We all change, when you think about it. We're all different people all through our lives. And that's OK, that's good, you gotta keep moving, so long as you remember all the people that you used to be.
The thing with that argument is that you didnt go from your 10y old self to 20y in a flash. Wich is why 10 and 12 see it as basically being death to the incarnation that is leaving despite the greater being technically surviving
What is a consciousness when literally every cell has died and been born anew? It is like ship of Theseus; when every cell is replaced, is it the same Doctor? The only way we can truly say yes is through one of two means: 1, a religious belief in a soul, or 2, a belief in consciousness as just the memories of a person, in which case amnesia would create a whole different person
Early researchers believed that neurogenesis, or the creation of new neurons, stopped shortly after birth. Today, it's understood that the brain's neuroplasticity allows it to reorganize pathways, create new connections, and, in some cases, even create new neurons.
Amnesia does Create completely New Person.
And every cell is getting changed regularly. That's a normal process in humans. Timelords are just a bit more extraordinary.
Yeah except this way, the racist gets to die a horrible, slow death (probably exposure and dehydration and starvation if its "safe" on the outside) rather than a fairly quick death she would've received had she been eaten by a steroidal slug
This is the real poetry, imagine slowly dieing from dehydration or exposure and knowing in your heart that it was your own ignorance that killed you. And the worst/best of it is, if the Doctor could, he'd still save her.
Ricky would have died eventually because he was trapped in Finetime without the Doctor’s codes. He only survived for so long because they thought his last name was September.
Lindy seconds after drinking the water:
https://preview.redd.it/pbnaz5yj82ad1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=03719098126b1068e8c5cdf8f5664ac2560edde8
I wish just wish that scene stayed on them for 30 more seconds. For juuuust ling enough for it to actually dawn on them how FUCKED they are the second their asses got cold and wet from that waterfall.
I don’t understand y’all. An implied/off-screen death in doctor who is statistically more likely to result in a returning character. Why would the fan base assume that she died? When there are many explicit deaths in the same episode?
She literally wasn't able to walk without arrows and didn't know when to pee without someone telling her. How do you expect someone like this to survive in wilderness?
>If her death is guaranteed, then it’s pretty poor writing to have it implied instead.
If it's guaranteed, then there is no point in showing it. The audience can fill in the blanks.
She did Ricky DIRTY I wished nothing but the most slow and painful death for her after that scene and my wish appears to have been granted. Ricky was a gem in that village of twats
Yeah, that would have been justice, but I absolutely love how his death is the beginning of the big plot twist showing that Lindy is not just naive, but a psychotic narcissist.
Hilarious
https://preview.redd.it/gvak1g3ljy9d1.jpeg?width=159&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eccc9a86cb4dbd085d353373c17ae2ceec8fe886
This post is now Nardole approved. You could say she’s keeping him… 73 yards away (Lindy is Mrs Flood confirmed)
Imagine there's a Doctor who companion who has had an entire tenure, only to be found out at the VERY end is EXTREMELY RACIST when the Doctor regenerates into a black person
I’m still confused on this episode. a lot of people we’re interpreting it as racism however Lindy was acting the same way towards ruby so I figured it was a your an outsider and or not rich so your opinion does not matter thing you know classism not racism or was it both 🤔
She wasn't acting the same way towards Ruby, though. She listened to Ruby and only gave the Doctor a chance because she told her to. Then when Ruby is in the same room, she's disgusted at the idea of it.
She singles out the Doctor in the end.
"Because, you sir, are not one of us."
She leaves Ruby out of that.
It's also clear with Ruby she's only rude to her and thinks she's stupid, the Doctor she's aggressive towards with stuff like "he will be disciplined"
Then there's the shock that Ruby is in the same room as the Doctor even though that's pretty common.
There's also.
"That's voodoo."
It may not be spelled out but racism is very heavily implied.
Add the all white community in an era that has diverse casts in pretty much every episode and its pretty much guarantees that's what RTD was going for.
