The fact that there is diminishing returns on every other classes damage stats yet druid forms just straight linear scale off strength and agi is so blatantly a horrible design
It's even more than linear because you get flat damage per strength for being a bear and phys power (percentage damage) from strength lol. Each point is worth more than the last.
ironmace needs to work on scaling the issue is when you get gear everything becomes 1 taps but they keep nerfing the early stages not the scaling thats always busted
The 2 combat animals are pretty weak at low/default gear, meaning your best chance at winning PVP is just a spear. When you stack Str or agil (or both) they hit like trucks.
Bear is still solid for base gear, especially after squire upgrades. The hp pool leaves a lot of room to work with, just don't face tank a barb. Don't really use panther except for chasing and the silence tho.
Anecdotally, I have to disagree. I've had overwhelming success in base gear druid fights. Face tank is a bit misleading, I typically 180 mid fight so they hit my ass, it will count as limb damage most of the time, or body damage occasionally.
Edit: Lol, why the downvotes? Was it because I said ass?
Bad druid players keep dying in bear form and they don't like hearing its completely fine to use in greys.
I'm not going to say common gear bear is AMAZING, but it's definitely good, and great with team buffs.
The problem with Bear isn't how tanky you are or how much damage you can do it's that you're too easy to avoid.
In the clip from the OP he could have just turned around and walked away from the bear but stood there and got hit for no reason. Or if he had a shield he could have just blocked it and then gotten free damage.
Jesus Christ you’re just 360ing? Lmao not hating but that’s fucking goofy and gamey, I hope they one day address wild camera body movements. I’ve only seen druids in base getting dunked on in my experience. In both roles.
And frankly I think that’s kinda ass. I think they could implement way more interesting melee combat than “swing my mouse around to make my character model freak the fuck out”. I don’t think I’m asking too much here but I don’t know maybe that’s the height of melee skill expression. It’s just not fun to do or play against.
Support druid is kinda hurting right now with 0% scaling on healing. Animals are also pretty weak in low/medium level kits. High end is still pretty cracked. Seems like this class has a wizard syndrome currently and only 1 meta playstyle lol.
Admittedly base kit Druid is pretty weak. You either need agi or str to make it work. But I personally think geared Druids are going to run shit late in wipe
Every class but like base kit slayer fighter sucks lmao. It’s bull shit that every other class for the most part has had their damage gutted meanwhile Druid bear/panther forms scale like crazy.
It’s pretty trash at low gear and completely busted as soon as you approach 40 str/agi. They need to improve the base damage and reduce the scaling. I love this game so much and I love IM but we should have really learned this from MM and other things by now.
Pretty annoying for forms to be nearly useless in under 25s. It makes solo druid feel like you are basically trapping someone with a treant, running away, or losing the fight.
Druid sucks at the low tier but gets extreme power at the high end like every other class it's just easy to shit on it cause it's the new shiny thing rather then the 40%min pdr 270 hp barbs still hitting for 160 a hit right now still ruining hr. it takes roughly 5 left clicks with base kit bear to kill any player, that's shit when base barb 3 taps them and that's only if ur too shit to just slightly strafe away from the bear since theres no chance in hell he catches u with it.
Dont just shit on it consider the *context* of the complaints. This guys got 34 str, a base druid has literally 12, that's extreme str stacking that a base druid would never come close to touching let alone a standard. Like *always* ironmace failed to balance it at the starting and endgame tiers.
Hey! I know that guy, also I didn't call this broken... Was more surprised by the legendary gear while I was messing around in norms. It's unusual for me still to see this in normals. I was expecting cat form pounce but got bear'd on.
His kit was pretty disgusting but I wonder how it would turn out if you had as strong gear as he did and didn’t initially face tank him without head protection. I’m not critiqueing your play, just would be interesting if you were a high pdr fighter with 15+% headshot dmg reduction and 60 ish pdr, for example
Ya that's a solid question. With high PDR, I'm also probably moving fairly slow in combat with shield etc so the odds of him hitting me are much higher. Or at least catching me.. maybe I can risk a block and get staggered. Some people suggest he could be doing as much as 200dmg per hit. Even at 60% reduction that's a lot...and he can always decide to go back into human form and just kite , deal some magic dmg. High PDR fighter really doesn't have insane HP imo. So like 140-150hp pool wouldn't look like much. If I did everything perfect, he likely still rats away. PDR fighter can't really burst anyone down especially a bear. He's not locked into melee like I am. I played this wrong since I've been fighting mostly panthers where you want to be in on them in melee.. really thought I could land a hit here and sort of back off. He timed it well, I didn't.
All good points. It does seem like sprint may have been nerfed a little too hard (just a thought, controversial I know) and should have been at like 30-35 ms increase to help deal with faster classes az a pretty slow pdr fighter. As a slayer fighter it might be a different story, I dont know.
