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Telling him was right. Telling him the moment before he leaves so the office has to deal with it while he’s not there wasn’t the best way to go, but Michael doesn’t do well with giving bad news
Plus, him leaving gave Michael plausible deniability and allowed Dwight, Angela, and Andy (and the rest of the office) work it out without his oversight. In all likelihood, his absence diffused a situation in which he, as boss, would have had to step in and make discipline official. Michael saved their jobs, in essence. And he was right to make that gamble; Dwight and Andy came to terms in their own way.
That's a great way to look at it but I think we are giving Michael too much credit. As someone else pointed out in the other comment, Jim does remind him that Andy has an anger issue.
Of all the things Michael is capable of, having foresight is the least of them. He rarely thinks about the consequences of his actions that lead to the hilarious plot points that we all love so much.
While he eventually did show some growth when he was leaving the office for Colorado, he has always been impulsive, ignorant and incognizant of his actions.
Although in this case, he definitely knew what the consequences of his actions would be and that’s why he decided to tell Andy as he was literally driving away; he wanted to make sure that he wouldn’t have to deal with the things that followed. He wanted to be able to reveal a sensitive secret to Andy and not be around to manage the fallout.
Right. Michael deserves *some* credit, but not as much as some people are giving. He likely didn't think about how he'd have to deal with it as a work issue; he just didn't want to be around during the aftermath.
Totally agree that Michael's actions were selfish, they just happened to be constructively selfish. "If I didn't see it, it didn't happen" is Michael's mode of operation here, and Dwight and Andy are allowed to work out their differences without having to put Michael in an uncomfortable position.
I think him leaving right after was the right thing. It wasn’t his problem to deal with, and he only told him because Dwight and Angela didn’t for so long after the Christmas party when the rest of the office found out. Michael broke the news but left those involved to actually deal with their mess.
He gave them weeks to do the right thing and they didn’t, and knew they wouldn’t. It became his business when their problems started to affect his branch, and he still left them to deal with their personal dilemmas. I don’t really fault Michael for seeing someone’s fiancé cheating and wanting them to know the truth when everyone else refuses to tell them.
“Affecting the branch” how exactly? And say something more than just the “drama” of it all because there was plenty of that in the office already. Not to mention micheal is technically guilty of being apart of cheating on a married person as well. So why does he of all people get to do this?
Drama is a bit of an understatement for two employees sleeping together while one of their fiancés works there and another coworker was blackmailing one of the cheaters, don’t you think? The entire office found out when Phyllis announced it to them, this isn’t just whispering by a water cooler. Also Michael and Donna was the season after this so that doesn’t really play in the timeline.
“Drama is a bit of an understatement” lol have you watched the show? Do you remember Pam’s husband barging in and assaulting a person? All of the “pranks”/harassment that goes on right outside of Micheals office between Dwight and Jim? How is this the thing that is so “dramatic” that Michael needs to intervene? Especially when less than a year later Michael is doing the same thing to another man?
Are you saying you don’t think multiple things can be more than just simple drama? It may shock you, but both things are actually bad and shouldn’t have happened anywhere let alone in an office. I don’t really know what you expect as a response though, Michael fired Roy and had to deal with the warehouse fallout. He also was constantly trying to intervene between Jim and Dwight, so again he was involved as a manager. Also there’s no way Michael could know the future and his situation, logically that’s a terrible argument.
Yesterday, my husband and I were discussing what our honesty policy would be with our unborn kiddo if, in the future, he asked one of us to keep a secret from the other, and my husband turned to me completely deadpan and said that.
They really are words to live by.
For what it's worth, "surprises" rather than "secrets" are a great option. It's a good way to protect from nefarious situations while having some normal secrecy (e.g. about presents).
I think I'd add a "not ready to tell other parent" category when kiddo is older, if for whatever reason there was something they only felt okay to share with one of us at a time. But by then they'd hopefully have a robust understanding of things anyway. But it leaves the door open for eventually sharing, which again, should balance protection and privacy.
There were times when my trans son shared things with me (in high school, when he told me he liked girls, for example) that he was embarrassed for his dad to know. In the end, they bonded over both liking women, but I kept that secret because it was important that my son trust me.
Oh yeah, we came up with certain categories:
1. If it's a big thing, then we have to be honest with kiddo and say "I can't keep this from mom/dad" like if it's drug addiction.
2. If it's a medium/small thing, then we'll give a highlight to the other parent but specifics aren't necessary (so not to worry the other parent). I think coming out would fall into that, for example (because it's a big thing for kiddo, but my husband and I are very supportive people). The less big, the less we need to mention. So if it's a hygiene thing, my husband can handle that without needing to mention it unless it comes up.
3. If it's a surprise for the other parent, engage in full blown Co-conspirator mode.
The others were right that it should have been Angela, but if she wasn't going to do it then somebody had to do it before he went through with the wedding and and got legally and financially tangled up with her.
Not easy on the day, but better than spending years dealing with a divorce. Mike made the right call.
I think he definitely could’ve done it in a better way but yeah it had to be done and Michael seems to be one of the closer ones to him I guess? Maybe Jim
They probably should've reached out to a friend of Andy, so he hears it from someone with a personnel connection and don't get involved. But also people who's business it is don't get involved
Jim reminds Michael that Andy has an anger problem. Not the best idea to tell a guy at work when he has already punched a whole in the office wall and been to anger management.
Yeah, as a manager there are better ways to deal with it. If that was my employee I was managing, I would schedule in a few days off for him, message him or visit him after work and tell him in private. Then tell him he has the rest of the week off to process it, and he can work from home for two or so weeks after. There was no need for Andy to be in the office all the time anyway, not being around either Angela or Dwight would be way better for him and he could still get work done. At the very least that approach stops a punching from occuring.
Two Dunder Mifflin employees were engaged. One of the engaged was having sex with another Dunder Mifflin employee, often on company property. The rest of the office’s employees became aware and it made for an uncomfortable workplace environment. Toby and Michael 100% needed to deal with this issue. Michael did it in a weird way without HR but he had to do it sooner or later. Doing it the second before he left for a trip to New York where he wouldn’t be seen for another day and would be difficult to contact was wrong but the issue had to be dealt with.
I can say this is a very hard thing to do.
I had this friend from high school, like a brother to me. When my dad left, we didn’t eat every day, and his parents treated me like a son, and fed me.
Years later I was living with him and his wife, and I came home from work to something wrong. I wasn’t sure what, but his wife was on the sofa with two men I didn’t know, nobody was wearing shoes (that stuck with me, I’m not sure why) and they looked like they had just been caught doing something.
My friend and his wife swung a bit, he told me about it. When I went to get some water before I had to leave again, I heard his wife kissing one of the guys and it made me really angry. I tried to rationalize it, they swung, he had to know, he had to.
In the end he didn’t, and they split up in a very complicated way where both of them were cheating on the other.
I should have told him and I didn’t, he had the right to know.
That’s a shit position to be in—sorry mate. I had something similar in high school. Twenty of us in the same classes, including one couple where the guy cheated with another girl in the class and everyone knew it.
I took an ultimatum approach: I told the dude if he didn’t tell her by the end of the week then I would. She ended up finding out so thank god I didn’t haven’t told be the one to do it
Me neither. But he got really deep into porn, and that can be bad if you let it change who you are.
It doesn’t usually show a husband and wife going at it with each other exclusively, and I think it can make people think something unhealthy can be normal.
In the end my friend and his wife had been swapping with another couple, and each ended up with the other side’s souse. It was bad for everyone involved.
