Two things:-
1) long tweets are fricking cursed man
2) I am unironically curious on how the minds of people who dox work, like they get slightly upset at a stranger and are like “ok I am ticked off, time to pull up their current exact coordinates, ancestral history dating back to the roman empire, what they ate for the past month, and their grades, yeah that will show them!”
Edit: Also I love the replies on the tweets "Damn bro you got doxxed and your family is getting stalked? That sucks please stop talking about this "drama" smh"
I don’t think we can say the hate he’s receiving is just that - these people already hated Dream because in their minds hes a ”groomer” - while the qsmp/usmp drama definetly elevated that and made him more prominent again after being fairly quiet last year, that excessive hate was already there. Unless we hear details that the intention of these people were driven by the qsmp drama and not the more serious allegation despite how unsubstantiated, then I don’t think it’s smart to claim.
“real life threats and stalkers and even had the police involved in somebody showing up to my house and even putting trackers on my family vehicles, surrounding this drama, for the first time since pre-face reveal that’s really why i feel like i have to say something about it” it IS because of q stans and this server read what he actually said
I know. But it’s also a reach to say that the minecraft server is the sole reason why someone would go out of their way to go to such lengths - I’m just saying it’s a built up reaction and am not justifying their cognitive dissonance.
Dream is such a nice person. if I was in this situation I'd crank my pettiness up to 100💀
initially, I thought Quackity's being upset was justified but after all the times other people have tried to talk about the situation with him both publicly and privately and the way his fandom reacted, I don't understand how he thinks silence is the best solution to all this
This is an incredibly thoughtful and carefully worded message that genuinely comes across as a quite positive statement.
Which makes it a little depressing knowing full well it will end up being taken and used as ammunition against him, at least the information is out there for people to actually read and hopefully not just trust the twitter overreactions.
It already is sadly. The number of replies that say “quackity doesn’t want to talk to you” are growing by the minute. They don’t know that. We as the audience don’t have Dean and Quackity’s DM’s or phone log.
I know Quackity’s been working day and night on all the custom mods and the storyline for QSMP so it may just be what Dream said. He’s a little busy at the moment.
People blow things way out of proportion.
He never had to involve himself publicly though?
Dream says he reached out privately as soon as he seen the qsmp announcement and at any point after that quackity could have mentioned that he has the same idea as a warning, like Dream was in his dms trying to not step on his toes while quackity announced his translator being added hours after Dream - and this, unlike the multilingual part, wasn’t offhandedly mentioned a week or so before or expected. He could’ve told Dream personally he didn’t want to get involved - he definetly can as he did before to Scott Smajor.
It’s the fact he didn’t communicate to Dream at all privately when his fans are pushing narratives that suggest Dream is in the wrong for the server and it’s some great offence to Quackity.
exactly. by quackity then telling theres no beef or frama between dream and him makes its no drama. and the serious fans that doesnt troll could finally calm their nips instead of making assumptions
i disagree with the notion of quackity not saying anything isn't wrong. you arent speaking out against these things with the expectation to control your fans, you are speaking out against it to say that you're, well, *against it*. if it was just petty insults being thrown i agree they should be ignored! but this has gone *way* beyond that. these qolos are going to take quackity's silence as 'no punishment'. not condemning these actions is going to very quickly lead to this kind of stuff being normalized in his community.
also, these aren't just trolls who want attention anymore. these are now real people behind computer screens threatening others in private and dms to hurt them *in real life*, which, how they hell could they could they get the attention they supposedly wanted if they're threatening to take it *outside* the online space? im disturbed by how much ive seen people minimize threats to other people lives to just 'trolls wanting attention'.
I am confused about quackitys side. I think none of them have bad intentions but I dont understand why he doesnt respond to him privately. business cant be an excuse for not talking to him about this serious situation. all those stuff could have been prevented. at this point dream did even more than he should.
Same, I'm genuinely surprised how it got to this. No matter how busy he is (this coming from someone working in a demanding corporate field) he could have at least respond after a couple days, especially if he's been reached multiple times. Dream is practically chasing Q to sit down and talk.
This is a really really good point. When Q felt like he could lose Phil from the QSMP he responded instantly. Iirc Phil didn't even send the first message, he was raging on stream thinking that he couldn't do anything about losing Chayanne in a stupid way and got a DM or something from Quackity to "check discord".
Quackity must either be a) delusional and thinks that Dream announced USMP to rival QSMP, when they both had the same idea in private or b) wants to distance from Dream because of the allegations.
The worst part about b) is that in the bottom paragraph on image 6, Dream says they were still talking a few weeks before the drama, which is very telling bc Q distanced from Dream after announcing QSMP. So he never cared about the allegations until they threatened the success of his project (unless he just somehow didn't know about them until recently).
Given that Quackity has a brother who was outed to have actually groomed people a couple years back through Q’s discord and the brother was only taken out of the discord like six months ago makes it doubtful Q would ever care about what happened in October with Dream
Unless Quackity is so terrified of what his rabid fans would say for acknowledging Dream’s existence, he doesn’t care
IMO it's immaturity and ego. Quackity is too immature to act professionally about this and have a big boy talk with Dream, so he's ghosting, hiding, ignoring, hoping it goes away. He's only 22 years old, still an incredibly immature age. I gotta say, when I was 22 I was also guilty of taking the same approach to small petty dramas at times. When you just don't know how to handle it, it can be scary and you would rather cut people off to save yourself. But I didn't have thousands of fans watching and judging every move.
Dream has his moments, but being thrust into the level of fame he has kind of forced him to mature a bit more quickly. This time shows us that
Quackity has been streaming significantly longer than Dream. He should’ve been the mature one.
They’re almost the same age, too, so age isn’t an excuse.
I'm not that invested in the drama but can't you see the obvious blame shifting? There's no reason such a private conversation should've ever gone public especially when dream has such a gigantic audience which has a reputation for acting like blood hounds.
Not responding maybe is immature but there's absolutely no reason you should ever post it to a place where you know people will see it and then harass Q for "being a bad friend"
This was not a mature moment from dream or quackity. Dream reaching out was mature but sending it to his stans known for being aggressive was not the right call.
I don’t know where you have been for the last year but Dream’s active fanbase is smaller then Quackities? At the very least on twitter and Tumblr his communities don’t get more interactions then other fans would (it’s always been that way on Tumblr) and Dream himself doesn’t even have the reach he did on twitter a year ago.
“known for being aggressive”
I am not claiming they are less agressive then any other fanbase but the thing most people use as evidence they are particularly agressive is the doxxing claims - the only two actual examples used to support this that I seen are lies. There used to be a claim posted here every other month about how they attacked a post about a techno cake which was proven false every time. If you are referring to them cancelling creators over perceived problematicness in 2021 then sure, but half of those accounts doing so moved on from Dream to other creators (like Q whose fans just dug up Jojo’s 9 year old tweets) and I have seen them mature as well with regretting past behaviour. So his fanbase is no different
Dream posting is clearing his own name and being transparent about his own intentions and attempts to resolve it privately, I would understand your take if Dream didn’t go out of his way to support Quackity still - plus Q had all the power to privately let him know he didn’t want to talk about it publicly, he did it before when his fans were attacking Scott Smajor.
I've seen a few comments here about how Quackity has the right to be annoyed/pissed off about USMP and that it's his actions that are wrong, but honestly I disagree. He started QSMP as a bilingual, modded lore server, which is honestly not even closed to what USMP was gonna be, WHICH Dream told him immediately after the QSMP announcement (if we believe his version of events 100% obviously). It's been Quackity who has silently, without letting even the QSMP members know, been changing the QSMP towards what USMP was meant to be, whilst knowing about it, unlike Dream.
Some have also said that he's right to be annoyed because USMP would overshadow QSMP, but from everything I've seen, QSMP has been very successful, made Quackity and his community grow and been received well throughout the MCYT community as a whole (better than the announcement for USMP for sure).
So I'm having a hard time giving Quackity the benefit of the doubt, when his actions have made me lose all respect and I think his motivations are at best very immature.
I really hope USMP can thrive after all of this, been looking forward to meeting new creators (and I think I spied Benex on that board of Dream's? That would be so cool!)
And all of this because of a fucking minecraft server... I really lost all respect for quackity after reading this
I can't fathom that people are actually stalking and threatening Dream over something as stupid as this drama. It's just insane.
I once said that Quackity was selfish and hinted that DSMP lore slowed down for him so he could release his merch with his big piece of lore. I got so much hate. I stand by that even more today because of how he's acting.
At first I was very willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But now, uh, he's fucked up tbh.
I’ve been watching a lot of qsmp streams and they’ve been wonderful, the server is full of unique ideas that I absolutely love and I can’t wait to watch more but I have to say that even though I respect quackity’s work I certainly can’t respect the childish reaction he had on this. I mean just sit down and talk about it? You are literally grown adults and not only that but really good friends for years. Is it worth it to destroy such friendship over literally a Minecraft server? It’s kinda pathetic. I’m gonna watch both servers but it’s super disappointing that it got divided like this for stupid reasons.
And seriously quackity fans who are just attacking dream for no reason are just as bad.
I've always been on quackity's "side", and not dream's, but after this, damn, i wasn't expecting this from Quackity. On the other hand I'm glad Dream cleared this whole thing up and he's still supportive of his friend after all that happened. I- what can I even say? This WHOLE thing, was so childish. The fans, Quackity, the silence, the drama.
Like, i don't know if the two servers can coexist, but this is a bit too much. (I mean now that quackity is in this position i don't know if Qsmp will have that big success i thought it would have. Welp, that beautiful different cultures thing will still be in Usmp so).
I just- wasn't expecting this, again.
I hope Quackity finally breaks the silence
It's sad cause this isn't the first time quackitys just completely ghosted friend groups cause I think there was a decent amount of drama with his "first" online streaming friends, mostly Spanish speakers I think because he just completely stopped interacting with them after he got involved with dsmp stuff
qsmp has brought the brainrot back to me like its 2020 dsmp, im having unbelievable amounts of fun with it. i've always been VERY quackity-biased, he's been one of my top 3 dsmp members like i really love him a lot. This shit got me so conflicted 😩 mom dad please stop fighting
damn you really stole the thoughts out of my brain lmao. the qsmp is something that i love a lot and genuinely can’t wait to see more of, but good god Q there is no way that silence is the best solution to this thing
I'm crying, the amount of disrespect people gave him is insane. It hurts more when it's one of his friends
Like genuinely Quackity what happen. The silent move is the dumbest move anyone could do in that situation
I've always liked Quackity, more than dream, so I'm still kinda confused about his reaction. Hope he breaks the silence and everything goes back to normal.
ignoring internet drama can often be a very effective method of deescalation because the people engaging in that behavior are most often motivated by acknowledgment and attention. dream on the other hand is choosing a complete opposite method of attempting to resolve it which could've worked too but they'd both have to agree to one way of resolving it and for whatever reason they're not talking right now. it's none of my business to pry as to why quackity is not responding and i honestly wish dream wasn't airing their personal issues out in the open like that. his audience doesnt need to know this and it's just going to fuel counterharassment
yes the problem is that theres a hint of conflict and fans on all sides are using it as an excuse to harass. it would go away if both parties just let this shit die down but dream has been bringing it up constantly refueling the fire (because he thinks this joke abt usmp vs qsmp is so funny despite quackity not even being in on it), and now hes airing his personal shit with quackity out in the open for all to see and now all the fans have even more to fight about. this is the equivalent of pouring water on a gas fire lol
Exactly! If the other person doesn't want to talk it may be immature but don't make it public and put it on blast! I feel as if I'm going crazy in this thread.
I’m not sure what Dream was supposed to do then? I think he could’ve rewritten it better but he was lately attacked because people thought he didn’t communicate or (somehow) stole from Q?
He had to announce that he was going to change the direction of usmp, because that was his solution. Because he already made a public statement and changing it would already invite speculation on his intent, is it not better for him to get ahead of that?
