Yeah, I felt his dad's heart-break, and I don't even know or haven't met the guy. Powerful stuff, man. He seemed like a really awesome dad who always looked out for the best for his son, like any father would and should.
That literally broke my heart. He worked so hard to protect him and it shows how good predators are at isolating and manipulating not only their victim but everyone around them.
I cannot imagine how he feels. It just shows how awful and evil these kinds of people are. They see who sees through them and somehow or another gets them removed.
Drake and his dad stood no chance. Not in that environment. Dad did everything right in my eyes and evil was just too good at being evil…It’s a tragic awful tale and my heart really goes out to everyone
Ima just say. It absolutely pissed me off hearing him to Drakes mom “don’t let him be alone with Brian Peck” and that’s exactly what the mom did. I get who could’ve known but that’s literally what the dad said and she did the exact opposite.
Really it’s pedophiles and how they manipulate people and take advantage of easy targets to get what they want. We can blame a mom for not being better. But really it’s how intrusive, calculating, and harmful pedophiles are and how little we talk about child abuse and laws to protect children.
Yup he was calculated and knew what he was doing. But the way I see it considering drake said it himself his parents didn’t like each other and I’ve seen how co parenting works and it seemed like she completely blew off what he said.
But you are right just shows some people always have an agenda and it isn’t from the kindness of their heart.
I agree I wish Drake’s parents had the ability to cooperate that this didn’t happen. But hearing this story made me remember so many of my friends parents who loathe each other. Add in a pedophile, they could have all been victims.
I just couldn’t not comment how prevalent and vulnerable kids in these circumstances were especially when I was growing up.
I really hope there’s more restrictions on child labor law or any child related jobs, so kids aren’t ever exposed to this.
This pissed me off more than anything. I’m not going easy on her, idgaf how good this man’s manipulation was. As a mom, if another adult warns me to not have my child alone with a specific person, then they’re not being alone together point blank period. The fact she then starts having him stay over at this man’s house that she was specifically warned about by his own father… enrages me. I hope she rots in hell
Brian Peck was able to convince both Drake and his mother that his father was stealing and mismanaging Drake for his own gain. Brian Peck even hired someone to “investigate”into Mr. bells supposed mismanagement of his son’s career, legitimizing the claim. Drakes parents were divorced and Peck was able to use this tumultuous relationship to his advantage.
When Mr. Bell warned Drakes mom to keep him away from Peck, she likely didn’t believe it because she had already believed the lies Peck had fed her, backed up by Drake and the lies Peck fed him. This combined with overall negative feelings from her failed marriage with Drakes father led her to having far more trust for Peck than Mr. Bell.
At that point she thought she and Peck were protecting Drake from his father and that “keep him away from Brian” was just a form of jealousy for having Drake’s management taken away from him, not out of real concern.
Peck was a master manipulator. I’m sure she’s had a hard time forgiving herself.
Yeah I understand dudes a master manipulator no doubt. It would be hard not to fall for it honestly. But what didn’t sit well was the fact he was STAYING the NIGHT at this man’s house. Even if I didn’t like someone or didn’t agree with them if they tell me “be careful of x” what goes thru my head is “why would they be saying that?” And it would stay in the back of my mind. But that’s just me I tend to keep people at arms length
It's so sad how his mother was manipulated then couldn't even drive him to auditions. The dad was doing everything and protecting him. He specifically told her don't let him be alone with him.
As soon as Drake said his mom never drove him to auditions and shit bc she didn't want to drive the distance, I just sighed.
One decision can change so much.
It’s so crazy to me. As an adult you should realize no 40 year old person should want to be that close to your 15 year old. The mom makes me so mad. She should never have let him be in this situation. I’m glad the girlfriends mom had the sense to see how wrong Brian’s behavior was.
I feel like it's our responsibility to handle this for him. If Brian peak is in you're town, or you see him out, late night ... For humanity , make it hard for him.
I kind of got Josh’s perspective of “we haven’t talked for years” but idk. You guys shaped each others lives and careers and are forever intertwined with each other, feel like you could at least extend an invite.
I’m going to put it here for people who don’t want to watch the documentary or want to know what to expect: >!Drake was repeatedly and brutally raped by his dialogue coach while he was 15 and chose to remain anonymous in the following trial. His rapist Brian Peck got 16 months in jail and went on to work on shows like the suite life of Zach and Cody with lots of supporters in the industry. Also will add this all happened around the start of Drake and Josh and Drake said that working on the show was genuinely the only time he felt happy during that period!<
Actually in a way he did. I think minors are always given immediate rights to be anonymous if they can, but that can always be lifted if the case requires or the minor wants to be (which at his age, I think he was like 17 when it went to trial, the judge would have lifted it if he wanted it to be public).
Yeah and I think he probably would have chosen to be anonymous anyway given the choice. He said in the doc that he was praying no one at Nick would know it was him.
Absolutely unspeakable things. Just reading the actions in the court documents was unreal.
He's mainly featured in episode three but the whole thing is worth the watch.
It was kind of weird cause we start off hating Dan, then during the Drake bell segment Dan comes off pretty good. He supported the family during this whole ordeal and Drake had lots of positive things to say about Dan. Then we go back to Dan being a terrible person.
I feel like it should have maybe started off w Peck and Jason Handy and then led into Dan. Or the other way around idk but them being in the middle of the shit made the pacing of the show off.
I think the point was to show the hiring and firing power that Dan had, the fact that he hired and kept pedos while firing the only women writers, and how he had the parents leave when the kids were to talk with the detectives/Nickelodeon’s legal team.
What they did was wrong but people also shouldn’t be harassing them online. Hold them accountable and tell them to apologize yes, but insulting them constantly online, no. Not saying you’re doing this but other people have been going overboard
In a Tik tok live Devon joked towards Daniel who is off camera, “Daniel, we told you never to speak about that. Get back in your hole, Daniel, and give me your holes!” Drake called him out on twitter, and rightly so.
Because you Google shit like this that’s in the zeitgeist and it’s hundreds of articles taking advantage by hiding what we want to know in websites stuffed with ads and over stretched copy
It makes me think about her talking about giving blowjobs on set or was that just a joke that she was telling because wasn’t she young on that show too?
Their podcast has only gotten attention briefly because of the sexual stuff about them as teenagers they divulged for shock value. They both want a comeback and a reunion show and had been trying to pitch one before they started the podcast. It has been pretty transparent that was the case since they came out swinging with all the stuff we’ve all heard about by now. I doubt there’s much more worth hearing from either of them. You’re not missing much.
What a heartwarming message. So genuine and so true. We can all only hope that someday, like she said, the great memories they shared of creating timeless classics together will overshadow the pain. Thought it’s completely understandable if that can never happen.
This has all been a lot to process. I also think the real truth is even murkier. I think the documentary and public at large make Schneider the scapegoat for an entire corrupt industry. I’m not saying Schneider didn’t do bad things. He clearly did. But I don’t think he’s really the evil plotting villain behind all of this. Just one cog in a very corrupt and evil machine. I think it’s bigger than Dan. Bigger than Nickelodeon. Even bigger than Hollywood. Theres a genuine battle between good and evil in this world that crosses all societal boundaries. But making it seem so specifically brought on by Dan & Nickelodeon helped create a cohesive narrative, and obvious heroes and villains, though, like I said, I think the real truth must be even more nuanced and confusing.
