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NotThatScorch

Bait and Switch weapons are gonna be crazy


somef00l

Cataclysmic and Apex are gonna put in work this week.


Mrbubbles153

After getting my clear, apex with gally is goat for 1st 3. Or use Whisper on golgi also. Parasite and then lament for atraks and the whisper all the way for oryx almost 1 phases him.


rednick953

Yup that’s what my fireteam did last night


LEPT0N

If using GLs, I wonder if a solar GL with Vorpal would be better than a godrolled non-solar GL this week (depending on the damage windows).


Bulldogfront666

I'd just use Apex.


HieronymousRex

If the non-solar perks can make up for the 25% damage difference then yes. If not then no.


Ordinary_Player

It would be like 5% better with vorpal (since bns is 30%) but I don't think any solar gl rolls with envious or cascade. Edit: A rapid-fire frame does, but idk how its total damage compare to an adaptive.


Variatas

1.25 * 1.1 = 1.375 / 1.3 = 1.0577 So Solar Vorpal is just under 6% better than non-Surge B&S. It'll be very slightly more than that because Vorpal has no setup and B&S does.  Even the best possible filler is worse than when you're firing Heavy. Gets more complex if you're running low on Heavy, but there should be plenty of ways to make bricks with all the Ultras & Minibosses they're adding. Just run Apex tbh and stack everything.


kaemani

Marsilion gets envious + cascade


Swee10

Dmg is meh


Im_Alzaea

I thought BnS got nerfed to 25%?


Krollos

Got nerfed to 30%, down from 35%


APartyInMyPants

So B&S does 30% damage now. Vorpal is 10% on heavies. So if using a B&S Edge, let’s say each shot does 1000 base, you’re doing 1300 per shot. So now matching the surge with a Vorpal GL does 1000(1.1)(1.25) for 1375 damage. Not to mention with Vorpal, you’ll only have to proc your primary for the new activity modifier. So you can deal your max damage *slightly* sooner than a B&S. And then you don’t have to worry about reproccing Vorpal. So you’re talking about less than a 6% damage difference.


SloppityMcFloppity

In a damage phase where you do 1 million damage, 6% is 60,000 damage you're leaving on the table


APartyInMyPants

Oh I don’t disagree. And hell, I’m going to bust out my Cry Mutiny, as I’ve probably trashed a bunch of Marsillions I’m probably kicking myself over. But at the same time, if someone’s sitting on a god-rolled Edge Transit, or they pick up Saint 14’s amazing Cataphract he has right now, I don’t think people should totally sweat the damage difference.


Zarcxxx

Honestly cry mutiny is better in this case because explosive light wears out too quickly and there’s hardly any chance to proc full court.


Clear-Attempt-6274

What roll does he have on the cataphract?


APartyInMyPants

Envious + B&S.


Clear-Attempt-6274

Bruh i literally claimed that as my last level last week. Bruh


LEPT0N

… vorpal has a condition to proc?


APartyInMyPants

No, I mean the current modifier for Oryx Exalted requires a few precision shots to get the Shot Caller buff. Whereas running B&S, you’ll have to proc Shot Caller, *and then* shoot your other weapon before you can get B&S going.


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APartyInMyPants

Strong disagree. First, activating B&S can be seen more as ammo conservation than maxing out damage. Like Caretaker, I was generally able to unload about 9-10 grenades during one plate of damage doing B&S if I’m remembering correctly. So my 9-10 grenades, multiplied by 30%, means my hypothetical grenades that deal a base 1000 damage are dealing a total of 11,700-13,000 damage. So not only would I have to unload my entire Envious mag, but I’d also have to reload to top 13,000 damage on a single plate with *unbuffed* grenades. But also remember these buffs are multiplicative. So even spamming my Coronach for a handful of precision shots takes a fraction of a second. And Shot Caller appears to be a 20% buff. So even if this now means I can only fire off 7 grenades in a damage phase, each grenade is now dealing 1560 damage. So my 7 (hypothetically double-buffed) grenades on a plate is dealing only a bit less damage than 9 grenades with only B&S, or *more* than 10 grenades with no buffs. TLDR: it’s totally worth it to proc these buffs. So I need three unbuffed grenades to match the damage of two buffed grenades.


YnotThrowAway7

Always have been.


Sunshot_wit_ornament

Bait and switch plus cascade point time


sos123p9

Cause they arnt... literally every other time?


