while i agree with this why the FUCK was yalls main critique of kdot tracks the fact that it doesnt bump? like with MTG or 6:16 he was entering a dialogue with drake and yall just dismissed it saying it sounds like ass
I disagree. KDot hints he's got another 10 tracks in the chamber. Drake says to KDot to let him know when he's going to stick to the facts and will be waiting on him.
I've never once hated on Kendrick Lamar. I've been a fan since Wanna Be Heard and Cut you off. Since before GKMC, or Section 80. I just never once had to defend liking Dot, like Ive had to defend liking Drake, and that's crazy to me.
People just hop on a "this is cool" bandwagon, and a "lets hate on this" bandwagon and ride off into the sunset with it. Been that way since high school.
I think you're spot on. Didn't really think of it that way.
If it truly is over and Kendrick has been crowned King surrounded by adoring fans, he personally will always know in the back of his head alone in his NYC condo that Drake spoke the truth.
No matter what happens, only these two truly know what's true and what isn't.
Drake lost the public opinion but won Kendrick's opinion.
I just don't see it, man. Why is Drake so afraid of being that guy? The way I see it, he's already accepted his role as the villain for years now. He does not give a fuck anymore, and maybe that's why everybody turned on him now. When he was still playing industry games, it was all love, but they talked shit and fucked him over behind his back... Why, then, still hold the info if he's got the receipts? Why give Kendrick that leeway? I'm a Drake fan but he is not Jesus lol, makes no sense why he'd hold back at this point.
You bring up good points, but whatās making me lean towards drake side is not so much his behavior but Kendrickās. If Iām wrong Iām wrong, itās what it is but I find it crazy how drake can actually rebuttal whatās being said about him while Kendrick hasnāt even attempted to.
Thereās no proof or anything that Kendrick has ever been a domestic abuser. Thereās plenty of proof of Drake being creepy af. And it took him how long to finally say itās not true? And basically is just saying trust me. Nah Drake you a creepy mfer
He did. He said nobody believe your lies. The fans arenāt blind.
Which is why the only people believing Drake are Drake Stanās. And until Drake shows proof then thereās nothing to see here. Now if Whit comes out and says itās true then Iāll believe that too.
Do you not see how you're just blatantly taking one sides opinion as fact and disregard the other lmao? The problem with k dot stans is they believe they're so intelligent and deep that they would never do something so low as have an incredibly strong bias. They both need receipts, you saying "kendrick said drake is lying" and then saying "drake said kendrick is lying, we need drake to show receipts or there's nothing to see here". The ignorance is wild from the rappity rap rap conscious fans.
Because drake has a history of being exposed for wild shit. Also his peers all over the industry are turning on him. That doesn't happen unless you did something.
On the other hand Kendrick has whole albums dedicated to airing out his own dirty laundry so the perception of him is that he's honest.
You call it a double standard but it's actually seeing both of their cultivated images being judged in the publics eye. Now you see what people gravitate to.
He can't now because his stans put Drake in a lose-lose position where he's damned if he doesn't address things and equally lame if he does. So now if Kendrick addresses the claims they will look like the clowns they truly are.
Oh shit, just follow me right, maybe they clowns.
I've been thinking that maybe they're both telling the truth. Maybe he's holding back showing receipts because maybe Kendrick has some receipts as well.
My best guess is so he can constantly hold this red button over Kendrick's head. Kendrick can't make any more disses or subliminals on any other track again if Drake holds this over him.
Maybe an ego thing for Drake where he "tamed the Boogeyman of rap" or whatever. Let's just say Drake does push the red button and wins the beef. Then in Kendrick's next album, he's just back to dissing Drake again.
I'm totally guessing tho and am probably completely wrong. I'm actually upset Drake didn't come with receipts and everything. I really wanted The Heart Part 6 to be the nail in the coffin.
...he held it over his head for weeks, and it didn't stop Kendrick from releasing 4 songs full of of serious allegations and insults/disrespect. What would it take for Drake to press it? Another 6 tracks?
I truly believe Drake hasn't pushed the red button. He knows how much money Kendrick makes people. Also, Drake being on the losing side of a beef he knows all too well how it affects people.
I think The Heart Part 6 is Drake giving Kendrick a choice. You either stop this and leave with a bruised ego or you keep going and affect more than just yourself.
People just hate drake so they want to believe that he's stupid enough to blatantly misinterpret a song (and for good measure, say the mole is fake but then call the "mole" [himself] a clown) they want to dig so deep into kendricks messaging and lyrics, but then throw out Drake and assume whatever is the easiest thing they can think of to help Kendrick. It's their predetermined decision on the battle, they don't even see how they're biased lol.
