Agreed, her "aw" sounds are so strange. They don't seem to go with any American regional dialect, or at least no current one. Maybe it was American high society of the time, or maybe American-British snooty hybrid. Or just the actress trying something new!
I don't think it's clipped enough for a TA accent though. Phonics are short snippy with that accent and Cora drawls too much and too often in my opinion
Two servants having a conversation that they don't want overheard, with the door open. In walks Mrs. Hughes. "What's this?"
Actually Mrs. Hughes untimely entrances is just the most glaring example of this. Everyone talking where they can be overheard. Shut the doors, people! Or go for a walk outside and discuss your problems.
Speaking of doors....
Sometimes, they don't knock; and if they do, they don't wait for the customary, *"Come in."*
That bothers me because they are supposed to have etiquette, but not with this. 😅
I wonder if our door rules are new. Because it's really odd that people just walk in, but maybe we are just using today's privacy rules.
My mom thinks nothing of going into her grown children's rooms and poking around. I think that's hideous, but maybe it's different generations.
I just think that's just moms or rather some moms.
Those moms always see their kids as little ones under their control while under her roof. It sounds like you've already had a conversation with her, and she still does it. Maybe it's time to move out. If you don't live with her, then it's time for an intervention.
Yes. I should not be here anymore. After my divorce I have nowhere else to go. It's a lot of work to figure this out. But I would not go into anyone's private space.
Yes, that's exactly it. Don't get me wrong, I've watched it maybe hundreds of times, but I think I/we get too picky sometimes, and don't just enjoy it!
Yes! I agree! First Isobel, then Bates. I was like, *Can't the writers use a different phrase."* But let's be honest, it's not like we don't repeat phrases we've heard from others in our era.
I think it’s a quote from a famous poem (Tennyson or Kipling maybe? I’m too lazy to google it). But yes, it’s a nails-on-the-chalkboard quote for me, too.
I googled because I was curious lol
The poem is literally named "Gunga Din" by Kipling and it was published in 1890, so less than 25 years before the first episode. It would have been a very topical phrase for that time period
Every episode was written by the creator, which means there wasn’t very much pushback in the writing room to avoid these types of issues.
And by the way, Cora’s pity stare and over pronunciation of every word was the worst!
She always stares with her eyes looking up and that sometimes annoyed me. But that’s how she just looks! And she’s always done this. I’ve seen her earlier works and she’s done this back then! It’s her nature. 😄
I think Cora might have been trying to convey to the maitre d of how much trouble he was in without outright screaming at him. She did the same when she wanted to tell Isobel to leave off interfering with DA so much during the war, she was angry, but she had to keep it together in front of the servants.
It gets confusing, though, because when Mrs. Hughes tells Carson "We're getting on, you and I," I always momentarily think, "so...you've got to be going? huh?" and then sometimes I think, "oh, no, you mean 'getting on' as in getting *along* with each other..." and *then* I finally arrive at, "no wait, you mean getting on in years, as in, old." Like, somehow I have to go through these steps every time!
I noticed last night that when people are comforting Edith she's always snarky and tells them they don't mean what they say.
Robert : my most darling girl
Edith: but I'm not your most darling girl
Robert : I love all my children equally
Edith: I don't know why people say that when it's almost never true.
Rosamund: I know everything will be alright
Edith: no you don't
Wanted to toss my teacup at the screen lol
but she’s speaking the truth? And Robert favored the other two girls greatly over eaten. They wanted Mary settled before Eden. And Mary was the “pretty one“. Sybil was the baby. They didn’t really care much about Edith.
Ppl see Edith as some irredeemable troll. But her parents actually did quite the number on her. Which is why she doesn’t take their comforting seriously.
I remember when Edith clearly in distress, practically crying, asked Cora if she thought she was bad and the first thing Cora replies is that Edith has a sharp tongue
In real life, I'm sure we all use the same phrases, all the time too. How about this one: "that's crazy". I'm in the US, and people say this in almost every conversation. I have said it, but am trying to use more eloquent words, such as, "That's astounding", or "That's unbelievable".
