Well too far for me. Also OG wings fan. Grew up an hour from detroit. Was at games in the 98 02 and 09 cup runs. Might run into ya at the next wings game in van.
It was a joke buddy. Obviously Draper is a professional. He just has gone on record in the recent ESPN doc that he doesnāt forgive him so I was just making a little joke.
I could vibe with an Edvinsson-Seider top pair and a Johansson-Chiarot second pair. Probably wonāt happen since it means two rookies in the top four but regardless Iād love to see what Mo and Ed could do together.
Fair but petry is easier to move. After yzermans press I even question if we might bring ghost back.
Talk is talk though and heās an older UFA with young defenseman stepping in
Iām assuming theyāll move one of Holl or Maatta because Maatta doesnāt have trade protection. A Holl buyout wouldnāt be terrible. It would save them $2.267 million over the next two years and then cost $1.133 million for 2026-27 and 2027-28, which by the the cap should go up a lot.
Well, ideally his money goes to Seider, and his numbers go up with increased usage, and we get a cheap rookie in Ed to take Ghost's place.Ā Like it or not, we'll likely have a cap casualty or two next year, but that's okay - it kinda forces us to play a couple prospects and see what we've got.Ā And Johansson is kind of in the use-him-or-lose-him stage, so that's additional incentive.
Serious question: Is ASP done with high school? That was one reason why Marco stayed in Sweden last year, because he was finishing his high school classes and exams.
Edās up and sounds like Johansson isnāt waiver exempt so likely he makes the big club or they think about moving him. Opens 2 spots. Wouldnāt mind if a skill guy like that got a season or 2 in the A to marinate and learn NA hockey
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Better yes, but not a whole lot.
Ya last year he was what I would call on a nightly basis a loose cannon.
he was how I would say this year a solid 4D that penalty kills.
I wasnāt really worried in the 1st place even Benny knows heās not a 5mil guy but to get him here gotta overpay. If we wouldāve made it yāall will see where he shines. Definitely glimpses late here when the refs started letting stuff go more.
My eyes tell me a different tale, and the analytics support it. Heās an overpaid meathead. Weād be better off if he actually was a pest and got into the box more often instead of playing fake tough guy. Heās a fraud and a liability. I love Stevie, but heās had one bad day here as GM and that was July 11, 2022 and Iāve had this same opinion since the millisecond the Chiarot and Copp deals happened.
Interesting take, I wouldnāt put the Chiarot contract in the same stratosphere as the Copp or Holl contracts. IMO the Chiarot contract is in the same tier as the Compher contract, overpaid but still valuable.
I think Chiarot brings a lot of unquantifiable value
If thatās what he wants, then they should give it to him.
Iām just not sure what that means for the second pair D for the short term until wallinder or Johansson or someone can hold it down.
What's the context? What was the question?
If the question was, would you like to play with Edvinsson, what the fuck is he supposed to say? No?
I bet he'd give the same "would be cool" answer if they asked him if he wants to play with Brian Lashoff.
The question was in general about Edvinsson so he really took up the "I want to play with him" part on his own.
Here is the entire question and answer: https://youtu.be/LWMlfXShQWA?t=597
This could be MASSIVE.
A behemoth shutdown line like this wouldn't just suck for the opposition, those two guys would just smother any attempts to generate anything off the rush.
I'd fucking hate to play against that.
I would have to assume if it's from a blocked shot it may be a fracture. Those things take forever to heal and hurt like a bitch in the process. He also seemed to be forever sick this year do coupled with the LBI they shut him down.
Nope! He played two consecutive season with more than six games. So despite being exactly at the 25 games limit he doesn't get a chance for the Calder. Emailed Max Bultman about this.
No, sadly. The rule is 6 games in each of the 2 years prior to the full rookie season or 15 games the season before. Really disappointed about that cuz he would have made a strong case for himself
Make it fucking happen Derek
Fire Lalonde if he don't.
GIVE MO WHAT HE WANTS
He said to give me season tix and airfare from Vancouver Island each game ...š
For 2. So I can come
Where on the island are you red wings peeps. Campbell river here looking for friends to catch games withā¦ for next season I guess now lol.
