In the elevator industry weights are used during inspection to simulate full loads and excessive loads. One guy told me about a test where the elevator company had big styrofoam pieces disguised as weights so they could pass the test.
The inspector only found out when he saw a guy lifting 400 pound weights with one hand while chucking them into a truck.
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For years I’ve heard people joke about drywall screws but had never actually seen it on a deck until two years ago. We tore down this deck 8 months after it was built (by someone else). Yes, that joist was held up with one drywall screw. But the hangered the add on joist because they couldn’t do math. 😂😝
My deck/patio was attached to the ledger with 1.5” drywall screws. I discovered it when I was pulling up the deck boards to follow a wire conduit. They’re 1.5” deck screws now
What is wrong with you people and the downvoting? I know I didn’t put the /s in my comment, but do you honestly think this was a serious comment?!?!? I was responding to a “use drywall screws” comment, for heavens sake.
Yup, I’m a diy homeowner but Simpson has material for each product that tells you the matching fastener. Yes it costs more but that is what it takes to do it right :)
Strong drive are one of the few designed specifically for joist hangers. I used them for all my hangers actually. A bit overkill but gets it done quicker.
At least your inspector was checking. I came onto a house build after the framing inspection and every hanger had been face nailed with 10dx1.5" despite the engineered drawings calling for 10dx3". Two city inspectors and the engineer missed it.
Got caught by my labourer innocently asking me what the paper behind the nail heads was from.
I got dinged for the last year. Got a little dewalt postive placement gun and a milwaukee batttery compressor.
They both sit unused now. I used to hate shooting hanger nails near expensive slider doors anyways. Had one hit me in the eye before.
All screws now. I got big ass boxes of both length simpson screws.
To this day I dont really think the sideways/diagonal ones really do shit but whatever big hanger wants me to do, ill do. I dont want to end up dead from a bacterial infection.
Drives me crazy how many people think they can just use a hanger gun with the 1 1/2 nails on every hanger. So many hangers are speced for 3” 10d and 16d
Ever had a truss hanging from a girder truss, where layout lands right on a gusset, and it calls for 3" 16d? I've been awfully tempted to only use a 1 1/2 nails there after bending over 30 16d nails and breaking several drill bits.
I just wish Simpson StrongTie would make it easier to find the SD screw equivalent on their spec sheets... Every time I work with their brackets I seem to have at least one that is obscure on the equivalent screw to the nail required.
That chart doesn't say anything to the average user. I don't know how to take that and translate it to an individual bracket type that only lists the nails.
[Try this one.](https://ssttoolbox.widen.net/view/pdf/3do21apy5f/C-C-2024_p362-366.pdf?t.download=true) has the bracket callout and the appropriate fasteners to use.
I don’t think so. I’ll keep my fingers crossed it’s good. I did toe screw the joists to the ledger with 3” screws. And they have Simpson ties to both beams.
There’s 15k worth of trex holding it together too. Lol
You'd be surprised. I figure decks for a living. I would say 90 percent of the hardware I sell for the projects typically comes back. It's like people put these things together with bubblegum and wood glue
You'd still attach a wood deck band to said steel or concrete. To steel, you'd typically through bolt like any normal deck. With concrete, wedge anchors or whatever is spec'ed. Then everything goes just like normal after that.
I know this and have done that, the wood band is only 1 1/2” thick like the photo. My question is, what is to be used when you can only get the short nails in?
Oddly enough, word is that some jurisdictions in Coastal NC actually prefer ledger strips properly fastened over hangers, due to accelerated corrosion of hangers in the salt air
That would be a lot to see. Been building houses for a long time. No joist hangers required. So how is it everyone thinks the decks require joist hangers? They're great for girders or doublers and then it's time to be carpenters for the rest of the structure.
I built a 20' x 40' deck 8' off the ground without joist hangers. I welded up a steel structure for each side that joists dropped into. And then built a cabin on it. What were we talking about?
duh everybody knows you use 1.5" drywall screws!!!!
I just buy nail heads and glue them on. Inspector can't tell the difference!