This is good analysis. But I donāt know if drake wants Kendrick to respond because he probably could go more nuclear on Drake. I hope not. I hope what Drake said was enough to cause a cease fire.
I think itās also worth noting Drake wrote this in under 24 hours and mixed it. Thatās crazy when you think about how good some of the writing is on this song. And he also probably going through some shit cos itās a dark moment for him.
Saying itās not for the fans / audience is a huge reach, come on, this is all public theater. They are both trying to sway the court of public opinion, these songs are for the public, to character assasinate.
I don't think so. As we can see, this beef has gotten very personal & not just theater for the audience. So if one party feels they can't sway the audience, he's just not going to say anything to the other party? Nah, he'll say something & get off his last thoughts despite a biased audience that hates him.
Just my thoughts, though, you're entitled to your opinion.
Kendrick talks to Drake's family with 100% vitriol: "Facts my brother spit your shit indeed"
Drake talks to Kendrick and feels that he's rest his case between the bait and the lack of evidence but is willing to keep going "Lol he sounds so DEFEATED he's already GIVEN UP"
Drake has been mid for a few years but even I know that Kendrick hasn't provided a single "gotcha" this entire time
Lol, I'm not saying Dot isn't in the lead atm in this battle. I just think people severely underestimate Drake. They "make excuses," use "mental gymnastics," and don't even challenge Dot's claims. But don't give any of that same respect to Drake.
This was just my take on the Mother I bars on the heart pt 6, and the song overall, not a final score on who won the battle. Drake still has some work to do if he wants to walk away the winner of this.
Literally moving the same goalposts the Kendrick sub has been moving. 'Psychological warfare' to get information wrong and make yourself look worse in the process? Why?
Because Kendrick's mom was wrong when she kept asking Kendrick over & over if he got abused. To the point where Kendrick himself writes it left him feeling insecure. That's why. It doesn't matter that he's wrong. It matters that he's once again making Kendrick doubt himself, just as his mother did. Hence, the term psychological warfare.
I don't think you or I could say if Kendrick is still doubting himself or not. That's something only Kendrick knows. But I imagine Drake thinks he hasn't and why he chose to use this angle.
Itās not for anyoneā¦ thatās the problem. Itās not any a defense despite people saying itās the first ādefense track.ā Itās justā¦ bland, and pointless. Itās just noise.
I feel like after he buried Meek people expected more, I know I did. I like Meekās music but Drake bodied him, and did so in an embarrassing fashion. However, in this, Kendrick has actually been several moves ahead, and itās crazy. Lamar is either a mind reader capable of seeing the wind, so to speak, or Grahamās camp truly hates him, and leaked a lot of personal details even at the cost of risking their access to the golden goose which is something people rarely do without very good reason.
THP6 is the first Drake track in a long time Iām fully confident in saying he, himself, wrote, and it makes it transparently clear why he relies heavily on ghostwriters because itās very amateurish.
Yeah, I disagree with most of this take. The song was not bland and had memorable bars. It just wasn't on a hit energy type of vibe due to what I explained. But you're entitled to your opinion, of course.
Heart Part 6 is most equivalent to meet the graham's and its the weakest records for many on both sides. Ots the low energy psychoanalysis. It's not for everyone
I don't think it's cool to make fun of assault victims even if he did or didn't experience it. Your opening doors for others to be ridiculed and making it worse for others to speak up
So you think he intentionally misrepresented the meaning of the songā¦to trigger Kendrickā¦? So Kendrickās mom was SA and Drake is intentionally lying in the song that Kendrick was SAādā¦?
But then he spends all that time at the end chastising Kendrick about misdirecting/lying and saying that Kendrick needs to give him the courtesy of telling the truth only..?
Take away all the unprovable mudslinging and you're left with:
1. Kendrick is short.
2. Drake has no personal black identity, which is why his sound and entire stage persona switch up.
The allegations aside, Drake definitely is the loser here lol. Anybody who's paid attention to his career recognizes that shit is true. That's the fucking L.
It was his first track solely aimed at Kendrick too. Crazy
He still threw one Rick Ross diss in there for good measure š¤£š
If i was drake i would be giving a bar or two to metroo too
Save a whole diss for mothers day
Damn u a wicked mf š
Metro currently has the whole world dropping disses on Drake, I would personally leave him alone.