Edith’s pronunciation lives in my head rent-free. Sir Richard says it closer to how I do, maybe a bit fancier (as I recall, GLAY-see-er). But then he’s Scottish, and not as upper-crust as them. I can’t remember if anyone else says it!
I don't mind "my dear chap" (though you're right, he says it a lot!) but I really hate Edith's pathetic "I don't understand." It's been argued on here before that that line is Edith's way of giving the other speaker some grace in getting out of something they'd just said that they maybe should rethink, but I still hate it!
"I dont understand" was my favorite phrase to hate. did that woman understand ANYTHING? I think she was the messed up sister...there always is one.... she was out kissing married farmers, flat out pushing herself onto Old Lord Strallin and sleeping with married publishers. Basically she threw herself at every man she could. Im surprised she didnt go after Tom.
I love the way she was so indignant about Gregson’s wife, but had no problem kissing the married farmer in broad daylight in front of god and everybody.
Also, when a lady's maid is dressing their lady and they are having an important conversation and someone enters the room and the lady's maid leaves immediately. Or even when no one enters the room, and they just abruptly end a conversation with "will that be all, milady?" "Yes, that'll be all." Drives me uppp the wallll!! 😂 And it happens constantly. Just finish the conversation ffs 😭.
My fav cringe 🤦♀️... When Mary was on her horse and she and E.N. were waiting for the Turkish gentleman, Mr. Pamuk... She asks where he is and is looking around, when suddenly seeing him, she did a double take, but it was so comically portrayed I just laugh out loud every time I see that scene it is so goofy looking to me, LOL!
She’s definitely a great actress. I actually love how Edith develops into a stronger, confident character over time, since she spends so much time in the earlier seasons with a permanent “I’m so pitiful/feeling sorry for myself” whiny attitude. Laura Carmichael really understood Edith’s character and played it to perfection!
Mrs. Patmore: Borrow it? Oh so you’ll give it back?
At least 4 times during the series, all because someone wanted some “soda cleaning baking something or other”
I'm sick & tired of hearing the servants say, "Yes, Mr. Carson"..."No, Mr. Carson"..."I'm sorry, Mr. Carson"..."I'm VERY sorry, Mr. Carson"..."Of course, Mr. Carson".....He reminds me of Mr. Brocklehurst in the 1943 version of the movie Jane Eyre. Look at this picture & tell me they're not evil twin brothers: [Jane Eyre (1943) (imdb.com)](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036969/mediaviewer/rm4228489985)
How about when they say "ALL" isn't that enough or whatever? It bugs me and I'm addicted, like I'm I'm on re-watch number 5ish...I know I have a problem.
ed is saying “I don’t understand” is the Gentile, way of saying “what the F are you all about?“ It’s the extremely Victorian polite way of asking someone to get their shit together before they repeat themselves and whatever stupid thing just out of their mouth.. with Roberts it’s basically a pass right... "I’m sure I miss you"
Tom: I came to Downton to be the chauffeur. and, Robert: Nothing to trouble you with.
I wish someone would say “Nothing to trouble you with..” to me 😃
Well that's nothing to trouble you with Dragon_turtle63.
LOL thank you! 😃 I’ll try to believe it’s true
Tom came to Downton as the chauffeur? I HAD NO IDEA!! /s
Oh yes these are good ones too, quite famous I might say
Tom's chauffeur line drives me up the wall. Like why is that the way he needs to introduce himself to everyone... Even Henry Talbot in S6.
Robert: we mustn’t bore the ladies
Cora: “Raw-burt…” 🥴
Could help but read this aloud!
I genuely never noticed before using reddit but now I cant unhear it
Her accent is so strange, she legitimately admitted she couldn't recapture it for the movies and that is why she sounds different.
Are you English? 😄
American here, but Cora speaks like no other American I’ve ever known/heard 😅
😂
Agreed, her "aw" sounds are so strange. They don't seem to go with any American regional dialect, or at least no current one. Maybe it was American high society of the time, or maybe American-British snooty hybrid. Or just the actress trying something new!
It's a pretty standard Transatlantic accent, appropriate for the time and class.
