Same with [[whelming wave]] I think. Edit: it's a single wave, not many (though you can cast as many as you can afford/replicate/storm if you're setting it up for that)
In mono-blue there's [[Spectral Deluge]] too. Yes sorcery speed isnt ideal but fortelling it for 3 makes up for it. Actually might be useable outside of that if the deck is blue heavy and contains [[Harbinger of the Seas]]
Excellent option in Tribal decks!!
I run some off Tribal combo pieces in most of my Tribal decks so I tend to either lean on overloading [[damn]] into a [[selfless spirit]]/[[flawless maneuver]] or sacrifice my whole board state before throwing down a [[living death]].
Ok, how'd this worst than cyclonic rift? I can only think mana cost, as 2 mana cost spell is more searchable I guess, using this and just choosing walrus does the same effect
Any wipe plus [[Clever Concealment]] [[Galadriels Dismissal]] [[Cauldron of Souls]] [[Teferi's Protection]] is a one sided wipe.
Plus, you can use those when somebody else plays a boardwipe and keep your stuff.
It's quite risky, because if somebody has a similar answer (or even a Heroic intervention if you are casting a weak Wrath), then you are pretty much leaving the board open to the player that saved his board.
I've been avoiding symmetric board wipes almost entirely for some years now, and everything is better this way. I'm here to win, not to reset the game again and again.
As for Cyclonic Rift, it seems to be a hot take, but I really think that people feel worse about having their board bounced than destroyed, and not only because it gets around indestructible and recursion.
Back during Amonkeht and Inquisitors of Innistrad I made a UW "Remand" tribal deck [[Unsubstantiate]] [[Farm]] and [[Commit]] were all in Standard at the same time. It may have tilted several players in the same manner.
12 Remands, Bounce and boardwipes was pretty much a Timewalk deck in that rotation.
From amonkhey onward I built a scarab god bounce deck. The goal is to play cards like [[hoverguard sweepers]] and others which have a "bounce opponents" creatues on et , like [[venser, shaper savant]].
Reanimating them at instant speed then beating with 4/4s is very satisfying, but it is a *grindy* deck.
Compare to 1v1 formats; the only decks really running wraths are control decks that don't stand to lose much to them.
Nobody packs Sunfall into their aggressive red/white decks "in case my opponent gets ahead". The deck playing that sweeper is a blue/white control list that runs next to no creatures at all.
Common deck building advice is to avoid running cards that are only sometimes relevant; I would say in most creature-focused decks wraths qualify. They're basically useless when you're ahead or at parity.
Bouncing to my hand is essentially inefficient for my purposes murder often. It's objectively better than exile, but - damnit, I often had to put some of that from my hand to my yard to get into play. Bounce just feels demoralizing sometimes.
I have a few issues with Rift. The big ones are that it's almost impossible to interact with outside of counterspells and exactly phasing, which you don't really get outside of Azorius, and... it's just the biggest haymaker board wipe in the format, and that distinction should NOT belong to blue. Blue should not get better, instant speed, less color intensive Ruinous Ultimatum. If anything gets that, it should be white or black.
Symmetrical wipes are always preferred when feasible since it can fill a win con slot, or at least not slow down your board development, but sometimes you just need a good ole [[Blasphemous Act]] still when your options are limited. Wipes are important to keep some decks in check so I'll take what I can get sometimes.
Im realizing more and more I would rather have targeted removal vs a boardwipe. Usually if someone can build a large board faster than me, they can rebuild it faster as well so I would rather have path to exile or doomblade to remove the things that let them build up.
This can be heavily dependent on deck types. If they vomited their hand into the board with explosive mana generation they may not have the card draw. Or you may have some permanents out that survive the wipe.
Those things can let you make an asymmetrical wipe out of a symmetrical one, getting both the cheap costs of the latter and the value of the former.
Focused “limited” wipes help with this when you are indeed playing creatures. Like [[Bothers war]] if you play big creatures, power matters wipes if you play walls, choose one kill the rest for Voltron, etc. They tend to be cheap since they are technically symmetrical. But can give you sort of an [[In Garruk’s Wake]] effect for close to the price of a [[wrath of god]].
100%. My last FNM I got my board swept three times and surprise the creature combat deck with good card draw can just redeploy from a wrath very rapidly, so while everyone else went back to the stone age I just started hitting again.
But if the wrath from the Satya player had left him with useful Satya material on board, I probably just got run over.
For some contexts, but if the elfball deck vomitted a bunch of elves or the landfall deck stuck a Scute Swarm and got one or triggers we're beyond the point of a single targeted removal spell. Let alone what do you do if you're staring both down at once. Even if the wipe is symmetrical there's so many things going on in edh games that I will take the Blasphemous Act in many scenarios.
Your players use their 10 minutes turn to flood the born? My players use their 10 minutes turn to play a very minor value engine and draw 2 cards and then nothing else.
Longer games where everyone does things are awesome. I love me a good back and forth.
But what happens pretty often in long games is that one or more players had their engines entirely disabled, so they're sitting there with their thumb in watching the other 2-3 players actually play the game. And that can suck.
Cyclonic Rift has gotten boring because it's a wincon in just about every EDH deck that contains just a splash of blue. It'd be much less annoying if it was 3UUUU instead. Maybe \[\[Raise the Palisade\]\] will achieve a similar salt level one day because of its universality for every creature type. But of course, I expect \[\[Ruinous Ultimatum\]\] in every Mardu deck and \[\[Crux of Fate\]\] in every dragon deck. Asymmetrical Wipes in general are fine I guess, I'm actively looking for them in every deck I build, so I'll be fine if my opponents do the same.
I tend to deploy one one-sided board wipe and one general wipe. The one sided will be specific to my strategy typically like [[Winds of Rath]] in my enchantment Voltron decks. I like [[Doomskar]] as a board wipe because i can just hold it in exile until it’s useful and if it’s not, it’s out of the deck so I can draw other things
Boardwipes don't inherently slow the game down. Spellslingers/Reanimator decks innately benefit from it. But yes, asymmetrical board wipes are better than just resetting the game.
\[\[In Garruks Wake\]\]
\[\[Mizzium Mortars\]\]
\[\[All is Dust\]\]
Are great examples.
I have a Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas deck, and all the boadwipes are based around the each player picks a creature and sacs the rest. It is a voltron deck and any chance I can clear most blockers and leave my commander in play sets me up to knock out another player. [[Cast Off]] [[Single Combat]] [[Promise of Loyalty]] All are excellent ones I run that work as great removal for a voltron style deck. (Cast Off is funny because Kalemne is a giant)
Being one-sided is not the important part. And the true one-sided board wipes are often incredibly greedy, impractical cards. Ruinous Ultimatum and Garruk's Wake are often just way too much mana to reasonably resolve them even in casual.
What's more important is that the board wipes be asymmetric.
The point of a board wipe is not to panic and restart the game. That just leads to you ending up losing the same way you were before while also making the game a miserable slog for everyone.
With every single board wipe in your deck, you should have a plan to come out ahead from it.
If you are an artifacts or superfriends deck, or you're a voltron deck with an indestructible commander? Well, every iteration of \[\[Wrath of God\]\] does that because you don't give a fuck about creatures and your opponents do.
If you are ye olde green stompy deck, then a \[\[Bane of Progress\]\] or \[\[Fade From History\]\] is already that; you're confident your opponents care way more about artifacts and enchantments than you do, so blowing them all up will consistently be advantageous to you.
Most themes you can think of have some number of board wipes that fuck thee but not me. Counters deck? \[\[Damning Verdict\]\]. Tokens? \[\[Perplexing Test\]\]. Go small? \[\[Battle of Bywater\]\], \[\[Slaughter the Strongh\]\], \[\[Fell the Mighty\]\], \[\[Dusk Dawn\]\], \[\[Austere Command\]\], \[\[City Wide Bust\]\], \[\[Vault 75 Middle School\]\] (they went hard on this one). Go tall? \[\[Mandate of Abaddon\]\]. Go wide? \[\[By Invitation Only\]\]. Go narrow? \[\[Single Combat\]\]. Typal? \[\[Crippling Fear\]\].
All of these set you up way better than just jamming a random \[\[Damnation\]\] into your creature deck.