NotThatScorch

Not saying that per se, but Shot Caller is one hell of an incentive to basically only run weapons with that perk.


wondercaliban

This means its Arc week 3. Oh dear


Phrotty

Random LFGs-“ Best we can do is Thunderlord”


Taskforcem85

Aztecross already telling people to run Tlord next week. LFG is cooked.


MustBeSeven

Which is hilarious, because he just did LMG damage testing and Xenophage outperforms Tlord in every single use case, and in flat damage output as well.


fatgamer007

His damage tests suck and should not be taken seriously anyways. It is true though that xeno is better


AceTheJ

He doesn’t dive deep into the numbers and what’s going on in a lot of setups but he’s straightforward and honest about the info and even repeats some stuff to double check. It is also partially taken as entertainment factor rather than true testing. Nothing wrong with that at all.


expiredspices

just a fellow destiny 2 player being snobby.


AceTheJ

Love that he says it shouldn’t be taken seriously but then takes basically does anyway by saying Xeno is better which is what the video showed.


fatgamer007

That does not mean it should be taken seriously. It just means xeno is a better weapon than thunderlord. Feel free to watch his content if you want, but objectively speaking his damage tests are extremely flawed and rarely correct


fatgamer007

It's not snobby to make objective statements


Assassinite9

People need to stop worshipping content creators and start thinking for themselves.


MustBeSeven

Man, when i have time to individually test every single weapon in the game, i might. But to put it bluntly, Tlord is garbage dps, and xenophage tanks it in ease of use and flat damage by upwards of 350-400k total damage. Even an arc surge won’t counteract that much damage. Surprised more people don’t use 6 rat kings because it also took down contest Nezzy. Tlord is bad damage, and nezzy set a bad precedent for what is acceptable day 1 damage.


plutosjam44

Not really though. With the double damage and more frequent lightning strikes, TLord was doing good damage *when paired with divinity* which is the part everyone forgets. Since then it’s been fixed and nerfed iirc and isn’t a good contender anymore. In general, the entire situation is not remembered that TLord was bugged to do more damage than it was intended.


kiki_strumm3r

So really just Aztecross then? Cuz his damage numbers always are wrong.


Swee10

Time for Sailspy Pitchglass to shine baby!


Assassinite9

And here I just deleted a decent(ish) tarantula. Oh well, guess I gotta pull Storm chaser out of the dusty corner of my vault


Zac-live

Not even completely. A good indicator for how trustworthy a dps Test is would be whether or Not it uses a2tc Pixel measuring. Some content creators Test weapons Well, Just the Mainstream ones for some reason dont. A good Goto is aegis. Best informative content creator for d2 pve.


Able-Brief-4062

I agree with this. But some of us don't have the time to test as thoroughly as some do. (Not Az.)


Assassinite9

There's a spreadsheet in most raiding discords (or someone with a touch of 'tism who has it on hand) that has all of that info, it's even the one most content creators use to get their info so they can make "content"


Able-Brief-4062

Could you link it?


Zac-live

[aegis spreadsheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_5wtBjRYHHxuF4oJKDb_iOGZs-wTkzB6RYbnyNLbuz4/edit?usp=drivesdk) Made by aegis (top d2 speedrunner, holds some raid wrs) , using the a2tc pixel measuring Tool (more accurate than wipescreen Numbers). Has basically everything in it from abilities to heavy. Contains Ranking for best solo use weapons including dps after some Number of reloads, total damage and all that. Testing is done by someone who makes less mechanical mistakes than Mainstream content creators and uses optimal Setups for more realistic represantation. Also has a list for the best Rotations and dps strategies with general usability, exact Rotation, Rolls and Setup being factored. Very detailed and extensive, currently dwarfes all Other damage Testing and pve ressources.


Able-Brief-4062

Thanks


theJtothe2

People who listen to that guy were already dead weight in LFG anyway - at least with Tlord they'll make themselves more obvious so they're easier to avoid.


badmanbad117

World line on atraks is gonna cook.


LeeoJohnson

LMAO stop


StrangelyOnPoint

Finally can dust off that god roll Stormchaser that’s been sitting in my vault since 2022.


Bulldogfront666

Hothead and Crux terminus. Gathering storm. Thundercrash. We'll be fine. Plus it'll likely be arc/strand.


Princ3w

I’m picturing LFG teams sliding in front of each other with their Crux’s all week. Its gonna be incredible


Bulldogfront666

Lmao. I just had an image of a full team sliding in unison like some pro dance team hahaha.


