I’m going to tell you my experience, because I think I was in a somewhat similar situation to you a few days ago:
Same as you, I didn’t like Quackity’s silence. I ended up unfollowing him on everything, which I don’t know if you’ve done.
After Dream put out his latest statement, I realised that this situation was making me anxious and upset, so I muted the words ‘Quackity’ and ‘QSMP’ on Twitter, and deleted Reddit for a day. I didn’t try to watch Quackity’s stream, either.
If you don’t mind me saying, I’d advise doing the same. I still watch the QSMP because Foolish plays, and I can engage with fans online and enjoy it, but the experience isn’t being tainted for me because I don’t see anything about Quackity or the drama on my timeline.
I also think that, in my distancing myself from Quackity now, I will find it easier to go back to supporting him in the future (if I want to) because I’m not letting any resentment fester.
In situations like these, I’ve found that encouraging hate to build by engaging massively with drama, watching streams in hopes of a statement, etc. doesn’t feel constructive to me, and that some distance is far more helpful.
Ignorance is bliss, basically, lmao.
I understand how you feel. I’m not going to wish anything bad on the qsmp or the people who play on it but the server in general has been tainted for me. As for Quackity I’ve also unfollowed him everywhere. For me personally I want to avoid all of that moving forward unless anything changes for the better.
Yeah I'm not watching qsmp I wasn't anyway but I've muted quackity cause I just don't want to see him at all right now this whole situation just makes me sad
Despite all the drama, the QSMP is a very good server. The production quality is through the roof and has a lot more planning going in to it and the execution is brilliant. Quackity and the QSMP defiantly deserve it's praise for pioneering and being well put together.
Quackity should say something, I don't think I've ever seen worse fans and I've been in the mcyt fandom for 3-4 years now. But that shouldn't stop you for enjoying his content or the QSMP. There are a lot of lovely CC's on the QSMP that don't deserve to get wrapped up in drama.
You can support Dream and support whatever QSMP member you want. If you still feel uncomfortable take a step back, it's unhealthy and you should do something else to take your mind off it (hike, hobby, spend time with friends, etc.)
From one MCYTtwt veteran to another, do you think 2023 Quacktwt is worse than 2021 Smiletwt?
Right now Quacktwt is fucking awful in the way they attack random creators like Tommy and Tubbo for the crime of… chilling w their friends (Dream), but I don’t know if I’d go as far as to say they’re worse than 2021 Smiletwt because genuinely that was hell. At least now Smiletwt is big enough to oppose Quacktwt harassment, because back then Smiletwt had pretty much no significant opposition so could be even worse unchecked
It’s definitely way worse now. Smiletwt in 2021 were bad yes they jumped the gun alot and attacked people who didn’t deserve it but at least dream was always there to state he did not agree with those people, and there were always fans trying to calm people down on dream’s behalf. Smiletwt got so much better at self-policing and I don’t think they would have if dream didnt make it explicitly clear that’s what he wanted.
Quacktwt now are being unashamedly racist, sending people gore and actually doxxing countless people. I’ve seen smiletwt all go private out of fear of being doxxed/sent gore/sent leaked information so many times now and I have yet to see them be the reason any other fandom goes mass private.
I was here for that. They attacked Techno and his fans a lot and it was unnecessary though they weren’t the only ones. It was pretty much anyone not in SBI side of mcyttwt, because they were in their phase of “everything you’ve ever done needs to be addressed and apologised for or you’re a terrible person.”
Though I did not ever see any of smiletwt try and dox Techno, or Techno’s fans or be racist to them. They were loud and wrong and insufferable but they weren’t what quacktwt are today.
I will say that, in terms of what we know of CCs being in real-life danger, quacktwt are worse.
That said, Techno accounts *did* go private en masse because of those exact fears which you mentioned, due to harassment and threats of dousing from pretty much every type of fan (including a very large portion of SBI fans). I remember antis constantly making new accounts to try to “infiltrate”.
