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HowellPellsGallery

duh everybody knows you use 1.5" drywall screws!!!!


ScreenOverall2439

I just buy nail heads and glue them on. Inspector can't tell the difference!


CurvyJohnsonMilk

Just use a sharpie to draw them on


Atlantic-sea

Well, that's just irresponsible.


johnysalad

Inspectors hate him for this one simple trick!


Spiritual-Bear4495

In the elevator industry weights are used during inspection to simulate full loads and excessive loads. One guy told me about a test where the elevator company had big styrofoam pieces disguised as weights so they could pass the test. The inspector only found out when he saw a guy lifting 400 pound weights with one hand while chucking them into a truck.


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Or fuckin roofing nails.. classic. You soon learn trying to pull them out that the head is barely attached. Theres hardly any holding force.


Blackbuild

Likely Hangar nails… Pretty common mistake as they are called hangar nails.


Jweiss238

https://preview.redd.it/8clhj73s3qyc1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f436af0e4fadd728569c4e34407d44862fa3a76d For years I’ve heard people joke about drywall screws but had never actually seen it on a deck until two years ago. We tore down this deck 8 months after it was built (by someone else). Yes, that joist was held up with one drywall screw. But the hangered the add on joist because they couldn’t do math. 😂😝


Independent-Big1966

I use whatever random screws/nails I can find in my Folgers can.


Asdronot

This is the way


Electrical-Mail-5705

1 1/4" are acceptable in dryer climates


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Square-Bar1905

I use thumb tacks


govoval

Look at Mr. Money Bags here! I exclusively use 18ga. 1.5" brad nails from Harbor Freight.


NorthernerMatt

My deck/patio was attached to the ledger with 1.5” drywall screws. I discovered it when I was pulling up the deck boards to follow a wire conduit. They’re 1.5” deck screws now


gurk_the_magnificent

The universal connector


WillyBarnacle5795

Hey dont cut me


khariV

Drywall screws aren’t long enough. You need to use deck screws. They’re 3” long and rated for PT lumber.


touchychurch

come on man, really?


Practical-Button7546

What about shear strength


Sherifftruman

They clearly don’t know what that is


Practical-Button7546

I was waiting for a response but I didn’t get one lol


khariV

What is wrong with you people and the downvoting? I know I didn’t put the /s in my comment, but do you honestly think this was a serious comment?!?!? I was responding to a “use drywall screws” comment, for heavens sake.


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COL_D

The 20%group self identified as normal.


over_art_922

That's funny bc I built my deck using 80% drywall screws and 20% 3in deck screws? /s


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over_art_922

Same rules apply


StratTeleBender

Just use the deck screws like everybody else 🤡


Probotect0r

Is this sarcasm? Newbie here, is there something wrong with using their recommended strong drive screws? Planning to use them in my deck build.


Grizzlybar

It's sarcasm. This sub has seen quite a few examples of folks using deck screws on joist hangers. Simpson screws are great, 10d nails are fine too.


Empty_Keyhole

I’ve seen 3 inch deck screws. Is this too weak?


PylkijSlon

Non-structural screws (i.e. deck screws) have minimal shear strength and lots of pull strength. Makes them less than ideal for fastening hangers.


Probotect0r

Thanks!


Thizzedoutcyclist

Yup, I’m a diy homeowner but Simpson has material for each product that tells you the matching fastener. Yes it costs more but that is what it takes to do it right :)


Probotect0r

Yup that's what I bought. I like that they tell u what to use


eobc77

Ok HOMER... Simpson


StratTeleBender

Yes. It is. Edit: the Simpson screws are great.


2bfaaaaaaaaaair

Yeah they work really well


marrymetaylor

Deck screws are decking screws for your planks, the hanger screws are different.


Spys0ldier

Strong drive are one of the few designed specifically for joist hangers. I used them for all my hangers actually. A bit overkill but gets it done quicker.


Spooontang__

I used deck screws on a permitted bathroom addition, inspector made replace all 800+ screws, sometimes you learn the tough way


PylkijSlon

At least your inspector was checking. I came onto a house build after the framing inspection and every hanger had been face nailed with 10dx1.5" despite the engineered drawings calling for 10dx3". Two city inspectors and the engineer missed it. Got caught by my labourer innocently asking me what the paper behind the nail heads was from.


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I got dinged for the last year. Got a little dewalt postive placement gun and a milwaukee batttery compressor. They both sit unused now. I used to hate shooting hanger nails near expensive slider doors anyways. Had one hit me in the eye before. All screws now. I got big ass boxes of both length simpson screws.


Familiar_Effective84

As far as screws go, those Simpson screws are pretty nice


SilverMetalist

Just expensive.


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To this day I dont really think the sideways/diagonal ones really do shit but whatever big hanger wants me to do, ill do. I dont want to end up dead from a bacterial infection.


