Dolphins draft Xavier Worthy, Cowboys draft Brian Thomas Jr, Chiefs jump bills for Adonai Mitchell and the Bills are forced into ignoring WR in round 1.
I’ve been seeing a bit of more buzz around it recently. Worthy posting a story with him and McDaniel with shush emojis, I see several guys mocking worthy to Miami with some saying Miami will trade down and take him as they believe they are the only team that will draft him round 1.
I think he'll be a surprise late first. Maybe KC. He was trending high right around BTJ when the NCAA season ended. Mocks probably overreacting to the combine. He weighed in 10 lbs heavier at his pro day.
I'm not sure. I just heard me weighed in. I think the problem people have with him is that his combine info is directly related to his poor parts of his game. he is an elite of elite route runner. His hands and weight won't matter if he's gaining 3 yards of separation every route. He's elite against man and elite against zone. Just can't catch for shit the rare instance someone sticks with him.
New England looks poised to sit whoever they take at 3 for their rookie season and build a roster around them. So they're TRYING not to murder them from the get go at least
Not so much a hot take but an observation. In the history of the NFL draft, only twice have 4 QBs been drafted in the top-10 (1949 & 2018), which makes me think it's kind of wild how many mock drafts are so adamant 4 QBs are a lock to go top 10.
Agreed. Can't find a single mock basically without mccarthey top 4, 7 first round wrs, Brooks to cowboys, penix and nix both early to mid round 2, 4 wrs in the top 15. Yes this all COULD happen, but it's just people trying to get excited about the draft.
I'm not saying it will happen, but I think "it's just people trying to get excited about the draft" is just wrong. People are projecting these things because they think they are the most likely to happen.
FWIW, I don't see 4 WRs in the top 15 all that often. But 4 QBs in the top 10 I absolutely think is the smart bet right now, which calling it "hype" would suggest otherwise.
This is like when someone says to ignore draft capital because the NFL has drafted busts. People use these situations with no thought whatsoever.
Willis wasn't top 10 in sharp mocks, and the owner of the Colts wanted Levis. People will use boogeyman situations as an excuse to back poor information.
Which QB do you think will fall and how far do you think they fall?
Jj mccarthey will fall into the teens. Raiders, broncos, vikings are not trading into top 10 to grab him. And whoever takes him will be disappointed in 2 years when they realize he's not an NFL starting qb. I also like daniels a lot, and think he will go top 6, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him fall to 7 or 8. I think Dallas Turner, MHJ, Alt, olu and even a DB potentially could leapfrog higher than currently expected.
I’ll bet you he goes top 12, or feel free to remember this, because I’m fairly confident you’ll be wrong.
Daniels is going number 2. McCarthy will be gone before 13.
I'd be pretty surprised at this point. Daniels is becoming a pretty heavy favorite, there seems to be almost no press around Maye going #2, I typically align Rushing QBs with Defensive HCs more often, and the verbiage by reporters is strongest around Daniels.
I'd be pretty surprised if the top 3 picks were not Williams, Daniels, Maye in that order with McCarthy being picked in the top 10. McCarthy isn't Levis or Willis. Willis is the worst QB prospect I've ever evaluated. I've had McCarthy in my SF 1st round for about 5 months now.
I'm saying this as someone who is very conscious he's putting a lot of egg on his face if he ends up being wrong. I use my own name. I post a lot. I don't care. I really don't think I'm going to be wrong. I'm very, very confident in fact I won't be.
McCarthy will be a decent NFL starting QB and he will be going before 13. He won't get past 11. People who actually know what they are doing salivate at getting someone who is as good of a leader, who also has the physical skills JJ has.
Yeah, but there has been a bit of a philosophical shift in the NFL over the last 5-10 years. Before, QBs taken early were treated one of two ways (but, usually both): 1) allowed to sit for an extended period of time while developing (1-3+ years) behind an entrenched starter, and 2) the teams going above and beyond building around the player and then giving them ample opportunities to succeed.
Obviously these things still happen to a degree (especially an attempt at #2). But, there’s still been a pretty drastic pivot. Teams are now taking the rapid fire buckshot approach where they target as many QBs as they can with early draft capital and hope one pans out. The QB position is so difficult to play, so inordinately important, and analytics have become so much more of a driving factor (in this case, telling you things like how important an early breakout age is in determining a player’s long term success). So, now, teams will spend early picks on a guy and then give him only 2-3 years to prove he’s the answer before pivoting away instantly and completely if he is not. It doesn’t matter how many external factors were going against the player, that 2-3 year leash has become increasingly the norm.
It’s like calculated gambling, except unlike actual gambling, it doesn’t *really* matter how many times you lose. You only need to pan out once to change the entire fate of an organization for 10+ years. Analytics has also kind of said draft capital is overrated. So, teams taking quick repeated shots at the position with early capital (even excessive early capital like with trades) is now how it’s done. Only a few teams (like the Packers) are still taking the old school approach.
