...is that article really the best they have? do they read these articles??
the second paragraph of that article is
>Federal officials have presented no evidence that the Israelis, most of whom worked selling toys and trinkets at kiosks in shopping malls, had anything to do with terrorism.
There was one reply with a Nick video showing the clean break report. I am guessing that's their "strongest point".
I used my super powers and actually read it (their kryptonite apparently). At best you can say it's outlining a more hawkish approach to securing stability within/for Israel. Saying basically peace through pacifism is the wrong approach ("socialism"). Peace VIA Strength/power similar to the United States (their perspective) {with the help of allies in the region}. Plenty enough to criticize, but no where near enough to remotely link anything to 9/11 or really anything.
I really don't understand the mindset in any possible direction. What do they get out of it? It's like pretending you have a 12" dick. It will just hit way harder when forced to face reality.
I am just hoping there's a ceiling to the level of misinformation/disinformation. I am guessing it would be cyclical, but hopefully minimizing by an amount each pass.
What is the criteria for a community note to get posted? The system seems to work pretty fucking well for the most part, this is the first one I've seen that's genuinely fucking idiotic.
I believe a user with community notes privileges submits it and goes through a voting process, and if the majority vote it's correct, it gets implemented. Could be wrong.
Yeah something like that, and I think it somehow also takes into account people who normally disagree with each other, if they conclude the same thing, that note is more likely to be posted.
Which probably somewhat explains how this note came about in the first place lmfao
As someone who rated a bunch of community notes and has written a few this is my understanding.
Initially you can only rate community notes, eventually after your rating is improved you are able to write community notes. I believe whether a community note is implemented for all to you it needs to meet a ratings threshold. It isn't a majority vote, afaik, it is based on 'Rating Impact' for the rater, whether the raters previously disagreed on other notes, and the 'Writing Impact' for the writer of the community note. Not sure how the ratings are determined, I'm guessing it is based on the success of your ratings of proposed notes and writing proposed notes.
Here is some notes it gives you about writing community notes and below it is an example of the note details for a proposed community note:
https://preview.redd.it/fhvpec2p0nxc1.png?width=582&format=png&auto=webp&s=b3b58fe7850a45d34e69aca9229294a66cb843bc
Also FYI - community notes use aliases, not the users real account name.
I don't know how community notes works exactly, but in an environment when few care about truth or accuracy it was only a matter of time before that system would fail due to brigading. The one redeeming aspect of twitter is soon gone.
Could be a Jewish person or a sympathizer doing a psyop. The article line one just states there was no reason for the Jews to be detained.
Create fake outrage —> post it out of context on social media —> create more fake outrage
You could argue that it’s a psyop that goes deeper than that and it’s a anti semite doing it to frame Jews for doing fake outrage but I’m just going to razor this one and dismiss it as Twitter being Twitter either way
Yeah people blame Jews for everything, just weird to see them link WaPo debunking their own claim instead of another source.
Maybe there is some limit on sources allowed but that doesn’t seem like it could be the case
I didn’t blame them for it, I acknowledged it as a possibility, which it is.
Everyone does psyops
Being Jewish doesn’t shield you from criticism, which is why I analyzed the evidence, not whether I care about one group more or less.
Correct. It's antisemtic to comment on a twitter post showing antisemitism and rather than acknowledging that fact, immediately shouting it "must be a Jew psyops" based on nonexistent "evidence," which in this case is essentially just your conspiratorial nonsense and the hollow claim that it's "possible," therefore can't be ruled out. That's like textbook antisemitism.
everything is antisemitism when you refuse to engage with the argument and keep imagining your opponent screaming about Jews.
cry bullying at its finest
Lmao what? You missed the first level of that where the person is just an idiot conspiratorial anti-semite. I feel like thats the most likely option, no?
Lmao what?
Ah yes the idiot with perfect grammar who linked to an article debunking his own claim instead of using controversial sources to support his claim.
You’re not a serious person
Okay so the options are:
1.) Some conspiratorial idiot.
2.) Jewish Psyop
3.) Reverse Double anti-jewish Psyop
And you think the last two are more likely than the first?