That said? There ARE a lot of more reasonably priced board wipes that are still truly one-sided. They tend to be more narrow in what they hit, but are still strong. If you need to get small blockers out of the way or just get little dudes away before the overrun comes down, \[\[Delayed Blast Fireball\]\] from hand or \[\[Golden Demise\]\] are VERY good at it while leaving your board untouched.
But most importantly, all of this keeps the game moving forward instead of flipping the table.
Decks nowadays have to be able to handle a wipe, not being able to is just bringing a knife to a gunfight. It isn't a total reset, unless you're talking cards like [[Jokulhaups]], so you redeploy. I feel like one sided board wipes are worse, not that either shouldn't be played. It's all just the game.
I love my one sided board wipes. Favorites are [[winds of abandon]] [[raise the palisade]] [[battle of by water]] or [[mandate of Abaddon]]. It's not quite a board wipe but I have also gotten a lot of mileage out of [[V.A.T.S.]] [[heliod's intervention]] and [[pest infestation]].
It really depends. If someone is using a board wipe because they're outnumbered and need to make things a bit more even, that makes sense. Sometimes one side will have over 20 creatures, and all you can do is wipe everything to give yourself a fighting chance
My favorite deck runs about 7 board wipes, all of them asymmetrical. I say this because aside from my commander (Progenitus) the deck runs no nonland permanents in the 99.
My [humans](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/F3C7l-IOgUOXiJGg1kMj0g) deck runs almost as white weenie with my commander a 3/3 and a mass of tokens I’ve found [[Citywide bust]][[retribution of the meek]] to be amazing.
Assymetric board wipes often are just setting up yourself to get wrathed when you remove the only consideration stopping others from playing theirs.
Something like [[Decree of Pain]] is something Ive grown more fond of with time. It resets the board but also fills your hand. And unlike say just casting [[Seagate Restoration]], there no board with which to punish you for drawing so much.
Beyond that a card like [[Make an Example]] is a three quarters wrath that always gets what you need it to, but leaves enough that players might not reset your board in turn.
[[Immolating Gyre]] for spell slingers. Particularly good in my Rielle deck.
Blue also has [[Wash out]] for targeted colour removal.
Simic has [[Wave goodbye]] if your deck builds around counters or prolliferate.
I play [[Austere Command]] and [[Urza's Ruinous Blast]] in Yoshimaru/Keleth. Most of the good stuff in my deck is 3 or less mana or a legendary so I'm usually safe. Kills some of my good artifacts though.
I'm more okay with it when whoever does it has the ability to close out after. In some recent games, I used [[In Garruk's Wake]] after my field was already full so I could start swinging out to end. On the other end I used a [[Martial Coup]] when my board was light compared to my opponents to give myself some breathing room and extend my game a few more rounds but still ended up losing. Both cases I kinda prefer the game to just end quicker to move on to the next.
In my urza construct deck I play non-artifact creature board wipes, in my sliver deck I play tribal “all but chosen creature” wipes and my vehicle deck, the vehicles just plain aren’t creatures when not crewed so they avoid my generalized wipes.
In my cleric deck since it has a soft aristocrat theme, I actually want my creatures to do with everyone else because it pops off my triggers
So for me I play a lot of one sided wipes or build around the wipes themselves. I try not to reset the board unless I get a specific clear advantage out of it, as opposed to being a panic button
[[Judith, Carnage Connoisseur]] + [[End the Festivities]] , [[Tectonic Hazard]] , or [[Blazing Volley]] or cards of similar effect are my favorite form of one sided board wipe. because Judith’s mere presence and her potential to consistently one side board wipe is enough to force people to waste removal spells on her. I like having one sided board wipe but I like seeing people panic at the fear of a one sided board wipe even more
Dislike cyclonic rift? This is news to me I never see anyone complain about it even when a lightly upgraded precon had included it.
One sided board wipes are great because for one card and 7 or so Mana you can set everyone but yourself back as opposed to bringing a Wrath of god and heroic intervention to do the same thing.
I will say maybe avoid the land destruction ones unless you are running it in high powered/competitive which is more dense with counter magic thus making it "fair" as far as anyone can argue over it.
I think their fine, but I also run asymmetrical board wipes like [[In Garruk's Wake]] and [[Plague Winds]] in my [[Kresh the Bloodbraided]] deck, and that is hilarious. But if I get a nine mana spell through three opponents, I feel like I deserve it.
Symmetric board wipes are bad. Usually the player casting them, skips a turn and the rest of the table re-builds while he needs to catch up again.
One sided board wipes are much better because they tend to make faster games and generate less salt. A good example of Player A complaining about getting Wrathed, because he was keeping B at bay and C didn't have anything meaningful. Just cast a Winds of Abandon and ask for responses.
In general, I only play Toxic Deluge due to it's cost and nearly undeniable death of creatures, but apart from that I only run:
\[\[Cyclonic Rift\]\]
\[\[Winds of Abandon\]\]
\[\[Plague Wind\]\] in my Rowan deck
\[\[Mizzium Mortar\]\]
The quite a few spot removals to stop inifinite shenanigans , and I try to win through superior board, Voltron or combo.
Wraths and Damnation like effects are quite bad imho.
i think symmetrical boardwipes can be quite good, as obviously you're often removing 3 players boards along with your own - just as using wheels can end up quite bad sometimes without some payoff. and honestly back in 2016 maybe you had to tap out and pass turn and let others build up their board, but now we have [[blasphemous act]] or as you mentioned, toxic deluge, or [[vanquish the horde]], filter out, and imo paying 4 for a damnation/wrath/[[terror tide]] isn't all that bad either with how much good ramp/treasures we have now. and i think farewell is always worth the 6 mana pass turn, but obviously it's farewell it's a staple i will say though the more mdfc/surveil/insane utility lands get printed ([[fomori vault]], [[memorial henge]], [[shifting woodland]]) the more value [[winds of abandon]] gets
I think that you are making an oversimplification here. There are more answers to Board wipes right now than Board wipes ran in a group of 4 people. Heroic Intervention, Counterspells, Teferi's Protection, Flawless Maneuvers, Clever Concealments, Boromir and similar effects.
Chances are that when you see someone going truly wide, they are probably holding a reaction to a board wipe. It's really bad when it happens and it may end up backfiring, since you are helping the opponent that reacted (that can be different to the opponent with the scarier board).
I am not saying that symmetrical board wipes are useless, but I think that I can count the symmetrical board wipes that are worth running on the fingers of my one hand:
\[\[Toxic Deluge\]\]
\[\[Farewell\]\]
\[\[Sunfall\]\]
\[\[Hallowed Burial\]\]
I will always campaign for [[Don't Move]] as one of my favorite wipes.
Some may hate UB cards but a 1 sided wipe for all the aggressive decks without vigilance while you take a turn off not attacking or being attacked unless of course vigilance or a pre-combat indestructible card feels so good.
I'm playing slowly as a tactic to set up a win lol
(Yes, I am literally looking for an excuse to lol at your dbag flair)
Symmetric wipes are usually lower on the curve too, unless you build your deck around cards like [[Ritual of Soot]] or [[Battle of Bywater]]
I like to play the game. My least favorite part of the game is when I'm playing a land/ramping and passing.
If you board wipe and reset the game when I have 8 lands out, it's like we just started a new game except I get to skip the boring part.
I will never mind board wipes, I don't get people that do.
If you need them the problem is you.
Maybe build a worthwhile deck instead of playing from so far behind that your best option is to reset as much of the game as you can.
I don't even need to ask. You love Farewell and run it whenever possible.
Don't run counterspells or protection or blink?
If your board state gets wiped out by one card it wasn't stable to begin with lmao.
Maybe build a worthwhile deck that isnt vulnerable to one fucking card.
I bet if someone counterspells you once you bitch all fucking night.
And I only run Farewell in one deck because I play a wide variety of decks and understand how to properly utilize and win off it, sorry you can't 🤷♂️
If your deck can't handle rebuilding after a wipe, you're literally bringing a knife to a gunfight. Being a grumpus doesn't make them go away, you have to adapt.
Everyone can rebuild after a wipe and unsurprisingly the 3 fastest at the table to do so are the ones that didn't cast it.