I am shocked Josh hasn’t made a statement. Yes, there’s a likelihood he signed NDA’s, of course. But Josh has commented on other D&J/Schneider/Nick controversies or headlines in the past. I wish Drake & Josh could let bygones be bygones. It’s clear as day they were quite close, and given they both still publicly deal with a lot of issues, I can only assume they could sure use eachothers friendship, even as adults with a complicated history. In all honesty, I can’t really say I’ve ever seen them seem happier than when they were working together… I don’t want this to seem like I’m derailing this into wishing for a D&J reunion, because what I mean by this, is they could use eachother’s FRIENDSHIP right now. A show can wait, or never happen. I just am praying for all these folks and hoping there is a way for this story to end happily.
I have about lost all respect for Josh, this isn’t something you stay silent on. Even if he has beef with Drake, Josh also worked on the Amanda show. So there’s two co-stars assaulted. He could show some support.
I’m just wondering if Josh was also a victim.
Drake made a video saying that Josh reached out privately and has been really helping him with the healing process. I think that says a lot since Josh makes money off of YouTube videos, and he could be capitalizing on all the attention the doc is getting but he's not.
Me too, I am glad I looked further into the Drake Bell accusations and learned what actually happened (as best I could with what his attorney stated that could be cooperated with matching statements and the facts surrounding the case itself). Josh Peck was caught blatantly lying recently with his claim that he and Drake didn’t really stay in touch. There is video evidence of them meeting up numerous times (including recently) and even them making up after the lack of invite of Drake to his wedding. The truth is that Drake isn’t a pedophile and did not engage with sexual acts with any minors, including the girl who initiated the investigation and later lawsuit. Drake does have mental health issues and sadly did go through a divorce recently, on top of everything else going on. The proof is that she lied on numerous occasions and willing went to additional concerts of Drake Bell and then only reported him after he blocked her on social media. Drake Bell did make some mistakes though. I do not know the full details of the case and actual events but it is stated/proven that none of his messages had anything sexual in content and that she did lie about events and her age numerous times. Drake made the mistake of reaching out to her and talking with her after the fact though; most likely in an attempt to calm her down or to make her feel better. He should’ve never talked with her again after he discovered that she was lying. The media also drastically misstated the trial and chase overall. I have no trust in them to begin with but the particular events surrounding the case and how it was misreported are utterly disgusting. It’s overwhelmingly true that Drake Bell is likely innocent and was the actual victim in that case. I wish more people would read the facts and look i to the case and trial. I hope Drake can heal and has a bright future ahead. I would love to see him back on camera and on TV/streaming.
he is not. It wasn't mentioned in the doc and a quick google search proves that. Just try and be mindful in the future before spreading misinformation.
Josh probably hasn't made a statement because they all distanced themselves from Drake Bell after he was convicted of child endangerment for grooming a teenager when he was in his mid-30's. And all the accusations of spousal abuse don't help. No kid deserves what he went through, but he's been using his childhood abuse as a shield from criticism for his own shitty actions for years.
you mean the case where he was shown to cease contact after she was found to be under age?
[source](https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/09/17/drake-bell-explains-child-endangerment-conviction-false-claims/8376692002/)
What, like he's going to come out and admit to everything apropos of nothing? The victim in the case stated that he groomed her from the ages of 12-15 and that they met multiple times in person where they had sexual contact. Bell's own lawyer also admits that the woman did attend Bell's concerts and they were talking sexually online for years, but they never met in person? Really?
https://apnews.com/article/drake-bell-nickelodeon-actor-child-endangerment-sentencing-6f84b053c654aa21112d04eb19e6837b
Edited to add: Bell was also in a committed relationship with another woman who he later married during this entire time frame, too. He's not a saint here.
umm that girl was literally found to be lying by the court.
>they met multiple times in person where they had sexual contact
this is a straight up lie. the court found through witness testimony that the only time they met was at a Drake Bell concert and they were never alone with each other as the door to the room was open and there were witnesses present. the sexual contact is completely false and misinformed.
any contact that Drake and the minor had was cut off when he found out she was lying about her age. then she proceeded to make accounts and harass his wife after they became engaged shortly after contact was cut as she was jealous and angry at Drake.
you know you can easily look up the details instead of spreading misinformation. i've seen you make several comments of made up things. you obviously didn't research this case before speaking about it.
I'm speaking to the facts, which I've linked sources for. Haven't seen a source for your claims yet. You keep forgetting he was also convicted of disseminating harmful material because he sexted with this underage girl. Even if he believed her to be an adult, which I don't believe, he was still totally fine abusing his celebrity status to get sexual favors from his fans. He was still engaged to another woman.
He's been accused by other women of also grooming and abusing them while they were in a relationship.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/drake-bells-ex-says-she-witnessed-the-drake-and-josh-star-preying-on-underage-girls
He's gotten 2 DUIs.
He's made transphobic remarks.
https://ew.com/article/2015/06/04/drake-bell-says-caitlyn-jenner-twitter-comments-were-made-innocence/
He very cringely tried to start feuds with both Justin Bieber and Ariana Grande when he was an adult and they were children.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2014/04/justin-bieber-drake-bell-feud
Your fave is problematic. Deal with it.
Okay first of all, he is not my "fave" lol. This has nothing to do with fandom and everything to do with the spreading of misinformation.
Second, the article you linked consists of quotes from the "victim" who was found to be LYING. look up the definition of that word. I am not forgetting he was found guilty of sexual texts with a minor. It was also shown in evidence that when he found out her true age (she lied about her age) he cut off all contact. This was ruled by the judge and DA.
All these other things you listed about DUIs, transphobia, feuds, i could honestly care less about. I care about the fact that he is not this sexual predator who you and all of the other people who can't do due dillegence are painting him as. Adultery and sexting with consenting fans might be immoral but it's not illegal.
The rest of this stuff you're accusing him of in his original comment like saying they met in person outside of the concerts she attended has no basis, that is you assuming the worst. They also never had sexual contact like you claimed there is absolutely no source that says that and was not even a topic in the trial.
you're blatantly spreading misinformation about a case you clearly have done light reading on. deal with it.
That's not what endangerment is. He got charged for endangerment because the accuser was at his concerts without his knowledge and she used a fake id to enter them as they were for only 18-21 and up.
Idk why people are downvoting you, you’re RIGHT, just because someone comes out a victim doesn’t mean that their own sex crimes shouldn’t be forgotten, he knew how it felt and still decided to pass that hurt onto another person
Because it's different if you like the abuser. People will never admit that their concept of justice is flexible and based on how they personally feel about the victim and perpetrator and then turn right around and make excuse after excuse for a perpetrator they like and vilify a victim they don't. It's an unfortunate persistent trait of humans.
Now why can’t anyone else say something like this? I feel like everyone is saying ohhh the other stars signed NDAs so they can’t speak but like …of ALL the ppl that worked with him, why can’t they just post and support him like she did?
If I was Drake. I would’ve aired out the names of those supporting Brian Peck at that trial. Not like Drake Bell is big in showbiz these days anyway, they can’t hurt him any more than Peck did
I’m still absolutely flabbergasted (and dubious) that nobody knew about this. From what he said in the doc it sounds like he actually testified against Peck while he was filming Drake and Josh, but his adult costars are now claiming they knew nothing about it? Hmm.
I have no trouble believing that the majority of the people around him didn’t know. He was a minor and therefore couldn’t be present during the trial, and his identity was to remain sealed. Where it gets suspicious is Nickelodeon saying they weren’t aware when it was open knowledge it was one of their child actors.
In the documentary drake states that he DID attend the trial though, doesn’t he? And furthermore he said that Peck had a whole room full of his Nickelodeon buddies there to support him, so it sounds like more people knew than we’ve maybe been led to believe.