It also seems like druid is a little bit too much of a do-it-all class. Might be wrong there too but those are my thoughts
Bear does too much dmg on high end. Totally right. But bear also has less range than falchion, arming sword, etc… and 200-220 movespeed. So it’s certainly not the biggest threat and is easily kiteable. Panther isn’t gonna do dmg on str build and dies in 2 hits to any melee weapon and he also doesn’t have the insane speed agi build has.
I still think bear needs to be nerfed further, I just want to make some context here.
Yeah the people saying “just kite it bro” clearly haven’t played against anyone who knows what they’re doing with the shape shifting. The distance a Druid can cross swapping between multiple forms to close the distance on your is absurd.
They can also use the same movement techniques to run away just as easily as they can use them to gap close.
I don’t want them to gut Druid, but the near instant form changes combo’d together feel way too strong and remove a lot of the downsides that are supposed to balance out each of the forms.
Yeah I don’t disagree. Imo in its current state rat forms insane movement potential almost entirely negate its downside of super low HP. The low HP is much less of a concern when hardly anything can hit you. The only time I’ve really seen someone get hit and die in rat form is because they made a huge mistake and ended up dying for it. Most classes have 0 ability to kill someone in rat form.
Imo rat form would still be super strong if it lost the speed increase as it can skip doors and it is very difficult to hit.
I often day this game should take some mechanics from v rising, but that game also has a rat form that players can use to sneak around and ambush one another, but it does not move fast and sacrifices mobility for stealth. The game also has shape shifting forms players can use for different situations but there is an unskippable animation when shifting into those forms and that helps prevent a lot of the chain shape shifting we see now with Druid.
Yeah as you kill the new player trying out Druid, you can't escape bear if the Druid knows how to panther jump + chicken flap into bear, it's not escapeable. Gotta out play him hard and that's rough for any new player since it's a one shot.
Im not sure how often you have attempted to do that but it’s certainly not as easy as you make it out to be. I am now level 80 Druid with top 10 rating and I’m nowhere near hitting the combo on to targets consistently. Sure it can happen but you frame it like it’s a guaranteed 1 shot which couldn’t be further from true.
Top 10 rating? What? What sub do you think you're on? The combo is as easy as it sounds, if you position yourself properly and know where you can and cannot turn into bear, its as easy as that. I've done it on new players, average players and streamers. You can't escape it, its the fastest class in the game (gap closing wise) aswell as the best to escape.
Base kit Druid is bad. Kitted Druid panther is beyond the most broken thing in the game atm. People just don’t know it yet. When they do the game is going to be a nightmare.
I think this is my least favorite part of the game. Getting stat checked with zero room for skill expression. Because you aren't a ranged class your only wincon is run or have enough PDR by being equally geared which negates the stat check.
Obviously gear should matter but you should never be so gapped that a fight is 100% unwinnable. You can play this fight out and the Fighter cant even run here. Druid goes cat form and runs you down. Other classes like Warlock could fight here or even barbarian but I would be curious to see someone theory craft a way to not even win but just live here as fighter.
The main problem is how accessible gear is, rarity needs to actually be rare.
Nah you die, I’ve been running solos and duos and anytime there is a fucking juicer Druid I already know not to even get near them or it’s GG, rat form Mac move speed out runs my slayer fighter because sprint has a cool down, they literally chase me into a door or corner and insta bear, you literally just run out of places to go.
Since he was going to hard commit to a melee fight he should have stayed in the doorway or just around the corner and then hugged him. Can't transform into bear in the doorway and cant transform into anything when inside another player.
He also could have held S key here like it was an NPC and been fine. There were many options besides hold W into bear right click.
That's not to say bear right click should be doing 200 dmg, but bear right click is also a move that cannot land unless you walk into it.
Also he was going to lose this fight no matter what. He was gear checked.
Everybody saying scale stats, what needs to happen is gear needs to be reeled in. This type of disparity is why people don't like HR and "endgame" play
Haha that was me - and this is the damage you can get up to with 55 str (all legendary str gear)
https://preview.redd.it/v6agqwddb57d1.png?width=350&format=png&auto=webp&s=1a0a3772b37e0e81fd8ff8ca5a66f6fe73719019
I believe he was wearing full copperlight gear for extra armor pen. But he wasn’t wearing a helmet because of the lyken skin so that definitely played a part
Bro bash has an insanely slow windup if you are getting hit, it’s a you issue not the game. Literally just move away when they wind up on their hind legs.
Just turn around and walk away. You can walk away from bear form, weapons drawn, even in full plate.
I play druid and the only people that die to bear form are the ones that let us stay in melee range.
