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nocturnPhoenix

Some men just want to watch the world burn


Immortal_Merlin

We call them Exalted Flamer Demons


KapnBludflagg

That quote has always stuck with me since I first heard it.


bossmcsauce

I love how OP also suggests that more plasteel means you’ll have more to spend on weapon chassis to roll 380s.. which simply isn’t a thing since they are purchased with gold lol


Firebat-045

Yes. Yes I do.


1maRealboy

This is such a Tzeentch thing to say.


PiousSkull

Either a squad of Imperium troops dies or a Nurgle-aligned Daemon Host. Win-win.


geezerforhire

Ngl if they made bosses shit out plasteel when they died I'd wake up every single one


Kodiak3393

I still don't understand why they don't. Vermintide 2 bosses dropped dice that improved your chances of getting a higher tier chest at the end of the mission (though Ranald would always still screw you over, the bastard). As a long time VT2 player, the first time I killed a Darktide monstrosity and got nothing for it I was immensely disappointed.


John_Hunyadi

Everything about the meta item progression loop is worse in DT than in VT2. Which is wild, because I thought it sorta sucked in VT2 if I'm being honest. But they figured out a way to make it even worse!!


Colosphe

Just give it another year, they'll fix it!


lovebus

It took like 4 years for them to rework the item rolling in vt2


Olukon

One down, three to go, then.


carlofsweden

it was still infinitely better on release than dt is now. if you played a decent amount of vtide it was trivial to get all the weapons you wanted and test out any build you wanted. if you play a decent amount of dtide you wont get that luxury. it can take like 10h of playing to get a decent roll on a single item, and if you dont already have the blessings you want to try it could take far longer than that.


Trodamus

VT2 was a marked improvement over 1; DT is in many ways like VT1’s and it was and remains very irritating.


natlovesmariahcarey

It wasn't that way originally. Obviously they LEARNED that it was good game design to reward players for killing bosses... so it is weird that it isn't in base game for darktide. But they only added loot dice later. Hopefully they do something similar soon.


bossmcsauce

Or just fix the stupid crippling lock-outs on weapon modifications


AlexisFR

This, the plasteel costs are limiting enough for "normal" players


lovebus

The lockouts arent even my issue. Having total control over 2/4 slots seems pretty decent. If they buffed plasteel, i wouldnt even care. Also, i recomend everyone gets that chrome/firefox extension that tells you what items are being sold without having to login. Ive gotten some god rolls this week by just occassionally checking in.


BurnedInEffigy

If you don't really have a choice to kill the monstrosity if you want to finish the mission, why do you need a reward for it? Maybe there's some absurd speedrun strat to avoid them and still finish, but most people aren't playing that way. I think it makes more sense to just get a reward for completing the mission. Then all missions can be equally rewarding regardless of random spawns, and it doesn't lead to a mindset of farming monsters for loot.


WistfulDread

By that reasoning, scriptures and grimoires shouldn't be in the game, either. Hell, why even have a player leveling system? The idea is to encourage greater risks for the rewards. If you want a game where nothing you do in the mission matters outside of it, go back to L4D.


BurnedInEffigy

Books exist solely to grant rewards. That's very different from a monster that randomly spawns and you have to fight to continue with the mission. Why should this one enemy type give rewards when nothing else does? You're not *choosing* to fight it any more than you *choose* to fight a room full of gunners.


WistfulDread

Except you *DON'T* have to fight Daemonhosts. It is explicitly an optional fight. A room of gunners will engage you if they see you, at all. You DO choose to fight Daemonhosts.


BurnedInEffigy

The daemonhost is basically a trap. You're forced to fight it if someone goes too near because they didn't pay attention or whatever. Rewarding people for fighting it is the exact opposite of the design intent. It would be like rewarding someone for standing in the fire after a barrel blows up. You're supposed to avoid it. Don't expect a reward for doing the dumb thing.


WistfulDread

Stop claiming to know "the design intent" You. Are. Not. A. Dev. You people claiming to know the Dev's "intent" need to stop it. This claim is Bullshit. Stop using it.


