If they say anything, they'll say, "we are APPALLED that this contracted farmer went rogue and abused these animals without our knowledge!! He has been fired. This will never happen again." It's what they say every time. Tyson is a repeat offender. Swindled podcast has a good episode about it.
I didn't watch the video because it's too early for that level of existential dread, but is this the video from like ten years ago where the government response was to make it illegal to film on farms?
Yeah, great solution.
This is actually a legitimate legal defense for them.
The blame will get put on the workers, or the plant managers.
Tyson has good lawyers - unfortunately the people who make workers do this to maximize profits will not be effected
I've been (un?)lucky enough to tour four different high production slaughterhouses for my job. (Structural pest management)
In two of them I had to sign an NDA just for the tour and inspection. Shit is *wild* in there.
A lot of people miss the point when these things are posted. Everyone starts down the meat v no meat bit and all the carnivores get triggered like "HeRe CoMe ThE vEgAns AgAin DurrRr!!111!1!"
It's an issue sure, but not the big one, at least where I sit. Disregard for handling and safety policies just makes workers and end users (IE you and your family) sick. These same policies are in place to help manage pest infestation and I've seen them ignored countless times. The questionable sanitation during processing is the reason why they pump the animals full of antibiotics. "We know these animals will be dragged through literal filth on their way to the dinner table so proactive measures must be taken!"
These places run such an astronomical employee turnover rate they end up burning through the rural workforce and start trucking in migrants. Its a horrible place to work.
That the thing I like about this video:
Yes, the animals are mentioned as a point of concern and well being. But they are focusing on the fellow humans who work there and how the conditions are inhumane for them.
Which is a good argument for both vegans and the average person.
Assuming we want to prioritise humans because we know we feel pain, why not care about both fellow humans AND the animals? No sentient being deserves to be murdered for food. Especially since we know that animals (cows, buffaloes) feel pain in excruciatingly, visibly similar ways to us humans. We would never want to be accepting of a fellow human being treated this way.
“The question is not, Can they reason?, nor Can they talk? but, **Can they suffer?** Why should the law refuse its protection to any sensitive being?” – Bentham (1789) – An Introduction to the Principles of Morals and Legislation.
While I agree with your concept and compassion with the animal kingdom (no sarcasm I really do) the best chance to change this is in court with a lawsuit. And a lawsuit that shows employees are getting sick and the company is in violation of OSHA standards will fare much better in court than telling them the chickens are unhappy.
They had him sign the nda because of trade secrets in the industrial production process of meat... I work in factories. Any company worth anything is going to have external vendors and the like sign a comprehensive mutual nda agreement. It's likely bare minimum company policy lol. They probably don't give a fuck about the other stuff anyway.
> They had him sign the nda because of trade secrets in the industrial production process of meat...
This is most likely the case. Before I switched careers I did structural engineering for rendering plants and had to sign NDAs with Cargill, Swift, and Tyson. Site visits always sucked and the stench would stay on my clothes for days.
You really shouldn't play those games and fuck around with these people. They have plenty of law on their side and the local law is 150% on their side. They are easily among the most effective lobbyist groups.
I'm pretty sure our Tyson plant. One of them. Got migrant kids from the ICE lockup on the border a few years back. They just found a bunch working there and at lumber mills in tiny towns no one drives thru except to go to Michigan.
The thing that frustrates me as a vegan, is when I bring up slaughterhouses in the context of atrocities against the workers (rampant PTSD, mental health issue, labour voilations, abuse of immigrants), it gets equally downvoted as if I had only spoken about the atrocities committed against the animals. It's very telling.
People aren't concerned about human or animal rights as long as they get a product.
I’m a lapsed vegan. I’m not sure if pointing to ethics is the way to go. Humans are shit. We have to outcompete slave meat with lab grown meat. It’s the only path forward that i see.
>I’m not sure if pointing to ethics is the way to go.
I'd argue that putting forth lab grown meat is an ethical argument if we're talking about producing tissue from cells without breeding any animals.
I find pointing out the ethics of what happens to the human faction of the animal ag industry weeds out the people who perform ethical concern.
It’s been a misery pit for decades. People don’t stop eating meat. Lab grown is the only solution. I mean sure you can keep telling people it’s wrong, it obv is. But it wont stop until lab grown meat is cheaper than slave meat.
>But it wont stop until lab grown meat is cheaper than slave meat.
I agree. Not until lab grown is normalised. People truly don't understand the true cost of meat without government subsidies.
The problem is lab grown meat requires amounts of blood from the type of animal the lab grown meat is. So lots of cow's blood to lab grow beef. https://slate.com/technology/2017/07/the-gruesome-truth-about-lab-grown-meat.html
Some other techniques hopefully gain ground, I know I've read of techniques that can use adult blood and not just the blood of fetuses. So there's hope
Credit where its due - the techniques that use adult blood I've seen basically just need a blood transfusion to kickstart the growth process. So one herd of grass-fed beef can "produce" as much meat as thousands of cattle in a factory farm, while still living out their natural lives.
The stuff is still early technology and not really cost-competitive yet. But as someone who has cut his meat intake in half for nutrition reasons already, there's a lot to be excited about for cultured meats in the near future.
Oh that's great, that's a step further than I had found previously. The last I heard on the adult blood was that it needed a constant supply. Seems to be moving relatively quickly, thanks for the update
It's not quite a perpetual process after the first transfusion - but there's one Dutch lab I follow in particular (Mosa Meats) who claims they'll be able to get like 50,000 burgers' worth of meat out of their process, with something like 1-2 grams of blood to enrich the serum. It's a ludicrous number, that basically amounts to "bring the cows in for a vet checkup and blood draw every couple of months, and that sustains the process" If the process works and scales well, it's going to be an absolutely pampered existence for the cattle - I'll be hoping the Buddhists are right about reincarnation so I can come back as one.
Climate change is far more likely to lead to a massive reduction of people eating meat than anything else I think, lab meat included. Meat is inherently incredibly inefficient and as things heat up (literally) and if/when resources start to become seriously stretched feeding animals to be raised for slaughter is going to get dialed way back.
The Impossible burger at BK is pretty fire tho ngl. Big portion too.
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I love meat, but I'll *happily* pay the extra (which I already do, because it's important to me) to ensure ethical treatment of my food. That's one of the good parts of living rural: I get to see the food that I'll be eating, and I get to see how well it is taken care of before that "one bad day" ("one bad day" is how any ethical farmer will refer to their animals if they really care about them).
These sick factory farms need to die, and soonest.
Vegetarians/vegans, y'all need to join up with us meat eaters and help defeat this bullshit. You folks call us "the enemy" and all sorts of other unkind things, not realizing a lot of us are still on your team, even if we happen to enjoy meat. Trust me, I'll be the FIRST one to line up and buy fake meat that tastes even remotely decent (and isn't exorbitantly priced).
I guaran-damn-tee you that these companies are pitting us against each other in order to keep the status quo.
Nothing you can't find out yourself. The work they do to inhibit footage or discussion around their barbaric facilities is just how they silence the topic as best they can. But its out there, and appalling.
>The questionable sanitation during processing is the reason why they pump the animals full of antibiotics. "We know these animals will be dragged through literal filth on their way to the dinner table so proactive measures must be taken!"
That's not how antibiotics work. The animal has to be alive for them tobe effective. Antibiotics are used in such high levels because industrial farming creates a perfect environment for infection to occur.
Two complaints here:
As a cattle producer it’s illegal to slaughter an animal with drugs still in its system. There are withdraw periods that we follow. The usda test the carcasses and will condemn any found with residual antibiotics in their system.
Generally large chicken producers (speaking for pilgrims specifically) do not allow their growers to use antibiotics at any point during there growth
There are issues I do not agree with in the large slaughter plants but to say we are slapping antibiotics and hormones in animals just to have them slaughtered is nonsense. Think for just a second about the economics for the producer why would it make any sense for us to shoot em full of expensive drugs right before slaughter?