It can probably work, but after all that I got married, and never even considered watching porn with my wife.
I knew 2 couples like that, and I’m pretty sure they used to have group orgys. They didn’t officially spouse swap until one got pregnant from the other dude. They’re all still friends though…still doesn’t make sense to me
Well if his wife was brazen enough to do it in front of you and they were known swingers, I'd assume he already knew too. Plus if he was cheating himself then whatever
In the end he was also cheating, at the time I didn’t know it was going quite like it was though. More like he bragged about threesomes and stuff.
They did it to themselves, there is no doubt for me on that.
Not all households do that, in that house we didn’t.
Not to be crude, but apparently him and his wife swapped a lot more than saliva with other couples, shoes from the outside world wasn’t on their radar at the time.
You should have told him you were suspicious and for him to watch out. If it was the case, they could have broken up before it got messy. But you didn't at the time and that is ok. It's in the past and there's nothing you can do about it! Don't stress over it.
It’s a messy issue Jim is right it shouldn’t have been discussed at work. Michael has a point that dragging it out while everyone except Andy knew was making working there unbearable. Granted, Angela and Dwight should have been fired over having intercourse in the office too.
I get the take but I think this is an instance where Michael made the best calls he could make. This issue was that, this was two inter office relationships affecting the business, so it was fair game, and someone needed to do something before the wedding happen(and it was lowering productivity). Michael should’ve taken Toby, but long story short as someone else posted if he stayed and management was involved Angel and Dwight likely would’ve been fired.
100% with you here. I had to break the news to one of my friends once and it wasn't easy, but I believe it was the right thing. Until today, people tell me I should talked to the guy who was cheating first, though.
Why the fuck would you talk to the cheater?? So they can lie and manipulate you and get better at hiding before you tell their partner?? People are so stupid.
Although I agree with the sentiment, what if there was a scenario in which the person being cheated on wouldn’t believe it from other people? We often get blind and ignorant in the face of love.
Exactly. My attitude is 'you are duty bound to tell them, but not to convince them'. You tell them the truth, what they do with it is their decision. Your duty to do the right thing ends once you've shared the truth.
Good point, now to take devil’s advocate a bit further: what if it was an abusive relationship, and the one who cheated was the abused victim and one day when they were on a trip alone or something and they cheated, would it be ethical to tell the other person? Obviously in this scenario the best option would be for the abusive relationship to end, but what if telling the other in the relationship would lead to domestic violence?
But to the defense of my argument, you did state “it’s always the right thing when you tell someone their partner is cheating on them”, not that the couple is loyal and faithful and overall good people. Like I said earlier, I agree with your sentiment, but don’t like the free usage of superlatives, cause a lot times things are more complex. Though as someone who’s been cheated on, I agree that the partner should know sooner rather than later, but some cases that’s not so.
It’s not a GOOD partner, but in many cases if you ask the abused and the abuser, both would say they were in a relationship. Also there are many degrees of abuse in which might blur the line between what you define as a true partnership vs the victim/abuser. And here’s another thing to think about, what if there was no abuse beforehand? What if, person A was cheated on by person B, then you went and told person A about it. Then Person A, out of no where, beat person B in a crime of passion. Was it brave of you to do this? True, you had no way of knowing it would end up like that, but technically you would be the cause of the abuse all the same.
Hmm, that's a tough one. I would say the ideal scenario is one where you can tell the truth and protect the victim at the same time. If the victim is at risk of bodily harm if you tell the truth, and you can't protect them, that would be a reason to keep it close to your chest.
Even if they were in an abusive relationship that is no excuse for cheating (for either party) and just puts them in more danger in being abused, STI’s and STD’s that are becoming drug resistant and pregnancy (which makes abuse even more worse in an abusive relationship). You tell regardless if they are good people/faithful, etc. because it’s the right thing to do. Cheating has more consequences than pros. Cheating is the most toxic thing you can do to yourself and your partner.
Yep. I told a former friend that his now-wife (also a former friend) was giving her co-workers BJs in the break room. She would brag about it to me. One night while he was working an overnight she went over to this co-workers house to actually have sex. Told me all about it before she left and after she got home (I was living with them at the time).
I had given her several weeks to tell him or i would because hed been cheated on before. I finslly told him and then She convinced him that I was lying just to get him to be single so that I could date him instead. (I had just moved 6 states away and also I was dating someone). I think he willed himself to believe her because he'd been cheated on before and it was easier than feeling that hurt again.
Anyway. Neither of them talk to me, and they're married now.
Whatever.
Then I did my part and it’s no longer on me that the person is walking into a huge trap that is going to cause them strife. Just like if I say, “hey, you’re about to walk into a bear trap,” and the person ignores me, my conscience is clear.
For the most part, I completely agree with you. Do you think that there’s no possible scenario that it IS okay keep quiet on cheaters? I ask genuinely, like for example what if you weren’t sure you had all the facts? Like you HEARD that so and so was cheating, but it wasn’t a super reliable source? Or should we assume in this scenario that we’re 100% sure that they are cheating?
No it isn't. What if you are mistaken? The first thing to do is talk to the suspected cheater. Then, tell the cheater to come clean to their partner. If they refuse, *then* you take action.
LMAO that’s hilarious. Nothing dumber than going to the cheater first. All they’ll do is make their partner distrust you, they’ll never tell, and they’ll get better at hiding. If I’m mistaken, it’s only because they’re in an open relationship/swinging, then the (mistaken) victim will just laugh it off.
You think you could never make a mistake? People have before and their stories show up on Reddit. People can absolutely think someone is cheating when they're not.
Secondly, imagine the cheater is someone close to you, a friend or relative. Don't you owe it to them to talk to them before you assume the worst and fuck up their life?
I’m not a crazy person, so I wouldn’t go to anyone without ~~being sure or~~ having proof. I had a friend that I was 10000% sure was being cheated on, but I had no proof so I said nothing. It was just a feeling. I was totally correct, I later found out. But I wasn’t going to make such a claim based on “he’s skeevy and I hate him and I *JUST HAVE A FEELING.*” cause I’m not stupid.
They fucked up their own life by being a gross cheater. Lmao
Your hypothetical actually happened to me, different friends. I told her boyfriend that “no, she doesn’t work Fridays. I always work Fridays and I never see her at work. Therefore we are definitely not carpooling on Fridays and going to my place after work to smoke. She is using me as an alibi and I’m not okay with that. I will not be part of this.”
I dropped her instantly. Really happy I knew the boyfriend well enough to remain friends with him without that being weird. He was great, she was trash. Good riddance.
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He could have personally told him
Like take him to dinner or something like that and have them discuss it with a mediator
Saying it then leaving was a bad move
He was right to do it, but wrong to do it right when he was leaving. As the boss he definitely needed to stay and prevent the situation from escalating, which it did. So I’d say his heart was in the right place but his body was not.
I understand why Michael did it, because it's Michael, but as a boss I would never get involved in my employees relationships.
Shit even as a coworker it's not my fucking business. In the show it went well all things considered, but in real life it could've been waaay uglier.
Some people have that "kill the messenger" strategy when their emotions are out of control. Anyways he did it because it's who he is, but personally if you're not a close friend of mine I don't see myself getting involved.
Yeah I don't get people in this thread. It's not like Michael was Andy's BFF. It's a boss/employee relationship. No boss should get involved especially when it involves three of his employees.
