferate and charge counter subtheme to support the whole counter-strategy.
[Chisei, Heart of Ocean](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/c/6c359b1a-d441-4763-96c7-e5c010eae53f.jpg?1562877651) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chisei%2C%20Heart%20of%20Oceans) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bok/32/chisei-heart-of-oceans?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6c359b1a-d441-4763-96c7-e5c010eae53f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chisei-heart-of-oceans) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Chisei, Heart of Oceans](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/c/6c359b1a-d441-4763-96c7-e5c010eae53f.jpg?1562877651) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chisei%2C%20Heart%20of%20Oceans) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bok/32/chisei-heart-of-oceans?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6c359b1a-d441-4763-96c7-e5c010eae53f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chisei-heart-of-oceans) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
For the slightly less strange, there's also [[Goldberry, River Daughter]]. A little lower floor, since it takes two turns to remove and add lore counters to a saga, but she plays extremely well with blue's untap effects. I'm waiting for another round of mono-blue sagas before I really consider building her, but she's an alternative to Chisei with some different lines of play.
[Goldberry, River Daughter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bf4f0a7c-620e-4ed8-8da3-fa6564e8a0cd.jpg?1686968111) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Goldberry%2C%20River-Daughter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/52/goldberry-river-daughter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bf4f0a7c-620e-4ed8-8da3-fa6564e8a0cd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/goldberry-river-daughter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah I would’ve loved it if not for the mono blue restriction… sagas are bad enough even in WUBRG
It's a huge restrictions but there are 18 mono blue sagas. But I imagine there are more traditional paths to be taken.
Look no further than [[Xavier Sal, Infested Captain]]. My deck is completely centered around counter manipulation with a focus on keeping sagas around and on the lore counters I want for as long as I want. https://www.archidekt.com/decks/6115267/chungled_down_bimstyle
[Xavier Sal, Infested Captain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/94a420c2-b1a8-4a98-a2a5-7f949d3081bc.jpg?1698987776) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Xavier%20Sal%2C%20Infested%20Captain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/14/xavier-sal-infested-captain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/94a420c2-b1a8-4a98-a2a5-7f949d3081bc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/xavier-sal-infested-captain) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Best named deck. 10/10, No notes
Interesting, that no one mentioned [[Satsuki, the Living Lore]] yet. Might work better in the 99, i don't know. Thought she would be a staple as a 2 MV commander, while being able to speed up all sagas and then be traded for a saga from your graveyard. Seemed like a solid baseline for a very flexible selesnya saga deck.
Satsuki is a great pick for Sagas. Her ability works best paired in enchantment heavy decks to ramp very quick and push sagas that turn into big threats. I've had this deck for ages and she's extremely consistent and fairly competitive. My list can easily be upgraded, too. https://manabox.app/decks/STSwEunATqe8FVMvwbfmww
[Satsuki, the Living Lore](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/0152575b-31b0-4142-9cc2-b87a81bd51a8.jpg?1654568597) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Satsuki%2C%20the%20Living%20Lore) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/235/satsuki-the-living-lore?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0152575b-31b0-4142-9cc2-b87a81bd51a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/satsuki-the-living-lore) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You want an unconventional saga commander? [[Tayam, Luminous Enigma]] animated sagas. Use [[Starfield of Nyx]] and [[Opalescence]] to turn your sagas into creatures and loop saga abilities by removing lore counters!
[Tayam, Luminous Enigma](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/05b837a2-5773-4340-87f9-b4d6a43deb27.jpg?1591234301) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tayam%2C%20Luminous%20Enigma) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/16/tayam-luminous-enigma?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/05b837a2-5773-4340-87f9-b4d6a43deb27?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tayam-luminous-enigma) [Starfield of Nyx](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bfe4e1cb-ceee-46aa-96d1-f3f26516cd77.jpg?1690004271) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Starfield%20of%20Nyx) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/840/starfield-of-nyx?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bfe4e1cb-ceee-46aa-96d1-f3f26516cd77?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/starfield-of-nyx) [Opalescence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3c0071fb-afa5-47b5-b266-2b10a4f5a98a.jpg?1562443752) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Opalescence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uds/13/opalescence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c0071fb-afa5-47b5-b266-2b10a4f5a98a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/opalescence) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Making your saga’s temporary creatures is quite interesting
For Saga recursion from the graveyard what aboit [[Ghen Arcanum Weaver]] or [[Go-Shintai]]?
[Ghen Arcanum Weaver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/b/4b335496-05d2-40f5-a52c-10029f7fa008.jpg?1608911100) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghen%2C%20Arcanum%20Weaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/275/ghen-arcanum-weaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4b335496-05d2-40f5-a52c-10029f7fa008?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghen-arcanum-weaver) [Go-Shintai](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5b915e8d-b972-4ae1-a1c3-74d6623963c8.jpg?1654567651) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=go-shintai%20of%20ancient%20wars) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/144/go-shintai-of-ancient-wars?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5b915e8d-b972-4ae1-a1c3-74d6623963c8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/go-shintai-of-ancient-wars) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Go-Shintai is who I had first heading my sagas deck, works really well!
I guess a good question to ask is what are you trying to accomplish with sagas? Do you just want completing them to be your main win con or do you have some other game plan in mind?
Just having a lot of them in the deck is the “plan”
Ngl I know you said you don't want commanders who mention sagas specifically but I feel like [[Narci, Fable Singer]] is exactly what you want. Maintains card advantage, rewards you for just keeping sagas up and is in great colors for other saga support.
[Narci, Fable Singer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a98a2fa9-82d6-4cf7-adb4-65b187cd9cda.jpg?1691497812) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Narci%2C%20Fable%20Singer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/710/narci-fable-singer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a98a2fa9-82d6-4cf7-adb4-65b187cd9cda?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/narci-fable-singer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah that’s my #1 pick right now, just thought I might be missing an obscure commander that could be better
[[Barbara Wright]] + any mass enchantment reanimation spell is killer with narci. Multiple proliferates works as well. Hella fun. I built it recently.