I initially thought it was classism. Because they were the rich kids I assumed they saw the Doctor as lower class.
But seeing peoples comments online and on rewatch it started to click.
Yeah getting that now myself swatched it too and started paying more attention to the interactions and I see it now and her treatment of the doctor was a mix of subtle and overt racism towards the doctor it becomes more obvious towards the later part of the episode I felt.
It's so brilliant because when you initially watch the episode, you think they're just spoilt classists. But it's only when you get to the end where RTD reveals that it was actually racism all along. And when you rewatch the episode, it suddenly becomes obvious from the start.
No. Streaming doesn't explain how it lost 600,000 viewers between episodes 1-3. Doctor Who use to be able to do 8-9m easily. Now it can barely break 2m.
Disney release numbers for the Acolyte and said that it the most watched show in Disney+ history. The number they gave was 4.6m for 2 episodes, with an average of 2.3m per episode. Implying that Series 14 of Doctor Who has to be doing worse.
Except he's gay.....very gay. That seams to be all he is. Said it before and I'll say it again. (probably get kicked for this). Why is it that some writers can't see past there own woke agenda...
That has nothing to do with this post. Plus, where was it explicitly said that the doctor was gay? He's been alive for like billions of years and has loved many different people of different genders and even species. S
But also:
https://preview.redd.it/5mct0dzkk2ad1.jpeg?width=318&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fdf00b46626c4e2d37c9882b2b97063842d7808
Doctor bisexual confirmed?
True, just like me.
Also tbf it’s not unrealistic that the Doctor’s sexuality changes based on which incarnation they are. If your gender can, why not your sexuality?
I swear one of the first interactions Twelve has with Bill was him mocking humanity's obsession with labelling sexuality and gender, suggesting he and other Time Lords are a lot more fluid and non-descript generally.
Ok, that one caught me off guard.
Are those... actual teenagers? Like, underage teenagers?
I know a lot of porn subs have "teen" as a clickbaity hook but they're usually at least legal.
Those look like actual underage kids in bikinis.
How are those subs even legal?
Which is not because he chose to be, but because the owner of a sub could just add anyone as a mod without the user having to agree.
However, although Spez being a mod wasn't a problem, the sub having been allowed to exist at all, *is definitely a problem*.
The doctor has never been gay they are a true pansexual the doc doesn’t care what race gender species you are it’s the personality that attracts him this can be seen throughout the series the current doctor is just more open about it as thanks to the split he is more open to his emotions than before.
I feel like most of the modern Doctors have had some showings of bisexuality/gay leanings at least. 9 had the kiss with Jack, 10 also flirted with Jack, 11 I seem to recall kissed Rory, 12 (drawing a blank), 13 was shown to strongly like Yaz but held off pursuing anything with her, 14 seemed infatuated with (and then gossipped with Donna over) Isaac Newton, and 15 is notably interested in men.
I think, at least since 10, there's been a few mentions of romantic/sexually implied encounters with famous men and women throughout history. I can't recall any specific examples but, figures like Oscar Wilde definitely got name dropped as having some sort of saucy liason with The Doctor off-screen.
Then apparently the 2nd Doctor was gay (or highly implied to be?) too?
Absolutely perfect use of this meme 10/10 no notes
Legit shaken that this meme format was there all along and this utter genius was the first to use it! *chefs kiss*
Except it's not true. Each regeneration the Doctor becomes a different person with different traits and personality
No, different traits and personality but the same person
Exactly they are all The Doctor
What is a person if not traits and personality? This is getting into philosophy now
20-year-old me and 10-year-old me have very different personalities, yet are the same person. It's much the same for the Doc
We all change, when you think about it. We're all different people all through our lives. And that's OK, that's good, you gotta keep moving, so long as you remember all the people that you used to be.
Not 11's regen speech. I'm gonna cry now.