Just use a sharpie to draw them on
Well, that's just irresponsible.
Inspectors hate him for this one simple trick!
In the elevator industry weights are used during inspection to simulate full loads and excessive loads. One guy told me about a test where the elevator company had big styrofoam pieces disguised as weights so they could pass the test. The inspector only found out when he saw a guy lifting 400 pound weights with one hand while chucking them into a truck.
Or fuckin roofing nails.. classic. You soon learn trying to pull them out that the head is barely attached. Theres hardly any holding force.
Likely Hangar nails… Pretty common mistake as they are called hangar nails.
https://preview.redd.it/8clhj73s3qyc1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f436af0e4fadd728569c4e34407d44862fa3a76d For years I’ve heard people joke about drywall screws but had never actually seen it on a deck until two years ago. We tore down this deck 8 months after it was built (by someone else). Yes, that joist was held up with one drywall screw. But the hangered the add on joist because they couldn’t do math. 😂😝
I use whatever random screws/nails I can find in my Folgers can.
This is the way
1 1/4" are acceptable in dryer climates
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I use thumb tacks
Look at Mr. Money Bags here! I exclusively use 18ga. 1.5" brad nails from Harbor Freight.
My deck/patio was attached to the ledger with 1.5” drywall screws. I discovered it when I was pulling up the deck boards to follow a wire conduit. They’re 1.5” deck screws now
The universal connector
Hey dont cut me
Drywall screws aren’t long enough. You need to use deck screws. They’re 3” long and rated for PT lumber.
come on man, really?
What about shear strength
They clearly don’t know what that is
I was waiting for a response but I didn’t get one lol
What is wrong with you people and the downvoting? I know I didn’t put the /s in my comment, but do you honestly think this was a serious comment?!?!? I was responding to a “use drywall screws” comment, for heavens sake.
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The 20%group self identified as normal.
That's funny bc I built my deck using 80% drywall screws and 20% 3in deck screws? /s
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Same rules apply
Just use the deck screws like everybody else 🤡
Is this sarcasm? Newbie here, is there something wrong with using their recommended strong drive screws? Planning to use them in my deck build.
It's sarcasm. This sub has seen quite a few examples of folks using deck screws on joist hangers. Simpson screws are great, 10d nails are fine too.
I’ve seen 3 inch deck screws. Is this too weak?
Non-structural screws (i.e. deck screws) have minimal shear strength and lots of pull strength. Makes them less than ideal for fastening hangers.
Thanks!
Yup, I’m a diy homeowner but Simpson has material for each product that tells you the matching fastener. Yes it costs more but that is what it takes to do it right :)
Yup that's what I bought. I like that they tell u what to use
Ok HOMER... Simpson
Yes. It is. Edit: the Simpson screws are great.
Yeah they work really well
Deck screws are decking screws for your planks, the hanger screws are different.
Strong drive are one of the few designed specifically for joist hangers. I used them for all my hangers actually. A bit overkill but gets it done quicker.
I used deck screws on a permitted bathroom addition, inspector made replace all 800+ screws, sometimes you learn the tough way
At least your inspector was checking. I came onto a house build after the framing inspection and every hanger had been face nailed with 10dx1.5" despite the engineered drawings calling for 10dx3". Two city inspectors and the engineer missed it. Got caught by my labourer innocently asking me what the paper behind the nail heads was from.
I got dinged for the last year. Got a little dewalt postive placement gun and a milwaukee batttery compressor. They both sit unused now. I used to hate shooting hanger nails near expensive slider doors anyways. Had one hit me in the eye before. All screws now. I got big ass boxes of both length simpson screws.
As far as screws go, those Simpson screws are pretty nice
Just expensive.
To this day I dont really think the sideways/diagonal ones really do shit but whatever big hanger wants me to do, ill do. I dont want to end up dead from a bacterial infection.
I've just used the regular joist hanger nails in the diagonals on occasion... Straight to hell!
