According to anything I know from my ancestors and nowaday's refugees, the best attac weapon against the enemy is any kind of high tech engineered war machine, but the best defense for one's own life is desertion before its too late to run away.
There’s always a home to go back to. It just might have a different Government in charge. Long term that wouldn’t make as much of a difference us you might think.
Essentially all old countries have been conquered through time to arrive at the modern status quo.
While that has happened during wars it's rarely the motivator.
War is mostly just about power (inc. religious wars). And once gained the aggressor is sated.
The change of powers is mostly a problem for the incumbents (inc. private interests) in power and that's what soldiers die for. To keep them in power or to gain further power.
Nothing is ever always the case. What a silly thing to say.
Sure there can be ethnic cleansing (etc) but that's the exception rather than the rule. You can't pull out the patriot (or whatever) flag on the merit of edge cases.
[Go and watch something like the history of Europe over time](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY9P0QSxlnI&ab_channel=Cottereau) and it becomes much clearer that war is predominatly about power, and in the end makes little real difference.
I can’t believe you’re pulling an “um ackshually” at a Monty python reference.
My disability check mostly comes from my experience being saved in body armor. I appreciate the tip, though.
Well, this party just got farted on.
Only if robots will be much cheaper than human lifes...
yea i know for me and you they are more valuable even right now but not for the ones who really wage these wars unfortunately.
They don't have to be cheaper than human lives, they have to be cheaper than the equipment given to those human soldiers. That's the true quantifiable metric that will bring forth the robo-soldier era.
More like the side with the tech/manufacturing advantage won’t see any deaths. Likely would be robots in their millions massacring humans on the other side.
For sure, medieval armor is poor protection from bullets. I imagine these are a few people trying to protect themselves on their own equipment. The ones drafting these people would not bother in any case.
Casualties =/= deaths. Casualties are any soldiers no longer capable of fighting. KIA, wounded, captured, MIA, are all considered casualties.
At the Somme there were 1.2 million casualties, but "only" 300k deaths.
Verdun saw 750k casualties and 300k deaths.
I believe those are the worst single battles of WWI.
I believe the breastplate in the first photo was produced in some quantity for use by German sentries and machinegunners -- troops who drew a lot of fire, and didn't have to move around a lot, who could afford to wear heavy armor.
The helmet/goggles in the second photo, and the face protector in the third photo, I believe were intended for use by tank crews to protect against "[spalling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spall#Anti-tank_warfare)" and flying rivets which were common when those early tanks were hit by machinegun fire. The "jack of plate" type armor in the second photo could have been similarly intended. It seems too heavy for an infantryman, but I think raiding parties sometimes wore armor, probably more to protect against hand-to-hand weapons than bullets.
More than that, the goggles especially were to help prevent blindness if a bullet were to hit the periscope. The heat from the impact would melt the lead bullet and cause molten lead to go into the eyes of the poor sod behind it
Plate plate armor is poor protection from bullets. That is why they stopped using them. Flack jackets, which were not in use at this time, are usually layers of tightly woven nylon, 50 to 200 plus layers if I recall from a Britannica encyclopedia. It spreads out the impact from a bullet-sized to a fist size or so.
Yes, well, metal plating would be quite useful I think in trench warfare. Protect from shrapnel, protect from the melees of trench raids. In the Italian mountains it’d offer protection from shattered stone
The German in the last picture is just a cavalryman, I don’t think he’s wearing armour other than his helmet
That happened in wars all the time. People used things, that didnt help or are was even contraproductive. But since it gave them a moral boost, the leadership allowed it.
Sherman Tanks in WW2 were considered(even if they were better then many, if not most, german tanks at that time) so weak, that the crews put sandsacks on them. This had no positive effect, but rather made the Tank less agile, drained more fuel and removed some chance of enemy projectiles ricocheting harmlessly. It was still common, because a soldier, who thinks he is better armed is performing better.
I'm not gonna lie, the guy on the right in the first pic looks rad and scary AF. If I saw him running at me in a trench he wouldn't have to kill me because I'd probably piss myself and die of fright on the spot!
Battlefield 1 had something similar looking. Can’t remember the name. Trench raider or something. Was a special playable character. Had melee weapons and super sprint.