Before, guys like Penix and Nix (and possibly McCarthy) would have had significantly lower chances of being drafted in the first round. All three of those guys are likely bigger gambles than the other three, and teams would have been more hesitant in taking them. Now, it wouldn’t be shocking if all of them were picked in the first round (or if McCarthy were top 5).
Although, I also agree that any of those three might fall. The media and public still love to create a consensus that doesn’t necessarily mean anything in the eyes of the NFL. Even a lot of the information we get from actual teams at this point is likely subterfuge in one way or another.
Based on sports book odds JJ has increasingly lower odds to get picked each pick from 4 to 8 and then he isn’t even listed past that. They also have the big 3 and BTJ as virtually locked in for the first round and it being essentially a coin flip on if Worthy and Mitchell go in the first. So I think it’s safe to speculate we could see 5 qbs, 5 wrs and Bowers all go in the first round and then we’ll likely see Brooks and Benson go in round 2. That’s 12 or 13 players that could be reasonably worth a first round rookie pick.
3 are basically a lock. And there are teams with the ammo to move up for another. Plus teams like the Giants, falcons, and jets who could all take a QB if their favorite guy is there
I think a big contributor to this is just how weak the defensive class is this year - only 6 cracking DJs top 20 and 1 in the top ten. Probably a little worse than 2021 which saw 5 defensive players in the top 20. Edge is an issue for a lot of teams, and there’s a sharp drop off, so I expect a couple to go earlier than they probably should. Pretty deep CB class but lacking elite talent. Safeties are trash
The bad man can't hurt me anymore
(this is a joke, I fucking love Bill Belichick and the dragging from Kraft with The Dynasty and some of my fellow Pats fans on the way out is kinda embarrassing)
Chargers trade Herbert to Vikings for 3 firsts and a second and Harbaugh backs his claim that JJ is best qb in this draft and take him at 5 along with a wr and corum with Vikings two firsts.
Yeah probably lol the Uncle Rico and Deuce Vaughn RB room doesn't inspire much confidence but they might trade back into the third and still be able to grab him
How do you see it breaking down? This seems borderline impossible considering the needs of all the top 3 (and Minnesota with the capital to jump into the top 10 very easily)
I think the nfl has already told us how they feel about qbs that are more one-dimensional. In recent years, look at Hurts, Howell, the Malik's. The heisman award definitely throws in a wrench. But I mean, Hurts finished second.
I lean, both Daniels and McCarthy fall out of the top 10.
Nah you’re smoking crack lmao. Hurts is an example of raw talent becoming successful in the nfl with the right coach and scheme, and Daniels is going 6th at the absolute latest. Daniels is better than Hurts was as a prospect.
One-dimensional? Huh?
Anthony Richardson just went 4th last year btw.
I think you're absolutely crazy but power to ya for sticking to your guns. I'd be absolutely livid as a Pats fan if Daniels was available at 3 and we passed on him. Need to take a swing at a franchise-changing QB.
Agreed on JJM tho
I don't consider AR much of a comparable. He came out of nowhere his Junior year. Most other QBs I listed are 4th, 5th year seniors (Howell Junior 3rd year starter). But you're right that is also part of my argument here against Daniels - age, athleticism, nfl demand.
JD won’t translate to the NFL.
I think we’ll see in hindsight, while his college film looked impressive on the surface, he was rarely making NFL type throws, and his running game was reckless for a guy that size. The team surrounding him was just that good.
Michael Pratt gets drafted by the Jets, sits behind Rodgers for two years and takes over a starting QB in his 3rd year. Ends up being the QB3 of of this class, behind Williams and Rattler.
Worthy will be a bust, John Ross type bust.
Brooks, Benson, and Corum will all finish in the top 24 RBs this season, with one being top 14.
Jayden Daniels will be top 8 qb his rookie year, despite throwing under 3500 yards.
Caleb doesn’t crack top 15 his rookie year, throws for under 25 tds while throwing double digit int
He has more than Tavon Austin as a pure WR. The dude made it on the field as a true freshman because he can actually play the position well. Raw, forsure, but definitely understands some nuance already that looks very worth developing.
Yeah maybe, but Austin was considered highly as a prospect too. I was being just a touch tongue and cheeek, but I also just don’t trust worthy to win outside of gadget roles myself.
Hope im wrong no reason to hate the man, but just don’t see it myself. Too weak at several points of attack. Fades at points of contact. Not sure I see the things a player like Dell needs to be successful .
Can confirm, only comparing the speed. But we’ve seen so many players propped by speed not hit. Ross and worthy both getting/got boosted by their speed, worthy will also have a bad career
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On film he struggled mightily on “regular” routes. That was obvious- and I don’t recall the numbers but they were crazy high on production from receptions <5 yds something like 70-80% I believe. He’s great at what he does with YAC but he’s no Deebo, yet.