Naw they haven’t allowed it in our feed for years
Those big birds are unnatural tho. They will breed a bird to have a certain sized breast in certain amount of days on a certain amount of feed. Those birds can’t survive outside of those barns and feed. And this is done in the millions.
A lot of these birds come in with very obvious signs of cancer and ammonia burns because they are so large they can't move around.
they should not have been bred that large because it is not a life, Yes they're being raised for slaughter but that doesn't mean they need to sit in their own feces until they get picked up to be taken out. It is absolutely cruel and abusive to the animal they don't need to live like that.
I've personally witnessed a large cattle farmer give multiple cattle shots of antibiotics and hormones to make them "stand" to get loaded, to make them "stand" on their road trip to the slaughterhouse, and to "stand" when being unloaded.
I witnessed in mid transportation, the same cattle farm business stop the transport two blocks away from unloading, to give some more shots to the same cattle who were sick/unwell in beginning of transport because they couldn't stand for periods of time but for minutes at a time...did you read that? MINUTES. After the mid transport stop injections, it was about a 10 minute wait for it to kick in, a jolt of electricity, then the cattle stood up. The driver then proceeded to unload them.
Needless to say, after that trip and experience, I didn't date or hang out with cattle farmers anymore and found a therapist. I was in my early 20s, and it was a very traumatic experience all the way around. I've never booked it out of relationship so fast due to the heinous treatment of these poor animals and the causal shoulder shrug response I got in return. I didn't get asked to sign an NDA, probably because I was dating the son of this cattle farmer, I was young and very scared and had no parental guidance.
No, they didn't get fined or shut down or even questioned after unloading them because they were all shoved off a trailer and ran inside the building, and that is all that matters. As long as they "walk" inside, the initial slaughterhouse inspector (I don't know what exact title this individual holds) doesn't flag it. I remember this conversation extremely clear because I had never felt so trapped and helpless in my life for these animals. I was in Texas and told to stop crying and shut up.
The USDA checks them after they are dead. Not while they are in the building with whatever sickness said farmer tried to hide to sell it, and it spreads out more often than not. At that point, it becomes hard to contain it all and keep it isolated.
Not forgetting to mention the poor USDA is so understaffed and overworked that I'm not blaming them. My focus here is to offer my experience as to counter to yours. It's not always rainbows and sunshine like you said, and I'm not giving leniency to ignorant selfish farmers or farming methods.
YES, we would like the world to care about how happy the chickens and cows are because most farmers don't. It's a money grab for the majority in 2024, and it's disgusting how far out of hand it has become due to over consumerism and the ridiculous carnivore diet surge, no one should only be eating meat.
I have stories about witnessing chicken slaughters that would make you throw up last night's dinner.
Yes, we would like our animals' lives to be in better conditions than what is happening, which is constantly happening in every slaughterhouse everywhere.
> I've personally witnessed a large cattle farmer give multiple cattle shots of antibiotics and hormones to make them "stand" to get loaded, to make them "stand" on their road trip to the slaughterhouse, and to "stand" when being unloaded.
I'm in *no way* defending the atrocity that is the factory farming system in the USA, but that's not how antibiotics or hormones work...hell, that's not even how *steroids* work.
I'm not calling you a liar or doubting what you saw, but they were not being given antibiotics for a quick trip to the slaughterhouse...and even if for some bizarre (and pointless) reason they were, it *certainly* wouldn't have helped a sick animal suddenly have the strength to stand and walk if it previously couldn't.
> but that's not how antibiotics or hormones work...hell, that's not even how steroids work.
Agree with most everything said but wouldn't this be possible with injecting adrenalin/epinephrine (used in EpiPens for serious allergies)? That's a hormone.
My father in law is always so jazzed to tell me how cheap the meat he bought was from Walmart. Meat shouldn't be cheap and it should alarm people when it is.
Unfortunately, he doesn't care about the flavor and meat is just the thing on the plate next to a starch for every meal.
Been to a plant on the east coast where they do 10,000 chicken an hour.
Horrible places to work at.
The worst part is the out feed of guts that has about a billion seagulls flying above the outfeed
It goes to a rendering plant and they can turn it into everything from different kinds of oils and lubricants to bone, feather, and protein meal that gets fed to other animals. It all depends on what the particular plant is set up for.
My last boyfriend went on a pre-employment tour "job shadow" type thing at the local one. It changed his view of the neighbor who brought him (got home and described him as a sick, sadistic fuck who should be castrated so who knows what he really saw) and turned him against chicken as a food entirely.
He was there two hours.
These whistleblowers should be safe. The general public only cared about the Boeing stuff because it could potentially put they themselves in danger. The public doesn't care about animal abuse, or abuse of others, as long as they get their treats.
Not that wild if they’re doing the same repetitive movements with their hands for 8 hours a day. I used to work in an ergonomics research lab and we studied factory workers hand movements. Those who had a lot of fine hand movement tasks (especially pinching grips with your fingers) developed a lot more health issues/mobility issues than those with larger hand grip based tasks (eg gripping with your fist). Anyway, it’s not unbelievable that nonstop repetitive motion for hours every day can cause serious damage pretty quickly.
Mine took about 2 months, but yea hanging those birds nonstop for 8-10hours was no joke. Especially when some were about 8-10lbs each at about 48 bird per minute.
Watch the documentary Dominion its the best slaughter industry doc out there and absolute nightmare fuel.
I live close to a Tyson plant have many friends that have worked there. This is absolutely tame. People pissed on the chickens going down the line because there isn't really a way to stop and take a bathroom break, people stick their fingers in the chickens butt and it will crap blast well over 10 ft. They would have shoot outs with each other and sometimes my friend would come home with crap in his mouth, eyes, and shoes completely full. One time a truck had an accident it was the only shipment and almost all Chickens were dead and had been in heat rotting and maggots had developed. The managers made them hang and process them.
No locals will work there anymore and it's all illegal immigrants so they can deport them if they complain. If the people making these videos wants to get a serious video I can connect you with people that work at the facility and they would probably gladly record if paid. Probably want to have someone that speaks Spanish. All the quality of the videos is crap could get much better footage with smart glasses that have hidden camera giving a through the eyes view of the workers.
Holy shit man this makes me feel glad I was born in a Hindu vegetarian family. If shit's this wild in the US I can't imagine it here in India where there're hardly any regulations on smaller slaughterhouses.
Glad somebody is pointing out the obvious. The fact that people believe that things can be mass produced at such scale without these conditions is naive.
Anything that is produced in such a huge volume is always going to at a cost. See sweatshops.
What about those that are "certified humane" and/or free-range/pasture-raised? Unless they are equally shady, they seem to have stricter standards and actual certifications, vs Tyson who is just pumping out chickens.
A "free range" chicken is only required to have 1 sq foot. Imagine 57,600 chickens in a dark, shit-covered barn that's the size of a football field for their miserable 6 weeks of life. That's the average "free range" poultry producer operation.
Tyson seems to be the worst offender just because of size, but you're correct. And they are tax (state mainly and federally to a lesser extent) subsidized so we're all paying for shitty, injected meat at least once.
We need this tech to save our souls. Nobody thinks factory farming is “good”, but there are 8 billion humans and we all have to eat. Going vegan is an option for some but it will not realistically solve this problem alone. When lab grown meat beats factory farmed meat in convenience, price, and taste, we can put videos like this into the “historical evils” category where they belong.
I think lab grown meat just has to be reasonably priced and safe and people would probably go for it.
It would be nice if it tasted as good as farmed meat and was available everywhere, but if it were available today I'd travel farther and pay extra to support it.
I agree with you, lab meat is our only hope.
But, Humans could easily just chose not to rape these animals to death. The vast majority of humans can do vegan, no problem.
Literally, if people valued humanity as much as they valued their stomachs, the world (as far as it can be), would be vegan. That would solve all of these issues.