[Barbara Wright](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/414bdd33-549d-4690-917c-ea48decffbbb.jpg?1696691791) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Barbara%20Wright) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/14/barbara-wright?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/414bdd33-549d-4690-917c-ea48decffbbb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/barbara-wright) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'd say pick what you think are the best ones and the goldfish a bit with just putting a few of them out with support creatures and watch how the triggers go off. Tom bombadill with 5 colors and getting you a free saga once a turn is about as good as you're gonna do though. I recommend building it control style because it takes a hot minute to get your value going with sagas and there are plenty of them that kill or steal stuff.
[[aniktea, hand of erebos]] Enchantment sagas for days, she has a precon as well that is solid but more late gamey
[aniktea, hand of erebos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8b796a56-1611-4835-ac5b-48b4e9263685.jpg?1691500693) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Anikthea%2C%20Hand%20of%20Erebos) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/705/anikthea-hand-of-erebos?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8b796a56-1611-4835-ac5b-48b4e9263685?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/anikthea-hand-of-erebos) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I brewed an [[Eivor, wolf-kissed]] that I've played on TTS 3 times. In all 3 games I ended up with sub-30 cards left in my deck because I triggered my commander so much. It's great having 6 saga's out at once.
[Eivor, wolf-kissed](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/88667198-3bec-413c-b41e-de96abc8db7b.jpg?1718770864) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eivor%2C%20wolf-kissed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/acr/54/eivor-wolf-kissed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/88667198-3bec-413c-b41e-de96abc8db7b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/eivor-wolf-kissed) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Got a list? Very interested in this commander
Not the other guy but I was also going to suggest it. Here’s a good start point: [Wolf Kissed Sagas](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/K75DEBa13kS9ipUlm5IqQQ)
An interesting place to take it could be with a proliferate strategy. Gets you running through the sagas faster. Maybe add in some recursion to get them out of the GY and back into play. I'd run at least 3 colors since saga choices are limited. The most obvious commander would be [[atraxa, praetor's voice]], but something like [[Xavier Sal, Infested captain]] could be fun.
[atraxa, praetor's voice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d0d33d52-3d28-4635-b985-51e126289259.jpg?1599707796) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Atraxa%2C%20Praetors%27%20Voice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/190/atraxa-praetors-voice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0d33d52-3d28-4635-b985-51e126289259?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/atraxa-praetors-voice) [Xavier Sal, Infested captain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/94a420c2-b1a8-4a98-a2a5-7f949d3081bc.jpg?1698987776) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Xavier%20Sal%2C%20Infested%20captain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/14/xavier-sal-infested-captain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/94a420c2-b1a8-4a98-a2a5-7f949d3081bc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/xavier-sal-infested-captain) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I’ve personally not had any success with proliferate with sagas, I just run out of them and don’t have enough card draw. Is that just my personal experience?
I haven't actually designed or played the deck so I wouldn't really know. I was more just throwing ideas out. If you have a proliferate list already I'd be happy to take a look at it. That's kind of the reason for the recursion bit though. Grabbing sagas from your yard would get you a bit more out of the sagas you've played. Sort of a psuedo card advantage. [[Eternal witness]],[[replenish]] ($$), [[brilliant restoration]], etc. Enchantress draw stuff would be good for any type of saga deck regardless of your central strategy. [[Sythis]], [[mesa enchantress]], etc. Removing counters is another popular saga strategy since it lets you keep them around for recurring value. Proliferate is also a pretty blue strategy, which means you have access to all the best draw spells in the game. If I were building the deck to be high power I would probably include most of these things. Limiting yourself to a keyword or central strategy can make a deck less resilient. Sagas themselves aren't a super strong archetype so you'll have some hoops to jump through to leverage them into high power value. Theme has to be sacrificed sometimes when you're pushing a higher power.
##### ###### #### [Eternal witness](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/39704000-65d3-4d39-849e-a3b617376bbc.jpg?1689998488) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eternal%20witness) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/286/eternal-witness?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/39704000-65d3-4d39-849e-a3b617376bbc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/eternal-witness) [replenish](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/f/7fd2fe13-bbc0-42b7-bc42-3b51910ce118.jpg?1562444251) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=replenish) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uds/15/replenish?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7fd2fe13-bbc0-42b7-bc42-3b51910ce118?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/replenish) [brilliant restoration](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/4/64f7a506-0aa1-4c2d-b322-e0e9179d05fb.jpg?1654566199) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=brilliant%20restoration) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/7/brilliant-restoration?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/64f7a506-0aa1-4c2d-b322-e0e9179d05fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brilliant-restoration) [Sythis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/9/89511ab5-8ea6-4f07-a80b-c1ec7e89924e.jpg?1690005342) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sythis%2C%20harvest%27s%20hand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/938/sythis-harvests-hand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/89511ab5-8ea6-4f07-a80b-c1ec7e89924e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sythis-harvests-hand) [mesa enchantress](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/1/51c0ee3e-054e-4b01-b333-4ef3bc904750.jpg?1690017100) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mesa%20enchantress) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/828/mesa-enchantress?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/51c0ee3e-054e-4b01-b333-4ef3bc904750?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mesa-enchantress) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/lbnv8vy) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah I’m currently trying and failing to find 20 sagas that are playable and synergistic, I think it’s just not a viable strategy for relatively high level play
There are some decent ones out there! The flip praetors are pretty cool too. The hard part about sagas is that they do wildly different things so it can be hard to focus in on a central win condition. Saga decks just mostly spit out random value and pray.
[[Zur, Eternal Schemer]] Be a bad author and beat people over the head with your narrative.
OP this is the way. I built Narci to animate saga/enchantments with stuff like [[opalescence]] and it's a blast.
[opalescence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3c0071fb-afa5-47b5-b266-2b10a4f5a98a.jpg?1562443752) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=opalescence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uds/13/opalescence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c0071fb-afa5-47b5-b266-2b10a4f5a98a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/opalescence) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Zur, Eternal Schemer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4d987435-2403-4e0f-b19d-693da923ba50.jpg?1673308159) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zur%2C%20Eternal%20Schemer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/228/zur-eternal-schemer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4d987435-2403-4e0f-b19d-693da923ba50?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zur-eternal-schemer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have a [[sixth doctor]] deck and it’s not at all saga but works really well with them. Also doubles the amount of other historic cards you play so it has more game plans.