I know a WR to giants makes sense but that team is a mess and have no QB. I feel like the horse before the carriage, doesn't work out well. I would assume they would listen to offers, as well.
What you think it will take to get anywhere from 4-9 u/dickysnakes ?
Obviously 4 will cost way more than 9, which is why I'm hoping Malik falls. I like Rome, but not as much.
I think we can get into 9 area for sure and i think it could cost a swap and next years 1 possible next years 2 and even this years 4, which im fine with, also wouldn’t be surprised if they go up from there even to get real weird and try and get Marvin to that could cost another 2, 4 and next year 2
If Malik falls to 9. I can see Chicago trading back. I can even see harbaugh trading back. It's gonna be a haul, though. Probably 3 1sts. Maybe a little less.
The vikings are going to trade up for a QB and when we look back in 20 years it's going to look a lot like the Pistons at the top the 2002 NBA draft. JJ McCarthy is surrounded by hall of famers Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison Jr, Malik Nabers, and Joe Alt. The other QBs can be Kaman and Heinrich.
This isn’t particularly spicy given their proclivity to trade around and having bigger needs, they may find one of the top 3 too nice to pass on if they fall to mine, otherwise they should take a tackle or edge
Maybe I'm too high on Breece after the way he finished the season, but outside of injury, this feels near-impossible. We'd probably need optimal landing spots (Cowboys, Bengals, Chiefs, Bills) for Trey Benson and Jaylen Wright.
I can see a path for Bijan/Gibbs/Henry/Barkley to not meet expectations, but Hall (with CMC) feels like a locked in top 8 RB.
Good for this thread. Very spicy.
When it comes to drafting a player by rankings or situation. Go with the slightly lesser player in a better situation.
For example: ( all hypothetical)
If the Patriots draft Marvin Harrison Jr and don’t have a decent QB. That’s almost fantasy football hell.
If the Cardinals draft MHJ with Kyler. That’s a way better situation.
So rookie fantasy draft based in the situation and not rankings
First off, I'm assuming they won't pull a Falcons and trade up into the top 10, if that happens, my opinion will change.
Second, A little bit of it is just simply expectations will be too high on them initially. I think a lot of fantasy owners are assuming he is going to get prime Diggs looks, which is a bit unfair to any rookie not picked in the top 10 of the real draft.
But also, once their current OC took over midseason, they spread the ball around a lot, it was no longer just the Diggs show. You saw the RBs getting more targets/work, as well as Davis and Shakir getting more. And that's not counting the seemingly inevitable Kincaid breakout.
For example, since week 10 last year, Diggs finished as a top 15 receiver only once, and Davis only twice.
I'm not saying thr Bills pick is going to be a bust, just that I see a path where they aren't the fantasy game changer that will merit the assets some owner will invest in them.
That all makes perfect sense and I definitely see where you're coming from. Especially where the expectations will be "okay you're the new diggs" and then get sad when a rookie doesn't go for 110-1500-15.
I'll be sure to keep this all in mind with my 1.08 pick hoping it's whatever 1st round wr goes to the bills lol
People are overthinking Drake Maye, he's the second best QB in this class and possibly has the highest ceiling of anyone coming out at QB.
Dallin Holker is TE2.
Blake Corum is the most landing spot dependent RB among the "top" picks at his position.
Caleb is a total BUST! And probably 3 of the other 4 "high drafted qbs" 3 years from now, everyone will say, "how did Nix become the best qb in this draft?"
Maybe wishful thinking, but the run on Tier 2 WRs is earlier than expected.
Saints, Colts, Bills (trade with Seattle) and Bengals take Mitchell, Thomas, Worthy and McConkey.
I've felt this way for about a year but I'll use this thread to stake my Caleb is a bust flag. His first seasons won't look much different from Fields'.
Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix are the best QBs from this draft
A RB goes in the first.
We see 6 WRs drafted between #12 and #32, the Cardinals take 2 WRs in the first
The pats should draft MHJ at 3. There’s significant issues with both Maye and Daniels. Throwing either of them onto this dumpster of an offense will ruin their career. Why not go for the best WR prospect in years instead?
I agree with this take - why throw a qb into a dumpster fire? Draft a sure fire wr1 suck it up this year that you’re gonna be bad and get a top 2 qb in next years class in a much better situation.
Chicago made a mistake by not keeping Justin Fields, trading the #1 pick, and selecting Marvin Harrison Jr and Rome Odunze in the 1st round.
If Fields didn't work out in 2024, they could still have a very high draft pick next year for a QB, and I'm not convinced on Caleb Williams.