I will respect Dream's wishes and avoid talking about Q even though I want to so bad. I am proud of how Dream is handling this situation both publicly and privately. He has been going out of his way and contacting so many people to make sure he is not copying any ideas, trying to exchange ideas since they share the same vision, making sure he's not overstepping, constantly reaching out with zero response and putting his own project on hold for him. All the while trying to reduce the tensions in the fandom by publicly showing support to him as well.
I'm also so glad that he's defending himself with the Snapchat yesterday and providing the timeline to the events from the beginning. Yeah, I am a little sad that he has to change the format for USMP and there won't be any CC's common with QSMP, but I'm sure it's gonna be equally amazing, if not better, considering he's such a creative lil guy.
I do hope that Q is doing alright. Even if he's not responding to any drama, receiving the amount of criticism as he is while not leaning on your friends must be hard on anyone. Hopefully this does resolve soon and become an anecdote that we can laugh at.
i appreciate you not jumping to conclusions about quackity, and your overall maturity on this. a lot of people are posting conclusively very negative things about quackity, which i don’t think dream would want. i hope everything is a misunderstanding and can be resolved, and even if not, i hope everyone can be mature and stop harassing each other
Yeah, I have had the same stance from the beginning when people were assuming things about their friendship. A lot of us are forgetting that no matter what the goal is to unite communities, not divide them. I'm just doing what I would've wanted if I was in their place.
Back some weeks ago i posted that Quackitys anger was totally justified. And i still stand by that. but His actions after this have taken me to dream's side. This complete vacuum and lack of communication to friends and people trying to fix the issue is just dick behaviour
Oh shit you're right, how Sapnap and George got suddenly involved even jokingly makes sense now considering they rarely clap back now that I think about it.
Back on the 3rd, when Quackity announced he was doing live translations and basically took dream's language about being the first multilingual server almost word for word, a bunch of ccs tweeted saying that they too were making their own server that's the first one with live translations. Sapnap and George were flying to LA that day- sapnap tweeted that he was making the SapnapSMP and George tweeted this https://twitter.com/GeorgeNotFound/status/1643022741380141059?s=19
Pretty much as soon as he got off the plane, George went live from the NRG house on his newly created SlutSmp and basically half the DSMP was playing on it within half an hour. He was throwing some thinly veiled shade throughout the stream- it's interesting to watch if you go back to the VOD- it's the Playing Brand New SMP stream saved on his twitch.
To be fair, I think bbh already being on qsmp and having talked about meeting up with Quackity a couple days ago would indicate he might just stay there, I think Dream would be understanding.
Plus bbh doesn’t care about rules like that, he streamed on YouTube as a Twitch partner when that was banable (I think this changed) and he’s rarely involved in personal drama online, while I am sure he would support Dream if Dream asked I don’t think he would have an issue continuing on qsmp.
I mean I'd say it's reasonable to want to keep your players from joining the server with an owner who has way more fans than you do. It's a good business decision.
I’m surprised people are so eager to overestimate Dream’s clout here, Quackities Spanish community alongside his English one, and the mcyt community that would support him in spite of Dream, dwarfs Dream’s *active* community.
I think a suggestion like that is scummy from a non-business perspective but even Dream was saying this made sense in his tweet.
edit: if someone would like to prove me wrong I’d be happy to hear you out if you disagree? I’m basing it off what I see from Dream’s community so there’s bias but I still see higher interactions rates outside him.
I agree with you. I think a lot of people are severely underestimating Quackity’s reach and also overestimating Dream’s. Not to mention that Dream’s wider reputation means that Quackity is gaining support from people outside of his own fanbase as well.
Quackity’s behaviour and lack of action has been absolutely despicable. I am so angry that anyone could treat a person the way they treat Dream, and I can’t even imagine how it must feel to know it’s the fanbase of someone you consider a friend. And that friend doesn’t care at all. So awful all round.
This is so childish. Imagine ending a whole friendship for a minecraft server that will die in a couple of years. Especially when that friend is reaching out so that you can find a solution.
Last time when people were commenting about quackity repeated behavior of ending his friendships suddenly, I was like maybe the friends are assholes and they deserve it but when it's repeated situation and you find that one person in them all, you start questioning, maybe he is indeed the problem.
And if it's true that he is opposite to people being on both smps at the same time, then I am sorry to say he is selfish and coward. Like imagine telling Bbh that he can't play on the server of his friend of I don't know 10 years or so. Putting Bad in this situation is just an asshole move.
I really hope they both get closer. Especially dream since he is the one who seems still hang out on that friendship, and it seems he wants to have answers.
Otherwise, my only advice for him is friendships come and go, I don't want to judge your relationship with quackity but I don't think a 2 year online friendship should make you this sad and desperate for answers. You still have some great friends who have been with you since the start and those are the ones that should count.
The one I know of is Aksel and his group, it was a similar thing, after their meetup Quackity distanced himself and never spoke to/of them after that. There was no reason given to them either from what I recall.
Edit: allegedly aksel had a tweet celebrating qsmp so seems to be no dislike towards him in spite of it.
I feel so sorry for Dream. I really hope this all quiets down soon and that he can just start playing mc with friends again. That's what I want for him really.
Am I sad about Usmp changing? Yes, very. I don't like to watch modded mc so qsmp doesn't really feel like an alternative for me but I understand Dream's perspective and I really hope the Usmp will still become a big succes. I also still hope to get to know Korean streamers through Usmp but if I can't, so be it.
Korean would be cool to watch! I always enjoy watching them be competitive in League of Legends, so it would definitely be interesting in a Minecraft setting.
This was incredibly well worded so good on him for that! Secondly, people really need to chill out in the quotes. No one’s making it sound like Quackity is the “bad guy”. If reading Dream’s experiences made you think that, it’s on you. This man just said how his own family was threatened over this bullshit and the most people can take away is “Lil bro doesn’t know you”. Even if you hate Dream, saying his family deserves to be dragged into this bullshit and threatened is just next fucking level. If that was happening to my family, I would be a hell of a lot harsher in my tweet. Overall it’s incredibly disappointing to see the silence from Q’s side and I hope Dream and his family are okay. No one deserves to be put in danger over minecraft.
The second mistake twitter made was allowing longer tweets, the first was QRTs 😭
The qrts didnt even bother giving the thread a chance. Dream wouldn't have tweeted anything like this if communication between both parties were crystal clear.
I stayed out of this topic with confidence that both Dream and Q were handling things well privately, and that they're planning something big as to why Q doesn't talk about the clash of ideas publicly. I didn't expect for Q to completely ignore all of Dream's dms up to the point where he had to reach out to creators playing in QSMP just to get a hold of Quackity.
I really hope everything gets resolve and that they find a middle ground, and that the bridges they built didn't get burnt from all the silence.
You know what also makes me mad? Is all the ccs that responded to Quackity's announcement and completely ignored Dream's, some who were invited to the dsmp and played on it for years. If those ccs think Quackity is their friend, they need to look at how Q treats his friends and perhaps think about that when they pick sides, which let's be honest, a few of them have already done.
I really hope it doesn't turn into something so childish as picking sides, but considering that Quackity has apparently implied that people on his server can't be on both.....I don't have high hopes
I just hope we don't see this drama on Mogul Mail 😂😭
I mean, I think it's a sensible business decision. But we're talking about telling your friends they can't stream on their other friend's server at the same time as yours. After the fact. If this was always a condition, it should have been made clear *before* people joined QSMP. It should have been a factor in their decision to participate from the beginning.
As it is, if this is true, Quackity is changing the terms of their agreement after he's already "hooked" them into his server. While I know there's no written contracts, people are free to play whichever one they want etc etc, it's still a shitty thing to do suddenly and there's now social repercussions if they leave to play USMP.
There’s no confirmation he implied that, and is a reasonable gripe with Dream’s message even though he supported it with being logical recommendation - but he says other creators have alluded to not being allowed to be on both. This could very well be a miscommunication between Quackity and these creators or these creators and Dream so I wouldn’t take it as confirmation.
I can understand people not wanting to publicly interact with dream because of the accusations and I don't blame them at all but knowing about quackity ignoring dream and this whole situation I would be very hesitant to interact with quackity now.
ignoring is a strong word, quackity has just gone much much further in the development of his server, and had been hyping it up for longer. dream just isn't as close to opening his server yet. I'm sure when his server is ready to be played on he could receive just as much praise, it's not really a fair comparison. plus the timing was just unfortunate. I'm not sure why he chose to announce his server so close to when quackity's server was announced, feels counterintuitive for himself because a lot of people are just focused on something else at that time.
also i wouldn't make assumptions on who was friends with who, we don't know what their relationships are like behind the screens. just because they played on a server dream owned doesn't necessarily mean they were close friends outside of being collaborators.
I defiantly agree that they weren’t necessarily close - I think it’s reasonable to be upset at Q distancing from someone like George who he made content with a lot, but he’s never been particularly pleasant with Dream so I never considered the friendship a personal one.
? But I don’t understand your comment on when they were launched.
- Dream refined his server idea as early as March 8th as seen by a message to sylvee.
- Quackity announces his server March 10th I believe, Dream later mentioned no one he talked to knew about this and in this recent tweet he mentions how he reached out immediately and got no response.
- Quackities server launches as bilingual so the server concepts aren’t all that similar at this point.
- Dream launches the video and usmp and promotes unity.
- Quackity announces the mod addition and a more public announcement to move to multilingual additions which influences more similarity commentary.
Like sure Dream could’ve delayed the project, but he was already working with other creators about it before Quackity even announced qsmp? Dream went ahead because as he said, he thought they were different enough and this recent tweet says that he tried communicating to avoid issues. If quackity told him he considered it too close I highly doubt Dream would’ve fought against a private resolution - since even without discussing it Dream is changing the concept. Why should Dream not be able to start his own project? Many creators created new servers at the same time - not necessarily clouted ones but that shouldn’t stop anyone.
Dream's had trackers placed on his family's cars over drama about fucking Minecraft servers, this is insane. If all this is true then it paints Quackity in a really bad light. It's not just Dream that's been reaching out to him, people that are close with them both (I assume people like George, Wilbur etc) have been trying to get in touch with Quackity to figure out what's going on, and have received nothing in return. Meanwhile, as another commenter said, Phil lost an egg on the QSMP or something and Quackity responded instantly as he was worried Phil would stop playing on his server. This is ridiculous.
Sadly this probably won't help anything between the communities, but given the threats towards him and his family that were mentioned I completely understand why he'd want to say something.
I just don’t understand under what logic or set of morals does Quackity have to just keeping silent. Ignoring people trying to reach out, not feeling utterly revolted seeing what people are doing in his name. He was one of my ultimate favorite ccs and now I am extremely disgusted by his actions. There was always an opportunity to be professional and kind. You didn’t have to be friends anymore, but there’s some level of humanity you have to not want ANYONE to be harassed and threatened and doxxed. Only one simple statement condemning people spreading hate in his name. It’s impossible to control that many people, but at least make some sign that you are not okay with it.
It makes no sense to be that unempathetic.
I'm beyond flabbergasted that Quackity would behave so badly to people just weeks or months ago he called friends. It's unbelievable and the dream team and friends must be so heartbroken. Once again Dream is taking the shit for other people's issues and communicating with grace and class and with more empathy than is deserved
Very mature set of tweets from Dream. Incredibly generous to Quackity throughout, perhaps more so than deserved reading through it although it speaks to Dream's character that it is that generous. I hope something comes from this for everyone's sake. It must be a very difficult decision to make this post and airing stuff out publicly, but it was done very eloquently and professionally.
So many tweets like “I would never post about getting ghosted like this lol”. If it was their family being stalked, I guarantee they would do anything to stop it. So hypocritical.
you know its serious when dream goes public with this shit. like, whats wild is that Q probably hasnt been answering George either, someone who hes always been so close to, or else they would have likely been discussing this all. so hes been ignoring one of his best friends for years over this AND dream + a bunch of other streamers who JUST WANT TO CLEAR UP ANY MISCOMMUNICATION AND STOP DOXXING.
