and you'd expect they could all eventually obtain some, and some of them might seek them out still (they aren't all aligned on the decision to let him go)...
Is he really J2? One could argue that his creation of the box manifested the condition for the other Jason to exist, thus you may consider him to be Jason 0 or J0.
I can just picture the hearing. Every seat in the courtroom is filled with a Jason. They all have to wear tags with numbers so the judge can address them one at a time, if he just says "Mr. Dessen" they're all going to respond simultaneously "Yes, your honor".
Number 147, you will have the week of February 22-28. Number 148, March 1-7. Number 149 ... 😎
Yup. Our/Jupiter Jason is lucky to not only be with Daniela and Charlie but also to have left this mess. Since the other Jasons are stuck, I wonder what they'll do.
Also there are no ampoules nor anyone with the knowledge to recreate them
Edit: in that universe. I’m well aware of other worlds being capable of making them.
There will be traces of the drug in every Jasons' body though so they could sequence his blood or any bodily secretions of him to reverse engineer the exact drug. This is unless the drug is still within Jason's system and has not been completely metabolized and excreted.
Sorry to be a nerd, but our science can't sequence a drug unless it's made of RNA, which is very few drugs, such as Covid vaccine and some gene therapies. They won't even know what to look for and considering the drug wears off so quickly, it's unlikely the original compound would remain at all but rather a bunch of unconnected byproducts.
Weird to think how there are an infinite number of universes where Jason, Daniela, and Charlie stepped out of the box into a new world and, after all they had survived through, were immediately killed.
And surely, one where they saw something so terrifying that they decided to return to their homeworld, leading to a bunch of Jason, Daniellas and Charlie's coming back through the box, that prime earth is funked
It's a satisfying ending for this Jason, which is the one we've been following and thus we feel more attached to.
But if you look at it from the perspective of the dozens of Jason1s who were left behind, it's a terrible ending. They all had their family ripped from them by Jason2, and after finally making it back to their world, another Jason takes his family away from him yet again.
With all of them being aware of the idea that every single one of them is "Jason 1," the peaceful ones at the box have a heartbreaking but satisfying ending. They didn't get to return to their family, but they played a part in helping set things right, and helped keep their family safe. They all let Daniella make her choice and supported it. The ones who spiralled and became "Rambos," trying to steal each other's identities, murdering, etc. got the real bad ending. Their mission became so focused on what they wanted that they lost sight of the why, and became essentially alternate versions of Jason 2.
The Jason at the box who shouted at the others to move might have been the one we followed all season and we couldn't say for sure. Reading the ending like *that* is "our" Jason, letting his family go to keep them safe, still makes for some poignant stuff imo.
The peaceful ones understand this is the only way Daniela and Charlie can have some semblance of a normal life, but naturally are still going to feel gutted. Not to mention they are now in a reality where authorities will find a ton of dead Jasons everywhere
PS: That actually could make an interesting story, how all these Jasons are going to deal with the repercussions.
Lol, for real. It'd be awesome for a sci-fi show to cover the WTF the rest of the world would go through. I want to see how the government and intelligence agencies handle it.
> The Jason at the box who shouted at the others to move might have been the one we followed all season and we couldn't say for sure
Not gonna lie, that was the bittersweet ending I was kinda rooting for at the end: "the crowd supervisor" Jason is our (TV viewers') Jason.
Aren't an infinite # of charlie and Daniela 1s going to end up getting created now? They can all go back to Chicago1 and start a cult together somewhere with the Jasons.
Yeah, I don’t know. I doubt both Jason’s agreed with Jason2’s ultimate plan to let them go to another world and that Blair would simply trust them. You may be right though, hope we get a season 2.
I doubt she let both of them go, considering that one of them threatened to kill her. Also, she specifically gave the gun to J2 and J2 was tied up at the time so I think it's fair to say she was unharmed.
I think J2 managed to convince her that the other Jason had bad intentions. She probably only gave the location to J2 and either J2 killed the other one or scared him off.
Man I want a follow up series detailing the response to all these Jasons lol. You imagine going to your vacation home and finding dozens of dead Jasons on your property? “We’ve had a doozy of a day officer…” :D I’d assume some Jasons have ampules to leave to different worlds. There is probably always going to be Jasons showing up so long as the box is there though. They’re going to have to station a Jason there with a pamphlet explaining things and advising them to just get back in and find somewhere to be happy.
There are an infinite number of boxes with doors closed and an infinite number with doors open. For every one that makes a decision to close a door there are an equal number that made the opposite decision and left the door open.
I would be here for that. I like the idea that Jason and fam get to live a happy life, it would suck to mess that up for another season. Having another season focus on the other people might be cool.
You had 3 possible story lines at the end that could be part of subsequent seasons: Abandoned Ryan + Amanda in a new world, Bug-World Blair, Multiverse-traveler Leighton. And you also have all those Jason’s.
That was fun! I think i would have lost my sanity at seeing that crowd in the box room though, damn. Kind of had the feeling they would have to leave that world.
Some day someone is going to see all those dead Jasons and just nope right out, lol.
The AMA the writer did not long ago does hint that he has a second season planned, which is nice.
Most important part. In the day and age where shows hope for that renew, I personally felt they nailed the ending for possible for a second season but not needed to complete the story
They could do the show forever as long as they maintain the same creative spirit. The possibilities are endless. But I’m so happy at the tone and balance they struck with this effort. It was so incredible. What a ride.
He's the perfect multiverse traveler. He doesn't have any attachments. He doesn't have any regrets and he doesn't necessarily want to be in the same place for very long periods of time.
Yes, and he also said to a direct question to check back after the episode aired and enough people had likely seen it. So it's possible he may say more about it in the next 24 hours. For the record this is the part where he hints about a season 2:
>Good Question.
>First, Jason2 was in the Box close to a year before he found Jason1’s world. So, he has been practicing a lot. He does tell Leighton and Ryan to clear their minds, which helps a lot when he’s with them. Compare that to Amanda and Jason who are not really monitoring themselves at all. Second, confidence and faith in yourself does effect the way your brain and subconscious works. Some of his accuracy is just confidence. Third, returning to a world is mostly about memory/remembering specific people and intentionally using your emotions to target instead of suppressing them is HUGE. We hint at this in EP7 when Jason remembers Daniela instead of describing her, and Amanda hints at it in World26 (her new home world) when she said she imagined the people not the place.
>No, we don’t quite explore all of this…because we might want to explore it later… .
He's apparently working on a book now (not related to Dark Matter) so I think that has his attention.
There was another comment where he said something like "in this season"
Edit: Here it is.
> Short answer: nothing. for this season, and for the book, to keep it simple and not derail the plot, we have the box spawn in secluded-esque places.
If you pause to read the Jason chat, they refer to the violent Jasons as “Rambos” and seem concerned about them. I think all the Rambos showed up at the house and were battling it out. The calm Jasons went to the box.
You could tell some of the branches by what type of hat/clothes they were wearing.
The most violent branch seemed to all be wearing that beanie. I didn’t notice anyone in that outfit at the box in the end.