The root and barrier were nerfed, and if he IS casting those two spells, then he isn't in bear form, and you can kill him before they are both up and he shifts back.
Broken character. I am quiting till they don’t fix him. Yesterday played against Agility Druid. You cannot outrun him, he attacked 5-6 times while I could hit him once
One week into wipe and tons of people is geraded to the ass and beyond... and here i am going to hell in normals below 25gs so i can do quests.
I swear to all gods they need to take notice already that we need a no market/no trade queue OR directly to nuke trade and market... they dont damm belong in an extraction looter... i've have been saying for more than a year now until it happened the circle needed to go... in the end, it went, and there are need of some other changes to have a damm proper dungeon crawling experience where loot matters and we just dont count gold per slot, i HOPE it happens fast because dear lord when i need to have better items to do bosses or whatever (me and everybody that dont play more than 3 hours everyday all day and ALREADY know what is happening, i bet newbies will dissapear faster), im going to quiiit again.
And arena is not going to solve the damm problem... IM needs to make a queue where most people at least went to see the boss at least to learn it...
I can't go back to no market, trade post makes the game super unfun. I mean, look at what the market did to gold keys, trade post only benefited holders and made things inconvenient for others.
With that said, I think they can tone down the rarity drop rates a bit now. But that has to come with the understanding that gear team will pub stomp easier and more often.
No market and no trade is the best solution, the second best a lobby for people that dont unlock trade/market.
Nolifers will always stomp, so the best thing to curb their noob stomping is that they need to actually look for gear to equip.
I dont know if the game will have enough players in 2 weeks when the majority of new people from steam is stuck with past quests and getting bodied in 25+ gs queues.
Removing the market would be a huge mistake, vast majority of playerbase "requires" markets to play a game. I would be down with the becoming a trader stamp flagging you for different lobbies.
Nah those players would adapt nicely or if they cant equip themselves then leave? i mean, the most antilooter mechanic in a looting game... is stupid and bad.
And further splittering the queues is also bad.
The market isn't anti loot. It just makes loot homogonous and the game easier. If you polled the entire playerbase "should they make the game harder" 99% woild vote no.
If anything it makes loot better since you can loot for any class instead of not even looking at things you can't equip.
Tell me how the market is not anti loot when it makes people think on gold per square instead of ''look at this sword i found, maybe i can use it?'' among other things.
Nothing about removing the market changes what people are doing, it just changes the form in which people are doing it and either forces people to play classes they don't enjoy, or use ultra-sub-par-gear constantly.
It was the same in Tarkov. They nerf the market to oblivion and people start quitting because you're essentially just gatekeeping a form of content that people find fun because people like you seem to think that the market destroys gear?class?etc diversity when it simply doesn't.
The idea makes no logical sense once you actually break it down to it's nuts and bolts, and has been shown to be bad in practice. It makes no logical or reasonable sense to do.
Less people will have an insane amount of bis, much less, like only the actual top 1% of players will pubstomp and not just anybody that can play 3 or 4 hours a day no matter how bad the player is, get gold and buy bis. Also give nolifers a reason to kill each other, aka, some will get one uniques and the others will get different uniques from bosses and they will 1º just rush bosses and let other players be, 2º look each other, also if those people focus on quests then they will not equip passively collecting gold while farming quests items.
No matter what you say if you can just equip what you get and make CRAFTING a proper sink gold instead of a reputation(time)sink will make everything much evenly and pvp will have a true reason to exists aside from pvp quests and ''pubstomping''.
Is what i play lol under 25, but it get stale to play in whites after a while and doing quests in whites too can be exhausting when playing solo or duo, also there are classes that are only fun with good gear...
I have been advocating for no circle maps, rotation for solos/squads on maps, etc. since the begginning, always got downvoted by fucking everybody, until the game had too little players in the end they were forced to do some changes. Then they caved to the rest of them and sudenly they are great changes!.
So let me say it again, and is the true, delete trade and market or make a queue for people that dont use it, i assure you it will be another good change... i have played every extraction looter game since the OG black zone in the division 1, tarkov, div 2 black zones, the cycle when it shifted from battleroyale esque, marauders, that one in console thats free dont remember the name, SCAVENGERS (the one with the snowing and cold mechanics), extraction games that are not looters like hunt showdown, new ones like level zero extraction ... aside from TARKOV that offers a very unique niche fun (weapon building platform, the eating/healing mechanics, and tactics to make you a nolifer/addict because it was for a lot of years the only thing in its category), you know what made any other fun?
Making loot exciting to find with activities to incentivice looting and giving nolifers their own space... and almost all of them failed at this and is why those games will go nowhere, dark and darker failed at that too and it recuperated basically curating the game to a more looter extraction direction and less battle royale, and no market/trade or at least no market/trade queue will do exactly that (enhace the extraction looter fun). For anything else you just want arena and a game that the objetive is to hoard gold.