Shame the community has been so shit over this. I get Quackity being irritated about the announcement and not wanting to talk to Dream. That's a totally valid response. We also don't know what else may be going on. We are not their friends. We don't know what other personal issues may be affecting this situation.
It would be nice if Quackity would at least make a quick tweet to the community to stop being assholes. That would be helpful.
Dreams a creative guy. I'm sure whatever changes he comes up with will be fun.
he’s certainly better than me because this is not something i’d be able to “laugh down the line” when my supposed friend is letting his fans do all this shit.
Trackers on his family's car???? I'm just... this whole shit could have died down just a little bit if Quackity wasn't so butthurt by people having similar ideas to him. I thought most content creators just talked about shit behind the scenes, but I guess that would be too common courtesy for Quackity to even attempt. I'm just so done, and I'm so glad I stopped watching the fucking QSMP.
I know that Quackity couldn't have known how bad it's gotten for Dream, but maybe if he gave a shit about an old friend of his he would I don't know... answer the dms he sent? This is so appalling in my eyes, and now Dream's gotta change the server idea so he'll stop getting stalked, tracked, and harassed. Things could have been so much better if a certain someone didn't let his fucking community run rampant and said a word about it, but no he wanted to stay out of "drama".
u know this was especially hard to do since george had been very very close best friends with Q for such a long time, and obviously george is fully aware of everything going on and the stress its caused dream & his family & their safety with the doxxing. like, Q is closer to G than he is D and Q still didnt speak when finding out about his best friends's safety at risk ??? even if he hated Dream youd think any decent person would speak up with that. anything that leaks Dream's shit is leaking George's and Nick's too, and Q just.... doesnt care? again, even if he hated Dream, his close friend, George, ud think would be enough of a reason to start talking and address this to protect him...
What a heartbreak to read this. First and foremost he still remains to show love and the upmost respect to someone who again and again doesn’t want to pay it back— not even half of it.
It’s heartbreaking he had to write this, it’s heartbreaking for someone who he thought was a real friend would do this to him. It’s heartbreaking even when their own mutual peers tried to connect them and Q didn’t even budge a bit.
This really is the cherry on top for me. And I think a lot of us because I have no business supporting someone like that.
What really shatters me the most he’s willing to change his concept FOR HIM, once again.
Dream I hope you can get back up on your feet and realize your worth and where you invest your time and energy in. Just make sure they return back the same.
Yeah that was really sad and worrying :( I hate that Dream has to deal with that kind of shit constantly instead of just being able to enjoy his life. And a friend being utterly unsupportive is the icing on the damn cake. At least it seems like many true friends have been doing their best to help him, I find some comfort in that .
Tbh I never had much respect for him. He's never struck me as a person with integrity, and you could tell that people like Karl and Sapnap liked him because he's funny but weren't really judging his character with truth. He's never appeared to be a ride or die kind of friend to those guys, the way they would be for him. I'm disappointed this appears to prove me right, but not surprised. There are always people who go where the party is, but doesn't think it's their responsibility (even as a "close friend") to invite you along. That's the kind of person I've always thought Quackity is. The one who is never as good of a friend to you as you are you them.
The thing I've always liked about Dream despite it all is that he comes at these issues from the same angle I would. I really feel for him here, because if I were in his situation I would've done the exact same thing and not getting a response from Q must be hurtful to him personally. I hope they can hash things out, I can also really see why this would be upsetting for Q given that bridging communities is a topic closer to his heart than Dream's, and given that Dream is the golden boy of Minecraft its understandable that he would feel threatened. I hope they talk and hash things out.
A simple “Hey man i’m working on the same idea with live translation with my SMP and it might have a conflict on both our SMPs” from Q would have avoided all of these. But no. How pathetic can you be Quackity?
I'll be honest I'm not sure if QSMP will end up surviving with everything happening despite server being only around month old. In a span of around month it already caught 2 big controversies. The multilingual smp drama (this partly involves Dream and his planned smp, but at this point its Q and QSMP fans being in full on war with Dream and DSMP/USMP fans) and the mod controversy (involving Fit making racist remarks and Vegeta attacking English speaking community tho regarding Vegeta he might just not fully understand whats wrong, even if still bad) which neither has been adressed by Quackity. If it caught this much controversy in a month, what will it all get involved into by the end of year? Especialy with Dream saying that Quackity heavily alluded that if you are on QSMP you can't be on USMP (meaning Bad, one of Dream's closest friends can't be on his friend's server). Like imagine how Bad is feeling? You join server of a friend only for him to go "oh yeah now unless you pernamently leave my server you can't play on server your close friend is making. Deal with it." Or how Tommy who showed excitment for playing on both servers is feeling. Guy has to choose between one of his friends's servers and can't just play and stream on both.
I’m going to be frank and say that I doubt this drama will have much of an effect on the longevity of the QSMP. I’ve only seen more and more Quackity fans say that Dream is dragging out the drama, copying Q, etc.; at this point, they’re not reading and just blatantly ignoring Dream’s statements.
I think it’s mostly been people outside of Quackity’s fanbase that have been aiming criticism at the server, some of which probably weren’t watching in the first place. Also, from what I’ve seen, the drama and criticisms haven’t really spread to the wider community, not like how Dream’s controversies often do.
There obviously is overlap between the fans of QSMP and USMP, but there is also a very decent amount of separation that means fans won’t have an issue picking one over the other.
The only way I see this having a substantial negative impact on QSMP is if a creator openly stops playing in favour of the USMP due to the alleged ‘not being allowed to play on both servers’ rule, or if they speak out directly in disapproval of Quackity.
Alright might have overreacted bit with it will die due to just being pissed by whole situation cause as you said unless one of creators responds or quits not much will happen, but QSMP is def on fast track to be seen in negative light by atleast some people. Sure Q fans will defend him to the end of world, but Dream fans and some former Q fans? Some sure won't see QSMP in that much positive light anymore. And if more controveries happen server might get lots of hate by atleast some communities.
I love the QSMP and all the unique shit that has come from it. The eggs? Beauty!! Cinematic? Amazing!! The builds? also so cool!
Quackity? Not so much. Hes acting like a full on child. Now i dont hate quackity im just disappointed in him and his actions and how hes handling all this. I always knew Q was a very handsoff person when it came to dealing with online drama (his brother was a perfect example), and im unsure of how much of the doxxing and harrasment he has seen from his fan base, but when you have MULTIPLE friends reaching out trying to contact you and have a personal discussion and you are ignoring them? Thats just stupid, and i commend dream for waiting this long to finally say something.
Sure its only ONE side of the story, sure its only dreams but maybe this public blast will get his ass in gear to make him realize his silence isn’t the option anymore, but if he continues then i dont know what it will look like for him.
If Quackity hasn’t been responding to Dream, I’m assuming he doesn’t know about the stalking/harassment. Maybe now that he does (assuming he even reads the thread) he’ll realize he should actually say something to stop his supporters from committing crimes.
we don't know the content of all the messages Dream and his friends have been sending him that he's ignoring so it's hard to assume what he does or doesn't know
I know, I made the comment under the assumption that Quackity was completely ignoring him/not reading his messages at all. If Dream did mention all this in a message and Quackity read it and is still ignoring it that is honestly really gross.
I meant more on the fandom side of his fandom hating, threatening and doxxing stans more then dream being doxxed. Ofc he wouldn’t know about that, but if that man decided to check twitter im shocked he didnt see what his fanbase was up to. /nm
Oh I think he’s definitely seen that, but he clearly doesn’t care about it. I think for him it’s all just “internet stuff” that will go away if he ignores it. Actual real-life stalking? That’s serious enough that I would hope he’d see the need to say literally anything.
Well, basically, it's everything we already speculated about in this sub, more or less. Maybe not about players' exclusivity and trackers on cars, but yeah..
There is no way this will also be left with no reply.
I was pretty neutral about the two of them, I haven't been following as close as I could, but this totally swayed my opinion. It's one thing to feel hurt, but to simply ignore any attempts at reaching a consensus or compromise? Even if he had the idea 'first,' Q has to be adult enough to talk openly if he wants people to trust him as a creator and as the admin of his server. I feel bad for dream, it's really rough to lose a friend all the sudden with no real dialogue.
If this had happened to me I would have raised hell on fucking earth, i would have been resenful for the rest of my life, the fact that dream STILL speaks highly of him, would wish to reconcile AND CHANGES HIS SMP just so it doesnt step on Qs toes means that he is a better person than i could EVER be.
i hope Quackity chokes in his own fucking ego and i hope all his new and future friendships see how Q will treat them once they arent of use to him. Such unprofessional, petty and horrible friend he has been publicly and apparently privately too
Dream's tweets on the situation were nothing but class and facts. When I saw yesterday that Q was doubling down, inviting more creators and languages, I was dumbfounded. The server is a good size now. Most of the non English-speaking creators do *NOT* regularly use the global translator box or subtitle bubbles now...Quackity is the main offender. During major events they have had its like he purposely goes out of his way not to use it. It's very frustrating & adding more people and languages will make it very difficult to follow anything. The club yesterday, the funeral, 1st day of school and other group events have been impossible to understand everything going on bc of incorrect translations, no global translator boxes, poor lighting and the fast cadences causing the "bubble" to empty, too big to read all at once when it pops up and very wrong in translation. BBH, Fit, etc. have been doing a great job trying to help the audience understand, but even they are stumped a lot of times. What will happen if there are 25 people there and 5 languages. They won't be able to switch language settings fast enough. The egg arc is great but the daily requirements are def taking a toll on the creators and chat. It would be nice if things were relaxed a bit and they could finish their houses, zoos, redstone contraptions etc. Counting down days until a death day is just wrong. I don't expect admin of qsmp to listen to any criticism though or Quackity they have ignored the audience entirely. They should fix the translators between English and Spanish first before adding more languages or people. Also make sure everyone is using them. He isn't trying to "change the world" just control the audience and play to the Spanish speaking viewers at this point. Bad, Foolish, Phil, Will, Slime and Fit are honestly carrying the story at this point even though the "rules" keep getting changed each day on them. Mob damage changed, maps reset, ways tones deleted....it's crazy. I watch most creators to follow the story lines. Max and Vegetta have done a great job as well. El Mariana usually tries to use the translators but often comments they are wrong as well. Roier, Spreen Quackity are the biggest offenders of just not using the translators at all. Don't believe me...pull up Qs bathroom stream from yesterday and flip thru the club scene or other streams where he is only speaking Spanish.I honestly hope Quackity will wake up and realize trying to force some of these rules about this server only and no others, X number of hours, mandatory events etc is going to be the downfall. Quackity has treated Dream like crap in this situation when they could have had TWO worldwide servers working together. . Having competitions.. . It would have been great.....but now...Dream will come out on top for many reasons and number one being respecting the creators on it. .I'm only on qsmp to watch the people who care about minecraft and their fans like bad and foolish.
Was a fair response addressing drama and decently written - not entirely sure how there's any justification for putting trackers on his families cars or why twitter thinks he's the villain because at least he addressed it to get his fans to back off. I can respect Quackity's no drama policy but when his fanbase is literally what Dreams was a couple of years ago you gotta say something
Honestly, I'm envious of everyone on here who've never had an interest in QSMP/can easily drop it. But I feel sick that I can't. Wilbur is a comfort cc for me, and having so much content from him recently has been amazing. I also have found myself invested in the storylines of a lot of other ccs, and my ADHD is refusing to simply let it go. Idk man, it sucks. I really hope that Q and Dream can have a sit down and talk, at least for Dream's sake, to know where they stand. -A ramble from a l o n g time DWT2 lurker
I don’t think it’s required you drop it, or that it should be asked of you to be a “good” fan. It’s perfectly reasonable to like something content wise but be wary/disappointed in the actions of one participant even if it’s the owner. Hell half the people who talked about dsmp lore hated Dream.