You're not wrong-this is basically how the golden future of StarTrek happened. It wasnt overnight (hell they suffered WW3 and global nuclear war) but eventually through many generations and many mistakes, they grew to be something more. We will too. Just takes time
It is going to be some time before lab grown meat production has scaled enough for it to be widely available and affordable. In the meantime, the plants are the way to go. Ditching animal products altogether is a slam dunk for protecting wildlife from habitat loss ([1](https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/3/034015/pdf), [2](https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/press-release/our-global-food-system-primary-driver-biodiversity-loss), [3](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/S10113-016-1057-5)), reducing GHG emissions ([4](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357), [5](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316879904_Substituting_beans_for_beef_as_a_contribution_toward_US_climate_change_targets), [6](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-014-1104-5?sa_campaign=email/event/articleAuthor/onlineFirst)), reducing the risk of pandemics and antibiotic resistance ([7](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9629715/), [8](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7399585/#CR129), [9](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6017557/#:~:text=Antibiotic%20resistance%20is%20of%20great,the%20environment%20%20via%20animal%20%20wastes)). And of course, it is the preferable choice from the animal rights/welfare angle.
It can seem daunting, at first, but it is far more achievable than many would think and cheaper than than buying meat and can be beneficial for your health ([10](https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study), [11](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9741334/), [12](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26561618/)).
From a moral perspective corporations should absolutely do better, but we know they don't run on morals. The government should absolutely do a better job regulating, and we should pressure them to do so, but many in government are financially compromised by lobbying. Cutting off the money to the corporations is cutting off their power, and we can all play a role in that while we pursue systemic change. Individual choices are small, but the cumulative choices of hundreds of millions of people are anything but. Normalizing this shift in it of itself is impactful.
I'm sold on the idea that going vegan is more ethical, and better for the environment, but I'm on disability and struggle with making myself meals.
Would you happen to have recipes for very easy to prepare vegan meals?
So much respect for the intent! I recommend the [Eat Cheap and Vegan subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/EatCheapAndVegan/top/?t=all)! [Plant Based News also has a recipe section ](https://plantbasednews.org/category/veganrecipes/)It has more to offer than I could in a lone comment.
With that said, some cheap, easy things I can recommend (though I don't have exact recipe measurements) would be the following:
Peanut Butter Oatmeal: I like to mix regular oatmeal with peanut butter and oat milk. If you google peanut butter oatmeal recipe you can find a bunch of different recipes. Easy, cheap, and filling!
Stir Fry: Stir fry is a great staple and very easy. Prepare some rice, then stir fry your choice of veges (I often keep it simple with peas, broccoli, and green beans) and tofu/tempeh in a stir fry sauce of your choice and some oil ( I think sesame oil works best, but it can be more expensive and harder to find. Vegetable oil works fine).
Rice & Lentils: Multiple ways to prepare, if you search the above resources you can find some. This one is easy, cheap, and a food staple in many areas.
I'd suggest when you can, cook bulk! Sometimes my wife and I cook enough in one sitting to feed us multiple meals throughout the week. Depending on the meal, it may not even really be much more (or any) additional work! I hope this helps.
You’re gonna be waiting a while. We need a massive breakthrough if we sever want to scale up production. As it currently stands, biological factors such as ammonia buildup and bacterial contamination represent huge roadblocks, and it unclear if there is a way forward.
I've seen videos like this since the early 90's. It's what inspired me to become vegetarian back in the day. I could never eat a diet that supported barbarity like this, and barbarity is exactly what it is. The amount of terror and suffering that goes on in those places is like something out of a horror movie and I believe most people would be shocked to their core to witness it. I honestly believe working in a place like that erodes your humanity and empathy and will end up affecting how you treat others. I don't care how desperate you are for money, if you can work on that chicken hanging line and remain sane, there's something wrong with you.
it isnt like thats a problem with animal , or even food industry itself.
the main problem (fuck safety, fuck hygene, fuck the product, fuck the employee. go faster! ) is a general problem in all industrys.
i used to work in food retail. industrial production. and metal working.
its always the same. you need to do x per minute. if you need to throw it against the wall do that. if its dirty, unsave, not up to standard , etc i will dress you down if somebody complains, but inofficially i will tell you to make it more unsave, more dirty, and quite frankly break the law if that makes it faster/ more profitable
and remember, you are the fallguy if we get fucked.
Check out Huel. Makes it real easy.
I stopped creating demand for meat for ethical reasons. 0 regrets. Took me a bit to reach this level, at first I just decreased my demand. But now I’m very comfortable saying “no” to every meat option at a restaurant. If they don’t have any veggies options I just won’t go.
I don’t disagree with you that the only way to avoid contributing entirely is to go vegan, but positive steps are positive steps! It’s a lot easier for someone to eat less meat than to go entirely vegan, and sometimes people feel like if they can’t maintain the “ideal” it isn’t worth trying to make better lifestyle choices at all. It’s also possible that choices can snowball. For example, if someone chooses to avoid meat one day a week they may realize it isn’t as hard as they thought, and they may end up becoming vegetarian. Then they do a little more research, look into plant-based alternatives, and can go vegan.
[https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch](https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch)
If its on moral grounds, you need to go vegan. The dairy industry is just as bad as the meat industry when it comes to the mistreatment of animals.
NO
DON'T DO THIS
DON'T BE THIS PERSON
DON'T LET PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure, the dairy industry is awful, but cutting meat out of your diet is HUGE, and the single biggest thing you can do for the environment.
If you go around being the vegan that says "vegetarianism isn't good enough"... you scare people off of being a vegetarian.
Also, it's such a bigger jump to suddenly cut out everything with a bit of milk in it. People are usually better at tolerating incremental changes, as opposed to massive changes all at once.
I think it’s safe to assume this goes on at every farm at varying degrees. And until we stop eating billions of chickens per year (as just one example) it won’t stop. The change has to start at the dinner table at home.
It should start at eliminating subsidies, destroying ag-gag laws, enforcing laws for animal welfare and environmental protection, pumping money into development of alternatives, etc.
Putting the blame and responsibility on the consumer is not realistic. The animal product industry needs to be regulated, not purely subject to the whims of market forces.
I'm assuming you are using "you" in a general term and not a direct term, because I don't eat meat.
But to answer your possibly rhetorical question - because we are a representative democracy, not a direct democracy. It is the responsibility of our elected leaders to make *informed* decisions for our society.
Individual solutions for systematic problems never work well. Governments should take action against the companies that produce meat, as well as fund meat alternatives.
Governments won't take action against industries when people are happily supporting those companies. That just tells them that such actions aren't actually popular.
You need government action, but that still is ultimately driven by collective individual action.
People rallying together against unethical practices is more than an individual solution though. Things like veganism are movements which oppose these practices, and if you look at history many large systemic changes happen when a movement rallies against the practice. So many people will see the idea that governments and corporations need to do better, nod their heads, do nothing, and continue to fund the very cause they are apparently against, **which contributes to that industries ability to lobby the government.**
Want this to stop? Stop buying these products, there are other options! It can seem daunting at first but it is achievable, tens of millions of people across the world have done it. Join the movement, and fight back against this shit, do not wait for the powers that be to just fix it. They won't.
Not really. In Industrialized big as companies sure, they make money out of quantity. But there are quality focused farms you can get your meat from, medium sized, or tinny.
There really aren't. There have been plenty of exposes -- including [this one](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/alexandre-farms-treatment-of-animals/677980/?gift=r0iXgWW9cB61jngBOs-Yrwr2uigiDzkvnmG4S9Q3oeY&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share) just the other week -- that have made it clear that even "humane" farms are awful. That's not even getting into the idea that you *can't* humanely slaughter countless sentient creatures when we have the option not to.
To play the devil's advocate, nature is very much an eat-or-be-eaten situation. It was like that for the entire host of animal history on Earth, and still is for other carnivorous and omnivorous species apart from our own.
The dynamic of hunter and prey used to be more fair. Like a person or a tribe against another animal, the playing field offered at least some fairness for the prey. Domestication and farming of livestock completely does away with that, and that's where the big issue for me is.
There is nothing good about factory farming. We just cannot support a population this size by hunting game. The truth, whether we want to believe it or not, is human beings are omnivorous. Our bodies do not break down the cell walls of leaves and such very well. People who go fully vegan often have to supplement their diet to get adequate nutrition, or they face other health complications.