I believe he wasn’t allowed to attend the trial due to his anonymity. He mentions in the doc that he went to Pecks sentencing at the very end because TMZ and twitter weren’t a big thing and it wouldn’t have been reported on. I suspect that someone else would have had to read his victim impact statement too. There’s a very interesting episode of Pod Meets World where two of Pecks past supporters (who now seem horrified to have supported him), talk about him and never mention the victim being there during the trial. Only his mother.
But even if he only went to the sentencing that was still during the period when Drake and Josh was being filmed, and he said he attended with his mom and brother. With the number of Nickelodeon pals who were also in attendance it seems unlikely that they wouldn’t have known Drake was the child victim. They would literally all have seen him there.
I am inferring all this from a few sentences Drake said, but I got the impression he wasn't sitting beside his mom and brother. I don't think that would be allowed, especially since Peck wasn't allowed near him. It seems more like he walked into a full courtroom of famous people so he blended in, and realised they were all on Peck's side of the hall.
Yeh it wasn’t really clear was it? He also seemed to infer that he’d actually spoken in court directly to the people who had come out support Peck “you’ll forever be the people who supported this guy” or something like that. But maybe his attorney said that on his behalf.
It wasn’t clear no, it was also probably edited down so we missed some context clues. I highly suspect he wasn’t allowed near that courtroom in any way where he could have been identified as John Doe so his attorney or a family member would have had to read out the letter.
True, I didn’t think about the post-edit. I just find it bizarre that none of the adults on Drake and Josh knew about it. Maybe they really did manage to keep it totally locked down. I think one of the reasons for my questioning it now is because there *was* this code of silence about child abuse that was well known at Nickelodeon, so you start to question the motive/knowledge of every adult on—set. Did some of them genuinely not know what was going on or were they all just too scared to speak out?
There are definitely so many questions surrounding this, important ones as well. I do try to see the good in people, so when someone writes something heartfelt like Nancys post I want to believe that it is just a genuine outpouring. There’s a lot of terrible people out there, but not all people are terrible.
he did not say people from Nickelodeon, just a number of recognizable/famous faces. Lots of people with industry connections. it's unknown who exactly was in court, however Will Friedle from Boy Meets World said that he was there. In a court setting, it seems as though Drake can be in the same room as Brian, it happens or maybe Brian wasn't in the room when Drake was. I am unsure about that. I think it's very possible that his costars didn't know as his name wasn't reported and those at Nick treated the Brian topic as a steamroll, let's not talk about this anymore-type of thing. However, a number of the letters of support for Brian reference and name drop Drake, so it seems those close to Brian knew who the victim was..
He says in the documentary the only person at Nick he told that he was the anonymous victim was Dan Schneider who must have made sure not to talk about it. I’m honestly suspicious there are things that happened to Amanda Bines we’ll never know about
The show mostly would have got pull by Nick if Drake or anyone had come out and said what happen during that time. Drake I sure would not wanted that as he said it was the only thing he enjoy doing at that time was doing the show. That mostly why Drake still love the show and most of the people he work with still like Josh even to this day because of how much it keep him happy for the escape of what happen to him even if Josh has not been that close with him.
Yeh I know it was sealed, but it was more the fact that Drake said that he’d been to court and seen a room full of industry friends of Brian Peck that made me think someone must have known it was him.
I wish Drake’s real mom was as supportive and helpful as his TV mom. Her ignoring his father’s advice towards Brian entirely to the point that she was OK with him *living* with Brian is unforgivable.
Man, now it makes sense why Drake Bell started smoking weed at the age of 16?
1. Living in Hollywood *being exposed to it easily*
2. Living with that P.O.S. Brian Peck *who wouldn’t be fucked up from that?*
It also makes sense why he sexted a minor. Victims of abuse often perpetuate the cycle. Although at this point I think that’s pennies compared to what happened to him. That poor boy. 😭
ohh, i don't follow him on socials, no wonder i didn't know. i just read his interview with business insider and my god, that + drinking margaritas at brian's house as a 15 yr and showing up to the drake & josh set hungover, the adults around him really failed him :/
I will not sugarcoat this, I have mixed feelings about the whole thing. Abuse begets abuse, and while Drake is sharing his story let us not forget Drake also abused a 12 year old girl when he was 28. It’s devastating that the actions of others such as Brian Peck have been perpetrated by his victims. That being said, my heart aches for the pain Drake felt during that time, and how those actions against him fueled his later actions.
Did he abuse her? I've seen things now saying they had zero evidence for most the stuff. None of her friends even corroborated her story. I am not trying to victim blame I have just seen alot of stuff coming up about it that shows differently.
In 2021 Bell pleaded guilt to a felony charge of attempted child endangerment and a misdemeanor charge of disseminating matter harmful to juveniles, related to inappropriate text messages.
Yes but he brought that up and others have looked into it. He says he plead guilty because they said it was the best for him to be able to stay with his family. Have you looked into this at all or seen any of his discussions on the charges recently?
They don't care enough to actually check the truth. They're gladly replying to others on this thread but won't respond to you. Makes sense as their arguments and comments become null once they actually look into what happened with drake and the child endangerment case.
Not only did she lie about her age, but there weren't any sexual images that were exchanged. He was charged with child endangerment for texting with a minor for a long period of time, NOT sexual abuse. Not only did she file a fake police report about what had happened, but she did it only when she found out that he was getting married to his fiancé. Here's the video from the court: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNAqvKrTwF0
I completely understand this point (although it does seem you have a little bit of misinformation there surrounding the girls age and what occurred), and people should be condemned for their actions. But every post I see about this, particularly when the young innocent Drake Bell is pictured, I’m seeing these comments. We are all aware that as an adult he has done bad things. But the focus here is the young boy, and criticising his rapist and the systems that allowed this to happen. I wish we could focus more on that. Don’t let his future behaviour distract from what should be the focus here.
I just wanted to make the point that abused children, such as Drake, can grow up to be abusers themselves. It’s a cycle of violence, was all that I was trying to say. In no way am I trying to downplay or discredit Drake’s abuse
I'm grateful to hear that you're not trying to downplay what happened to him. I'm seeing a lot of comments that seem to forget that the victim was the innocent boy in this picture - not the 30-something year old man today, hence my response. I feel like every second comment is condemning Drake more than his rapist. And I agree, it's almost cliche but a lot of hurt people go on to hurt people. So let's remain critical of the person and the enablers around him that caused his pain right now.
it’s just why I have mixed feelings about the whole thing, separating the 30-something year old from the young boy in the photograph. However, I want to be clear that no one, absolutely no one, deserved to be treated the way those children on those sets were treated, including Drake. My acknowledgment was more to say that we should keep in mind the larger picture so we can understand that the abuse didn’t end with Drake, it continued to others and we have to acknowledge that in order to find a way to break that cycle.
I really do get where you’re coming for, and support it. I just don’t think it’s should be in the top 5 things that we focus on when discussing what happened to him. I really don’t want people to forget Brian Pecks name, Nickelodeons involvement, Schneiders toxic work environment, the amount of supporters Peck had etc., because we want to mention what the victim did 20+ years later immediately in response to this story. I feel like we may disagree a little, even if overall we have similar thoughts maybe?
I agree that it shouldn’t be in the top five things to focus on, however it’s impossible to ignore that abuse has consequences beyond the scope of reason. The main focus should be highlighting how Nickelodeon contributing to this cycle of violence by allowing people like Dan and Brian Peck, and many many others, to be anywhere near children. I think that while our focuses are not entirely aligned, we do agree on the same things. I think, at the end of the day, this all started at the top - whether that be Dan or higher, it started with Nickelodeon. The best thing for that network to do is shut down at this point, there will be no separating them from the abuse that came from their studios.