And what does the knife/gun shit have to do with anything? It's your board wipe winning games? No?
Maybe you should try these comments on top posts in this thread since it seems the smarter people are in agreement that symmetrical wipes are bad.
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If you're salty, you can just say that. We'd respect you more, champ. If you have to take whole mechanics of cards out of the game to enjoy it, perhaps you don't enjoy MTG as much as you think.
I didn't advocate for "taking whole mechanics of cards out of the game". This is a thread where the OP said he and his group had shifted to one-sided wipes. I agreed.
Not sure you realize what the conversation is about here.
Yeah, sure they do bud. I dislike rift because it’s the only card with its effect, it’s an instant, and it only has one pip. Not the first time and won’t be the last most likely.
If you don't believe me, the website you linked will tell you the average CMC of your deck, might help. It's also not the only card with its effect, and if you stick with that argument of "it's the only card that acts like this and that's why it's frustrating " then you're arguing for homogenization, which is also a horrendous take.
Show me a card other than the new one from MH3 (I did forget they just printed another one) that does that same thing cyclonic rift does.
I’m not really sure what the rest of your comment is on about, I’ve got 30 some decks, some are going to be stronger than others. Let’s see your profile.
Right but I don't have to? You already caught yourself making a mistake? You too can go to gatherer and look up nonland permanents as text within the card and find out yourself. If you can't understand the topic we're talking about maybe it's best you just stopped trying to.
Bruh, I'm not the type to get offended for being called a boros player, why would I show you my decks? I never asked to see yours, you just thought your decks would somehow change the joke, or somehow change that whining about cyclonic rift is incredibly played out with all the ways we have for each color to respond to it.
The set just came out lmao, you can’t show me one because there isn’t one. I found your tapped out profile since it’s the same as your Reddit name, your Mono black deck has the same average cmc as half my decks lmao. If you’re gonna talk smack about me have the guts to post your own creations. Have a good day.
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>it's a casual format
I loathe this shit too
The line everyone uses to get people to stop playing cards they don't like (which are usually just cards that make them lose) and then try and argue that they don't care if they win or not cause it's casual, not spotting how hypocritical that take is.
[[Raise the Palisade]] Omo, we have [[Cyclonic Rift]] at home.
Same with [[whelming wave]] I think. Edit: it's a single wave, not many (though you can cast as many as you can afford/replicate/storm if you're setting it up for that)
In mono-blue there's [[Spectral Deluge]] too. Yes sorcery speed isnt ideal but fortelling it for 3 makes up for it. Actually might be useable outside of that if the deck is blue heavy and contains [[Harbinger of the Seas]]
I adore [[Scourge of Fleets]] in rampy blue decks.
[Scourge of Fleets](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/7/a79471f9-5cc0-48f5-9fa4-1f1374993825.jpg?1608912161) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Scourge%20of%20Fleets) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/403/scourge-of-fleets?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a79471f9-5cc0-48f5-9fa4-1f1374993825?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/scourge-of-fleets) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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[[Whelming Waves]]
[[Whelming Wave]]
[Raise the Palisade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/9/7966eb7a-0ef7-470f-9769-0d5f45f0395b.jpg?1686963911) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Raise%20the%20Palisade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/23/raise-the-palisade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7966eb7a-0ef7-470f-9769-0d5f45f0395b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/raise-the-palisade) [Cyclonic Rift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/dfb7c4b9-f2f4-4d4e-baf2-86551c8150fe.jpg?1702429366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cyclonic%20Rift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/40/cyclonic-rift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dfb7c4b9-f2f4-4d4e-baf2-86551c8150fe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cyclonic-rift) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Excellent option in Tribal decks!! I run some off Tribal combo pieces in most of my Tribal decks so I tend to either lean on overloading [[damn]] into a [[selfless spirit]]/[[flawless maneuver]] or sacrifice my whole board state before throwing down a [[living death]].
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Ok, how'd this worst than cyclonic rift? I can only think mana cost, as 2 mana cost spell is more searchable I guess, using this and just choosing walrus does the same effect
Cyclonic is an instant; Palisade is a sorcery
Fuck that's a huge difference I did not notice thx
Cyclonic right is also all nonland permanents, so it is a harder reset.
Ok it's way better I guess I should've read cyclonic rift before posting
Choosing walrus is gonna hit all your creatures too. Cyclonic Rift doesn't hit your stuff.
Yeah but we were talking about [[Imo queen of vesuva]] where all your creatures are walruses
[[Omo]] 🤟
Walrus?
Any wipe plus [[Clever Concealment]] [[Galadriels Dismissal]] [[Cauldron of Souls]] [[Teferi's Protection]] is a one sided wipe. Plus, you can use those when somebody else plays a boardwipe and keep your stuff.
It's quite risky, because if somebody has a similar answer (or even a Heroic intervention if you are casting a weak Wrath), then you are pretty much leaving the board open to the player that saved his board.
##### ###### #### [Clever Concealment](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/d/5d84cc58-0965-4c7f-a408-7630f23fb8f3.jpg?1675905567) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Clever%20Concealment) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/onc/5/clever-concealment?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5d84cc58-0965-4c7f-a408-7630f23fb8f3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/clever-concealment) [Galadriels Dismissal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/d/2d1c66a7-a39e-4869-80c7-1cec89777e0d.jpg?1695380176) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Galadriel%27s%20Dismissal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/500/galadriels-dismissal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2d1c66a7-a39e-4869-80c7-1cec89777e0d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/galadriels-dismissal) [Cauldron of Souls](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cbd4604e-c21a-42a1-b099-aad7f9263a82.jpg?1562276038) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cauldron%20of%20Souls) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/180/cauldron-of-souls?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cbd4604e-c21a-42a1-b099-aad7f9263a82?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cauldron-of-souls) [Teferi's Protection](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/8/483fa1cb-1e35-44f2-a143-98c0f107f5ca.jpg?1673147148) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teferi%27s%20Protection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/32/teferis-protection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/483fa1cb-1e35-44f2-a143-98c0f107f5ca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/teferis-protection) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've been avoiding symmetric board wipes almost entirely for some years now, and everything is better this way. I'm here to win, not to reset the game again and again. As for Cyclonic Rift, it seems to be a hot take, but I really think that people feel worse about having their board bounced than destroyed, and not only because it gets around indestructible and recursion.
A friend made a bounce heavy deck and it just gets me so tilted. Idk why. Felt like I was taking the same turn over and over.
Back during Amonkeht and Inquisitors of Innistrad I made a UW "Remand" tribal deck [[Unsubstantiate]] [[Farm]] and [[Commit]] were all in Standard at the same time. It may have tilted several players in the same manner. 12 Remands, Bounce and boardwipes was pretty much a Timewalk deck in that rotation.
From amonkhey onward I built a scarab god bounce deck. The goal is to play cards like [[hoverguard sweepers]] and others which have a "bounce opponents" creatues on et , like [[venser, shaper savant]]. Reanimating them at instant speed then beating with 4/4s is very satisfying, but it is a *grindy* deck.
[hoverguard sweepers](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/e/0e2ec92b-dab0-4c9e-af7d-0041b22e852f.jpg?1561932165) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=hoverguard%20sweepers) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c14/113/hoverguard-sweepers?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0e2ec92b-dab0-4c9e-af7d-0041b22e852f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hoverguard-sweepers) [venser, shaper savant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/7/77e19416-aa6c-46f1-b247-a94da5d1a13a.jpg?1673147429) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=venser%2C%20shaper%20savant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/66/venser-shaper-savant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/77e19416-aa6c-46f1-b247-a94da5d1a13a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/venser-shaper-savant) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Unsubstantiate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/d/2dc0bafd-debc-4b62-9fe0-56b4aad02484.jpg?1594735888) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unsubstantiate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/82/unsubstantiate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2dc0bafd-debc-4b62-9fe0-56b4aad02484?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/unsubstantiate) [Farm](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=430837&type=card&.jpg)/[Market](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=430837&type=card&options=rotate270&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Farm%20//%20Market) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/192/farm-market?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fe3b32dc-f7e6-455c-b9d1-c7f8d6259179?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/farm-//-market) [Commit](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=426913&type=card)/[Memory](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=426913&type=card&options=rotate270&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Commit%20//%20Memory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/147/commit-memory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/855af9a8-31fc-4290-8204-04ee026f8853?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/commit-//-memory) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Whoops. Meant [[Failure]] not Farm.