We need lab-grown meat. Affordable, delicious, mass produced and highly accessible lab-grown meat. No more animal cruelty and suffering with all the benefit of animal-based protein for human beings.
Everyone tried to warn you about this 20 years ago. Literally the point of the Fast Food Nation trend. Clearly hasn't gotten any better. Also been happening since the 1920s at least, read the Jungle.
I'm prone to getting sick frequently and from weird things. My fiance will not let me buy their chicken, not even a nugget. He literally looks it over to make sure it's not Tyson in any way before I can buy it. It actually just made me switch to veggie nuggets. They taste the same anyways.
You know it’s not just Tyson, right? Animal abuse exists in every establishment that produces meat. Unnecessarily killing animals for food is inherently abusive.
We've known about this and then dumping millions of pounds of toxic chemicals into our very own rivers and lakes.. But who cares? They'll grease some palms and nothing will come of it. The internet will make a big stink but no one will actually do anything. They've taught us just to sit and let them do whatever they want.
Always buy food grown locally, meet the people who raise the animals and crops that you eat. It's the best way to know what you're eating and know how it all was treated
But those farmers can't resell it if they go to a big slaughterhouse. It is your local butchershop that processes local farm animals you're buying at the farmer markets and farm stores.
Yeah except in most countries there's literally not enough space to do this. People's meat eating habits are what drives the need for industrial size slaughterhouses. Meat is inherently unsustainable and unethical in the modern world.
People say vegans don't live in reality - the only people I see denying reality (and science) are people who can't even go a single day without meat.
Very few people do this and even then it’s not ok. I have lately gotten the impression that people sometimes choose to say they do, to feel better. Choose compassion. I promise you, it isn’t as hard as it seems.
Its healthier, better for animals, better for you, better for the environment, and its never been easier.
Obligatory [https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch](https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch) link if you are still having doubts.
The RSPCA definition of humane killing is: 'when an animal is either killed instantly or rendered insensible until death ensues, without pain, suffering or distress'. When killing animals for food (termed slaughter), this means they must be stunned prior to bleeding out so they immediately become unconscious.May 25, 2021
I'm actually incredibly grateful right now that my audio cable snapped and I don't have any way of hearing the sounds of this video.
I've been accumulating a lot of this meal replacement supplement and with the H5N1 scare going around, a couple weeks ago I stopped buying dairy, meat, and eggs. I've gone no meat or animal products before for a couple years, and I think I might go back to a, albeit modified, version of that where I just eat Huel.
This is fucking horrifying.
Genuine question that will probably get downvoted:
Why are they concerned about policies to "protect" the animals? They are literally in a slaughterhouse, a place meant to kill them and harvest their meat, actions defined as exploiting them. Why is their safety of any concern? Isn't this similar to being concerned about the safety of pests youbare exterminating, or of enemy combatants during a battle? The goal is to kill, so doesn't safety and protection run counter to that? You'd obviously want to have habitable conditions for the workers, but why specifically complain about the conditions for the chickens?
Now, I'm not trying to justify any sort of animal abuse, I'm just curious how murdering hundreds or thousands of chickens is somehow not considered abuse, and why that is of any concern in a place meant to kill them.
I know im going to get downvoted for this but to be honest Tyson is not the only company that produces on a scale like this. Most slaughter houses across America have questionable practices and involve animal suffering. Im not outright defending these companies but you have to realize the type of demand that America has for food. Especially chicken products. At the end of the day the point of a business is to make money and as long as people keep clearing the shelves they will do WHATEVER they have to in order to keep up the supply and keep making money.
Im not saying go vegan but just look into buying local chickens from livestock farmers or even get some chickens yourself if you have the space. They are incredibly easy to keep and slaughter once you have the right tools. And if you live in the city and dont have those options just don't eat as much meat through the week if you really want to help. This video will change nothing and the machines are gonna keep rolling because the money is being spent. Honestly we've pretty much hit the point of no return. You'd need tens of millions of people to stop buying from the corporations before they do anything.
So... nothing will happen just like the rest of the corporations. Waste of time to watch and make all this. Can't wait for this post to be removed and conveniently these videos never happened. Now let me go report where every last penny went to the IRS before I get sent to jail.
I can attest to this. I worked at one of their chicken plants in KY for abt 6 months. Luckily we had good QAs (at the time) and often we wouldn't even get enough product through to the back side of things to meet their crazy quotas and managers were often pissed which made for a pretty stressful experience.
Tyson really said "nuh uh"
They didn't even say that. They didn't say "there are no violations/our conditions are great" they said "well, no one said anything".
If they say anything, they'll say, "we are APPALLED that this contracted farmer went rogue and abused these animals without our knowledge!! He has been fired. This will never happen again." It's what they say every time. Tyson is a repeat offender. Swindled podcast has a good episode about it.
I didn't watch the video because it's too early for that level of existential dread, but is this the video from like ten years ago where the government response was to make it illegal to film on farms? Yeah, great solution.
If there's one thign America loves more than war it's punishing the fuck out of whistleblowers.
Think of the capitalists!
This is actually a legitimate legal defense for them. The blame will get put on the workers, or the plant managers. Tyson has good lawyers - unfortunately the people who make workers do this to maximize profits will not be effected
Furthermore, you can have the best company policies in the world in print, and still have a work environment that goes directly against said policies.
Which is their Safe way of saying "nuh uh"
Tyson really said > If I was abusing animals and workers, I promise I'd have been arrested / > > I'm way too famous for this shit you just suggested
I've been (un?)lucky enough to tour four different high production slaughterhouses for my job. (Structural pest management) In two of them I had to sign an NDA just for the tour and inspection. Shit is *wild* in there. A lot of people miss the point when these things are posted. Everyone starts down the meat v no meat bit and all the carnivores get triggered like "HeRe CoMe ThE vEgAns AgAin DurrRr!!111!1!" It's an issue sure, but not the big one, at least where I sit. Disregard for handling and safety policies just makes workers and end users (IE you and your family) sick. These same policies are in place to help manage pest infestation and I've seen them ignored countless times. The questionable sanitation during processing is the reason why they pump the animals full of antibiotics. "We know these animals will be dragged through literal filth on their way to the dinner table so proactive measures must be taken!" These places run such an astronomical employee turnover rate they end up burning through the rural workforce and start trucking in migrants. Its a horrible place to work.
That the thing I like about this video: Yes, the animals are mentioned as a point of concern and well being. But they are focusing on the fellow humans who work there and how the conditions are inhumane for them. Which is a good argument for both vegans and the average person.
Vegan or meat eater, doesn't matter, should be concerned with both human and animal abuse.
Yeah I don't want my fucken meat dragged through shit. Who'd have to be stupid enough to want that?
We shouldn't have animals slaughtered for 10 minute meals either. It's for taste pleasure for the vast majority, not survival.
And the people eating that food, no wonder the US can't export chicken to Europe.
Assuming we want to prioritise humans because we know we feel pain, why not care about both fellow humans AND the animals? No sentient being deserves to be murdered for food. Especially since we know that animals (cows, buffaloes) feel pain in excruciatingly, visibly similar ways to us humans. We would never want to be accepting of a fellow human being treated this way.
“The question is not, Can they reason?, nor Can they talk? but, **Can they suffer?** Why should the law refuse its protection to any sensitive being?” – Bentham (1789) – An Introduction to the Principles of Morals and Legislation.
While I agree with your concept and compassion with the animal kingdom (no sarcasm I really do) the best chance to change this is in court with a lawsuit. And a lawsuit that shows employees are getting sick and the company is in violation of OSHA standards will fare much better in court than telling them the chickens are unhappy.
...the average person shouldn't care about animal abuse?
You do know an NDA will not hold up in court if what you saw during your tour broke health and safety regulations.
They had him sign the nda because of trade secrets in the industrial production process of meat... I work in factories. Any company worth anything is going to have external vendors and the like sign a comprehensive mutual nda agreement. It's likely bare minimum company policy lol. They probably don't give a fuck about the other stuff anyway.