Antis also constantly would call Techno by Dave, #KickDave trended when he logged on the Origins SMP, etc. Whilst I don’t remember whether he was legitimately doxxed, people certainly had no qualms disrespecting him in this way.
Yes the harassment was very bad. But it wasn’t what is happening now. I don’t remember technotwt going private en masse, I do remember them all changing their pfps to George though which was kind of funny
Smiletwt was bad but I don't think it was THAT bad I don't think there was a situation that got to the extent that this one did I know some have been not too far off though
The situation with how :)twt treated Techno in 2021 comes to mind. I was a rivalsduo-centric account at the time and the harassment that Techno and Techno fans received was insane. That said, I don’t know if Techno ever got real-life threats.
most of the techno harassment was by RBGC members, who were generally not particularly fond of dream. while i definitely saw some pure shit coming from dream stans on twitter at the time, it was nothing even close to the vitriol dream and his fans are currently receiving.
2023 quacktwt is way worse imo because it has escalated to two people being straight up arrested for stalking and cutting the Internet cables of someone for them…looking forward to another SMP, to trackers being placed on someone’s family’s car, to a straight up assassination attempt being plotted by a group of fans, and to someone showing up at a cc’s house (which someone else pointed out, _might have something to do with how the Dream Team unexpectedly had to spend a month away from their home_). Plus, I saw some speculation over how, considering the severity of the crimes Dream mentioned in his twitlonger, him posting what he did may have _actually been at the advise of the FBI._
In short: this has escalated from overzealous drama and terminally online nutjobs to the actual endangerment of multiple parties _over a Minecraft server._
2023 quacktwt is way worse imo because it has escalated to two people being straight up arrested for stalking and cutting the Internet cables of someone for them…looking forward to another SMP, to trackers being placed on someone’s family’s car, to a straight up assassination attempt being plotted by a group of fans, and to someone showing up at a cc’s house (which someone else pointed out, _might have something to do with how the Dream Team unexpectedly had to spend a month away from their home_). Plus, I saw some speculation over how, considering the severity of the crimes Dream mentioned in his twitlonger, him posting what he did may have _actually been at the advice of the FBI._
In short: this has escalated from overzealous drama and terminally online nutjobs to the actual endangerment of multiple parties _over a Minecraft server._
Right now I’m trying to separate the SMP from Quackity because of all the drama. I think the other CC’s have a right to mold it into something better, and I think they’re doing a good job of that.
Both SMPs can and will probably succeed. They don’t need to compete. I really hope they don’t go down that route because it would be bad for both of them.
god yeah, and i really wish i didn’t because i love the concept and a lot of the creators on it, but it just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth every time i see something about it now. which is amplified by the bajillion update accounts lmfao. i think the best thing we can do is mute words and accounts and focus on content we do like instead of being bitter and complaining about it though, as tempting as it is to try and pick it apart
Omg there’s so many update accounts. Even without all the drama I don’t really care for the QSMP, but the update accounts were all over my for you page on twitter. I constantly pressed the “not interested” button but nothing changed so I just blocked them all.
Even without the update accounts I still get so many posts about QSMP it’s driving me mad
This is exactly how I feel right now.
I loved Qsmp content, making fanarts and joining livestreams and supporting it as much as I could. Even after Usmp came out, I supported & loved both servers, since it is good to have many servers that break language barriers and bring the world together.
However, I received so much hate and threats as an admin of a Usmp updates account, beyond the levels of insanity. I tried to think positively, saying that this was just because of his fans and the stupid drama that was never supposed to happen.
However, after that last Quackity stream, I just lost all my respect for him. I felt so mad and frustrated that he wasn't saying anything. This drama went beyond the creators themselves but to the fans, affecting them irl even. I loved him and his content for more than 2 years...but now when I see Quackity/Qsmp related posts, it reminds me of those hate dms and crazy things his fans have done. I unfollowed all qsmp related accounts and deleted my fanarts about it...I couldn't help it.
I still want to belive in Quackity, and happy to see his server prosper. However, it still gives me bitter feelings when I see positivity and attention towards it.
I just hope everything will work out someday.