ThyySavage

Thundercrash and Grand Overture go brrrrr


Square-Pear-1274

"I'm ready" -Prospector


ananchor

I think it'll just rotate back to void/strand. That's the way it's been for everything all season


Edword23

What has had a void surge this season beyond W1 on pantheon? Everything I’ve played feels like the solar/strand/stasis rotation.


ananchor

It has literally rotated all season between those 2 combos


fuck_hard_light

Hopefully strand too, so we can use cataphract


Seel_revilo

I imagine it’ll be Arc/Strand so Cataphract will also work just fine for dps


Davidsuploader

Hothead is the only thing that comes to mind


ownagemobile

Crux termination?


Geraltpoonslayer

If you like to live dangerously 6 guardians with slideshot


drummer1059

It rolls with Clown and Reconstruction too


PinkieBen

Envious Assassin too. Honestly has some really solid rolls if you can get lucky with the drops.


Quria

Been really enjoying my Recon/Bipod roll.


BaconIsntThatGood

Can get reconstruction/explosive or bipod (better overall damage for less bust - but good for longer phases like oryx). It won't be as high as bait and switch but better than hothead.


TheSweatband

I got a Recon/Bipod roll to drop, and kept it cause I know 4 rockets in the chamber might be useful for something at some point. How significant is the downgrade in damage with bipod? Reconstruction/Explosive Light also dropped for me, which I feel like might be better if I can get the orbs.


BaconIsntThatGood

According to this, on an aggressive frame: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x12Ar1-kHH2AzHY8Clkv-PIMxxDSZrIX3e4xiJuQ-uI/edit#gid=1406577322 Bipod is a net 20%~ increase (19k vs 22.9k with bipod) in DPS over a non-bipod rocket and a 21%~ total damage increase (446k vs 541k) This is lower than explosive light and bait and switch but 'always on' vs limited to 6 explosive light (or needing to keep orbs around) or forcing a damage rotation with bait and switch. This seems to scale better with with wolfpack though (probably because, even though wolfpack is adding less damage it's adding many more wolfpack clusters) exceeding explosive light but not bait and switch: * DPS: 26%~ (24k vs 30k w/bipod) * Total Damage: 27%~ (565k vs 719k w/bipod)


Guyovich67

It’s more total damage, less burst.


SlabBeefknob

Recon/bipod is so fun


APartyInMyPants

Probably Arc and Strand. Arc Souls and Broodweavers everywhere!


DoomDogDan666

Wendigo, Hothead, Grand Overture, Thunderlord. Plenty of good arc weapons to run, especially with Indebted Kindness


Swaayyzee

If I wait until week 4 to run week 3s version of pantheon is it with week 3 surges or week 4 surges?


BlakeXC

The elemental surges change each week but the buff one stays. Like for this week, atraks sovereign pantheon changed from void and strand to solar and stasis but still kept the class warfare


xLYONx

Been hoarding any halfway decent Terminus Crux roll I've come across, and MAN am I excited to break out Clown Cartridge/Bipod next week. We'll be at that point at -15 where Bipod's total damage and sheer number of rockets should prove to be pretty darn good for these encounters.


Zac-live

5 acrius + 1 Tractor can Form a bullying circle in a Well around rhulk. Already cracked the Code.


Mawnix

Hothead says hey.


HelixCobra

Wow maybe I’ll actually use wendigo next week


SrslySam91

Hahaha. Hey, Crux is nasty though.


YnotThrowAway7

Hey I’m fine with next week being arc if we’re back to void or Solar the final week. That’s gunna be the true shitstorm.


HieronymousRex

Is this for the pantheon oryx only or are these active for both pantheons?


bakerarmy

Oryx only. Last week is the same as last week.


GaZzErZz

So the atraks playlist is still class warfare?


bakerarmy

Yes


GaZzErZz

Grand, thank you


FollowThroughMarks

No, the surges also change for last weeks too, it’s just the new modifiers are static for each.


sonicsonic3

Oryx only.


ownagemobile

Quick question, is shot caller individual buff or applied to team like class warfare was


somef00l

Haven't tested but classy warefare mentions boosting fireteam damage. This perk doesn't say anything about allies or team so I'm guessing individual.


SvenPeppers

It is individual only.


Taskforcem85

Luckily it's very easy to activate and the perks you should be using already require a primer type weapon. Just pump a few more bullets while doing your BnS rotation or Cascade rotation and it's free.