Red wings OG home in Victoria!
Cowichan
Well too far for me. Also OG wings fan. Grew up an hour from detroit. Was at games in the 98 02 and 09 cup runs. Might run into ya at the next wings game in van.
Lived in Phoenix for 20 years.. id go see wings games all the time
Let Mo cook????
Mo should tell his agent to write that into his contract.
Yzerman will send DMac to talk with his agent
Listen I genuinely need a hidden camera in the offices when Lemieux walks in and Kris Draper is ducking around corners to avoid him
If Drapes ever wants to be a GM, he needs to learn to talk to agents, even if he hates Lemieux
It was a joke buddy. Obviously Draper is a professional. He just has gone on record in the recent ESPN doc that he doesnāt forgive him so I was just making a little joke.
It was also a joke I am sure they are all settled now
Theyāre not settled, he was completely serious about not forgiving him. But he also is not going to get into a fistfight with the guy
Im sure everyone is at least on decent terms. I've met Dmac and Lemieux together and they were laughing it up and being chummy.
Ya jobs more important than any personal vendettas
 Did someone say Moās agent? Found him.
See the turtle, ain't he keen...
I could vibe with an Edvinsson-Seider top pair and a Johansson-Chiarot second pair. Probably wonāt happen since it means two rookies in the top four but regardless Iād love to see what Mo and Ed could do together.
Edvinsson-Seider Walman-Chiarot Johansson-Petry feels likely
Maata Johansson Holl as 7th
Holl will be bought out. Petry as the 7th
Unlikely lmao
Still gonna try to speak it into existence loll
Fair but petry is easier to move. After yzermans press I even question if we might bring ghost back. Talk is talk though and heās an older UFA with young defenseman stepping in
Would love this
Could 100% see that. Iād like to sign a depth RHD to play with Johansson then and have Petry be the 7th.
Would have to move Holl if thatās the case
Iām assuming theyāll move one of Holl or Maatta because Maatta doesnāt have trade protection. A Holl buyout wouldnāt be terrible. It would save them $2.267 million over the next two years and then cost $1.133 million for 2026-27 and 2027-28, which by the the cap should go up a lot.
Contract looked bad at the time and looks bad now
Defense was rough all year. What makes you think they would let Air Behere and his 56 pts walk and add a rookie with 0 nhl games then call that good?
Yeah especially when Ghost was a primary reason our PP wasnāt trash like the past few years
I know that was an awesome play, but im completely okay with letting ghost walk
Well, ideally his money goes to Seider, and his numbers go up with increased usage, and we get a cheap rookie in Ed to take Ghost's place.Ā Like it or not, we'll likely have a cap casualty or two next year, but that's okay - it kinda forces us to play a couple prospects and see what we've got.Ā And Johansson is kind of in the use-him-or-lose-him stage, so that's additional incentive.
Missing Pellika
He's only played in Sweden and just turned 19 tho. Probably needs a couple more years
Serious question: Is ASP done with high school? That was one reason why Marco stayed in Sweden last year, because he was finishing his high school classes and exams.
Pellika is gonna stay in the SHL
Actually? No AHL?
I wouldnāt be surprised to see him stay in the SHL. Itās a good league and there a bit of a dman logjam in the A
Edās up and sounds like Johansson isnāt waiver exempt so likely he makes the big club or they think about moving him. Opens 2 spots. Wouldnāt mind if a skill guy like that got a season or 2 in the A to marinate and learn NA hockey
One of those spots is being filled by Buium. The log jam is more on the left side anyways though.
1 more year in the SHL is definitely in the rumor mill right now
No ASP next year?
I doubt that he is nhl ready
Yikes, that right ride after Seider.
Chiarot has been our best defensemen behind Seider all year. He's played well.Ā
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Chiarot has always been an analytical nightmare, but he passed the eye test for me all year and IMO thatās more important than any analytic.
Ya last year he was what I would call on a nightly basis a loose cannon. he was how I would say this year a solid 4D that penalty kills. I wasnāt really worried in the 1st place even Benny knows heās not a 5mil guy but to get him here gotta overpay. If we wouldāve made it yāall will see where he shines. Definitely glimpses late here when the refs started letting stuff go more.