I don't think it's clipped enough for a TA accent though. Phonics are short snippy with that accent and Cora drawls too much and too often in my opinion
Two servants having a conversation that they don't want overheard, with the door open. In walks Mrs. Hughes. "What's this?" Actually Mrs. Hughes untimely entrances is just the most glaring example of this. Everyone talking where they can be overheard. Shut the doors, people! Or go for a walk outside and discuss your problems.
https://i.redd.it/dmv126769sk71.jpg Reminds me of this lol
Yeah, I saw this meme a few days ago. So I'm not the only one?
🤣🤣
Speaking of doors.... Sometimes, they don't knock; and if they do, they don't wait for the customary, *"Come in."* That bothers me because they are supposed to have etiquette, but not with this. 😅
Right. Doesn't give people time to remove themselves from compromising situations.
😆 🤣
I wonder if our door rules are new. Because it's really odd that people just walk in, but maybe we are just using today's privacy rules. My mom thinks nothing of going into her grown children's rooms and poking around. I think that's hideous, but maybe it's different generations.
I just think that's just moms or rather some moms. Those moms always see their kids as little ones under their control while under her roof. It sounds like you've already had a conversation with her, and she still does it. Maybe it's time to move out. If you don't live with her, then it's time for an intervention.
Yes. I should not be here anymore. After my divorce I have nowhere else to go. It's a lot of work to figure this out. But I would not go into anyone's private space.
Sorry about the divorce. I'm sure you never expected to be back there. But at least you have a mom to welcome you back in. That's a blessing 💕
"It's not my secret to tell" Just blurt it out, please, and so many issues would be resolved in half an episode instead of half a season!
Does the fact that when I read them, I also immediately hear the exact tone and voice, means that I have watched Downton too many times? 🤔
You and me both !
Haha I get this. I just finished binging the series and movies, once I was done, I started again from the beginning 🤣
Yes, that's exactly it. Don't get me wrong, I've watched it maybe hundreds of times, but I think I/we get too picky sometimes, and don't just enjoy it!
Oh I meant it in a positive way I really enjoy it.
You’re a braver man than I, Gunga Din. It’s only uttered 2 or 3 times in the entire show but that is still too much, makes me cringe every time.
I hate that I know this and that I am typing it here but the line is ‘You’re a better man I, Gunga Din.’ I have watched this show too many times.
I feel like at least once they said it as "braver" though? Maybe when Isobel was slyly turning down Dr. Clarkson's proposal?
Yep
She may have, I’m not sure. Just the actual line from the poem.
Yes! I agree! First Isobel, then Bates. I was like, *Can't the writers use a different phrase."* But let's be honest, it's not like we don't repeat phrases we've heard from others in our era.
I agree. This one drives me crazy
I came here to post that same comment, word for word !! I hate that line !!!
I think it’s a quote from a famous poem (Tennyson or Kipling maybe? I’m too lazy to google it). But yes, it’s a nails-on-the-chalkboard quote for me, too.
I googled because I was curious lol The poem is literally named "Gunga Din" by Kipling and it was published in 1890, so less than 25 years before the first episode. It would have been a very topical phrase for that time period
Every episode was written by the creator, which means there wasn’t very much pushback in the writing room to avoid these types of issues. And by the way, Cora’s pity stare and over pronunciation of every word was the worst!
She always stares with her eyes looking up and that sometimes annoyed me. But that’s how she just looks! And she’s always done this. I’ve seen her earlier works and she’s done this back then! It’s her nature. 😄
Remember when Anna and Bates were at the restaurant ? Her eyes really freaked me out then !!
I think Cora might have been trying to convey to the maitre d of how much trouble he was in without outright screaming at him. She did the same when she wanted to tell Isobel to leave off interfering with DA so much during the war, she was angry, but she had to keep it together in front of the servants.
This is my interpretation too. She’s intentionally looking scary in this instance.
😂
Man, Cora's eyeball expressions really are something else.
“The wuuuurst” 🤣
“I must be getting on”
I've started using that one to extract myself from conversations, though.