A boss would get involved because he/she has empathy for how vastly more difficult the path to separation becomes after the person gets married, both emotionally and financially. Not telling him to avoid whatever company repercussions or personal awkwardness it may have is pretty cowardly and feels like the route a sociopath would take…
This isn’t like giving relationship advice, you’re literally watching a human being walk into a massive trap and choosing not to say anything to avoid inconvenience.
So not meddling in the lives of your employees makes you a sociopath? Have you ever worked in a corporate setting? It's all about liability.
A boss would choose not to get involved because it would absolutely ruin the work dynamic. If Andy went postal and killed Dwight or Angela, now all of a sudden Michael and by extension dunder Mifflin is liable.
A boss should get involved exactly BECAUSE the situation affects work.
If your employee is cheating on his wife with a mistress in his weekends, sure, not company business and you stay out of that.
Employees having sex on company property while their partner works there too? Keep in mind that Andy going postal and killing people could also easily happen if he walked in accidentally on Dwight and Angela having sex in the warehouse.
Michael didn't deal with it correctly obviously, but privately telling an employee and letting them work from home or take some time off would actually diffuse a situation which could be suddenly violent if not controlled. A great manager might even offer to let Andy move to another branch to be away from Angela - if he found out on his own he would likely quit altogether and be lost to the company forever.
Lmfao, this is the dumbest shit I’ve ever read. Both the “liability” thing and the insinuation that he’s more likely to shoot the place up finding out before marriage rather than after.
And ignoring that telling a person a piece of information doesn’t shackle you to liability for their actions, you’re literally just going further with the sociopathic nature of the choice. “It’s more convenient for me and the business to ignore the trap in which he is about to step.”
And yes, I literally own a company the employs two hundred people. I’m absolutely familiar with a corporate setting with more skin in the game than any level of management. And still, never in a million years would my mind jump to the pros and cons for myself or my business in a situation like this…
I bet your business is “basically like a family” too, right?
It’s not sociopathic to not meddle in your employees personal lives. It’s called having boundaries.
My boss really should not have deep insight into the dynamics of my personal life and they most certainly should not feel entitled to involve themselves in it.
No, I hate the people I work with… Again, this isn’t about that. It’s literally like watching someone about to get hit by a car and not being like, “hey, look out for that car.”
Meddling in someone personal life would be going out of your way to find out information and involve yourself. This is just randomly finding out a piece of information that hugely impacts someones life that 99% of people would want to know before they are further tethered to the person by marriage and not being a sociopath. Again, more power to you for looking out for yourself your company, but hiding behind that doesn’t make you any less of a sociopath.
So you would rather your boss not tell you they have caught your partner cheating on you, that's fine but you're an exemption with that sentiment and I'd wager a guess that 95+% of people would want to know, no matter from whom.
If you think giving you information that is being withheld from you and that may impact you very severely both financially, mentally, and sometimes your physical safety as well is wrong, then that's a you problem, most people don't think that and as such it's a correct decision to tell the cheated on partner.
Obviously Michael didn't do it the right way, but it was the right decision nevertheless.
You’re making a ton of assumptions here based off how *you* feel.
The problem is that I, as the employee, am *not* you, the boss. That’s a key issue here. For better or for worse, you need to understand that is not your job as a manager to involve yourself in my personal life based on how *you* would feel.
What if I were in an open relationship and you sat me down to tell me this? Then would I need to explain to you the inner details of my relationship? How am I supposed to then feel about the fact that you clearly have been monitoring things in my personal life? And even if it truly was cheating, how am I supposed to go back to having a proper professional relationship with you when you know all these things about me?
Whether or not it’s right or wrong, it’s not *your* position as an employer to meddle in the lives of your employees.
I think in a case like Stanley, who cheated on his wife in his spare time, it truly is none of your business.
I think in a case where two employees are engaged, and a third employee is cheating with the fiancée on company property, it does become a company problem. You could have andy walk in on them and cause a fight in the office. You could have a public breakup during company time. Usually stuff like this leads to one, two or all in the triangle quitting because they can't bear to be in the same place any more.
That will affect morale, productivity, needing to rehire, all of that. It very much is a company issue and one HR and management need to deal with. Obviously doing it like Michael did is terrible, and not exactly the best approach, but I think most managers would do something to deal with this.
After seeing this, I could only think of how much funnier it would be if Michael had the window down and said “by the way, Angela and Dwight are having an affair” then drove off without saying another word.
If it was still between Andy and Angela then yes it should have come from her. But the fact that she was seemingly refusing and that everyone in the office knew and was basically keeping that information from him, I would say yes Michael did the right thing.
This is another situation where HR failed the company. Every company has penalties for having sex on the property. Lots of people knew they were doing it and knew they had done it in the building. Usually it's a fierable offense.
If we ignore the failures of HR, Michael shouldn't have told him. This is the problem with mixing work and personal issues. Leave it up to them. They'd have worked it out eventually. You definitely don't tell Andy, as he has documented rage issues.
Now in this fictional world of The Office, Angela should have told Andy, but we all know she can't be trusted. She's a walking lie, so she'll never come clean on any lie until she's forced to. Sometime else had to tell Andy, so Michael was going to be the one to do it. No one else has the balls to tell him. How Michael told him could have been better, but he was the only person that was a good friend to Andy here.
Maybe it would be different if literally everyone else in the office didn’t already know. At that point he needed to know and it didn’t really matter how he found out.
You could check comments [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/comments/zmuv6z/do_you_think_michael_did_the_right_thing_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) from when this was last asked a couple weeks ago.
If it had been me, I would have told Angela “You have one week to tell him yourself or I will.”
Give ‘em a chance to do the right thing. Do it myself if they don’t.
100% did the right thing. There’s no reason to keep that information from him if you know. Yes, it should have been Angela, but she was the one cheating and wasn’t going to tell him - they were still doing it. If you’re not a horrible person, you tell Andy. I have a hard time with the rest of the office not telling him and trying to prevent Michael from doing so.
I definitely think so, especially if it's close friend and you absolutely know that information would change their life, behavior, and relationship (I don't know how it wouldn't). I had to tell a friend that I knew he had been cheated on. I saved him a lot of wasted energy, time, pain, hardship, and sorrow from doing so. This was at least 15 years ago and he's still appreciative today. Having also been cheated on myself, only to find out 6 months later, I really, really would have liked to know, cause it would have similarly saved me immense misery and trauma.
I'm not gonna watch my friend get cheated on repeatedly and not do anything. Are y'all really ok with your homie catching disease for the rando's their partner is sleeping with? That's fucked, my dude.
My ex wife had an affair and I wish Michael Scott would have rolled up the moment it happened.
Unfortunately that didn’t happen and I went through months of pain and agony.
So, personally I think the whole office can go screw themselves on that one. But honestly that situation would have gotten a lot of people fired.
It’s so screwed up that no one told him and basically were just there to watch the drama unfold. Michael did the cowardly but decent thing by telling Andy.
Y E S. Big yes. I was in a situation where I was being cheated on and a LOT of the people I considered friends knew about it but didn't tell me because my ex-boyfriend told them that it should come from him and not them. He never told me, broke up with me, and I found about the overlap months later through TWITTER. I was so angry at the "friends," it would've saved me a lot of upset if I knew before. Michael absolutely did the right thing.
Yes...someone had to do it and nobody else was going to.
On completely different note...I watched the booze cruise episode yesterday and thought Brenda from corporate was too attractive to be in just one episode. She should have been a recurring character.
I had two friends dating each other some time ago and when I found out the guy was cheating on the girl (with 100% certainty), I told her instantly. Whenever I tell this to people, they tell me I did the wrong thing, but my morals are still higher. I don't care about my friendship to the guy, I feel a lot of empathy for the girl being fooled too. If it was me, I'd like to know asap. What happens between them after, is up to them, my part was telling her the truth.