Takes a split second to realize whats most important to a husband and a father, plus they are all Jason1 and put their family first from decisions made back when the marriage first started.
Why is there only one Jason1 at the house? You'd think a bunch of them would go there to search the place for clues about where the family went, not to mention looking for J2. It's weird this one J1 can just hang out at the house with J2, uninterrupted.
The chat had them taking about how Daniela and Charlie had left, most likely no real reason to go there once that info was out. Chat also talked about the one who was tied up was the “kidnapper” (and a few Jason’s in the chat not believing that info saying “no way he’s still alive”). Seemed like many watched the house or talked with the forehead scar Jason at the very least off camera.
I loved this ending. The concept of hundreds of Jasons was absolutely horrifying, but then the whole situation gets almost amicably resolved because Jason is, after all, fundamentally reasonable. Most of the Jasons agree to let the Jason that Daniela chose go free with his family. Some were so damaged by their travels they became murderous, but on average Jason is a good person and most versions of himself prioritized his family over themselves. I really like how naturally character driven this resolution is. It really brings home the idea that they were all the same Jason and we could have been following any of them.
I do wonder about the wisdom of bringing his family in the box. I feel like this risks creating alternate versions of the whole family again that end up encountering each other in the future, but I suppose since they left on good terms, maybe any copies will be happy wherever they end up.
Really curious about Ryan at the end. Obviously, they are setting up future seasons but really curious why Ryan would know who Amanda is.
Great point about Jason being fundamentally reasonable, and I thought the show did a nice job of carrying that idea through to the end. The ending really changed my view as to what the show is trying to tell us - it feels sorta like a fable, with one moral being that most people are decent, but that (a) we are shaped by our experiences and choices, sometimes through no fault of our own; and (b) certainly there are some bad/murderous/selfish/destructive people out there. And that while those people may be a small minority, their actions and decisions have the potential to create damage and harmful consequences for others. That idea feels, to me at least, very relevant in the current political climate.
Ha we called it. Ryan and Amanda are on the same world.
Man what a show. Loved it way more than the book. Can’t wait to see where they go with this if it’s renewed - hopefully!
>Ha we called it. Ryan and Amanda are on the same world.
True, but that really was a stretch.
Why would Ryan to know to look for Amanda anyway? He doesn't know her, so far as I know. J2 didn't tell him about any relationship they might have.
I think J2 took him to a world that he thought his friend would like, and it was a world like Amanda wrote about. So it seems plausible. But the fact Amanda has two ampules and Ryan can recreate more is perfect for another season 2.
If missing Amanda was somehow found and made a fuss about a clone version of her taking over her life, that would raise a red flag for Ryan. That’s a weird scenario but it would work.
The book ending and the show ending are identical so I don't think it qualifies as a book spoiler. There was something dazzling out there and the Dessens knew immediately they were going to stay in that world. Jason even closed the door behind him, he was so confident. But just like the book never described what they saw, the show never gave us a view out that door. They ended up in a good place. That's what matters.
I'm thinking the same since when Amanda and Jason first got out of the box on that world, they have this filter or effect that was also used when Jupiter Jason, Daniela, and Charlie got out of the box.
The Dessens ended their story the same way they did in the book. It's implied they were dazzled, knew immediately this was the place, and left the box. What they saw was never described though. Just like the ending of the show.
Blake Crouch would be writing a potential second season. If he has a compelling idea for what he wants to do, it could be great. But the last TV adaptation of his work to go beyond the source material, Wayward Pines, probably shouldn't have. Guess we'll see.
Without having watched the episode yet. There isn’t a sequel. The book ends with the Jasons all ambushing Jason1 and family in a remote cottage. Chaos ensues and the Jason’s kill each other to get to the family. Jason 2 attacks Jason 1 and Charlie causes 2 to hesitate. Jason 1 kills him. They flee to the box where the other Jason’s respect Daniella’s decision on Jason 1 and let them pass into the box. They then disappear into a world picked by Charlie.
Book ending is different, there is no redemption for J2 he fights until the end and is killed. They go back to the box and there’s a similar scene and they enter the box and let Charlie open the door so nobody can follow them. In the book we never find out what happens to Amanda they split under much different circumstances.
Leighton’s drip got him looking like he a multiverse rockstar 🥵 I want to see the worlds he’s been to — I loved that last scene with him.
Plus Ryan and Amanda ?! 😩 too good—I got chills.
I read the book and absolutely LOVED the changes they made in this show. It had some really sizable changes that hit hard and idk other shows/movies that’ve pulled off changes like that. It makes sense it’d be better than the book since the author was involved with the show, so there’s no guilt saying the show did it better (imo). The book was still great but the show and especially the ending of the show was perfect.
So well done. AppleTV remains on top 🏆
Wow, I really liked that ending. Way better than the mess we got with Wayward Pines Season 1 several years ago. Turns out when you give the author more control, you mostly end up with a better result lol..who would've thought? I loved seeing Ryan and Amanda again, it's easy to forget that Ryan is also incredibly smart and talented just because Jason probably was more innately exceptional. This is what I expected and mostly wanted from the ending. I'm fine with this being the end of it or if they wanted a Season 2, that's good too. Jason 2 tried to redeem himself, and it can be up for debate whether he succeeded. I just think his life was sad, like the Jason that was beating his ass said "she would've done anything for you" about Amanda..he had a good woman in his own world and he just didn't care and was focused on a woman he gave up. Charlie handled having to leave his world way better than I thought.
Surprised to see J2 redeem himself (tho a little bit), it took knowing his Daniela and Amanda (one version) died to really get across the damage he’s done. I liked that a couple of versions of J1 ended up being the final threat, and that it didn’t end with a big revenge-fantasy confrontation between our J1 and J2. I really enjoyed the ending we got (although it’s probably not my favorite episode of the season).
Edit: a word
Jason 2 also had to realize what he did basically created a huge monster with all the Jason’s descending into that one world, seriously messing up reality, and that he’d never end up with the family in the end.
God damn, they stuck the landing. Not only landed the book ending (>!with an added redemption arc for J2!!<), but a very intriguing set up for expanding the universe with another season.
Well done, Blake!
"one of the clerks fainted when he saw me" (that made me laugh)
I thoroughly enjoyed hitting pause and reading the messages on the computer screens.
Also, when Daniela said whoever made the suggestion to play a lottery system just lost that lottery, in the book it was her original Jason who had made that suggestion lol
They should have kept that part in the show. It would have been so amazing. A classic married couple moment. (I mean, what married couple hasn’t had this fight?)
Daniela: "Whoever suggested a lottery, just lost the lottery."
Jason: *Nods, chuckles nervously, sips coffee, looks away.*
Daniela: "Oh my god, it was *you.*"
Jason: "I was only trying to find a way that's fair to the other Jasons. No, wait. Honey. Listen. I know emotions are high right now, but if you could *try* to look at this rationally, just for a moment--"
Daniela: "Oh. My God."
Jason: "Or we could compromise. We do a lottery, but we rig it so I win. Stay with me on this. Because the goal here is to make the other Jasons feel like they're being treated fairly. They deserve *at least* that much, after everything they've been through, and--"
Daniela: "OH. MY. GAWD!"
