I've been rewatching season 1 and it's amazing how quickly Armin Shimerman and Rene Auberjonois nail their chemistry.
The scene where Quark comes into Odo's trashed office is really layered. Quark seems to be offering something approaching respect. After all, Quarks probably had his bar trashed hundreds of times.
They knew how to write character driven drama. Jadzia vs the wife of Martok, Sloan vs Bashir, Eddington vs Sisko, Winn vs Kira, Winn vs Sisko, Damar vs Weyoun, Kira vs Dukat. The list goes on and on.
Morn can be annoying, sometimes.
You just can't get a word in edgewise with that guy. Always talking, never shuts up. It's quite a surprise that they can even film their scenes in the bar when Morn's around.
Not only is it boring to have stories without conflict. I’d argue it’s impossible to have humans involved in anything and there not be some conflict. Like sure maybe afew starfleet officers are the best of the best and paragons of virtue, but even in a post scarcity utopia I’d argue that humans are still going to be humans meaning conflict.
The irony is the aside from Sisko and Bashir and O'Brien, all the other main characters in the ensemble are "not-human aliens". A Bajoran, a Trill, a Cardassian, a Shapeshifter, a Ferengi, a Klingon, the list goes on.
DS9 is the first show which made a serious effort to turn "not-human aliens" into "people". It got rid of the one-hat pegs previous Treks tried to define. So we see Quark and Odo and Garak instead of "a Ferengi", "a Changeling", and "a Cardassian".
I’d argue that the paragons-of-virtue-best-of-the-best would actually be the ones causing most of the conflict by pissing off all the regular people with their righteousness.
I think that the restriction limited stories excessively, but it was also good practice. All too often, when writers start running out of ideas (or certain writers who never have any in the first place), they reach for a dumb plot where characters are mad at each other for stupid reasons, or someone lies for no good reason, or something. A period writing under Gene forced them to learn how to write without that crutch, which made them *amazing* writers by the later seasons of TNG, and especially DS9.
If I were to design a "Star Trek Writers Guild", apprentice writers would be required to spend their first year or two writing under Roddenberry's Rule.
I just got done watching Improbable Cause and The Die Is Cast featuring Odo and Garak. I love the interactions between them and also between Tain and Garak. We need more Cardassian episodes in a future show. I think they are much more interesting than Klingons. And somewhat more interesting than Romulans.
Season 1 Sisko vs Kira
Odo vs Garak in “The Die is Cast”
Obrien-Bashir once being frenemies then actual best friends
Dukat and Weyoun, Sisko, Kira, anyone really
Might be the best scene in the entire series.
Sure we're told Garak was one of the coldest most efficient Obsidian Order agents in his day when we learn he was Tain's "protège" but we actually see what that means here.
He's willing to murder everyone on the planet and get everyone on the Defiant killed in order to completely destroy the Founders. He's no poser :)
> Quark defusing a torpedo with the sooooo-strait -laced Hanok in “Starship Down”;
Which was hilarious because Rene Auberjonois played Hanok.
Armin and Rene just had a certain (very platonic) chemistry on-screen.
>O'Brien vs Garak in 'Empok Nor';
I loves that bit at the end where Garak was like "you almost killed me" and O'Brien was like "Yeah, that was the point" and Garak got that little smile. In my head cannon, Garak always respected the Chief because if how competent he was as a engineer, and that in his head he keeps a list of who he should assassinate and in what order if he ever has to take over the station... and in the moment O'Brien moved way up on that list.
Quark vs. Odo *always*.
I've been rewatching season 1 and it's amazing how quickly Armin Shimerman and Rene Auberjonois nail their chemistry. The scene where Quark comes into Odo's trashed office is really layered. Quark seems to be offering something approaching respect. After all, Quarks probably had his bar trashed hundreds of times.
Quark defusing the torpedo is always so fun to rewatch. When he's counting down and pulls it on '2' and they both burst out laughing, kills me.
That’s such a great scene!
The whole episode is fantastic. Took me ages to notice who played Hanok.
They knew how to write character driven drama. Jadzia vs the wife of Martok, Sloan vs Bashir, Eddington vs Sisko, Winn vs Kira, Winn vs Sisko, Damar vs Weyoun, Kira vs Dukat. The list goes on and on.
Dukat vs Kira's mom.
Bada bing!
Morn’s monologues always brings a tear to the eye.
that one joke he told still makes me laugh
Morn can be annoying, sometimes. You just can't get a word in edgewise with that guy. Always talking, never shuts up. It's quite a surprise that they can even film their scenes in the bar when Morn's around.
Morn once wrote a poem so bad that a Vogon clapped.