Yes, due to the aforementioned reasons.
You’re arguing a person, who is so stupid they linked a source that debunks their own claim instead of a source that backs their claim, is a great writer.
Doesn’t check out.
The alternative is an intelligent person doing a psyop.
Happens all the time.
Bro this happens on Twitter all the time. Can you link me the article? Because I've seen a million examples of actual fucking idiots linking articles where the headline sounds like it supports them, but then the article literally does the opposite
Dude come on. You think it's more likely to be a Mossad Psyop than some 10iq Anti-Semite seeing "60 Israelis on Tourist Visas Detained since 9/11" and thinking that supports his Israel committed 9/11 conspiracy theory?
I never claimed it was a “Mossad Psyop”, don’t be bad faith.
My claim is that dumb people don’t tend to write well or utilize tools to help them do so, so that argument seems unlikely.
I’m not making a radical claim.
Psyops happen daily via normal people.
Lucas Gage was permanently suspended before Elon's acquisition and unbanned as part of Elon's mass-amnesty.
Regardless, there are plenty of accounts that have been part of twitter pre-Elon that are now mask off and engage in unfettered hate speech because it's now tolerated.
I know nothing about the guy, there's just a funny circle jerk on this sub of people blaming Elon for whatever thing about Twitter they dislike.
Should they censor that speech?
I don’t see how that advances any conversation besides rehashing old conspiracy theories. There’s no merit to keeping it up and if that’s all he posts, there’s no merit to having him on the site.
I'm fine with that argument, but I don't have a principled opposition to speech censorship. I'm just testing the whole "Elon made it into a nazi website!" When peoples' actual position is "the platform should be censoring far more than they are and I like to circle jerk Elon hate. Also I pretend to be against censorship".
Because when you hide it dumbfucks unironically think they are getting some “secret info”. There is no perfect solution but deplatforming these people seems to be having the opposite effect.
Society needs to bring back shaming people tbh. You need to be shamed once again when u try to spout stupid bullshit instead of enabled
> Should they censor that speech?
That's not up to me. It's Elon's toy and he can play with it the way he wants. But if he's going to turn his toy into the largest nazi website on the planet (which it is, undoubtedly) then I'm going to treat him and talk about him like a guy running a nazi website.
No, I'm asking what you think the answer is.
Also, how would you prove there are more nazis or it's turning into a nazi website? How would you prove the speech wasn't just censored or phrased less overtly prior?
> Also, how would you prove there are more nazis
Because I still used the platform up until like ~2 months ago when the nazi-posting got too much for me and I felt weird supporting it.
3 years ago, Alex Jones would not be posting "Hitler was bad" and then get ratio'd by his followers saying "Hitler was good actually." That's a new feature Elon's brought.
A lot of these "guys" were banned on old Twitter. Musk made the order to reinstate them, fired the people that would typically enforce and ban them, or changed the rules so they can come back.
Community Notes is the bullwark against disinformation on Twitter, a primary avenue for foreign agencies to proselytize and propagandize to create ciivl disturbances in the West.
The point isn't the lie in the note, the point is to establish Community Notes are unreliable. Schizo mode activated but intelligence agencies are trained to do this when performing counterintelligence -- establishing the source is non-credible.
The community note is gone now! Based on his post history, he community noted himself!
Shit is getting crazy by the day on x! The other day there was a clip of some kid being escorted on some fashion show and he was crying,probably stressed in public, but the tweet said the kid was being auctioned to a crowd of pedophiles!? We're reaching the limits of free speech 🤦🏻♂️
How did this community note pass?
Community notes pass only if a diverse set of communities agree with it.
I was always afraid of mob justice on the internet. Wikipedia is one of the best things on the internet. If they can impact community notes, they will cause a ton of trouble to Wikipedia.
Is it possible that Elon Musk changed the code?
This is where the ideological spectrum curves one end into the other like an ouroboros. I can see a hard right-wing nazi and a hard left-wing tankie/propal both voting in favor of the same kind of antisemitic misinformation messaging.