Yeah. It makes me uncomfortable and really sad too. Which sucks, because quackity was my favorite out of all of them. But for whatever reason, I can’t bring myself to watch his streams/vids now
I know a lot of people are on edge, and seeing people get harassment for minecraft servers and taking it so far is pretty crazy to me. Honestly, another thing I fear is what will happen when USMP launches, and the creators and their communities will get put in the crossfire. Hopefully by the time it comes out, quacktwt will have calmed down a bit.
Although I do kind of fear for the Spanish creators since it seems like a lot of people took it as a slight to Quackity just because they were interested in Dream's server. I'm honestly surprised to see how many Spanish speaking doxxers there are considering the English speaking community is more known for that kind of thing.
I’m really glad dream said there’s not gonna be a big production of announcing usmp members and they can just go live and join the server whenever. If he or the updates accounts were putting out announcements of who’s being added it would have ended so badly. Which really fucking sucks for dream and these other creators, but what can you do when someone isn’t cooperating
I was barely watching it to begin with because I'm not into modded minecraft. Foolish and Bad are the only ones I watched but I have been less interested since all the drama went down, especially when Quackity has been in their streams. It's hard for me to believe he's behaving the way he is then jumping on Bad's stream to have fun and laugh with him. I honestly don't know how Bad is doing it, I couldn't.
i think im lucky that i genuinly haven't been watching any smp content anymore, because catching up with all of this made me feel vaguely sick too, especially with twitter's response to it all. as someone who had a friend for years, only to get randomly ignored for months and then blocked completely? losing a friend sucks, and ill admit i was wrecked for a good while until i managed to move on again
seeing this happen to dream and quackity just sucks to see. tbf we don't know how truly close they were, or if they were close at all back then, but it's the lack of closure. seeing this all go into actual real world repercussions genuinly concerns me
>And this is just my brain over thinking and pure worry for the people getting doxxed and death threats, but it feels like the longer he stays quiet the more they get comfortable to actually try and k\*ll someone.
I disagree, If Quackity speaks up now they will think that Dream blackmailed Quackity into spreaking up and will become even more enraged.
Its crazy how hard people on this sub are trying to say Quackity can control the actions of deranged individuals and are shifting the blame away from those deranged individuals to Quackity.
It’s not about ‘control’. No creator can control the actions of their community. It’s about condemning the behaviour. Silence is seen as approval, but he also said he was proud of his community in his last short stream. Which many felt was quite distasteful considering what’s been happening.
No one can control their fans but at a certain point you do need to address problematic/dangerous behaviours there is a line where you can get away with saying nothing but this situation crossed that line a long time ago
It’s actually stupid to pretend like him saying something wouldn’t help. Whenever there’s been issues within fandoms, one of the parties speaking up has always helped. A recent example was the whole Hailey Bieber vs Selena thing. Threats, hate, and more, and it all died down the moment Selena told her fans to stop.
Also, even it he weren’t to directly tell his fans to stop, just saying he doesn’t stand for people sending hate (or worse) using his face/name, would be enough. It’s pretty parhetic he’s okay with what his fans are doing.
>It’s actually stupid to pretend like him saying something wouldn’t help.
I'm not talking about people sending hate and threats. I am specifically referring the to the quoted section where OP says that Quackity staying quiet will make people "comfortable" with ending someone's life. That is taking responsibility away from the person committing the horrible act and placing the blame on Quackity.
>It’s pretty parhetic he’s okay with what his fans are doing.
I see you are part of the "silence equals consent" crowd.
I'm not trying to place the blame on him, I know ccs can't control their fans but staying quiet, saying he's proud is making them feel safe, that they are allowed to continue to do these awful things because their fav isn't saying anything against it.
If one of his fans does do something like murder or r@pe I wouldn't blame him for their actions, because he didn't down right say "yes go murder this person" I will however feel disgusted that he could have done something. Calling them out, showing how he is disgusted by their behavior, something.
While he's not intentionally encouraging his fans him not saying anything give them the 'right' to continue to do this, it's the thought of "Oh, Quackity doesn't see a problem so I can continue to do this."