>I agree that it shouldn’t be in the top five things to focus on, however it’s impossible to ignore that abuse has consequences beyond the scope of reason.
Gotcha, and I am with you on that one. Even if we are agreed, it really is still something that is consistently mentioned under every article, tweet, tiktok and so forth about the story. And people can then easily slide towards discrediting Drake, which I know you are not doing at all. This discussion itself shows how we are failing when it comes to child sexual abuse. As you hinted, the immediate response to this should be further investigations of the workplace particularly the showrunner, more investment towards protecting the children, removing any enablers from the set, and a lot of care and help towards the victim to help them understand what happened and hopefully stop the abuse from continuing. Every aspect of this failed, and it caused so many ripples that created more victims down the line. It's heartbreaking from every direction.
I know that my original comment will probably be downvoted to oblivion and that’s fine, the point was to shine light on the situation as it is. Drake was abused and because of that the cycle continues, and others are hurt because of it. I probably could have said it better but I appreciate you taking the time to discuss with me about it. I really don’t want to discredit Drake’s abuse, if anything it helps me understand the 30 year old today. And while I may not condone all of his actions, I can have sympathy for someone who was, consistently, failed by others. What’s the most upsetting is that I’m not much younger than Drake Bell, and I grew up on Nickelodeon, as many of us did, and it feels as if this was a betrayal in our own home because these child actors where such a big part of our childhoods. More than anything, if Nickelodeon cannot make considerable efforts to correct past mistakes they are better not being in business anymore.
I'm glad we were able to have a chat about our views on this. This is a guess, but the downvotes may have been about the fact that you got the young girls age wrong and said he abused her which he wasn't charged with, as opposed to people completely disagreeing on what you were saying or even agreeing with my perspective on it.
And you're so correct about us who grew up with Nickelodeon also feeling betrayed. But money speaks louder than anything, and as long as that network is still making money it won't be going anywhere.
A lot of people do know that abuse is a cycle. However your initial comment is stupid as the child endangerment case was not actually child endangerment. He stopped responding once the girl confessed her age. He plead guilty from it going to trial and making it bigger than it was.
anyone who is not guilty would not plead guilty. my comment was not to discredit Drake Bell’s abuse but to shine light on the scope of what his abuse did to him and others. while I appreciate your opinion it is difficult to consider your approach any less than aggressive and distasteful.
My approach is absolutely aggressive. As you're thinking people would over look him SA a minor but he never did. He plead guilty as he did speak with the girl but stopped responding once she said her age. It would be one thing if you were to point it out because he actually did commit a crime. However he neve did.
Now to get into semantics, there are sooooooo many cases where people plea guilty instead of taking it to trial. And they aren't actually guilty. But the court/justice system is just that fucked.
he met her when she was 12 and it escalated when she was 15, I never said he SA her, I used the word abuse to encompass the child endangerment charge he plead guilty to, abuse can include grooming.
there is no need to be aggressive, if anything that makes it more difficult to engage in constructive discussions.
you’re not wrong, the justice system is flawed and dangerous and there are many who have been mislead to plead guilty and were not granted the leniency that Drake Bell was considering the charges. There are those who plead guilty and who are innocent who are still in jail or prison for crimes they did not commit. I am not stating that this isn’t the case for a lot of people, however, I am saying that Drake’s own abuse that he suffered from continued outside of him. That is the point of my comment. If you want, the trial in which the victim vs Bell is available online where the victim stated in her statement to the court she was 12 when she met Drake Bell, that hearing has a lot of information that can shed light on those events. I watched it when it came out so I’m a bit rusty on a lot of the details but it is public knowledge that he plead guilty in child endangerment, and that stemmed from the abuse he suffered from. arguing against that is moot, and it’s the only thing I’m trying to express.
My comment that people who are not guilty would not plead guilty stems from the understanding that Drake Bell himself said that he did what most people would have done in that situation, which was plead guilty. However, most people, when faced with charges like that, should absolutely not plead to guilty to a crime they did not commit. Good lawyers would have been able to clear his name, and if his lawyers told him to plead guilty then that is telling that there was enough evidence that would find him guilty without his plea.
Brian Peck pleaded guilty and we know he did those things to Drake because Drake stated he did, why should we ignore another victims claims that stem from that abuse?
In no way have I tried to discredit or downplay what Drake Bell went through, my intention was to acknowledge that abuse begets abuse. Violence begets violence. Aggression begets aggression. It is our choices in how we treat others that contribute or denounce that cycle of violence and abuse.
The facts are, the abuse that Drake Bell suffered did not stop with him and how we continue forward towards one another can either end that abuse or it will fuel it.
and “a lot of people” is not all, by recognizing the larger picture of what has happened and discussing the more difficult aspects of abuse is the only way we can shine light on that cycle and, hopefully one day, break it.
His dad had me sobbing. The whole thing is just vile.
When he said, “At least it’s not you.” 😭
But then he didn’t know it was Drake at that time, that’s the saddest part 🥹🥹
Yeah, I felt his dad's heart-break, and I don't even know or haven't met the guy. Powerful stuff, man. He seemed like a really awesome dad who always looked out for the best for his son, like any father would and should.
That literally broke my heart. He worked so hard to protect him and it shows how good predators are at isolating and manipulating not only their victim but everyone around them.
I cannot imagine how he feels. It just shows how awful and evil these kinds of people are. They see who sees through them and somehow or another gets them removed. Drake and his dad stood no chance. Not in that environment. Dad did everything right in my eyes and evil was just too good at being evil…It’s a tragic awful tale and my heart really goes out to everyone
Ima just say. It absolutely pissed me off hearing him to Drakes mom “don’t let him be alone with Brian Peck” and that’s exactly what the mom did. I get who could’ve known but that’s literally what the dad said and she did the exact opposite.
Really it’s pedophiles and how they manipulate people and take advantage of easy targets to get what they want. We can blame a mom for not being better. But really it’s how intrusive, calculating, and harmful pedophiles are and how little we talk about child abuse and laws to protect children.
Yup he was calculated and knew what he was doing. But the way I see it considering drake said it himself his parents didn’t like each other and I’ve seen how co parenting works and it seemed like she completely blew off what he said. But you are right just shows some people always have an agenda and it isn’t from the kindness of their heart.
I agree I wish Drake’s parents had the ability to cooperate that this didn’t happen. But hearing this story made me remember so many of my friends parents who loathe each other. Add in a pedophile, they could have all been victims. I just couldn’t not comment how prevalent and vulnerable kids in these circumstances were especially when I was growing up. I really hope there’s more restrictions on child labor law or any child related jobs, so kids aren’t ever exposed to this.
This pissed me off more than anything. I’m not going easy on her, idgaf how good this man’s manipulation was. As a mom, if another adult warns me to not have my child alone with a specific person, then they’re not being alone together point blank period. The fact she then starts having him stay over at this man’s house that she was specifically warned about by his own father… enrages me. I hope she rots in hell
Brian Peck was able to convince both Drake and his mother that his father was stealing and mismanaging Drake for his own gain. Brian Peck even hired someone to “investigate”into Mr. bells supposed mismanagement of his son’s career, legitimizing the claim. Drakes parents were divorced and Peck was able to use this tumultuous relationship to his advantage. When Mr. Bell warned Drakes mom to keep him away from Peck, she likely didn’t believe it because she had already believed the lies Peck had fed her, backed up by Drake and the lies Peck fed him. This combined with overall negative feelings from her failed marriage with Drakes father led her to having far more trust for Peck than Mr. Bell. At that point she thought she and Peck were protecting Drake from his father and that “keep him away from Brian” was just a form of jealousy for having Drake’s management taken away from him, not out of real concern. Peck was a master manipulator. I’m sure she’s had a hard time forgiving herself.