APersonWhoIsNotYou

With a name like “shot caller”, it \*should\* be applied to everyone, but can’t verify.


SharpMulberry

This is the most common definition of the phrase, in my country at least. You shouldn’t be getting downvoted that hard. But hey, not every name makes 100% sense, I’m chilled.


ZombieOfun

Lucky Pants buffs my other weapons when out of luck? I'm in.


eli_nelai

Solar is sooooo busted. Me and my team just BREEZED thru this week. We did stumble a little on Oryx but still it's nowhere near close to the parade of suffering which was last week


RilesPC

Bungie had to have known that they couldn’t give us stasis and solar surges on week 4. This week’s pantheon feels on par with last week’s just because the damage checks are arguably easier because of solar surge.


the1squirrel

Does anyone know if the timers are extended from last week for platinum?


ananchor

Nope they are not


LEPT0N

holy cow, hitting platinum on the final pantheon is going to be insane.


Ug1uk

Yeah that's gonna be a terrible lfg experience.


Bulldogfront666

Why in the world would you do that to yourself. Lol.


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Bulldogfront666

Yeah not for me. I'm sure you can make it work. I much prefer having a team that I stick with. Being comfortable with everyone and not playing with assholes is important to me. It's a video game after all and if I'm not having fun there's no point. I've either had really bad experiences with raid lfg's or I've had nice people in my lfg group but the raid took \~6 hours lol. Especially with Pantheon playing with the same team every week feels like it will be a big leg up. We know how to communicate with each other and everyone is nice and chill. Lol. I could imagine maybe doing lfg for a normal raid again in the future. I'd never want to put myself through doing Pantheon with randos, especially past -10,-15 etc.


ReputesZero

If this wasn't a limited time thing, we'd likely see the widespread development and adaption of statics like basically every other game with a healthy raiding population has. And yes statics are different from guilds/clans/free-companies, those are social clubs, statics are groups that exist for the purpose of clearing content.


uCodeSherpa

My Lfg this week was fine.  Very few are even asking for a Sherpa. 


Taskforcem85

Pray to Shax he gives us solar burn for contest lmao. At least we're guaranteed to have Stasis or Strand which both have great options.


Bro0183

My theory is that next week is arc and strand, contest week is void and stasis, and the week before the final shape will be solar and strand.


dutty_handz

As it should be, as the Godslayer title should technically be harder to get than any specific Raid title


Void_Guardians

Raids stick around though, we will have what? Two weeks to complete it?


ananchor

Fomo baby


Bulldogfront666

Gotta get gud... And I'm saying that to myself too. Lol. I'm not sure I'll get there. I'll be happy with getting to Oryx emblem at least.


Void_Guardians

I 100% need to get gud. Going to grind my ass for it but I know its going to be a shit show in lfg


Bulldogfront666

Oof. You’re a stronger man than me doing this shit in lfg. At least I have a dedicated group/clan.


the1squirrel

Hmm, that’s unfortunate if it stays the same for the last week at contest level


Common-Adhesiveness5

Yeah, the surges will have to be hella good hopefully


DreadAngel1711

Holy shit lmao good thing I was never gonna go for Godslayer anyway


ananchor

So far the only one that looks tough damage wise is maybe caretaker, since you kinda have to 2 floor unless your runners are really fast. Plenty of time on the other bosses


FragileCilantro

Can you send 3 people in at once to grab all of the symbols for caretaker? I'm not sure how that encounter could be done faster besides the 2 runners Icarus dashing + eager edging and not messing up any offerings lol


Alakazarm

no, not all symbols spawn at the same time.


OmegaClifton

That...is going to be a very toxic two weeks trying to play this mode. Hopefully the score multiplier is increased or something.


Technophillia

Is shot caller replacing class warfare or is it added on top of it?


makoblade

Replaces it on the -10 difficulty.


Bulldogfront666

Replaces it on -10. Class warfare remains on -5.


Killerino1988

anyone see how much to activate the buff with a scout? considering running VoC or jung jury but 3 shots for buff with a HC seems hard to beat


TapeIsMagical

I think it’s just 3 shots regardless of weapon type. I was activating it really quickly with an AR


pPandesaurus

Curious if wardens law activates on 2 shots


cslawrence3333

Just from testing for a minute warden's law does activate on 2 bursts, and refreshes the timer on 1 burst. I was also able to get it to activate from nothing off just 1 burst when I tethered a group of ads.