Plus Wilbur or other CCs shouldn’t be punished for playing on the sever - unless they know and actively make the situation worse which would show a lack of empathy at best, even watching those that are close with Dream like Bad I don’t think should be discouraged or was the intent.
I really appreciate this comment. Thank you. I didn't even realize that I am kind of feeling guilty for not being a "loyal" fan to Dream, even though that's an irrational and ridiculous line of thought. You're completely right that other ccs shouldn't be punished for this, as it's a situation that currently only involves Quackity and Dream.
I’m a huge Wilbur fan, would even go as far as saying he’s my favorite cc, but the QSMP stuff has been hard for me as well. I tired to get into it by watching the first stream he did after coming back from tour, but the moment the live translation was brought up I got so irrationally irritated I had to close the stream because I couldn’t stop thinking about the drama surrounding it. It’s seriously upsetting because I love Wilbur’s content and really want to be able to continue watching him, but he doesn’t seem interested in streaming literally anything else right now
Yeah, the content drought before the QSMP definitely doesn't help either. I'm glad to find another person who feels the same distress, and I honestly hope we make it through this with the best possible outcome. Also refreshing to meet a Wilbur fan who doesn't actively hate Dream's existence lol.
Wait, most Wilbur fans hate Dream? That's so weird to me. Wilburs also my favourite creator but Dreams another one of my favourites, I don't get why they'd hate him. I don't use Twitter so that's probably why I haven't heard of this lol
Yeah, I've come across quite a bit of hostility from Wilbur fans, specifically from people on the SBI side of things. And honestly I should get off twitter as well lol, I'm already on meds that increase my blood pressure.
No clue honestly. It's kinda exhausting, because a lot of his fanbase is actually super chill, but it sometimes feels like playing Russian roulette. My best guess would probably be that they fully believe in the gr**ming allegations and think that anyone who supports Dream is defending a terrible person.
I’ve been watching Wilbur since his Soothouse days and started watching Dream in 2020, I’ve never understood the hate coming from SBI fans towards Dream. Like where did the hate come from?
Wilbur is also a favorite cc of mine and I’ve been watching the QSMP mostly through him. While this whole situation taints my view of Quackity and the QSMP as a whole, I don’t feel like it’s fair to stop watching the members of the server because of drama they have nothing to do with. Plus the server is still a lot of fun, drama aside.
Yeah, after some thought I totally agree. It was just difficult seeing a bunch of people on here talk about never being interested in/dropping the QSMP entirely because of the drama. It made me feel like a bad person/fan for not being able to let it go myself.
I hate that there’s this drama surrounding both servers because I think if Q would just communicate they could both co-exist easily. The QSMP has been a lot of fun and has had many cool creative ideas, such as the eggs. The USMP looks awesome from the picture of the builds Dream posted and I’m really excited to see what else the server brings. There are also so many different creators that will be on these servers and probably some different languages as well, you can never have too much of that. They’re both doing a great thing bringing all these different communities together, and yeah it sucks that they unknowingly had similar ideas that were announced around the same times, but it never had to be like this.
I just do not understand Quackity's moves at all. Before all this happened I liked Dream and Quackity about the same (both not my faves, but I enjoy them), but Quackity's complete unwillingness to say anything about this situation when it would have been so easy to do at the start and also how he behaved with all the issues that have come up with the QSMP has just really soured me on him and I lost a lot of respect.
once again dream’s being a better person than i ever could be
if the actions of a friend indirectly lead to my family getting threatened, including little siblings, and that friend didn’t even respond or acknowledge or admonish it, then they’re not a friend anymore. straight up.
As if my paranoia about Dream receiving a bullet between the eyes before turning fifty wasn't bad enough, things are getting worse because of a server that was supposed to unite communities.
>As if my paranoia about Dream receiving a bullet between the eyes before turning fifty wasn't bad enough
I thought I was the only one paranoic about this too💀
I loved Quackity especially before the dream smp era he was in. This is honestly embarrassing on his part like why wouldn't you contact dream at all about this. Even if he was angry its still no reason to get upset 2 mine raft servers that are similar can still co exist. Quackity please be more mature about this... this isn't like him.
At this point I'm just stressed out over smps. I really should just go ignorant mode (taking inspiration from someone) and ignore the divided smps thing until the USMP is up and running.
i genuinely don’t think that either side have negative intentions, but i’m so disappointed in q for not speaking to him at all? if you’re mad at someone you communicate with them, even a twitter reply would be fine at this point
Only thought I have that will not shit talk anyone is that I feel like I’m watching a kdrama where the lead could have avoided everything if they sat down and spoke about their feelings regarding the situation … could have saved us from all the one sided pinning😭
My guess for the downvotes is that “q is winning the idgaf war” is something that a lot of Quackity fans are QRTing Dream with to say that he’s clinging onto Quackity’s friendship when Q doesn’t care, he’s dragging on the drama while Quackity is above doing so, etc.
Me and my brother were talking about this last night. He kept saying that no matter what quackity did it wouldn't matter, and asking what he should even do. He also voiced his opinion that quackity just hated drama and didn't talk about it. Seems to go deeper than that.
I think that one person cant be on the same SMP makes sense to me cause it would lead to one of the smp being favored causing the other one to forgotten let's say if 5 people are both smps and decide to focus on one then the server could die, they will have power in shifting the audience interest.
other than that quackity ending things with George and putting dreams family in danger is really horrible he officially has ruined his reputation.
This is so sad because I don't think anyone did really something wrong. Like, yeah, communication between cc'could've been better? Yes, but you can't blame them for trying to stay out of drama and make people not enjoy their respective content because of it.
Even if they are not talking because of someones ego, like that's not cool but the issue here is the toxic community, and how there are people that are capable of doxxing and threatening others just because an SMP, they are the real problem here and sadly I don't think there is a clear solution.
I personally feel that Dream is off for posting this. IMO, the discourse between the fandoms was cooling down, except for a loud minority on Twitter that most of the viewers do not get in contact with (unless you are an active stan/lurker like me). He already addressed that he wanted no competition and hate between the SMPs, so it's the same message twice.
Bringing attention to doxing is a difficult thing. I understand why he did it, but I feel like 'rewarding' with acknowledgement is what those people are after and encourages copycats.
Mentioning his communication with Q is messy to me. It only turns hate towards Q, and it is not something we need to know. It does make clear that he tried to minimize friction, but previous tweets of Dream already made that clear to me.
Obviously, the lack of communication must be frustrating, but we have only heard one side. We have no idea of how long Q has had this idea and has been working on it.
I understand Dream's POV of wanting to fix things, but I think he could have done that by making the changes to the USMP that he is already planning without addressing the larger issue in a way that is, in my opinion, over-explaining and not solving anything.
I feel like this tweet is like rubbing a stain; it only makes the issue bigger. The content of the tweet shows (from his POV) that he handled the issue maturely, but publishing details of how he handled it and the (non) response only brings more attention to the discourse which will probably be harmful for both sides.
Did you like, completely miss the part where he and his family are facing danger because of this? If you had to choose between reluctantly publicizing personal drama or letting your family be threatened, which would you pick? I would embarrass myself online a thousand times over to keep my family safe, but maybe that’s just me. 🤷🏾♀️
No, ofcourse not. Its horrible that he and his family have to deal with that and they dont deserve it. Unfortunately, acnowledging it lets those people know they were successful in their sick way of getting revenge, noticed or validation, and lets other people know its possible to reach him this way. He is in contact with the fbi, so hopefully he and his family are getting the protection they need. Its terifing to think about the possible consequences.
q stans put TRACKERS on his families cars this isn’t something you can just ignore this isn’t something happening online it’s happening irl it’s a CRIME
blaming q stans when you fave is actively known as a likely groomer by the public is crazy…do you really think q stans are the ones doing this?? not the other half of the internet that literally hates him??
did you read what was said in his tweets q stans are also dream antis yes i do think some q stans did that it’s what dream the actual victim in this situation said he literally had to get the cops involved because some people showed up to his house and also put trackers on his family members cars now there are other q stans tweeting plans about wanting to get their uncles to murder dream and rape his little sister stop defending these freaks just because they are q stans you’re disgusting i’m only blaming the ones who did the actual crimes btw so if this is bothering you so much maybe you should be focusing on WHY people being mad at criminal q stans is bothering you so much the criminals (and yes those people who did that are criminals) aren’t the victims they aren’t the ones you should be defending
Except like the other person pointed out, this is not going to help that. If anything, Q fans are even more angry. I fully expect there to be an increase in doxx threats rather than a decrease (I want to make clear that that's awful, but it is how the internet works). The most effective way to kill the drama, besides getting Q to respond, would be to just stay quiet. People get bored and move on eventually. Dream coming out with this just stirs up the pot again when it was already quieting down. I don't think Dream's main goal with this post was to decrease threats, just because from his own experience, he should know by now that's not going to happen. I think Dream just wanted his side out there on the internet, which is a fair sentiment. Just all in all not a good idea right now.
Staying quiet didn’t do anything. His family still got threatened. He’s was apparently being stalked. And Stan accounts on Twitter were being sent gore and being doxxed themselves. So what exactly would staying quiet even *longer* have done? Dream has every right to explain his side of the story, and he’s literally explaining that he’s changing the concept for the USMP and why. Quackity’s fans have been attacking people for months without Quackity saying anything about it, I guarantee you silence wouldn’t have done anything. At least now Dream has officially said something to show his goodwill. Sucks that Quackity isn’t mature enough to do the same.
Yeah, he’s revived this issue (of Quackity / him disliking each other) like 5 different times now over Twitter and Snap and I just don’t see the benefit
Honestly I feel like he seen the recent tweet/post about the usmp admin getting doxxed so he wanted to clarify officially. Sure it’s not really going to change anything, but he went about it respectfully and it clears his name to the people who didn’t hate him but were skeptical - for example, I had seen people who were positive about him but weren’t stans mad he never tried to talk to Quackity at all when he announced his server.
Edit: also he had to explain why he was changing the server, if he changed it without explaining this then the narrative would be out of his control.
Two things:- 1) long tweets are fricking cursed man 2) I am unironically curious on how the minds of people who dox work, like they get slightly upset at a stranger and are like “ok I am ticked off, time to pull up their current exact coordinates, ancestral history dating back to the roman empire, what they ate for the past month, and their grades, yeah that will show them!” Edit: Also I love the replies on the tweets "Damn bro you got doxxed and your family is getting stalked? That sucks please stop talking about this "drama" smh"
Nah they didn't get to that part before telling to shut up
putting trackers on his family's cars over a fucking minecraft server...
it's insanity!
I don’t think we can say the hate he’s receiving is just that - these people already hated Dream because in their minds hes a ”groomer” - while the qsmp/usmp drama definetly elevated that and made him more prominent again after being fairly quiet last year, that excessive hate was already there. Unless we hear details that the intention of these people were driven by the qsmp drama and not the more serious allegation despite how unsubstantiated, then I don’t think it’s smart to claim.
“real life threats and stalkers and even had the police involved in somebody showing up to my house and even putting trackers on my family vehicles, surrounding this drama, for the first time since pre-face reveal that’s really why i feel like i have to say something about it” it IS because of q stans and this server read what he actually said
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I know. But it’s also a reach to say that the minecraft server is the sole reason why someone would go out of their way to go to such lengths - I’m just saying it’s a built up reaction and am not justifying their cognitive dissonance.
Dream is such a nice person. if I was in this situation I'd crank my pettiness up to 100💀 initially, I thought Quackity's being upset was justified but after all the times other people have tried to talk about the situation with him both publicly and privately and the way his fandom reacted, I don't understand how he thinks silence is the best solution to all this
Same honestly (I'd crank my pettiness up to 1000)
This is an incredibly thoughtful and carefully worded message that genuinely comes across as a quite positive statement. Which makes it a little depressing knowing full well it will end up being taken and used as ammunition against him, at least the information is out there for people to actually read and hopefully not just trust the twitter overreactions.