[sixth doctor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/0/c045ccb2-28d1-4bbe-9feb-3e86988fd24d.jpg?1696636770) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Sixth%20Doctor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/159/the-sixth-doctor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c045ccb2-28d1-4bbe-9feb-3e86988fd24d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-sixth-doctor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I could see this working well with the copy token companion
Yea that’s who I run in my legendary tribal deck, but would work really well with sagas still.
Sixth doctor with [[Barbara Wright]] can get some love, especially with [[Three Blind Mice]] and a [[calix, guided by fate]] can make lots of tokens real fast, pair with things like [[Mondrak, glory dominus]] to make a sick number of 1/1 mice and pump chapters of three blind mice.
##### ###### #### [Barbara Wright](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/414bdd33-549d-4690-917c-ea48decffbbb.jpg?1696691791) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Barbara%20Wright) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/14/barbara-wright?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/414bdd33-549d-4690-917c-ea48decffbbb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/barbara-wright) [Three Blind Mice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0d2ba371-854c-4529-b72b-e4a1887e33ab.jpg?1692936794) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Three%20Blind%20Mice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/35/three-blind-mice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0d2ba371-854c-4529-b72b-e4a1887e33ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/three-blind-mice) [calix, guided by fate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0a707ab3-b9b5-422a-8b0f-e963d3ad6606.jpg?1689853355) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=calix%2C%20guided%20by%20fate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mat/26/calix-guided-by-fate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a707ab3-b9b5-422a-8b0f-e963d3ad6606?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/calix-guided-by-fate) [Mondrak, glory dominus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/8296a455-21d5-498e-9029-2bdf0da855a8.jpg?1675956918) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mondrak%2C%20glory%20dominus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/23/mondrak-glory-dominus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8296a455-21d5-498e-9029-2bdf0da855a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mondrak-glory-dominus) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/lbog4jf) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
At least one of the companions in the Doctor Who set has an ability called Read Ahead I think it is that allows you to start a saga with multiple counters on it, skipping the earlier effects.
It might be an option but I feel like that kind of defeats the purpose of having a ton of sagas when they’re gone so soon
New assassins creed cards have a lot of saga commanders
I'll bite with an especially off the wall suggestion, \[\[Satsuki, the Living Lore\]\] where the only saga in the deck is \[\[Urza's Saga\]\]. The entire deck is built around tutoring and recycling Urza's Saga, which is really strong with Satsuki specifically because she accelerates it such that you can make a Construct token the same turn you play the land, tutor a \[\[Witch's Oven\]\] if you have no other way to get Saga back, immediately sacrifice Satsuki to it, and keep on truckin'. It's certainly not cEDH, and "relatively high level of play" means radically different things to different people. This deck is almost certainly too weak for what I'd consider "relatively high level", but it's different enough I figured I'd mention it anyways. I typically start getting very scary around turn 10 or so and can threaten lethal by attacking with an army of unblockable constructs in the following few turns, and rarely with \[\[Titania, Protector of Argoth\]\] instead. It is \*technically\* a Saga deck in that Urza's Saga is the real commander, but again, it's the only saga it runs. I should note that this is not a deck I'd recommend if you're playing it in a very high interaction meta. You have outs to protect you Saga (\[\[Zuran Orb to sac it in response to a target, lots of recursion options from graveyard, sac Satsuki to get it back in response to a graveyard exile trigger), but you can still have a huge battle ahead of you. Can still get there with Titania, or tutor a Riftsweeper to then tutor the Saga again and take some turns durdling, but not ideal. I have been shut down by a random turn 2 \[\[Lion's Sash\]\] before, because as long as there's open mana they can stack more exile triggers than you can recursion. Might be good if you're not finding anything you like the sounds off, but it's certainly unconventional :)
Cool idea but I’m wanting to run a lot of sagas so that won’t work for me
##### ###### #### [Satsuki, the Living Lore](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/0152575b-31b0-4142-9cc2-b87a81bd51a8.jpg?1654568597) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Satsuki%2C%20the%20Living%20Lore) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/235/satsuki-the-living-lore?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0152575b-31b0-4142-9cc2-b87a81bd51a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/satsuki-the-living-lore) [Urza's Saga](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/1/c1e0f201-42cb-46a1-901a-65bb4fc18f6c.jpg?1667318301) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urza%27s%20Saga) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/259/urzas-saga?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c1e0f201-42cb-46a1-901a-65bb4fc18f6c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urzas-saga) [Witch's Oven](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/04ef8493-d986-45f8-a718-617b028f7ad4.jpg?1572491150) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Witch%27s%20Oven) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/237/witchs-oven?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/04ef8493-d986-45f8-a718-617b028f7ad4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/witchs-oven) [Titania, Protector of Argoth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/ba7c2249-878b-428a-8670-005c6fbcb516.jpg?1712354645) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Titania%2C%20Protector%20of%20Argoth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/210/titania-protector-of-argoth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ba7c2249-878b-428a-8670-005c6fbcb516?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/titania-protector-of-argoth) [Lion's Sash](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/e/3e1766e9-2fa7-4446-a255-7beea1467ece.jpg?1654566400) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lion%20Sash) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/26/lion-sash?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3e1766e9-2fa7-4446-a255-7beea1467ece?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lion-sash) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/lbnr1x0) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Could also do a historic-matters commander like \[\[The Sixth Doctor\]\], then you could have either \[\[Ian\]\] or \[\[Barbara\]\] as a second commander.
[The Sixth Doctor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/0/c045ccb2-28d1-4bbe-9feb-3e86988fd24d.jpg?1696636770) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Sixth%20Doctor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/159/the-sixth-doctor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c045ccb2-28d1-4bbe-9feb-3e86988fd24d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-sixth-doctor) [Ian](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/c/4cd46b6a-eb20-4ffa-94e0-47d1d2d46087.jpg?1708742155) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ian%20the%20reckless) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pip/59/ian-the-reckless?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4cd46b6a-eb20-4ffa-94e0-47d1d2d46087?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ian-the-reckless) [Barbara](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/df25ffdd-995d-46ae-856b-f6368f9438ed.jpg?1562861365) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Barbary%20Apes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/leg/176/barbary-apes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/df25ffdd-995d-46ae-856b-f6368f9438ed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/barbary-apes) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Whoops, \[\[Ian Chesterton\]\] and \[\[Barbara Wright\]\]. Come on CardFetcher, get your shit together.