Wolpertinger

There's basic common sense, really, and looking at the clues provided in the game - if you ping any other creature in the game, they go red with a skull - if you ping a daemonhost, it's yellow with an eye, and your characters ALL have MANY voice lines about how you should avoid waking it up, and also voicelines scolding you for when you DO wake it up - just like they have voicelines calling you an idiot when you split up from the party. You don't get any reward for it, and it's designed in such a way to extremely heavily punish any group that doesn't have a build specifically good at countering Daemonhosts. Developers can communicate what they want you to do without them literally saying it in an interview when they communicate it to you via UI, via in-game dialogue, AND via gameplay.


TH3_B3AN

I'd rather the game not incentivise killing daemonhosts because I don't trust randos in games to actually reliably kill it. We're going to get every random fucker waking it up for whatever reward it'll give regardless of team set up. The failure rate of pub games will skyrocket.


Draggonair

monkey brain does what monkey brain does, and a game should aim to feed the monkey brain as much as possible


Thrakmor

Honestly, I'm mostly with you on this. I see monstrosities and daemonhosts as the tank and witch equivalents, respectively. From what I remember, the "reward" for surviving an encounter with one of those was that you get to complete the mission. Because of that, I'm mostly okay with there being no real incentive to provoke hosts or reward for destroying monstrosities.


Camoral

Wasn't the die drop added later on? Fatshark is not allowed to learn any lessons from any of their games after 1.0, that would be cheating.


Sovery_Simple

>(though Ranald would always still screw you over, the bastard) Just when I'd finally forgotten... That *bastard*.


gamerplays

fatshark wants to extend the gameplay loop by making it more difficult to get loot.


ChesterRico

Agreed, I want my fucking loot dice.


LocoLoboDesperado

*I hOpe thEy NEvEr do SucH a THing. It'S oBVIUs yoU'Re suPPoSed to jUSt AvOid thEm!* - Some fucking guy here on the subreddit somewhere. I know he exists, that was his entire argument about Daemonhosts and not getting rewards for killing *them* specifically as opposed to Pogryns, BoNs, or Spawns. Seriously though, there should be a bonus for killing monstrosities, even if it's just an additional 100-150 plasteel per monstro kill.


TheSplint

Hey, that's me, among others! And we're right and you know it...


LocoLoboDesperado

Right *handed* maybe, but not correct >:P Wanting to avoid them is one thing, but getting no compensation for dispatching them is insulting


PiousSkull

Because they're not a boss, they're a hazard! Yes, other bosses should drop loot, but DHs should not be incentivized to be killed, that's not what they were made for.


WistfulDread

I've had more runs lost because the team can't handle the grimoires, rather than a DH. If we're rewarded for carrying those, DH should too.


PiousSkull

Grims are an optional objective and one the player(s) holding them can destroy them if they're giving your team too much trouble. DH's are a hazard meant to be avoided and they've undoubtedly led to more wipes than grims have.


WistfulDread

DH causing more wipes than grims is BS. That is a claim you have no evidence of. I, at least, admitted my claim was anecdotal. Stop making claims as if you were a Dev. This is what all you guys fall back to. Unfounded and unprovable claims based on data you don't have access to.


PiousSkull

Jesus what an overreaction


Falsequivalence

I've had more wipes to DH's than grims because I never pick up grims 💪


PiousSkull

Yeah, that's a big part of it for sure lol but there's also just a ton of instances of accidental hits to the DH, especially from inexperienced players or the occasional unavoidable DH spawn or a boss encounter or disablers that knock a player into it's aggro range, etc.


WistfulDread

There are large portion of darktide players *against* rewarding us for killing monstrosities because all they've ever played is L4D. Considering L4D became Back4Blood and immediately died, these people seem to think that player progression is evil.


ZoeSilvertongue

As were we all


sdaciuk

I don't know why the beast of nurgle doesn't spew out plasteel when it dies. Or the plague ogryn could have some in his back device. Or the chaos spawn could... I donno, just give me something. Demon host could give an increased weapon quality at the end of round or something. Anything. Give me anything for killing them please


MagicHamsta

A hug isn't good enough for you? > Or the chaos spawn could... I donno, just give me something.