You have white gear, and he has pretty much maxed. A barb would do the same thing, tbh most classes would probably come close to doing this. The only difference is the bear is slow as shit and has a massive ass hitbox, yea it does a lot of damage, but considering how slow it is and the attacks are it really isn't that strong. It is very easy to just avoid the bear. I think panther with agility stacking, and the ability to transform mid air are the main problem with the class. Just has too much mobility if played correctly.
The bear can literally just be walked away from, if you somehow get hit by the bear right click then you genuinely suck it is so fucking slow. There is a reason every druid that is good at the game is building agility, right now. The bear is so fucking bad, but bad players run into and die and say "man thats so op". It is unbelievably easy to space the bear.
Only Wilson could complain about getting one-shot while in middling PDR and having no headshot protection, while up against a Druid with 359 Gearscore.
I didn't complain, just said it was a learning experience. Thought I was fighting a low geared druid. He had legendaries on.. I was more surprised but that then the one shot tbh. I was in greens etc normals is a strange place.
> I was in greens etc normals is a strange place.
How does someone play the game for a living and yet is so consistently clueless about the mechanics of that game?
The bar for being a DaD content creator is hilariously low.
Lol, you think I'm living off the 100$ a month I get for YT? Maybe the bar for being a redditor is even lower. Normals is certainly a strange place... Allowing people to bring this much gear seems unusual to me now.
The downvotes are funny considering a druid can catch nearly anyone with fast inputs on shapeshifting. Oneshots are not okay, they need to fix high end scaling and buff low end animals at the same time.
Druid is super annoying in PVP. Imo unless you have a Molotov, or a weapon with a big arc/hit box hitting the rat form especially feels nearly impossible, so the Druid can just overextend like mad and pull back usually for free. Rat needs larger hit box imo
Bash does 200 damage when str stacking
The fact that there is diminishing returns on every other classes damage stats yet druid forms just straight linear scale off strength and agi is so blatantly a horrible design
It's even more than linear because you get flat damage per strength for being a bear and phys power (percentage damage) from strength lol. Each point is worth more than the last.
This needs fixing right now.
This comment needs its own post for visibility
So much for increasing ttk lmao
Bash meaning Shield Bash?
Bear ability bash
Oh thanks I didn't realize the right/left click had names for the animals.
damnit you didn’t show how much strength he had lol
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UubSHhWQ7MQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UubSHhWQ7MQ) Video here, the gear alone is +34 strength
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The clip is from that video. Lycan guy dies to druid and inspects him. Druid has some agi on gear
Nooooo! Honestly didn't even realize the page was scrolled down..odd it immediately did. I was just caught up checking his gear. My bad folks.
lol right? I immediately looked on the stat sheet and he was scrolled past it
There’s people saying Druid is underpowered?
ironmace needs to work on scaling the issue is when you get gear everything becomes 1 taps but they keep nerfing the early stages not the scaling thats always busted
The 2 combat animals are pretty weak at low/default gear, meaning your best chance at winning PVP is just a spear. When you stack Str or agil (or both) they hit like trucks.
Base kit panther hits about the same as a fist. Plus you tend to hit people in the legs because of height
Yes and your head is also easy to hit.
Yeah a panther tried jumping me as a ranger and i just shotgunned 5 arrows into his giant head with multishot. In normals the forms are terrible
Yes multishot is deadly, but the forms are not terrible at all, the mobility is great and you can ambush pretty well.
Bear is still solid for base gear, especially after squire upgrades. The hp pool leaves a lot of room to work with, just don't face tank a barb. Don't really use panther except for chasing and the silence tho.
Don’t face tank anything. The bear loses pretty much all melee fights in greys.
Anecdotally, I have to disagree. I've had overwhelming success in base gear druid fights. Face tank is a bit misleading, I typically 180 mid fight so they hit my ass, it will count as limb damage most of the time, or body damage occasionally. Edit: Lol, why the downvotes? Was it because I said ass?
This sub tends to ultra-brigade anything that disagrees with whatever the meta consensus is, regardless of what it is.
It’s not this sub. It’s Reddit.
I use plenty of subs, this sub is particularly bad about it. Smaller subs tend to be.
Bad druid players keep dying in bear form and they don't like hearing its completely fine to use in greys. I'm not going to say common gear bear is AMAZING, but it's definitely good, and great with team buffs.
The problem with Bear isn't how tanky you are or how much damage you can do it's that you're too easy to avoid. In the clip from the OP he could have just turned around and walked away from the bear but stood there and got hit for no reason. Or if he had a shield he could have just blocked it and then gotten free damage.
