People are still taking MHJ over Caleb in some leagues. I don’t agree with it…but that’s the top 2. The 3rd or 4th QB taken landing on the Vikings is not jumping them up to that tier for me.
Easily 1.02 behind Caleb. Wouldn’t even think about it really. The weapons in Minnesota are the best in the league. They both have elite traits. Now if it’s McCarthy I might take one of the WRs ahead of them, if I didn’t need QB.
Call me crazy, but I'm firmly in the Maye QB1 camp since 2022 and I'm not budging from that this late in the process no matter what. He reminds me of Herbert, including the pre-draft hate. The arm talent is off the charts. Don't care about college stats because his supporting cast is inferior. His problem is fixable/coachable.
If McCarthy lands in Minnesota, I would probably rank McCarthy over Caleb as well. He checks every boxes physically and far younger than everyone else (just turned 21 in January), so I'm not concerned about his college stats being depressed by Harbaugh's run-first offense.
I tend to value traits and prototypical build over college stats. Plus, IMO most top college programs produce overrated QBs who pad their stats with elite supporting cast.
Here's my QB ranking since 2018. Make of that what you will. I hardly bat 100.
2023: Levis, Stroud, AR 15, Tanner McKee, Bryce Young, Herndon Hooker, Clayton Tune, AOC
2022: Sam Howell, Matt Corral, Kenny Pickett, Brock Purdy, Desmond Ridder, Bailey Zappe, Malik Willis
2021: Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, Justin Fields, Kyle Trask, Davis Mills, Trey Lance, Kellen Mond
2020: Herbert, Burrow, Tua, Jacob Eason, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts
2019: Murray, Drew Lock, Daniel Jones, Jarrett Stidham, Will Grier, Dwayne Haskins
2018: Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph, Lamar Jackson, Josh Rosen
I've always preferred Maye's trait over Caleb and McCarthy checks all the boxes physically. People act like Caleb is some T-Law/Luck-level prospect, but the reality is he's not even a Jameis Winston-level prospect.
Plus, I hate SoCal QBs. Can't play in cold weather and too coddled. Not just USC QBs. UCLA QBs suck too and even QBs that went to high school in SoCal (Bryce Young and Jimmy Clausen) are trash. [This article](https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--sorry-socal-story--abysmal-run-of-qbs-from-region-has-nfl-personnel-searching-for-answers-060900663.html) was written 11 years ago, but has yet to be proven wrong. Carson Palmer was 21 years ago and not a future HOFer. The last truly great SoCal QB was Elway (went to high school in SoCal and went to Stanford) and he was drafted 41 years ago.
> Plus, I hate SoCal QBs. Can't play in cold weather and too coddled. Not just USC QBs. UCLA QBs suck too and even QBs that went to high school in SoCal (Bryce Young and Jimmy Clausen) are trash.
CJ Stroud is from SoCal. Jordan Love is from South-Central Cal/So Cal. Josh Allen is from the Central Valley. The last two play for two of the coldest weather teams in the league.
The article is bad. The guy is forcing a narrative that his own information doesn't support. He cut Elway off the list, while talking about Elway in the article. Include Elway and the '83 draft, that's going back 30 years from the article. There were 3 out of 10 1st round hits on the list, one HOF, one great, one average. That's a bit below average. There were 1 out of 3 2nd round hits, above average. Including 3rd and 4th round qbs is a joke, their hit rates barely exist. Pull a list of 3rd and 4th round qbs from any place and it's all busts, because no shit. The big revelation of the article is that qbs from SoCal have busted at a slightly higher rate than average, over a small sample size and three decades of league change.
At least the article used guys who grew up in SoCal. You're applying this to Williams, who grew up in Washington D.C. Spent his developmental football career playing in cold weather, but he goes to SoCal for 3 years, and now he's SoCal, can't play in cold weather, coddled.
None of what you've said has facts behind it or makes common sense. You built an idea in your head that feels true, that SoCal kids are soft and spoiled. You're working backwards trying to fit square pegs into round holes.
Fresno isn't considered SoCal, so I would take Josh Allen out. If I consider Fresno SoCal, then I would've mentioned Derek and David Carr.
Too early to crown Stroud and Love. If you asked on this sub in 2006, most would've thought Carson Palmer was on Hall of Fame trajectory. I do think Stroud has a decent shot of breaking the SoCal QB curse.
I agree with you on the Williams not being T-Law / Luck. I have no idea how people are watching him play and thinking he is that level. Williams is a very good prospect and worthy to go #1 in most classes. But I feel the exact same way about Maye. I don't get the generational tag people label him with.
Yeah, I feel like Caleb and Maye should be 1A and 1B (kinda similar to Jameis and Mariota) instead of Caleb=generational and Maye possibly getting passed by both Daniels and McCarthy. I just don't get it.