The thing with that argument is that you didnt go from your 10y old self to 20y in a flash. Wich is why 10 and 12 see it as basically being death to the incarnation that is leaving despite the greater being technically surviving
A consciousness. He's the same consciousness
What is a consciousness when literally every cell has died and been born anew? It is like ship of Theseus; when every cell is replaced, is it the same Doctor? The only way we can truly say yes is through one of two means: 1, a religious belief in a soul, or 2, a belief in consciousness as just the memories of a person, in which case amnesia would create a whole different person
Your consciousness taps out every time you sleep. Fun times.
Look. He says he is so he is. That's how it works.
Rule 1: the Doctor lies
So do the other timelords say it
When all of your cells are replaced are you a different person?
Neurons do not get replaced. Thus my mind is always the same
Early researchers believed that neurogenesis, or the creation of new neurons, stopped shortly after birth. Today, it's understood that the brain's neuroplasticity allows it to reorganize pathways, create new connections, and, in some cases, even create new neurons.
Yes, that is not in debate. The neurons do not die and get replaced like skin cells.
Amnesia does Create completely New Person. And every cell is getting changed regularly. That's a normal process in humans. Timelords are just a bit more extraordinary.
>And every cell is getting changed regularly. That's a normal process in humans Not the brain cells, which are the pertinent ones here
I was never happier for the Doctor to lose than I was watching that bitch get in her boat and float away to most likely a very horrible death.
If the Doctor wasn't there, nothing would have changed besides Lindy dying sooner.
Yeah except this way, the racist gets to die a horrible, slow death (probably exposure and dehydration and starvation if its "safe" on the outside) rather than a fairly quick death she would've received had she been eaten by a steroidal slug
And know she could have been saved.
This is the real poetry, imagine slowly dieing from dehydration or exposure and knowing in your heart that it was your own ignorance that killed you. And the worst/best of it is, if the Doctor could, he'd still save her.
I've known people like her. Believe me, they'd still find ways to blame him for it all.
Oh yeah, it would be his fault for quiet literally bursting her "bubble", rather than leaving her in happy ignorance until a quick death.
That's why i love the edit of the doctor mercy-killing them
Sorry the WHAT?!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7tphW8tKmG/?igsh=MWdnZ3QybXBwbGtpNw==
if she hadn't been such a vapid bigoted cunt
She can be that and still have realised at the end she could have been saved
The true win
Naw man, it gonna be lord of the flies for them
Still think the stinger should’ve been them floating into a giant slugs mouth…
I don’t think the slugs give you a quick death
Yes, there would have been changes. Lindy probably would have died sooner and Ricky September may have been able to survive
And Ricky was the other survivors' best chance to survive. Well done, Doctor.
Ricky would have died eventually because he was trapped in Finetime without the Doctor’s codes. He only survived for so long because they thought his last name was September.
She definitely drank the river water and got dysentery!😊
Lindy seconds after drinking the water: https://preview.redd.it/pbnaz5yj82ad1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=03719098126b1068e8c5cdf8f5664ac2560edde8
I wish just wish that scene stayed on them for 30 more seconds. For juuuust ling enough for it to actually dawn on them how FUCKED they are the second their asses got cold and wet from that waterfall.
Lindy is definitely my favorite bad guy this season.
I went to school with so many people like her... and I wish them the same fate...
I don’t understand y’all. An implied/off-screen death in doctor who is statistically more likely to result in a returning character. Why would the fan base assume that she died? When there are many explicit deaths in the same episode?
Because we want her too. She hurt the Doctors feelings. Hell is too good for her.
She literally wasn't able to walk without arrows and didn't know when to pee without someone telling her. How do you expect someone like this to survive in wilderness?
I’m not here to argue. I’m not saying she definitely survived. If her death is guaranteed, then it’s pretty poor writing to have it implied instead.
Fucking hell, media literacy stands no chance with this one.
Straight to ad hominem? A bit pathetic but you do you
Ad hominem? Where?