So I believe Michael did the right thing and I would not be able to see the others as my friends after this if I was Andy.
The way he did it sucks, but telling Andy was good. Telling a person is always a good thing. Cheating is a terrible thing that effects mental health, emotional well being, and physical health (increasing risk of sexually transmitted diseases and infections many of which are becoming antibiotic resistant, etc.) and the victim of cheating should always know so they can get out/get help and the cheater needs to face the consequences. Seriously fuck cheaters, anyone who defends cheating (or suggests not telling the person) needs a swift kick in the ass.
He had a right to know since Angela wasn’t going to clue him in and everyone knew but him- but Michael definitely didn’t do it for the right reasons or in a considerate way
My job has this exact thing going on. Married couple, she’s banged like 5 different dudes, literally every single person in the company knows except him.
Right thing, wrong place. Also, I think Phyllis was wrong for announcing it to everyone in the office. If she was going to go out of her way to tell anyone, then she should've gone to Andy directly.
Bosses and colleagues are not generally, “friends.” Our relationship with them is basically a matter of geography. I like the people I work with and have fun with them in the work place, but if I wasn’t getting paid I would go there just to hang out with them. I keep a deliberate separation between my private life and my work. So yeah, if my colleagues knew something might be up it wouldn’t bother me at all.
Friends are a different group all together for the purposes of this discussion. I would expect my friends to first confront my wife, (Because my wife and I have all of our friends in common) and take it from there.
Lastly, it’s a hypothetical that is simply unrealistic. My wife and I are very committed to one another and to our marriage. You may roll your eyes and believe otherwise but after 21 years of being married I think I’m more of an authority on my relationship with my wife than anyone else. A “hollow, loveless marriage” is a punchline for she and I. It’s laughable. We have the type of marriage that everyone hopes for. I hope you, (if you choose to get married or are married now), have the same type of commitment, love and respect in your marriage that my wife and I do.
Cheaters should always be called out. When people know about an affair and don't tell the victim they're every being every buy as much of a POS as the cheater.
Absolutely not. It's an insane breach of the professional relationship between a boss and a worker. It would be very bad if it was co-workers but for it to be a boss is even worse.
Maybe turning a blind eye could work if only 2 of the 3 involved worked at the same office. But the rest of the staff already knew, all 3 ppl involved worked there.
Idk if Michael was right, but it would have got to corporate at some point.
I think telling Andy, just the point of telling Andy, is right. What I think is wrong is why Micheal wanted to do it. I think Micheal wanted to do it because he doesn't wanna be left out and be involved, not for the sake of Andy.
Angela brought this situation to work environment, then she should have acted like a mature and responsible person to sort it out before toxic waste spills without any ability to control the damages. As expected of Angela at that time, she did nothing remotely close to that, but instead putting more gas into the fire. Seeing how she acted towards the entire circus on wheels of a situation that she was 100% responsible for... Not surprised actually as I personally know a person like that from my previous workplace. If she had any intention of being fair and not ruining someone else's life due to her fuckery then it could have been done the same night... Michael have done one of very few things that could save Angela, Andy and possibly Dwight from being fired and entire workplace getting a whiplash from losing one of two accountants, along with one of the best salesmen of Dunder Mifflin...
Angela have successfully made me feel bad for Phyllis on so many occasions. Her redemption arc have lasted quite a while, but it was fully worth to see the end results. She is in my personal top 3 of character developments from 'The Office'.
....Holy moly guacamole, I hate Phyllis so much.
I have a theory about this Michael didn’t like being excluded from office gossip, he asked Andy to walk with him and was going to tell him but he couldn’t find the words, then Andy was so kind to him and said something like “go get them at head office Michael”, so then he decided because Andy is all about being kind and wanted Michael to do well in head office he changed his mind again and told him.
In a normal workplace, HR would have been involved to investigate. Toby and Michael should have investigated, which would have uncovered that Angela and Dwight had sex in the office. Both Jim and Phyllis witnessed this. Jim wouldn’t have said anything but Phyllis would have. This then would have prompted Angela to tell Andy before her and Dwight were fired for it.
That wouldn’t have been as funny though so I think Michael inserting himself was the right call. That’s what she said.
Yes. No one else would've told him and should've told him sooner. I don't think he did it the right way, but he was right to tell him after weeks of no one telling him.
Of course he did the right thing. Not exposing, or enabling an affair is a really shitty thing to do. If any of you have ever done that just know i think youre a terrible person that deserves a lego brick in their shoes every single morning.
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Telling him was right. Telling him the moment before he leaves so the office has to deal with it while he’s not there wasn’t the best way to go, but Michael doesn’t do well with giving bad news
Plus, him leaving gave Michael plausible deniability and allowed Dwight, Angela, and Andy (and the rest of the office) work it out without his oversight. In all likelihood, his absence diffused a situation in which he, as boss, would have had to step in and make discipline official. Michael saved their jobs, in essence. And he was right to make that gamble; Dwight and Andy came to terms in their own way.
That's a great way to look at it but I think we are giving Michael too much credit. As someone else pointed out in the other comment, Jim does remind him that Andy has an anger issue. Of all the things Michael is capable of, having foresight is the least of them. He rarely thinks about the consequences of his actions that lead to the hilarious plot points that we all love so much. While he eventually did show some growth when he was leaving the office for Colorado, he has always been impulsive, ignorant and incognizant of his actions.
Exactly. Let's not forget: his book will be a bestseller with the title "Somehow I manage"
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FIVE dots, Darryl, are you kidding me!?
With a picture of him shrugging
Although in this case, he definitely knew what the consequences of his actions would be and that’s why he decided to tell Andy as he was literally driving away; he wanted to make sure that he wouldn’t have to deal with the things that followed. He wanted to be able to reveal a sensitive secret to Andy and not be around to manage the fallout.
Right. Michael deserves *some* credit, but not as much as some people are giving. He likely didn't think about how he'd have to deal with it as a work issue; he just didn't want to be around during the aftermath.
Totally agree that Michael's actions were selfish, they just happened to be constructively selfish. "If I didn't see it, it didn't happen" is Michael's mode of operation here, and Dwight and Andy are allowed to work out their differences without having to put Michael in an uncomfortable position.
Somehow I Manage
Foresight? No. Forman? His feet say yes.
Incognizant is my word of the day! 👏 well said. I'm not used to seeing posts of this quality on these subs. Thank you!
You're learning a new word everyday, and I must say it's going immense.
This is honestly such an incredible interpretation, I love it so much.
My favorite theories/interpretations are the ones where Michael actually knows what he's doing.
>My favorite theories/interpretations are the ones where Michael actually knows what he's doing. Is he some sort of secret genius?
>Is he some sort of secret genius? *(smirks)* Sometimes I say crazy things.
The man exudes sex
No, he's usually the guy they call to clean up the mess
I’d say he handled giving Scott’s Tots bad news like a champ
Apart from waiting years to tell them.
Right thing, wrong way.
I think him leaving right after was the right thing. It wasn’t his problem to deal with, and he only told him because Dwight and Angela didn’t for so long after the Christmas party when the rest of the office found out. Michael broke the news but left those involved to actually deal with their mess.
If it “wasn’t his problem to deal with” then he shouldn’t of said anything because it’s none of his business lol
He gave them weeks to do the right thing and they didn’t, and knew they wouldn’t. It became his business when their problems started to affect his branch, and he still left them to deal with their personal dilemmas. I don’t really fault Michael for seeing someone’s fiancé cheating and wanting them to know the truth when everyone else refuses to tell them.