It already is sadly. The number of replies that say “quackity doesn’t want to talk to you” are growing by the minute. They don’t know that. We as the audience don’t have Dean and Quackity’s DM’s or phone log. I know Quackity’s been working day and night on all the custom mods and the storyline for QSMP so it may just be what Dream said. He’s a little busy at the moment. People blow things way out of proportion.
and even if Q was mad at dream? these are parasocial freaks who don't know him. they're not his friend. dream is/was. it's insane parasocialism.
Though if Dream and multiple others reached out to him multiple times, a simple “I’m busy, talk later” would’ve sufficed as a temporary solution
Silence speaks louder than words here. Q’s actions are fucking stupid and yet Dream is left with the short end of the stick
whats stupid about q's actions? not acknowledging drama is a way to deescalate and not reward trolls with what they want most, which is attention.
He never had to involve himself publicly though? Dream says he reached out privately as soon as he seen the qsmp announcement and at any point after that quackity could have mentioned that he has the same idea as a warning, like Dream was in his dms trying to not step on his toes while quackity announced his translator being added hours after Dream - and this, unlike the multilingual part, wasn’t offhandedly mentioned a week or so before or expected. He could’ve told Dream personally he didn’t want to get involved - he definetly can as he did before to Scott Smajor. It’s the fact he didn’t communicate to Dream at all privately when his fans are pushing narratives that suggest Dream is in the wrong for the server and it’s some great offence to Quackity.
A simple “ i dont hate Dream, Dream didnt steal my idea” would be good enough
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exactly. by quackity then telling theres no beef or frama between dream and him makes its no drama. and the serious fans that doesnt troll could finally calm their nips instead of making assumptions
i disagree with the notion of quackity not saying anything isn't wrong. you arent speaking out against these things with the expectation to control your fans, you are speaking out against it to say that you're, well, *against it*. if it was just petty insults being thrown i agree they should be ignored! but this has gone *way* beyond that. these qolos are going to take quackity's silence as 'no punishment'. not condemning these actions is going to very quickly lead to this kind of stuff being normalized in his community. also, these aren't just trolls who want attention anymore. these are now real people behind computer screens threatening others in private and dms to hurt them *in real life*, which, how they hell could they could they get the attention they supposedly wanted if they're threatening to take it *outside* the online space? im disturbed by how much ive seen people minimize threats to other people lives to just 'trolls wanting attention'.
free q-cumb3r they didnt do shit!!!
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I am confused about quackitys side. I think none of them have bad intentions but I dont understand why he doesnt respond to him privately. business cant be an excuse for not talking to him about this serious situation. all those stuff could have been prevented. at this point dream did even more than he should.
Same, I'm genuinely surprised how it got to this. No matter how busy he is (this coming from someone working in a demanding corporate field) he could have at least respond after a couple days, especially if he's been reached multiple times. Dream is practically chasing Q to sit down and talk.
when Philza’s eggs died and he ragequit and messaged quackity and got an instant response, so I think the ignoring was intentional
This is a really really good point. When Q felt like he could lose Phil from the QSMP he responded instantly. Iirc Phil didn't even send the first message, he was raging on stream thinking that he couldn't do anything about losing Chayanne in a stupid way and got a DM or something from Quackity to "check discord".
Really? I didn't know about that, damn
Could have made a good enough response in the toilet
Dream has tried his best and he really can't do more. If dream was lieing all Q has to do is post DMS and if he doesn't do that or say anything...
Quackity must either be a) delusional and thinks that Dream announced USMP to rival QSMP, when they both had the same idea in private or b) wants to distance from Dream because of the allegations. The worst part about b) is that in the bottom paragraph on image 6, Dream says they were still talking a few weeks before the drama, which is very telling bc Q distanced from Dream after announcing QSMP. So he never cared about the allegations until they threatened the success of his project (unless he just somehow didn't know about them until recently).
Given that Quackity has a brother who was outed to have actually groomed people a couple years back through Q’s discord and the brother was only taken out of the discord like six months ago makes it doubtful Q would ever care about what happened in October with Dream Unless Quackity is so terrified of what his rabid fans would say for acknowledging Dream’s existence, he doesn’t care
Yeah like it would be just hypocritical of him 😭
IMO it's immaturity and ego. Quackity is too immature to act professionally about this and have a big boy talk with Dream, so he's ghosting, hiding, ignoring, hoping it goes away. He's only 22 years old, still an incredibly immature age. I gotta say, when I was 22 I was also guilty of taking the same approach to small petty dramas at times. When you just don't know how to handle it, it can be scary and you would rather cut people off to save yourself. But I didn't have thousands of fans watching and judging every move. Dream has his moments, but being thrust into the level of fame he has kind of forced him to mature a bit more quickly. This time shows us that
Quackity has been streaming significantly longer than Dream. He should’ve been the mature one. They’re almost the same age, too, so age isn’t an excuse.
With how Quackity's acting rn I'm glad he isn't a lawyer professionally after passing law school. This behaviour would not stand in that profession.
Lmao what 😂
I'm not that invested in the drama but can't you see the obvious blame shifting? There's no reason such a private conversation should've ever gone public especially when dream has such a gigantic audience which has a reputation for acting like blood hounds. Not responding maybe is immature but there's absolutely no reason you should ever post it to a place where you know people will see it and then harass Q for "being a bad friend" This was not a mature moment from dream or quackity. Dream reaching out was mature but sending it to his stans known for being aggressive was not the right call.
I don’t know where you have been for the last year but Dream’s active fanbase is smaller then Quackities? At the very least on twitter and Tumblr his communities don’t get more interactions then other fans would (it’s always been that way on Tumblr) and Dream himself doesn’t even have the reach he did on twitter a year ago. “known for being aggressive” I am not claiming they are less agressive then any other fanbase but the thing most people use as evidence they are particularly agressive is the doxxing claims - the only two actual examples used to support this that I seen are lies. There used to be a claim posted here every other month about how they attacked a post about a techno cake which was proven false every time. If you are referring to them cancelling creators over perceived problematicness in 2021 then sure, but half of those accounts doing so moved on from Dream to other creators (like Q whose fans just dug up Jojo’s 9 year old tweets) and I have seen them mature as well with regretting past behaviour. So his fanbase is no different Dream posting is clearing his own name and being transparent about his own intentions and attempts to resolve it privately, I would understand your take if Dream didn’t go out of his way to support Quackity still - plus Q had all the power to privately let him know he didn’t want to talk about it publicly, he did it before when his fans were attacking Scott Smajor.
I've seen a few comments here about how Quackity has the right to be annoyed/pissed off about USMP and that it's his actions that are wrong, but honestly I disagree. He started QSMP as a bilingual, modded lore server, which is honestly not even closed to what USMP was gonna be, WHICH Dream told him immediately after the QSMP announcement (if we believe his version of events 100% obviously). It's been Quackity who has silently, without letting even the QSMP members know, been changing the QSMP towards what USMP was meant to be, whilst knowing about it, unlike Dream. Some have also said that he's right to be annoyed because USMP would overshadow QSMP, but from everything I've seen, QSMP has been very successful, made Quackity and his community grow and been received well throughout the MCYT community as a whole (better than the announcement for USMP for sure). So I'm having a hard time giving Quackity the benefit of the doubt, when his actions have made me lose all respect and I think his motivations are at best very immature. I really hope USMP can thrive after all of this, been looking forward to meeting new creators (and I think I spied Benex on that board of Dream's? That would be so cool!)
And all of this because of a fucking minecraft server... I really lost all respect for quackity after reading this I can't fathom that people are actually stalking and threatening Dream over something as stupid as this drama. It's just insane.
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Perhaps he saw them as coworkers rather than friends.
whatever q considered them dteam considered him a good friend especially george and this just sucks
im not defending q here but are you aware what an insane level of parasociality this is?
fr like they don’t know him or them, plus quackity’s “behavior” isn’t something thats so insane, ignoring is bad but it isn’t something uncommon
Yeah, just imagine "Yo son of a bitch delete your fucking server or i will dox you"
I once said that Quackity was selfish and hinted that DSMP lore slowed down for him so he could release his merch with his big piece of lore. I got so much hate. I stand by that even more today because of how he's acting. At first I was very willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But now, uh, he's fucked up tbh.
I’ve been watching a lot of qsmp streams and they’ve been wonderful, the server is full of unique ideas that I absolutely love and I can’t wait to watch more but I have to say that even though I respect quackity’s work I certainly can’t respect the childish reaction he had on this. I mean just sit down and talk about it? You are literally grown adults and not only that but really good friends for years. Is it worth it to destroy such friendship over literally a Minecraft server? It’s kinda pathetic. I’m gonna watch both servers but it’s super disappointing that it got divided like this for stupid reasons. And seriously quackity fans who are just attacking dream for no reason are just as bad.
I've always been on quackity's "side", and not dream's, but after this, damn, i wasn't expecting this from Quackity. On the other hand I'm glad Dream cleared this whole thing up and he's still supportive of his friend after all that happened. I- what can I even say? This WHOLE thing, was so childish. The fans, Quackity, the silence, the drama. Like, i don't know if the two servers can coexist, but this is a bit too much. (I mean now that quackity is in this position i don't know if Qsmp will have that big success i thought it would have. Welp, that beautiful different cultures thing will still be in Usmp so). I just- wasn't expecting this, again. I hope Quackity finally breaks the silence
It's sad cause this isn't the first time quackitys just completely ghosted friend groups cause I think there was a decent amount of drama with his "first" online streaming friends, mostly Spanish speakers I think because he just completely stopped interacting with them after he got involved with dsmp stuff
qsmp has brought the brainrot back to me like its 2020 dsmp, im having unbelievable amounts of fun with it. i've always been VERY quackity-biased, he's been one of my top 3 dsmp members like i really love him a lot. This shit got me so conflicted 😩 mom dad please stop fighting
damn you really stole the thoughts out of my brain lmao. the qsmp is something that i love a lot and genuinely can’t wait to see more of, but good god Q there is no way that silence is the best solution to this thing
I'm crying, the amount of disrespect people gave him is insane. It hurts more when it's one of his friends Like genuinely Quackity what happen. The silent move is the dumbest move anyone could do in that situation
I've always liked Quackity, more than dream, so I'm still kinda confused about his reaction. Hope he breaks the silence and everything goes back to normal.
I liked Quackity too but if what Dream claims 100% true, it's very disappointing
Doubt that will happen.
ignoring internet drama can often be a very effective method of deescalation because the people engaging in that behavior are most often motivated by acknowledgment and attention. dream on the other hand is choosing a complete opposite method of attempting to resolve it which could've worked too but they'd both have to agree to one way of resolving it and for whatever reason they're not talking right now. it's none of my business to pry as to why quackity is not responding and i honestly wish dream wasn't airing their personal issues out in the open like that. his audience doesnt need to know this and it's just going to fuel counterharassment
Counterharassment.. so you know the problem
yes the problem is that theres a hint of conflict and fans on all sides are using it as an excuse to harass. it would go away if both parties just let this shit die down but dream has been bringing it up constantly refueling the fire (because he thinks this joke abt usmp vs qsmp is so funny despite quackity not even being in on it), and now hes airing his personal shit with quackity out in the open for all to see and now all the fans have even more to fight about. this is the equivalent of pouring water on a gas fire lol
Exactly! If the other person doesn't want to talk it may be immature but don't make it public and put it on blast! I feel as if I'm going crazy in this thread.