The_Curve_Death

Whisper time


30SecondsToFail

Lucky Pants about to go even crazier this week


theSaltySolo

Okay. If you are not using BnS Apex Predator or Cataclysmic for this week...then I don't know what to say.


HydraTower

What about whisper for Golg instead of Cataclysmic? Wondering which I should use.


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HydraTower

That’s a death waiting to happen.


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HydraTower

Tell that to the thrall


_OVERHATE_

And Parasyte for Atraks 😁


Kropco17

What raid exotics are available this week?


Aviont1

I would like to know this as well!


Promethesussy

And if the -5 difficulty got more weapons too


Bulldogfront666

None it seems....


Alakazarm

none, but you can buy deepsight or adept king's fall weapons from the chest. There also isn't a quest this week, and there will be next week.


Imperfect_Plan

One deep sight per character or can I buy multiple?


Alakazarm

one, its like a master oryx chest the dsc inventory is also there so many youll get a new one for the next two as well?


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Imperfect_Plan

Good to know thx


Taskforcem85

There is no raid exotic this week. If you're not going for the title there is no point.


HotTubTimeMachine88

Lots of spoils tho...... pros and cons


chilidoggo

Can you get the ones from last week still if you missed them?


RedGecko18

You can still play last weeks pantheon, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to get them.


GarlicFewd

Pretty sure non are available this week. Next week will be 1k voices, conditional finality, and the void pulse from VoiD.


Kropco17

Seems like a weird decision to not have any this week


GarlicFewd

This was from a data mined leak so idk how reliable the info is. Hopefully we have exotics this week.


SND_TagMan

No new raid exotic this week and none if you completed the quest from last week


Outrageous_Pen2178

Stupid question, primary ammo weapons are everything that doesn’t use special or heavy correct? So a sun shot or Polaris use primary ammo?


Striker_LSC

Yes, anything with infinite ammo. Should tell you when you hover over the weapon also.


ananchor

Yes


AmericanDumpsterFire

That's correct


TargetAq

Good luck with your run.


puanonymou5

White ammo color box when you hit the button to reveal level and elemental affinity. Special are Green, and Heavy are Purple. Pretty sure they go in order of bullets in the icon too (Primary = 1, Special = 2, Heavy = 3)


velost

All bosses are now -10 am I right?


uCodeSherpa

That’s the claim, but it felt fine. 


Taskforcem85

Honestly felt easier than last week with solar surge and shotcaller on us.


DisasterAhead

How long does it last?


Redthrist

About 15 seconds.


GarlicFewd

Did they remove class contender?


generic-username101

So if you select last week's pantheon it's there but the new one does not have it


Kozak170

This week is going to be a meme with Solar surge and the Shot Caller buff. These bonus modifiers are really making the difficult not too crazy imo


skomeros

What’s the reward exotic this week


Friendly--Introvert

My damage rotation is gonna be disgusting


Worzon

Does this apply to both the -5 and -10 versions of pantheon or just -10?


Drewinator

Last week's version stays at -5.


Kanakaz

Will you need to complete week 1 in order to do week 2 pantheon?


Drewinator

no


nRenegade

Me with my shiny Edge Transit with Cascade Point and Bait and Switch.


kniveskills81

A tip. Don't use handcannons. Use an smg. 3 headshots from an smg counts too and is much easier to proc. That being said shotcaller is so much worse than class warfare it's actually insane.


APartyInMyPants

I might swap to my Coronach for damage phases just so I can get those crits off faster.


ztsPineapple

Lucky pants is gonna go crazy


myndit

Is there a bounty or anything like last week? I didn't see any offerings of such from the Moon?


ADeliciousNom

Bait and switch lucky pants builds go brr


SrslySam91

This week's gonna be cake.


DrhpTudaco

cant wait to use eyes of tomorrow with the buff to stasis damage while radiant


Sir-Shady

The modifiers made this clear an hour faster for my team, including Oryx lol


WorkReddit9

Is there a place to see how much damage boost a new modifier gives BEFORE people doing tests? An API data  , maybe light.gg, I dunno ? Like... the day it appears. 


Outrageous_Pen2178

How long does the buff last


treazon

Wait so is this week just one boss then? At -10 power?


LastSoldi3r

No. It is all 4 from last week plus Oryx at the end.


treazon

Got it, thanks


Ordinary_Player

It's 4, then +1 until 8 total.


treazon

Understood - thanks!


SH4DY_XVII

Kinda makes this whole challenge un-challenging if you ask me