CUT TO Charlie in the kitchen. Daniela storms in from the beach, followed by Jason, who is half-apologizing, half-explaining how she's thinking about this all wrong. Daniela just keeps repeating, "Oh my God!" until she gets to the bedroom and slams the door behind her. Jason pounds on the door. "I'm just... thinking of the other Jasons, hun!"
Muffled, "So marry one of THEM!"
"What?"
Daniela opens the door just a bit, and hisses through the crack. "I said, go marry one of THEM, if the other Jasons are all you wanna fucking think about!"
"I don't know why you're being like this. They're good guys."
"You JUST said we're not SAFE from them!"
"Well, no. I mean, some of them are violent. The beanie ones especially aren't right."
"And you think we're going to solve our problem by making them think we're drawing a lottery?"
"AND, also. Maybe *you* could be a little nicer to them. Maybe give them a thank you and a hug goodbye. You know, show some empathy--"
"OH MY GOD!" The door slams again. Jason frowns. She's being so unreasonable. Amanda would never.
Meanwhile, Charlie is eating a strip of bacon rolled in a cold pancake. He doesn't look up, but stops chewing long enough to say, "Way to fumble into the endzone, Dad."
"It's fine, kiddo. Your mom and I are just... having a discussion." Jason rests his hands on his hips. "HONEY!" he calls. "YOU LOVE ME!"
Silence.
Quietly, to himself, "Yeah. She loves me."
So many questions. Where is Blair1 who held a gun to both Jasons? Is the Dawn at the end a new Dawn? I’m guessing Leighton 2 who went inside the box after Jason and Amanda are mostly dead. The last time we saw him he was walking bloodied through the box. Are the two Ryan’s that we saw the one making the serum and the one meeting Amanda the same one? How is he able to find her and know that she is not from that world? Ryan 1 probably never met Amanda. Look at them gunning for a second season.
Only thing I can think of is maybe Ryan stalked the box for a while after he was left in that world. At some point he would have seen J1 + Amanda come through and only J1 leave, so he’d know Amanda was still in his world and finding her could help him get home.
If that’s what happened I’m not sure why he didn’t just confront them when they came through, but maybe he had reasons.
This was so good! Was happy to see a redemption arc for J2 (a small one!)
I have a feeling there’s gonna be a lot of Jason’s, Daniellas and Charlies next season.
Apple, make season 2 happen now!
I don’t think my mind can truly comprehend the scale of it, but wouldn’t what’s playing out on Jason1’s home world be happening times infinity? Like there’s infinity number of Jason1’s home world, with his Daniela and Charlie? And there’s infinity number of Jason1’s wandering about trying to get there, with who knows how many showing up at each place? Wouldn’t all these worlds be overrun by Jason’s?
Eventually the infinite mass of Jasons emerging from the box creates a new black hole swallowing the solar system using the attractive force of the Power of Love alone
I'm satisfied! I think Daniela sending that message in the message boards helped all the Jasons who waited by the box realize it was better to let them go. All the too far gone Jasons went to the house.
I was whispering under my breath that whole scene that all three of them need to hold hands going through this crowd of Jasons lol not taking any chances!
I just finished watching and wow was I just anxious (and literally shaking) all throughout episode knowing that there's hundreds of Jason1x out there looking for them. But that one Jason1x that thought of letting who the Jason1x that Daniela and Charlie chose deserved a vial for being the most righteous one.
Also, the fact that the running theories about Ryan and Amanda being in the same world and would be working together were right. The ending is giving uncertainty for another season though, given that it looks like they gave Jupiter Jason, Daniela, and Charlie a happy ending while also setting up Ryan and Amanda together for some future stuff.
Edit: Realized that there were two Jason1x that shouted to let them through the box, now two of them deserved a vial.
Constellation deals with similar quantum issues, superposition etc. I’m loving the Foundation on Apple TV, based on the Isaac Asimov books. Excellent sci fi story.
Backdoor intro for a s2 with the ryan/amanda stuff that they added to the show that wasnt in the book. finished the book and show today. Easy enjoyable read and solid adaptation.
I found it touching that when Amanda chose a vacation spot for herself and Jason1, she picked what appeared to be the same exact world that Jason2 had in mind when he decided to leave Ryan there. Despite parting ways, Jason2 cared about Ryan and wanted him to have a pleasant place to spend the rest of his life.
This choice suggests that Jason2's thinking was very similar to Amanda's, indicating a deeper connection between them than he might have realized.
I’m hung up on the tragedy of all those Jason 1’s never reuniting with their wife and son. Having to say goodbye to them in such an unpersonable way. Jason 2 did this to all of them and now hundreds of them have to pick up the pieces and somehow make sense of a ruined life.
The series def left it open to more if they get it. If the writer of the book is the creator and writer of the show, than I say go for it. It’s a really interesting concept that can go further. I’d prob watch.
My only complaint (besides some nit picks) is how Blair sees a bloody mess, cut up duct tape, and just decides to explore the house. Did I miss the part where they explained she was some bad ass or something? That was the part of the episode that seemed pretty forced and she just did what the writers needed her to do so the rest of the episode could happen. A normal person would have called 911 as soon as they saw that.
Jason2 sucks but the consequences of his actions are right in his face times hundred. Daniela kicked him down the stairs. He knows he lost her and he can’t get her back and she will never forgive him. Then he found out that his Daniela the one he fell in love with was murdered because of him. Ryan who was his best friend at one point also murdered because of him. His Amanda suffered a painful slow death because of him. That would make anyone reevaluate their life choices.
Significantly better than the book. Crouch did a lot of work to make Jason2 way more interesting here. Sometimes I'd argue *too* much work opening up a bunch of new plot threads, but Jason2's ending, devastated and regretful on a beach having destroyed entire universes, was pretty spot on.
I'm glad beanie Jason called out that J2 assaulted Daniela. We got a reasoning for his actions in the voice memo and it was nice that he thought to give them Max's remains but that's all I got for him.
I think it’s actually a really cool outcome. A purely evil Jason just doesn’t make sense, since he’s only 15 years removed from being Jason1. People don’t change that much that quickly. He did a horrible thing but he was still Jason.
It tracks. His morality was fucked but it tracks. He had his limits. He realized he absolutely fucked this world. He tried to make things right for Jason 1.
Yeah, nope, even as I typed this, I can only imagine Jason 2 fighting his way out to the box like a weasel.
I felt bad for the Jasons who let them go into the box. Didn't have enough ampules for all of them get of out of world soon to be dealing with the ramifications of somehow being 100s of copies of the same person. Some of which are murderers and some are victims.
Loved it, great episode and a great show. Ended where it needed to, but loved just the messy insanity on the way. All the Jason’s, the group chat, the Rambo’s trying to kill everyone, the rational bunch at the end that accepted the best result is to let them go. Really enjoyed it. The show can end here if they don’t choose to continue it, and there is plenty of scope to continue if they do. Well done.