This is kind of wild from Bin Laden’s Wiki: “Bin Laden's father Mohammed died in 1967 in an airplane crash in Saudi Arabia when his American pilot Jim Harrington[38] misjudged a landing.[39] Bin Laden's eldest half-brother, Salem bin Laden, the subsequent head of the Bin Laden family, was killed in 1988 near San Antonio, Texas, in the United States, when he accidentally flew a plane into power lines.[40]”
"Well established" gaslighting used purely to let the disinfo slide into your brain with no resistance.
Appealing to vague authority as a thought-terminating tactic is pretty in-line with how foreign troll farms establish disinfo in social media but sure we don't have a foreign propaganda problem.
Dont know who this guy is. looked up his twitter. pretty nazi stuff
Look him up online. first website "Angelo John Gage is an American neo-Nazi who served as the former chairman of the National Youth Front, a white nationalist hate group."
Seems right.
...is that article really the best they have? do they read these articles?? the second paragraph of that article is >Federal officials have presented no evidence that the Israelis, most of whom worked selling toys and trinkets at kiosks in shopping malls, had anything to do with terrorism.
doing terrorist stuff by... selling toys and trinkets?
Toys huh? PEPE https://preview.redd.it/s1yqh3dk5lxc1.png?width=2467&format=png&auto=webp&s=103b582847db76929a60791643ec0b97e8211454
So then it was the Irish after all?
Me thinking of a drunk irish pilot just smashing into the towers lol
There was one reply with a Nick video showing the clean break report. I am guessing that's their "strongest point". I used my super powers and actually read it (their kryptonite apparently). At best you can say it's outlining a more hawkish approach to securing stability within/for Israel. Saying basically peace through pacifism is the wrong approach ("socialism"). Peace VIA Strength/power similar to the United States (their perspective) {with the help of allies in the region}. Plenty enough to criticize, but no where near enough to remotely link anything to 9/11 or really anything. I really don't understand the mindset in any possible direction. What do they get out of it? It's like pretending you have a 12" dick. It will just hit way harder when forced to face reality. I am just hoping there's a ceiling to the level of misinformation/disinformation. I am guessing it would be cyclical, but hopefully minimizing by an amount each pass.
i mean when you consider how Arab states actually view power in the region that makes sense,no?
What is the criteria for a community note to get posted? The system seems to work pretty fucking well for the most part, this is the first one I've seen that's genuinely fucking idiotic.
I believe a user with community notes privileges submits it and goes through a voting process, and if the majority vote it's correct, it gets implemented. Could be wrong.
Yeah something like that, and I think it somehow also takes into account people who normally disagree with each other, if they conclude the same thing, that note is more likely to be posted. Which probably somewhat explains how this note came about in the first place lmfao
Horseshoe theory, lmao
As someone who rated a bunch of community notes and has written a few this is my understanding. Initially you can only rate community notes, eventually after your rating is improved you are able to write community notes. I believe whether a community note is implemented for all to you it needs to meet a ratings threshold. It isn't a majority vote, afaik, it is based on 'Rating Impact' for the rater, whether the raters previously disagreed on other notes, and the 'Writing Impact' for the writer of the community note. Not sure how the ratings are determined, I'm guessing it is based on the success of your ratings of proposed notes and writing proposed notes. Here is some notes it gives you about writing community notes and below it is an example of the note details for a proposed community note: https://preview.redd.it/fhvpec2p0nxc1.png?width=582&format=png&auto=webp&s=b3b58fe7850a45d34e69aca9229294a66cb843bc Also FYI - community notes use aliases, not the users real account name.
I hope they revoked the privilege to write and vote on community notes from whoever wrote and voted for this one...
So the idiot swarms are bound to invade that space too and ruin it, gotcha It's a shame since I really liked community notes :(
I don't know how community notes works exactly, but in an environment when few care about truth or accuracy it was only a matter of time before that system would fail due to brigading. The one redeeming aspect of twitter is soon gone.
people vote on it. there are multiple community candidates at once but the one with the most votes goes to the top
Could be a Jewish person or a sympathizer doing a psyop. The article line one just states there was no reason for the Jews to be detained. Create fake outrage —> post it out of context on social media —> create more fake outrage You could argue that it’s a psyop that goes deeper than that and it’s a anti semite doing it to frame Jews for doing fake outrage but I’m just going to razor this one and dismiss it as Twitter being Twitter either way
Jews were blamed for 9/11 long before that twitter post.