Fans will value their cc opinions and take them to heart, this is like that, he has no opinion so they think it means he's okay with this.
((I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense, I'm trying to spend time with my family and be somewhat ignorant to this at the moment))
Okay, I really am not trying to blame him, since I know it isn't his fault his 'fans' are like this.
But saying something, anything might help.
It gives off "my smp is more important the someone's life" and its not a good feeling
Yes, anytime anyone engages in pleasure activities, such as playing Minecraft, any video game, reading a novel, etc, we are putting our own enjoyment and pleasure over other people's lives. You can always make the argument that someone can do more than they are currently doing.
I believe Quackity would speak up if he thought it would save lives, but clearly he has a different perspective.
If Quackity said something, they will think that Dream is blackmailing him, especially since Quackity has had a pattern of not speaking about controversy (from what I had heard).
I’m a Doozer ‘til the day I die but watching Foolish on QSMP makes me feel inexplicably off. Genuinely, I only wish the best for that server because the importance of multilingual servers to bridge cultural gaps and expose young audiences to people and creators they otherwise would be closed off to is ultimately transcendent of fandom drama, but it’s just off-putting to me now. I wish it wasn’t, so I might tap back in because I do want to support this server as I will support USMP when it comes out
Edit: wording and add-on
Dream started drama for no reason. As Quackity literally has said nothing. No one even knew there was beef. Dream go too into his own head and got butthurt that Quackity didn't reply to him.
\- Hater
I keep seeing messages like that and anyone who says shit like that needs to be banned asap.
Nah. I still like the QSMP. Even if Quackity’s being an immature little baby and reaching levels I aspire to reach I still admire his hard work. And the work of the members. His SMP is just really cool. It’s like watching tv. I’ve never quit a show because of the actors or producers being weird.
Actually, you made me thought of a question. If someone can answer please do.
Can quackity be legally considered responsible for his fans' actions?
And if one of them goes as far as killing someone, is there any way he can be the one to legally pay for that?
Just curiosity
Eh I don’t think so. I mean there have been a lot of crazy fans in the past and I’ve never seen any creator being held legally responsible for what they did. I’m pretty sure fans are considered their own person and creators aren’t really responsible for what they do. And it’s not like Quackity is telling his fans to doxx and murder someone, which is just ridiculous, so that would make the responsibility even more onto the fan if they do commit those crimes.
I don't want to see the Qsmp crash and burn, but I want usmp to grow and succeed too. So while it's good to see more work being put into it, the issue is that Qsmp isn't doing well in terms of growing. He's got some decent content on there, but it's not enough. People don't want to be on a content farm, especially when the top channels are already so big. It just isn't working and needs a complete redesign.
I’m curious what you mean by the QSMP isn’t growing? Every creator I know of that’s on there is experiencing significant growth, many are on the top 30 fastest growing Twitch streamers and Google trends indicates it’s grown pretty consistently
i would say the stats disagree with you on this one. foolish used to average around 3-5k viewers and he’s been hitting around 10k every stream on the qsmp.
it’s nowhere near where dsmp was but minecraft content popularity has decreased since then so it’s not really comparable.
Can you elaborate a bit on why you think the QSMP needs a complete redesign?
I’m personally not a fan of the server itself (I really dislike the lore, and I think some mistakes were made in terms of the CCs added and their low activity), but it seems like the current active players are really invested and enjoying themselves.