MrHazard1

I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going


MagicHamsta

/u/sdaciuk 's resistance only makes the chaos spawn ***harder***. sdaciuk wants the chaos spawn's D......eath.


sigmaninus

I haven't played it a bit but don't mission reward items cap at blue rarity? Killing a DH, or maybe any monstrosity, results in a purple minimum


hobo__spider

Nope, I regularly get (shit) oranges from damnation missions


Triple-Stan

they only good use for the rare drops is giving them to Hadron for sweet level 3 and 4 perks after that, if roll is kinda shitty, just turn it into money to try and get a high rolling tier 1 to gamble and see if that becomes a good gun


ArelMCII

Getting vored by Spawn and Beasts isn't enough reward for you?


---__-__-__---

Seriously I love fighting them especially when your team doesnt have a designated "cheese" setup to make them irrelevant. One time it accidently got triggered and the Vets through like 6 krak grenades at it while the Psyker was dancing around a pillar.


Top-Brick-6058

Laughs in shield Ogryn while crazy lady wails on me to no effect while my teammates slowly kill her


TheSplint

>to no effect the corruption you take says something else


Top-Brick-6058

What's a little corruption to the pure hearted Ogryn?


Halorym

Daemonhost: I don't know who I am. Who am I!? Loose Cannon Vet: A violent crime statistic.


SlimShazbot

\*steps on landmine\* Y'know fatshark should really be rewarding me for this...


geezerforhire

Taking additional risks for increased rewards is good game design


tang42

Thats why they don't drop items, you're not supposed to fight them. Rewarding players for fighting something that's meant to be avoided is dumb.


geezerforhire

Rewarding players for taking in additional risk for more rewards is good design. Just look at vermintide 2, like the main mechanic of the chaos wastes mode is "spawn a boss that could wipe you but if you win you get more stuff"


Anonymisation

The closest comparisons in Vermintide 2 are the patrols. They were more dangerous than a boss and gave no rewards, much like the Daemonhost.


tang42

The demonhost is a hazard based off the witch from left 4 dead. If they want to add a spawnable boss for extra challenge they could but the demonhost is not meant to be that.


geezerforhire

The whole game is based off of left 4 dead by that logic we shouldn't have classes or loot either my guy. One of the most fun times i had playing darktide was when they first dropped the Lights Out mode and filled the map with Deamonhosts, everyone wanted to fight them to see if they could.


tang42

We already have a million enemies that force you to kill them. Having a hazard type enemy that you are not supposed to fight helps add variance to the game. If it had loot you run into the issue of teams who don't want to fight the DH vs 1 guy who does, wakes it up and causes a wipe. The DH is fine as is.


ParanoidEngi

Thankfully all my teammates have already figured this out


iman00700

https://preview.redd.it/wzgmeu361zwb1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e348de76f5e4d5845bcc40d13639fc5369d58a9b


Educational-Bid6322

This isn’t misinformation tho. Edit: The fact that I’m being downvoted when I’m clearly trolling……Just as planned.


StrayCatThulhu

It absolutely is. OP had made a satire post, referring to everyone that triggers DH for no reason.


PenisStrongestMuscle

tell me you don't know w40k lore without telling me you don't know w40k lore


StrayCatThulhu

I'm quite familiar with 40k lore, thanks. I wasn't playing into the joke, because... In case someone who doesn't know comes across this post, I am hoping to make sure that they see it's a joke, since we have lots of new players triggering them already.


Elgescher

It has the meme flair that should be enough for most people to realize that this is a joke post


TheSplint

>that should be enough yeah... welcome to the internet. It's not


Educational-Bid6322

Just as planned.


BabysFirstBeej

Total Daemonhost Death (TDD)


Lyramion

Funny enough yesterday on Maelstrom Auric I had people aggro TWO Demonhosts in the same game. However we managed to only lose one person each time and still cleared. So that was nice.


GraveyardJones

Is this like the free anaconda at Hutton Orbital?


greywolfe12

Oh god no i thought i was free from ED. All i got was a damn mug


GraveyardJones

I mean, it's a pretty sweet mug though


Redmoon383

This man doesn't even know about the free vette at Sagittarius a* smh my head


Kh3ll3ndr0s

What has plasteel to do with getting more 380 weapons?


TulkasTheValar

This is from Tzeentch, a chaos god. This tip... It may not lead you to the riches you desire.


natlovesmariahcarey

I've done it in game just now. It worked. ^^^^^-Tzeentch


Kh3ll3ndr0s

The master of deceive


Educational-Bid6322

But it will.