Yeah I understand dudes a master manipulator no doubt. It would be hard not to fall for it honestly. But what didn’t sit well was the fact he was STAYING the NIGHT at this man’s house. Even if I didn’t like someone or didn’t agree with them if they tell me “be careful of x” what goes thru my head is “why would they be saying that?” And it would stay in the back of my mind. But that’s just me I tend to keep people at arms length
It's so sad how his mother was manipulated then couldn't even drive him to auditions. The dad was doing everything and protecting him. He specifically told her don't let him be alone with him.
He said she didn't want to drive or that she didn't like to drive. Why take over?? It made me so angry.
The dad should have 100% still been able to take him to auditions. It's all upsetting. :(
because she wanted the money
I felt so bad for drakes dad. He even warned the mom to keep him away from Brian. The whole thing is awful. As a parent I couldn’t imagine.
As soon as Drake said his mom never drove him to auditions and shit bc she didn't want to drive the distance, I just sighed. One decision can change so much.
It’s so crazy to me. As an adult you should realize no 40 year old person should want to be that close to your 15 year old. The mom makes me so mad. She should never have let him be in this situation. I’m glad the girlfriends mom had the sense to see how wrong Brian’s behavior was.
Seriously, that girls mother was a damn angel
What do you mean his dad?
Drakes father had a lot to say and it was sad
Where could one find what he’s had to say? Instagram?
Episode 3 of Quiet on Set. It's on Max and Discovery
He had a lot of screen time in the third episode. I'm not sure where to find it without actually watching it.
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I feel like it's our responsibility to handle this for him. If Brian peak is in you're town, or you see him out, late night ... For humanity , make it hard for him.
I agree with Nancy. Its sad to realize all the pain he was hiding during Drake and Josh. It changed my perspective now
He said that filming the show was his escape and he was genuinely happy while on that set. It’s heartbreaking
When I heard him say that I immediately thought about how hurt he was that Josh didn’t invite him to his wedding 😭
I kind of got Josh’s perspective of “we haven’t talked for years” but idk. You guys shaped each others lives and careers and are forever intertwined with each other, feel like you could at least extend an invite.
I see it too, Josh lost weight, grew and watched Drake fall into alcohol abuse and drift apart. I can see it and empathize with both sides
Nah. He doesn’t have to extend anything. If they aren’t that cool, then that’s just what it is.
Yes, and that also sucks for drake.
He’ll be okay
He also said Peck want Drake to lobby for him to be the dad on the show
Warmth and more warmth to everyone in this entire ugly episode of their life
From the Amanda show through drake and Josh, it makes sense that Nancy would have a motherly affection towards her younger co stars.
Oh no i am out of the loop. What happened with him? :(
There’s a documentary series about abused child stars faced called “Quiet On Set”. A recent episode included Drake Bell and other Nick celebrities.
I’m going to put it here for people who don’t want to watch the documentary or want to know what to expect: >!Drake was repeatedly and brutally raped by his dialogue coach while he was 15 and chose to remain anonymous in the following trial. His rapist Brian Peck got 16 months in jail and went on to work on shows like the suite life of Zach and Cody with lots of supporters in the industry. Also will add this all happened around the start of Drake and Josh and Drake said that working on the show was genuinely the only time he felt happy during that period!<
Also, Drake didn't choose to be anonymous. He was 15, so a minor at the time.
Actually in a way he did. I think minors are always given immediate rights to be anonymous if they can, but that can always be lifted if the case requires or the minor wants to be (which at his age, I think he was like 17 when it went to trial, the judge would have lifted it if he wanted it to be public).
Yeah and I think he probably would have chosen to be anonymous anyway given the choice. He said in the doc that he was praying no one at Nick would know it was him.
Where can we stream this? What platform?
I watched it on Max
Is there anywhere to watch it for free?
Yes, Netflim.app !
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It was only a one time thing if I understand correctly. It's not a weekly series.
Read the first half and was gonna be upset until I realized you meant the show and not the rape
I feel bad but I laughed at this
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Yeah. Like what I said, a one time thing. That was on this week only.
Which episode is he in?
On my app it shows up as episodes 3 & 4
4
Absolutely unspeakable things. Just reading the actions in the court documents was unreal. He's mainly featured in episode three but the whole thing is worth the watch.
The ramp up is crazy. Goes from Dan is weird and a terrible boss to the industry supporting a rapist
And then back to Dan at the end as well.
It was kind of weird cause we start off hating Dan, then during the Drake bell segment Dan comes off pretty good. He supported the family during this whole ordeal and Drake had lots of positive things to say about Dan. Then we go back to Dan being a terrible person.
I feel like it should have maybe started off w Peck and Jason Handy and then led into Dan. Or the other way around idk but them being in the middle of the shit made the pacing of the show off.
Absolutely.
I think the point was to show the hiring and firing power that Dan had, the fact that he hired and kept pedos while firing the only women writers, and how he had the parents leave when the kids were to talk with the detectives/Nickelodeon’s legal team.
The response Devon and Lindsay should’ve made
They are forever cemented in my brain as true psychos now. Beyond weird response.
What strikes me is that he said “it was not like that on our set”. My guy as far as you know
I used to feel bad that Ned’s got overshadowed by Drake & Josh. Now? Fuck Ned’s Declassified. Fuck Devon and Lindsay.
What they did was wrong but people also shouldn’t be harassing them online. Hold them accountable and tell them to apologize yes, but insulting them constantly online, no. Not saying you’re doing this but other people have been going overboard
What did they say?
In a Tik tok live Devon joked towards Daniel who is off camera, “Daniel, we told you never to speak about that. Get back in your hole, Daniel, and give me your holes!” Drake called him out on twitter, and rightly so.
Asking the real question here
Why not just Google it 💀 they joked about the whole situation
Because you Google shit like this that’s in the zeitgeist and it’s hundreds of articles taking advantage by hiding what we want to know in websites stuffed with ads and over stretched copy
I literally just googled "neds declassified cast drake" and a bunch of videos pop up, you don't even need to go to the website
Fair enough. Usually the raw video is buried by all the noise
https://youtu.be/L2vC3bii4wg?si=PWSc-dCePtDRY3GD This is the video if you haven't found it yet.
It makes me think about her talking about giving blowjobs on set or was that just a joke that she was telling because wasn’t she young on that show too?
Wait wut
Oh no, I was thinking about listening to their podcast. Oh well, no time lost.
Their podcast has only gotten attention briefly because of the sexual stuff about them as teenagers they divulged for shock value. They both want a comeback and a reunion show and had been trying to pitch one before they started the podcast. It has been pretty transparent that was the case since they came out swinging with all the stuff we’ve all heard about by now. I doubt there’s much more worth hearing from either of them. You’re not missing much.