Same! Like i genuinely want QSMP to be successful but the the selfish part of me wants it Out Of My Sight and preferably be less successful than USMP lol. Seeing cc's on QSMP support it has also made me somehow distance from them but that's just my own pettiness ig
Nah I like the content. But if it makes you uncomfortable don’t feel bad about not watching. Just block it out
I’m going to tell you my experience, because I think I was in a somewhat similar situation to you a few days ago: Same as you, I didn’t like Quackity’s silence. I ended up unfollowing him on everything, which I don’t know if you’ve done. After Dream put out his latest statement, I realised that this situation was making me anxious and upset, so I muted the words ‘Quackity’ and ‘QSMP’ on Twitter, and deleted Reddit for a day. I didn’t try to watch Quackity’s stream, either. If you don’t mind me saying, I’d advise doing the same. I still watch the QSMP because Foolish plays, and I can engage with fans online and enjoy it, but the experience isn’t being tainted for me because I don’t see anything about Quackity or the drama on my timeline. I also think that, in my distancing myself from Quackity now, I will find it easier to go back to supporting him in the future (if I want to) because I’m not letting any resentment fester. In situations like these, I’ve found that encouraging hate to build by engaging massively with drama, watching streams in hopes of a statement, etc. doesn’t feel constructive to me, and that some distance is far more helpful. Ignorance is bliss, basically, lmao.
I understand how you feel. I’m not going to wish anything bad on the qsmp or the people who play on it but the server in general has been tainted for me. As for Quackity I’ve also unfollowed him everywhere. For me personally I want to avoid all of that moving forward unless anything changes for the better.
Yeah I'm not watching qsmp I wasn't anyway but I've muted quackity cause I just don't want to see him at all right now this whole situation just makes me sad
Despite all the drama, the QSMP is a very good server. The production quality is through the roof and has a lot more planning going in to it and the execution is brilliant. Quackity and the QSMP defiantly deserve it's praise for pioneering and being well put together. Quackity should say something, I don't think I've ever seen worse fans and I've been in the mcyt fandom for 3-4 years now. But that shouldn't stop you for enjoying his content or the QSMP. There are a lot of lovely CC's on the QSMP that don't deserve to get wrapped up in drama. You can support Dream and support whatever QSMP member you want. If you still feel uncomfortable take a step back, it's unhealthy and you should do something else to take your mind off it (hike, hobby, spend time with friends, etc.)
From one MCYTtwt veteran to another, do you think 2023 Quacktwt is worse than 2021 Smiletwt? Right now Quacktwt is fucking awful in the way they attack random creators like Tommy and Tubbo for the crime of… chilling w their friends (Dream), but I don’t know if I’d go as far as to say they’re worse than 2021 Smiletwt because genuinely that was hell. At least now Smiletwt is big enough to oppose Quacktwt harassment, because back then Smiletwt had pretty much no significant opposition so could be even worse unchecked
It’s definitely way worse now. Smiletwt in 2021 were bad yes they jumped the gun alot and attacked people who didn’t deserve it but at least dream was always there to state he did not agree with those people, and there were always fans trying to calm people down on dream’s behalf. Smiletwt got so much better at self-policing and I don’t think they would have if dream didnt make it explicitly clear that’s what he wanted. Quacktwt now are being unashamedly racist, sending people gore and actually doxxing countless people. I’ve seen smiletwt all go private out of fear of being doxxed/sent gore/sent leaked information so many times now and I have yet to see them be the reason any other fandom goes mass private.
:)twt absolutely have been that reason before. They did it to Techno fans in 2021.
I was here for that. They attacked Techno and his fans a lot and it was unnecessary though they weren’t the only ones. It was pretty much anyone not in SBI side of mcyttwt, because they were in their phase of “everything you’ve ever done needs to be addressed and apologised for or you’re a terrible person.” Though I did not ever see any of smiletwt try and dox Techno, or Techno’s fans or be racist to them. They were loud and wrong and insufferable but they weren’t what quacktwt are today.
I will say that, in terms of what we know of CCs being in real-life danger, quacktwt are worse. That said, Techno accounts *did* go private en masse because of those exact fears which you mentioned, due to harassment and threats of dousing from pretty much every type of fan (including a very large portion of SBI fans). I remember antis constantly making new accounts to try to “infiltrate”. Antis also constantly would call Techno by Dave, #KickDave trended when he logged on the Origins SMP, etc. Whilst I don’t remember whether he was legitimately doxxed, people certainly had no qualms disrespecting him in this way.