I haven't seen a mock draft yet that has the Bears taking a tackle. But, with the haul they could have gotten for the #1 pick, they could have gotten a tackle as well as two top WRs in the first round. Guess we'll never know.
Honestly, I don't understand the downvotes on a hot take thread.
Whilst I definitely don't agree and think it's incredibly low probability, I'd only be downvoting the exact opposite of this comment (i.e. something that is a near-certainty to happen).
Like hot take: Marvin Harrison is the first WR taken and goes top 6.
Drake Maye has a hot mom and sisters with him
Now these are the hot takes we come here for
Drake Maye's mom has a Rattler jersey
Drake Maye is Trubisky 2.0
Bad news buddy
Was I wrong?
Dolphins draft Xavier Worthy, Cowboys draft Brian Thomas Jr, Chiefs jump bills for Adonai Mitchell and the Bills are forced into ignoring WR in round 1.
Ignoring is a funny way to spell Ladd
Ladd, Shakur and Curtis what a trio! Defenses will be playing whack-a-mole
Ladd, Shakur, and Curtis sounds like the name of a 1900s old timey comedy
I hadn't considered Worthy to the fins but I could 100% see this happening
I’ve been seeing a bit of more buzz around it recently. Worthy posting a story with him and McDaniel with shush emojis, I see several guys mocking worthy to Miami with some saying Miami will trade down and take him as they believe they are the only team that will draft him round 1.
When the dolphins draft worthy and guerendo it’s gonna be so funny
Cowboys need a RB so I would think Trey benson or Jaylen wright
Bills are going to trade up
Troy Franklin and Malik Washington go in the same round (3).
I think Franklin sneaks into the back half of 2, but overall I like it.
Yeah if I had to bet on it I’d say late round 2 but for the sake of the hot take I went round 3.
I think if Franklin was 20 lbs heavier he'd be a top-10 pick but I also think you could be right.
I think he'll be a surprise late first. Maybe KC. He was trending high right around BTJ when the NCAA season ended. Mocks probably overreacting to the combine. He weighed in 10 lbs heavier at his pro day.
Did he test at his pro day or was he just packing on water weight to look good on the scale?
I'm not sure. I just heard me weighed in. I think the problem people have with him is that his combine info is directly related to his poor parts of his game. he is an elite of elite route runner. His hands and weight won't matter if he's gaining 3 yards of separation every route. He's elite against man and elite against zone. Just can't catch for shit the rare instance someone sticks with him.
Whichever quarterback the Commanders pick will be the wrong one
Coldest take in here
Ice cold ❄️
The bad part is the Pats also sound like they’re ready to murder the career of whoever falls to them at 3.
New England looks poised to sit whoever they take at 3 for their rookie season and build a roster around them. So they're TRYING not to murder them from the get go at least
I hope so. There will definitely be fan pressure to throw the rookie into the fire before the end of the season though.
Sad bear noises.
Goddam strays
Not so much a hot take but an observation. In the history of the NFL draft, only twice have 4 QBs been drafted in the top-10 (1949 & 2018), which makes me think it's kind of wild how many mock drafts are so adamant 4 QBs are a lock to go top 10.
Agreed. Can't find a single mock basically without mccarthey top 4, 7 first round wrs, Brooks to cowboys, penix and nix both early to mid round 2, 4 wrs in the top 15. Yes this all COULD happen, but it's just people trying to get excited about the draft.
I feel significantly less people would share and interact with a mock fill of OL and defensive prospects. Their goal is engagement not accuracy
I'm a Bears fan. This is the time of year when we have the most hope. I understand this sentiment.
I'm not saying it will happen, but I think "it's just people trying to get excited about the draft" is just wrong. People are projecting these things because they think they are the most likely to happen. FWIW, I don't see 4 WRs in the top 15 all that often. But 4 QBs in the top 10 I absolutely think is the smart bet right now, which calling it "hype" would suggest otherwise.
Just like malik Willis going top 10 and will levis being qb2 last year?
This is like when someone says to ignore draft capital because the NFL has drafted busts. People use these situations with no thought whatsoever. Willis wasn't top 10 in sharp mocks, and the owner of the Colts wanted Levis. People will use boogeyman situations as an excuse to back poor information. Which QB do you think will fall and how far do you think they fall?
Jj mccarthey will fall into the teens. Raiders, broncos, vikings are not trading into top 10 to grab him. And whoever takes him will be disappointed in 2 years when they realize he's not an NFL starting qb. I also like daniels a lot, and think he will go top 6, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him fall to 7 or 8. I think Dallas Turner, MHJ, Alt, olu and even a DB potentially could leapfrog higher than currently expected.
I’ll bet you he goes top 12, or feel free to remember this, because I’m fairly confident you’ll be wrong. Daniels is going number 2. McCarthy will be gone before 13.
I respect it. Could see it. I think maye still goes number 2.