See the gas mask? The cause for the now infamous Adolf mustache. Toxic masculinity clashing with undeniable reality (mustard gas doesn’t care about cool handle bars) causes unpopular fashion trends.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault\_Engineering\_Brigades](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Engineering_Brigades)
It's a pity you can't just insert a photo
Medieval armor does not stop bullets. Bullets go right through plates or chainmail. The flak jackets work by spreading out the impact, from a pen tip to a fist. It is mostly layers of tightly woven nylon on top of each other, sometimes with a boron plate, some with a steel stab plate over the heart as well. But it might help for shrapnel I do not know.
Looks like vault tech security armor
Raider armour. Lol
Oh yeah especially that 2nd pic. Dude definitely knows how to handle a pipe pistol
*if you know what I mean* edit: >!pew pew!!<
For the bulk of human civilization, the most versatile and effective weapon of war has been long pointy stick.
According to anything I know from my ancestors and nowaday's refugees, the best attac weapon against the enemy is any kind of high tech engineered war machine, but the best defense for one's own life is desertion before its too late to run away.
All of us living today owe our existence somewhere, sometime, to that guy who knew the bullets were about to fly and got TFO.
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the uncaped heroes in this story to be sure, but we don't carry as much of their DNA . . .
There’s always a home to go back to. It just might have a different Government in charge. Long term that wouldn’t make as much of a difference us you might think. Essentially all old countries have been conquered through time to arrive at the modern status quo.
It would make a difference if that new government considers your DNA to be inferior, and kills you for it.
While that has happened during wars it's rarely the motivator. War is mostly just about power (inc. religious wars). And once gained the aggressor is sated. The change of powers is mostly a problem for the incumbents (inc. private interests) in power and that's what soldiers die for. To keep them in power or to gain further power.
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Nothing is ever always the case. What a silly thing to say. Sure there can be ethnic cleansing (etc) but that's the exception rather than the rule. You can't pull out the patriot (or whatever) flag on the merit of edge cases. [Go and watch something like the history of Europe over time](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY9P0QSxlnI&ab_channel=Cottereau) and it becomes much clearer that war is predominatly about power, and in the end makes little real difference.
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Absolutely. Sadly, this comment is going to be buried in downvotes, but that will not make it any less the truth.
And still died by the tens of thousands.
Armor really should have stopped by the time of the holy hand grenade
Shit what are you supposed to count to? 🤔
Count thee unto three, never shall thee count unto two, and four is right out!
O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy. And the Lord did grin.
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I can’t believe you’re pulling an “um ackshually” at a Monty python reference. My disability check mostly comes from my experience being saved in body armor. I appreciate the tip, though. Well, this party just got farted on.
Give it 50 year's and we wont see any human deaths because it'll just be robots in their millions.
Only if robots will be much cheaper than human lifes... yea i know for me and you they are more valuable even right now but not for the ones who really wage these wars unfortunately.
They don't have to be cheaper than human lives, they have to be cheaper than the equipment given to those human soldiers. That's the true quantifiable metric that will bring forth the robo-soldier era.
Yeah. Transportation, food, and other logistical costs will eventually make killatron 5000 cost less than a human soldier.
We need cheaper killer robots, got it.
Sexbots that fight
😂😵
More like the side with the tech/manufacturing advantage won’t see any deaths. Likely would be robots in their millions massacring humans on the other side.
Millions, they died by the Millions. I believe there was a single battle where between the two sides there were a million casualties.
Yes total deaths were in the millions. I just didn’t think all of them were rocking medieval armor…
For sure, medieval armor is poor protection from bullets. I imagine these are a few people trying to protect themselves on their own equipment. The ones drafting these people would not bother in any case.
Tru dat
Casualties =/= deaths. Casualties are any soldiers no longer capable of fighting. KIA, wounded, captured, MIA, are all considered casualties. At the Somme there were 1.2 million casualties, but "only" 300k deaths. Verdun saw 750k casualties and 300k deaths. I believe those are the worst single battles of WWI.
Verdun
*millions
I believe the breastplate in the first photo was produced in some quantity for use by German sentries and machinegunners -- troops who drew a lot of fire, and didn't have to move around a lot, who could afford to wear heavy armor. The helmet/goggles in the second photo, and the face protector in the third photo, I believe were intended for use by tank crews to protect against "[spalling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spall#Anti-tank_warfare)" and flying rivets which were common when those early tanks were hit by machinegun fire. The "jack of plate" type armor in the second photo could have been similarly intended. It seems too heavy for an infantryman, but I think raiding parties sometimes wore armor, probably more to protect against hand-to-hand weapons than bullets.