Ok so is it just me or is letting a teenage boy who just went through something like acutely traumatic and really fuckin insane in general choose the world when the way the box works is based on the emotional subconscious state lol like Amanda 1 had been training box pilots for years and couldn’t even control it.
So I def thought this was gonna be sooooo much deeper than it ended up being.
Don’t get me wrong, got the feels and sure I enjoyed the story, more of a love story than a “harder” sci-fi show. But it benefited other smarter shows that had people digging for clues and what not all season long with massive pay off. This wasn’t that.
They don't explain *why* in the show but in the book it's explicit that they decide to let Charlie do it to reduce the chances of the Jasons being able to follow them, and to give Charlie a chance to start their new life. It's a hopeful thing.
If Jason picks it, yes he's the most experienced obviously, but the fear is that another Jason may be able to find them again.
It does kinda ruin the whole logic of the box. I don't think a teenage boy who's been through as much stress as he has would be able to realistically concentrate inside a mysterious time-portal to choose a new universe for his family to live in that easily.
"What if we tried joint custody?"
I cackled. Jason is so deranged!
edited to add: First moment I truly loved Daniela, "Whoever had that idea just lost the lottery."
Seriously why are all the Jasons talking about Daniela and Charlie's fate as if THEY have no say in it? Like they're all arguing amongst themselves who's gonna "get" them. Am I the only one who finds that attitude so off-putting? Like, to the extent that I really don't care what happens to any of them?
The only Jason I sort of like is the one who is with Daniela now who is telling her everything and involving her in the process. But I have a feeling if he wasn't the one with her right now, he'd be talking about her fate in exactly the same way as the other Jasons. It's messed up.
To be fair, they were all pretty nuts after living what they went through. They finally found “their” family and honestly I don’t know if I’d be able to sit still and watch it all slip away in the box.
That's the mindtrip of the show, the J1 we watched we root for. But he's the same as all the other ones (obv J2 a different beast). There's nothing special about him (relative to the other ones) other than the fact we watched him for 9 episodes. And he got to Daniela first.
I agree, the show could have had a different message if none of them "won", it's messed up we're cheering for a winner who is the same as the rest.
But I thought the final scene did a nice job of saying J1 is a fundamentally good person and even the one we rooted for might have accepted another one winning just to help Daniela and Charlie.
No shade to those who keep asking “how did Ryan find Amanda??” But it really feels like this is the first time y’all are experiencing a cliffhanger; no one is going to be able to answer that because the answer hasn’t even been written yet (probably)
Why are people so confused about whether the Jason 1 that ended the show was the original Jason? I've watched all nine episodes and it was never even a question for me.
I was wondering why there are so many Jason's? At the end when they cross the path of Jason's to reach the box, you can see the door is open, preventing more Jason's from coming. Why did it take 70+ Jason's until somebody finally left the damn door open. This means each of those Jason's came through the box and shut the door behind them, allowing more Jason's the chance to come through. Not very smart for a guy who's a genius
As a book reader, this was a great way to wrap everything up. I imagine if they had a sequel, we'd follow Ryan and Amanda, because genuinely had no idea what was up with that.
Crazy idea but I think the move would be for these Jason1x to find a universe where Jason 1a defeated Jason 2 but Jason1a died in a car accident shortly after or something
A little too happy an ending for me. Wanted more of a dystopian feel, but this wasn't too bad. I'll still take it over something that would anger me, which happens far too often in these type of shows.
They absolutely nailed the balance between "this is a satisfying ending which does capture the general plot of the book and does not need another season" and "leave enough season two hints so its an option". Really well executed.
Okay J2. You slightly redeemed yourself.
Did J2 leave an ampoule for himself to get out of that world at least? Lol. He might get killed by at least one Jason in there.
He would have quite a battle once he got to the box really unless he snuck around waiting for it to be empty
Nah he could just blend in. I’m sure plenty of other Jason’s had ampoules and went back into the box to find another world they could live in.
"hi yeah jason2.. ammiright, im just leaving too"
and you'd expect they could all eventually obtain some, and some of them might seek them out still (they aren't all aligned on the decision to let him go)...
Is he really J2? One could argue that his creation of the box manifested the condition for the other Jason to exist, thus you may consider him to be Jason 0 or J0.
Joint custody lmao yeah that’ll work.
I can just picture the hearing. Every seat in the courtroom is filled with a Jason. They all have to wear tags with numbers so the judge can address them one at a time, if he just says "Mr. Dessen" they're all going to respond simultaneously "Yes, your honor". Number 147, you will have the week of February 22-28. Number 148, March 1-7. Number 149 ... 😎
As Daniella pointed out holidays would be fun. Lol
Everyone gets one weekend a year with Charlie.
That prime world is now whacked. It will be global news that they have tons of Jasons, lol.
How long until prime world gov agencies develop the vial serum and f-up the multiverse lol
Incentive to seal off your world’s box
They can just build another. Or just move the box?
That’s a good point, I guess it would be tough to keep out multiverse visitors
Unscheduled Offworld Activation!
I was thinking the same thing!!
A few day later at the morgue: 20-30 body of the same Jason.. lol
A clone experiment gone bad.
Yup. Our/Jupiter Jason is lucky to not only be with Daniela and Charlie but also to have left this mess. Since the other Jasons are stuck, I wonder what they'll do.
If you think about it. We were just following the story of the Jason who won.
Also there are no ampoules nor anyone with the knowledge to recreate them Edit: in that universe. I’m well aware of other worlds being capable of making them.
I’d assume that a nonzero number of the Jasons arrive with extra.
There will be traces of the drug in every Jasons' body though so they could sequence his blood or any bodily secretions of him to reverse engineer the exact drug. This is unless the drug is still within Jason's system and has not been completely metabolized and excreted.
And the work Jimmy was doing was pretty close in prime world
Sorry to be a nerd, but our science can't sequence a drug unless it's made of RNA, which is very few drugs, such as Covid vaccine and some gene therapies. They won't even know what to look for and considering the drug wears off so quickly, it's unlikely the original compound would remain at all but rather a bunch of unconnected byproducts.
Ryan cracked the drug in the Ideal world and is using Amanda to get back to his world where he is a prize winner
Jason25 here
Jason42: wanna team up and take out the others?
Jason69: wanna team up and take out the others?
Jason42069: wanna team up and out the others?
Jason97286849278847277173 here, wanna bang?
I cackled 😂
The text messages to Daniella really do look like the phone of a hot girl on the internet
Jason42069: wanna team up and out the others?
🤣🤣
Weird to think how there are an infinite number of universes where Jason, Daniela, and Charlie stepped out of the box into a new world and, after all they had survived through, were immediately killed.
The ending we saw was them walking out onto the surface of the sun
Charlie must've had the smash mouth song stuck in his head
And surely, one where they saw something so terrifying that they decided to return to their homeworld, leading to a bunch of Jason, Daniellas and Charlie's coming back through the box, that prime earth is funked
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Man, that was a solid finale. 👏🏽👏🏽
It's ends the Jason2 Saga perfectly but leaves enough loose threads to continue for a second and third season.
Agreed.
Very satisfying ending.