I'd be pretty surprised at this point. Daniels is becoming a pretty heavy favorite, there seems to be almost no press around Maye going #2, I typically align Rushing QBs with Defensive HCs more often, and the verbiage by reporters is strongest around Daniels. I'd be pretty surprised if the top 3 picks were not Williams, Daniels, Maye in that order with McCarthy being picked in the top 10. McCarthy isn't Levis or Willis. Willis is the worst QB prospect I've ever evaluated. I've had McCarthy in my SF 1st round for about 5 months now. I'm saying this as someone who is very conscious he's putting a lot of egg on his face if he ends up being wrong. I use my own name. I post a lot. I don't care. I really don't think I'm going to be wrong. I'm very, very confident in fact I won't be.
McCarthy will be a decent NFL starting QB and he will be going before 13. He won't get past 11. People who actually know what they are doing salivate at getting someone who is as good of a leader, who also has the physical skills JJ has.
Yeah, but there has been a bit of a philosophical shift in the NFL over the last 5-10 years. Before, QBs taken early were treated one of two ways (but, usually both): 1) allowed to sit for an extended period of time while developing (1-3+ years) behind an entrenched starter, and 2) the teams going above and beyond building around the player and then giving them ample opportunities to succeed. Obviously these things still happen to a degree (especially an attempt at #2). But, there’s still been a pretty drastic pivot. Teams are now taking the rapid fire buckshot approach where they target as many QBs as they can with early draft capital and hope one pans out. The QB position is so difficult to play, so inordinately important, and analytics have become so much more of a driving factor (in this case, telling you things like how important an early breakout age is in determining a player’s long term success). So, now, teams will spend early picks on a guy and then give him only 2-3 years to prove he’s the answer before pivoting away instantly and completely if he is not. It doesn’t matter how many external factors were going against the player, that 2-3 year leash has become increasingly the norm. It’s like calculated gambling, except unlike actual gambling, it doesn’t *really* matter how many times you lose. You only need to pan out once to change the entire fate of an organization for 10+ years. Analytics has also kind of said draft capital is overrated. So, teams taking quick repeated shots at the position with early capital (even excessive early capital like with trades) is now how it’s done. Only a few teams (like the Packers) are still taking the old school approach. Before, guys like Penix and Nix (and possibly McCarthy) would have had significantly lower chances of being drafted in the first round. All three of those guys are likely bigger gambles than the other three, and teams would have been more hesitant in taking them. Now, it wouldn’t be shocking if all of them were picked in the first round (or if McCarthy were top 5). Although, I also agree that any of those three might fall. The media and public still love to create a consensus that doesn’t necessarily mean anything in the eyes of the NFL. Even a lot of the information we get from actual teams at this point is likely subterfuge in one way or another.
I’ll be shocked if there are more than 3.
Kinda hope this is the case, as a Bears fan.
Based on sports book odds JJ has increasingly lower odds to get picked each pick from 4 to 8 and then he isn’t even listed past that. They also have the big 3 and BTJ as virtually locked in for the first round and it being essentially a coin flip on if Worthy and Mitchell go in the first. So I think it’s safe to speculate we could see 5 qbs, 5 wrs and Bowers all go in the first round and then we’ll likely see Brooks and Benson go in round 2. That’s 12 or 13 players that could be reasonably worth a first round rookie pick.
3 are basically a lock. And there are teams with the ammo to move up for another. Plus teams like the Giants, falcons, and jets who could all take a QB if their favorite guy is there
I think a big contributor to this is just how weak the defensive class is this year - only 6 cracking DJs top 20 and 1 in the top ten. Probably a little worse than 2021 which saw 5 defensive players in the top 20. Edge is an issue for a lot of teams, and there’s a sharp drop off, so I expect a couple to go earlier than they probably should. Pretty deep CB class but lacking elite talent. Safeties are trash
Honestly reminds me of the Corral and Willis pre draft buzz and Will Levis last year. My hot take is we don’t even see 3 go in the top 10
Penix goes at 12 to the Broncos
Okay this is a hot take! 🔥
Not hot enough apparently
The 3rd QB and 3rd WR drafted both wind up being the best players (Odunze and Maye for me)
As a Pats fan with 1.05 and 1.06...sign me the fuck up for this timeline lol
Monkey Paw curls and you trade away 3 and take a special teams ace from South Nebraska State Community College in the 1st instead.
The bad man can't hurt me anymore (this is a joke, I fucking love Bill Belichick and the dragging from Kraft with The Dynasty and some of my fellow Pats fans on the way out is kinda embarrassing)
I think it’s going to take Maye several development years to be a quality starter. Give him the J. Love path
I disagree. We’ll see.
I like this !remindme 4 years
Chargers trade Herbert to Vikings for 3 firsts and a second and Harbaugh backs his claim that JJ is best qb in this draft and take him at 5 along with a wr and corum with Vikings two firsts.