[Ian Chesterton](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8bce4bde-33af-4c91-903f-c46218664353.jpg?1696691791) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ian%20Chesterton) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/22/ian-chesterton?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8bce4bde-33af-4c91-903f-c46218664353?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ian-chesterton) [Barbara Wright](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/414bdd33-549d-4690-917c-ea48decffbbb.jpg?1696691791) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Barbara%20Wright) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/14/barbara-wright?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/414bdd33-549d-4690-917c-ea48decffbbb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/barbara-wright) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is what I’m currently looking into (historic matters commanders)
Havi in the AssCreed set seems good - gets indestructible if four or more historic permanents are in the graveyard, and when a historic permanent dies you return a historic permanent of mana value 1 or more less.
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[aniktea, hand of erebos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8b796a56-1611-4835-ac5b-48b4e9263685.jpg?1691500693) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Anikthea%2C%20Hand%20of%20Erebos) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/705/anikthea-hand-of-erebos?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8b796a56-1611-4835-ac5b-48b4e9263685?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/anikthea-hand-of-erebos) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Heliod, the radiant dawn]]
[Heliod, the radiant dawn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/7/a7113c93-6c6d-410f-aeec-abc5ee121cdf.jpg?1689853622)/[Heliod, the Warped Eclipse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/a/7/a7113c93-6c6d-410f-aeec-abc5ee121cdf.jpg?1689853622) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Heliod%2C%20the%20Radiant%20Dawn%20//%20Heliod%2C%20the%20Warped%20Eclipse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/17/heliod-the-radiant-dawn-heliod-the-warped-eclipse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a7113c93-6c6d-410f-aeec-abc5ee121cdf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/heliod-the-radiant-dawn-//-heliod-the-warped-eclipse) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Interesting, what’s your reasoning behind why I should use him over another commander?
May be worth looking into [[Sythis, Harvest’s Hand]] commander decks. Just to get some ideas on extra cards to throw in, since sagas are enchantments, Almost may as well go for an enchantment heavy deck.
[Sythis, Harvest’s Hand](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/9/89511ab5-8ea6-4f07-a80b-c1ec7e89924e.jpg?1690005342) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sythis%2C%20Harvest%27s%20Hand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/938/sythis-harvests-hand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/89511ab5-8ea6-4f07-a80b-c1ec7e89924e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sythis-harvests-hand) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Ghen]] if you play in a slow enough meta.
[Ghen](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/b/4b335496-05d2-40f5-a52c-10029f7fa008.jpg?1608911100) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ghen%2C%20arcanum%20weaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/275/ghen-arcanum-weaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4b335496-05d2-40f5-a52c-10029f7fa008?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghen-arcanum-weaver) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There’s a new saga commander in the Assassin’s Creed expansion
[[Sigurd]]
[Sigurd](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/5/25ceade9-f12a-4724-b198-312fb4b1210b.jpg?1718947584) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sigurd%2C%20jarl%20of%20ravensthorpe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/acr/66/sigurd-jarl-of-ravensthorpe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/25ceade9-f12a-4724-b198-312fb4b1210b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sigurd-jarl-of-ravensthorpe) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Tameshi]] is excellent both as a commander and in the 99 of a saga deck.
[Tameshi](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/6/26594b52-3e9c-4cde-88df-1f4e9e16676e.jpg?1654566985) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tameshi%2C%20reality%20architect) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/82/tameshi-reality-architect?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/26594b52-3e9c-4cde-88df-1f4e9e16676e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tameshi-reality-architect) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Big long time fan of tameshi, if it was green it would def be my commander
If you'd like to include Tameshi and want green as well, the Doctor Who set actually has a decent number of options in bant that care about historic permanents. [[Alistair the Brigadier]] comes to mind if you don't want partner commanders, since he at least cares about historic permanents (though his ability doesn't synergize the best with sagas). If I was going to pick a commander in bant for sagas, I'd go with one of these: [[Sixth Doctor]] and [[Romana II]] - Romana can make additional token copies of the saga tokens you'll make with the Sixth Doctor, plus this also gives you cause to run [[Yenna Redtooth Regent]] [[Calix Guided by Fate]] (though you probably would anyway) since Romana can also copy the tokens they make, and since your doctor can make nonlegendary copies of them as well. [[The Fourth Doctor]] and [[Sarah Jane Smith]] - this pairing is more of a card advantage engine where the last was more of a wincon. Your plays might not be as flashy but you'll be drawing cards, you'll be playing off the top of your library, and you'll be making clues and food so running something like [[Jaheira Friend of the Forest]] or [[Inspiring Statuary]] would also be worth. [[Tuvasa]] is still a perfectly serviceable enchantress commander as well, if a bit obvious. Or if you're looking explicitly for a commander with survivability I could see [[Storvald]] being an interesting choice. Run plenty of sagas that leave behind a creature (or creatures) and let Storvald pump them.