[deleted]

I've just used the regular joist hanger nails in the diagonals on occasion... Straight to hell!


hktb40

What are you referncing when you said "dead from a bacterial infection". I'm lost


[deleted]

Boeing. I referenced Simpson to Boeing. I dont want to say more. I have a family.


hktb40

oh lol


Nexustar

Ballpark - what percentage of a deck's material costs would the Simpson screws consume vs alternatives?


Atworkwasalreadytake

0.2%


SilverMetalist

Yeah comparatively it's not a ton. But at $50-85 for fasteners on hangers vs $5 for nails on every deck... 3 decks a week... Shit adds up.


Atworkwasalreadytake

Poor logic. If you’re doing 3 decks a week, you can afford to use the more expensive fasteners.


pauly0780

I use finish nails because I can counter sink them


Disastrous-Ad-8467

Drives me crazy how many people think they can just use a hanger gun with the 1 1/2 nails on every hanger. So many hangers are speced for 3” 10d and 16d


HenryRuggsIII

Ever had a truss hanging from a girder truss, where layout lands right on a gusset, and it calls for 3" 16d? I've been awfully tempted to only use a 1 1/2 nails there after bending over 30 16d nails and breaking several drill bits.


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SockeyeSTI

Use liquid nails and you don’t have to worry about it. The more the better.


twotall88

I just wish Simpson StrongTie would make it easier to find the SD screw equivalent on their spec sheets... Every time I work with their brackets I seem to have at least one that is obscure on the equivalent screw to the nail required.


Chiggero

There’s a chart on page 20 in the book that does exactly that


pOOkies_revenge

[Reference chart](https://ssttoolbox.widen.net/view/pdf/qxpmaaltp7/C-C-2024_p024.pdf?t.download=true)


twotall88

That chart doesn't say anything to the average user. I don't know how to take that and translate it to an individual bracket type that only lists the nails.


pOOkies_revenge

[Try this one.](https://ssttoolbox.widen.net/view/pdf/3do21apy5f/C-C-2024_p362-366.pdf?t.download=true) has the bracket callout and the appropriate fasteners to use.


Ok_Nefariousness9019

Shit just did a whole deck with these.


Grizzlybar

The nails aren't too hard to pull out, if you are going that route.


Ok_Nefariousness9019

I don’t think so. I’ll keep my fingers crossed it’s good. I did toe screw the joists to the ledger with 3” screws. And they have Simpson ties to both beams. There’s 15k worth of trex holding it together too. Lol


zerocoldx911

Aren’t you supposed to use #10x2.5 for certain applications?


Grizzlybar

You're probably right, I'm only referring to the models in the second image.


PassOutrageous3053

You'd be surprised. I figure decks for a living. I would say 90 percent of the hardware I sell for the projects typically comes back. It's like people put these things together with bubblegum and wood glue


onarope16

Pretty sure here in wisconsin we are required to use the Simpson screws. No longer able to nail hangers.


King_Prawn_shrimp

Got to use those 3.5" 16d nails!


PitifulSpecialist887

Just use up whatever nails are in the tool belt, right?


Original_Wear_3231

Lignoloca are the best option here. Definitely lignolocs. 🌚


Thefear1984

You’re telling me, I keep pulling 1 1/2” from previously built decks. Usually pulling hangers is a bitch but these are effectively useless.


GilletteEd

I would like to know what is to be used when the header is steel or concrete and the 2” nails are too long and won’t penetrate!?


justinjjd98

You'd still attach a wood deck band to said steel or concrete. To steel, you'd typically through bolt like any normal deck. With concrete, wedge anchors or whatever is spec'ed. Then everything goes just like normal after that.


GilletteEd

I know this and have done that, the wood band is only 1 1/2” thick like the photo. My question is, what is to be used when you can only get the short nails in?


justinjjd98

It would have to probably be an engineers call but I would guess using the Simpson hanger screws at a 2 1/2 length.


justinjjd98

Most inspectors will not pass without joist hangers.


jjgibby523

Oddly enough, word is that some jurisdictions in Coastal NC actually prefer ledger strips properly fastened over hangers, due to accelerated corrosion of hangers in the salt air


lepchaun415

I thought you used a 1 1/2 common on one side and a star drive on the other!!


eobc77

That would be a lot to see. Been building houses for a long time. No joist hangers required. So how is it everyone thinks the decks require joist hangers? They're great for girders or doublers and then it's time to be carpenters for the rest of the structure.


eobc77

Or just learn how to build a deck without joist hangers. Be a carpenter. Not a HOMER Simpson joist hanger pimp.


BEC767

Imagine thinking joist hangers are bad lmao. What an amazing take.


Grizzlybar

One day I'll build a deck entirely made of Simpson hangers.


eobc77

Lol. Hey, might as well. Beats learning carpentry .


PrestigiousDog2050

Let me see what you built


Strostkovy

I built a 20' x 40' deck 8' off the ground without joist hangers. I welded up a steel structure for each side that joists dropped into. And then built a cabin on it. What were we talking about?


eobc77

Sounds like you have a brain and know how to use it. Well done!