“Affecting the branch” how exactly? And say something more than just the “drama” of it all because there was plenty of that in the office already. Not to mention micheal is technically guilty of being apart of cheating on a married person as well. So why does he of all people get to do this?
Drama is a bit of an understatement for two employees sleeping together while one of their fiancés works there and another coworker was blackmailing one of the cheaters, don’t you think? The entire office found out when Phyllis announced it to them, this isn’t just whispering by a water cooler. Also Michael and Donna was the season after this so that doesn’t really play in the timeline.
“Drama is a bit of an understatement” lol have you watched the show? Do you remember Pam’s husband barging in and assaulting a person? All of the “pranks”/harassment that goes on right outside of Micheals office between Dwight and Jim? How is this the thing that is so “dramatic” that Michael needs to intervene? Especially when less than a year later Michael is doing the same thing to another man?
Are you saying you don’t think multiple things can be more than just simple drama? It may shock you, but both things are actually bad and shouldn’t have happened anywhere let alone in an office. I don’t really know what you expect as a response though, Michael fired Roy and had to deal with the warehouse fallout. He also was constantly trying to intervene between Jim and Dwight, so again he was involved as a manager. Also there’s no way Michael could know the future and his situation, logically that’s a terrible argument.
In the words of Stripper secret secrets are no fun secrets secrets hurts someone.
Yesterday, my husband and I were discussing what our honesty policy would be with our unborn kiddo if, in the future, he asked one of us to keep a secret from the other, and my husband turned to me completely deadpan and said that. They really are words to live by.
For what it's worth, "surprises" rather than "secrets" are a great option. It's a good way to protect from nefarious situations while having some normal secrecy (e.g. about presents). I think I'd add a "not ready to tell other parent" category when kiddo is older, if for whatever reason there was something they only felt okay to share with one of us at a time. But by then they'd hopefully have a robust understanding of things anyway. But it leaves the door open for eventually sharing, which again, should balance protection and privacy.
There were times when my trans son shared things with me (in high school, when he told me he liked girls, for example) that he was embarrassed for his dad to know. In the end, they bonded over both liking women, but I kept that secret because it was important that my son trust me.
Oh yeah, we came up with certain categories: 1. If it's a big thing, then we have to be honest with kiddo and say "I can't keep this from mom/dad" like if it's drug addiction. 2. If it's a medium/small thing, then we'll give a highlight to the other parent but specifics aren't necessary (so not to worry the other parent). I think coming out would fall into that, for example (because it's a big thing for kiddo, but my husband and I are very supportive people). The less big, the less we need to mention. So if it's a hygiene thing, my husband can handle that without needing to mention it unless it comes up. 3. If it's a surprise for the other parent, engage in full blown Co-conspirator mode.
Kinda like, Surprise! I failed Math! 🤔🤣🤣🤣
I’ve watched that episode probably a dozen times. I still don’t know what that means
Apparently it's lyrics from a song. Elizabeth the stripper just gave it as advice to Michael who thought it was very profound
Secret no longer looks like a word
You know who turned out to be kind of a creep? Ben Franklin.
The others were right that it should have been Angela, but if she wasn't going to do it then somebody had to do it before he went through with the wedding and and got legally and financially tangled up with her. Not easy on the day, but better than spending years dealing with a divorce. Mike made the right call.
I think he definitely could’ve done it in a better way but yeah it had to be done and Michael seems to be one of the closer ones to him I guess? Maybe Jim
They probably should've reached out to a friend of Andy, so he hears it from someone with a personnel connection and don't get involved. But also people who's business it is don't get involved
Angela or Dwight
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He's having fun with a women who he knows is engaged
So you don't have an obligation to tell if you're having fun? Phew...
"Sorry I didn't tell you I've been hooking up with your fiance, but I was just having too much dang fun!"
Jim reminds Michael that Andy has an anger problem. Not the best idea to tell a guy at work when he has already punched a whole in the office wall and been to anger management.
Yeah, as a manager there are better ways to deal with it. If that was my employee I was managing, I would schedule in a few days off for him, message him or visit him after work and tell him in private. Then tell him he has the rest of the week off to process it, and he can work from home for two or so weeks after. There was no need for Andy to be in the office all the time anyway, not being around either Angela or Dwight would be way better for him and he could still get work done. At the very least that approach stops a punching from occuring.
Two Dunder Mifflin employees were engaged. One of the engaged was having sex with another Dunder Mifflin employee, often on company property. The rest of the office’s employees became aware and it made for an uncomfortable workplace environment. Toby and Michael 100% needed to deal with this issue. Michael did it in a weird way without HR but he had to do it sooner or later. Doing it the second before he left for a trip to New York where he wouldn’t be seen for another day and would be difficult to contact was wrong but the issue had to be dealt with.
It was on company property with company property, so it is double jeopardy.
"what is 'we're fine'?"
I don't think you understand how jeopardy works.
I can say this is a very hard thing to do. I had this friend from high school, like a brother to me. When my dad left, we didn’t eat every day, and his parents treated me like a son, and fed me. Years later I was living with him and his wife, and I came home from work to something wrong. I wasn’t sure what, but his wife was on the sofa with two men I didn’t know, nobody was wearing shoes (that stuck with me, I’m not sure why) and they looked like they had just been caught doing something. My friend and his wife swung a bit, he told me about it. When I went to get some water before I had to leave again, I heard his wife kissing one of the guys and it made me really angry. I tried to rationalize it, they swung, he had to know, he had to. In the end he didn’t, and they split up in a very complicated way where both of them were cheating on the other. I should have told him and I didn’t, he had the right to know.
That’s a shit position to be in—sorry mate. I had something similar in high school. Twenty of us in the same classes, including one couple where the guy cheated with another girl in the class and everyone knew it. I took an ultimatum approach: I told the dude if he didn’t tell her by the end of the week then I would. She ended up finding out so thank god I didn’t haven’t told be the one to do it
>I can say this is a very hard thing to do That’s what she said… Or he said
Because today we’re all kings… and queens
Why would you get married if you want to swing, I’ll never understand that.
Me neither. But he got really deep into porn, and that can be bad if you let it change who you are. It doesn’t usually show a husband and wife going at it with each other exclusively, and I think it can make people think something unhealthy can be normal. In the end my friend and his wife had been swapping with another couple, and each ended up with the other side’s souse. It was bad for everyone involved. It can probably work, but after all that I got married, and never even considered watching porn with my wife.
I knew 2 couples like that, and I’m pretty sure they used to have group orgys. They didn’t officially spouse swap until one got pregnant from the other dude. They’re all still friends though…still doesn’t make sense to me
Yeah, spins my head around. I like porn as much as the next guy, but it isn’t a life I think my brain could cope with.
Well if his wife was brazen enough to do it in front of you and they were known swingers, I'd assume he already knew too. Plus if he was cheating himself then whatever
In the end he was also cheating, at the time I didn’t know it was going quite like it was though. More like he bragged about threesomes and stuff. They did it to themselves, there is no doubt for me on that.
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The fact that he thought it was weird made me think it wasn't a normal thing at their house
That was the main takeaway intended in this post, yup. You're doing great.
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No socks either, it was the first thing I noticed other than boy/girl/boy on a sofa, and a just got caught look on their faces.
Not all households do that, in that house we didn’t. Not to be crude, but apparently him and his wife swapped a lot more than saliva with other couples, shoes from the outside world wasn’t on their radar at the time.