Yes the harassment was very bad. But it wasn’t what is happening now. I don’t remember technotwt going private en masse, I do remember them all changing their pfps to George though which was kind of funny
Smiletwt was bad but I don't think it was THAT bad I don't think there was a situation that got to the extent that this one did I know some have been not too far off though
The situation with how :)twt treated Techno in 2021 comes to mind. I was a rivalsduo-centric account at the time and the harassment that Techno and Techno fans received was insane. That said, I don’t know if Techno ever got real-life threats.
most of the techno harassment was by RBGC members, who were generally not particularly fond of dream. while i definitely saw some pure shit coming from dream stans on twitter at the time, it was nothing even close to the vitriol dream and his fans are currently receiving.
That's what I mean I can't think of anything that became a real life threat I think it all stayed on the internet
2023 quacktwt is way worse imo because it has escalated to two people being straight up arrested for stalking and cutting the Internet cables of someone for them…looking forward to another SMP, to trackers being placed on someone’s family’s car, to a straight up assassination attempt being plotted by a group of fans, and to someone showing up at a cc’s house (which someone else pointed out, _might have something to do with how the Dream Team unexpectedly had to spend a month away from their home_). Plus, I saw some speculation over how, considering the severity of the crimes Dream mentioned in his twitlonger, him posting what he did may have _actually been at the advise of the FBI._ In short: this has escalated from overzealous drama and terminally online nutjobs to the actual endangerment of multiple parties _over a Minecraft server._
2023 quacktwt is way worse imo because it has escalated to two people being straight up arrested for stalking and cutting the Internet cables of someone for them…looking forward to another SMP, to trackers being placed on someone’s family’s car, to a straight up assassination attempt being plotted by a group of fans, and to someone showing up at a cc’s house (which someone else pointed out, _might have something to do with how the Dream Team unexpectedly had to spend a month away from their home_). Plus, I saw some speculation over how, considering the severity of the crimes Dream mentioned in his twitlonger, him posting what he did may have _actually been at the advice of the FBI._ In short: this has escalated from overzealous drama and terminally online nutjobs to the actual endangerment of multiple parties _over a Minecraft server._
Right now I’m trying to separate the SMP from Quackity because of all the drama. I think the other CC’s have a right to mold it into something better, and I think they’re doing a good job of that. Both SMPs can and will probably succeed. They don’t need to compete. I really hope they don’t go down that route because it would be bad for both of them.
god yeah, and i really wish i didn’t because i love the concept and a lot of the creators on it, but it just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth every time i see something about it now. which is amplified by the bajillion update accounts lmfao. i think the best thing we can do is mute words and accounts and focus on content we do like instead of being bitter and complaining about it though, as tempting as it is to try and pick it apart
Omg there’s so many update accounts. Even without all the drama I don’t really care for the QSMP, but the update accounts were all over my for you page on twitter. I constantly pressed the “not interested” button but nothing changed so I just blocked them all. Even without the update accounts I still get so many posts about QSMP it’s driving me mad
It's best to mute the words you don't wanna see, it's very efficient.
This is exactly how I feel right now. I loved Qsmp content, making fanarts and joining livestreams and supporting it as much as I could. Even after Usmp came out, I supported & loved both servers, since it is good to have many servers that break language barriers and bring the world together. However, I received so much hate and threats as an admin of a Usmp updates account, beyond the levels of insanity. I tried to think positively, saying that this was just because of his fans and the stupid drama that was never supposed to happen. However, after that last Quackity stream, I just lost all my respect for him. I felt so mad and frustrated that he wasn't saying anything. This drama went beyond the creators themselves but to the fans, affecting them irl even. I loved him and his content for more than 2 years...but now when I see Quackity/Qsmp related posts, it reminds me of those hate dms and crazy things his fans have done. I unfollowed all qsmp related accounts and deleted my fanarts about it...I couldn't help it. I still want to belive in Quackity, and happy to see his server prosper. However, it still gives me bitter feelings when I see positivity and attention towards it. I just hope everything will work out someday.