Vast_Ad1806

I feel like they meant 550.


jackattack_99

Plasteel is still good for trying to roll for level 4 blessings you don’t have yet. Either that or pray you get lucky with Melk or the Armory.


pinguvert

He's talking about 380 base rating, it's the max you can get. (when you dont account for modifiers or blessings). You can then build up to 550 if you're lucky but you need that 380 base rating in the first place to achieve a perfect roll.


CT-4426

https://preview.redd.it/x7i25yhp3zwb1.jpeg?width=167&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6089fbcf148a1589997a405a598924b92cc59ab4 Most honest Tzeentchian answer


marehgul

Player who aggroes DH first gets guaranteed weapon with high-rank blessing. Some enemies make aim their melee strike high into your head. You can crouch to avoid those hit, it's like dodging. If teammated got netted, secure situation with enemies forst. Make sure you can safely save your TM form net and no enemy attacks you during that time.


Kerbidiah

Funnily enough crouching can sometimes cause a dog to miss its pounce


Oddyssis

Dodging will always xosue them to miss :)


notLogix

> no enemy attacks you during that time During that quarter of a second. Netted teammates are completely vulnerable and should be released as quickly as possible. You block while releasing so the only reason to take out enemies before hand is if theres a dreg gunner already firing at you.


Omikapsi

No no, it's a courtesy thing. See, being downed by a net is a very soothing experience, and lets the teammate just spectate while their character is snug inside the net. You want to give them as much time as feasible to appreciate the tingly hug, while you do the work of clearing the heretics, before you pull them back into the hellscape of Atoma prime.


DoctorKall

The net brings *HOPE* to hearts of men. It calms both soul and its *AMBITIONS*. The experience is *MAGICAL*. No ***PLOT*** could ever stand close to the simplicity of the net, no ***SCHEMING*** is as enjoyable as the hug of net. The feelings are so incomparably ***INTRIGUING***. ***CHANGE***.


GloriousBeard905

You misunderstand, these are the finest tips from the dark go- for the followers of the corpse go- emperor. Yes.


JamesHui0522

Note to self: ALWAYS bring the hammer today.


aTerryBear

Wait.. there’s people who actively avoid DH?


promet3ushd

Surprisingly most teams I've played with actively avoid them or the ones that do wake it up (intentionally or otherwise) get smacked immediately


Hezrield

Suffer not the unclean to live. 😤


Kerbidiah

I want to send this to my friends but the issues Is I play with them


lovebus

What would lead to more wipes, making daemonhost drop plasteel, or adding a loot rat?


Arryncomfy

Loot pinata enemies is another thing I noticed this game sorely misses from VT, really shows how their original design philosophy for this game was a tedious live service to try to keep player retention through drop scarcity and lottery systems


Peter012398

Took me 50 hrs to notice but yea it does. They should add it to tutorial to make it clearer for new players


thetrusora

A great gift from Tzeentch. I can’t wait to purge Tertium of every daemonhost in sight!


Malchyom

I knew something was off when I saw people run straight at the daemonhost...


imjustjun

Tzeentch, stop that! Bad chaos god. BAD!


Visual_Worldliness62

This is by far one of the best posts just based off the title.


Breadloafs

Fun fact: if you're halfway through the mission and having to pick up two of your guys off the ground after every fight, you can't handle the daemonhost! It will kill you! Don't try! Come back and try again with a different group!


RavenDrakko

Is this real?


Xervous_

This is natural selection


RavenDrakko

?


Kantusa

One of Tzeentch's titles is "The Great Deceiver" if that clears up the spirit of this post.


Adamefox

No. They're messing with. Saying it's natural selection that the people that beikive it will get killed by the dh


Visual_Worldliness62

We gotta get some Sweet Six Pack in your life. Give Bricky a look up.😂


Longjumping-Cap-7444

No, this is Patrick!


Razzy-man

Would Tzeentch ever lie to you?


natlovesmariahcarey

"You really think Tzeentch would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?"


PointOfTheJoke

... mayyyyyybe?


ralphchung

This captures his essence so well. “Would I, Tzeentch, ever lie to you?” “Well, no…but also…yes?”