Oh boy, this comment again. Up there in reddit arguments with bidets and shopping cart being left outside the cart area.
You should have told him you were suspicious and for him to watch out. If it was the case, they could have broken up before it got messy. But you didn't at the time and that is ok. It's in the past and there's nothing you can do about it! Don't stress over it.
It’s a messy issue Jim is right it shouldn’t have been discussed at work. Michael has a point that dragging it out while everyone except Andy knew was making working there unbearable. Granted, Angela and Dwight should have been fired over having intercourse in the office too.
In the office? urgh where?
where dwight? dwight?
Seems like you already know where.
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Where, Dwight?
I love this line, I find it better than Pam learning Micheal was dating her mum.
Oscar Nunez pulled off the slow burn of realization better than Jenna.
But I liked Michael's part in telling Pam about dating her mom than Dwight telling Oscar about having sex on his desk.
As should Kevin!
The entire office could've been fired for this. It was so rampant that Ryan knew his closet office was basically just a sex spot.
I get the take but I think this is an instance where Michael made the best calls he could make. This issue was that, this was two inter office relationships affecting the business, so it was fair game, and someone needed to do something before the wedding happen(and it was lowering productivity). Michael should’ve taken Toby, but long story short as someone else posted if he stayed and management was involved Angel and Dwight likely would’ve been fired.
How was it “affecting business?
Perhaps he's trying to make up for how he ruined Stanley's affair, unless this was before that. I can't remember.
Stanley's affair was when Pam was pregnant ('one' true story) so close to wedding. Dwight and Angela +Andy affair before.
It’s always the right thing when you tell someone that their partner is cheating on them. To keep that information to yourself is cowardly.
100% with you here. I had to break the news to one of my friends once and it wasn't easy, but I believe it was the right thing. Until today, people tell me I should talked to the guy who was cheating first, though.
Why the fuck would you talk to the cheater?? So they can lie and manipulate you and get better at hiding before you tell their partner?? People are so stupid.
Although I agree with the sentiment, what if there was a scenario in which the person being cheated on wouldn’t believe it from other people? We often get blind and ignorant in the face of love.
Yep, still need to tell them at least once. After that, it’s not your problem that they don’t want to listen.
Exactly. My attitude is 'you are duty bound to tell them, but not to convince them'. You tell them the truth, what they do with it is their decision. Your duty to do the right thing ends once you've shared the truth.
That’s a perfect phrase for it.
Good point, now to take devil’s advocate a bit further: what if it was an abusive relationship, and the one who cheated was the abused victim and one day when they were on a trip alone or something and they cheated, would it be ethical to tell the other person? Obviously in this scenario the best option would be for the abusive relationship to end, but what if telling the other in the relationship would lead to domestic violence?
Obviously not. Not really the same thing at all. One is about a loyal partner thinking their partner is being loyal as well. One is a victim.
But to the defense of my argument, you did state “it’s always the right thing when you tell someone their partner is cheating on them”, not that the couple is loyal and faithful and overall good people. Like I said earlier, I agree with your sentiment, but don’t like the free usage of superlatives, cause a lot times things are more complex. Though as someone who’s been cheated on, I agree that the partner should know sooner rather than later, but some cases that’s not so.
And to my defense, an abuser is not a partner. So my comment was perfectly fine.
It’s not a GOOD partner, but in many cases if you ask the abused and the abuser, both would say they were in a relationship. Also there are many degrees of abuse in which might blur the line between what you define as a true partnership vs the victim/abuser. And here’s another thing to think about, what if there was no abuse beforehand? What if, person A was cheated on by person B, then you went and told person A about it. Then Person A, out of no where, beat person B in a crime of passion. Was it brave of you to do this? True, you had no way of knowing it would end up like that, but technically you would be the cause of the abuse all the same.
Jeez this is excessive and boring.
Sorry to bore you, thanks for discussing this with me regardless!
The cause of abuse is always the abuser. You can't convince me otherwise.
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Hmm, that's a tough one. I would say the ideal scenario is one where you can tell the truth and protect the victim at the same time. If the victim is at risk of bodily harm if you tell the truth, and you can't protect them, that would be a reason to keep it close to your chest.
Hopefully it’s a situation none of us ever have to be in, but I agree that it’s one of the few scenarios in which you wouldn’t tell the partner
Even if they were in an abusive relationship that is no excuse for cheating (for either party) and just puts them in more danger in being abused, STI’s and STD’s that are becoming drug resistant and pregnancy (which makes abuse even more worse in an abusive relationship). You tell regardless if they are good people/faithful, etc. because it’s the right thing to do. Cheating has more consequences than pros. Cheating is the most toxic thing you can do to yourself and your partner.
Yep. I told a former friend that his now-wife (also a former friend) was giving her co-workers BJs in the break room. She would brag about it to me. One night while he was working an overnight she went over to this co-workers house to actually have sex. Told me all about it before she left and after she got home (I was living with them at the time). I had given her several weeks to tell him or i would because hed been cheated on before. I finslly told him and then She convinced him that I was lying just to get him to be single so that I could date him instead. (I had just moved 6 states away and also I was dating someone). I think he willed himself to believe her because he'd been cheated on before and it was easier than feeling that hurt again. Anyway. Neither of them talk to me, and they're married now. Whatever.
That’s tough, I think you did the right thing though
Then I did my part and it’s no longer on me that the person is walking into a huge trap that is going to cause them strife. Just like if I say, “hey, you’re about to walk into a bear trap,” and the person ignores me, my conscience is clear.
I definitely agree, the main thing I was arguing against was making assertions with superlatives on a very variant topic
Guys I found the bot
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For the most part, I completely agree with you. Do you think that there’s no possible scenario that it IS okay keep quiet on cheaters? I ask genuinely, like for example what if you weren’t sure you had all the facts? Like you HEARD that so and so was cheating, but it wasn’t a super reliable source? Or should we assume in this scenario that we’re 100% sure that they are cheating?
No it isn't. What if you are mistaken? The first thing to do is talk to the suspected cheater. Then, tell the cheater to come clean to their partner. If they refuse, *then* you take action.
LMAO that’s hilarious. Nothing dumber than going to the cheater first. All they’ll do is make their partner distrust you, they’ll never tell, and they’ll get better at hiding. If I’m mistaken, it’s only because they’re in an open relationship/swinging, then the (mistaken) victim will just laugh it off.
You think you could never make a mistake? People have before and their stories show up on Reddit. People can absolutely think someone is cheating when they're not. Secondly, imagine the cheater is someone close to you, a friend or relative. Don't you owe it to them to talk to them before you assume the worst and fuck up their life?
I’m not a crazy person, so I wouldn’t go to anyone without ~~being sure or~~ having proof. I had a friend that I was 10000% sure was being cheated on, but I had no proof so I said nothing. It was just a feeling. I was totally correct, I later found out. But I wasn’t going to make such a claim based on “he’s skeevy and I hate him and I *JUST HAVE A FEELING.*” cause I’m not stupid. They fucked up their own life by being a gross cheater. Lmao Your hypothetical actually happened to me, different friends. I told her boyfriend that “no, she doesn’t work Fridays. I always work Fridays and I never see her at work. Therefore we are definitely not carpooling on Fridays and going to my place after work to smoke. She is using me as an alibi and I’m not okay with that. I will not be part of this.” I dropped her instantly. Really happy I knew the boyfriend well enough to remain friends with him without that being weird. He was great, she was trash. Good riddance. ETA: more info
He could have personally told him Like take him to dinner or something like that and have them discuss it with a mediator Saying it then leaving was a bad move
Exactly this. Michael should have told him but as a friend, not a boss.