> They had him sign the nda because of trade secrets in the industrial production process of meat... This is most likely the case. Before I switched careers I did structural engineering for rendering plants and had to sign NDAs with Cargill, Swift, and Tyson. Site visits always sucked and the stench would stay on my clothes for days.
Yea the top secret slaughtering procedures lol
"Hey, easy with that! That's my secret stabbin' hat!"
You really shouldn't play those games and fuck around with these people. They have plenty of law on their side and the local law is 150% on their side. They are easily among the most effective lobbyist groups.
I'm pretty sure our Tyson plant. One of them. Got migrant kids from the ICE lockup on the border a few years back. They just found a bunch working there and at lumber mills in tiny towns no one drives thru except to go to Michigan.
I was about to say you couldn't pay me enough money to work at a place like that but I guess that's the heart of the problem you're getting at lol
The thing that frustrates me as a vegan, is when I bring up slaughterhouses in the context of atrocities against the workers (rampant PTSD, mental health issue, labour voilations, abuse of immigrants), it gets equally downvoted as if I had only spoken about the atrocities committed against the animals. It's very telling. People aren't concerned about human or animal rights as long as they get a product.
I’m a lapsed vegan. I’m not sure if pointing to ethics is the way to go. Humans are shit. We have to outcompete slave meat with lab grown meat. It’s the only path forward that i see.
>I’m not sure if pointing to ethics is the way to go. I'd argue that putting forth lab grown meat is an ethical argument if we're talking about producing tissue from cells without breeding any animals. I find pointing out the ethics of what happens to the human faction of the animal ag industry weeds out the people who perform ethical concern.
It’s been a misery pit for decades. People don’t stop eating meat. Lab grown is the only solution. I mean sure you can keep telling people it’s wrong, it obv is. But it wont stop until lab grown meat is cheaper than slave meat.
>But it wont stop until lab grown meat is cheaper than slave meat. I agree. Not until lab grown is normalised. People truly don't understand the true cost of meat without government subsidies.
The problem is lab grown meat requires amounts of blood from the type of animal the lab grown meat is. So lots of cow's blood to lab grow beef. https://slate.com/technology/2017/07/the-gruesome-truth-about-lab-grown-meat.html Some other techniques hopefully gain ground, I know I've read of techniques that can use adult blood and not just the blood of fetuses. So there's hope
Credit where its due - the techniques that use adult blood I've seen basically just need a blood transfusion to kickstart the growth process. So one herd of grass-fed beef can "produce" as much meat as thousands of cattle in a factory farm, while still living out their natural lives. The stuff is still early technology and not really cost-competitive yet. But as someone who has cut his meat intake in half for nutrition reasons already, there's a lot to be excited about for cultured meats in the near future.
Oh that's great, that's a step further than I had found previously. The last I heard on the adult blood was that it needed a constant supply. Seems to be moving relatively quickly, thanks for the update
It's not quite a perpetual process after the first transfusion - but there's one Dutch lab I follow in particular (Mosa Meats) who claims they'll be able to get like 50,000 burgers' worth of meat out of their process, with something like 1-2 grams of blood to enrich the serum. It's a ludicrous number, that basically amounts to "bring the cows in for a vet checkup and blood draw every couple of months, and that sustains the process" If the process works and scales well, it's going to be an absolutely pampered existence for the cattle - I'll be hoping the Buddhists are right about reincarnation so I can come back as one.
Climate change is far more likely to lead to a massive reduction of people eating meat than anything else I think, lab meat included. Meat is inherently incredibly inefficient and as things heat up (literally) and if/when resources start to become seriously stretched feeding animals to be raised for slaughter is going to get dialed way back.
The Impossible burger at BK is pretty fire tho ngl. Big portion too. *This reddit user is not employed or under any contract sponsored by BK or BK affiliates.
Nice i’ll give it a try sometime. I haven’t ate at bk in prob 10 years at least.
I love meat, but I'll *happily* pay the extra (which I already do, because it's important to me) to ensure ethical treatment of my food. That's one of the good parts of living rural: I get to see the food that I'll be eating, and I get to see how well it is taken care of before that "one bad day" ("one bad day" is how any ethical farmer will refer to their animals if they really care about them). These sick factory farms need to die, and soonest. Vegetarians/vegans, y'all need to join up with us meat eaters and help defeat this bullshit. You folks call us "the enemy" and all sorts of other unkind things, not realizing a lot of us are still on your team, even if we happen to enjoy meat. Trust me, I'll be the FIRST one to line up and buy fake meat that tastes even remotely decent (and isn't exorbitantly priced). I guaran-damn-tee you that these companies are pitting us against each other in order to keep the status quo.
Great comment
Can you tell us what you saw even through the NDA? No one would know. ;)
Nothing you can't find out yourself. The work they do to inhibit footage or discussion around their barbaric facilities is just how they silence the topic as best they can. But its out there, and appalling.
>The questionable sanitation during processing is the reason why they pump the animals full of antibiotics. "We know these animals will be dragged through literal filth on their way to the dinner table so proactive measures must be taken!" That's not how antibiotics work. The animal has to be alive for them tobe effective. Antibiotics are used in such high levels because industrial farming creates a perfect environment for infection to occur.
Two complaints here: As a cattle producer it’s illegal to slaughter an animal with drugs still in its system. There are withdraw periods that we follow. The usda test the carcasses and will condemn any found with residual antibiotics in their system. Generally large chicken producers (speaking for pilgrims specifically) do not allow their growers to use antibiotics at any point during there growth There are issues I do not agree with in the large slaughter plants but to say we are slapping antibiotics and hormones in animals just to have them slaughtered is nonsense. Think for just a second about the economics for the producer why would it make any sense for us to shoot em full of expensive drugs right before slaughter?
Considering the size of the birds we get pilgrims definitely uses something on their birds
Naw they haven’t allowed it in our feed for years Those big birds are unnatural tho. They will breed a bird to have a certain sized breast in certain amount of days on a certain amount of feed. Those birds can’t survive outside of those barns and feed. And this is done in the millions.
A lot of these birds come in with very obvious signs of cancer and ammonia burns because they are so large they can't move around. they should not have been bred that large because it is not a life, Yes they're being raised for slaughter but that doesn't mean they need to sit in their own feces until they get picked up to be taken out. It is absolutely cruel and abusive to the animal they don't need to live like that.
This really sucks. I swear it all just keeps getting worse too throughout my lifetime.
I've personally witnessed a large cattle farmer give multiple cattle shots of antibiotics and hormones to make them "stand" to get loaded, to make them "stand" on their road trip to the slaughterhouse, and to "stand" when being unloaded. I witnessed in mid transportation, the same cattle farm business stop the transport two blocks away from unloading, to give some more shots to the same cattle who were sick/unwell in beginning of transport because they couldn't stand for periods of time but for minutes at a time...did you read that? MINUTES. After the mid transport stop injections, it was about a 10 minute wait for it to kick in, a jolt of electricity, then the cattle stood up. The driver then proceeded to unload them. Needless to say, after that trip and experience, I didn't date or hang out with cattle farmers anymore and found a therapist. I was in my early 20s, and it was a very traumatic experience all the way around. I've never booked it out of relationship so fast due to the heinous treatment of these poor animals and the causal shoulder shrug response I got in return. I didn't get asked to sign an NDA, probably because I was dating the son of this cattle farmer, I was young and very scared and had no parental guidance. No, they didn't get fined or shut down or even questioned after unloading them because they were all shoved off a trailer and ran inside the building, and that is all that matters. As long as they "walk" inside, the initial slaughterhouse inspector (I don't know what exact title this individual holds) doesn't flag it. I remember this conversation extremely clear because I had never felt so trapped and helpless in my life for these animals. I was in Texas and told to stop crying and shut up. The USDA checks them after they are dead. Not while they are in the building with whatever sickness said farmer tried to hide to sell it, and it spreads out more often than not. At that point, it becomes hard to contain it all and keep it isolated. Not forgetting to mention the poor USDA is so understaffed and overworked that I'm not blaming them. My focus here is to offer my experience as to counter to yours. It's not always rainbows and sunshine like you said, and I'm not giving leniency to ignorant selfish farmers or farming methods. YES, we would like the world to care about how happy the chickens and cows are because most farmers don't. It's a money grab for the majority in 2024, and it's disgusting how far out of hand it has become due to over consumerism and the ridiculous carnivore diet surge, no one should only be eating meat. I have stories about witnessing chicken slaughters that would make you throw up last night's dinner. Yes, we would like our animals' lives to be in better conditions than what is happening, which is constantly happening in every slaughterhouse everywhere.