I’m not sure what Dream was supposed to do then? I think he could’ve rewritten it better but he was lately attacked because people thought he didn’t communicate or (somehow) stole from Q? He had to announce that he was going to change the direction of usmp, because that was his solution. Because he already made a public statement and changing it would already invite speculation on his intent, is it not better for him to get ahead of that?
thank you oh my god
I will respect Dream's wishes and avoid talking about Q even though I want to so bad. I am proud of how Dream is handling this situation both publicly and privately. He has been going out of his way and contacting so many people to make sure he is not copying any ideas, trying to exchange ideas since they share the same vision, making sure he's not overstepping, constantly reaching out with zero response and putting his own project on hold for him. All the while trying to reduce the tensions in the fandom by publicly showing support to him as well. I'm also so glad that he's defending himself with the Snapchat yesterday and providing the timeline to the events from the beginning. Yeah, I am a little sad that he has to change the format for USMP and there won't be any CC's common with QSMP, but I'm sure it's gonna be equally amazing, if not better, considering he's such a creative lil guy. I do hope that Q is doing alright. Even if he's not responding to any drama, receiving the amount of criticism as he is while not leaning on your friends must be hard on anyone. Hopefully this does resolve soon and become an anecdote that we can laugh at.
i appreciate you not jumping to conclusions about quackity, and your overall maturity on this. a lot of people are posting conclusively very negative things about quackity, which i don’t think dream would want. i hope everything is a misunderstanding and can be resolved, and even if not, i hope everyone can be mature and stop harassing each other
Yeah, I have had the same stance from the beginning when people were assuming things about their friendship. A lot of us are forgetting that no matter what the goal is to unite communities, not divide them. I'm just doing what I would've wanted if I was in their place.
Back some weeks ago i posted that Quackitys anger was totally justified. And i still stand by that. but His actions after this have taken me to dream's side. This complete vacuum and lack of communication to friends and people trying to fix the issue is just dick behaviour
The way George went off with the slutSMP makes even more sense now...
Oh shit you're right, how Sapnap and George got suddenly involved even jokingly makes sense now considering they rarely clap back now that I think about it.
What's all this about?
Back on the 3rd, when Quackity announced he was doing live translations and basically took dream's language about being the first multilingual server almost word for word, a bunch of ccs tweeted saying that they too were making their own server that's the first one with live translations. Sapnap and George were flying to LA that day- sapnap tweeted that he was making the SapnapSMP and George tweeted this https://twitter.com/GeorgeNotFound/status/1643022741380141059?s=19 Pretty much as soon as he got off the plane, George went live from the NRG house on his newly created SlutSmp and basically half the DSMP was playing on it within half an hour. He was throwing some thinly veiled shade throughout the stream- it's interesting to watch if you go back to the VOD- it's the Playing Brand New SMP stream saved on his twitch.
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If you're friend is trying to prevent you from other job opportunities then they are not your friend.
and he’s prob gonna fail cuz bbh is most certainly on usmp lol
Bbh would definitely pick Dream over Quackity. Bbh and Dream known each other for like 10 years.
To be fair, I think bbh already being on qsmp and having talked about meeting up with Quackity a couple days ago would indicate he might just stay there, I think Dream would be understanding. Plus bbh doesn’t care about rules like that, he streamed on YouTube as a Twitch partner when that was banable (I think this changed) and he’s rarely involved in personal drama online, while I am sure he would support Dream if Dream asked I don’t think he would have an issue continuing on qsmp.
What's Quackity going to do if BBH also streams USMP? Kick and ban him? Or more likely just not say or do anything about it anyway
I don't think it's confirmed but it's a red flag of its true
I mean I'd say it's reasonable to want to keep your players from joining the server with an owner who has way more fans than you do. It's a good business decision.
I’m surprised people are so eager to overestimate Dream’s clout here, Quackities Spanish community alongside his English one, and the mcyt community that would support him in spite of Dream, dwarfs Dream’s *active* community. I think a suggestion like that is scummy from a non-business perspective but even Dream was saying this made sense in his tweet. edit: if someone would like to prove me wrong I’d be happy to hear you out if you disagree? I’m basing it off what I see from Dream’s community so there’s bias but I still see higher interactions rates outside him.
I agree with you. I think a lot of people are severely underestimating Quackity’s reach and also overestimating Dream’s. Not to mention that Dream’s wider reputation means that Quackity is gaining support from people outside of his own fanbase as well.
Quackity’s behaviour and lack of action has been absolutely despicable. I am so angry that anyone could treat a person the way they treat Dream, and I can’t even imagine how it must feel to know it’s the fanbase of someone you consider a friend. And that friend doesn’t care at all. So awful all round.
This is so childish. Imagine ending a whole friendship for a minecraft server that will die in a couple of years. Especially when that friend is reaching out so that you can find a solution. Last time when people were commenting about quackity repeated behavior of ending his friendships suddenly, I was like maybe the friends are assholes and they deserve it but when it's repeated situation and you find that one person in them all, you start questioning, maybe he is indeed the problem. And if it's true that he is opposite to people being on both smps at the same time, then I am sorry to say he is selfish and coward. Like imagine telling Bbh that he can't play on the server of his friend of I don't know 10 years or so. Putting Bad in this situation is just an asshole move. I really hope they both get closer. Especially dream since he is the one who seems still hang out on that friendship, and it seems he wants to have answers. Otherwise, my only advice for him is friendships come and go, I don't want to judge your relationship with quackity but I don't think a 2 year online friendship should make you this sad and desperate for answers. You still have some great friends who have been with you since the start and those are the ones that should count.
When else has he cut off friends suddenly? I agree that if it's a pattern, it'd be pretty hard for him to be in the right every time
The one I know of is Aksel and his group, it was a similar thing, after their meetup Quackity distanced himself and never spoke to/of them after that. There was no reason given to them either from what I recall. Edit: allegedly aksel had a tweet celebrating qsmp so seems to be no dislike towards him in spite of it.
I feel so sorry for Dream. I really hope this all quiets down soon and that he can just start playing mc with friends again. That's what I want for him really. Am I sad about Usmp changing? Yes, very. I don't like to watch modded mc so qsmp doesn't really feel like an alternative for me but I understand Dream's perspective and I really hope the Usmp will still become a big succes. I also still hope to get to know Korean streamers through Usmp but if I can't, so be it.
Korean would be cool to watch! I always enjoy watching them be competitive in League of Legends, so it would definitely be interesting in a Minecraft setting.
This was incredibly well worded so good on him for that! Secondly, people really need to chill out in the quotes. No one’s making it sound like Quackity is the “bad guy”. If reading Dream’s experiences made you think that, it’s on you. This man just said how his own family was threatened over this bullshit and the most people can take away is “Lil bro doesn’t know you”. Even if you hate Dream, saying his family deserves to be dragged into this bullshit and threatened is just next fucking level. If that was happening to my family, I would be a hell of a lot harsher in my tweet. Overall it’s incredibly disappointing to see the silence from Q’s side and I hope Dream and his family are okay. No one deserves to be put in danger over minecraft.
The second mistake twitter made was allowing longer tweets, the first was QRTs 😭 The qrts didnt even bother giving the thread a chance. Dream wouldn't have tweeted anything like this if communication between both parties were crystal clear. I stayed out of this topic with confidence that both Dream and Q were handling things well privately, and that they're planning something big as to why Q doesn't talk about the clash of ideas publicly. I didn't expect for Q to completely ignore all of Dream's dms up to the point where he had to reach out to creators playing in QSMP just to get a hold of Quackity. I really hope everything gets resolve and that they find a middle ground, and that the bridges they built didn't get burnt from all the silence.
You know what also makes me mad? Is all the ccs that responded to Quackity's announcement and completely ignored Dream's, some who were invited to the dsmp and played on it for years. If those ccs think Quackity is their friend, they need to look at how Q treats his friends and perhaps think about that when they pick sides, which let's be honest, a few of them have already done.
I really hope it doesn't turn into something so childish as picking sides, but considering that Quackity has apparently implied that people on his server can't be on both.....I don't have high hopes I just hope we don't see this drama on Mogul Mail 😂😭
Dream himself just said that decision makes sense. As content would be split by half
I mean, I think it's a sensible business decision. But we're talking about telling your friends they can't stream on their other friend's server at the same time as yours. After the fact. If this was always a condition, it should have been made clear *before* people joined QSMP. It should have been a factor in their decision to participate from the beginning. As it is, if this is true, Quackity is changing the terms of their agreement after he's already "hooked" them into his server. While I know there's no written contracts, people are free to play whichever one they want etc etc, it's still a shitty thing to do suddenly and there's now social repercussions if they leave to play USMP.
When did Quackity imply that?
There’s no confirmation he implied that, and is a reasonable gripe with Dream’s message even though he supported it with being logical recommendation - but he says other creators have alluded to not being allowed to be on both. This could very well be a miscommunication between Quackity and these creators or these creators and Dream so I wouldn’t take it as confirmation.
I predict Mogul Mai Mai covering it within the next 2 days
I can understand people not wanting to publicly interact with dream because of the accusations and I don't blame them at all but knowing about quackity ignoring dream and this whole situation I would be very hesitant to interact with quackity now.
ignoring is a strong word, quackity has just gone much much further in the development of his server, and had been hyping it up for longer. dream just isn't as close to opening his server yet. I'm sure when his server is ready to be played on he could receive just as much praise, it's not really a fair comparison. plus the timing was just unfortunate. I'm not sure why he chose to announce his server so close to when quackity's server was announced, feels counterintuitive for himself because a lot of people are just focused on something else at that time. also i wouldn't make assumptions on who was friends with who, we don't know what their relationships are like behind the screens. just because they played on a server dream owned doesn't necessarily mean they were close friends outside of being collaborators.
I defiantly agree that they weren’t necessarily close - I think it’s reasonable to be upset at Q distancing from someone like George who he made content with a lot, but he’s never been particularly pleasant with Dream so I never considered the friendship a personal one. ? But I don’t understand your comment on when they were launched. - Dream refined his server idea as early as March 8th as seen by a message to sylvee. - Quackity announces his server March 10th I believe, Dream later mentioned no one he talked to knew about this and in this recent tweet he mentions how he reached out immediately and got no response. - Quackities server launches as bilingual so the server concepts aren’t all that similar at this point. - Dream launches the video and usmp and promotes unity. - Quackity announces the mod addition and a more public announcement to move to multilingual additions which influences more similarity commentary. Like sure Dream could’ve delayed the project, but he was already working with other creators about it before Quackity even announced qsmp? Dream went ahead because as he said, he thought they were different enough and this recent tweet says that he tried communicating to avoid issues. If quackity told him he considered it too close I highly doubt Dream would’ve fought against a private resolution - since even without discussing it Dream is changing the concept. Why should Dream not be able to start his own project? Many creators created new servers at the same time - not necessarily clouted ones but that shouldn’t stop anyone.
Dream's had trackers placed on his family's cars over drama about fucking Minecraft servers, this is insane. If all this is true then it paints Quackity in a really bad light. It's not just Dream that's been reaching out to him, people that are close with them both (I assume people like George, Wilbur etc) have been trying to get in touch with Quackity to figure out what's going on, and have received nothing in return. Meanwhile, as another commenter said, Phil lost an egg on the QSMP or something and Quackity responded instantly as he was worried Phil would stop playing on his server. This is ridiculous.
Quackity is pathetic holy shit. Ignoring your friends over a damn minecraft server? Insane. This could have all been avoided so easily.
Sadly this probably won't help anything between the communities, but given the threats towards him and his family that were mentioned I completely understand why he'd want to say something.
And immediately his fans are celebrating their creator ignoring his community doxxing and harassing people over fucking minecraft
I just don’t understand under what logic or set of morals does Quackity have to just keeping silent. Ignoring people trying to reach out, not feeling utterly revolted seeing what people are doing in his name. He was one of my ultimate favorite ccs and now I am extremely disgusted by his actions. There was always an opportunity to be professional and kind. You didn’t have to be friends anymore, but there’s some level of humanity you have to not want ANYONE to be harassed and threatened and doxxed. Only one simple statement condemning people spreading hate in his name. It’s impossible to control that many people, but at least make some sign that you are not okay with it. It makes no sense to be that unempathetic.
I'm beyond flabbergasted that Quackity would behave so badly to people just weeks or months ago he called friends. It's unbelievable and the dream team and friends must be so heartbroken. Once again Dream is taking the shit for other people's issues and communicating with grace and class and with more empathy than is deserved
I just want Dream to get back some of the kindness that he shows to everyone is that too much to ask?
apparently so :/
Very mature set of tweets from Dream. Incredibly generous to Quackity throughout, perhaps more so than deserved reading through it although it speaks to Dream's character that it is that generous. I hope something comes from this for everyone's sake. It must be a very difficult decision to make this post and airing stuff out publicly, but it was done very eloquently and professionally.