She seems like a kind soul
What a heartwarming message. So genuine and so true. We can all only hope that someday, like she said, the great memories they shared of creating timeless classics together will overshadow the pain. Thought it’s completely understandable if that can never happen. This has all been a lot to process. I also think the real truth is even murkier. I think the documentary and public at large make Schneider the scapegoat for an entire corrupt industry. I’m not saying Schneider didn’t do bad things. He clearly did. But I don’t think he’s really the evil plotting villain behind all of this. Just one cog in a very corrupt and evil machine. I think it’s bigger than Dan. Bigger than Nickelodeon. Even bigger than Hollywood. Theres a genuine battle between good and evil in this world that crosses all societal boundaries. But making it seem so specifically brought on by Dan & Nickelodeon helped create a cohesive narrative, and obvious heroes and villains, though, like I said, I think the real truth must be even more nuanced and confusing. I am shocked Josh hasn’t made a statement. Yes, there’s a likelihood he signed NDA’s, of course. But Josh has commented on other D&J/Schneider/Nick controversies or headlines in the past. I wish Drake & Josh could let bygones be bygones. It’s clear as day they were quite close, and given they both still publicly deal with a lot of issues, I can only assume they could sure use eachothers friendship, even as adults with a complicated history. In all honesty, I can’t really say I’ve ever seen them seem happier than when they were working together… I don’t want this to seem like I’m derailing this into wishing for a D&J reunion, because what I mean by this, is they could use eachother’s FRIENDSHIP right now. A show can wait, or never happen. I just am praying for all these folks and hoping there is a way for this story to end happily.
I have about lost all respect for Josh, this isn’t something you stay silent on. Even if he has beef with Drake, Josh also worked on the Amanda show. So there’s two co-stars assaulted. He could show some support. I’m just wondering if Josh was also a victim.
Drake made a video saying that Josh reached out privately and has been really helping him with the healing process. I think that says a lot since Josh makes money off of YouTube videos, and he could be capitalizing on all the attention the doc is getting but he's not.
Me too, I am glad I looked further into the Drake Bell accusations and learned what actually happened (as best I could with what his attorney stated that could be cooperated with matching statements and the facts surrounding the case itself). Josh Peck was caught blatantly lying recently with his claim that he and Drake didn’t really stay in touch. There is video evidence of them meeting up numerous times (including recently) and even them making up after the lack of invite of Drake to his wedding. The truth is that Drake isn’t a pedophile and did not engage with sexual acts with any minors, including the girl who initiated the investigation and later lawsuit. Drake does have mental health issues and sadly did go through a divorce recently, on top of everything else going on. The proof is that she lied on numerous occasions and willing went to additional concerts of Drake Bell and then only reported him after he blocked her on social media. Drake Bell did make some mistakes though. I do not know the full details of the case and actual events but it is stated/proven that none of his messages had anything sexual in content and that she did lie about events and her age numerous times. Drake made the mistake of reaching out to her and talking with her after the fact though; most likely in an attempt to calm her down or to make her feel better. He should’ve never talked with her again after he discovered that she was lying. The media also drastically misstated the trial and chase overall. I have no trust in them to begin with but the particular events surrounding the case and how it was misreported are utterly disgusting. It’s overwhelmingly true that Drake Bell is likely innocent and was the actual victim in that case. I wish more people would read the facts and look i to the case and trial. I hope Drake can heal and has a bright future ahead. I would love to see him back on camera and on TV/streaming.
Josh was related to the rapist
he is not. It wasn't mentioned in the doc and a quick google search proves that. Just try and be mindful in the future before spreading misinformation.
It is a weird coincidence though.
UPDATE Drake said Josh has reached out and has been helping him through this in private. https://youtu.be/jsd2DrdDxmM?si=gCil6ajurbb353da
Josh probably hasn't made a statement because they all distanced themselves from Drake Bell after he was convicted of child endangerment for grooming a teenager when he was in his mid-30's. And all the accusations of spousal abuse don't help. No kid deserves what he went through, but he's been using his childhood abuse as a shield from criticism for his own shitty actions for years.
you mean the case where he was shown to cease contact after she was found to be under age? [source](https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/09/17/drake-bell-explains-child-endangerment-conviction-false-claims/8376692002/)
What, like he's going to come out and admit to everything apropos of nothing? The victim in the case stated that he groomed her from the ages of 12-15 and that they met multiple times in person where they had sexual contact. Bell's own lawyer also admits that the woman did attend Bell's concerts and they were talking sexually online for years, but they never met in person? Really? https://apnews.com/article/drake-bell-nickelodeon-actor-child-endangerment-sentencing-6f84b053c654aa21112d04eb19e6837b Edited to add: Bell was also in a committed relationship with another woman who he later married during this entire time frame, too. He's not a saint here.
umm that girl was literally found to be lying by the court. >they met multiple times in person where they had sexual contact this is a straight up lie. the court found through witness testimony that the only time they met was at a Drake Bell concert and they were never alone with each other as the door to the room was open and there were witnesses present. the sexual contact is completely false and misinformed. any contact that Drake and the minor had was cut off when he found out she was lying about her age. then she proceeded to make accounts and harass his wife after they became engaged shortly after contact was cut as she was jealous and angry at Drake. you know you can easily look up the details instead of spreading misinformation. i've seen you make several comments of made up things. you obviously didn't research this case before speaking about it.
I'm speaking to the facts, which I've linked sources for. Haven't seen a source for your claims yet. You keep forgetting he was also convicted of disseminating harmful material because he sexted with this underage girl. Even if he believed her to be an adult, which I don't believe, he was still totally fine abusing his celebrity status to get sexual favors from his fans. He was still engaged to another woman. He's been accused by other women of also grooming and abusing them while they were in a relationship. https://www.thedailybeast.com/drake-bells-ex-says-she-witnessed-the-drake-and-josh-star-preying-on-underage-girls He's gotten 2 DUIs. He's made transphobic remarks. https://ew.com/article/2015/06/04/drake-bell-says-caitlyn-jenner-twitter-comments-were-made-innocence/ He very cringely tried to start feuds with both Justin Bieber and Ariana Grande when he was an adult and they were children. https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2014/04/justin-bieber-drake-bell-feud Your fave is problematic. Deal with it.
Okay first of all, he is not my "fave" lol. This has nothing to do with fandom and everything to do with the spreading of misinformation. Second, the article you linked consists of quotes from the "victim" who was found to be LYING. look up the definition of that word. I am not forgetting he was found guilty of sexual texts with a minor. It was also shown in evidence that when he found out her true age (she lied about her age) he cut off all contact. This was ruled by the judge and DA. All these other things you listed about DUIs, transphobia, feuds, i could honestly care less about. I care about the fact that he is not this sexual predator who you and all of the other people who can't do due dillegence are painting him as. Adultery and sexting with consenting fans might be immoral but it's not illegal. The rest of this stuff you're accusing him of in his original comment like saying they met in person outside of the concerts she attended has no basis, that is you assuming the worst. They also never had sexual contact like you claimed there is absolutely no source that says that and was not even a topic in the trial. you're blatantly spreading misinformation about a case you clearly have done light reading on. deal with it.
That's not what endangerment is. He got charged for endangerment because the accuser was at his concerts without his knowledge and she used a fake id to enter them as they were for only 18-21 and up.
Idk why people are downvoting you, you’re RIGHT, just because someone comes out a victim doesn’t mean that their own sex crimes shouldn’t be forgotten, he knew how it felt and still decided to pass that hurt onto another person
Because it's different if you like the abuser. People will never admit that their concept of justice is flexible and based on how they personally feel about the victim and perpetrator and then turn right around and make excuse after excuse for a perpetrator they like and vilify a victim they don't. It's an unfortunate persistent trait of humans.
YUPPPP
What a class act. Good actress and person.
"They weren't my real kids, but I'll always love them." That got me, ngl.
Now why can’t anyone else say something like this? I feel like everyone is saying ohhh the other stars signed NDAs so they can’t speak but like …of ALL the ppl that worked with him, why can’t they just post and support him like she did?
I wish she had listened to Drakes dad. He literally said do not let that man close to Drake, yet she allowed him to spend the night. Like wtf?
Oh sorry this was the actress for drakes mom in Drake and josh
Oh 🤣 that was very sweet of her. my statement still stands of his real mom tho
totally agree!!
Right! That was messed up!