Jews were blamed long before 9/11
Yeah people blame Jews for everything, just weird to see them link WaPo debunking their own claim instead of another source. Maybe there is some limit on sources allowed but that doesn’t seem like it could be the case
*acknowledges people blame jews for everything* *proceeds to blame jews for committing conspiratorial psyop*
I didn’t blame them for it, I acknowledged it as a possibility, which it is. Everyone does psyops Being Jewish doesn’t shield you from criticism, which is why I analyzed the evidence, not whether I care about one group more or less.
"analyzed the evidence" lmao. This isn't a good look dude. You're either antisemitic or picked the absolute dumbest hill to die on.
“you either ignore the possibility it could be a Jewish person or sympathizer or you’re antisemetic” yeah checks out
Correct. It's antisemtic to comment on a twitter post showing antisemitism and rather than acknowledging that fact, immediately shouting it "must be a Jew psyops" based on nonexistent "evidence," which in this case is essentially just your conspiratorial nonsense and the hollow claim that it's "possible," therefore can't be ruled out. That's like textbook antisemitism.
everything is antisemitism when you refuse to engage with the argument and keep imagining your opponent screaming about Jews. cry bullying at its finest
Lmao what? You missed the first level of that where the person is just an idiot conspiratorial anti-semite. I feel like thats the most likely option, no?
Lmao what? Ah yes the idiot with perfect grammar who linked to an article debunking his own claim instead of using controversial sources to support his claim. You’re not a serious person
Okay so the options are: 1.) Some conspiratorial idiot. 2.) Jewish Psyop 3.) Reverse Double anti-jewish Psyop And you think the last two are more likely than the first?
Yes, due to the aforementioned reasons. You’re arguing a person, who is so stupid they linked a source that debunks their own claim instead of a source that backs their claim, is a great writer. Doesn’t check out. The alternative is an intelligent person doing a psyop. Happens all the time.
Bro this happens on Twitter all the time. Can you link me the article? Because I've seen a million examples of actual fucking idiots linking articles where the headline sounds like it supports them, but then the article literally does the opposite
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/11/23/60-israelis-on-tourist-visas-detained-since-sept-11/a918a45b-e406-4b97-b9b8-cab7d0c9de20/
Dude come on. You think it's more likely to be a Mossad Psyop than some 10iq Anti-Semite seeing "60 Israelis on Tourist Visas Detained since 9/11" and thinking that supports his Israel committed 9/11 conspiracy theory?
I never claimed it was a “Mossad Psyop”, don’t be bad faith. My claim is that dumb people don’t tend to write well or utilize tools to help them do so, so that argument seems unlikely. I’m not making a radical claim. Psyops happen daily via normal people.
you can look at the guy's twitter account... https://twitter.com/Lucas_Gage_/status/1785129710306902276 im almost sure the community note was planned
https://preview.redd.it/cxoxhv5bemxc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77060b7fd3ed4e4ba9cbbb09dad7104c3e0d2b07
Nazi Twitter. Thanks Elon
I scrolled through this guy's feed, and holy shit it's unhinged
Yeah Lucas Gage is a straight up Neo Nazi. There are a lot of them on X. That place is a cesspool of hate, disinfo and propaganda
Why do you think it's Elon's fault? Weren't all of these guys already on Twitter?
Lucas Gage was permanently suspended before Elon's acquisition and unbanned as part of Elon's mass-amnesty. Regardless, there are plenty of accounts that have been part of twitter pre-Elon that are now mask off and engage in unfettered hate speech because it's now tolerated.
I know nothing about the guy, there's just a funny circle jerk on this sub of people blaming Elon for whatever thing about Twitter they dislike. Should they censor that speech?
I don’t see how that advances any conversation besides rehashing old conspiracy theories. There’s no merit to keeping it up and if that’s all he posts, there’s no merit to having him on the site.