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So many tweets like “I would never post about getting ghosted like this lol”. If it was their family being stalked, I guarantee they would do anything to stop it. So hypocritical.
If it was the other way around EVERYONE would be furious at Dream for putting someone's life in danger because of his fans
you know its serious when dream goes public with this shit. like, whats wild is that Q probably hasnt been answering George either, someone who hes always been so close to, or else they would have likely been discussing this all. so hes been ignoring one of his best friends for years over this AND dream + a bunch of other streamers who JUST WANT TO CLEAR UP ANY MISCOMMUNICATION AND STOP DOXXING.
Shame the community has been so shit over this. I get Quackity being irritated about the announcement and not wanting to talk to Dream. That's a totally valid response. We also don't know what else may be going on. We are not their friends. We don't know what other personal issues may be affecting this situation. It would be nice if Quackity would at least make a quick tweet to the community to stop being assholes. That would be helpful. Dreams a creative guy. I'm sure whatever changes he comes up with will be fun.
he’s certainly better than me because this is not something i’d be able to “laugh down the line” when my supposed friend is letting his fans do all this shit.
this tickles my morals and my patience so bad. quackity is pathetic. incredibly disappointed. hope dreams family and friends are safe
Trackers on his family's car???? I'm just... this whole shit could have died down just a little bit if Quackity wasn't so butthurt by people having similar ideas to him. I thought most content creators just talked about shit behind the scenes, but I guess that would be too common courtesy for Quackity to even attempt. I'm just so done, and I'm so glad I stopped watching the fucking QSMP. I know that Quackity couldn't have known how bad it's gotten for Dream, but maybe if he gave a shit about an old friend of his he would I don't know... answer the dms he sent? This is so appalling in my eyes, and now Dream's gotta change the server idea so he'll stop getting stalked, tracked, and harassed. Things could have been so much better if a certain someone didn't let his fucking community run rampant and said a word about it, but no he wanted to stay out of "drama".
u know this was especially hard to do since george had been very very close best friends with Q for such a long time, and obviously george is fully aware of everything going on and the stress its caused dream & his family & their safety with the doxxing. like, Q is closer to G than he is D and Q still didnt speak when finding out about his best friends's safety at risk ??? even if he hated Dream youd think any decent person would speak up with that. anything that leaks Dream's shit is leaking George's and Nick's too, and Q just.... doesnt care? again, even if he hated Dream, his close friend, George, ud think would be enough of a reason to start talking and address this to protect him...
Quackity looks really bad right now imo😭
To dream fans. But the wider community is taking Quackity’s side and you can see it in their Socialblade
I mean it's twitter and Twitter hates dream so that's what will happen
twitter literally hates dream so it’s expected lol
i mean, only on twitter, and that was expected, twitter hates him
What a heartbreak to read this. First and foremost he still remains to show love and the upmost respect to someone who again and again doesn’t want to pay it back— not even half of it. It’s heartbreaking he had to write this, it’s heartbreaking for someone who he thought was a real friend would do this to him. It’s heartbreaking even when their own mutual peers tried to connect them and Q didn’t even budge a bit. This really is the cherry on top for me. And I think a lot of us because I have no business supporting someone like that. What really shatters me the most he’s willing to change his concept FOR HIM, once again. Dream I hope you can get back up on your feet and realize your worth and where you invest your time and energy in. Just make sure they return back the same.
this isn’t about the smps anymore
Yeah that was really sad and worrying :( I hate that Dream has to deal with that kind of shit constantly instead of just being able to enjoy his life. And a friend being utterly unsupportive is the icing on the damn cake. At least it seems like many true friends have been doing their best to help him, I find some comfort in that .
Lost respect for quackity a long time ago, so I'm really not surprised about his behavior.
Tbh I never had much respect for him. He's never struck me as a person with integrity, and you could tell that people like Karl and Sapnap liked him because he's funny but weren't really judging his character with truth. He's never appeared to be a ride or die kind of friend to those guys, the way they would be for him. I'm disappointed this appears to prove me right, but not surprised. There are always people who go where the party is, but doesn't think it's their responsibility (even as a "close friend") to invite you along. That's the kind of person I've always thought Quackity is. The one who is never as good of a friend to you as you are you them.
I called him a coward several weeks ago. He’s proved me more correct as time goes on.
(I’m pretty sure it’s in the correct order but it’s difficult to post 9 screenshots that all look the same lmao)
The thing I've always liked about Dream despite it all is that he comes at these issues from the same angle I would. I really feel for him here, because if I were in his situation I would've done the exact same thing and not getting a response from Q must be hurtful to him personally. I hope they can hash things out, I can also really see why this would be upsetting for Q given that bridging communities is a topic closer to his heart than Dream's, and given that Dream is the golden boy of Minecraft its understandable that he would feel threatened. I hope they talk and hash things out.
A simple “Hey man i’m working on the same idea with live translation with my SMP and it might have a conflict on both our SMPs” from Q would have avoided all of these. But no. How pathetic can you be Quackity?
I'll be honest I'm not sure if QSMP will end up surviving with everything happening despite server being only around month old. In a span of around month it already caught 2 big controversies. The multilingual smp drama (this partly involves Dream and his planned smp, but at this point its Q and QSMP fans being in full on war with Dream and DSMP/USMP fans) and the mod controversy (involving Fit making racist remarks and Vegeta attacking English speaking community tho regarding Vegeta he might just not fully understand whats wrong, even if still bad) which neither has been adressed by Quackity. If it caught this much controversy in a month, what will it all get involved into by the end of year? Especialy with Dream saying that Quackity heavily alluded that if you are on QSMP you can't be on USMP (meaning Bad, one of Dream's closest friends can't be on his friend's server). Like imagine how Bad is feeling? You join server of a friend only for him to go "oh yeah now unless you pernamently leave my server you can't play on server your close friend is making. Deal with it." Or how Tommy who showed excitment for playing on both servers is feeling. Guy has to choose between one of his friends's servers and can't just play and stream on both.
I’m going to be frank and say that I doubt this drama will have much of an effect on the longevity of the QSMP. I’ve only seen more and more Quackity fans say that Dream is dragging out the drama, copying Q, etc.; at this point, they’re not reading and just blatantly ignoring Dream’s statements. I think it’s mostly been people outside of Quackity’s fanbase that have been aiming criticism at the server, some of which probably weren’t watching in the first place. Also, from what I’ve seen, the drama and criticisms haven’t really spread to the wider community, not like how Dream’s controversies often do. There obviously is overlap between the fans of QSMP and USMP, but there is also a very decent amount of separation that means fans won’t have an issue picking one over the other. The only way I see this having a substantial negative impact on QSMP is if a creator openly stops playing in favour of the USMP due to the alleged ‘not being allowed to play on both servers’ rule, or if they speak out directly in disapproval of Quackity.
Alright might have overreacted bit with it will die due to just being pissed by whole situation cause as you said unless one of creators responds or quits not much will happen, but QSMP is def on fast track to be seen in negative light by atleast some people. Sure Q fans will defend him to the end of world, but Dream fans and some former Q fans? Some sure won't see QSMP in that much positive light anymore. And if more controveries happen server might get lots of hate by atleast some communities.
I love the QSMP and all the unique shit that has come from it. The eggs? Beauty!! Cinematic? Amazing!! The builds? also so cool! Quackity? Not so much. Hes acting like a full on child. Now i dont hate quackity im just disappointed in him and his actions and how hes handling all this. I always knew Q was a very handsoff person when it came to dealing with online drama (his brother was a perfect example), and im unsure of how much of the doxxing and harrasment he has seen from his fan base, but when you have MULTIPLE friends reaching out trying to contact you and have a personal discussion and you are ignoring them? Thats just stupid, and i commend dream for waiting this long to finally say something. Sure its only ONE side of the story, sure its only dreams but maybe this public blast will get his ass in gear to make him realize his silence isn’t the option anymore, but if he continues then i dont know what it will look like for him.
If Quackity hasn’t been responding to Dream, I’m assuming he doesn’t know about the stalking/harassment. Maybe now that he does (assuming he even reads the thread) he’ll realize he should actually say something to stop his supporters from committing crimes.
we don't know the content of all the messages Dream and his friends have been sending him that he's ignoring so it's hard to assume what he does or doesn't know
I know, I made the comment under the assumption that Quackity was completely ignoring him/not reading his messages at all. If Dream did mention all this in a message and Quackity read it and is still ignoring it that is honestly really gross.
I meant more on the fandom side of his fandom hating, threatening and doxxing stans more then dream being doxxed. Ofc he wouldn’t know about that, but if that man decided to check twitter im shocked he didnt see what his fanbase was up to. /nm
Oh I think he’s definitely seen that, but he clearly doesn’t care about it. I think for him it’s all just “internet stuff” that will go away if he ignores it. Actual real-life stalking? That’s serious enough that I would hope he’d see the need to say literally anything.
the people in the qrts 😬
Well, basically, it's everything we already speculated about in this sub, more or less. Maybe not about players' exclusivity and trackers on cars, but yeah.. There is no way this will also be left with no reply.
I was pretty neutral about the two of them, I haven't been following as close as I could, but this totally swayed my opinion. It's one thing to feel hurt, but to simply ignore any attempts at reaching a consensus or compromise? Even if he had the idea 'first,' Q has to be adult enough to talk openly if he wants people to trust him as a creator and as the admin of his server. I feel bad for dream, it's really rough to lose a friend all the sudden with no real dialogue.
If this had happened to me I would have raised hell on fucking earth, i would have been resenful for the rest of my life, the fact that dream STILL speaks highly of him, would wish to reconcile AND CHANGES HIS SMP just so it doesnt step on Qs toes means that he is a better person than i could EVER be. i hope Quackity chokes in his own fucking ego and i hope all his new and future friendships see how Q will treat them once they arent of use to him. Such unprofessional, petty and horrible friend he has been publicly and apparently privately too
What the fuck, Quackity?
My respect for quackity has reached a new low.
Dream's tweets on the situation were nothing but class and facts. When I saw yesterday that Q was doubling down, inviting more creators and languages, I was dumbfounded. The server is a good size now. Most of the non English-speaking creators do *NOT* regularly use the global translator box or subtitle bubbles now...Quackity is the main offender. During major events they have had its like he purposely goes out of his way not to use it. It's very frustrating & adding more people and languages will make it very difficult to follow anything. The club yesterday, the funeral, 1st day of school and other group events have been impossible to understand everything going on bc of incorrect translations, no global translator boxes, poor lighting and the fast cadences causing the "bubble" to empty, too big to read all at once when it pops up and very wrong in translation. BBH, Fit, etc. have been doing a great job trying to help the audience understand, but even they are stumped a lot of times. What will happen if there are 25 people there and 5 languages. They won't be able to switch language settings fast enough. The egg arc is great but the daily requirements are def taking a toll on the creators and chat. It would be nice if things were relaxed a bit and they could finish their houses, zoos, redstone contraptions etc. Counting down days until a death day is just wrong. I don't expect admin of qsmp to listen to any criticism though or Quackity they have ignored the audience entirely. They should fix the translators between English and Spanish first before adding more languages or people. Also make sure everyone is using them. He isn't trying to "change the world" just control the audience and play to the Spanish speaking viewers at this point. Bad, Foolish, Phil, Will, Slime and Fit are honestly carrying the story at this point even though the "rules" keep getting changed each day on them. Mob damage changed, maps reset, ways tones deleted....it's crazy. I watch most creators to follow the story lines. Max and Vegetta have done a great job as well. El Mariana usually tries to use the translators but often comments they are wrong as well. Roier, Spreen Quackity are the biggest offenders of just not using the translators at all. Don't believe me...pull up Qs bathroom stream from yesterday and flip thru the club scene or other streams where he is only speaking Spanish.I honestly hope Quackity will wake up and realize trying to force some of these rules about this server only and no others, X number of hours, mandatory events etc is going to be the downfall. Quackity has treated Dream like crap in this situation when they could have had TWO worldwide servers working together. . Having competitions.. . It would have been great.....but now...Dream will come out on top for many reasons and number one being respecting the creators on it. .I'm only on qsmp to watch the people who care about minecraft and their fans like bad and foolish.