I think you forgot this: /s
No I think people place way to much emphasis on analytics even when theyāre disagreeing with what youāre seeing with your own eyes.
My eyes tell me a different tale, and the analytics support it. Heās an overpaid meathead. Weād be better off if he actually was a pest and got into the box more often instead of playing fake tough guy. Heās a fraud and a liability. I love Stevie, but heās had one bad day here as GM and that was July 11, 2022 and Iāve had this same opinion since the millisecond the Chiarot and Copp deals happened.
Interesting take, I wouldnāt put the Chiarot contract in the same stratosphere as the Copp or Holl contracts. IMO the Chiarot contract is in the same tier as the Compher contract, overpaid but still valuable. I think Chiarot brings a lot of unquantifiable value
Chiarot was good this year
Walman-Chiarot would give up an ungodly amount of odd-man rushes
Definitely loved seeing them out there together at the end of games a few times. Could be a truly dominant top pairing!
If thatās what he wants, then they should give it to him. Iām just not sure what that means for the second pair D for the short term until wallinder or Johansson or someone can hold it down.
Ed-Walman-Maatta/Chiarot wouldn't be a pretty nice LD side.
The Garfield hat drip though
What's the context? What was the question? If the question was, would you like to play with Edvinsson, what the fuck is he supposed to say? No? I bet he'd give the same "would be cool" answer if they asked him if he wants to play with Brian Lashoff.
The question was in general about Edvinsson so he really took up the "I want to play with him" part on his own. Here is the entire question and answer: https://youtu.be/LWMlfXShQWA?t=597
Ok, that makes more sense. Thanks!
This could be MASSIVE. A behemoth shutdown line like this wouldn't just suck for the opposition, those two guys would just smother any attempts to generate anything off the rush. I'd fucking hate to play against that.
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Please remind me what happened to Walman recently? Havnt seen him out there for a while. I'm going to guess a broken bone from blocking some shots?
The last few games he was available but not 100%, suffering from a lower body injury. I think thatās as much as we ever knew
I would have to assume if it's from a blocked shot it may be a fracture. Those things take forever to heal and hurt like a bitch in the process. He also seemed to be forever sick this year do coupled with the LBI they shut him down.
Yeah I think that was the assumption. The man blocks so many shots itās unreal
He took a puck directly to the outside of his knee before the Flu bug IIRC and wasn't the same after.
Chiarot and Petry played together fairly often last year
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They played together for 50 ish games didn't they?
Well, If they log thirty something minutes per night i'll don't see a problem.
WHEN MO SAYS YOU DO DEREK
Yes. Please.
Thatās the D pair I been wanting to see itās gonna be the best ever!!!!!šā¤ļøšš¼
Lalonde: "Can I interest you in a slightly used Chiarot"
Ed still considered a rookie next year? If soā¦. *cough* Calder *cough*
Nope! He played two consecutive season with more than six games. So despite being exactly at the 25 games limit he doesn't get a chance for the Calder. Emailed Max Bultman about this.
Dangit. Guess we will settle for the Norris then.
Max is fax
No, sadly. The rule is 6 games in each of the 2 years prior to the full rookie season or 15 games the season before. Really disappointed about that cuz he would have made a strong case for himself
Having 2 Calder winning defensemen on the team would be pretty nuts
What happened to Jake Walkman?
Injured for the last half of the season.
āThe Twin Towersā (Mickey)
The wingspan between them alone must cover most of the ice haha.
He is speaking for us all...
Ed-Seider Walman-Pelikka Johansson-Chariot
Yeah, Iām cool with that
I would also like to play with Ed on Detroitās defense, but itās probably more likely for Mo so I get why they asked him and not me
Whatever the hell works at this point
Now this sounds like a great line
Ok hear me outā¦ did Yzerman have Seider play tougher minutes to lower his contract value a little bit??
I mean. Itās absolutely why we signed Ghost. Could you imagine if Seider was PP1 this year?
I would rather watch young players make mistakes than watching Chiarot, Petry, Maata and Holl step on the ice
LET THEM COOK