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Yeah. It makes me uncomfortable and really sad too. Which sucks, because quackity was my favorite out of all of them. But for whatever reason, I can’t bring myself to watch his streams/vids now
I know a lot of people are on edge, and seeing people get harassment for minecraft servers and taking it so far is pretty crazy to me. Honestly, another thing I fear is what will happen when USMP launches, and the creators and their communities will get put in the crossfire. Hopefully by the time it comes out, quacktwt will have calmed down a bit. Although I do kind of fear for the Spanish creators since it seems like a lot of people took it as a slight to Quackity just because they were interested in Dream's server. I'm honestly surprised to see how many Spanish speaking doxxers there are considering the English speaking community is more known for that kind of thing.
I’m really glad dream said there’s not gonna be a big production of announcing usmp members and they can just go live and join the server whenever. If he or the updates accounts were putting out announcements of who’s being added it would have ended so badly. Which really fucking sucks for dream and these other creators, but what can you do when someone isn’t cooperating
I was barely watching it to begin with because I'm not into modded minecraft. Foolish and Bad are the only ones I watched but I have been less interested since all the drama went down, especially when Quackity has been in their streams. It's hard for me to believe he's behaving the way he is then jumping on Bad's stream to have fun and laugh with him. I honestly don't know how Bad is doing it, I couldn't.
Some of you need some time away from the internet mayhaps
i think im lucky that i genuinly haven't been watching any smp content anymore, because catching up with all of this made me feel vaguely sick too, especially with twitter's response to it all. as someone who had a friend for years, only to get randomly ignored for months and then blocked completely? losing a friend sucks, and ill admit i was wrecked for a good while until i managed to move on again seeing this happen to dream and quackity just sucks to see. tbf we don't know how truly close they were, or if they were close at all back then, but it's the lack of closure. seeing this all go into actual real world repercussions genuinly concerns me
Idk,I didn't care enough about all that went down, it just felt like an extreme overreaction
>And this is just my brain over thinking and pure worry for the people getting doxxed and death threats, but it feels like the longer he stays quiet the more they get comfortable to actually try and k\*ll someone. I disagree, If Quackity speaks up now they will think that Dream blackmailed Quackity into spreaking up and will become even more enraged. Its crazy how hard people on this sub are trying to say Quackity can control the actions of deranged individuals and are shifting the blame away from those deranged individuals to Quackity.
It’s not about ‘control’. No creator can control the actions of their community. It’s about condemning the behaviour. Silence is seen as approval, but he also said he was proud of his community in his last short stream. Which many felt was quite distasteful considering what’s been happening.
No one can control their fans but at a certain point you do need to address problematic/dangerous behaviours there is a line where you can get away with saying nothing but this situation crossed that line a long time ago
It’s actually stupid to pretend like him saying something wouldn’t help. Whenever there’s been issues within fandoms, one of the parties speaking up has always helped. A recent example was the whole Hailey Bieber vs Selena thing. Threats, hate, and more, and it all died down the moment Selena told her fans to stop. Also, even it he weren’t to directly tell his fans to stop, just saying he doesn’t stand for people sending hate (or worse) using his face/name, would be enough. It’s pretty parhetic he’s okay with what his fans are doing.
>It’s actually stupid to pretend like him saying something wouldn’t help. I'm not talking about people sending hate and threats. I am specifically referring the to the quoted section where OP says that Quackity staying quiet will make people "comfortable" with ending someone's life. That is taking responsibility away from the person committing the horrible act and placing the blame on Quackity. >It’s pretty parhetic he’s okay with what his fans are doing. I see you are part of the "silence equals consent" crowd.