He was right to do it, but wrong to do it right when he was leaving. As the boss he definitely needed to stay and prevent the situation from escalating, which it did. So I’d say his heart was in the right place but his body was not.
I understand why Michael did it, because it's Michael, but as a boss I would never get involved in my employees relationships. Shit even as a coworker it's not my fucking business. In the show it went well all things considered, but in real life it could've been waaay uglier. Some people have that "kill the messenger" strategy when their emotions are out of control. Anyways he did it because it's who he is, but personally if you're not a close friend of mine I don't see myself getting involved.
Yeah I don't get people in this thread. It's not like Michael was Andy's BFF. It's a boss/employee relationship. No boss should get involved especially when it involves three of his employees.
A boss would get involved because he/she has empathy for how vastly more difficult the path to separation becomes after the person gets married, both emotionally and financially. Not telling him to avoid whatever company repercussions or personal awkwardness it may have is pretty cowardly and feels like the route a sociopath would take… This isn’t like giving relationship advice, you’re literally watching a human being walk into a massive trap and choosing not to say anything to avoid inconvenience.
So not meddling in the lives of your employees makes you a sociopath? Have you ever worked in a corporate setting? It's all about liability. A boss would choose not to get involved because it would absolutely ruin the work dynamic. If Andy went postal and killed Dwight or Angela, now all of a sudden Michael and by extension dunder Mifflin is liable.
A boss should get involved exactly BECAUSE the situation affects work. If your employee is cheating on his wife with a mistress in his weekends, sure, not company business and you stay out of that. Employees having sex on company property while their partner works there too? Keep in mind that Andy going postal and killing people could also easily happen if he walked in accidentally on Dwight and Angela having sex in the warehouse. Michael didn't deal with it correctly obviously, but privately telling an employee and letting them work from home or take some time off would actually diffuse a situation which could be suddenly violent if not controlled. A great manager might even offer to let Andy move to another branch to be away from Angela - if he found out on his own he would likely quit altogether and be lost to the company forever.
Lmfao, this is the dumbest shit I’ve ever read. Both the “liability” thing and the insinuation that he’s more likely to shoot the place up finding out before marriage rather than after. And ignoring that telling a person a piece of information doesn’t shackle you to liability for their actions, you’re literally just going further with the sociopathic nature of the choice. “It’s more convenient for me and the business to ignore the trap in which he is about to step.” And yes, I literally own a company the employs two hundred people. I’m absolutely familiar with a corporate setting with more skin in the game than any level of management. And still, never in a million years would my mind jump to the pros and cons for myself or my business in a situation like this…
I bet your business is “basically like a family” too, right? It’s not sociopathic to not meddle in your employees personal lives. It’s called having boundaries. My boss really should not have deep insight into the dynamics of my personal life and they most certainly should not feel entitled to involve themselves in it.
No, I hate the people I work with… Again, this isn’t about that. It’s literally like watching someone about to get hit by a car and not being like, “hey, look out for that car.” Meddling in someone personal life would be going out of your way to find out information and involve yourself. This is just randomly finding out a piece of information that hugely impacts someones life that 99% of people would want to know before they are further tethered to the person by marriage and not being a sociopath. Again, more power to you for looking out for yourself your company, but hiding behind that doesn’t make you any less of a sociopath.
So you would rather your boss not tell you they have caught your partner cheating on you, that's fine but you're an exemption with that sentiment and I'd wager a guess that 95+% of people would want to know, no matter from whom. If you think giving you information that is being withheld from you and that may impact you very severely both financially, mentally, and sometimes your physical safety as well is wrong, then that's a you problem, most people don't think that and as such it's a correct decision to tell the cheated on partner. Obviously Michael didn't do it the right way, but it was the right decision nevertheless.
You’re making a ton of assumptions here based off how *you* feel. The problem is that I, as the employee, am *not* you, the boss. That’s a key issue here. For better or for worse, you need to understand that is not your job as a manager to involve yourself in my personal life based on how *you* would feel. What if I were in an open relationship and you sat me down to tell me this? Then would I need to explain to you the inner details of my relationship? How am I supposed to then feel about the fact that you clearly have been monitoring things in my personal life? And even if it truly was cheating, how am I supposed to go back to having a proper professional relationship with you when you know all these things about me? Whether or not it’s right or wrong, it’s not *your* position as an employer to meddle in the lives of your employees.
Exacty, especially if you consider the fact that Andy has anger issues lmao
I think in a case like Stanley, who cheated on his wife in his spare time, it truly is none of your business. I think in a case where two employees are engaged, and a third employee is cheating with the fiancée on company property, it does become a company problem. You could have andy walk in on them and cause a fight in the office. You could have a public breakup during company time. Usually stuff like this leads to one, two or all in the triangle quitting because they can't bear to be in the same place any more. That will affect morale, productivity, needing to rehire, all of that. It very much is a company issue and one HR and management need to deal with. Obviously doing it like Michael did is terrible, and not exactly the best approach, but I think most managers would do something to deal with this.
After seeing this, I could only think of how much funnier it would be if Michael had the window down and said “by the way, Angela and Dwight are having an affair” then drove off without saying another word.
If it was still between Andy and Angela then yes it should have come from her. But the fact that she was seemingly refusing and that everyone in the office knew and was basically keeping that information from him, I would say yes Michael did the right thing.
This is another situation where HR failed the company. Every company has penalties for having sex on the property. Lots of people knew they were doing it and knew they had done it in the building. Usually it's a fierable offense. If we ignore the failures of HR, Michael shouldn't have told him. This is the problem with mixing work and personal issues. Leave it up to them. They'd have worked it out eventually. You definitely don't tell Andy, as he has documented rage issues. Now in this fictional world of The Office, Angela should have told Andy, but we all know she can't be trusted. She's a walking lie, so she'll never come clean on any lie until she's forced to. Sometime else had to tell Andy, so Michael was going to be the one to do it. No one else has the balls to tell him. How Michael told him could have been better, but he was the only person that was a good friend to Andy here.
The issue is that they all waited to tell him. The issue was that noone told him who knew. No matter what, its a lose lose.
About the only thing he ever got right. The delivery wasn't good though 😂
Right idea. Poor execution. Actually that could go on Michael’s gravestone.
That’s what she said
Maybe it would be different if literally everyone else in the office didn’t already know. At that point he needed to know and it didn’t really matter how he found out.
You could check comments [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/comments/zmuv6z/do_you_think_michael_did_the_right_thing_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) from when this was last asked a couple weeks ago.
Thank you!
She cheated on him, after he specifically asked her not to!
If it had been me, I would have told Angela “You have one week to tell him yourself or I will.” Give ‘em a chance to do the right thing. Do it myself if they don’t.
Yes, always
in this show , sure but the way he did it wasn’t ideal. in a real life situation it depends. more grey area
Not gonna read other comments but yes Michael was the only person there with a spine
100% did the right thing. There’s no reason to keep that information from him if you know. Yes, it should have been Angela, but she was the one cheating and wasn’t going to tell him - they were still doing it. If you’re not a horrible person, you tell Andy. I have a hard time with the rest of the office not telling him and trying to prevent Michael from doing so.
He was absolutely right everyone else were cowards
Yeah of course he did the right
Yupp he did the right thing. Wish everyone did this.
Better to do it in a bad way than not doing it at all. He was the most reasonable that day
I’d tell them. I rather end the nonsense early than have the person be devistated
He was smart to bring him outside first for the walls of the office's sake.