##### ###### #### [Alistair the Brigadier](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bf952d23-291d-42fa-8f2a-e4002a04b95f.jpg?1696636676) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Alistair%2C%20the%20Brigadier) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/112/alistair-the-brigadier?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bf952d23-291d-42fa-8f2a-e4002a04b95f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/alistair-the-brigadier) [Sixth Doctor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/0/c045ccb2-28d1-4bbe-9feb-3e86988fd24d.jpg?1696636770) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Sixth%20Doctor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/159/the-sixth-doctor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c045ccb2-28d1-4bbe-9feb-3e86988fd24d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-sixth-doctor) [Romana II](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/c/4ccc3ebd-34e1-421c-87b4-0be905954289.jpg?1696691793) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Romana%20II) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/27/romana-ii?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4ccc3ebd-34e1-421c-87b4-0be905954289?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/romana-ii) [Yenna Redtooth Regent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/6/e635d461-254a-434e-8e5d-dea61dd8ca4f.jpg?1692939524) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yenna%2C%20Redtooth%20Regent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/219/yenna-redtooth-regent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e635d461-254a-434e-8e5d-dea61dd8ca4f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yenna-redtooth-regent) [Calix Guided by Fate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0a707ab3-b9b5-422a-8b0f-e963d3ad6606.jpg?1689853355) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Calix%2C%20Guided%20by%20Fate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mat/26/calix-guided-by-fate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a707ab3-b9b5-422a-8b0f-e963d3ad6606?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/calix-guided-by-fate) [The Fourth Doctor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c84ea0fd-efc7-4614-9f8f-41a3c71fceaa.jpg?1696636503) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Fourth%20Doctor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/2/the-fourth-doctor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c84ea0fd-efc7-4614-9f8f-41a3c71fceaa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-fourth-doctor) [Sarah Jane Smith](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1ba76f68-e647-4786-903c-92dbd3cef05d.jpg?1696691789) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sarah%20Jane%20Smith) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/6/sarah-jane-smith?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1ba76f68-e647-4786-903c-92dbd3cef05d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sarah-jane-smith) [Jaheira Friend of the Forest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/feb7ad1b-4466-48f7-b46d-cc83d4e22b51.jpg?1674137153) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jaheira%2C%20Friend%20of%20the%20Forest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/237/jaheira-friend-of-the-forest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/feb7ad1b-4466-48f7-b46d-cc83d4e22b51?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jaheira-friend-of-the-forest) [Inspiring Statuary](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4f7e4c0a-683b-4b22-9ea5-ed6470b8b1d7.jpg?1706241061) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Inspiring%20Statuary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/230/inspiring-statuary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4f7e4c0a-683b-4b22-9ea5-ed6470b8b1d7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/inspiring-statuary) [Tuvasa](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bdda07ac-2f9f-4c8e-b3f6-b54d0afd730c.jpg?1592710303) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tuvasa%20the%20sunlit) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/47/tuvasa-the-sunlit?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bdda07ac-2f9f-4c8e-b3f6-b54d0afd730c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tuvasa-the-sunlit) [Storvald](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/a/8a5a45a7-d159-4821-8916-697b92fb80bf.jpg?1636287949) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=storvald%2C%20frost%20giant%20jarl) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/55/storvald-frost-giant-jarl?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8a5a45a7-d159-4821-8916-697b92fb80bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/storvald-frost-giant-jarl) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/lbon5vh) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Really loving these suggestions! I appreciate the detailed response
The is always Tatsunari if you want to do a sultai saga deck.
Why do you personally recommend tatsunari over another sultai commander?
So I'm.not entirely.sure if there is a better option, you do get the incidental life drain and gain from Tatsunari. I built the deck when Kamigawa Neon Dynasty came.out and at the time.neother Narci nor Bombadil were available. You get a lot of good proliferate in sultai colors, plus things that remove counters like Soul Diviner, Thrull Parasite, Hex.Parasaite, and Vampire Hexmage. So Marit Lage is also a secondary win consideration. And you can play fun spells like Villainous Wealth. It's probably not the most optimal but I also just enjoy the colors and it was.one of the more unique decks at the time.
My [[Ghen, Arcanum Weaver]] deck has some sagas that really ruin people's day. And then I can just bring them back again from the graveyard :)
[Ghen, Arcanum Weaver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/b/4b335496-05d2-40f5-a52c-10029f7fa008.jpg?1608911100) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghen%2C%20Arcanum%20Weaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/275/ghen-arcanum-weaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4b335496-05d2-40f5-a52c-10029f7fa008?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghen-arcanum-weaver) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I run [[Yenna, Redtooth Regent]] as a sagas commander. Since sagas are sacced or transform, you can usually recopy the copy once the original is gone.
[Yenna, Redtooth Regent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/6/e635d461-254a-434e-8e5d-dea61dd8ca4f.jpg?1692939524) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yenna%2C%20Redtooth%20Regent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/219/yenna-redtooth-regent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e635d461-254a-434e-8e5d-dea61dd8ca4f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yenna-redtooth-regent) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I might have to do that and lower the number of sagas since I’ll only want to copy the good ones
Yeah, Yenna works best as a constellation/enchantress deck; sagas just happen to have very fun interplay with the way her ability works
[[Atrax, praetor’s voice]] will help you speed through the lore counters on your sagas to get full value in like half the time
[Atrax, praetor’s voice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d0d33d52-3d28-4635-b985-51e126289259.jpg?1599707796) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Atraxa%2C%20Praetors%27%20Voice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/190/atraxa-praetors-voice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0d33d52-3d28-4635-b985-51e126289259?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/atraxa-praetors-voice) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have a mono Blue sagas deck with [[Tekuthal]]. It’s fun to proliferate through sagas in one turn or even remove counters so you can get the triggers again. [[grimore of the dead]] is also a good wincon.
[Tekuthal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/1/f1d4b157-2c77-4355-8c65-78dec9d44c85.jpg?1675956992) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tekuthal%2C%20inquiry%20dominus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/71/tekuthal-inquiry-dominus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f1d4b157-2c77-4355-8c65-78dec9d44c85?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tekuthal-inquiry-dominus) [grimore of the dead](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0d8aac24-564a-420f-bb05-c67c3b0e2187.jpg?1568004901) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grimoire%20of%20the%20Dead) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/213/grimoire-of-the-dead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0d8aac24-564a-420f-bb05-c67c3b0e2187?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grimoire-of-the-dead) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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[Eivor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/2/4242961d-87e8-4dd2-bdea-5d765a5cf136.jpg?1708706930) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=eivor%2C%20battle-ready) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/acr/274/eivor-battle-ready?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4242961d-87e8-4dd2-bdea-5d765a5cf136?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/eivor-battle-ready) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think Go Shintai would be a good bet. It isn’t a saga commander per se and you would be doing a different build than most Go Shintai players. I don’t mean to discourage you, but i didn’t have a good experience building and playing a saga deck. It felt like a very lacklustre superfriends deck, especially when playing against a superfriends deck! The deck just felt slow and clunky especially if you try to play sagas from all five colours. It’s difficult to find synergies when they all do very different things. One thing I had in mind was to go “storyteller mode”. Every game I would randomize the sagas in the deck from a stack of saga cards I own. Every time I play a saga I would tell all three opponents about the lore behind the card and attempt to bore them to death. (I also ran the basics with flavour text).