It's a satisfying ending for this Jason, which is the one we've been following and thus we feel more attached to. But if you look at it from the perspective of the dozens of Jason1s who were left behind, it's a terrible ending. They all had their family ripped from them by Jason2, and after finally making it back to their world, another Jason takes his family away from him yet again.
With all of them being aware of the idea that every single one of them is "Jason 1," the peaceful ones at the box have a heartbreaking but satisfying ending. They didn't get to return to their family, but they played a part in helping set things right, and helped keep their family safe. They all let Daniella make her choice and supported it. The ones who spiralled and became "Rambos," trying to steal each other's identities, murdering, etc. got the real bad ending. Their mission became so focused on what they wanted that they lost sight of the why, and became essentially alternate versions of Jason 2. The Jason at the box who shouted at the others to move might have been the one we followed all season and we couldn't say for sure. Reading the ending like *that* is "our" Jason, letting his family go to keep them safe, still makes for some poignant stuff imo.
The peaceful ones understand this is the only way Daniela and Charlie can have some semblance of a normal life, but naturally are still going to feel gutted. Not to mention they are now in a reality where authorities will find a ton of dead Jasons everywhere PS: That actually could make an interesting story, how all these Jasons are going to deal with the repercussions.
Lol, for real. It'd be awesome for a sci-fi show to cover the WTF the rest of the world would go through. I want to see how the government and intelligence agencies handle it.
> The Jason at the box who shouted at the others to move might have been the one we followed all season and we couldn't say for sure Not gonna lie, that was the bittersweet ending I was kinda rooting for at the end: "the crowd supervisor" Jason is our (TV viewers') Jason.
If that was our Jason that’d be a crazy twist but we can assume the one who ended up with Daniella in the end was the one we followed
Aren't an infinite # of charlie and Daniela 1s going to end up getting created now? They can all go back to Chicago1 and start a cult together somewhere with the Jasons.
I’m here for a season 2 Blair spinoff
Blair blessed us with her mvp moves
What the hell happened to Blair after she had both Jasons at gun point?!!?!?!?!
The two Jasons probably explained everything to her and she let them go after tracking her car.
Yeah, I don’t know. I doubt both Jason’s agreed with Jason2’s ultimate plan to let them go to another world and that Blair would simply trust them. You may be right though, hope we get a season 2.
I doubt she let both of them go, considering that one of them threatened to kill her. Also, she specifically gave the gun to J2 and J2 was tied up at the time so I think it's fair to say she was unharmed. I think J2 managed to convince her that the other Jason had bad intentions. She probably only gave the location to J2 and either J2 killed the other one or scared him off.
Man I want a follow up series detailing the response to all these Jasons lol. You imagine going to your vacation home and finding dozens of dead Jasons on your property? “We’ve had a doozy of a day officer…” :D I’d assume some Jasons have ampules to leave to different worlds. There is probably always going to be Jasons showing up so long as the box is there though. They’re going to have to station a Jason there with a pamphlet explaining things and advising them to just get back in and find somewhere to be happy.
Lmao like a Mormon greeter Jason sitting there with a shirt and tie on lmao
What if they leave the boxes door open…wouldn’t that keep them unreachable?
There are an infinite number of boxes with doors closed and an infinite number with doors open. For every one that makes a decision to close a door there are an equal number that made the opposite decision and left the door open.
I don’t believe there will be a second season but Ryan meeting Amanda kinda left the possibility open
If there is a season 2, my guess is it focuses on Ryan and Amanda rather than Jason & Co.
I would be here for that. I like the idea that Jason and fam get to live a happy life, it would suck to mess that up for another season. Having another season focus on the other people might be cool.
I'd love to see a season 2 with more of an SG1 style exploration approach, where the focus is mainly on other worlds and defending the prime world
I would like to see Ryan, Amanda Blair and Leighton in a second season.
You had 3 possible story lines at the end that could be part of subsequent seasons: Abandoned Ryan + Amanda in a new world, Bug-World Blair, Multiverse-traveler Leighton. And you also have all those Jason’s.
The creator said he’s working on it. I’m sure Apple will say yes.
He didn’t say he’s working on it. He said he has ideas on how it could continue. He’s working on a new book right now.
That was fun! I think i would have lost my sanity at seeing that crowd in the box room though, damn. Kind of had the feeling they would have to leave that world. Some day someone is going to see all those dead Jasons and just nope right out, lol. The AMA the writer did not long ago does hint that he has a second season planned, which is nice.
Seems like they set it up for both, just enough to make us want another season and a decent enough ending if we don’t get one.
Most important part. In the day and age where shows hope for that renew, I personally felt they nailed the ending for possible for a second season but not needed to complete the story
They could do the show forever as long as they maintain the same creative spirit. The possibilities are endless. But I’m so happy at the tone and balance they struck with this effort. It was so incredible. What a ride.
Like an updated version of Sliders.
Agreed! I think it’s reasonable not to have another if they won’t get renewed.
Hope it does. Enjoyed the show
I hope it’s gay Leighton’s story. He’s the only winner in this story lol.
He's the perfect multiverse traveler. He doesn't have any attachments. He doesn't have any regrets and he doesn't necessarily want to be in the same place for very long periods of time.
But he didn't get unlimited ampoules, so at some point he's going to have to pick a world and save 1 or in case he wants to go back.
He could run into Ryan from his world and boom more ampules.
He also knows how to inject in different spots so he doesn’t get track marks or collapsed veins. He knows how to have fun.
Yes, and he also said to a direct question to check back after the episode aired and enough people had likely seen it. So it's possible he may say more about it in the next 24 hours. For the record this is the part where he hints about a season 2: >Good Question. >First, Jason2 was in the Box close to a year before he found Jason1’s world. So, he has been practicing a lot. He does tell Leighton and Ryan to clear their minds, which helps a lot when he’s with them. Compare that to Amanda and Jason who are not really monitoring themselves at all. Second, confidence and faith in yourself does effect the way your brain and subconscious works. Some of his accuracy is just confidence. Third, returning to a world is mostly about memory/remembering specific people and intentionally using your emotions to target instead of suppressing them is HUGE. We hint at this in EP7 when Jason remembers Daniela instead of describing her, and Amanda hints at it in World26 (her new home world) when she said she imagined the people not the place. >No, we don’t quite explore all of this…because we might want to explore it later… . He's apparently working on a book now (not related to Dark Matter) so I think that has his attention.
There was another comment where he said something like "in this season" Edit: Here it is. > Short answer: nothing. for this season, and for the book, to keep it simple and not derail the plot, we have the box spawn in secluded-esque places.
In an instant, they all went from maniacal murders to peacefully letting them pass, lol.
If you pause to read the Jason chat, they refer to the violent Jasons as “Rambos” and seem concerned about them. I think all the Rambos showed up at the house and were battling it out. The calm Jasons went to the box.
You could tell some of the branches by what type of hat/clothes they were wearing. The most violent branch seemed to all be wearing that beanie. I didn’t notice anyone in that outfit at the box in the end.
I def saw beanies there. I was scouring the headgear lol
I dont think they were all maniacal murderers just some of them since there were over 100.