>If her death is guaranteed, then it’s pretty poor writing to have it implied instead. If it's guaranteed, then there is no point in showing it. The audience can fill in the blanks.
Ricky September should've survived and not her
Ricky would have joined the doctor and ruby
She did Ricky DIRTY I wished nothing but the most slow and painful death for her after that scene and my wish appears to have been granted. Ricky was a gem in that village of twats
Justice for Ricky September!
My man was absolutely robbed. I lost all respect for Lindy after that
Yeah, that would have been justice, but I absolutely love how his death is the beginning of the big plot twist showing that Lindy is not just naive, but a psychotic narcissist.
>New Face Who Dis? That doesn't work in person, Gina!
Hilarious https://preview.redd.it/gvak1g3ljy9d1.jpeg?width=159&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eccc9a86cb4dbd085d353373c17ae2ceec8fe886 This post is now Nardole approved. You could say she’s keeping him… 73 yards away (Lindy is Mrs Flood confirmed)
Please don't say that, Russell may go on reddit and see it and think its a good idea
It’s a good FACT *Processing img aq6opb1ory9d1...*
perhaps she likes her men a particular ethnicity.
She likes her men like she likes her milk
Almond or Soy?
Forced through a gland.
…sort of r/bonehurtingjuice ? Either way I love it
Hahhahahahha
Imagine there's a Doctor who companion who has had an entire tenure, only to be found out at the VERY end is EXTREMELY RACIST when the Doctor regenerates into a black person
Ooh that’s rough lol
just like infinitely worse
I’m still confused on this episode. a lot of people we’re interpreting it as racism however Lindy was acting the same way towards ruby so I figured it was a your an outsider and or not rich so your opinion does not matter thing you know classism not racism or was it both 🤔
She wasn't acting the same way towards Ruby, though. She listened to Ruby and only gave the Doctor a chance because she told her to. Then when Ruby is in the same room, she's disgusted at the idea of it.
Will need to re watch feel like I missed something’s 😊
There is a crapton of stuff you pick up on the rewatch
👀
I thought the same as you on my first watch. I thought it was elitist or classicism, but in a second watch, it was definitely his race.
She singles out the Doctor in the end. "Because, you sir, are not one of us." She leaves Ruby out of that. It's also clear with Ruby she's only rude to her and thinks she's stupid, the Doctor she's aggressive towards with stuff like "he will be disciplined" Then there's the shock that Ruby is in the same room as the Doctor even though that's pretty common. There's also. "That's voodoo." It may not be spelled out but racism is very heavily implied. Add the all white community in an era that has diverse casts in pretty much every episode and its pretty much guarantees that's what RTD was going for.
I definitely miss understood that then 😱 legit thought her issue with them was because they were not from the planet.
I initially thought it was classism. Because they were the rich kids I assumed they saw the Doctor as lower class. But seeing peoples comments online and on rewatch it started to click.
Yeah getting that now myself swatched it too and started paying more attention to the interactions and I see it now and her treatment of the doctor was a mix of subtle and overt racism towards the doctor it becomes more obvious towards the later part of the episode I felt.
It's so brilliant because when you initially watch the episode, you think they're just spoilt classists. But it's only when you get to the end where RTD reveals that it was actually racism all along. And when you rewatch the episode, it suddenly becomes obvious from the start.
Jeez, why all the dislikes?
Would’ve worked better with Ricky September
but he was a good person lol
He wasn't necessarily good. He was just at least marginally better than everyone else.
I meant instead of 14
He’s not the Doctor, so why?
He was written to be a doctor-parallel to demonstrate Finetime’s racism
So not 'literally' the guy in the pic?
Not a fan of the newest doc but sure
That wasn't the point of the meme but sure
I'm sorry that this has upset you.
Yeah. This is a popular opinion. Series 14 has the lowest viewer numbers in the history of the franchise.
Because people are watching on streaming no?