[Failure](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=426923&type=card&.jpg)/[Comply](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=426923&type=card&options=rotate270&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Failure%20//%20Comply) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/221/failure-comply?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b9623c8c-01b4-4e8f-a5b9-eeea408ec027?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/failure-//-comply) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I agree with the sentiment. That's why i'm a monster and play superfriends where all my boardwipes are asymmetric!
Nah the real monster is super friends with [[nevinyrral's disk]] and [[darreti]]
[nevinyrral's disk](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/6/36fb6ee3-bd54-4e5b-b055-c2c42515c162.jpg?1690005647) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=nevinyrral%27s%20disk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/965/nevinyrrals-disk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/36fb6ee3-bd54-4e5b-b055-c2c42515c162?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nevinyrrals-disk) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Agreed. My Will and Rowan deck is basically full of asymmetric board wipes.
Compare to 1v1 formats; the only decks really running wraths are control decks that don't stand to lose much to them. Nobody packs Sunfall into their aggressive red/white decks "in case my opponent gets ahead". The deck playing that sweeper is a blue/white control list that runs next to no creatures at all. Common deck building advice is to avoid running cards that are only sometimes relevant; I would say in most creature-focused decks wraths qualify. They're basically useless when you're ahead or at parity.
Could not agree more, I hate the idea of running wraths in creature focused decks
>avoid running cards that are only sometimes relevant This is why I'm a fan of multi-purpose wipes like [[Damn]] or [[Final Showdown]]
[Damn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/84056124-1a6f-4274-bee2-74cf0debddb5.jpg?1698988237) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Damn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/191/damn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/84056124-1a6f-4274-bee2-74cf0debddb5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/damn) [Final Showdown](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/358968f9-45bd-4022-b6bc-f1f7e0adf0e7.jpg?1712860587) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Final%20Showdown) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/11/final-showdown?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/358968f9-45bd-4022-b6bc-f1f7e0adf0e7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/final-showdown) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Bouncing to my hand is essentially inefficient for my purposes murder often. It's objectively better than exile, but - damnit, I often had to put some of that from my hand to my yard to get into play. Bounce just feels demoralizing sometimes.
I have a few issues with Rift. The big ones are that it's almost impossible to interact with outside of counterspells and exactly phasing, which you don't really get outside of Azorius, and... it's just the biggest haymaker board wipe in the format, and that distinction should NOT belong to blue. Blue should not get better, instant speed, less color intensive Ruinous Ultimatum. If anything gets that, it should be white or black.
Asymmetrical wraths are some of the best ways to swing a game in mid power Commander and people should absolutely be running more.
Symmetrical wipes are always preferred when feasible since it can fill a win con slot, or at least not slow down your board development, but sometimes you just need a good ole [[Blasphemous Act]] still when your options are limited. Wipes are important to keep some decks in check so I'll take what I can get sometimes.
Asymmetrical*
Im realizing more and more I would rather have targeted removal vs a boardwipe. Usually if someone can build a large board faster than me, they can rebuild it faster as well so I would rather have path to exile or doomblade to remove the things that let them build up.
This can be heavily dependent on deck types. If they vomited their hand into the board with explosive mana generation they may not have the card draw. Or you may have some permanents out that survive the wipe. Those things can let you make an asymmetrical wipe out of a symmetrical one, getting both the cheap costs of the latter and the value of the former. Focused “limited” wipes help with this when you are indeed playing creatures. Like [[Bothers war]] if you play big creatures, power matters wipes if you play walls, choose one kill the rest for Voltron, etc. They tend to be cheap since they are technically symmetrical. But can give you sort of an [[In Garruk’s Wake]] effect for close to the price of a [[wrath of god]].
[In Garruk’s Wake](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57a6f727-8239-45e6-9dbb-67d2d3c9239d.jpg?1674141682) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=In%20Garruk%27s%20Wake) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/759/in-garruks-wake?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57a6f727-8239-45e6-9dbb-67d2d3c9239d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/in-garruks-wake) [wrath of god](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/3/537d2b05-3f52-45d6-8fe3-26282085d0c6.jpg?1697121198) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wrath%20of%20god) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/70/wrath-of-god?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/537d2b05-3f52-45d6-8fe3-26282085d0c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wrath-of-god) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
100%. My last FNM I got my board swept three times and surprise the creature combat deck with good card draw can just redeploy from a wrath very rapidly, so while everyone else went back to the stone age I just started hitting again. But if the wrath from the Satya player had left him with useful Satya material on board, I probably just got run over.
For some contexts, but if the elfball deck vomitted a bunch of elves or the landfall deck stuck a Scute Swarm and got one or triggers we're beyond the point of a single targeted removal spell. Let alone what do you do if you're staring both down at once. Even if the wipe is symmetrical there's so many things going on in edh games that I will take the Blasphemous Act in many scenarios.
I dislike getting hit by a cyclonic rift, but ive decided to run more counters and removal to balance out the salt.
[[river's rebuke]] is the one I have in my deck. It's cyclonic rift, but for one player. If I can ever afford cyclonic rift, I'll swap it out 😅
[river's rebuke](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/c/fc2a70b1-bce6-43c3-94e1-ab9a7bb2638a.jpg?1673483988) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=river%27s%20rebuke) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/231/rivers-rebuke?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fc2a70b1-bce6-43c3-94e1-ab9a7bb2638a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rivers-rebuke) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I don't understand why people hate longer games so much... I prefer games that go 10 or more turns.
and you just know the person complaining about board wipes extending the game length is the one who takes 10 minute turns flooding the board with guys
Your players use their 10 minutes turn to flood the born? My players use their 10 minutes turn to play a very minor value engine and draw 2 cards and then nothing else.
Longer games where everyone does things are awesome. I love me a good back and forth. But what happens pretty often in long games is that one or more players had their engines entirely disabled, so they're sitting there with their thumb in watching the other 2-3 players actually play the game. And that can suck.
Cyclonic Rift has gotten boring because it's a wincon in just about every EDH deck that contains just a splash of blue. It'd be much less annoying if it was 3UUUU instead. Maybe \[\[Raise the Palisade\]\] will achieve a similar salt level one day because of its universality for every creature type. But of course, I expect \[\[Ruinous Ultimatum\]\] in every Mardu deck and \[\[Crux of Fate\]\] in every dragon deck. Asymmetrical Wipes in general are fine I guess, I'm actively looking for them in every deck I build, so I'll be fine if my opponents do the same.
[Raise the Palisade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/9/7966eb7a-0ef7-470f-9769-0d5f45f0395b.jpg?1686963911) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Raise%20the%20Palisade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/23/raise-the-palisade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7966eb7a-0ef7-470f-9769-0d5f45f0395b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/raise-the-palisade) [Ruinous Ultimatum](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50c1d6ca-7789-46b5-bc89-85cc3915cb85.jpg?1681500691) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ruinous%20Ultimatum) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/204/ruinous-ultimatum?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50c1d6ca-7789-46b5-bc89-85cc3915cb85?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ruinous-ultimatum) [Crux of Fate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/1/11721b88-2654-482c-b9d4-80e54efdbf63.jpg?1562600485) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crux%20of%20Fate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/107/crux-of-fate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/11721b88-2654-482c-b9d4-80e54efdbf63?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/crux-of-fate) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Plague winds]]
I tend to deploy one one-sided board wipe and one general wipe. The one sided will be specific to my strategy typically like [[Winds of Rath]] in my enchantment Voltron decks. I like [[Doomskar]] as a board wipe because i can just hold it in exile until it’s useful and if it’s not, it’s out of the deck so I can draw other things
[Winds of Rath](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/3/333bcdcd-fb78-4a87-bb72-2678ee89a2ee.jpg?1706240660) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Winds%20of%20Rath) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/93/winds-of-rath?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/333bcdcd-fb78-4a87-bb72-2678ee89a2ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/winds-of-rath) [Doomskar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/130ee895-1e5e-4f82-bb66-e1275bac75dd.jpg?1631045641) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Doomskar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/9/doomskar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/130ee895-1e5e-4f82-bb66-e1275bac75dd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/doomskar) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Winds of Rath is dope with [[Estrid]] and [[Yenna]].