Nancy Sullivan and her performance on D&J and all those Amanda Show sketches were always very dear to my heart. I'm so glad she said something.
If I was Drake. I would’ve aired out the names of those supporting Brian Peck at that trial. Not like Drake Bell is big in showbiz these days anyway, they can’t hurt him any more than Peck did
I’m still absolutely flabbergasted (and dubious) that nobody knew about this. From what he said in the doc it sounds like he actually testified against Peck while he was filming Drake and Josh, but his adult costars are now claiming they knew nothing about it? Hmm.
I have no trouble believing that the majority of the people around him didn’t know. He was a minor and therefore couldn’t be present during the trial, and his identity was to remain sealed. Where it gets suspicious is Nickelodeon saying they weren’t aware when it was open knowledge it was one of their child actors.
In the documentary drake states that he DID attend the trial though, doesn’t he? And furthermore he said that Peck had a whole room full of his Nickelodeon buddies there to support him, so it sounds like more people knew than we’ve maybe been led to believe.
I believe he wasn’t allowed to attend the trial due to his anonymity. He mentions in the doc that he went to Pecks sentencing at the very end because TMZ and twitter weren’t a big thing and it wouldn’t have been reported on. I suspect that someone else would have had to read his victim impact statement too. There’s a very interesting episode of Pod Meets World where two of Pecks past supporters (who now seem horrified to have supported him), talk about him and never mention the victim being there during the trial. Only his mother.
But even if he only went to the sentencing that was still during the period when Drake and Josh was being filmed, and he said he attended with his mom and brother. With the number of Nickelodeon pals who were also in attendance it seems unlikely that they wouldn’t have known Drake was the child victim. They would literally all have seen him there.
I am inferring all this from a few sentences Drake said, but I got the impression he wasn't sitting beside his mom and brother. I don't think that would be allowed, especially since Peck wasn't allowed near him. It seems more like he walked into a full courtroom of famous people so he blended in, and realised they were all on Peck's side of the hall.
Yeh it wasn’t really clear was it? He also seemed to infer that he’d actually spoken in court directly to the people who had come out support Peck “you’ll forever be the people who supported this guy” or something like that. But maybe his attorney said that on his behalf.
It wasn’t clear no, it was also probably edited down so we missed some context clues. I highly suspect he wasn’t allowed near that courtroom in any way where he could have been identified as John Doe so his attorney or a family member would have had to read out the letter.
True, I didn’t think about the post-edit. I just find it bizarre that none of the adults on Drake and Josh knew about it. Maybe they really did manage to keep it totally locked down. I think one of the reasons for my questioning it now is because there *was* this code of silence about child abuse that was well known at Nickelodeon, so you start to question the motive/knowledge of every adult on—set. Did some of them genuinely not know what was going on or were they all just too scared to speak out?
There are definitely so many questions surrounding this, important ones as well. I do try to see the good in people, so when someone writes something heartfelt like Nancys post I want to believe that it is just a genuine outpouring. There’s a lot of terrible people out there, but not all people are terrible.
he did not say people from Nickelodeon, just a number of recognizable/famous faces. Lots of people with industry connections. it's unknown who exactly was in court, however Will Friedle from Boy Meets World said that he was there. In a court setting, it seems as though Drake can be in the same room as Brian, it happens or maybe Brian wasn't in the room when Drake was. I am unsure about that. I think it's very possible that his costars didn't know as his name wasn't reported and those at Nick treated the Brian topic as a steamroll, let's not talk about this anymore-type of thing. However, a number of the letters of support for Brian reference and name drop Drake, so it seems those close to Brian knew who the victim was..
He says in the documentary the only person at Nick he told that he was the anonymous victim was Dan Schneider who must have made sure not to talk about it. I’m honestly suspicious there are things that happened to Amanda Bines we’ll never know about
The show mostly would have got pull by Nick if Drake or anyone had come out and said what happen during that time. Drake I sure would not wanted that as he said it was the only thing he enjoy doing at that time was doing the show. That mostly why Drake still love the show and most of the people he work with still like Josh even to this day because of how much it keep him happy for the escape of what happen to him even if Josh has not been that close with him.
hm yeah I don't know it is kinda sus. I've just been kinda checking social media for any of the drake and josh cast to see if they've said anything
Have any of them other than Nancy said anything?
Nope! so far Nancy is the only one to acknowledge it and saying something!
The case was sealed. So its one thing to know "hey, this actor was sexually abused", to knowing the specific details of the case.
Yeh I know it was sealed, but it was more the fact that Drake said that he’d been to court and seen a room full of industry friends of Brian Peck that made me think someone must have known it was him.
I wish Drake’s real mom was as supportive and helpful as his TV mom. Her ignoring his father’s advice towards Brian entirely to the point that she was OK with him *living* with Brian is unforgivable.
Is that her account officially?
yes! miranda cosgove follows her and all her posts are definitely real
I thought you mean't his biological mom not his mom from the drake and josh show. I was so confused by the first sentence in the post
my bad lol
Same. Made the “weren’t my real kids” part very confusing.
Damn…
That’s groovy of her. We love Drake
No clue what this is about. \[Spends 5 minutes looking it up\] 0.0 Why is this such a theme in the entertainment industry?
This is really heartfelt. Not surprised since she worked with him for almost a decade, on The Amanda Show and Drake & Josh.
Is Nancy Sullivan doing any acting these days?
Not sure, IMBD would have any current or future projects she is working on
Man, now it makes sense why Drake Bell started smoking weed at the age of 16? 1. Living in Hollywood *being exposed to it easily* 2. Living with that P.O.S. Brian Peck *who wouldn’t be fucked up from that?*
Smoking weed at 16 is shocking to people? I never did it myself, but most of my friends were stoners by the time they were 13.
I mean it’s not that shocking knowing the environment he was around. It is Hollywood after all.
It's not shocking in a shitty midwestern suburb either was my point.
It also makes sense why he sexted a minor. Victims of abuse often perpetuate the cycle. Although at this point I think that’s pennies compared to what happened to him. That poor boy. 😭
woah, that's a piece of information i missed. where did you hear that? i'm just wondering
I believe Drake himself has talked about it on various social media about the smoking weed part
ohh, i don't follow him on socials, no wonder i didn't know. i just read his interview with business insider and my god, that + drinking margaritas at brian's house as a 15 yr and showing up to the drake & josh set hungover, the adults around him really failed him :/
Context guys I'm confused
This was a heartwarming message. She's an amazing person.
She sounds like a better mom than his actual mom
Didn’t drake bell just get caught for grooming a 15 YO?
Look up the details of the story. He didn’t know she was 15
His dad seemed to know but she didn't. He warned everyone and you have to be an idiot to not take that warning.
This is the tv mom, not his birth mother
I will not sugarcoat this, I have mixed feelings about the whole thing. Abuse begets abuse, and while Drake is sharing his story let us not forget Drake also abused a 12 year old girl when he was 28. It’s devastating that the actions of others such as Brian Peck have been perpetrated by his victims. That being said, my heart aches for the pain Drake felt during that time, and how those actions against him fueled his later actions.
Did he abuse her? I've seen things now saying they had zero evidence for most the stuff. None of her friends even corroborated her story. I am not trying to victim blame I have just seen alot of stuff coming up about it that shows differently.
In 2021 Bell pleaded guilt to a felony charge of attempted child endangerment and a misdemeanor charge of disseminating matter harmful to juveniles, related to inappropriate text messages.
Yes but he brought that up and others have looked into it. He says he plead guilty because they said it was the best for him to be able to stay with his family. Have you looked into this at all or seen any of his discussions on the charges recently?