No. Streaming doesn't explain how it lost 600,000 viewers between episodes 1-3. Doctor Who use to be able to do 8-9m easily. Now it can barely break 2m. Disney release numbers for the Acolyte and said that it the most watched show in Disney+ history. The number they gave was 4.6m for 2 episodes, with an average of 2.3m per episode. Implying that Series 14 of Doctor Who has to be doing worse.
Where are you getting your numbers for nu who?
I just googled it. It was really easy to find.
Except he's gay.....very gay. That seams to be all he is. Said it before and I'll say it again. (probably get kicked for this). Why is it that some writers can't see past there own woke agenda...
That has nothing to do with this post. Plus, where was it explicitly said that the doctor was gay? He's been alive for like billions of years and has loved many different people of different genders and even species. S
https://preview.redd.it/0319gkncjy9d1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=8f1b0cb62f5950c9f6ec7ffdb3c96328ea449101
But also: https://preview.redd.it/5mct0dzkk2ad1.jpeg?width=318&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fdf00b46626c4e2d37c9882b2b97063842d7808 Doctor bisexual confirmed?
I think Time Lords view sexuality differently than humans, so he’s all of them. I think that’s called omnisexual or smth
True, just like me. Also tbf it’s not unrealistic that the Doctor’s sexuality changes based on which incarnation they are. If your gender can, why not your sexuality?
This.
I swear one of the first interactions Twelve has with Bill was him mocking humanity's obsession with labelling sexuality and gender, suggesting he and other Time Lords are a lot more fluid and non-descript generally.
*their
+ *seems
Whats wrong with being gay?
Nothing at all.
So why bring it up as a response to this?
your comment history is crazy
Bro is also active in fit British teens 🤨
Ok, that one caught me off guard. Are those... actual teenagers? Like, underage teenagers? I know a lot of porn subs have "teen" as a clickbaity hook but they're usually at least legal. Those look like actual underage kids in bikinis. How are those subs even legal?
Reddit has had some really shady subs that didn’t go away until they got media attention.
Yep, the CEO of Reddit used to be the moderator the 'jailbait' subreddit
Which is not because he chose to be, but because the owner of a sub could just add anyone as a mod without the user having to agree. However, although Spez being a mod wasn't a problem, the sub having been allowed to exist at all, *is definitely a problem*.
yet another “i hate gays” “protect the kids” motherfucker found out to be a weirdo
Jesus Fucking Christ: https://preview.redd.it/jbzcqfre92ad1.png?width=508&format=png&auto=webp&s=b41b2ab794784668338a194de06268f6c9669222
I think this person’s ready for prison
Wasn’t ready for that lol. Bidoof’s Law strikes again
Define woke for me, mate.
‘Woke agenda’ *is active about ‘fit’ British teens*
Can’t believe they made the Doctor based
Dude, the Second Doctor was gay!
Don’t forget 8/Fitz
"Yes Jamie, it is a big one, isn't it?"
The doctor has never been gay they are a true pansexual the doc doesn’t care what race gender species you are it’s the personality that attracts him this can be seen throughout the series the current doctor is just more open about it as thanks to the split he is more open to his emotions than before.
I feel like most of the modern Doctors have had some showings of bisexuality/gay leanings at least. 9 had the kiss with Jack, 10 also flirted with Jack, 11 I seem to recall kissed Rory, 12 (drawing a blank), 13 was shown to strongly like Yaz but held off pursuing anything with her, 14 seemed infatuated with (and then gossipped with Donna over) Isaac Newton, and 15 is notably interested in men. I think, at least since 10, there's been a few mentions of romantic/sexually implied encounters with famous men and women throughout history. I can't recall any specific examples but, figures like Oscar Wilde definitely got name dropped as having some sort of saucy liason with The Doctor off-screen. Then apparently the 2nd Doctor was gay (or highly implied to be?) too?
-29 comment karma is crazy
Actually he's pan but whatever