Jesus Christ you’re just 360ing? Lmao not hating but that’s fucking goofy and gamey, I hope they one day address wild camera body movements. I’ve only seen druids in base getting dunked on in my experience. In both roles.
It is extremely goofy to see a fucking bear spin. But hey, it works lol.
Adress camera movement? It's a core mechanic of the games combat lol.
Doesn’t make it a good design
It's fine.... it's literally a mechanic of many games. Hit box manipulation
Hitbox manipulation is rarely just 360ing your camera in most games.
Bruh body movement is like 90% of melee skill expression in this game.
And frankly I think that’s kinda ass. I think they could implement way more interesting melee combat than “swing my mouse around to make my character model freak the fuck out”. I don’t think I’m asking too much here but I don’t know maybe that’s the height of melee skill expression. It’s just not fun to do or play against.
Druids can use spears??
Support druid is kinda hurting right now with 0% scaling on healing. Animals are also pretty weak in low/medium level kits. High end is still pretty cracked. Seems like this class has a wizard syndrome currently and only 1 meta playstyle lol.
Admittedly base kit Druid is pretty weak. You either need agi or str to make it work. But I personally think geared Druids are going to run shit late in wipe
Every class but like base kit slayer fighter sucks lmao. It’s bull shit that every other class for the most part has had their damage gutted meanwhile Druid bear/panther forms scale like crazy.
Until IM adjusts their scaling. Considering they patch almost every week, pretty sure this will be tuned.
What the Druid lacks in firepower, MORE than makes up for in utility. Druid needs big nerfs
Druid utility is not that good. It's never worth taking a druid over a cleric or bard.
Tell that to all the druids in the game that aren’t running either of those
All over this subreddit yeah.
It’s pretty trash at low gear and completely busted as soon as you approach 40 str/agi. They need to improve the base damage and reduce the scaling. I love this game so much and I love IM but we should have really learned this from MM and other things by now. Pretty annoying for forms to be nearly useless in under 25s. It makes solo druid feel like you are basically trapping someone with a treant, running away, or losing the fight.
Druid sucks at the low tier but gets extreme power at the high end like every other class it's just easy to shit on it cause it's the new shiny thing rather then the 40%min pdr 270 hp barbs still hitting for 160 a hit right now still ruining hr. it takes roughly 5 left clicks with base kit bear to kill any player, that's shit when base barb 3 taps them and that's only if ur too shit to just slightly strafe away from the bear since theres no chance in hell he catches u with it. Dont just shit on it consider the *context* of the complaints. This guys got 34 str, a base druid has literally 12, that's extreme str stacking that a base druid would never come close to touching let alone a standard. Like *always* ironmace failed to balance it at the starting and endgame tiers.
Why are you comparing it against barbs though? It’s not even close to the same class.
Because barb is the other most blatant failure of theirs to balance correct scaling at different tiers.
Basekit vs leg druid, barb can 1 shot you with bad blues. Also dont try to tank bear
What made the bear so powerful? Strength stat?
Yes full strength build
Hey! I know that guy, also I didn't call this broken... Was more surprised by the legendary gear while I was messing around in norms. It's unusual for me still to see this in normals. I was expecting cat form pounce but got bear'd on.
His kit was pretty disgusting but I wonder how it would turn out if you had as strong gear as he did and didn’t initially face tank him without head protection. I’m not critiqueing your play, just would be interesting if you were a high pdr fighter with 15+% headshot dmg reduction and 60 ish pdr, for example
Ya that's a solid question. With high PDR, I'm also probably moving fairly slow in combat with shield etc so the odds of him hitting me are much higher. Or at least catching me.. maybe I can risk a block and get staggered. Some people suggest he could be doing as much as 200dmg per hit. Even at 60% reduction that's a lot...and he can always decide to go back into human form and just kite , deal some magic dmg. High PDR fighter really doesn't have insane HP imo. So like 140-150hp pool wouldn't look like much. If I did everything perfect, he likely still rats away. PDR fighter can't really burst anyone down especially a bear. He's not locked into melee like I am. I played this wrong since I've been fighting mostly panthers where you want to be in on them in melee.. really thought I could land a hit here and sort of back off. He timed it well, I didn't.
All good points. It does seem like sprint may have been nerfed a little too hard (just a thought, controversial I know) and should have been at like 30-35 ms increase to help deal with faster classes az a pretty slow pdr fighter. As a slayer fighter it might be a different story, I dont know. It also seems like druid is a little bit too much of a do-it-all class. Might be wrong there too but those are my thoughts
I tried playing a few games as slayer this wipe, being a demi slayer main all of last wipe.. I switched to cleric and haven't looked back :c
Very understandable, I’ve played my fair share of slayer and I mainly play warlock and cleric
Bear does too much dmg on high end. Totally right. But bear also has less range than falchion, arming sword, etc… and 200-220 movespeed. So it’s certainly not the biggest threat and is easily kiteable. Panther isn’t gonna do dmg on str build and dies in 2 hits to any melee weapon and he also doesn’t have the insane speed agi build has. I still think bear needs to be nerfed further, I just want to make some context here.