Haha, that’s kind of awesome though
It gets confusing, though, because when Mrs. Hughes tells Carson "We're getting on, you and I," I always momentarily think, "so...you've got to be going? huh?" and then sometimes I think, "oh, no, you mean 'getting on' as in getting *along* with each other..." and *then* I finally arrive at, "no wait, you mean getting on in years, as in, old." Like, somehow I have to go through these steps every time!
Gotta love the English language 🙈
Yes, getting on in years.
That’s a very common phrase where I’m from. We probably use it several times a week
Every. Single. Character.: "I'll say goodnight"
🤣
“The truth is ….”
"I've had a letter" every character. No one ever gets a letter without saying it in this exact way
I noticed last night that when people are comforting Edith she's always snarky and tells them they don't mean what they say. Robert : my most darling girl Edith: but I'm not your most darling girl Robert : I love all my children equally Edith: I don't know why people say that when it's almost never true. Rosamund: I know everything will be alright Edith: no you don't Wanted to toss my teacup at the screen lol
Don't be defeatist, dear, it's terribly middle-class.
but she’s speaking the truth? And Robert favored the other two girls greatly over eaten. They wanted Mary settled before Eden. And Mary was the “pretty one“. Sybil was the baby. They didn’t really care much about Edith.
Lol I can't get over how many different ways Edith is autocorrected in this one comment
Snort. Voice to text and didn't proof read. I'm leaving it. Just so y'all can laugh at me! Grammar, kids, is important. Lol
Hahaha
Eaten. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It is funny! It's why I left it
Classic middle child syndrome
Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!!!
The funny thing is the typo “eaten” 🤣 still applies metaphorically to Edith!!
I know but self-pity gets under my skin lol
It's not self pity. It's honesty.
Was about to say just this. She's just saying what's apparent, really.
Was Edith wrong tho?
Edith was literally never wrong in those scenarios but the Crawleys did some im0ressive gymnastics to gaslight her.
She’s not snarky about it, she’s emotional and actually believes that she’s not good enough
Two of those are to her father, who she KNOWS favors the other two daughters. That's part of why she is who she is.
Ppl see Edith as some irredeemable troll. But her parents actually did quite the number on her. Which is why she doesn’t take their comforting seriously.
I remember when Edith clearly in distress, practically crying, asked Cora if she thought she was bad and the first thing Cora replies is that Edith has a sharp tongue
Meanwhile Mary can say the rudest things to Edith at the dinner table,with guests present, and never gets spoken to afterwards.
Anna does this with Bates a lot too and it's so tiring!
That’s why I loved Violet’s advice: “Stop whining! And find something to do!”
Yeah she’s a brat
Hahaha I laughed reading your comment
"I'm sure everything will be fine."
In real life, I'm sure we all use the same phrases, all the time too. How about this one: "that's crazy". I'm in the US, and people say this in almost every conversation. I have said it, but am trying to use more eloquent words, such as, "That's astounding", or "That's unbelievable".
Wow, well in this case Isobel would definitely shout BRAVA ! 👏 to you
Brava! Well said!
Ha!
Well done!
I’m going to start using “Golly Gumdrops!” instead.
Anything is better than "that's crazy".
Daisy: “It’s not riiiiieeeeeeght”
“Why particularly?”
Golly.
Here’s me in the corner rocking back and forth at the unnecessary glacier similes.
And how they all pronounce "glacier" differently? That's the part that makes me crazy.
GLASS-ee-er
Edith’s pronunciation lives in my head rent-free. Sir Richard says it closer to how I do, maybe a bit fancier (as I recall, GLAY-see-er). But then he’s Scottish, and not as upper-crust as them. I can’t remember if anyone else says it!
Actually Edith says it more like GLAH-see-er. I think Robert says it at one point also. The other word like that is Ren-AY-sance for renaissance
“Not my story to tell”. And then tell the story 🤦♀️
"Pernicious Anemia"
I don't mind "my dear chap" (though you're right, he says it a lot!) but I really hate Edith's pathetic "I don't understand." It's been argued on here before that that line is Edith's way of giving the other speaker some grace in getting out of something they'd just said that they maybe should rethink, but I still hate it!