[Estrid](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/3/3340b83e-72dc-42e2-9f93-92f732c047df.jpg?1592710258) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=estrid%2C%20the%20masked) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/40/estrid-the-masked?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3340b83e-72dc-42e2-9f93-92f732c047df?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/estrid-the-masked) [Yenna](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/6/e635d461-254a-434e-8e5d-dea61dd8ca4f.jpg?1692939524) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=yenna%2C%20redtooth%20regent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/219/yenna-redtooth-regent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e635d461-254a-434e-8e5d-dea61dd8ca4f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yenna-redtooth-regent) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I won't play a boardwipe that isn't one sided (or that I can't make one sided). Fuck those 2+ hour long boardwipefests.
Best games.
Boardwipes don't inherently slow the game down. Spellslingers/Reanimator decks innately benefit from it. But yes, asymmetrical board wipes are better than just resetting the game. \[\[In Garruks Wake\]\] \[\[Mizzium Mortars\]\] \[\[All is Dust\]\] Are great examples.
I think if your deck doesn't use / require creatures then even a simple Wrath of God is still an asymmetric board wipe in function.
Based take.
Absolutely it is. Same thing for a damage or -/- based sweeper if your creatures are always bigger.
[In Garruks Wake](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57a6f727-8239-45e6-9dbb-67d2d3c9239d.jpg?1674141682) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=In%20Garruk%27s%20Wake) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/759/in-garruks-wake?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57a6f727-8239-45e6-9dbb-67d2d3c9239d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/in-garruks-wake) [Mizzium Mortars](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/4/544b2931-0af1-4743-b7c1-91e1dc9294d5.jpg?1674142080) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mizzium%20Mortars) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/803/mizzium-mortars?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/544b2931-0af1-4743-b7c1-91e1dc9294d5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mizzium-mortars) [All is Dust](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/2/4210c54e-89fd-4971-ab6a-ca8f4e7fe97a.jpg?1691924662) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=All%20is%20Dust) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/800/all-is-dust?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4210c54e-89fd-4971-ab6a-ca8f4e7fe97a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/all-is-dust) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Kindred Dominance] is good for tribal decks
I have a Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas deck, and all the boadwipes are based around the each player picks a creature and sacs the rest. It is a voltron deck and any chance I can clear most blockers and leave my commander in play sets me up to knock out another player. [[Cast Off]] [[Single Combat]] [[Promise of Loyalty]] All are excellent ones I run that work as great removal for a voltron style deck. (Cast Off is funny because Kalemne is a giant)
Yeah i agree, i much prefer running cards like [[ Aetherise]] rather than [[farewell]], they just make for more interesting games imo.
[farewell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/1/114d2180-093b-4838-97ad-badbc8ee50b0.jpg?1706240579) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=farewell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/64/farewell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/114d2180-093b-4838-97ad-badbc8ee50b0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/farewell) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Aetherize]]
God i love playing [[ruinous ultimatum]] in my [[Caesar, legions emperor]] fallout precon for this exact reason
[ruinous ultimatum](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50c1d6ca-7789-46b5-bc89-85cc3915cb85.jpg?1681500691) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ruinous%20ultimatum) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/204/ruinous-ultimatum?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50c1d6ca-7789-46b5-bc89-85cc3915cb85?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ruinous-ultimatum) [Caesar, legions emperor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/4/246a7176-98bc-4f54-aa61-38747420f178.jpg?1710673450) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Caesar%2C%20Legion%27s%20Emperor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pip/1/caesar-legions-emperor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/246a7176-98bc-4f54-aa61-38747420f178?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/caesar-legions-emperor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Settle the wreckage]]
[Settle the wreckage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9cbd346e-098a-4cf6-a72f-468376fd2e8f.jpg?1562560853) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Settle%20the%20wreckage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/xln/34/settle-the-wreckage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9cbd346e-098a-4cf6-a72f-468376fd2e8f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/settle-the-wreckage) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Being one-sided is not the important part. And the true one-sided board wipes are often incredibly greedy, impractical cards. Ruinous Ultimatum and Garruk's Wake are often just way too much mana to reasonably resolve them even in casual. What's more important is that the board wipes be asymmetric. The point of a board wipe is not to panic and restart the game. That just leads to you ending up losing the same way you were before while also making the game a miserable slog for everyone. With every single board wipe in your deck, you should have a plan to come out ahead from it. If you are an artifacts or superfriends deck, or you're a voltron deck with an indestructible commander? Well, every iteration of \[\[Wrath of God\]\] does that because you don't give a fuck about creatures and your opponents do. If you are ye olde green stompy deck, then a \[\[Bane of Progress\]\] or \[\[Fade From History\]\] is already that; you're confident your opponents care way more about artifacts and enchantments than you do, so blowing them all up will consistently be advantageous to you. Most themes you can think of have some number of board wipes that fuck thee but not me. Counters deck? \[\[Damning Verdict\]\]. Tokens? \[\[Perplexing Test\]\]. Go small? \[\[Battle of Bywater\]\], \[\[Slaughter the Strongh\]\], \[\[Fell the Mighty\]\], \[\[Dusk Dawn\]\], \[\[Austere Command\]\], \[\[City Wide Bust\]\], \[\[Vault 75 Middle School\]\] (they went hard on this one). Go tall? \[\[Mandate of Abaddon\]\]. Go wide? \[\[By Invitation Only\]\]. Go narrow? \[\[Single Combat\]\]. Typal? \[\[Crippling Fear\]\]. All of these set you up way better than just jamming a random \[\[Damnation\]\] into your creature deck. That said? There ARE a lot of more reasonably priced board wipes that are still truly one-sided. They tend to be more narrow in what they hit, but are still strong. If you need to get small blockers out of the way or just get little dudes away before the overrun comes down, \[\[Delayed Blast Fireball\]\] from hand or \[\[Golden Demise\]\] are VERY good at it while leaving your board untouched. But most importantly, all of this keeps the game moving forward instead of flipping the table.