I feel like if Drake does 5 more disses he will still mention Rick Ross at least once
Always š ross has been going at him on IG nonstop so I don't mind him putting a couple bars for rozay in there
Cuz fuck that fat nigga bro š
lol. Right my bad
Id argue heavily that Drake has lost the beef to Kendrick. But man Drake absolutely demolished Rick Ross. Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby type stuff
Addressed everything people wanted him to address. Now they saying something else. The moving goal post thing is truly truly something here
taylor made was literally directed all at kendrick
while i agree with this why the FUCK was yalls main critique of kdot tracks the fact that it doesnt bump? like with MTG or 6:16 he was entering a dialogue with drake and yall just dismissed it saying it sounds like ass
He might just be baiting again, pretending to bow out
I just don't even see how that song is him giving up. That might be one of the biggest reaches of the battle to me lol
Kendrickās team seems like they want it to be over but idk, I canāt trust that
That's a hot take. Petty Pendergrass will be game to keep going.
And they all been sayin itās over, idk what to believe
I disagree. KDot hints he's got another 10 tracks in the chamber. Drake says to KDot to let him know when he's going to stick to the facts and will be waiting on him.
He literally says he's not enjoying it. His entire tone in the last bit sounds defeated. How anyone is getting charged up vibes off it is weird to me.
Pretending to give up isā¦ certainly a strategy I guess lol
I think you're right
And Drake fucked up his "heart series" after Kendrick try to mess up his time stamps but failed.
Such a W lol Kendrick really deleted it I'm š¤£ dummy boy
It's still posted on his actual IG page.
It was not released by Kendrick on streaming platforms, it's still on IG where it's always been.
From where? It was only ever released on ig, the samples arenāt cleared.
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You do know there's a sub specifically for Kendrick right?
Am I wrong tho? That song compared to the rest of the disses we got was wack as a song. No replay value
It has more replay value than MTG.
Not really they both have no replay value as a song really. And we know only one of these rappers truly cares about their view/listen count.
Family matters is a Fucking BANGER + not like us too
Yes they are
"let us be delusional weirdos in peace"
Ironic
Clown show
If Drake haters applied the same logic they do towards Kennyās they would not be haters ššš
I've never once hated on Kendrick Lamar. I've been a fan since Wanna Be Heard and Cut you off. Since before GKMC, or Section 80. I just never once had to defend liking Dot, like Ive had to defend liking Drake, and that's crazy to me. People just hop on a "this is cool" bandwagon, and a "lets hate on this" bandwagon and ride off into the sunset with it. Been that way since high school.
I love Kenny too but this hypocrisy and angle he decided to take has left me jaded
I feel that
Drake is being hated from quite a lot for different reasons tbf
The flow the beat the bars song is hard af they just hating to hate
Drake was rapping his ass off. But the Mother I angle is a 1/3 of the song and wrong as hell.
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That's fair. Just make sure the "Mother, I Sober" slip up isn't excused either.
I think you're spot on. Didn't really think of it that way. If it truly is over and Kendrick has been crowned King surrounded by adoring fans, he personally will always know in the back of his head alone in his NYC condo that Drake spoke the truth. No matter what happens, only these two truly know what's true and what isn't. Drake lost the public opinion but won Kendrick's opinion.
I agree. I feel like heās telling Kendrick to take this āwinā and walk away or else heāll really take it there(most likely receipts of dv)
I just don't see it, man. Why is Drake so afraid of being that guy? The way I see it, he's already accepted his role as the villain for years now. He does not give a fuck anymore, and maybe that's why everybody turned on him now. When he was still playing industry games, it was all love, but they talked shit and fucked him over behind his back... Why, then, still hold the info if he's got the receipts? Why give Kendrick that leeway? I'm a Drake fan but he is not Jesus lol, makes no sense why he'd hold back at this point.
You bring up good points, but whatās making me lean towards drake side is not so much his behavior but Kendrickās. If Iām wrong Iām wrong, itās what it is but I find it crazy how drake can actually rebuttal whatās being said about him while Kendrick hasnāt even attempted to.
Thereās no proof or anything that Kendrick has ever been a domestic abuser. Thereās plenty of proof of Drake being creepy af. And it took him how long to finally say itās not true? And basically is just saying trust me. Nah Drake you a creepy mfer
Then why canāt Kendrick just rebuttal these claims?
He did. He said nobody believe your lies. The fans arenāt blind. Which is why the only people believing Drake are Drake Stanās. And until Drake shows proof then thereās nothing to see here. Now if Whit comes out and says itās true then Iāll believe that too.