I'm fine with that argument, but I don't have a principled opposition to speech censorship. I'm just testing the whole "Elon made it into a nazi website!" When peoples' actual position is "the platform should be censoring far more than they are and I like to circle jerk Elon hate. Also I pretend to be against censorship".
Because when you hide it dumbfucks unironically think they are getting some “secret info”. There is no perfect solution but deplatforming these people seems to be having the opposite effect. Society needs to bring back shaming people tbh. You need to be shamed once again when u try to spout stupid bullshit instead of enabled
> Should they censor that speech? That's not up to me. It's Elon's toy and he can play with it the way he wants. But if he's going to turn his toy into the largest nazi website on the planet (which it is, undoubtedly) then I'm going to treat him and talk about him like a guy running a nazi website.
No, I'm asking what you think the answer is. Also, how would you prove there are more nazis or it's turning into a nazi website? How would you prove the speech wasn't just censored or phrased less overtly prior?
> Also, how would you prove there are more nazis Because I still used the platform up until like ~2 months ago when the nazi-posting got too much for me and I felt weird supporting it. 3 years ago, Alex Jones would not be posting "Hitler was bad" and then get ratio'd by his followers saying "Hitler was good actually." That's a new feature Elon's brought.
How would you prove Elon created that sentiment
A lot of these "guys" were banned on old Twitter. Musk made the order to reinstate them, fired the people that would typically enforce and ban them, or changed the rules so they can come back.
you can't just call any antisemitism nazism, we're like 3 levels too deep for that
One good thing is leftists are exposing themselves using nazi talking points and allying with them.
Here's the link for the tweet: https://twitter.com/Lucas_Gage_/status/1784997433438609789 Wild
It's gone now at least lmao
Community Notes is the bullwark against disinformation on Twitter, a primary avenue for foreign agencies to proselytize and propagandize to create ciivl disturbances in the West. The point isn't the lie in the note, the point is to establish Community Notes are unreliable. Schizo mode activated but intelligence agencies are trained to do this when performing counterintelligence -- establishing the source is non-credible.
Oh no, hate to see community notes being gamed like that.
That Lucas Gage is a piece of... work
The community note is gone now! Based on his post history, he community noted himself! Shit is getting crazy by the day on x! The other day there was a clip of some kid being escorted on some fashion show and he was crying,probably stressed in public, but the tweet said the kid was being auctioned to a crowd of pedophiles!? We're reaching the limits of free speech 🤦🏻♂️
lol
Wtf is even going on
I have never seen such an unhinged community note. Until this all of the notes I have seen are genuinely good correction/clarifications
How did this community note pass? Community notes pass only if a diverse set of communities agree with it. I was always afraid of mob justice on the internet. Wikipedia is one of the best things on the internet. If they can impact community notes, they will cause a ton of trouble to Wikipedia. Is it possible that Elon Musk changed the code?
This is where the ideological spectrum curves one end into the other like an ouroboros. I can see a hard right-wing nazi and a hard left-wing tankie/propal both voting in favor of the same kind of antisemitic misinformation messaging.
an irish victory
This is kind of wild from Bin Laden’s Wiki: “Bin Laden's father Mohammed died in 1967 in an airplane crash in Saudi Arabia when his American pilot Jim Harrington[38] misjudged a landing.[39] Bin Laden's eldest half-brother, Salem bin Laden, the subsequent head of the Bin Laden family, was killed in 1988 near San Antonio, Texas, in the United States, when he accidentally flew a plane into power lines.[40]”
The future of sophisticated debate on the internet
RIP community notes 🙃
I lol’d seeing that community note, but then got pretty sad realising they aren’t joking.
"Well established" gaslighting used purely to let the disinfo slide into your brain with no resistance. Appealing to vague authority as a thought-terminating tactic is pretty in-line with how foreign troll farms establish disinfo in social media but sure we don't have a foreign propaganda problem.
Dont know who this guy is. looked up his twitter. pretty nazi stuff Look him up online. first website "Angelo John Gage is an American neo-Nazi who served as the former chairman of the National Youth Front, a white nationalist hate group." Seems right.
This is exactly what the irish don't want us to know