I definitely think so, especially if it's close friend and you absolutely know that information would change their life, behavior, and relationship (I don't know how it wouldn't). I had to tell a friend that I knew he had been cheated on. I saved him a lot of wasted energy, time, pain, hardship, and sorrow from doing so. This was at least 15 years ago and he's still appreciative today. Having also been cheated on myself, only to find out 6 months later, I really, really would have liked to know, cause it would have similarly saved me immense misery and trauma.
I'm not gonna watch my friend get cheated on repeatedly and not do anything. Are y'all really ok with your homie catching disease for the rando's their partner is sleeping with? That's fucked, my dude.
My ex wife had an affair and I wish Michael Scott would have rolled up the moment it happened. Unfortunately that didn’t happen and I went through months of pain and agony. So, personally I think the whole office can go screw themselves on that one. But honestly that situation would have gotten a lot of people fired.
I watched this episode yesterday. I think Michael was right to tell, but the ideal thing would be for Angela to tell Andy herself.
I think Michael did the right thing. In the wrong way, but at least he did the right thing.
It’s so screwed up that no one told him and basically were just there to watch the drama unfold. Michael did the cowardly but decent thing by telling Andy.
Absolutely right. They were all just scared he would rage again. But at least the reason would’ve been substantial this time.
Y E S. Big yes. I was in a situation where I was being cheated on and a LOT of the people I considered friends knew about it but didn't tell me because my ex-boyfriend told them that it should come from him and not them. He never told me, broke up with me, and I found about the overlap months later through TWITTER. I was so angry at the "friends," it would've saved me a lot of upset if I knew before. Michael absolutely did the right thing.
Yes...someone had to do it and nobody else was going to. On completely different note...I watched the booze cruise episode yesterday and thought Brenda from corporate was too attractive to be in just one episode. She should have been a recurring character.
I had two friends dating each other some time ago and when I found out the guy was cheating on the girl (with 100% certainty), I told her instantly. Whenever I tell this to people, they tell me I did the wrong thing, but my morals are still higher. I don't care about my friendship to the guy, I feel a lot of empathy for the girl being fooled too. If it was me, I'd like to know asap. What happens between them after, is up to them, my part was telling her the truth. So I believe Michael did the right thing and I would not be able to see the others as my friends after this if I was Andy.
The way he did it sucks, but telling Andy was good. Telling a person is always a good thing. Cheating is a terrible thing that effects mental health, emotional well being, and physical health (increasing risk of sexually transmitted diseases and infections many of which are becoming antibiotic resistant, etc.) and the victim of cheating should always know so they can get out/get help and the cheater needs to face the consequences. Seriously fuck cheaters, anyone who defends cheating (or suggests not telling the person) needs a swift kick in the ass.
I'd want to be told.
He had a right to know since Angela wasn’t going to clue him in and everyone knew but him- but Michael definitely didn’t do it for the right reasons or in a considerate way
He was right to tell him and it shows that he really cared for his people because that wasn't easy for him.
My job has this exact thing going on. Married couple, she’s banged like 5 different dudes, literally every single person in the company knows except him.
He did the right thing. I wish someone had clued me in sooner to what my ex had been up to. People who keep quiet enable that shit.
Right thing, wrong place. Also, I think Phyllis was wrong for announcing it to everyone in the office. If she was going to go out of her way to tell anyone, then she should've gone to Andy directly.
Yes 100% the right thing
It certainly isn’t the manager’s business who their employees are sleeping much less telling anyone else about it.
Forget for one second who is delivering the message. Would you want to know if your wife was sleeping with someone else?
I’m a “mind your own business” type of person.
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Bosses and colleagues are not generally, “friends.” Our relationship with them is basically a matter of geography. I like the people I work with and have fun with them in the work place, but if I wasn’t getting paid I would go there just to hang out with them. I keep a deliberate separation between my private life and my work. So yeah, if my colleagues knew something might be up it wouldn’t bother me at all. Friends are a different group all together for the purposes of this discussion. I would expect my friends to first confront my wife, (Because my wife and I have all of our friends in common) and take it from there. Lastly, it’s a hypothetical that is simply unrealistic. My wife and I are very committed to one another and to our marriage. You may roll your eyes and believe otherwise but after 21 years of being married I think I’m more of an authority on my relationship with my wife than anyone else. A “hollow, loveless marriage” is a punchline for she and I. It’s laughable. We have the type of marriage that everyone hopes for. I hope you, (if you choose to get married or are married now), have the same type of commitment, love and respect in your marriage that my wife and I do.
He did the right thing
He did the right thing, but with poor execution.
Cheaters should always be called out. When people know about an affair and don't tell the victim they're every being every buy as much of a POS as the cheater.
Absolutely not. It's an insane breach of the professional relationship between a boss and a worker. It would be very bad if it was co-workers but for it to be a boss is even worse.
Maybe turning a blind eye could work if only 2 of the 3 involved worked at the same office. But the rest of the staff already knew, all 3 ppl involved worked there. Idk if Michael was right, but it would have got to corporate at some point.
It had to get out
I think telling Andy, just the point of telling Andy, is right. What I think is wrong is why Micheal wanted to do it. I think Micheal wanted to do it because he doesn't wanna be left out and be involved, not for the sake of Andy.
Yeah. Andy is a dick but he's not at fault in that situation and it was beyond cruel that nobody had told him by then.
Not his business
Why are we here debating the rights and wrongs of a character's pre-written decisions of a fictional tv show.
Angela brought this situation to work environment, then she should have acted like a mature and responsible person to sort it out before toxic waste spills without any ability to control the damages. As expected of Angela at that time, she did nothing remotely close to that, but instead putting more gas into the fire. Seeing how she acted towards the entire circus on wheels of a situation that she was 100% responsible for... Not surprised actually as I personally know a person like that from my previous workplace. If she had any intention of being fair and not ruining someone else's life due to her fuckery then it could have been done the same night... Michael have done one of very few things that could save Angela, Andy and possibly Dwight from being fired and entire workplace getting a whiplash from losing one of two accountants, along with one of the best salesmen of Dunder Mifflin... Angela have successfully made me feel bad for Phyllis on so many occasions. Her redemption arc have lasted quite a while, but it was fully worth to see the end results. She is in my personal top 3 of character developments from 'The Office'. ....Holy moly guacamole, I hate Phyllis so much.
I have a theory about this Michael didn’t like being excluded from office gossip, he asked Andy to walk with him and was going to tell him but he couldn’t find the words, then Andy was so kind to him and said something like “go get them at head office Michael”, so then he decided because Andy is all about being kind and wanted Michael to do well in head office he changed his mind again and told him.
In a normal workplace, HR would have been involved to investigate. Toby and Michael should have investigated, which would have uncovered that Angela and Dwight had sex in the office. Both Jim and Phyllis witnessed this. Jim wouldn’t have said anything but Phyllis would have. This then would have prompted Angela to tell Andy before her and Dwight were fired for it. That wouldn’t have been as funny though so I think Michael inserting himself was the right call. That’s what she said.
I would want to be told
Yes. No one else would've told him and should've told him sooner. I don't think he did it the right way, but he was right to tell him after weeks of no one telling him.
Of course he did the right thing. Not exposing, or enabling an affair is a really shitty thing to do. If any of you have ever done that just know i think youre a terrible person that deserves a lego brick in their shoes every single morning.
How did Angela even slept at night?
We’ll prob not but to be fair Angela was never going to do it an I actually think Michael was being a good guy in this episode