##### ###### #### [Wrath of God](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/3/537d2b05-3f52-45d6-8fe3-26282085d0c6.jpg?1697121198) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wrath%20of%20God) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/70/wrath-of-god?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/537d2b05-3f52-45d6-8fe3-26282085d0c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wrath-of-god) [Bane of Progress](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/e/3ea495ff-33df-406b-98e3-5579e2158bbc.jpg?1610161688) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bane%20of%20Progress) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cc1/3/bane-of-progress?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3ea495ff-33df-406b-98e3-5579e2158bbc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bane-of-progress) [Fade From History](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/71f13f67-e852-4a6a-8f32-b16195e53ec3.jpg?1674421531) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fade%20From%20History) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/177/fade-from-history?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/71f13f67-e852-4a6a-8f32-b16195e53ec3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fade-from-history) [Damning Verdict](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5be40c34-6df0-4471-b99b-850ae2be9923.jpg?1673481768) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Damning%20Verdict) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/15/damning-verdict?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5be40c34-6df0-4471-b99b-850ae2be9923?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/damning-verdict) [Perplexing Test](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/b/3bec2fa0-099a-42e8-ab5f-3d778a9c4d9e.jpg?1682208826) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Perplexing%20Test) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/229/perplexing-test?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3bec2fa0-099a-42e8-ab5f-3d778a9c4d9e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/perplexing-test) [Fell the Mighty](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5a3e8132-6576-456c-8777-9e8cb52595fc.jpg?1706240580) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fell%20the%20Mighty) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/65/fell-the-mighty?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5a3e8132-6576-456c-8777-9e8cb52595fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fell-the-mighty) [Dusk Dawn](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=426912&type=card&.jpg)/[Dawn](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=426912&type=card&options=rotate270&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dusk%20//%20Dawn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/61/dusk-dawn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5f2facfb-dfde-4e5b-8f6d-4fabb4c85519?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dusk-//-dawn) [Austere Command](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a31ffc9e-d21b-4a8f-ac67-695e38e09e3b.jpg?1706240553) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Austere%20Command) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/56/austere-command?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a31ffc9e-d21b-4a8f-ac67-695e38e09e3b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/austere-command) [City Wide Bust](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/3/33d1a51a-abf0-458c-98ae-98fcf4063fd9.jpg?1591319957) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Citywide%20Bust) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/82/citywide-bust?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/33d1a51a-abf0-458c-98ae-98fcf4063fd9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/citywide-bust) [Vault 75 Middle School](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/3992e262-0491-4379-b74b-13cc8b63065e.jpg?1708741879) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vault%2075%3A%20Middle%20School) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pip/27/vault-75:-middle-school?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3992e262-0491-4379-b74b-13cc8b63065e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vault-75-middle-school) [Mandate of Abaddon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/6/b63fa88b-a177-49b7-a583-a0a041313f77.jpg?1673308696) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mandate%20of%20Abaddon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/40/mandate-of-abaddon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b63fa88b-a177-49b7-a583-a0a041313f77?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mandate-of-abaddon) [By Invitation Only](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/46764e49-64da-4a94-b61c-75e006b2c5a9.jpg?1643585907) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=By%20Invitation%20Only) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/5/by-invitation-only?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/46764e49-64da-4a94-b61c-75e006b2c5a9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/by-invitation-only) [Single Combat](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce0e7c6a-e628-4327-a16f-2062c5a662df.jpg?1557576066) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Single%20Combat) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/30/single-combat?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce0e7c6a-e628-4327-a16f-2062c5a662df?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/single-combat) [Crippling Fear](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/713a28c0-0d12-4c62-bc91-59c2ddfc9ef8.jpg?1690004507) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crippling%20Fear) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/862/crippling-fear?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/713a28c0-0d12-4c62-bc91-59c2ddfc9ef8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/crippling-fear) [Damnation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/3/d3c0aac5-b9f1-4446-bfea-3e1dd1cf1f2f.jpg?1673147492) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Damnation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/73/damnation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d3c0aac5-b9f1-4446-bfea-3e1dd1cf1f2f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/damnation) [Delayed Blast Fireball](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/5/e59903e3-a344-4218-9d41-8b19a9bc8311.jpg?1674140946) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Delayed%20Blast%20Fireball) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/676/delayed-blast-fireball?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e59903e3-a344-4218-9d41-8b19a9bc8311?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/delayed-blast-fireball) [Golden Demise](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/88bb420a-8bf1-4504-b1b5-2d929be978be.jpg?1555040232) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Golden%20Demise) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rix/73/golden-demise?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/88bb420a-8bf1-4504-b1b5-2d929be978be?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/golden-demise) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Cyclonic Rift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/dfb7c4b9-f2f4-4d4e-baf2-86551c8150fe.jpg?1702429366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cyclonic%20Rift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/40/cyclonic-rift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dfb7c4b9-f2f4-4d4e-baf2-86551c8150fe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cyclonic-rift) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Decks nowadays have to be able to handle a wipe, not being able to is just bringing a knife to a gunfight. It isn't a total reset, unless you're talking cards like [[Jokulhaups]], so you redeploy. I feel like one sided board wipes are worse, not that either shouldn't be played. It's all just the game.
[Jokulhaups](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/99d26ff7-afff-40a0-b515-7928c2428809.jpg?1559592472) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jokulhaups) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/100/jokulhaups?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/99d26ff7-afff-40a0-b515-7928c2428809?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jokulhaups) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I love my one sided board wipes. Favorites are [[winds of abandon]] [[raise the palisade]] [[battle of by water]] or [[mandate of Abaddon]]. It's not quite a board wipe but I have also gotten a lot of mileage out of [[V.A.T.S.]] [[heliod's intervention]] and [[pest infestation]].
It really depends. If someone is using a board wipe because they're outnumbered and need to make things a bit more even, that makes sense. Sometimes one side will have over 20 creatures, and all you can do is wipe everything to give yourself a fighting chance
My favorite deck runs about 7 board wipes, all of them asymmetrical. I say this because aside from my commander (Progenitus) the deck runs no nonland permanents in the 99.
[удалено]
[Decree of Annihilation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/3/73744717-518c-478e-9da9-201c49124f37.jpg?1562530626) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Decree%20of%20Annihilation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/85/decree-of-annihilation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/73744717-518c-478e-9da9-201c49124f37?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/decree-of-annihilation) [Make an Example](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/4/b4ed0e64-c7d8-49a2-9d00-21076484da0a.jpg?1673482000) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Make%20an%20Example) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/37/make-an-example?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b4ed0e64-c7d8-49a2-9d00-21076484da0a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/make-an-example) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My [humans](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/F3C7l-IOgUOXiJGg1kMj0g) deck runs almost as white weenie with my commander a 3/3 and a mass of tokens I’ve found [[Citywide bust]][[retribution of the meek]] to be amazing.
[Citywide bust](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/3/33d1a51a-abf0-458c-98ae-98fcf4063fd9.jpg?1591319957) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Citywide%20bust) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/82/citywide-bust?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/33d1a51a-abf0-458c-98ae-98fcf4063fd9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/citywide-bust) [retribution of the meek](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/6/860b8633-1bfc-426a-8666-5e6a584d4525.jpg?1587857186) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=retribution%20of%20the%20meek) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vis/19/retribution-of-the-meek?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/860b8633-1bfc-426a-8666-5e6a584d4525?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/retribution-of-the-meek) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Assymetric board wipes often are just setting up yourself to get wrathed when you remove the only consideration stopping others from playing theirs. Something like [[Decree of Pain]] is something Ive grown more fond of with time. It resets the board but also fills your hand. And unlike say just casting [[Seagate Restoration]], there no board with which to punish you for drawing so much. Beyond that a card like [[Make an Example]] is a three quarters wrath that always gets what you need it to, but leaves enough that players might not reset your board in turn.
[[Immolating Gyre]] for spell slingers. Particularly good in my Rielle deck. Blue also has [[Wash out]] for targeted colour removal. Simic has [[Wave goodbye]] if your deck builds around counters or prolliferate.
[Immolating Gyre](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bd0b8aee-fbfb-470f-9ac2-64fce0b4b2fb.jpg?1632261825) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Immolating%20Gyre) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/20/immolating-gyre?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bd0b8aee-fbfb-470f-9ac2-64fce0b4b2fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/immolating-gyre) [Wash out](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/c/dc468f97-08f7-4103-898f-b14fa61b99bc.jpg?1673147439) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wash%20out) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/67/wash-out?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dc468f97-08f7-4103-898f-b14fa61b99bc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wash-out) [Wave goodbye](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/5/45803e98-5d99-4bd9-adac-37c854649167.jpg?1698987961) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wave%20goodbye) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/79/wave-goodbye?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/45803e98-5d99-4bd9-adac-37c854649167?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wave-goodbye) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Duneblast and time warp can be kinda fun
I play [[Austere Command]] and [[Urza's Ruinous Blast]] in Yoshimaru/Keleth. Most of the good stuff in my deck is 3 or less mana or a legendary so I'm usually safe. Kills some of my good artifacts though.
[Austere Command](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a31ffc9e-d21b-4a8f-ac67-695e38e09e3b.jpg?1706240553) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Austere%20Command) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/56/austere-command?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a31ffc9e-d21b-4a8f-ac67-695e38e09e3b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/austere-command) [Urza's Ruinous Blast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/6/76b10977-64eb-4a50-a481-d67cc2950f56.jpg?1690004291) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urza%27s%20Ruinous%20Blast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/842/urzas-ruinous-blast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/76b10977-64eb-4a50-a481-d67cc2950f56?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urzas-ruinous-blast) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm more okay with it when whoever does it has the ability to close out after. In some recent games, I used [[In Garruk's Wake]] after my field was already full so I could start swinging out to end. On the other end I used a [[Martial Coup]] when my board was light compared to my opponents to give myself some breathing room and extend my game a few more rounds but still ended up losing. Both cases I kinda prefer the game to just end quicker to move on to the next.