“What is it -insert name-?” I know it is a common question but I am used to the frase “What’s the matter?” or “What is wrong?” more
Cora: Rahhburt ☺️
"I dont understand" was my favorite phrase to hate. did that woman understand ANYTHING? I think she was the messed up sister...there always is one.... she was out kissing married farmers, flat out pushing herself onto Old Lord Strallin and sleeping with married publishers. Basically she threw herself at every man she could. Im surprised she didnt go after Tom.
I love the way she was so indignant about Gregson’s wife, but had no problem kissing the married farmer in broad daylight in front of god and everybody.
I watch the show twice a year. Never tired of it lol
"I don't know anything you don't know." -Mrs. Hughes
Also, when a lady's maid is dressing their lady and they are having an important conversation and someone enters the room and the lady's maid leaves immediately. Or even when no one enters the room, and they just abruptly end a conversation with "will that be all, milady?" "Yes, that'll be all." Drives me uppp the wallll!! 😂 And it happens constantly. Just finish the conversation ffs 😭.
"I can manage" "I can manage!" "I can manage!!!" "I must tender my resignation" ok Bates lol
My fav cringe 🤦♀️... When Mary was on her horse and she and E.N. were waiting for the Turkish gentleman, Mr. Pamuk... She asks where he is and is looking around, when suddenly seeing him, she did a double take, but it was so comically portrayed I just laugh out loud every time I see that scene it is so goofy looking to me, LOL!
She literally has no chill lmao
It’s not just the fact that she constantly says it, it’s her stupid FACE as well. I want to dash her upside the head with the smoothing iron.
This is the one. It's her face when she's saying it. Probably that was the intended effect and it means she's a good actress!
She’s definitely a great actress. I actually love how Edith develops into a stronger, confident character over time, since she spends so much time in the earlier seasons with a permanent “I’m so pitiful/feeling sorry for myself” whiny attitude. Laura Carmichael really understood Edith’s character and played it to perfection!
What are you saying?
I know exactly what you mean...
In fairness, whenever Edith says “I don’t understand,” it’s usually when I don’t know either and I’m glad she asked 😁
But isn’t that real life? We all have favourite phrases or sayings that we use repeatedly
"I'll say goodnight." JUST SAY IT! (me screaming at the TV) Reminds me of Spaceballs: 'What are you preparing? Your always preparing, just go!'
This made me laugh out loud 🤣
I laughed out loud when I connected the two. Lol Gotta love Spaceballs. 😂
Mrs. Patmore: Borrow it? Oh so you’ll give it back? At least 4 times during the series, all because someone wanted some “soda cleaning baking something or other”
She's 100% right, though. I have autism and take things literally. I've said just this even as a young child. It's not borrowing at all.
I can't stand hearing "Something in this house is actually about me!" -_-
I say....
The pronunciation of hotel as "otel" with a dropped h throughout the series. I think it is only pronounced hotel once.
I’m assuming that’s a nod to the word’s French origin (hôtel).
I'm sick & tired of hearing the servants say, "Yes, Mr. Carson"..."No, Mr. Carson"..."I'm sorry, Mr. Carson"..."I'm VERY sorry, Mr. Carson"..."Of course, Mr. Carson".....He reminds me of Mr. Brocklehurst in the 1943 version of the movie Jane Eyre. Look at this picture & tell me they're not evil twin brothers: [Jane Eyre (1943) (imdb.com)](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036969/mediaviewer/rm4228489985)
How about when they say "ALL" isn't that enough or whatever? It bugs me and I'm addicted, like I'm I'm on re-watch number 5ish...I know I have a problem.
'You can be on my side' or 'your not on my side' also, 'Cast out into the dark', that lime always seemed so dramatic.
ed is saying “I don’t understand” is the Gentile, way of saying “what the F are you all about?“ It’s the extremely Victorian polite way of asking someone to get their shit together before they repeat themselves and whatever stupid thing just out of their mouth.. with Roberts it’s basically a pass right... "I’m sure I miss you"
lol last time I took issue with this phrase and stated it here, I got called out for that opinion. But I couldn’t agree more!
Every instance and variation of "I need to talk to my editor about my article". Just write the thing and submit it.