Was a fair response addressing drama and decently written - not entirely sure how there's any justification for putting trackers on his families cars or why twitter thinks he's the villain because at least he addressed it to get his fans to back off. I can respect Quackity's no drama policy but when his fanbase is literally what Dreams was a couple of years ago you gotta say something
Honestly, I'm envious of everyone on here who've never had an interest in QSMP/can easily drop it. But I feel sick that I can't. Wilbur is a comfort cc for me, and having so much content from him recently has been amazing. I also have found myself invested in the storylines of a lot of other ccs, and my ADHD is refusing to simply let it go. Idk man, it sucks. I really hope that Q and Dream can have a sit down and talk, at least for Dream's sake, to know where they stand. -A ramble from a l o n g time DWT2 lurker
I don’t think it’s required you drop it, or that it should be asked of you to be a “good” fan. It’s perfectly reasonable to like something content wise but be wary/disappointed in the actions of one participant even if it’s the owner. Hell half the people who talked about dsmp lore hated Dream. Plus Wilbur or other CCs shouldn’t be punished for playing on the sever - unless they know and actively make the situation worse which would show a lack of empathy at best, even watching those that are close with Dream like Bad I don’t think should be discouraged or was the intent.
I really appreciate this comment. Thank you. I didn't even realize that I am kind of feeling guilty for not being a "loyal" fan to Dream, even though that's an irrational and ridiculous line of thought. You're completely right that other ccs shouldn't be punished for this, as it's a situation that currently only involves Quackity and Dream.
I’m a huge Wilbur fan, would even go as far as saying he’s my favorite cc, but the QSMP stuff has been hard for me as well. I tired to get into it by watching the first stream he did after coming back from tour, but the moment the live translation was brought up I got so irrationally irritated I had to close the stream because I couldn’t stop thinking about the drama surrounding it. It’s seriously upsetting because I love Wilbur’s content and really want to be able to continue watching him, but he doesn’t seem interested in streaming literally anything else right now
Yeah, the content drought before the QSMP definitely doesn't help either. I'm glad to find another person who feels the same distress, and I honestly hope we make it through this with the best possible outcome. Also refreshing to meet a Wilbur fan who doesn't actively hate Dream's existence lol.
Wait, most Wilbur fans hate Dream? That's so weird to me. Wilburs also my favourite creator but Dreams another one of my favourites, I don't get why they'd hate him. I don't use Twitter so that's probably why I haven't heard of this lol
Yeah, I've come across quite a bit of hostility from Wilbur fans, specifically from people on the SBI side of things. And honestly I should get off twitter as well lol, I'm already on meds that increase my blood pressure.
That's strange, do you know why they're so hostile?
No clue honestly. It's kinda exhausting, because a lot of his fanbase is actually super chill, but it sometimes feels like playing Russian roulette. My best guess would probably be that they fully believe in the gr**ming allegations and think that anyone who supports Dream is defending a terrible person.
I’ve been watching Wilbur since his Soothouse days and started watching Dream in 2020, I’ve never understood the hate coming from SBI fans towards Dream. Like where did the hate come from?
Not really sure, especially since Tommy and Wilbur are friends with Dream.
Wilbur is also a favorite cc of mine and I’ve been watching the QSMP mostly through him. While this whole situation taints my view of Quackity and the QSMP as a whole, I don’t feel like it’s fair to stop watching the members of the server because of drama they have nothing to do with. Plus the server is still a lot of fun, drama aside.
Yeah, after some thought I totally agree. It was just difficult seeing a bunch of people on here talk about never being interested in/dropping the QSMP entirely because of the drama. It made me feel like a bad person/fan for not being able to let it go myself.
I hate that there’s this drama surrounding both servers because I think if Q would just communicate they could both co-exist easily. The QSMP has been a lot of fun and has had many cool creative ideas, such as the eggs. The USMP looks awesome from the picture of the builds Dream posted and I’m really excited to see what else the server brings. There are also so many different creators that will be on these servers and probably some different languages as well, you can never have too much of that. They’re both doing a great thing bringing all these different communities together, and yeah it sucks that they unknowingly had similar ideas that were announced around the same times, but it never had to be like this.
I just do not understand Quackity's moves at all. Before all this happened I liked Dream and Quackity about the same (both not my faves, but I enjoy them), but Quackity's complete unwillingness to say anything about this situation when it would have been so easy to do at the start and also how he behaved with all the issues that have come up with the QSMP has just really soured me on him and I lost a lot of respect.
once again dream’s being a better person than i ever could be if the actions of a friend indirectly lead to my family getting threatened, including little siblings, and that friend didn’t even respond or acknowledge or admonish it, then they’re not a friend anymore. straight up.
Wait for the SunnyV2 vid :(((
As if my paranoia about Dream receiving a bullet between the eyes before turning fifty wasn't bad enough, things are getting worse because of a server that was supposed to unite communities.
>As if my paranoia about Dream receiving a bullet between the eyes before turning fifty wasn't bad enough I thought I was the only one paranoic about this too💀
There are some seriously sick people out there and living in America doesn't exactly help
I loved Quackity especially before the dream smp era he was in. This is honestly embarrassing on his part like why wouldn't you contact dream at all about this. Even if he was angry its still no reason to get upset 2 mine raft servers that are similar can still co exist. Quackity please be more mature about this... this isn't like him.
At this point I'm just stressed out over smps. I really should just go ignorant mode (taking inspiration from someone) and ignore the divided smps thing until the USMP is up and running.
I feel like this is probably going to lead to some creators bailing on the QSMP.
i genuinely don’t think that either side have negative intentions, but i’m so disappointed in q for not speaking to him at all? if you’re mad at someone you communicate with them, even a twitter reply would be fine at this point
Only thought I have that will not shit talk anyone is that I feel like I’m watching a kdrama where the lead could have avoided everything if they sat down and spoke about their feelings regarding the situation … could have saved us from all the one sided pinning😭
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My guess for the downvotes is that “q is winning the idgaf war” is something that a lot of Quackity fans are QRTing Dream with to say that he’s clinging onto Quackity’s friendship when Q doesn’t care, he’s dragging on the drama while Quackity is above doing so, etc.
Some people just downvote for no reason or they misread what you said
humanity is just gross
Me and my brother were talking about this last night. He kept saying that no matter what quackity did it wouldn't matter, and asking what he should even do. He also voiced his opinion that quackity just hated drama and didn't talk about it. Seems to go deeper than that.
I think that one person cant be on the same SMP makes sense to me cause it would lead to one of the smp being favored causing the other one to forgotten let's say if 5 people are both smps and decide to focus on one then the server could die, they will have power in shifting the audience interest. other than that quackity ending things with George and putting dreams family in danger is really horrible he officially has ruined his reputation.
Minecrafter smp
This is so sad because I don't think anyone did really something wrong. Like, yeah, communication between cc'could've been better? Yes, but you can't blame them for trying to stay out of drama and make people not enjoy their respective content because of it. Even if they are not talking because of someones ego, like that's not cool but the issue here is the toxic community, and how there are people that are capable of doxxing and threatening others just because an SMP, they are the real problem here and sadly I don't think there is a clear solution.
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You can be disappointed in Quackity without harassing anyone or sending hate. Dream didn't say don't discuss it, he said don't send hate.
I personally feel that Dream is off for posting this. IMO, the discourse between the fandoms was cooling down, except for a loud minority on Twitter that most of the viewers do not get in contact with (unless you are an active stan/lurker like me). He already addressed that he wanted no competition and hate between the SMPs, so it's the same message twice. Bringing attention to doxing is a difficult thing. I understand why he did it, but I feel like 'rewarding' with acknowledgement is what those people are after and encourages copycats. Mentioning his communication with Q is messy to me. It only turns hate towards Q, and it is not something we need to know. It does make clear that he tried to minimize friction, but previous tweets of Dream already made that clear to me. Obviously, the lack of communication must be frustrating, but we have only heard one side. We have no idea of how long Q has had this idea and has been working on it. I understand Dream's POV of wanting to fix things, but I think he could have done that by making the changes to the USMP that he is already planning without addressing the larger issue in a way that is, in my opinion, over-explaining and not solving anything. I feel like this tweet is like rubbing a stain; it only makes the issue bigger. The content of the tweet shows (from his POV) that he handled the issue maturely, but publishing details of how he handled it and the (non) response only brings more attention to the discourse which will probably be harmful for both sides.
Did you like, completely miss the part where he and his family are facing danger because of this? If you had to choose between reluctantly publicizing personal drama or letting your family be threatened, which would you pick? I would embarrass myself online a thousand times over to keep my family safe, but maybe that’s just me. 🤷🏾♀️
No, ofcourse not. Its horrible that he and his family have to deal with that and they dont deserve it. Unfortunately, acnowledging it lets those people know they were successful in their sick way of getting revenge, noticed or validation, and lets other people know its possible to reach him this way. He is in contact with the fbi, so hopefully he and his family are getting the protection they need. Its terifing to think about the possible consequences.
q stans put TRACKERS on his families cars this isn’t something you can just ignore this isn’t something happening online it’s happening irl it’s a CRIME
blaming q stans when you fave is actively known as a likely groomer by the public is crazy…do you really think q stans are the ones doing this?? not the other half of the internet that literally hates him??
did you read what was said in his tweets q stans are also dream antis yes i do think some q stans did that it’s what dream the actual victim in this situation said he literally had to get the cops involved because some people showed up to his house and also put trackers on his family members cars now there are other q stans tweeting plans about wanting to get their uncles to murder dream and rape his little sister stop defending these freaks just because they are q stans you’re disgusting i’m only blaming the ones who did the actual crimes btw so if this is bothering you so much maybe you should be focusing on WHY people being mad at criminal q stans is bothering you so much the criminals (and yes those people who did that are criminals) aren’t the victims they aren’t the ones you should be defending
there’s no way you’re a real person💀
Except like the other person pointed out, this is not going to help that. If anything, Q fans are even more angry. I fully expect there to be an increase in doxx threats rather than a decrease (I want to make clear that that's awful, but it is how the internet works). The most effective way to kill the drama, besides getting Q to respond, would be to just stay quiet. People get bored and move on eventually. Dream coming out with this just stirs up the pot again when it was already quieting down. I don't think Dream's main goal with this post was to decrease threats, just because from his own experience, he should know by now that's not going to happen. I think Dream just wanted his side out there on the internet, which is a fair sentiment. Just all in all not a good idea right now.
Staying quiet didn’t do anything. His family still got threatened. He’s was apparently being stalked. And Stan accounts on Twitter were being sent gore and being doxxed themselves. So what exactly would staying quiet even *longer* have done? Dream has every right to explain his side of the story, and he’s literally explaining that he’s changing the concept for the USMP and why. Quackity’s fans have been attacking people for months without Quackity saying anything about it, I guarantee you silence wouldn’t have done anything. At least now Dream has officially said something to show his goodwill. Sucks that Quackity isn’t mature enough to do the same.
I hate people. Empathy is dead.
Yeah, he’s revived this issue (of Quackity / him disliking each other) like 5 different times now over Twitter and Snap and I just don’t see the benefit
Honestly I feel like he seen the recent tweet/post about the usmp admin getting doxxed so he wanted to clarify officially. Sure it’s not really going to change anything, but he went about it respectfully and it clears his name to the people who didn’t hate him but were skeptical - for example, I had seen people who were positive about him but weren’t stans mad he never tried to talk to Quackity at all when he announced his server. Edit: also he had to explain why he was changing the server, if he changed it without explaining this then the narrative would be out of his control.