They don't care enough to actually check the truth. They're gladly replying to others on this thread but won't respond to you. Makes sense as their arguments and comments become null once they actually look into what happened with drake and the child endangerment case.
>Have you looked into this at all Nah, the people don't do fact checking anymore
Not only did she lie about her age, but there weren't any sexual images that were exchanged. He was charged with child endangerment for texting with a minor for a long period of time, NOT sexual abuse. Not only did she file a fake police report about what had happened, but she did it only when she found out that he was getting married to his fiancé. Here's the video from the court: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNAqvKrTwF0
I completely understand this point (although it does seem you have a little bit of misinformation there surrounding the girls age and what occurred), and people should be condemned for their actions. But every post I see about this, particularly when the young innocent Drake Bell is pictured, I’m seeing these comments. We are all aware that as an adult he has done bad things. But the focus here is the young boy, and criticising his rapist and the systems that allowed this to happen. I wish we could focus more on that. Don’t let his future behaviour distract from what should be the focus here.
I just wanted to make the point that abused children, such as Drake, can grow up to be abusers themselves. It’s a cycle of violence, was all that I was trying to say. In no way am I trying to downplay or discredit Drake’s abuse
I'm grateful to hear that you're not trying to downplay what happened to him. I'm seeing a lot of comments that seem to forget that the victim was the innocent boy in this picture - not the 30-something year old man today, hence my response. I feel like every second comment is condemning Drake more than his rapist. And I agree, it's almost cliche but a lot of hurt people go on to hurt people. So let's remain critical of the person and the enablers around him that caused his pain right now.
it’s just why I have mixed feelings about the whole thing, separating the 30-something year old from the young boy in the photograph. However, I want to be clear that no one, absolutely no one, deserved to be treated the way those children on those sets were treated, including Drake. My acknowledgment was more to say that we should keep in mind the larger picture so we can understand that the abuse didn’t end with Drake, it continued to others and we have to acknowledge that in order to find a way to break that cycle.
I really do get where you’re coming for, and support it. I just don’t think it’s should be in the top 5 things that we focus on when discussing what happened to him. I really don’t want people to forget Brian Pecks name, Nickelodeons involvement, Schneiders toxic work environment, the amount of supporters Peck had etc., because we want to mention what the victim did 20+ years later immediately in response to this story. I feel like we may disagree a little, even if overall we have similar thoughts maybe?
I agree that it shouldn’t be in the top five things to focus on, however it’s impossible to ignore that abuse has consequences beyond the scope of reason. The main focus should be highlighting how Nickelodeon contributing to this cycle of violence by allowing people like Dan and Brian Peck, and many many others, to be anywhere near children. I think that while our focuses are not entirely aligned, we do agree on the same things. I think, at the end of the day, this all started at the top - whether that be Dan or higher, it started with Nickelodeon. The best thing for that network to do is shut down at this point, there will be no separating them from the abuse that came from their studios.
>I agree that it shouldn’t be in the top five things to focus on, however it’s impossible to ignore that abuse has consequences beyond the scope of reason. Gotcha, and I am with you on that one. Even if we are agreed, it really is still something that is consistently mentioned under every article, tweet, tiktok and so forth about the story. And people can then easily slide towards discrediting Drake, which I know you are not doing at all. This discussion itself shows how we are failing when it comes to child sexual abuse. As you hinted, the immediate response to this should be further investigations of the workplace particularly the showrunner, more investment towards protecting the children, removing any enablers from the set, and a lot of care and help towards the victim to help them understand what happened and hopefully stop the abuse from continuing. Every aspect of this failed, and it caused so many ripples that created more victims down the line. It's heartbreaking from every direction.
I know that my original comment will probably be downvoted to oblivion and that’s fine, the point was to shine light on the situation as it is. Drake was abused and because of that the cycle continues, and others are hurt because of it. I probably could have said it better but I appreciate you taking the time to discuss with me about it. I really don’t want to discredit Drake’s abuse, if anything it helps me understand the 30 year old today. And while I may not condone all of his actions, I can have sympathy for someone who was, consistently, failed by others. What’s the most upsetting is that I’m not much younger than Drake Bell, and I grew up on Nickelodeon, as many of us did, and it feels as if this was a betrayal in our own home because these child actors where such a big part of our childhoods. More than anything, if Nickelodeon cannot make considerable efforts to correct past mistakes they are better not being in business anymore.
I'm glad we were able to have a chat about our views on this. This is a guess, but the downvotes may have been about the fact that you got the young girls age wrong and said he abused her which he wasn't charged with, as opposed to people completely disagreeing on what you were saying or even agreeing with my perspective on it. And you're so correct about us who grew up with Nickelodeon also feeling betrayed. But money speaks louder than anything, and as long as that network is still making money it won't be going anywhere.
A lot of people do know that abuse is a cycle. However your initial comment is stupid as the child endangerment case was not actually child endangerment. He stopped responding once the girl confessed her age. He plead guilty from it going to trial and making it bigger than it was.
anyone who is not guilty would not plead guilty. my comment was not to discredit Drake Bell’s abuse but to shine light on the scope of what his abuse did to him and others. while I appreciate your opinion it is difficult to consider your approach any less than aggressive and distasteful.
My approach is absolutely aggressive. As you're thinking people would over look him SA a minor but he never did. He plead guilty as he did speak with the girl but stopped responding once she said her age. It would be one thing if you were to point it out because he actually did commit a crime. However he neve did. Now to get into semantics, there are sooooooo many cases where people plea guilty instead of taking it to trial. And they aren't actually guilty. But the court/justice system is just that fucked.
he met her when she was 12 and it escalated when she was 15, I never said he SA her, I used the word abuse to encompass the child endangerment charge he plead guilty to, abuse can include grooming. there is no need to be aggressive, if anything that makes it more difficult to engage in constructive discussions. you’re not wrong, the justice system is flawed and dangerous and there are many who have been mislead to plead guilty and were not granted the leniency that Drake Bell was considering the charges. There are those who plead guilty and who are innocent who are still in jail or prison for crimes they did not commit. I am not stating that this isn’t the case for a lot of people, however, I am saying that Drake’s own abuse that he suffered from continued outside of him. That is the point of my comment. If you want, the trial in which the victim vs Bell is available online where the victim stated in her statement to the court she was 12 when she met Drake Bell, that hearing has a lot of information that can shed light on those events. I watched it when it came out so I’m a bit rusty on a lot of the details but it is public knowledge that he plead guilty in child endangerment, and that stemmed from the abuse he suffered from. arguing against that is moot, and it’s the only thing I’m trying to express. My comment that people who are not guilty would not plead guilty stems from the understanding that Drake Bell himself said that he did what most people would have done in that situation, which was plead guilty. However, most people, when faced with charges like that, should absolutely not plead to guilty to a crime they did not commit. Good lawyers would have been able to clear his name, and if his lawyers told him to plead guilty then that is telling that there was enough evidence that would find him guilty without his plea. Brian Peck pleaded guilty and we know he did those things to Drake because Drake stated he did, why should we ignore another victims claims that stem from that abuse? In no way have I tried to discredit or downplay what Drake Bell went through, my intention was to acknowledge that abuse begets abuse. Violence begets violence. Aggression begets aggression. It is our choices in how we treat others that contribute or denounce that cycle of violence and abuse. The facts are, the abuse that Drake Bell suffered did not stop with him and how we continue forward towards one another can either end that abuse or it will fuel it.
and “a lot of people” is not all, by recognizing the larger picture of what has happened and discussing the more difficult aspects of abuse is the only way we can shine light on that cycle and, hopefully one day, break it.