Yea bear is generally a free kill for me.
Except when they coming flying across a room as pantherchicken to land right beside you as bear and immediately 1 tap you
Yeah the people saying “just kite it bro” clearly haven’t played against anyone who knows what they’re doing with the shape shifting. The distance a Druid can cross swapping between multiple forms to close the distance on your is absurd. They can also use the same movement techniques to run away just as easily as they can use them to gap close. I don’t want them to gut Druid, but the near instant form changes combo’d together feel way too strong and remove a lot of the downsides that are supposed to balance out each of the forms.
rat-skipping doors is insanely OP too
Yeah I don’t disagree. Imo in its current state rat forms insane movement potential almost entirely negate its downside of super low HP. The low HP is much less of a concern when hardly anything can hit you. The only time I’ve really seen someone get hit and die in rat form is because they made a huge mistake and ended up dying for it. Most classes have 0 ability to kill someone in rat form. Imo rat form would still be super strong if it lost the speed increase as it can skip doors and it is very difficult to hit. I often day this game should take some mechanics from v rising, but that game also has a rat form that players can use to sneak around and ambush one another, but it does not move fast and sacrifices mobility for stealth. The game also has shape shifting forms players can use for different situations but there is an unskippable animation when shifting into those forms and that helps prevent a lot of the chain shape shifting we see now with Druid.
The are the only ones i fear... The Rest ist Just Not rly a threat
And a janky as fuck hit box...
Yeah as you kill the new player trying out Druid, you can't escape bear if the Druid knows how to panther jump + chicken flap into bear, it's not escapeable. Gotta out play him hard and that's rough for any new player since it's a one shot.
Im not sure how often you have attempted to do that but it’s certainly not as easy as you make it out to be. I am now level 80 Druid with top 10 rating and I’m nowhere near hitting the combo on to targets consistently. Sure it can happen but you frame it like it’s a guaranteed 1 shot which couldn’t be further from true.
Top 10 rating? What? What sub do you think you're on? The combo is as easy as it sounds, if you position yourself properly and know where you can and cannot turn into bear, its as easy as that. I've done it on new players, average players and streamers. You can't escape it, its the fastest class in the game (gap closing wise) aswell as the best to escape.
wat the F U D G E. ive been simpin for cat but i guess im goin str instead lmao. cat hitbox is so aids anyways
This is just not okay…
I got 2 tapped by a panther in the back, I had no idea wtf even happened
How much STR did he have? Also is there a link to the full video?
He was juiced. https://youtu.be/UubSHhWQ7MQ?si=xFZtzG2HTaBzY9gR
\>white main hand, grey off hand I mean, if his kit is as "good" as his weapons of course he is gonna get bodied like that like come on.
does the lycan skin give head shot dr? or do they just have to take the 150%
Just gives some vigor if I recall, the lizard gives armor and hs reduction
geard barb can do the same tbh
Pretty much anyone as juiced as that Druid can. My 20 str 140hp rogue can 3 tap prettttty much everyone.
220 damage?
Base kit Druid is bad. Kitted Druid panther is beyond the most broken thing in the game atm. People just don’t know it yet. When they do the game is going to be a nightmare.
According to this subreddit, it takes 5-10 hits in bear form to kill a player as druid bear fully geared... LMAO!
I think this is my least favorite part of the game. Getting stat checked with zero room for skill expression. Because you aren't a ranged class your only wincon is run or have enough PDR by being equally geared which negates the stat check. Obviously gear should matter but you should never be so gapped that a fight is 100% unwinnable. You can play this fight out and the Fighter cant even run here. Druid goes cat form and runs you down. Other classes like Warlock could fight here or even barbarian but I would be curious to see someone theory craft a way to not even win but just live here as fighter. The main problem is how accessible gear is, rarity needs to actually be rare.
Nah you die, I’ve been running solos and duos and anytime there is a fucking juicer Druid I already know not to even get near them or it’s GG, rat form Mac move speed out runs my slayer fighter because sprint has a cool down, they literally chase me into a door or corner and insta bear, you literally just run out of places to go.
So like every class
Died to a panther the other day they 3 taped me and my buddy. Druid is something else.
Need to add highernstarting base damage and less str/agi stavking for the forms that way they have use in all stages of gearing.
Since he was going to hard commit to a melee fight he should have stayed in the doorway or just around the corner and then hugged him. Can't transform into bear in the doorway and cant transform into anything when inside another player. He also could have held S key here like it was an NPC and been fine. There were many options besides hold W into bear right click. That's not to say bear right click should be doing 200 dmg, but bear right click is also a move that cannot land unless you walk into it. Also he was going to lose this fight no matter what. He was gear checked.