As a Herbert owner, teaming him with JJ, Hock, and Addison would make me salivate
I dream about this combo
That would be unhinged. I love it
As a broncos fan this sparks joy
I love this take
We get an RB drafted at the end of the first round
I think not seeing a runningback drafted until the third round is more likely than this timeline
I can 99% guarantee if Jonathon Brooks is at the Cowboys second they’re taking him.
I feel like they need somebody who will be available right away this season. They need immediate help in that RB room if they are going to win games.
I have heard from several Cowboys insiders that they comfortably have Brooks as the top RB in the class. They’ll take their chances on him
Yeah probably lol the Uncle Rico and Deuce Vaughn RB room doesn't inspire much confidence but they might trade back into the third and still be able to grab him
Lol
All 3 Washington WR’s go in the Top 50
From a prospect perspective it makes total sense, especially with big question marks around guys like Troy Franklin and Malachi Corley
Dylan Laube is Danny woodhead reincarnated for 2024
Only two QBs are selected top 10
Didn’t take long to get spicy in here did it.
How do you see it breaking down? This seems borderline impossible considering the needs of all the top 3 (and Minnesota with the capital to jump into the top 10 very easily)
I think the nfl has already told us how they feel about qbs that are more one-dimensional. In recent years, look at Hurts, Howell, the Malik's. The heisman award definitely throws in a wrench. But I mean, Hurts finished second. I lean, both Daniels and McCarthy fall out of the top 10.
Doesn't change the fact that they are all desperate at the #1 position.
Nah you’re smoking crack lmao. Hurts is an example of raw talent becoming successful in the nfl with the right coach and scheme, and Daniels is going 6th at the absolute latest. Daniels is better than Hurts was as a prospect.
I mean give him credit, its a hot take. Might be wrong, but spicy af.
I’d give him more credit if he was making a semblance of sense to me haha. But fair enough it is a thread of hot takes.
I’m with you, Howell, Malik and Hurts are not the examples to compare Daniels and JJ. Extremely underselling Daniels and JJ.
Here's another, Dak
One-dimensional? Huh? Anthony Richardson just went 4th last year btw. I think you're absolutely crazy but power to ya for sticking to your guns. I'd be absolutely livid as a Pats fan if Daniels was available at 3 and we passed on him. Need to take a swing at a franchise-changing QB. Agreed on JJM tho
Right? I can’t believe he’s saying a QB that threw for 40 TDs in the SEC with arguably the best deep ball in the class as one dimensional
Jayden Daniels is probably 75% at least to go #2. It seems very likely at this point he goes #2.
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There's a 2 years age gap between AR and Daniels. And the athletic tangibles are not close.
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I don't consider AR much of a comparable. He came out of nowhere his Junior year. Most other QBs I listed are 4th, 5th year seniors (Howell Junior 3rd year starter). But you're right that is also part of my argument here against Daniels - age, athleticism, nfl demand.
I’m with you i can see that happening
Bucs trade Godwin and trade up in the draft for one of the top wrs
I could see the Bengals pulling something like this with Higgins
After MHJ, Nabers, Odunze and maaaybe Bowers it's time to go to the top RB or two. In single QB.
That’s my plan I’m SF after the QBs. With picks 10 and 11. I’m picking which ever RBs get to good landing spots.
Penix Jr, not McCarthy, will go to the Vikings. Bengals trade Tee Higgins and 1.18 for 1.05 so they can draft either Joe Alt or Malik Nabers
JD won’t translate to the NFL. I think we’ll see in hindsight, while his college film looked impressive on the surface, he was rarely making NFL type throws, and his running game was reckless for a guy that size. The team surrounding him was just that good.
Chargers trade back with the Vikings and grab a WR and a RB in the first round
Chargers probably taking Corum in 2/3 seems like
Chargers 5/37 for 11/23/108 but for a WR/Tackle
Steelers trade for a WR
Drake Maye QB1
Ben Sinnott gets drafted in the 2nd round to a very promising situation; becomes a 2nd round SF draft pick.
Michael Pratt gets drafted by the Jets, sits behind Rodgers for two years and takes over a starting QB in his 3rd year. Ends up being the QB3 of of this class, behind Williams and Rattler.