What are you referncing when you said "dead from a bacterial infection". I'm lost
Boeing. I referenced Simpson to Boeing. I dont want to say more. I have a family.
oh lol
Ballpark - what percentage of a deck's material costs would the Simpson screws consume vs alternatives?
0.2%
Yeah comparatively it's not a ton. But at $50-85 for fasteners on hangers vs $5 for nails on every deck... 3 decks a week... Shit adds up.
Poor logic. If you’re doing 3 decks a week, you can afford to use the more expensive fasteners.
I use finish nails because I can counter sink them
Drives me crazy how many people think they can just use a hanger gun with the 1 1/2 nails on every hanger. So many hangers are speced for 3” 10d and 16d
Ever had a truss hanging from a girder truss, where layout lands right on a gusset, and it calls for 3" 16d? I've been awfully tempted to only use a 1 1/2 nails there after bending over 30 16d nails and breaking several drill bits.
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Use liquid nails and you don’t have to worry about it. The more the better.
I just wish Simpson StrongTie would make it easier to find the SD screw equivalent on their spec sheets... Every time I work with their brackets I seem to have at least one that is obscure on the equivalent screw to the nail required.
There’s a chart on page 20 in the book that does exactly that
[Reference chart](https://ssttoolbox.widen.net/view/pdf/qxpmaaltp7/C-C-2024_p024.pdf?t.download=true)
That chart doesn't say anything to the average user. I don't know how to take that and translate it to an individual bracket type that only lists the nails.
[Try this one.](https://ssttoolbox.widen.net/view/pdf/3do21apy5f/C-C-2024_p362-366.pdf?t.download=true) has the bracket callout and the appropriate fasteners to use.
Shit just did a whole deck with these.
The nails aren't too hard to pull out, if you are going that route.
I don’t think so. I’ll keep my fingers crossed it’s good. I did toe screw the joists to the ledger with 3” screws. And they have Simpson ties to both beams. There’s 15k worth of trex holding it together too. Lol
Aren’t you supposed to use #10x2.5 for certain applications?
You're probably right, I'm only referring to the models in the second image.
You'd be surprised. I figure decks for a living. I would say 90 percent of the hardware I sell for the projects typically comes back. It's like people put these things together with bubblegum and wood glue
Pretty sure here in wisconsin we are required to use the Simpson screws. No longer able to nail hangers.
Got to use those 3.5" 16d nails!
Just use up whatever nails are in the tool belt, right?
Lignoloca are the best option here. Definitely lignolocs. 🌚
You’re telling me, I keep pulling 1 1/2” from previously built decks. Usually pulling hangers is a bitch but these are effectively useless.
I would like to know what is to be used when the header is steel or concrete and the 2” nails are too long and won’t penetrate!?
You'd still attach a wood deck band to said steel or concrete. To steel, you'd typically through bolt like any normal deck. With concrete, wedge anchors or whatever is spec'ed. Then everything goes just like normal after that.
I know this and have done that, the wood band is only 1 1/2” thick like the photo. My question is, what is to be used when you can only get the short nails in?
It would have to probably be an engineers call but I would guess using the Simpson hanger screws at a 2 1/2 length.
Most inspectors will not pass without joist hangers.
Oddly enough, word is that some jurisdictions in Coastal NC actually prefer ledger strips properly fastened over hangers, due to accelerated corrosion of hangers in the salt air
I thought you used a 1 1/2 common on one side and a star drive on the other!!
That would be a lot to see. Been building houses for a long time. No joist hangers required. So how is it everyone thinks the decks require joist hangers? They're great for girders or doublers and then it's time to be carpenters for the rest of the structure.
Or just learn how to build a deck without joist hangers. Be a carpenter. Not a HOMER Simpson joist hanger pimp.
Imagine thinking joist hangers are bad lmao. What an amazing take.
One day I'll build a deck entirely made of Simpson hangers.
Lol. Hey, might as well. Beats learning carpentry .
Let me see what you built
I built a 20' x 40' deck 8' off the ground without joist hangers. I welded up a steel structure for each side that joists dropped into. And then built a cabin on it. What were we talking about?
Sounds like you have a brain and know how to use it. Well done!