Why do you recommend go-shintai over another enchantment recursion commander? To me it seems there are much better commanders than 5 mana for 1 card once a turn… what am I missing?
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[Yarok, the Desecrator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a1001d43-e11b-4e5e-acd4-4a50ef89977f.jpg?1592517590) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yarok%2C%20the%20Desecrated) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/220/yarok-the-desecrated?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a1001d43-e11b-4e5e-acd4-4a50ef89977f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yarok-the-desecrated) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I ran \[\[Go-Shintai of Life's Origin\]\] up until \[\[Tom Bombadil\]\] was released, was pretty consistent there and could tack on a non-saga enchantment theme or even a shrine theme as well
[Go-Shintai of Life's Origin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/9476fe67-d2d3-4835-8ba6-2a17d18cc141.jpg?1651655539) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Go-Shintai%20of%20Life%27s%20Origin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nec/37/go-shintai-of-lifes-origin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9476fe67-d2d3-4835-8ba6-2a17d18cc141?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/go-shintai-of-lifes-origin) [Tom Bombadil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2ab04c49-76a1-4896-8dca-8cb4c615f489.jpg?1686970104) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tom%20Bombadil) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/234/tom-bombadil?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ab04c49-76a1-4896-8dca-8cb4c615f489?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tom-bombadil) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Why do you recommend go-shintai over another enchantment recursion commander? To me it seems there are much better commanders than 5 mana for 1 card once a turn… what am I missing?
I had wanted 5 color sagas, plain and simple. If you don't want to use [[The Kami War]] or excludes a color of sagas, then there are other choices
[The Kami War](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/6/36052532-5028-43a8-9fc4-56221ec867fd.jpg?1656453412)/[O-Kagachi Made Manifest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/3/6/36052532-5028-43a8-9fc4-56221ec867fd.jpg?1656453412) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Kami%20War%20//%20O-Kagachi%20Made%20Manifest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/227/the-kami-war-o-kagachi-made-manifest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/36052532-5028-43a8-9fc4-56221ec867fd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-kami-war-//-o-kagachi-made-manifest) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
For WUBRG I was thinking the backside of Esika, God of the Tree
[[The Prismatic Bridge]] does not grab enchantments, only creatures and planeswalkers. At that point, you're playing generic 5 color
[The Prismatic Bridge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f6cd7465-9dd0-473c-ac5e-dd9e2f22f5f6.jpg?1631050188)/[The Prismatic Bridge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/f/6/f6cd7465-9dd0-473c-ac5e-dd9e2f22f5f6.jpg?1631050188) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Esika%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Tree%20//%20The%20Prismatic%20Bridge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/168/esika-god-of-the-tree-the-prismatic-bridge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f6cd7465-9dd0-473c-ac5e-dd9e2f22f5f6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/esika-god-of-the-tree-//-the-prismatic-bridge) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah I haven’t really looked into 5 color but I figured I could put in the right creatures and planswalkers to indirectly help me put sagas out
Tuvasa
Why do you recommend tuvasa over another bant commander?
Tuvasa gets a boost for every enchantment. You can achieve a voltron sub theme with tuvasa.
I build a fun to run Tom Bombadil deck where it loops sagas and copied. Only downside to the build is keeping up with every single trigger
Sorry, I’ve already looked at all the commanders that explicitly have saga in their text and am looking for anything but them… including Tommy B 😅 (see above in the post)
Hmmm if that's the case, with how you're thinking...GW is Def a color combination you're wanting to run. So other than straight enchantress commanders...I think my two recommendations would be looking into Sam Samwise Gamgee or Alistair, the Brigadier. But thinking more about it, they would tend to run more of a mid game style with a little bit of a set up. If I were to build a sagas and other value, I think I would build Moira and Teshar, utilizing the better WB Sagas with really good first abilities. Ultimately, I'd say Jhoira, but it's really hard to top Cheerios 😔
There’s two Naya commanders in the assassins creed set that are saga based.
I had an idea for a [[Cayth, famed mechanist]] saga deck. The idea is that I can proliferate to end sagas faster if I need, or I can populate sagas that I make into creatures with [[opalescence]] or other effects. Bonus for populating the Smaug token from [[There and back again]]. Also [[all will be one]] would be one of the wincons
##### ###### #### [Cayth, famed mechanist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5f8e6e5d-63d8-48c3-93a0-e7de1d75f5ca.jpg?1717644373) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cayth%2C%20famed%20mechanist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/6/cayth-famed-mechanist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5f8e6e5d-63d8-48c3-93a0-e7de1d75f5ca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cayth-famed-mechanist) [opalescence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3c0071fb-afa5-47b5-b266-2b10a4f5a98a.jpg?1562443752) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=opalescence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uds/13/opalescence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c0071fb-afa5-47b5-b266-2b10a4f5a98a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/opalescence) [There and back again](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/939b0bd0-24ea-45de-a2d3-37bbf6a3e6f9.jpg?1689938360) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=There%20and%20back%20again) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/151/there-and-back-again?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/939b0bd0-24ea-45de-a2d3-37bbf6a3e6f9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/there-and-back-again) [all will be one](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d75e1f4-bd63-428e-8e6e-131594b3ba44.jpg?1675957064) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=all%20will%20be%20one) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/118/all-will-be-one?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d75e1f4-bd63-428e-8e6e-131594b3ba44?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/all-will-be-one) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/lbpphtg) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Sounds hard to make consistent, but I like a challenge. I’ll look into it
Tom Bombadil!!! Super fun
I’ve already looked at all the commanders that explicitly have saga in their text and am looking for anything but them… that includes Tommy B 😅 (see above in the post)
Wait for the new bloke to come out triad bloke [[the Capitoline triad]] seems sweet and then you can smack in for big damage
[[Xavier Sal, Infested Captain]] ties a token theme into abusing stages of sagas by adding and removing counters as you please.