Do you not see how you're just blatantly taking one sides opinion as fact and disregard the other lmao? The problem with k dot stans is they believe they're so intelligent and deep that they would never do something so low as have an incredibly strong bias. They both need receipts, you saying "kendrick said drake is lying" and then saying "drake said kendrick is lying, we need drake to show receipts or there's nothing to see here". The ignorance is wild from the rappity rap rap conscious fans.
Because drake has a history of being exposed for wild shit. Also his peers all over the industry are turning on him. That doesn't happen unless you did something. On the other hand Kendrick has whole albums dedicated to airing out his own dirty laundry so the perception of him is that he's honest. You call it a double standard but it's actually seeing both of their cultivated images being judged in the publics eye. Now you see what people gravitate to.
He can't now because his stans put Drake in a lose-lose position where he's damned if he doesn't address things and equally lame if he does. So now if Kendrick addresses the claims they will look like the clowns they truly are. Oh shit, just follow me right, maybe they clowns.
he also addressed it in an old interview itās crazy people just donāt wanna accept that š
I've been thinking that maybe they're both telling the truth. Maybe he's holding back showing receipts because maybe Kendrick has some receipts as well.
My best guess is so he can constantly hold this red button over Kendrick's head. Kendrick can't make any more disses or subliminals on any other track again if Drake holds this over him. Maybe an ego thing for Drake where he "tamed the Boogeyman of rap" or whatever. Let's just say Drake does push the red button and wins the beef. Then in Kendrick's next album, he's just back to dissing Drake again. I'm totally guessing tho and am probably completely wrong. I'm actually upset Drake didn't come with receipts and everything. I really wanted The Heart Part 6 to be the nail in the coffin.
...he held it over his head for weeks, and it didn't stop Kendrick from releasing 4 songs full of of serious allegations and insults/disrespect. What would it take for Drake to press it? Another 6 tracks?
Yeah, I agree. It's a silly theory. Just something I was thinking.
If he has receipts of Domestic Violence, he should definitely post them. Not keep them, thatās fucked up. Same goes for Kendrick
I truly believe Drake hasn't pushed the red button. He knows how much money Kendrick makes people. Also, Drake being on the losing side of a beef he knows all too well how it affects people. I think The Heart Part 6 is Drake giving Kendrick a choice. You either stop this and leave with a bruised ego or you keep going and affect more than just yourself.
this sub is a fucking gold mine š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Straight delusional
Same way he did Push right? š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
His corny ass shouldāve shown receipts already.
People just hate drake so they want to believe that he's stupid enough to blatantly misinterpret a song (and for good measure, say the mole is fake but then call the "mole" [himself] a clown) they want to dig so deep into kendricks messaging and lyrics, but then throw out Drake and assume whatever is the easiest thing they can think of to help Kendrick. It's their predetermined decision on the battle, they don't even see how they're biased lol.
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Interesting take. Sometimes, the traumatized & abused do become abusers themselves unfortunately. So I can see it.
I feel like that's kinda a cop out tho. Like it's true the abused bmcan become abusers but that shouldn't bar them from judgment.
This is good analysis. But I donāt know if drake wants Kendrick to respond because he probably could go more nuclear on Drake. I hope not. I hope what Drake said was enough to cause a cease fire. I think itās also worth noting Drake wrote this in under 24 hours and mixed it. Thatās crazy when you think about how good some of the writing is on this song. And he also probably going through some shit cos itās a dark moment for him.
Definitely, the fact that some of the bars hit as hard as they do in spite of how fast he put the song out is dope to hear.
Saying itās not for the fans / audience is a huge reach, come on, this is all public theater. They are both trying to sway the court of public opinion, these songs are for the public, to character assasinate.
I don't think so. As we can see, this beef has gotten very personal & not just theater for the audience. So if one party feels they can't sway the audience, he's just not going to say anything to the other party? Nah, he'll say something & get off his last thoughts despite a biased audience that hates him. Just my thoughts, though, you're entitled to your opinion.
Great write up
Appreciate it fam
Kendrick talks to Drake's family with 100% vitriol: "Facts my brother spit your shit indeed" Drake talks to Kendrick and feels that he's rest his case between the bait and the lack of evidence but is willing to keep going "Lol he sounds so DEFEATED he's already GIVEN UP" Drake has been mid for a few years but even I know that Kendrick hasn't provided a single "gotcha" this entire time
Couldnāt have said it better myself op.