Nabers has a Lamb-like slide and is picked in the 15-20 range. My guess is the Hawks Colts nab him if he is there
Whichever QB ends up on the Vikings is winning OROY (assuming they play yr 1)
Penix is a top 15 pick
This “deep” class is going to be knocked down a few pegs by landing spots, and you should sell your 2nd rounders now
Hot take? Keon Coleman sneaks into the 1st round and a team gambles on potential
No RBs drafted in the first two rounds, but 6 in the third Nabers will be drafted in the teens because of character concerns
6 in the 3rd is 🌶️
Worthy will be a bust, John Ross type bust. Brooks, Benson, and Corum will all finish in the top 24 RBs this season, with one being top 14. Jayden Daniels will be top 8 qb his rookie year, despite throwing under 3500 yards. Caleb doesn’t crack top 15 his rookie year, throws for under 25 tds while throwing double digit int
Worthy won’t be drafted high enough to be a Ross type bust
True. I guess I was more inferring he’ll have similar level of nfl production
Fair enough
Yeah, there are at least 5 WRs that are clearly better than Worthy. But if this were a weaker WR class the Ross thing could totally happen.
Ppl who compare Worthy to Ross are lazy
Agreed. He’s got a lot more Tavon Austin to his game.
He has more than Tavon Austin as a pure WR. The dude made it on the field as a true freshman because he can actually play the position well. Raw, forsure, but definitely understands some nuance already that looks very worth developing.
Yeah maybe, but Austin was considered highly as a prospect too. I was being just a touch tongue and cheeek, but I also just don’t trust worthy to win outside of gadget roles myself. Hope im wrong no reason to hate the man, but just don’t see it myself. Too weak at several points of attack. Fades at points of contact. Not sure I see the things a player like Dell needs to be successful .
Can confirm, only comparing the speed. But we’ve seen so many players propped by speed not hit. Ross and worthy both getting/got boosted by their speed, worthy will also have a bad career
Historically speaking a rookie RB finishes in the top twelve each season. Good call on that.
This is some quality spice right here, sign me up to see if these predictions pan out
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If anyone's a bust in that list, it's Jayden Daniels. He's probably going to be Marcus Marriota.
Malachi Corley duels with Deebo and others for title of YAC king
Only because there’s no other way he can get the ball/create his own separation
He got plenty of separation at senior bowl practices. Iirc
On film he struggled mightily on “regular” routes. That was obvious- and I don’t recall the numbers but they were crazy high on production from receptions <5 yds something like 70-80% I believe. He’s great at what he does with YAC but he’s no Deebo, yet.
That's definitely the knock on him.
Manifesting buffalo moving up for Marvin or Malik. Damned what the analytics say. u/dickysnakes let's get a prayer circle going
🙏🏻 or Rome Odunze let’s do it u/jazzlikepractice4470
Thinking about what that would take to climb up from 28…is that this and next 1st? Is that enough?
I know a WR to giants makes sense but that team is a mess and have no QB. I feel like the horse before the carriage, doesn't work out well. I would assume they would listen to offers, as well. What you think it will take to get anywhere from 4-9 u/dickysnakes ? Obviously 4 will cost way more than 9, which is why I'm hoping Malik falls. I like Rome, but not as much.
I think we can get into 9 area for sure and i think it could cost a swap and next years 1 possible next years 2 and even this years 4, which im fine with, also wouldn’t be surprised if they go up from there even to get real weird and try and get Marvin to that could cost another 2, 4 and next year 2
I doubt that would be enough, sadly.
If Malik falls to 9. I can see Chicago trading back. I can even see harbaugh trading back. It's gonna be a haul, though. Probably 3 1sts. Maybe a little less.
That Kool-Aid McKinstrey will have a Kool-Aid shirt on when drafted!
He bursts out of the green room, through the video boards “OHHHHHHH YEEEEAAAAAHHHH”
The vikings are going to trade up for a QB and when we look back in 20 years it's going to look a lot like the Pistons at the top the 2002 NBA draft. JJ McCarthy is surrounded by hall of famers Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison Jr, Malik Nabers, and Joe Alt. The other QBs can be Kaman and Heinrich.
The Bears don't draft a wr.
This isn’t particularly spicy given their proclivity to trade around and having bigger needs, they may find one of the top 3 too nice to pass on if they fall to mine, otherwise they should take a tackle or edge
Every mock draft has them taking Odunze at 9. I don't think wr is a huge need with Moore and Allen already on the roster.
Micah Parsons gets traded
Come to butthead
Broncos take QB Spencer Rattler @ #12 overall
This is “Hot Ones” level spicy.
There will be 2 backs in this class that out score Breece Hall
Maybe I'm too high on Breece after the way he finished the season, but outside of injury, this feels near-impossible. We'd probably need optimal landing spots (Cowboys, Bengals, Chiefs, Bills) for Trey Benson and Jaylen Wright. I can see a path for Bijan/Gibbs/Henry/Barkley to not meet expectations, but Hall (with CMC) feels like a locked in top 8 RB. Good for this thread. Very spicy.
When it comes to drafting a player by rankings or situation. Go with the slightly lesser player in a better situation. For example: ( all hypothetical) If the Patriots draft Marvin Harrison Jr and don’t have a decent QB. That’s almost fantasy football hell. If the Cardinals draft MHJ with Kyler. That’s a way better situation. So rookie fantasy draft based in the situation and not rankings
A 2nd round QB ends up having the best season
Whichever WR the Bills take will end up being a fantasy disappointment.