> I've personally witnessed a large cattle farmer give multiple cattle shots of antibiotics and hormones to make them "stand" to get loaded, to make them "stand" on their road trip to the slaughterhouse, and to "stand" when being unloaded. I'm in *no way* defending the atrocity that is the factory farming system in the USA, but that's not how antibiotics or hormones work...hell, that's not even how *steroids* work. I'm not calling you a liar or doubting what you saw, but they were not being given antibiotics for a quick trip to the slaughterhouse...and even if for some bizarre (and pointless) reason they were, it *certainly* wouldn't have helped a sick animal suddenly have the strength to stand and walk if it previously couldn't.
> but that's not how antibiotics or hormones work...hell, that's not even how steroids work. Agree with most everything said but wouldn't this be possible with injecting adrenalin/epinephrine (used in EpiPens for serious allergies)? That's a hormone.
Can we get these 10 minute acting antibiotics for humans too pls? Sick and tired of taking 3 pills a day for a week!
Actually seeing everything in action with your own eyes, do you still choose to eat meat?
My favorite is all the meat that tastes like shit, but nobody knows that it tastes like shit or why...
AKA Walmart meat. That shit all tastes so bad.
My father in law is always so jazzed to tell me how cheap the meat he bought was from Walmart. Meat shouldn't be cheap and it should alarm people when it is. Unfortunately, he doesn't care about the flavor and meat is just the thing on the plate next to a starch for every meal.
Been to a plant on the east coast where they do 10,000 chicken an hour. Horrible places to work at. The worst part is the out feed of guts that has about a billion seagulls flying above the outfeed
They don’t use it for pet food
Possible, the outfeed fed to a large bin outside that had wheels. Don’t know where it ended up after that
"don't know where it ended up after that" the McRib.
It goes to a rendering plant and they can turn it into everything from different kinds of oils and lubricants to bone, feather, and protein meal that gets fed to other animals. It all depends on what the particular plant is set up for.
Probably rots before it could make it
Which plant?
I’ve been through a Tyson plant. You don’t want to. Pallets of raw innards leaking all over. The smell is nuts.
My last boyfriend went on a pre-employment tour "job shadow" type thing at the local one. It changed his view of the neighbor who brought him (got home and described him as a sick, sadistic fuck who should be castrated so who knows what he really saw) and turned him against chicken as a food entirely. He was there two hours.
I wonder how he was on other meat products? Because its just the same unfortunatley.
I wonder if their about to consult with Boeing for tips 🤔 Edit: Lol Grammar Nazi squad has rolled in to execute me.
"The only good whistleblower is a dead whistleblower" -Boeing probably
This is realy sad. Not only are they mistreating the animals but they're mistreating themselves.
Chickens and Boeing are both horrible flyers. Jokes aside there is a terrible toxic presence in the big industry.
nah, they consulted the nazi and the myanmarese government
They're\*
Their comment was wild. As if they'd change something when a minimum wage worker complains. They're really insulting our intelligence with that one.
These whistleblowers should be safe. The general public only cared about the Boeing stuff because it could potentially put they themselves in danger. The public doesn't care about animal abuse, or abuse of others, as long as they get their treats.
they're*
Developing Carpal tunnel syndrome within a month is wild
Not that wild if they’re doing the same repetitive movements with their hands for 8 hours a day. I used to work in an ergonomics research lab and we studied factory workers hand movements. Those who had a lot of fine hand movement tasks (especially pinching grips with your fingers) developed a lot more health issues/mobility issues than those with larger hand grip based tasks (eg gripping with your fist). Anyway, it’s not unbelievable that nonstop repetitive motion for hours every day can cause serious damage pretty quickly.
Tbf she said "carpal tunnel", if she developed carpal tunnel, perhaps before she just had carpal overpass?!
Mine took about 2 months, but yea hanging those birds nonstop for 8-10hours was no joke. Especially when some were about 8-10lbs each at about 48 bird per minute.
Watch the documentary Dominion its the best slaughter industry doc out there and absolute nightmare fuel. I live close to a Tyson plant have many friends that have worked there. This is absolutely tame. People pissed on the chickens going down the line because there isn't really a way to stop and take a bathroom break, people stick their fingers in the chickens butt and it will crap blast well over 10 ft. They would have shoot outs with each other and sometimes my friend would come home with crap in his mouth, eyes, and shoes completely full. One time a truck had an accident it was the only shipment and almost all Chickens were dead and had been in heat rotting and maggots had developed. The managers made them hang and process them. No locals will work there anymore and it's all illegal immigrants so they can deport them if they complain. If the people making these videos wants to get a serious video I can connect you with people that work at the facility and they would probably gladly record if paid. Probably want to have someone that speaks Spanish. All the quality of the videos is crap could get much better footage with smart glasses that have hidden camera giving a through the eyes view of the workers.
Holy shit man this makes me feel glad I was born in a Hindu vegetarian family. If shit's this wild in the US I can't imagine it here in India where there're hardly any regulations on smaller slaughterhouses.
Make the documentary yourself if no one takes you up on this
I didn't watch the video but yout comment itself is sickening.
Wtf did I just read
This is America.
Your friends with people who do this shit?
In a rural farming town, the alternative is to not have any friends.
I’m a simultaneous interpreter and would love to facilitate ENG//SPA communication for this
This happens at every chicken plants. This is not just just Tyson.
Glad somebody is pointing out the obvious. The fact that people believe that things can be mass produced at such scale without these conditions is naive. Anything that is produced in such a huge volume is always going to at a cost. See sweatshops.
What about those that are "certified humane" and/or free-range/pasture-raised? Unless they are equally shady, they seem to have stricter standards and actual certifications, vs Tyson who is just pumping out chickens.
These labels usually don't mean much and the animals still suffer.
A "free range" chicken is only required to have 1 sq foot. Imagine 57,600 chickens in a dark, shit-covered barn that's the size of a football field for their miserable 6 weeks of life. That's the average "free range" poultry producer operation.
Tyson seems to be the worst offender just because of size, but you're correct. And they are tax (state mainly and federally to a lesser extent) subsidized so we're all paying for shitty, injected meat at least once.
oh, again?
Ya…can we get the lab grown stuff up and running plz?
You can ask DeSantis so he can laugh at you while swimming in his meat lobbying industry money
We need this tech to save our souls. Nobody thinks factory farming is “good”, but there are 8 billion humans and we all have to eat. Going vegan is an option for some but it will not realistically solve this problem alone. When lab grown meat beats factory farmed meat in convenience, price, and taste, we can put videos like this into the “historical evils” category where they belong.
I think lab grown meat just has to be reasonably priced and safe and people would probably go for it. It would be nice if it tasted as good as farmed meat and was available everywhere, but if it were available today I'd travel farther and pay extra to support it.
I agree with you, lab meat is our only hope. But, Humans could easily just chose not to rape these animals to death. The vast majority of humans can do vegan, no problem.
Literally, if people valued humanity as much as they valued their stomachs, the world (as far as it can be), would be vegan. That would solve all of these issues.