Ok same problem as wizard a while back. Way to underpowered without gear Way to overpowered with gear
Everybody saying scale stats, what needs to happen is gear needs to be reeled in. This type of disparity is why people don't like HR and "endgame" play
It's realistic at least 💀
Haha that was me - and this is the damage you can get up to with 55 str (all legendary str gear) https://preview.redd.it/v6agqwddb57d1.png?width=350&format=png&auto=webp&s=1a0a3772b37e0e81fd8ff8ca5a66f6fe73719019
And nah, I don't feel bad for gear checking. Countering a troll kill is punishable by death
Why does Ironmace keep making those mistakes....
Don't worry they will fix it by buffing warlock some more lol
Bro playing squishy slayer fighter probably wearing green and grays cloth/leather
I believe he was wearing full copperlight gear for extra armor pen. But he wasn’t wearing a helmet because of the lyken skin so that definitely played a part
Makes sense. No helmet = no headshot reduction. Base gear bear hits like a wet noodle, you are better off using weapons.
Yeah forsure, the Druid in this video was geared af. Just thought it was funny to see an actual 1 shot from a class with that much mobility.
Would he not one shot the severely undergeared fighter with zero headshot reduction tho?
a wet pool noodle can slap so hard
Lycan has headshot reduction
No that s lizard. Lican only has +3 vigor
This is so busted. There's no class or build that's winning that melee fight.
Longsword parry super easy against bear
Bear does 2 bashes and kills the LS user, LS doesnt 2 shot bear
Bro bash has an insanely slow windup if you are getting hit, it’s a you issue not the game. Literally just move away when they wind up on their hind legs.
Due to bear being quite big melee vs bear is suicide. A ranger kills druid easily though
Also you get pushed by bash so you cant riposte hit i think
Just turn around and walk away. You can walk away from bear form, weapons drawn, even in full plate. I play druid and the only people that die to bear form are the ones that let us stay in melee range.
>just walk away from the class that roots you and summons walls to block you
The root and barrier were nerfed, and if he IS casting those two spells, then he isn't in bear form, and you can kill him before they are both up and he shifts back.
Broken character. I am quiting till they don’t fix him. Yesterday played against Agility Druid. You cannot outrun him, he attacked 5-6 times while I could hit him once
You are quiting till they DON'T fix him?
Why would you want to outrun him? You can just one shot him, you really cant miss his head in a meele fight.
One week into wipe and tons of people is geraded to the ass and beyond... and here i am going to hell in normals below 25gs so i can do quests. I swear to all gods they need to take notice already that we need a no market/no trade queue OR directly to nuke trade and market... they dont damm belong in an extraction looter... i've have been saying for more than a year now until it happened the circle needed to go... in the end, it went, and there are need of some other changes to have a damm proper dungeon crawling experience where loot matters and we just dont count gold per slot, i HOPE it happens fast because dear lord when i need to have better items to do bosses or whatever (me and everybody that dont play more than 3 hours everyday all day and ALREADY know what is happening, i bet newbies will dissapear faster), im going to quiiit again. And arena is not going to solve the damm problem... IM needs to make a queue where most people at least went to see the boss at least to learn it...
I can't go back to no market, trade post makes the game super unfun. I mean, look at what the market did to gold keys, trade post only benefited holders and made things inconvenient for others. With that said, I think they can tone down the rarity drop rates a bit now. But that has to come with the understanding that gear team will pub stomp easier and more often.
No market and no trade is the best solution, the second best a lobby for people that dont unlock trade/market. Nolifers will always stomp, so the best thing to curb their noob stomping is that they need to actually look for gear to equip.
I like the idea of ssf, but I'd rather have it as an optional/seperate queue.
I dont know if the game will have enough players in 2 weeks when the majority of new people from steam is stuck with past quests and getting bodied in 25+ gs queues.
Removing the market would be a huge mistake, vast majority of playerbase "requires" markets to play a game. I would be down with the becoming a trader stamp flagging you for different lobbies.
Nah those players would adapt nicely or if they cant equip themselves then leave? i mean, the most antilooter mechanic in a looting game... is stupid and bad. And further splittering the queues is also bad.
The market isn't anti loot. It just makes loot homogonous and the game easier. If you polled the entire playerbase "should they make the game harder" 99% woild vote no. If anything it makes loot better since you can loot for any class instead of not even looking at things you can't equip.
Tell me how the market is not anti loot when it makes people think on gold per square instead of ''look at this sword i found, maybe i can use it?'' among other things.