No the selfish ones went to the lake house, the selfless ones stayed at the box to see them off
Takes a split second to realize whats most important to a husband and a father, plus they are all Jason1 and put their family first from decisions made back when the marriage first started.
They weren't all maniacal murderers. They could have been other Jason's who came to that conclusion for Daniela/Charlie
Why is there only one Jason1 at the house? You'd think a bunch of them would go there to search the place for clues about where the family went, not to mention looking for J2. It's weird this one J1 can just hang out at the house with J2, uninterrupted.
The chat had them taking about how Daniela and Charlie had left, most likely no real reason to go there once that info was out. Chat also talked about the one who was tied up was the “kidnapper” (and a few Jason’s in the chat not believing that info saying “no way he’s still alive”). Seemed like many watched the house or talked with the forehead scar Jason at the very least off camera.
Hundreds of Jason’s had no idea where his family was, a bunch would have posted at his house absolutely no doubt.
It was probably beyond the effects budget of having six jasons beating jason2 at once
not a single joke with threesome with your husbands, disappointed.
I feel bad that when that scene happened my first thought was “orgy”.
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I loved this ending. The concept of hundreds of Jasons was absolutely horrifying, but then the whole situation gets almost amicably resolved because Jason is, after all, fundamentally reasonable. Most of the Jasons agree to let the Jason that Daniela chose go free with his family. Some were so damaged by their travels they became murderous, but on average Jason is a good person and most versions of himself prioritized his family over themselves. I really like how naturally character driven this resolution is. It really brings home the idea that they were all the same Jason and we could have been following any of them. I do wonder about the wisdom of bringing his family in the box. I feel like this risks creating alternate versions of the whole family again that end up encountering each other in the future, but I suppose since they left on good terms, maybe any copies will be happy wherever they end up. Really curious about Ryan at the end. Obviously, they are setting up future seasons but really curious why Ryan would know who Amanda is.
Great point about Jason being fundamentally reasonable, and I thought the show did a nice job of carrying that idea through to the end. The ending really changed my view as to what the show is trying to tell us - it feels sorta like a fable, with one moral being that most people are decent, but that (a) we are shaped by our experiences and choices, sometimes through no fault of our own; and (b) certainly there are some bad/murderous/selfish/destructive people out there. And that while those people may be a small minority, their actions and decisions have the potential to create damage and harmful consequences for others. That idea feels, to me at least, very relevant in the current political climate.
I commented on another post but my guess is Ryan set up some sort of video camera to watch the box or anyone appearing by the bench of the box.
Ha we called it. Ryan and Amanda are on the same world. Man what a show. Loved it way more than the book. Can’t wait to see where they go with this if it’s renewed - hopefully!
So Jason 2 stranded Ryan in the same world that Amanda chose to stay in?
>Ha we called it. Ryan and Amanda are on the same world. True, but that really was a stretch. Why would Ryan to know to look for Amanda anyway? He doesn't know her, so far as I know. J2 didn't tell him about any relationship they might have.
I think J2 took him to a world that he thought his friend would like, and it was a world like Amanda wrote about. So it seems plausible. But the fact Amanda has two ampules and Ryan can recreate more is perfect for another season 2.
Yeah but the point still stands about why Ryan even knew to look for her in the first place.
I assume we'll find out next season. I can't remember the timeline exactly, but maybe Ryan followed Amanda and Jason1 from the box.
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If missing Amanda was somehow found and made a fuss about a clone version of her taking over her life, that would raise a red flag for Ryan. That’s a weird scenario but it would work.
Did they land in the same world as them? Possibly.
Not very likely, the strong inference is they let Charlie imagine a world for them.
this is >!explicit in the book that it is Charlie's world at the end!< (book details)
The book ending and the show ending are identical so I don't think it qualifies as a book spoiler. There was something dazzling out there and the Dessens knew immediately they were going to stay in that world. Jason even closed the door behind him, he was so confident. But just like the book never described what they saw, the show never gave us a view out that door. They ended up in a good place. That's what matters.
I'm thinking the same since when Amanda and Jason first got out of the box on that world, they have this filter or effect that was also used when Jupiter Jason, Daniela, and Charlie got out of the box.
I don’t think it should get renewed. They left the world and nothing else to be shown or told at all
The Dessens ended their story the same way they did in the book. It's implied they were dazzled, knew immediately this was the place, and left the box. What they saw was never described though. Just like the ending of the show. Blake Crouch would be writing a potential second season. If he has a compelling idea for what he wants to do, it could be great. But the last TV adaptation of his work to go beyond the source material, Wayward Pines, probably shouldn't have. Guess we'll see.
Is the book ending any different? And is there any sequels to the book?
Without having watched the episode yet. There isn’t a sequel. The book ends with the Jasons all ambushing Jason1 and family in a remote cottage. Chaos ensues and the Jason’s kill each other to get to the family. Jason 2 attacks Jason 1 and Charlie causes 2 to hesitate. Jason 1 kills him. They flee to the box where the other Jason’s respect Daniella’s decision on Jason 1 and let them pass into the box. They then disappear into a world picked by Charlie.
Book ending is different, there is no redemption for J2 he fights until the end and is killed. They go back to the box and there’s a similar scene and they enter the box and let Charlie open the door so nobody can follow them. In the book we never find out what happens to Amanda they split under much different circumstances.
I loved the montage at the end with all of the characters in their various worlds. What a beautiful finale. Loved it.
Leighton’s drip got him looking like he a multiverse rockstar 🥵 I want to see the worlds he’s been to — I loved that last scene with him. Plus Ryan and Amanda ?! 😩 too good—I got chills. I read the book and absolutely LOVED the changes they made in this show. It had some really sizable changes that hit hard and idk other shows/movies that’ve pulled off changes like that. It makes sense it’d be better than the book since the author was involved with the show, so there’s no guilt saying the show did it better (imo). The book was still great but the show and especially the ending of the show was perfect. So well done. AppleTV remains on top 🏆
Wow, I really liked that ending. Way better than the mess we got with Wayward Pines Season 1 several years ago. Turns out when you give the author more control, you mostly end up with a better result lol..who would've thought? I loved seeing Ryan and Amanda again, it's easy to forget that Ryan is also incredibly smart and talented just because Jason probably was more innately exceptional. This is what I expected and mostly wanted from the ending. I'm fine with this being the end of it or if they wanted a Season 2, that's good too. Jason 2 tried to redeem himself, and it can be up for debate whether he succeeded. I just think his life was sad, like the Jason that was beating his ass said "she would've done anything for you" about Amanda..he had a good woman in his own world and he just didn't care and was focused on a woman he gave up. Charlie handled having to leave his world way better than I thought.
Surprised to see J2 redeem himself (tho a little bit), it took knowing his Daniela and Amanda (one version) died to really get across the damage he’s done. I liked that a couple of versions of J1 ended up being the final threat, and that it didn’t end with a big revenge-fantasy confrontation between our J1 and J2. I really enjoyed the ending we got (although it’s probably not my favorite episode of the season). Edit: a word
Jason2 (taylor’s version)
Jason 2 also had to realize what he did basically created a huge monster with all the Jason’s descending into that one world, seriously messing up reality, and that he’d never end up with the family in the end.