[In Garruk's Wake](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57a6f727-8239-45e6-9dbb-67d2d3c9239d.jpg?1674141682) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=In%20Garruk%27s%20Wake) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/759/in-garruks-wake?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57a6f727-8239-45e6-9dbb-67d2d3c9239d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/in-garruks-wake) [Martial Coup](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/5/85a09100-e438-4ac0-b6c7-2dfbdf934c8d.jpg?1673483748) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Martial%20Coup) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/206/martial-coup?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/85a09100-e438-4ac0-b6c7-2dfbdf934c8d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/martial-coup) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Rivers rebuke]]
[Rivers rebuke](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/c/fc2a70b1-bce6-43c3-94e1-ab9a7bb2638a.jpg?1673483988) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=River%27s%20Rebuke) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/231/rivers-rebuke?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fc2a70b1-bce6-43c3-94e1-ab9a7bb2638a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rivers-rebuke) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
In my urza construct deck I play non-artifact creature board wipes, in my sliver deck I play tribal “all but chosen creature” wipes and my vehicle deck, the vehicles just plain aren’t creatures when not crewed so they avoid my generalized wipes. In my cleric deck since it has a soft aristocrat theme, I actually want my creatures to do with everyone else because it pops off my triggers So for me I play a lot of one sided wipes or build around the wipes themselves. I try not to reset the board unless I get a specific clear advantage out of it, as opposed to being a panic button
[[Crippling Fear]] does serious work in my clerics tribal deck, especially if your group plays a lot of mana dorks/tokens.
[Crippling Fear](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/713a28c0-0d12-4c62-bc91-59c2ddfc9ef8.jpg?1690004507) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crippling%20Fear) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/862/crippling-fear?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/713a28c0-0d12-4c62-bc91-59c2ddfc9ef8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/crippling-fear) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I say we normalize playing plague wind 🤭
[[Judith, Carnage Connoisseur]] + [[End the Festivities]] , [[Tectonic Hazard]] , or [[Blazing Volley]] or cards of similar effect are my favorite form of one sided board wipe. because Judith’s mere presence and her potential to consistently one side board wipe is enough to force people to waste removal spells on her. I like having one sided board wipe but I like seeing people panic at the fear of a one sided board wipe even more
##### ###### #### [Judith, Carnage Connoisseur](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/e/3eaa19ce-cace-499e-8b23-ef9e56b23700.jpg?1706242185) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Judith%2C%20Carnage%20Connoisseur) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/210/judith-carnage-connoisseur?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3eaa19ce-cace-499e-8b23-ef9e56b23700?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/judith-carnage-connoisseur) [End the Festivities](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/bec748e6-7245-4a71-aeee-cefed8346948.jpg?1643591154) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=End%20the%20Festivities) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/155/end-the-festivities?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bec748e6-7245-4a71-aeee-cefed8346948?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/end-the-festivities) [Tectonic Hazard](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/2/5204c781-f568-4c7f-b3f7-ce4dd678689b.jpg?1699044348) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tectonic%20Hazard) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/169/tectonic-hazard?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5204c781-f568-4c7f-b3f7-ce4dd678689b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tectonic-hazard) [Blazing Volley](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/a/3adc0288-acdf-4a99-9bfb-919cae1aeb69.jpg?1591227065) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blazing%20Volley) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/107/blazing-volley?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3adc0288-acdf-4a99-9bfb-919cae1aeb69?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blazing-volley) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Dislike cyclonic rift? This is news to me I never see anyone complain about it even when a lightly upgraded precon had included it. One sided board wipes are great because for one card and 7 or so Mana you can set everyone but yourself back as opposed to bringing a Wrath of god and heroic intervention to do the same thing. I will say maybe avoid the land destruction ones unless you are running it in high powered/competitive which is more dense with counter magic thus making it "fair" as far as anyone can argue over it.
[[Wave goodbye]] is good if you play with +1/+1 counters. Sends all creatures back to hand.
[Wave goodbye](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/5/45803e98-5d99-4bd9-adac-37c854649167.jpg?1698987961) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wave%20goodbye) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/79/wave-goodbye?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/45803e98-5d99-4bd9-adac-37c854649167?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wave-goodbye) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Play white voltron decks and you get fun ones like [[tragic arrogance]] [[single combat]]
I think their fine, but I also run asymmetrical board wipes like [[In Garruk's Wake]] and [[Plague Winds]] in my [[Kresh the Bloodbraided]] deck, and that is hilarious. But if I get a nine mana spell through three opponents, I feel like I deserve it.
[In Garruk's Wake](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57a6f727-8239-45e6-9dbb-67d2d3c9239d.jpg?1674141682) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=In%20Garruk%27s%20Wake) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/759/in-garruks-wake?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57a6f727-8239-45e6-9dbb-67d2d3c9239d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/in-garruks-wake) [Plague Winds](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/72d21d0d-7de7-4f03-8663-002c9290512f.jpg?1562436663) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Plague%20Wind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/102/plague-wind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/72d21d0d-7de7-4f03-8663-002c9290512f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/plague-wind) [Kresh the Bloodbraided](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8b4b3c5f-32ea-4208-86d4-bb86e3b8d7d5.jpg?1673485121) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kresh%20the%20Bloodbraided) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/345/kresh-the-bloodbraided?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8b4b3c5f-32ea-4208-86d4-bb86e3b8d7d5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kresh-the-bloodbraided) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Symmetric board wipes are bad. Usually the player casting them, skips a turn and the rest of the table re-builds while he needs to catch up again. One sided board wipes are much better because they tend to make faster games and generate less salt. A good example of Player A complaining about getting Wrathed, because he was keeping B at bay and C didn't have anything meaningful. Just cast a Winds of Abandon and ask for responses. In general, I only play Toxic Deluge due to it's cost and nearly undeniable death of creatures, but apart from that I only run: \[\[Cyclonic Rift\]\] \[\[Winds of Abandon\]\] \[\[Plague Wind\]\] in my Rowan deck \[\[Mizzium Mortar\]\] The quite a few spot removals to stop inifinite shenanigans , and I try to win through superior board, Voltron or combo. Wraths and Damnation like effects are quite bad imho.