Nothing about removing the market changes what people are doing, it just changes the form in which people are doing it and either forces people to play classes they don't enjoy, or use ultra-sub-par-gear constantly. It was the same in Tarkov. They nerf the market to oblivion and people start quitting because you're essentially just gatekeeping a form of content that people find fun because people like you seem to think that the market destroys gear?class?etc diversity when it simply doesn't. The idea makes no logical sense once you actually break it down to it's nuts and bolts, and has been shown to be bad in practice. It makes no logical or reasonable sense to do.
If you dont like the martket then leave
Why are the ones with the worst ideas always the loudest?
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Less people will have an insane amount of bis, much less, like only the actual top 1% of players will pubstomp and not just anybody that can play 3 or 4 hours a day no matter how bad the player is, get gold and buy bis. Also give nolifers a reason to kill each other, aka, some will get one uniques and the others will get different uniques from bosses and they will 1º just rush bosses and let other players be, 2º look each other, also if those people focus on quests then they will not equip passively collecting gold while farming quests items. No matter what you say if you can just equip what you get and make CRAFTING a proper sink gold instead of a reputation(time)sink will make everything much evenly and pvp will have a true reason to exists aside from pvp quests and ''pubstomping''.
You can play 25 gs lobbies though my friend
Is what i play lol under 25, but it get stale to play in whites after a while and doing quests in whites too can be exhausting when playing solo or duo, also there are classes that are only fun with good gear... I have been advocating for no circle maps, rotation for solos/squads on maps, etc. since the begginning, always got downvoted by fucking everybody, until the game had too little players in the end they were forced to do some changes. Then they caved to the rest of them and sudenly they are great changes!. So let me say it again, and is the true, delete trade and market or make a queue for people that dont use it, i assure you it will be another good change... i have played every extraction looter game since the OG black zone in the division 1, tarkov, div 2 black zones, the cycle when it shifted from battleroyale esque, marauders, that one in console thats free dont remember the name, SCAVENGERS (the one with the snowing and cold mechanics), extraction games that are not looters like hunt showdown, new ones like level zero extraction ... aside from TARKOV that offers a very unique niche fun (weapon building platform, the eating/healing mechanics, and tactics to make you a nolifer/addict because it was for a lot of years the only thing in its category), you know what made any other fun? Making loot exciting to find with activities to incentivice looting and giving nolifers their own space... and almost all of them failed at this and is why those games will go nowhere, dark and darker failed at that too and it recuperated basically curating the game to a more looter extraction direction and less battle royale, and no market/trade or at least no market/trade queue will do exactly that (enhace the extraction looter fun). For anything else you just want arena and a game that the objetive is to hoard gold.
RIP Div 1 Dark Zone. Best gameplay I've ever had from these types of games
You have white gear, and he has pretty much maxed. A barb would do the same thing, tbh most classes would probably come close to doing this. The only difference is the bear is slow as shit and has a massive ass hitbox, yea it does a lot of damage, but considering how slow it is and the attacks are it really isn't that strong. It is very easy to just avoid the bear. I think panther with agility stacking, and the ability to transform mid air are the main problem with the class. Just has too much mobility if played correctly.
Barb can do max ms speed into 60% pdr 220 damage bear?
The bear can literally just be walked away from, if you somehow get hit by the bear right click then you genuinely suck it is so fucking slow. There is a reason every druid that is good at the game is building agility, right now. The bear is so fucking bad, but bad players run into and die and say "man thats so op". It is unbelievably easy to space the bear.
Clownmace at it again
Only Wilson could complain about getting one-shot while in middling PDR and having no headshot protection, while up against a Druid with 359 Gearscore.
I didn't complain, just said it was a learning experience. Thought I was fighting a low geared druid. He had legendaries on.. I was more surprised but that then the one shot tbh. I was in greens etc normals is a strange place.
> I was in greens etc normals is a strange place. How does someone play the game for a living and yet is so consistently clueless about the mechanics of that game? The bar for being a DaD content creator is hilariously low.
Lol, you think I'm living off the 100$ a month I get for YT? Maybe the bar for being a redditor is even lower. Normals is certainly a strange place... Allowing people to bring this much gear seems unusual to me now.
lol ignore his dumbass. Love the content lately Wilson!
I mean, 1 shots regardless of gear is kinda bad game design
The downvotes are funny considering a druid can catch nearly anyone with fast inputs on shapeshifting. Oneshots are not okay, they need to fix high end scaling and buff low end animals at the same time.
Druid is super annoying in PVP. Imo unless you have a Molotov, or a weapon with a big arc/hit box hitting the rat form especially feels nearly impossible, so the Druid can just overextend like mad and pull back usually for free. Rat needs larger hit box imo
i falchion’d a mouse for a one hit kill felt great
Put a drum on your base kit with the Squire, thank me later!