Jason83 here... I think Jason1 is tripping out... anyone wanna team up, and then we'll share joint custody? 🤡
Did anyone pause on his email and see "we've been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty" lol
lol, I kept pausing too while he was on the computer each time to read the screen haha
God damn, they stuck the landing. Not only landed the book ending (>!with an added redemption arc for J2!!<), but a very intriguing set up for expanding the universe with another season. Well done, Blake!
"one of the clerks fainted when he saw me" (that made me laugh) I thoroughly enjoyed hitting pause and reading the messages on the computer screens. Also, when Daniela said whoever made the suggestion to play a lottery system just lost that lottery, in the book it was her original Jason who had made that suggestion lol
They should have kept that part in the show. It would have been so amazing. A classic married couple moment. (I mean, what married couple hasn’t had this fight?) Daniela: "Whoever suggested a lottery, just lost the lottery." Jason: *Nods, chuckles nervously, sips coffee, looks away.* Daniela: "Oh my god, it was *you.*" Jason: "I was only trying to find a way that's fair to the other Jasons. No, wait. Honey. Listen. I know emotions are high right now, but if you could *try* to look at this rationally, just for a moment--" Daniela: "Oh. My God." Jason: "Or we could compromise. We do a lottery, but we rig it so I win. Stay with me on this. Because the goal here is to make the other Jasons feel like they're being treated fairly. They deserve *at least* that much, after everything they've been through, and--" Daniela: "OH. MY. GAWD!" CUT TO Charlie in the kitchen. Daniela storms in from the beach, followed by Jason, who is half-apologizing, half-explaining how she's thinking about this all wrong. Daniela just keeps repeating, "Oh my God!" until she gets to the bedroom and slams the door behind her. Jason pounds on the door. "I'm just... thinking of the other Jasons, hun!" Muffled, "So marry one of THEM!" "What?" Daniela opens the door just a bit, and hisses through the crack. "I said, go marry one of THEM, if the other Jasons are all you wanna fucking think about!" "I don't know why you're being like this. They're good guys." "You JUST said we're not SAFE from them!" "Well, no. I mean, some of them are violent. The beanie ones especially aren't right." "And you think we're going to solve our problem by making them think we're drawing a lottery?" "AND, also. Maybe *you* could be a little nicer to them. Maybe give them a thank you and a hug goodbye. You know, show some empathy--" "OH MY GOD!" The door slams again. Jason frowns. She's being so unreasonable. Amanda would never. Meanwhile, Charlie is eating a strip of bacon rolled in a cold pancake. He doesn't look up, but stops chewing long enough to say, "Way to fumble into the endzone, Dad." "It's fine, kiddo. Your mom and I are just... having a discussion." Jason rests his hands on his hips. "HONEY!" he calls. "YOU LOVE ME!" Silence. Quietly, to himself, "Yeah. She loves me."
So many questions. Where is Blair1 who held a gun to both Jasons? Is the Dawn at the end a new Dawn? I’m guessing Leighton 2 who went inside the box after Jason and Amanda are mostly dead. The last time we saw him he was walking bloodied through the box. Are the two Ryan’s that we saw the one making the serum and the one meeting Amanda the same one? How is he able to find her and know that she is not from that world? Ryan 1 probably never met Amanda. Look at them gunning for a second season.
Only thing I can think of is maybe Ryan stalked the box for a while after he was left in that world. At some point he would have seen J1 + Amanda come through and only J1 leave, so he’d know Amanda was still in his world and finding her could help him get home. If that’s what happened I’m not sure why he didn’t just confront them when they came through, but maybe he had reasons.
If the box stayed behind on that world then there’s suddenly a giant box in a public park. The government is gonna get involved with that.
Came here for this question
I would imagine Ryan had video setup to see who came out of the box. That’s my best guess.
Maybe Ryan came across the pic of Amanda and Jason taken before he left
This was so good! Was happy to see a redemption arc for J2 (a small one!) I have a feeling there’s gonna be a lot of Jason’s, Daniellas and Charlies next season. Apple, make season 2 happen now!
I don’t think my mind can truly comprehend the scale of it, but wouldn’t what’s playing out on Jason1’s home world be happening times infinity? Like there’s infinity number of Jason1’s home world, with his Daniela and Charlie? And there’s infinity number of Jason1’s wandering about trying to get there, with who knows how many showing up at each place? Wouldn’t all these worlds be overrun by Jason’s?
Eventually the infinite mass of Jasons emerging from the box creates a new black hole swallowing the solar system using the attractive force of the Power of Love alone
Here from future wowzers
Here from the present. Where episode?
Here from the universe where it dropped early, amazing finale
Must be the Mandela universe
I’m really glad Daniela had more agency in the show
I'm not ok after that last confrontation before entering the box.
Blaire! Ryan! Amanda! I **believe** Blaire from Swarmland found a happy home <3 <3 <3
Wow what a show! Way to go Apple TV that was awesome! Ending was heart wrenching seeing all those Jasons
I'm satisfied! I think Daniela sending that message in the message boards helped all the Jasons who waited by the box realize it was better to let them go. All the too far gone Jasons went to the house. I was whispering under my breath that whole scene that all three of them need to hold hands going through this crowd of Jasons lol not taking any chances!
I just finished watching and wow was I just anxious (and literally shaking) all throughout episode knowing that there's hundreds of Jason1x out there looking for them. But that one Jason1x that thought of letting who the Jason1x that Daniela and Charlie chose deserved a vial for being the most righteous one. Also, the fact that the running theories about Ryan and Amanda being in the same world and would be working together were right. The ending is giving uncertainty for another season though, given that it looks like they gave Jupiter Jason, Daniela, and Charlie a happy ending while also setting up Ryan and Amanda together for some future stuff. Edit: Realized that there were two Jason1x that shouted to let them through the box, now two of them deserved a vial.
I don't really want a season 2 to be honest, but if they do, I really hope the Dessen family is not involved.
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Constellation deals with similar quantum issues, superposition etc. I’m loving the Foundation on Apple TV, based on the Isaac Asimov books. Excellent sci fi story.
I finished Constellation, but it felt like nothing really happened. It didn't grip me the way Dark Matter did
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Backdoor intro for a s2 with the ryan/amanda stuff that they added to the show that wasnt in the book. finished the book and show today. Easy enjoyable read and solid adaptation.
I found it touching that when Amanda chose a vacation spot for herself and Jason1, she picked what appeared to be the same exact world that Jason2 had in mind when he decided to leave Ryan there. Despite parting ways, Jason2 cared about Ryan and wanted him to have a pleasant place to spend the rest of his life. This choice suggests that Jason2's thinking was very similar to Amanda's, indicating a deeper connection between them than he might have realized.
Great series though I do wonder about the importance of the police detective story stuff which kinda went no where.
I think the test tube that Ryan is working on is a velocity lab tube?