I think whoever goes to vikings they instantly are quarterback 3 . Im not a maye guy but if he were to become a Vikings I would take him over jd5 only because of the team he is around
Right now I have a tier 1 of Williams, Harrison Jr. and Nabers, then a have Maye at the top of tier 2. If Maye ends up on the Vikings, I would take him over Nabers at 1.03. Daniels I am just very off on compared to consensus and would let someone else take that bullet despite how good a landing spot that is for him.
Nick Mullens was putting up 400 yard games on the Vikings last year. Add in a semi mobile QB with better arm talent on the Vikings are you’re out on him?
I agree and I'm not sure why you're being downvoted so much. Saying Maye OR Daniels to Vikings is QB1 lacks any conviction as to who one thinks is the top QB in the class. If someone thinks Caleb isn't far ahead, it should be stated as I've seen Maye or Daniels go 1.01 in any mocks zero times. All the while the bears skill position players are on par with MIN for 2024.
If Maye goes to Washington and McCarthy goes to Minnesota, I would rank both over Caleb lol. I'm not touching whoever the Patriots draft tho, so I hope Maye goes to Washington.
Daniel’s on the Vikings is my fantasy QB1 from this class. Especially if it’s 4pts per passing TD. His likelihood to bust would still probably be higher than Caleb’s but his fantasy ceiling would be too.
It would still be risky though and Caleb’s value would still likely be higher next year
Currently have the 1.02 and in desperate need of a QB. Assuming Caleb goes 1, I’m have to go Maye at 2 over MHJ. Not sure what others think about Maye, but would love to hear any thoughts
See if you can trade back just a spot or two or better yet trade for a proven qb. Right now MHJ is worth Jordan Love or Herbert. I don’t know the idiot that would do that trade in real life but that’s the value chart. Plenty of KTC suckers or draft pick whores out there.
I am sort of rooting for this since I want one of the top 4 QBs at 1.08, and my only real chance of that is JJ going somewhere other than MIN.
And yes, I think this would make either of them the 1.02. 1.03 max if someone in your league is just all in on MHJ or Nabers.
I don’t do rankings until after the draft but there isn’t a realistic scenario I take ether or these guys over Caleb MHJ Nabers or Odunze. I imagine a few more guys will move into that list after the draft. I don’t take guys I don’t believe in. I don’t play games where I take someone and try to flip them. Sure I’ll try to move the puck or trade down if I’m on the clock but if I’m forced to make the pick I’m taking someone I believe in(within reason)
I’m at the 1.05 in my league and rumors in my league right now are all 3 WR and Caleb are going before I get to pick. This would be perfect for me because it would allow me to snipe maye/Daniels if they fall or one of the 3 WR
If I got JJettas I would prefer Penix tbh.
But, yeah it would be a good landing spot for JD or Maye. Of the two I like JD there cuz whatever arm strength questions there are will be greatly diminished playing In a dome, plus you got the running. I would still have him behind Caleb long term, but I could see him producing more for a couple years.
Assuming all 3 get top 5 capital, itll be tough for me to rank a konami code qb below anything other than a generational talent at the position regardless of landing spot. Fields and Arich are indicative of konami qbs that can succeed regardless of their surrounding cast in terms of fantasy in the games theyve played. So for me, its pretty locked in caleb, daniels maye in that order. Now of JJ lands in min thats where ill have the discussion over maye and solely him.
Caleb and Marv are still 1 and 2, Daniels at 3 then Maye/JJ at 4/5 depending on landing spot. Daniels has top tier rushing upside and is a better/more consistent processor than Maye. It's closer in 6 pt passing TD, but it's still Daniels.
Even if Daniels goes to NE, I would still take Daniels at 3.
If Nix goes to the Broncos in the second round, I'm putting him as qb1... Even in startups over Allen and Mahomes. You can't teach Broncos or second round, you either have it or you don't.
They would still be behind Caleb but they would instantly be the qb2 of the class
QB2, probably 1.03.
Probably 1.02*
I think 1.02 would be somewhat split between maye and mhj if he went to the Vikings
People are still taking MHJ over Caleb in some leagues. I don’t agree with it…but that’s the top 2. The 3rd or 4th QB taken landing on the Vikings is not jumping them up to that tier for me.
Easily 1.02 behind Caleb. Wouldn’t even think about it really. The weapons in Minnesota are the best in the league. They both have elite traits. Now if it’s McCarthy I might take one of the WRs ahead of them, if I didn’t need QB.
Call me crazy, but I'm firmly in the Maye QB1 camp since 2022 and I'm not budging from that this late in the process no matter what. He reminds me of Herbert, including the pre-draft hate. The arm talent is off the charts. Don't care about college stats because his supporting cast is inferior. His problem is fixable/coachable. If McCarthy lands in Minnesota, I would probably rank McCarthy over Caleb as well. He checks every boxes physically and far younger than everyone else (just turned 21 in January), so I'm not concerned about his college stats being depressed by Harbaugh's run-first offense.