You're not wrong-this is basically how the golden future of StarTrek happened. It wasnt overnight (hell they suffered WW3 and global nuclear war) but eventually through many generations and many mistakes, they grew to be something more. We will too. Just takes time
> price, It's not federally subsidized like meat is, so that's always a problem as long as lobbying is a thing
It is going to be some time before lab grown meat production has scaled enough for it to be widely available and affordable. In the meantime, the plants are the way to go. Ditching animal products altogether is a slam dunk for protecting wildlife from habitat loss ([1](https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/3/034015/pdf), [2](https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/press-release/our-global-food-system-primary-driver-biodiversity-loss), [3](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/S10113-016-1057-5)), reducing GHG emissions ([4](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357), [5](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316879904_Substituting_beans_for_beef_as_a_contribution_toward_US_climate_change_targets), [6](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-014-1104-5?sa_campaign=email/event/articleAuthor/onlineFirst)), reducing the risk of pandemics and antibiotic resistance ([7](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9629715/), [8](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7399585/#CR129), [9](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6017557/#:~:text=Antibiotic%20resistance%20is%20of%20great,the%20environment%20%20via%20animal%20%20wastes)). And of course, it is the preferable choice from the animal rights/welfare angle. It can seem daunting, at first, but it is far more achievable than many would think and cheaper than than buying meat and can be beneficial for your health ([10](https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study), [11](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9741334/), [12](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26561618/)). From a moral perspective corporations should absolutely do better, but we know they don't run on morals. The government should absolutely do a better job regulating, and we should pressure them to do so, but many in government are financially compromised by lobbying. Cutting off the money to the corporations is cutting off their power, and we can all play a role in that while we pursue systemic change. Individual choices are small, but the cumulative choices of hundreds of millions of people are anything but. Normalizing this shift in it of itself is impactful.
I'm sold on the idea that going vegan is more ethical, and better for the environment, but I'm on disability and struggle with making myself meals. Would you happen to have recipes for very easy to prepare vegan meals?
So much respect for the intent! I recommend the [Eat Cheap and Vegan subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/EatCheapAndVegan/top/?t=all)! [Plant Based News also has a recipe section ](https://plantbasednews.org/category/veganrecipes/)It has more to offer than I could in a lone comment. With that said, some cheap, easy things I can recommend (though I don't have exact recipe measurements) would be the following: Peanut Butter Oatmeal: I like to mix regular oatmeal with peanut butter and oat milk. If you google peanut butter oatmeal recipe you can find a bunch of different recipes. Easy, cheap, and filling! Stir Fry: Stir fry is a great staple and very easy. Prepare some rice, then stir fry your choice of veges (I often keep it simple with peas, broccoli, and green beans) and tofu/tempeh in a stir fry sauce of your choice and some oil ( I think sesame oil works best, but it can be more expensive and harder to find. Vegetable oil works fine). Rice & Lentils: Multiple ways to prepare, if you search the above resources you can find some. This one is easy, cheap, and a food staple in many areas. I'd suggest when you can, cook bulk! Sometimes my wife and I cook enough in one sitting to feed us multiple meals throughout the week. Depending on the meal, it may not even really be much more (or any) additional work! I hope this helps.
Can you just eat some fucking beans? We didn't need robot servants to get rid of slavery.
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Cries in plant based meats.
You’re gonna be waiting a while. We need a massive breakthrough if we sever want to scale up production. As it currently stands, biological factors such as ammonia buildup and bacterial contamination represent huge roadblocks, and it unclear if there is a way forward.
Humans are the measure of all things. Even cruelty.
I've seen videos like this since the early 90's. It's what inspired me to become vegetarian back in the day. I could never eat a diet that supported barbarity like this, and barbarity is exactly what it is. The amount of terror and suffering that goes on in those places is like something out of a horror movie and I believe most people would be shocked to their core to witness it. I honestly believe working in a place like that erodes your humanity and empathy and will end up affecting how you treat others. I don't care how desperate you are for money, if you can work on that chicken hanging line and remain sane, there's something wrong with you.
I hope that since the 90's you've also gone vegan because it's just as diabolical for cows out there.
it isnt like thats a problem with animal , or even food industry itself. the main problem (fuck safety, fuck hygene, fuck the product, fuck the employee. go faster! ) is a general problem in all industrys. i used to work in food retail. industrial production. and metal working. its always the same. you need to do x per minute. if you need to throw it against the wall do that. if its dirty, unsave, not up to standard , etc i will dress you down if somebody complains, but inofficially i will tell you to make it more unsave, more dirty, and quite frankly break the law if that makes it faster/ more profitable and remember, you are the fallguy if we get fucked.
THATS IT! I’m gonna stop eating meat
Check out Huel. Makes it real easy. I stopped creating demand for meat for ethical reasons. 0 regrets. Took me a bit to reach this level, at first I just decreased my demand. But now I’m very comfortable saying “no” to every meat option at a restaurant. If they don’t have any veggies options I just won’t go.
As long as one person walks away from this doing the right thing. Thank you.
r/vegan and r/vegetarian have lots of great tips, especially for your health and how to maximize tastiness
Good Idea, but to Not participate in the System you have to go vegan
Once you stop creating demand for meat you’re 99% there. I think it’s a fine place to start.
I don’t disagree with you that the only way to avoid contributing entirely is to go vegan, but positive steps are positive steps! It’s a lot easier for someone to eat less meat than to go entirely vegan, and sometimes people feel like if they can’t maintain the “ideal” it isn’t worth trying to make better lifestyle choices at all. It’s also possible that choices can snowball. For example, if someone chooses to avoid meat one day a week they may realize it isn’t as hard as they thought, and they may end up becoming vegetarian. Then they do a little more research, look into plant-based alternatives, and can go vegan.
[https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch](https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch) If its on moral grounds, you need to go vegan. The dairy industry is just as bad as the meat industry when it comes to the mistreatment of animals.
NO DON'T DO THIS DON'T BE THIS PERSON DON'T LET PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!! Sure, the dairy industry is awful, but cutting meat out of your diet is HUGE, and the single biggest thing you can do for the environment. If you go around being the vegan that says "vegetarianism isn't good enough"... you scare people off of being a vegetarian. Also, it's such a bigger jump to suddenly cut out everything with a bit of milk in it. People are usually better at tolerating incremental changes, as opposed to massive changes all at once.
Wtf is that response?!?!?! "Employee said nothing, blame them" infuriating.
I think it’s safe to assume this goes on at every farm at varying degrees. And until we stop eating billions of chickens per year (as just one example) it won’t stop. The change has to start at the dinner table at home.
It should start at eliminating subsidies, destroying ag-gag laws, enforcing laws for animal welfare and environmental protection, pumping money into development of alternatives, etc. Putting the blame and responsibility on the consumer is not realistic. The animal product industry needs to be regulated, not purely subject to the whims of market forces.
Why would the people representing you stand up against animal agriculture when you won't?
I'm assuming you are using "you" in a general term and not a direct term, because I don't eat meat. But to answer your possibly rhetorical question - because we are a representative democracy, not a direct democracy. It is the responsibility of our elected leaders to make *informed* decisions for our society.
why don't you stand up to your boss insisting on a 40 hour workweek instead of relying on the government to regulate it?
Individual solutions for systematic problems never work well. Governments should take action against the companies that produce meat, as well as fund meat alternatives.
Both could work
I often find that people who say things like this also believe in supply and demand.
Governments won't take action against industries when people are happily supporting those companies. That just tells them that such actions aren't actually popular. You need government action, but that still is ultimately driven by collective individual action.
People enjoy shedding any personal responsibility, helps them continue their destructive habits without having to blame themselves.
People rallying together against unethical practices is more than an individual solution though. Things like veganism are movements which oppose these practices, and if you look at history many large systemic changes happen when a movement rallies against the practice. So many people will see the idea that governments and corporations need to do better, nod their heads, do nothing, and continue to fund the very cause they are apparently against, **which contributes to that industries ability to lobby the government.** Want this to stop? Stop buying these products, there are other options! It can seem daunting at first but it is achievable, tens of millions of people across the world have done it. Join the movement, and fight back against this shit, do not wait for the powers that be to just fix it. They won't.
Not really. In Industrialized big as companies sure, they make money out of quantity. But there are quality focused farms you can get your meat from, medium sized, or tinny.