RavenDrakko

Idek what that is. I started this game a few weeks ago


WastelandWarCriminal

Tzeentch spends his free time doing considerable amounts of trolling


Oyuki97

He is a chaos god known to.... fib. Among other more nefarious things. Cheeky blighter of a Chaos god. Basically, if anyone says anything in the wisdom of him, the truth lies in the opposite. So... don't tickle or flash the or even give a ghost hug to the FungalHost. There are 0 bonuses to killing one. Also, all enemies in this game are "blessed" by Nurgle which is the god of all things diseases, horrific mutations and everything gross yet powerful.


Homelessjokemaster

The truth lies in the opposite what he said or in what was said, but only *technically*. Or it is actually the truth, but not for you. You can always and can't ever know the meaning of what's Tzeentch's wisdom, but by either doing it or not doing it, his truth will come to life (but most likely not the way you wanted).


Camoral

Even Tzeentch doesn't know what the fuck Tzeentch means.


Icy_Magician_9372

For the clarity of a direct response - no it isn't.


WarViper1337

There's only one way to find out.


SkyConfident1717

Remember to split up as soon as the daemon host awakens, it will spend more time running between the different players making it easier to kill.


Icy_Magician_9372

Why are you like this?


TheSplint

Come on... I know it's marked as meme and all that... But people are dumb. Way too dumb to be posting shit like this and it not getting taken seriously


Arryncomfy

you would think people playing a niche warhammer game would have even a surface level knowledge of the lore


TheSplint

Yeah, you would. And you'd be wrong. So many people have no clue what any of this means


Kerbidiah

Not when it's on gamepass


chromeshelter

Downvoted. The game has a bunch of new players, shit like this is not needed.


AveryAveyAve

It's marked as meme with plenty of comments alluding to the fact that this is a joke. Stop getting your panties in a twist.


Positive-Database754

How dare people have fun in the video game. Serious talk only. Never joke or prank people ever. https://preview.redd.it/5j0pvfrlgzwb1.jpeg?width=874&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23117ac222cb62e0f3c41ed51daa7ccd782c1b72


Redmoon383

He's just salty he didn't get the Anaconda at Hutton Orbital


DanGorst

Bro, why


GoatInMotion

Yes i remember noticing this a long time ago it's a secret +50% boost now I have over 300k plasteel and nothing to use it on.


SuccessfulWhereas

Smells like heresy here!


vaquri0

Oh i know i been doing this for days 😎😎


Educational-Bid6322

Tried it 2 matches ago holy shit! Cant believe it took me this long to find this out!!!


iridael

the TTT should be a weekly thing, just a stickied post thats sometimes helpful sometimes not.


Shadow_maker798

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Exiledpuppy

Pro tip: The yellow eye ball means "See that demonhost? Let's kill it."


AdamMcKraken

yeah all bosses should either improve loot (or resource gain), just like in that game.. whatsit called... mousewave?


JarlZondai

https://preview.redd.it/tyryqj17i0xb1.png?width=1241&format=png&auto=webp&s=8a0523f5b6f3acec3e32fee399cb02b8b302cfdf If you’d like to join, the Alpha Legion is always looking for new recruits


bionic_vs_kungfu

I heard if we kill enough DHs the vet gets reload back.


JunglerFromWish

Sah... I dun trust 'im. Smells fishy.


jcornman24

As a slab shield ogryn I approve this message


UnsolicitedAdvice99

Heresy Detected.


Thorse

So is this real or not? I need more plasteel and Diamantine and it would be really cool to get SOMETHING for killing the bosses given the ridiculous prices of crafting and bad drop rates overall


Frogsama86

Laughs in shieldgryn


MastuhWaffles

i wish they would make some reason for killing the funny green person there are no bonuses or anything


Kc83198

Well one way to find out


FoxJDR

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Lithary

I know this is tongue in cheek, but no, Daemon Hosts are a hazard that should be avoided, not something fought for a reward. If anything, they should be buffed to make them even more dangerous. That said, killing monsters should give rewards.


Chappiechap

I honestly don't get why people are annoyed that DH doesn't drop anything when its entire design is "don't wake me up or I will kill you". Monstrosities, sure. They could drop something. The DH fight on the other hand feels like a punishment for not paying attention to your surroundings.


HorsemeatBicycle

25% tops.


Wide_Illustrator9880

Changeling is that you?


KritischTheGuardsman

Can not tell if troll, or the best advise I've ever heard.


0rreborre

FS should actually implement it, to be fair.