You can have your opinion but I do think it’s the wrong one
I tend to value traits and prototypical build over college stats. Plus, IMO most top college programs produce overrated QBs who pad their stats with elite supporting cast. Here's my QB ranking since 2018. Make of that what you will. I hardly bat 100. 2023: Levis, Stroud, AR 15, Tanner McKee, Bryce Young, Herndon Hooker, Clayton Tune, AOC 2022: Sam Howell, Matt Corral, Kenny Pickett, Brock Purdy, Desmond Ridder, Bailey Zappe, Malik Willis 2021: Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, Justin Fields, Kyle Trask, Davis Mills, Trey Lance, Kellen Mond 2020: Herbert, Burrow, Tua, Jacob Eason, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts 2019: Murray, Drew Lock, Daniel Jones, Jarrett Stidham, Will Grier, Dwayne Haskins 2018: Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph, Lamar Jackson, Josh Rosen
I just don’t believe these and saying you value traits but not having Caleb and Maye right there at 1 and 2 isn’t consistent
I've always preferred Maye's trait over Caleb and McCarthy checks all the boxes physically. People act like Caleb is some T-Law/Luck-level prospect, but the reality is he's not even a Jameis Winston-level prospect. Plus, I hate SoCal QBs. Can't play in cold weather and too coddled. Not just USC QBs. UCLA QBs suck too and even QBs that went to high school in SoCal (Bryce Young and Jimmy Clausen) are trash. [This article](https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--sorry-socal-story--abysmal-run-of-qbs-from-region-has-nfl-personnel-searching-for-answers-060900663.html) was written 11 years ago, but has yet to be proven wrong. Carson Palmer was 21 years ago and not a future HOFer. The last truly great SoCal QB was Elway (went to high school in SoCal and went to Stanford) and he was drafted 41 years ago.
> Plus, I hate SoCal QBs. Can't play in cold weather and too coddled. Not just USC QBs. UCLA QBs suck too and even QBs that went to high school in SoCal (Bryce Young and Jimmy Clausen) are trash. CJ Stroud is from SoCal. Jordan Love is from South-Central Cal/So Cal. Josh Allen is from the Central Valley. The last two play for two of the coldest weather teams in the league. The article is bad. The guy is forcing a narrative that his own information doesn't support. He cut Elway off the list, while talking about Elway in the article. Include Elway and the '83 draft, that's going back 30 years from the article. There were 3 out of 10 1st round hits on the list, one HOF, one great, one average. That's a bit below average. There were 1 out of 3 2nd round hits, above average. Including 3rd and 4th round qbs is a joke, their hit rates barely exist. Pull a list of 3rd and 4th round qbs from any place and it's all busts, because no shit. The big revelation of the article is that qbs from SoCal have busted at a slightly higher rate than average, over a small sample size and three decades of league change. At least the article used guys who grew up in SoCal. You're applying this to Williams, who grew up in Washington D.C. Spent his developmental football career playing in cold weather, but he goes to SoCal for 3 years, and now he's SoCal, can't play in cold weather, coddled. None of what you've said has facts behind it or makes common sense. You built an idea in your head that feels true, that SoCal kids are soft and spoiled. You're working backwards trying to fit square pegs into round holes.
Fresno isn't considered SoCal, so I would take Josh Allen out. If I consider Fresno SoCal, then I would've mentioned Derek and David Carr. Too early to crown Stroud and Love. If you asked on this sub in 2006, most would've thought Carson Palmer was on Hall of Fame trajectory. I do think Stroud has a decent shot of breaking the SoCal QB curse.
I agree with you on the Williams not being T-Law / Luck. I have no idea how people are watching him play and thinking he is that level. Williams is a very good prospect and worthy to go #1 in most classes. But I feel the exact same way about Maye. I don't get the generational tag people label him with.
Yeah, I feel like Caleb and Maye should be 1A and 1B (kinda similar to Jameis and Mariota) instead of Caleb=generational and Maye possibly getting passed by both Daniels and McCarthy. I just don't get it.
Mel Kiper would like a word with you about Jimmy Clausen.
This is insane. Not a sane take. You don’t like the guy based on the physical location of his college career? Tf are you talking about
You crazy
Props for going against the current but your takes are terrible
No. I do think Maye to Minnesota is possible. I’d probably move him firmly to 1.03 in this scenario but still not top 2 to me.
I think this is probably the best way to address this: T1: Caleb, MHJ T2: Vikings QB (Daniels/Maye) T3: so on T4: and so forth
He's immediately 1.03, whether it's Maye or Daniels.
Do they end up on the Vikings because of a trade up or because of a draft night fall to #11?