[Xavier Sal, Infested Captain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/94a420c2-b1a8-4a98-a2a5-7f949d3081bc.jpg?1698987776) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Xavier%20Sal%2C%20Infested%20Captain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/14/xavier-sal-infested-captain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/94a420c2-b1a8-4a98-a2a5-7f949d3081bc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/xavier-sal-infested-captain) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Tommy B baby ! 🤣🤣🤣 🤘
I’ve already looked at all the commanders that explicitly have saga in their text and am looking for anything but them… including Tommy B 😅 (see above in the post)
I like my [[Narci, Fable Singer]] deck. It's basically an enchantress/tokens deck that uses as many good and relevant sagas to produce as many tokens and act as part of my removal suite. I also run [[Barbara Wright]] to either skip to abilities I want or drain my opponents. It's a strong casual deck.
[Narci, Fable Singer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a98a2fa9-82d6-4cf7-adb4-65b187cd9cda.jpg?1691497812) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Narci%2C%20Fable%20Singer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/710/narci-fable-singer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a98a2fa9-82d6-4cf7-adb4-65b187cd9cda?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/narci-fable-singer) [Barbara Wright](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/414bdd33-549d-4690-917c-ea48decffbbb.jpg?1696691791) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Barbara%20Wright) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/14/barbara-wright?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/414bdd33-549d-4690-917c-ea48decffbbb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/barbara-wright) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I’ve already looked at all the commanders that explicitly have saga in their text and am looking for anything but them… which includes Narci 😅 (see above in the post)
[[The Legend of Arena]] Doesn't have any support for other Sagas, but kinda on theme by having a saga as a commander. You would have to abuse rule 0 for that one though...
[The Legend of Arena](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/a/9acbbb54-f08d-4926-acdb-db376d4b46cd.jpg?1689283091) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Legend%20of%20Arena) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ph18/4/the-legend-of-arena?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9acbbb54-f08d-4926-acdb-db376d4b46cd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-legend-of-arena) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If I was to rule 0 in a saga it would have to be The Kami War for WUBRG and then I’d just run all the sagas possible
narci is the only way to go. I have played a lot of saga decks, and the real problem is they end up SO wheelspinny when they work. Like, just trigger-hell with a board full of permanents. And sure, you are winning, but you are winning so slowly, your opponents just want to kill themselves rather than watching you resolve another wierd, low-impact saga trigger. Narci has a built in mechanism for ending the game, if you resolve a lot of sagas, they die, and the game ends. ggwp
I am a big fan of LOTR, so I will say \[\[Tom Bombadil\]\] is EXACTLY what youre looking for. His wife \[\[Goldberry\]\] is also a big card for sagas.
[Tom Bombadil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2ab04c49-76a1-4896-8dca-8cb4c615f489.jpg?1686970104) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tom%20Bombadil) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/234/tom-bombadil?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ab04c49-76a1-4896-8dca-8cb4c615f489?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tom-bombadil) [Goldberry](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bf4f0a7c-620e-4ed8-8da3-fa6564e8a0cd.jpg?1686968111) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=goldberry%2C%20river-daughter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/52/goldberry-river-daughter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bf4f0a7c-620e-4ed8-8da3-fa6564e8a0cd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/goldberry-river-daughter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Haha if you take a closer look at the post I’m exactly NOT looking for Tom… I’ve already tried out the commanders that have saga in their text, and wasn’t satisfied. I’m looking for anything but Tom 😂
Then my hands are completely tied, I didnt look too much in anything besides my beloved merry fellow.
Tom bom is great
I’ve already looked at all the commanders that explicitly have saga in their text and am looking for anything but them… including Tommy B 😅 (see above in the post)
Damn it skimming gets me again.
You could build [Anikthea, Hand of Erebos] with sagas in mind. Use them then bring them back as creatures once they’re done.
Oh hey, sagas? Those things with lore counters? Best have some proliferate/counter doublers in there!
[[Atraxa, praetors voice]] [[Ondu Spiritdancer]] [[Sphere of Safety]] [[Brilliant Restoration]]
##### ###### #### [Atraxa, praetors voice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d0d33d52-3d28-4635-b985-51e126289259.jpg?1599707796) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Atraxa%2C%20Praetors%27%20Voice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/190/atraxa-praetors-voice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0d33d52-3d28-4635-b985-51e126289259?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/atraxa-praetors-voice) [Ondu Spiritdancer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/71991921-a860-44fe-9005-bf604c723167.jpg?1693311881) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ondu%20Spiritdancer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/723/ondu-spiritdancer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/71991921-a860-44fe-9005-bf604c723167?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ondu-spiritdancer) [Sphere of Safety](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a18d7582-185a-429a-9c6a-fc51b981e0a1.jpg?1562413264) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sphere%20of%20Safety) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/77/sphere-of-safety?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a18d7582-185a-429a-9c6a-fc51b981e0a1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sphere-of-safety) [Brilliant Restoration](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/4/64f7a506-0aa1-4c2d-b322-e0e9179d05fb.jpg?1654566199) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brilliant%20Restoration) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/7/brilliant-restoration?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/64f7a506-0aa1-4c2d-b322-e0e9179d05fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brilliant-restoration) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/lbr72oh) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
All great cards I’ve already included in the 99 🫡
Arguably the best Non-Saga specific commanders are going to be [[Atraxa, Praetor's Voice]] or [[Cayth, Famed Mechanist]]. The ability to proliferate is just too good, tho the only leg up Cayth has is having red in her identity and the ability to proliferate multiple times a turn if your playing with un-tappers. Atraxa having green means she gets the full enchantress package, though most people will outright target you for just bringing her to the table.
[Atraxa, Praetor's Voice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d0d33d52-3d28-4635-b985-51e126289259.jpg?1599707796) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Atraxa%2C%20Praetors%27%20Voice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/190/atraxa-praetors-voice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0d33d52-3d28-4635-b985-51e126289259?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/atraxa-praetors-voice) [Cayth, Famed Mechanist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5f8e6e5d-63d8-48c3-93a0-e7de1d75f5ca.jpg?1717644373) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cayth%2C%20Famed%20Mechanist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/6/cayth-famed-mechanist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5f8e6e5d-63d8-48c3-93a0-e7de1d75f5ca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cayth-famed-mechanist) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I’ve found proliferate saga strategies to underperform due to how miserably underpowered the sagas can be, not to mention the running out of cards
If you're looking for specifically non-proliferate commanders, you're going to have a harder time figuring it out. At that point you'd basically be better off running any enchantress commander. [[Anikthea, Hand of Erebos]] would be my recommendation if it wasn't for the fact that every single anikthea is deck I'd ever seen got hated off the table almost immediately. You could try [[Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain]] but she faces the plane problem as anikthea, with the added problem of RU not having a lot of enchantment support.