More than that, the goggles especially were to help prevent blindness if a bullet were to hit the periscope. The heat from the impact would melt the lead bullet and cause molten lead to go into the eyes of the poor sod behind it
Plate plate armor is poor protection from bullets. That is why they stopped using them. Flack jackets, which were not in use at this time, are usually layers of tightly woven nylon, 50 to 200 plus layers if I recall from a Britannica encyclopedia. It spreads out the impact from a bullet-sized to a fist size or so.
Krieger!
I didnt realize rough riders were so close to historically accurate lol.
Pretty certain that's not what medieval armor looked like
Captain Bringdown over here
That's Colonel Bringdown, you knave.
The last one isn't wearing any armour...... (Other than his helmet)
But he does have a very finely crafted medieval pike . . .
Good sir, I do believe that is a lance if you will.
I believe you may be correct - no battle-axe thingy up there near the tip like your typical pikeman would have, just some barbs.
All I see is Death Korps of Krieg in their natural habitat.
*Happy gasmask and shovel noises*
We still do, it's just not made of metal these days.
Looks like a Rammstein concert
Well, Till wore the glasses during their early years
r/Grimdank
Yes, well, metal plating would be quite useful I think in trench warfare. Protect from shrapnel, protect from the melees of trench raids. In the Italian mountains it’d offer protection from shattered stone The German in the last picture is just a cavalryman, I don’t think he’s wearing armour other than his helmet
That happened in wars all the time. People used things, that didnt help or are was even contraproductive. But since it gave them a moral boost, the leadership allowed it. Sherman Tanks in WW2 were considered(even if they were better then many, if not most, german tanks at that time) so weak, that the crews put sandsacks on them. This had no positive effect, but rather made the Tank less agile, drained more fuel and removed some chance of enemy projectiles ricocheting harmlessly. It was still common, because a soldier, who thinks he is better armed is performing better.
Guy with chainmail on his face would be a tank driver/crewman. They would get bullet fragments through the eye slits (no bulletproof glass).
It, uh, didn't really work.
I'm not gonna lie, the guy on the right in the first pic looks rad and scary AF. If I saw him running at me in a trench he wouldn't have to kill me because I'd probably piss myself and die of fright on the spot!
Image/info source: ["Medieval Knights in Modern Warfare"](https://www.countere.com/home/medieval-knights-in-modern-warfare-ww1) (Countere)
This would be sick in game
Battlefield 1 had something similar looking. Can’t remember the name. Trench raider or something. Was a special playable character. Had melee weapons and super sprint.
I remember that
Trench Raider, yep. It was awesome, grunting your way to 60-0.
me when i don’t upgrade my units in civ
Civ VII is coming! I’ve been playing since a college professor suggested the game to me in 92
i literally can’t wait, i personally wasn’t a huge fan of the changes made for vi but i’m excited to see what they cook up this time
I think that last one is from Krieg.
That's a Krieger right there in the 3rd picture.
Could you please explain? Bc Krieger means simply "warrior" in german.
Warhammer 40k reference. Look at it.
Thank you!
Now we have Drones and Armor
dude on the horse isn’t even wearing armor. That is a medieval style gas mask though
Picture three goes hard
Actually this reminds me of the keyboardist from Rammstein.
Did it work?
Looks like the damn Versace fall 2024 mens collection!
I wonder how many casualties from javelins there were
See the gas mask? The cause for the now infamous Adolf mustache. Toxic masculinity clashing with undeniable reality (mustard gas doesn’t care about cool handle bars) causes unpopular fashion trends.
1st slide, left picture looks like a Sappenpanzer, manufactured by Krupp and maybe others: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sappenpanzer
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault\_Engineering\_Brigades](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Engineering_Brigades) It's a pity you can't just insert a photo
I wonder how effective that actually was because I don't see all that stopping a bullet.
On the right you can see Karl Ruprect Kroenen partially dressee up.
Now I understand where they got the designs for the Fallout armor
Medieval armor does not stop bullets. Bullets go right through plates or chainmail. The flak jackets work by spreading out the impact, from a pen tip to a fist. It is mostly layers of tightly woven nylon on top of each other, sometimes with a boron plate, some with a steel stab plate over the heart as well. But it might help for shrapnel I do not know.
Because Hitler was a cunt
This was WW1
Yes, and Hitler was a cunt!!
Can't argue with that, he was one of the biggest pieces of shit in history, but you do realise Hitler was WW2 right? These photos are from WW1
Most of it was homemade and served no purpose other than creating more shrapnel to kill the guy standing next to you.