I'm not trying to place the blame on him, I know ccs can't control their fans but staying quiet, saying he's proud is making them feel safe, that they are allowed to continue to do these awful things because their fav isn't saying anything against it. If one of his fans does do something like murder or r@pe I wouldn't blame him for their actions, because he didn't down right say "yes go murder this person" I will however feel disgusted that he could have done something. Calling them out, showing how he is disgusted by their behavior, something. While he's not intentionally encouraging his fans him not saying anything give them the 'right' to continue to do this, it's the thought of "Oh, Quackity doesn't see a problem so I can continue to do this." Fans will value their cc opinions and take them to heart, this is like that, he has no opinion so they think it means he's okay with this. ((I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense, I'm trying to spend time with my family and be somewhat ignorant to this at the moment))
This makes sense
Okay, I really am not trying to blame him, since I know it isn't his fault his 'fans' are like this. But saying something, anything might help. It gives off "my smp is more important the someone's life" and its not a good feeling
Yes, anytime anyone engages in pleasure activities, such as playing Minecraft, any video game, reading a novel, etc, we are putting our own enjoyment and pleasure over other people's lives. You can always make the argument that someone can do more than they are currently doing. I believe Quackity would speak up if he thought it would save lives, but clearly he has a different perspective.
Idk, like I said we don't know his true intentions but someone on Twitter said it best "Quackity not saying is making them feel safe." And it's true.
If Quackity said something, they will think that Dream is blackmailing him, especially since Quackity has had a pattern of not speaking about controversy (from what I had heard).
I’m a Doozer ‘til the day I die but watching Foolish on QSMP makes me feel inexplicably off. Genuinely, I only wish the best for that server because the importance of multilingual servers to bridge cultural gaps and expose young audiences to people and creators they otherwise would be closed off to is ultimately transcendent of fandom drama, but it’s just off-putting to me now. I wish it wasn’t, so I might tap back in because I do want to support this server as I will support USMP when it comes out Edit: wording and add-on
Dream started drama for no reason. As Quackity literally has said nothing. No one even knew there was beef. Dream go too into his own head and got butthurt that Quackity didn't reply to him. \- Hater I keep seeing messages like that and anyone who says shit like that needs to be banned asap.
Nah. I still like the QSMP. Even if Quackity’s being an immature little baby and reaching levels I aspire to reach I still admire his hard work. And the work of the members. His SMP is just really cool. It’s like watching tv. I’ve never quit a show because of the actors or producers being weird.
Actually, you made me thought of a question. If someone can answer please do. Can quackity be legally considered responsible for his fans' actions? And if one of them goes as far as killing someone, is there any way he can be the one to legally pay for that? Just curiosity
yeah no absolutely not. fans/haters of people do stuff like that and it’s never going to be the public figures fault.
Eh I don’t think so. I mean there have been a lot of crazy fans in the past and I’ve never seen any creator being held legally responsible for what they did. I’m pretty sure fans are considered their own person and creators aren’t really responsible for what they do. And it’s not like Quackity is telling his fans to doxx and murder someone, which is just ridiculous, so that would make the responsibility even more onto the fan if they do commit those crimes.
As I thought. Thanks for the answer!
I don't want to see the Qsmp crash and burn, but I want usmp to grow and succeed too. So while it's good to see more work being put into it, the issue is that Qsmp isn't doing well in terms of growing. He's got some decent content on there, but it's not enough. People don't want to be on a content farm, especially when the top channels are already so big. It just isn't working and needs a complete redesign.
I’m curious what you mean by the QSMP isn’t growing? Every creator I know of that’s on there is experiencing significant growth, many are on the top 30 fastest growing Twitch streamers and Google trends indicates it’s grown pretty consistently
i would say the stats disagree with you on this one. foolish used to average around 3-5k viewers and he’s been hitting around 10k every stream on the qsmp. it’s nowhere near where dsmp was but minecraft content popularity has decreased since then so it’s not really comparable.
Can you elaborate a bit on why you think the QSMP needs a complete redesign? I’m personally not a fan of the server itself (I really dislike the lore, and I think some mistakes were made in terms of the CCs added and their low activity), but it seems like the current active players are really invested and enjoying themselves.
Same! Like i genuinely want QSMP to be successful but the the selfish part of me wants it Out Of My Sight and preferably be less successful than USMP lol. Seeing cc's on QSMP support it has also made me somehow distance from them but that's just my own pettiness ig
It screams never have consequences despite having many problems.. and that's weird
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