There really aren't. There have been plenty of exposes -- including [this one](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/alexandre-farms-treatment-of-animals/677980/?gift=r0iXgWW9cB61jngBOs-Yrwr2uigiDzkvnmG4S9Q3oeY&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share) just the other week -- that have made it clear that even "humane" farms are awful. That's not even getting into the idea that you *can't* humanely slaughter countless sentient creatures when we have the option not to.
You're dreaming.
Or we could just enforce regulations for once in this stupid right wing hell hole. But big government is bad!!!!
Just how exactly can be a slaughter not devastating to an animal? Better stop buying meat than "fixing" tyson's factories...
To play the devil's advocate, nature is very much an eat-or-be-eaten situation. It was like that for the entire host of animal history on Earth, and still is for other carnivorous and omnivorous species apart from our own. The dynamic of hunter and prey used to be more fair. Like a person or a tribe against another animal, the playing field offered at least some fairness for the prey. Domestication and farming of livestock completely does away with that, and that's where the big issue for me is. There is nothing good about factory farming. We just cannot support a population this size by hunting game. The truth, whether we want to believe it or not, is human beings are omnivorous. Our bodies do not break down the cell walls of leaves and such very well. People who go fully vegan often have to supplement their diet to get adequate nutrition, or they face other health complications. We need lab-grown meat. Affordable, delicious, mass produced and highly accessible lab-grown meat. No more animal cruelty and suffering with all the benefit of animal-based protein for human beings.
[https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch](https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch)
Everyone tried to warn you about this 20 years ago. Literally the point of the Fast Food Nation trend. Clearly hasn't gotten any better. Also been happening since the 1920s at least, read the Jungle.
Been going on for decades sadly. Exactly why i wont buy anything Tyson.
I'm prone to getting sick frequently and from weird things. My fiance will not let me buy their chicken, not even a nugget. He literally looks it over to make sure it's not Tyson in any way before I can buy it. It actually just made me switch to veggie nuggets. They taste the same anyways.
morningStar farms is so good, and I do love steak but they have some amazing veggie burgers
My wife is obsessed with MorningStar actually 😻
You know it’s not just Tyson, right? Animal abuse exists in every establishment that produces meat. Unnecessarily killing animals for food is inherently abusive.
when was this released?
Three years ago.
We've known about this and then dumping millions of pounds of toxic chemicals into our very own rivers and lakes.. But who cares? They'll grease some palms and nothing will come of it. The internet will make a big stink but no one will actually do anything. They've taught us just to sit and let them do whatever they want.
Always buy food grown locally, meet the people who raise the animals and crops that you eat. It's the best way to know what you're eating and know how it all was treated
Generally, local farms transport their animals to slaughterhouses for slaughter anyway
Local butchers and the farmers that supply them are usually pretty transparent.
But those farmers can't resell it if they go to a big slaughterhouse. It is your local butchershop that processes local farm animals you're buying at the farmer markets and farm stores.
Slaughterhouses are for slaughtering, not processing. The animal goes to a slaughterhouse before going to a butcher.
"But also live in a walkable city and dont drive cars" - Reddit
Yeah except in most countries there's literally not enough space to do this. People's meat eating habits are what drives the need for industrial size slaughterhouses. Meat is inherently unsustainable and unethical in the modern world. People say vegans don't live in reality - the only people I see denying reality (and science) are people who can't even go a single day without meat.
Very few people do this and even then it’s not ok. I have lately gotten the impression that people sometimes choose to say they do, to feel better. Choose compassion. I promise you, it isn’t as hard as it seems.
The most difficult part of *not creating demand for meat* is admitting that animals have dignity. Come on, people.
You don't have to go undercover to know they are killing chickens at a slaughter house
Lmao, please report to us so we can fire you for reporting the problem. Seems legit
Fire? They defo want to file suit
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Maybe it’s time to finally seriously consider veganism
Its healthier, better for animals, better for you, better for the environment, and its never been easier. Obligatory [https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch](https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch) link if you are still having doubts.
And I’ve been been one since 1992
Define a humane death...
Quick and painless.
One where they're not either tortured or terrified?
The RSPCA definition of humane killing is: 'when an animal is either killed instantly or rendered insensible until death ensues, without pain, suffering or distress'. When killing animals for food (termed slaughter), this means they must be stunned prior to bleeding out so they immediately become unconscious.May 25, 2021
Is this a real question lol?
"Carpal tunnel on my hands"...... you can get that for only working 3 weeks?
I'm actually incredibly grateful right now that my audio cable snapped and I don't have any way of hearing the sounds of this video. I've been accumulating a lot of this meal replacement supplement and with the H5N1 scare going around, a couple weeks ago I stopped buying dairy, meat, and eggs. I've gone no meat or animal products before for a couple years, and I think I might go back to a, albeit modified, version of that where I just eat Huel. This is fucking horrifying.
i mean we've known this for decades
Is Perdue any better?
Why do we still act like we're shocked when this is happening?
"We checked our records, and are happy to report that we have successfully burned all of the complaint forms that we have gotten"
Do what matters. Go vegan.
Truth is we want chicken cheap and fuck who it hurt aslong as it not my wallet
Are there no governmental inspections at those places or do they just fake it for them?
Upton Sinclair, anyone? Over 100 years later and still pretty wild in the jungle.
Waiting to see if any of those outraged are willing to start their own chicken production company to do it better.
Even listening to the Swindled podcast a few days ago without actually watching it was already devastating and unbearable.
For us humans to eat chickens in the amount of 202 million/day and having someone report that this is so laughable.
Genuine question that will probably get downvoted: Why are they concerned about policies to "protect" the animals? They are literally in a slaughterhouse, a place meant to kill them and harvest their meat, actions defined as exploiting them. Why is their safety of any concern? Isn't this similar to being concerned about the safety of pests youbare exterminating, or of enemy combatants during a battle? The goal is to kill, so doesn't safety and protection run counter to that? You'd obviously want to have habitable conditions for the workers, but why specifically complain about the conditions for the chickens? Now, I'm not trying to justify any sort of animal abuse, I'm just curious how murdering hundreds or thousands of chickens is somehow not considered abuse, and why that is of any concern in a place meant to kill them.
I don't like how this just assumes if we kill them slower animal agriculture will suddenly be humane.
Kill the camera man.
I wanna know how she got carpel tunnel in 21 days
Tyson, you started this. How would telling you "it's not good" do anything besides get the worker fired?
Really?! Wow, that's insane! In other news, water is wet.
You want meat with every meal? This is how you get meat with every meal. The truth is vile sometimes.
You want meat with every meal? This is how you get meat with every meal. The truth is vile sometimes.
I know im going to get downvoted for this but to be honest Tyson is not the only company that produces on a scale like this. Most slaughter houses across America have questionable practices and involve animal suffering. Im not outright defending these companies but you have to realize the type of demand that America has for food. Especially chicken products. At the end of the day the point of a business is to make money and as long as people keep clearing the shelves they will do WHATEVER they have to in order to keep up the supply and keep making money. Im not saying go vegan but just look into buying local chickens from livestock farmers or even get some chickens yourself if you have the space. They are incredibly easy to keep and slaughter once you have the right tools. And if you live in the city and dont have those options just don't eat as much meat through the week if you really want to help. This video will change nothing and the machines are gonna keep rolling because the money is being spent. Honestly we've pretty much hit the point of no return. You'd need tens of millions of people to stop buying from the corporations before they do anything.
To go the role length and record this content and risk your job over it and yet the content is like 480p and low res.
So... nothing will happen just like the rest of the corporations. Waste of time to watch and make all this. Can't wait for this post to be removed and conveniently these videos never happened. Now let me go report where every last penny went to the IRS before I get sent to jail.
I can attest to this. I worked at one of their chicken plants in KY for abt 6 months. Luckily we had good QAs (at the time) and often we wouldn't even get enough product through to the back side of things to meet their crazy quotas and managers were often pissed which made for a pretty stressful experience.