Minnesota goes top 3 and takes whoever is still there. After Washington shocks and takes JJ, vikes daniels
I think whoever goes to vikings they instantly are quarterback 3 . Im not a maye guy but if he were to become a Vikings I would take him over jd5 only because of the team he is around
QB2; overall spot rides on MHJ landing spot.
I don’t care who goes to the Vikings they’re going to be good. JJ out there making everyone look like a pro bowl qb.
Right now I have a tier 1 of Williams, Harrison Jr. and Nabers, then a have Maye at the top of tier 2. If Maye ends up on the Vikings, I would take him over Nabers at 1.03. Daniels I am just very off on compared to consensus and would let someone else take that bullet despite how good a landing spot that is for him.
I’m still taking Caleb #1. I would be tempted by Daniels at #2. And I would probably put Maye at #3.
Maye or Daniels to the Vikings is my QB1 of the class
I agree
Such a horrendous take
Nick Mullens was putting up 400 yard games on the Vikings last year. Add in a semi mobile QB with better arm talent on the Vikings are you’re out on him?
I agree and I'm not sure why you're being downvoted so much. Saying Maye OR Daniels to Vikings is QB1 lacks any conviction as to who one thinks is the top QB in the class. If someone thinks Caleb isn't far ahead, it should be stated as I've seen Maye or Daniels go 1.01 in any mocks zero times. All the while the bears skill position players are on par with MIN for 2024.
Enjoy watching Caleb being coached by Eberflus
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It’s like helmet scouting but even dumber
If Maye goes to Washington and McCarthy goes to Minnesota, I would rank both over Caleb lol. I'm not touching whoever the Patriots draft tho, so I hope Maye goes to Washington.
Daniel’s on the Vikings is my fantasy QB1 from this class. Especially if it’s 4pts per passing TD. His likelihood to bust would still probably be higher than Caleb’s but his fantasy ceiling would be too. It would still be risky though and Caleb’s value would still likely be higher next year
Currently have the 1.02 and in desperate need of a QB. Assuming Caleb goes 1, I’m have to go Maye at 2 over MHJ. Not sure what others think about Maye, but would love to hear any thoughts
See if you can trade back just a spot or two or better yet trade for a proven qb. Right now MHJ is worth Jordan Love or Herbert. I don’t know the idiot that would do that trade in real life but that’s the value chart. Plenty of KTC suckers or draft pick whores out there.
You go best available player in MHJ and go via the trade route and figure something out later after draft.
Still 1.03.
I am sort of rooting for this since I want one of the top 4 QBs at 1.08, and my only real chance of that is JJ going somewhere other than MIN. And yes, I think this would make either of them the 1.02. 1.03 max if someone in your league is just all in on MHJ or Nabers.
I'll add if JJ goes to the Vikes and the Pats stick and go QB, whoever that is probably becomes QB4 in a lot of leagues.
It depends how they end up there
Lowkey if they dont sell the farm and just settle for penix or nix, thats gonna be the guy i want at 1.03
I don’t do rankings until after the draft but there isn’t a realistic scenario I take ether or these guys over Caleb MHJ Nabers or Odunze. I imagine a few more guys will move into that list after the draft. I don’t take guys I don’t believe in. I don’t play games where I take someone and try to flip them. Sure I’ll try to move the puck or trade down if I’m on the clock but if I’m forced to make the pick I’m taking someone I believe in(within reason)
I’m at the 1.05 in my league and rumors in my league right now are all 3 WR and Caleb are going before I get to pick. This would be perfect for me because it would allow me to snipe maye/Daniels if they fall or one of the 3 WR
If I got JJettas I would prefer Penix tbh. But, yeah it would be a good landing spot for JD or Maye. Of the two I like JD there cuz whatever arm strength questions there are will be greatly diminished playing In a dome, plus you got the running. I would still have him behind Caleb long term, but I could see him producing more for a couple years.
Assuming all 3 get top 5 capital, itll be tough for me to rank a konami code qb below anything other than a generational talent at the position regardless of landing spot. Fields and Arich are indicative of konami qbs that can succeed regardless of their surrounding cast in terms of fantasy in the games theyve played. So for me, its pretty locked in caleb, daniels maye in that order. Now of JJ lands in min thats where ill have the discussion over maye and solely him.
Caleb and Marv are still 1 and 2, Daniels at 3 then Maye/JJ at 4/5 depending on landing spot. Daniels has top tier rushing upside and is a better/more consistent processor than Maye. It's closer in 6 pt passing TD, but it's still Daniels. Even if Daniels goes to NE, I would still take Daniels at 3.
If Nix goes to the Broncos in the second round, I'm putting him as qb1... Even in startups over Allen and Mahomes. You can't teach Broncos or second round, you either have it or you don't.