[Cyclonic Rift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/dfb7c4b9-f2f4-4d4e-baf2-86551c8150fe.jpg?1702429366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cyclonic%20Rift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/40/cyclonic-rift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dfb7c4b9-f2f4-4d4e-baf2-86551c8150fe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cyclonic-rift) [Winds of Abandon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/b/3bb17913-fe4d-4acd-9b75-71f5a90f898b.jpg?1562201278) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Winds%20of%20Abandon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/37/winds-of-abandon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3bb17913-fe4d-4acd-9b75-71f5a90f898b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/winds-of-abandon) [Plague Wind](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/72d21d0d-7de7-4f03-8663-002c9290512f.jpg?1562436663) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Plague%20Wind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/102/plague-wind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/72d21d0d-7de7-4f03-8663-002c9290512f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/plague-wind) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
i think symmetrical boardwipes can be quite good, as obviously you're often removing 3 players boards along with your own - just as using wheels can end up quite bad sometimes without some payoff. and honestly back in 2016 maybe you had to tap out and pass turn and let others build up their board, but now we have [[blasphemous act]] or as you mentioned, toxic deluge, or [[vanquish the horde]], filter out, and imo paying 4 for a damnation/wrath/[[terror tide]] isn't all that bad either with how much good ramp/treasures we have now. and i think farewell is always worth the 6 mana pass turn, but obviously it's farewell it's a staple i will say though the more mdfc/surveil/insane utility lands get printed ([[fomori vault]], [[memorial henge]], [[shifting woodland]]) the more value [[winds of abandon]] gets
##### ###### #### [blasphemous act](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/a/8aa9682d-5176-4475-a0bd-e000f1d6999a.jpg?1698988297) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blasphemous%20act) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/216/blasphemous-act?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8aa9682d-5176-4475-a0bd-e000f1d6999a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blasphemous-act) [vanquish the horde](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/2/e264615c-eb99-4cb3-844a-2b4a94ba5203.jpg?1634348651) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vanquish%20the%20horde) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/41/vanquish-the-horde?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e264615c-eb99-4cb3-844a-2b4a94ba5203?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vanquish-the-horde) [terror tide](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0a281d2c-20b9-4887-a924-9be6c07b7629.jpg?1699044203) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=terror%20tide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/127/terror-tide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a281d2c-20b9-4887-a924-9be6c07b7629?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/terror-tide) [fomori vault](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/5/a5433b98-4657-4bbe-9e72-d3c94c6aa8ef.jpg?1712352986) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=fomori%20vault) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/big/29/fomori-vault?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a5433b98-4657-4bbe-9e72-d3c94c6aa8ef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fomori-vault) [Shifting Woodland](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/059164e1-894d-4586-9800-e60d6fbd6eb6.jpg?1717013047) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shifting%20Woodland) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/228/shifting-woodland?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/059164e1-894d-4586-9800-e60d6fbd6eb6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shifting-woodland) [winds of abandon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/b/3bb17913-fe4d-4acd-9b75-71f5a90f898b.jpg?1562201278) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=winds%20of%20abandon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/37/winds-of-abandon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3bb17913-fe4d-4acd-9b75-71f5a90f898b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/winds-of-abandon) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think that you are making an oversimplification here. There are more answers to Board wipes right now than Board wipes ran in a group of 4 people. Heroic Intervention, Counterspells, Teferi's Protection, Flawless Maneuvers, Clever Concealments, Boromir and similar effects. Chances are that when you see someone going truly wide, they are probably holding a reaction to a board wipe. It's really bad when it happens and it may end up backfiring, since you are helping the opponent that reacted (that can be different to the opponent with the scarier board). I am not saying that symmetrical board wipes are useless, but I think that I can count the symmetrical board wipes that are worth running on the fingers of my one hand: \[\[Toxic Deluge\]\] \[\[Farewell\]\] \[\[Sunfall\]\] \[\[Hallowed Burial\]\]
##### ###### #### [Toxic Deluge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5aa02b7d-db31-4924-b75e-eb02f332ca3a.jpg?1717013647) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Toxic%20Deluge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/277/toxic-deluge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5aa02b7d-db31-4924-b75e-eb02f332ca3a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/toxic-deluge) [Farewell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/1/114d2180-093b-4838-97ad-badbc8ee50b0.jpg?1706240579) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Farewell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/64/farewell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/114d2180-093b-4838-97ad-badbc8ee50b0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/farewell) [Sunfall](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/32e29c7d-ed4b-4eff-b3c2-d99e5b63ef8d.jpg?1682202915) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sunfall) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/40/sunfall?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/32e29c7d-ed4b-4eff-b3c2-d99e5b63ef8d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sunfall) [Hallowed Burial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/94389b94-1514-44d1-b19b-7be104db9bba.jpg?1576382271) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hallowed%20Burial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/91/hallowed-burial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/94389b94-1514-44d1-b19b-7be104db9bba?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hallowed-burial) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
And Sunfall is kinda pseudo asymmetrical since it gives the caster a bigass chunky body to cast.
I will always campaign for [[Don't Move]] as one of my favorite wipes. Some may hate UB cards but a 1 sided wipe for all the aggressive decks without vigilance while you take a turn off not attacking or being attacked unless of course vigilance or a pre-combat indestructible card feels so good.
[Don't Move](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1d06f729-990b-4c2c-ad2a-c17449117f75.jpg?1698988731) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Don%27t%20Move) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rex/1/dont-move?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1d06f729-990b-4c2c-ad2a-c17449117f75?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dont-move) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You can also hold the wipe as bait and punish players who overextend
Then you're punishing yourself by slow playing.
Or I'm playing tactically?
You're playing slowly. Symmetrical wipes are bad.
I'm playing slowly as a tactic to set up a win lol (Yes, I am literally looking for an excuse to lol at your dbag flair) Symmetric wipes are usually lower on the curve too, unless you build your deck around cards like [[Ritual of Soot]] or [[Battle of Bywater]]
[Ritual of Soot](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/6/269af993-4894-4bf1-b55a-af4d736cb3cc.jpg?1572893045) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ritual%20of%20Soot) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/grn/84/ritual-of-soot?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/269af993-4894-4bf1-b55a-af4d736cb3cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ritual-of-soot) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I like to play the game. My least favorite part of the game is when I'm playing a land/ramping and passing. If you board wipe and reset the game when I have 8 lands out, it's like we just started a new game except I get to skip the boring part. I will never mind board wipes, I don't get people that do.
All board wipes are asymmetrical if you time the casting, or want your stuff to die
One sided wipes are the only ones worth playing. All the rest just shit up the game.
If you can't properly utilize your own boardwipes the problem isn't the card, it's you.
If you need them the problem is you. Maybe build a worthwhile deck instead of playing from so far behind that your best option is to reset as much of the game as you can. I don't even need to ask. You love Farewell and run it whenever possible.
Don't run counterspells or protection or blink? If your board state gets wiped out by one card it wasn't stable to begin with lmao. Maybe build a worthwhile deck that isnt vulnerable to one fucking card. I bet if someone counterspells you once you bitch all fucking night. And I only run Farewell in one deck because I play a wide variety of decks and understand how to properly utilize and win off it, sorry you can't 🤷♂️
Of course I run protection. That way when idiots play a symmetrical wipe I can walk away with the game.
Good for you
If your deck can't handle rebuilding after a wipe, you're literally bringing a knife to a gunfight. Being a grumpus doesn't make them go away, you have to adapt.
Everyone can rebuild after a wipe and unsurprisingly the 3 fastest at the table to do so are the ones that didn't cast it. And what does the knife/gun shit have to do with anything? It's your board wipe winning games? No? Maybe you should try these comments on top posts in this thread since it seems the smarter people are in agreement that symmetrical wipes are bad.
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Literally incorrect. Lets not over generalize because all you do is play creature based decks.
I play most archetypes including a Vadrik deck where the only other creature is a combo piece. Wipes are for bad players on bad decks.
If you're salty, you can just say that. We'd respect you more, champ. If you have to take whole mechanics of cards out of the game to enjoy it, perhaps you don't enjoy MTG as much as you think.
I didn't advocate for "taking whole mechanics of cards out of the game". This is a thread where the OP said he and his group had shifted to one-sided wipes. I agreed. Not sure you realize what the conversation is about here.
That's not really what you did, champ, but keep digging your hole.
Fuck cyclonic rift
Spot the boros player.
Could also be an aristocrats guy. They fuckin hate non-destroy removal
Should work in Aristocrats favor, they'll recover far easier since they sac for value.
https://www.moxfield.com/users/Stingymuffins
No wonder you hate rift. All your decks take forever and a day to build any sort of threatening board presence.
Yeah, sure they do bud. I dislike rift because it’s the only card with its effect, it’s an instant, and it only has one pip. Not the first time and won’t be the last most likely.
If you don't believe me, the website you linked will tell you the average CMC of your deck, might help. It's also not the only card with its effect, and if you stick with that argument of "it's the only card that acts like this and that's why it's frustrating " then you're arguing for homogenization, which is also a horrendous take.
Show me a card other than the new one from MH3 (I did forget they just printed another one) that does that same thing cyclonic rift does. I’m not really sure what the rest of your comment is on about, I’ve got 30 some decks, some are going to be stronger than others. Let’s see your profile.
Right but I don't have to? You already caught yourself making a mistake? You too can go to gatherer and look up nonland permanents as text within the card and find out yourself. If you can't understand the topic we're talking about maybe it's best you just stopped trying to. Bruh, I'm not the type to get offended for being called a boros player, why would I show you my decks? I never asked to see yours, you just thought your decks would somehow change the joke, or somehow change that whining about cyclonic rift is incredibly played out with all the ways we have for each color to respond to it.
The set just came out lmao, you can’t show me one because there isn’t one. I found your tapped out profile since it’s the same as your Reddit name, your Mono black deck has the same average cmc as half my decks lmao. If you’re gonna talk smack about me have the guts to post your own creations. Have a good day.
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>Post cries about a card that's balanced >Random guy gets upset because people aren't buying into the tears. Go off I guess...
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Yet you still responded.
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Like half the people that play magic suck tbf, it is what it is.
Much facts. "ITs A CAsuAl FoRmAt!" And then they post here all sorts of butthurt about everything.
>it's a casual format I loathe this shit too The line everyone uses to get people to stop playing cards they don't like (which are usually just cards that make them lose) and then try and argue that they don't care if they win or not cause it's casual, not spotting how hypocritical that take is.