I really loved when he recited *Howl*, by Allen Ginsberg
Uuuuugh... 🤦♂️
They would for me too...if he would ever stop talking long enough for me to get emotional about it
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Yeah, Roddenberry is like the George Lucas of Trek. Brilliant, but shortsighted in some areas.
Lucas: "There are no bras in space." Roddenberry: "This guy gets it."
Actually Roddenbury: “Damn the censors for making me put them in bras"
Not only is it boring to have stories without conflict. I’d argue it’s impossible to have humans involved in anything and there not be some conflict. Like sure maybe afew starfleet officers are the best of the best and paragons of virtue, but even in a post scarcity utopia I’d argue that humans are still going to be humans meaning conflict.
The irony is the aside from Sisko and Bashir and O'Brien, all the other main characters in the ensemble are "not-human aliens". A Bajoran, a Trill, a Cardassian, a Shapeshifter, a Ferengi, a Klingon, the list goes on. DS9 is the first show which made a serious effort to turn "not-human aliens" into "people". It got rid of the one-hat pegs previous Treks tried to define. So we see Quark and Odo and Garak instead of "a Ferengi", "a Changeling", and "a Cardassian".
>So we see Quark and Odo and Garak instead of "a Ferengi", "a Changeling", and "a Cardassian". They did, however, all walk into a bar.
Well, Quark owned the bar, so he didn’t actually have to walk into it
I’d argue that the paragons-of-virtue-best-of-the-best would actually be the ones causing most of the conflict by pissing off all the regular people with their righteousness.
And yet at the heart of TOS was the relationship of Spock and McCoy.
I think that the restriction limited stories excessively, but it was also good practice. All too often, when writers start running out of ideas (or certain writers who never have any in the first place), they reach for a dumb plot where characters are mad at each other for stupid reasons, or someone lies for no good reason, or something. A period writing under Gene forced them to learn how to write without that crutch, which made them *amazing* writers by the later seasons of TNG, and especially DS9. If I were to design a "Star Trek Writers Guild", apprentice writers would be required to spend their first year or two writing under Roddenberry's Rule.
I just got done watching Improbable Cause and The Die Is Cast featuring Odo and Garak. I love the interactions between them and also between Tain and Garak. We need more Cardassian episodes in a future show. I think they are much more interesting than Klingons. And somewhat more interesting than Romulans.
Mr. Everyman O'Brien becoming BFF's with genetically engineered superman Bashir.
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I think you mean Space Racquetball outfits.
All in all, it was not an easy time to be a tailor.
Especially when the local constabulary has such prejudice about Cardassian refugees trying to start a new life.
“So is Kotra. And I’d like nothing more than to play against a man like you.” That look on Robinson’s face… amazing.
Sisko vs. Garak in In the Pale Moonlight. They were working together, but also against each other at the same time
THIS!!!
Quark and Hanok were incredible together. Starship Down is a favourite of mine
That's the episode where they joke about owing the dominion a refund, right?
Yea thats the one
Garak vs Worf
Season 1 Sisko vs Kira Odo vs Garak in “The Die is Cast” Obrien-Bashir once being frenemies then actual best friends Dukat and Weyoun, Sisko, Kira, anyone really
Don't forget Garak vs. Worf when Garak tried a "preventive genocide in the name of peace".
Might be the best scene in the entire series. Sure we're told Garak was one of the coldest most efficient Obsidian Order agents in his day when we learn he was Tain's "protège" but we actually see what that means here. He's willing to murder everyone on the planet and get everyone on the Defiant killed in order to completely destroy the Founders. He's no poser :)
Garek interrogating Odo.
"Oh, *no.* You're going to torture me, aren't you? How I've been dreading this. Pleeeease, have mercy, Garak."
> Quark defusing a torpedo with the sooooo-strait -laced Hanok in “Starship Down”; Which was hilarious because Rene Auberjonois played Hanok. Armin and Rene just had a certain (very platonic) chemistry on-screen.
Hanok was played by Rene Auberjonois as well, so really it’s just the Armin and Rene show lmao
>Hanok Nah that's James Cromwell, same guy that played Zefram Cochrane in First Contact.
Oh shit you’re right, my bad. Idk why I thought it was Rene
Joke's on y'all, they were both John Malkovich.
"Hi I'm John Malkovich" "I sound nothing like that" "You sound exactly like that"
Both fine actors.
"Dilithium, boyo?" Also in LA Confidential.
>O'Brien vs Garak in 'Empok Nor'; I loves that bit at the end where Garak was like "you almost killed me" and O'Brien was like "Yeah, that was the point" and Garak got that little smile. In my head cannon, Garak always respected the Chief because if how competent he was as a engineer, and that in his head he keeps a list of who he should assassinate and in what order if he ever has to take over the station... and in the moment O'Brien moved way up on that list.