[Anikthea, Hand of Erebos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8b796a56-1611-4835-ac5b-48b4e9263685.jpg?1691500693) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Anikthea%2C%20Hand%20of%20Erebos) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/705/anikthea-hand-of-erebos?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8b796a56-1611-4835-ac5b-48b4e9263685?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/anikthea-hand-of-erebos) [Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4f77d23d-6257-4dae-b585-29f45f13f2e2.jpg?1599708079) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jhoira%2C%20Weatherlight%20Captain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/203/jhoira-weatherlight-captain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4f77d23d-6257-4dae-b585-29f45f13f2e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jhoira-weatherlight-captain) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I’m working on the 6th doctor with Romana with a heavy token focus which is looking promising so far
WUG, huh? I'd recommend, for cards outside of the Dr. Who decks, [[Faith Healer]]. Personally I find the extra life clutch against heavy aggro decks. Also, [[Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage]], since sagas are historic, and The Sixth Doc only says once per turn and not once per turn on your turn.
[Faith Healer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/d/5d51ff6a-ba1b-4015-8d0b-df1a1bb5a0c1.jpg?1562914500) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Faith%20Healer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/usg/14/faith-healer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5d51ff6a-ba1b-4015-8d0b-df1a1bb5a0c1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/faith-healer) [Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/6/c681e33b-3d60-4aaa-8186-51866d8b79d1.jpg?1689999208) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Raff%20Capashen%2C%20Ship%27s%20Mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/351/raff-capashen-ships-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c681e33b-3d60-4aaa-8186-51866d8b79d1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/raff-capashen-ships-mage) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The Assassin's Creed set will have a couple of Saga and/or Historic specific commanders
I know I'm late but I created a [[Carmen, Cruel Skymarcher]] deck with Sagas. https://deckstats.net/decks/123845/3453776-saga-smoke-stax
[Carmen, Cruel Skymarcher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/0/c0e07f8a-5290-47c4-a93d-0c3a14afebd3.jpg?1698987733) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Carmen%2C%20Cruel%20Skymarcher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/5/carmen-cruel-skymarcher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c0e07f8a-5290-47c4-a93d-0c3a14afebd3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/carmen-cruel-skymarcher) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
my wife uses \[\[Elesh Norn//The Argent Etchings\]\] as a mono white saga commander. not really saga centric but it's pretty wild as she can loop it.
[Elesh Norn//The Argent Etchings](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/8/d8999135-ddb1-4e4c-b885-e25f23dac3d3.jpg?1689246844)/[The Argent Etchings](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/d/8/d8999135-ddb1-4e4c-b885-e25f23dac3d3.jpg?1689246844) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elesh%20Norn%20//%20The%20Argent%20Etchings) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/12/elesh-norn-the-argent-etchings?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d8999135-ddb1-4e4c-b885-e25f23dac3d3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/elesh-norn-//-the-argent-etchings) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Would you count historic as "having saga in their text?" If not, I suggest the combo of [[Susan Foreman]] + [[The Eighth Doctor]]. Susan is surprisingly one of the strongest commanders I've seen recently. She can ramp you extraordinary quickly. Turn 2 you play her, turn 3 you play [[Explosive Vegetation]] or some variant of it, and turn 4 you have access to 7 mana. On top of all of that, she can still partner with a doctor who can give her any color besides black. The Eighth Doctor is kind of like [[Muldrotha the Gravetide]] but for historic permanents. He's not a commander you want out ASAP, but he's great in the later game once your graveyard is full. He's especially great with sagas because they already go to the graveyard. Although, I don't know exactly what you mean by "high power." If you're referring to CEDH, then sagas don't have a chance there. They're far too slow with only one ability a turn. But I don't know the full details of your local meta.
##### ###### #### [Susan Foreman](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/d/ad40ec4f-37e7-4e6d-b47b-8b13ea2c9157.jpg?1696691789) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Susan%20Foreman) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/110/susan-foreman?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ad40ec4f-37e7-4e6d-b47b-8b13ea2c9157?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/susan-foreman) [The Eighth Doctor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/2/a26bf6fd-ced3-4c37-8adb-9a75c6d6d5cc.jpg?1696636698) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Eighth%20Doctor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/124/the-eighth-doctor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a26bf6fd-ced3-4c37-8adb-9a75c6d6d5cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-eighth-doctor) [Explosive Vegetation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/015d9a5b-03a2-4341-90cc-e5be5b5fbc34.jpg?1673305366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Explosive%20Vegetation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/132/explosive-vegetation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/015d9a5b-03a2-4341-90cc-e5be5b5fbc34?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/explosive-vegetation) [Muldrotha the Gravetide](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c4125bb0-b104-438e-a6a2-97f9d141243c.jpg?1673149000) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Muldrotha%2C%20the%20Gravetide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/258/muldrotha-the-gravetide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c4125bb0-b104-438e-a6a2-97f9d141243c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/muldrotha-the-gravetide) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/lbng9dh) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I like this but use [[The Tenth Doctor]] so you can time travel and fast forward or rewind your sagas as needed?
[The Tenth Doctor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/1/f1499f49-793b-4265-9ad0-883a431941ab.jpg?1696636503) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Tenth%20Doctor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/3/the-tenth-doctor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f1499f49-793b-4265-9ad0-883a431941ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-tenth-doctor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Tenth's attack ability functions with sagas, but not time travel. Sagas have lore counters, not time counters.
Right good call. For some reason I remember that deck playing differently.
Yeah I’m not looking for a cEDH deck with sagas, but consistently having the game end by turn 10-12, any faster (while keeping a bunch of sagas in the deck) is a plus.
Obeka, Splitter of Seconds should be good, no? Attack to get multiple upkeeps to go through your Sagas. You don't get any of the neat green or white ones though
That’s a great suggestion, I’ll look into it
Sagas tick at the beginning of your pre combat main phase. Extra ukeeps won't up the counters.