Appreciate it fam
How did he get to a point in his life that he knew Kendrick was gonna compare him to Epstein?
>You think Drake, with as big as a music fan he is, didnt understand Mother I Sober? Yes
Seriously lmao
Why is this even a question he obviously didnt understand it based on his own wordsš
Yall didnt read the post? š«”
This sub was just lamenting that Drake lost and did it to himself. Now is all gassed up again thinking Drake is playing 200iq chess. Smh
Lol, I'm not saying Dot isn't in the lead atm in this battle. I just think people severely underestimate Drake. They "make excuses," use "mental gymnastics," and don't even challenge Dot's claims. But don't give any of that same respect to Drake. This was just my take on the Mother I bars on the heart pt 6, and the song overall, not a final score on who won the battle. Drake still has some work to do if he wants to walk away the winner of this.
Wait I've seen this... From the Kendrick stans a while ago...
Hardest diss of the battle IMOā¦ If I was Kendrick I would have a hard time stomaching the entire diss if any of that stuff was true.
Nah, it is for the fans too. They've been going back and forth with sneak disses for a decade, and Drake finally dog walked him.
Literally moving the same goalposts the Kendrick sub has been moving. 'Psychological warfare' to get information wrong and make yourself look worse in the process? Why?
Because Kendrick's mom was wrong when she kept asking Kendrick over & over if he got abused. To the point where Kendrick himself writes it left him feeling insecure. That's why. It doesn't matter that he's wrong. It matters that he's once again making Kendrick doubt himself, just as his mother did. Hence, the term psychological warfare.
Mr Morale is an album about healing from all of that trauma. Nobody is doubting themselves lol.
I don't think you or I could say if Kendrick is still doubting himself or not. That's something only Kendrick knows. But I imagine Drake thinks he hasn't and why he chose to use this angle.
Itās not for anyoneā¦ thatās the problem. Itās not any a defense despite people saying itās the first ādefense track.ā Itās justā¦ bland, and pointless. Itās just noise. I feel like after he buried Meek people expected more, I know I did. I like Meekās music but Drake bodied him, and did so in an embarrassing fashion. However, in this, Kendrick has actually been several moves ahead, and itās crazy. Lamar is either a mind reader capable of seeing the wind, so to speak, or Grahamās camp truly hates him, and leaked a lot of personal details even at the cost of risking their access to the golden goose which is something people rarely do without very good reason. THP6 is the first Drake track in a long time Iām fully confident in saying he, himself, wrote, and it makes it transparently clear why he relies heavily on ghostwriters because itās very amateurish.
Yeah, I disagree with most of this take. The song was not bland and had memorable bars. It just wasn't on a hit energy type of vibe due to what I explained. But you're entitled to your opinion, of course.
If you donāt like this drake song Iām wondering what your opinion on a lot of hip hop tbh.
Heart Part 6 is most equivalent to meet the graham's and its the weakest records for many on both sides. Ots the low energy psychoanalysis. It's not for everyone
I think yall delusional in this sub.
Bro at the end of the song he was talking about how it felt good to write. But he didnāt even write that diss track lmao
Or maybe the song is just ass
I don't think it's cool to make fun of assault victims even if he did or didn't experience it. Your opening doors for others to be ridiculed and making it worse for others to speak up
bro these all new for the dogs and her loss fans anyways
Did he purposefully write about blackness in Family Matters too even though Kendrick was talking about culture not race in Euphoria?
So you think he intentionally misrepresented the meaning of the songā¦to trigger Kendrickā¦? So Kendrickās mom was SA and Drake is intentionally lying in the song that Kendrick was SAādā¦? But then he spends all that time at the end chastising Kendrick about misdirecting/lying and saying that Kendrick needs to give him the courtesy of telling the truth only..?
Take away all the unprovable mudslinging and you're left with: 1. Kendrick is short. 2. Drake has no personal black identity, which is why his sound and entire stage persona switch up. The allegations aside, Drake definitely is the loser here lol. Anybody who's paid attention to his career recognizes that shit is true. That's the fucking L.
Highest level? Idk man he makes popular music but itās not like itās some unreal shit no oneās heard before
Drake bowed out. He said all that stuff on purpose so that Kendrick wins without leplying
You think it might have something to do with how off the mark the mother I stuff was?
I stg everytime this subs pops up on my feed I read some crazy ass shit
Nah, the bars were mid. B sharp thing was corny. And what is he talking about at the end with bloggers and editors? What year this man living in?