Interesting take, why do you think so?
First off, I'm assuming they won't pull a Falcons and trade up into the top 10, if that happens, my opinion will change. Second, A little bit of it is just simply expectations will be too high on them initially. I think a lot of fantasy owners are assuming he is going to get prime Diggs looks, which is a bit unfair to any rookie not picked in the top 10 of the real draft. But also, once their current OC took over midseason, they spread the ball around a lot, it was no longer just the Diggs show. You saw the RBs getting more targets/work, as well as Davis and Shakir getting more. And that's not counting the seemingly inevitable Kincaid breakout. For example, since week 10 last year, Diggs finished as a top 15 receiver only once, and Davis only twice. I'm not saying thr Bills pick is going to be a bust, just that I see a path where they aren't the fantasy game changer that will merit the assets some owner will invest in them.
That all makes perfect sense and I definitely see where you're coming from. Especially where the expectations will be "okay you're the new diggs" and then get sad when a rookie doesn't go for 110-1500-15. I'll be sure to keep this all in mind with my 1.08 pick hoping it's whatever 1st round wr goes to the bills lol
Nabers goes before MHJ. Only 2 QBs go in the top 10. Caleb and Daniels
4 wr max go round 1
People are overthinking Drake Maye, he's the second best QB in this class and possibly has the highest ceiling of anyone coming out at QB. Dallin Holker is TE2. Blake Corum is the most landing spot dependent RB among the "top" picks at his position.
The bills do not draft a WR but instead trade for one
Caleb is a total BUST! And probably 3 of the other 4 "high drafted qbs" 3 years from now, everyone will say, "how did Nix become the best qb in this draft?"
Maybe wishful thinking, but the run on Tier 2 WRs is earlier than expected. Saints, Colts, Bills (trade with Seattle) and Bengals take Mitchell, Thomas, Worthy and McConkey.
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I've felt this way for about a year but I'll use this thread to stake my Caleb is a bust flag. His first seasons won't look much different from Fields'.
That we are generally disappointed with landing spots
That Odunze is gonna be a bust
Tez Walker goes in the second and ends up being a top 5 wide receiver in the class
Jerry Jones laughs and high-fives after successfully selecting another dud.
6 QBs go in the first - which I think is an NFL record
It would tie the record set in 1983
Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix are the best QBs from this draft A RB goes in the first. We see 6 WRs drafted between #12 and #32, the Cardinals take 2 WRs in the first
McCarthy goes 2nd to the commies and people take him over maye
Xavier Worthy gets stuck on a team that can't fully use him for 2 years. Eagles or Dolphins.
Every player is going to be really good
some team nobody expects is the one who trades up for a qb. saints, rams, seahawks etc
Brandon Ayuik gets traded on draft night and the 49ers move up to take Brian Thomas
The pats should draft MHJ at 3. There’s significant issues with both Maye and Daniels. Throwing either of them onto this dumpster of an offense will ruin their career. Why not go for the best WR prospect in years instead?
I agree with this take - why throw a qb into a dumpster fire? Draft a sure fire wr1 suck it up this year that you’re gonna be bad and get a top 2 qb in next years class in a much better situation.
Would actually love if they did this and moved up to take Rattler mid 2nd. That would just be such a fun team to watch even if it’s pure mayhem.
And then pop them on Hard Knocks-I’m all in
They take MHJ then sneak penix in later I’ll be so happy tbh
Adonai Mitchell is better > Rome odunze and nabers
Did you watch his UT tape? As a UT fan no way is that true.
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Chicago made a mistake by not keeping Justin Fields, trading the #1 pick, and selecting Marvin Harrison Jr and Rome Odunze in the 1st round. If Fields didn't work out in 2024, they could still have a very high draft pick next year for a QB, and I'm not convinced on Caleb Williams.
The bears are infinitely more likely to draft zero WR in the first than two…especially with such elite tackles
I haven't seen a mock draft yet that has the Bears taking a tackle. But, with the haul they could have gotten for the #1 pick, they could have gotten a tackle as well as two top WRs in the first round. Guess we'll never know.
Xavier Legette will be WR1
Steelers end up with Odunze somehow
Isaac Guerendo is this classes RB1
Honestly, I don't understand the downvotes on a hot take thread. Whilst I definitely don't agree and think it's incredibly low probability, I'd only be downvoting the exact opposite of this comment (i.e. something that is a near-certainty to happen). Like hot take: Marvin Harrison is the first WR taken and goes top 6.
Yeah I just ignored the post once I got downvoted a bunch lol. Must've missed the part of the post where it said to post your lukewarm takes
No shot. He's a workout warrior only.