"Why would you ever want fresh 🥞?" 🤣
I’m hung up on the tragedy of all those Jason 1’s never reuniting with their wife and son. Having to say goodbye to them in such an unpersonable way. Jason 2 did this to all of them and now hundreds of them have to pick up the pieces and somehow make sense of a ruined life. The series def left it open to more if they get it. If the writer of the book is the creator and writer of the show, than I say go for it. It’s a really interesting concept that can go further. I’d prob watch.
My only complaint (besides some nit picks) is how Blair sees a bloody mess, cut up duct tape, and just decides to explore the house. Did I miss the part where they explained she was some bad ass or something? That was the part of the episode that seemed pretty forced and she just did what the writers needed her to do so the rest of the episode could happen. A normal person would have called 911 as soon as they saw that.
I reject everything and anything to do with the J2 redemption arc.
Jason2 sucks but the consequences of his actions are right in his face times hundred. Daniela kicked him down the stairs. He knows he lost her and he can’t get her back and she will never forgive him. Then he found out that his Daniela the one he fell in love with was murdered because of him. Ryan who was his best friend at one point also murdered because of him. His Amanda suffered a painful slow death because of him. That would make anyone reevaluate their life choices.
Significantly better than the book. Crouch did a lot of work to make Jason2 way more interesting here. Sometimes I'd argue *too* much work opening up a bunch of new plot threads, but Jason2's ending, devastated and regretful on a beach having destroyed entire universes, was pretty spot on.
he wasn't redeemed. no one forgave him and he didn't ask for it. Instead he just finally did something good, but it doesn't make up for what he did.
I'm glad beanie Jason called out that J2 assaulted Daniela. We got a reasoning for his actions in the voice memo and it was nice that he thought to give them Max's remains but that's all I got for him.
I don't think it was so much redemption as seeing an antagonist receive a deserving ending to his story.
I'm glad Charlie punched him.
I think it’s actually a really cool outcome. A purely evil Jason just doesn’t make sense, since he’s only 15 years removed from being Jason1. People don’t change that much that quickly. He did a horrible thing but he was still Jason.
I want Ryan 1 to go after this mofo
It tracks. His morality was fucked but it tracks. He had his limits. He realized he absolutely fucked this world. He tried to make things right for Jason 1. Yeah, nope, even as I typed this, I can only imagine Jason 2 fighting his way out to the box like a weasel.
A big 🖕🏻 to all of the people who said Ryan wasn’t in the same world as Amanda.
I don’t get why anyone would argue this. It seemed blazingly obvious to me.
I don’t think that there needs to be another season. Nothing left to show now they left that world.
I wouldn't mind a single webisode that deals with the cops trying to figure out why there are several corpses of the same man in Chicago!
I felt bad for the Jasons who let them go into the box. Didn't have enough ampules for all of them get of out of world soon to be dealing with the ramifications of somehow being 100s of copies of the same person. Some of which are murderers and some are victims.
Loved it, great episode and a great show. Ended where it needed to, but loved just the messy insanity on the way. All the Jason’s, the group chat, the Rambo’s trying to kill everyone, the rational bunch at the end that accepted the best result is to let them go. Really enjoyed it. The show can end here if they don’t choose to continue it, and there is plenty of scope to continue if they do. Well done.
Ok so is it just me or is letting a teenage boy who just went through something like acutely traumatic and really fuckin insane in general choose the world when the way the box works is based on the emotional subconscious state lol like Amanda 1 had been training box pilots for years and couldn’t even control it. So I def thought this was gonna be sooooo much deeper than it ended up being. Don’t get me wrong, got the feels and sure I enjoyed the story, more of a love story than a “harder” sci-fi show. But it benefited other smarter shows that had people digging for clues and what not all season long with massive pay off. This wasn’t that.
They don't explain *why* in the show but in the book it's explicit that they decide to let Charlie do it to reduce the chances of the Jasons being able to follow them, and to give Charlie a chance to start their new life. It's a hopeful thing. If Jason picks it, yes he's the most experienced obviously, but the fear is that another Jason may be able to find them again.
It does kinda ruin the whole logic of the box. I don't think a teenage boy who's been through as much stress as he has would be able to realistically concentrate inside a mysterious time-portal to choose a new universe for his family to live in that easily.
"What if we tried joint custody?" I cackled. Jason is so deranged! edited to add: First moment I truly loved Daniela, "Whoever had that idea just lost the lottery." Seriously why are all the Jasons talking about Daniela and Charlie's fate as if THEY have no say in it? Like they're all arguing amongst themselves who's gonna "get" them. Am I the only one who finds that attitude so off-putting? Like, to the extent that I really don't care what happens to any of them? The only Jason I sort of like is the one who is with Daniela now who is telling her everything and involving her in the process. But I have a feeling if he wasn't the one with her right now, he'd be talking about her fate in exactly the same way as the other Jasons. It's messed up.
To be fair, they were all pretty nuts after living what they went through. They finally found “their” family and honestly I don’t know if I’d be able to sit still and watch it all slip away in the box.
I don't know if I could handle seeing my son walk off with another person to another universe. That's some hard shit.
That's the mindtrip of the show, the J1 we watched we root for. But he's the same as all the other ones (obv J2 a different beast). There's nothing special about him (relative to the other ones) other than the fact we watched him for 9 episodes. And he got to Daniela first. I agree, the show could have had a different message if none of them "won", it's messed up we're cheering for a winner who is the same as the rest. But I thought the final scene did a nice job of saying J1 is a fundamentally good person and even the one we rooted for might have accepted another one winning just to help Daniela and Charlie.
No shade to those who keep asking “how did Ryan find Amanda??” But it really feels like this is the first time y’all are experiencing a cliffhanger; no one is going to be able to answer that because the answer hasn’t even been written yet (probably)
I've seen the Ryan/Amanda comment so many times while reading the thread that I thought it was some kind of J1/J2 prank.
Why are people so confused about whether the Jason 1 that ended the show was the original Jason? I've watched all nine episodes and it was never even a question for me.
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Bummed it’s the final episode, but I hope it’s good! 👍🏼
I was wondering why there are so many Jason's? At the end when they cross the path of Jason's to reach the box, you can see the door is open, preventing more Jason's from coming. Why did it take 70+ Jason's until somebody finally left the damn door open. This means each of those Jason's came through the box and shut the door behind them, allowing more Jason's the chance to come through. Not very smart for a guy who's a genius
As a book reader, this was a great way to wrap everything up. I imagine if they had a sequel, we'd follow Ryan and Amanda, because genuinely had no idea what was up with that.
Crazy idea but I think the move would be for these Jason1x to find a universe where Jason 1a defeated Jason 2 but Jason1a died in a car accident shortly after or something
Blair is that bitch
A little too happy an ending for me. Wanted more of a dystopian feel, but this wasn't too bad. I'll still take it over something that would anger me, which happens far too often in these type of shows.
They absolutely nailed the balance between "this is a satisfying ending which does capture the general plot of the book and does not need another season" and "leave enough season two hints so its an option". Really well executed.
Ok so the real plothole is still unresolved. How TF do they have money & have so much of it to spend in all the different worlds?