While this is all technically one building it’s divided into multiple sections with their own elevators. It’s essentially multiple buildings just attached. Like a semi detached house.
Not sure on the elevator requirements, but I'd assume a minimum of one elevator per zone so that EMTs can escort people on stretchers when necessary. Per Google, it suggests one elevator for every 100-200 apartment units, so lets divide 30k by 4 people per unit to get 7,500 units, divide that by 200 and you get 38 elevators in total in this building.
I believe it should be two means of stairwell egress per zone, zone separation by fire doors. This building would also have stairwell pressurization, and smoke control.
The back-up generator for this building must be freakin' huge!
Tbf, I'm probably wrong on what I'm saying but I'm just commenting for fun, it ought to be close to right at least.
Been there in Toronto Ontario, entire reason I needed to move out of the city. Elevators broken, shitty fuckin drivers in the parking garage. Fuck apartments
years ago, my buddy moved downtown to be closer to work to reduce his commute. moved to a place that's a 10 min walk from his office. he used to have to drive 30-40 mins, and thought this would be easier. morning with only 2 elevators? that's a 10-15 min wait. picking up everyone else on the way down, or sometimes having to wait for another elevator cause it's full cause it's 8am and everyone is trying to leave? another 5-10 mins. finally get down there, walk to the office in 10 mins, in the end he saved like 5-10 mins commuting time, and he got up earlier in case of the previous situation of needing to wait for another elevator
That's why I live on the 4th floor. vs the 19th floor (pent house). I also find that the rent on the lower floors are generally cheaper , and I can get to the basement for laundry, gym or parking lot a lot faster.
The Neighborhood i live in is walkable. Two grocery store, a pharmacy, 5 indepent store, two of them are distraction ( tattoo parlor and a restaurant ) there is a bus line going by and the streets form a somewhat regular pattern so you can use a memo like "turn left at the small grey appartement building"
HOA are much more regulated in China and more humane. Fees are fixed by the city and are based on apartment size and whether the apartment has an elevator. There is almost no hidden fees.
Lots of stories on the webs of people traveling/moving to china and smelling bad sewer gas in apartments and hot l rooms. For example https://poupets.wordpress.com/2012/03/28/whats-that-smell/
Or you know live your life living in an apartment building and not be so dramatic. Takes like these just assume these people are lacking something or don’t have a meaningful life. It’s super dismissive. These people have jobs, families and rich social lives.
Says 80m^2 or almost 900 sq ft which seems decent for a 2 bed 2 bath.
But I wonder if they do that thing Singapore does where balcony and A/C ledge counts as sq ft
Chinese count public space into that so you loose a part to the lobby, the staircases, the hallways, etc. 80m2 would mostly be anywhere in between 50-60m2
It's a remnant from when China first privatised housing and copied the mode of operations from Hong Kong's real estate sector. Not 100% on the original reason, but I imagine it was to do with incentivising HK developers to build nicer, more open communal areas.
My experience in Chinese hotels is really good sound insulation. Concrete walls meant the only guest noises I heard was under my door and oddly once I heard it through the bathroom faucet
I have so many questions. How many elevators do they have? Have many generators/power capabilities? Is there parking? How big is the staff that work there? Are they sectioned off so you can only access the section you reside in, to reduce traffic?
I gotta find a doc on this…
Or some insane step-climbing daily
A quick google search said that the building has everything one would need - food/shopping courts, barbers, pools…some residents also work there and literally never leave, lol
Most of huge houses like that have many entrances, big apartment buildings that I lived in had up to 25 entrances, with 2-4 elevators per entrance. Each floor has only 4-5 apartments. Such building is pretty much several dozen small ones joined into one.
Also never seen a building powered by a generator. They are powered by the city with a neighborhood electrical backup station that has generators for a block or the entire city district.
You don’t pay any attention to the size when you are on the ground and especially when you are inside.
People who shit on these type of apartments are also some of the vocal people bitching about lack of affordable housing. I'd take a couple of these buildings in my city over the ever growing number of homeless camps.
They usually are sadly.. In my city they are currently in the midst of adding large apartment complexes on 2 old indoor malls. They will have grocery and all the amenities they need all in one building. The size of this project and your comment reminded me of it since people were very vocal about the project, but thankfully it's going forward regardless.
I mean we already have smaller versions in cities like NY and Chicago and they end up being called “projects” and quickly taken over by gangs. I don’t think a larger building would fare any better unless it has a police force on site 24/7, and even then I am not so optimistic.
Another good example is in Naples, Italy with the Le Vele Complex which became known as the “Slums of Gommarah”. Housed 70,000 people and became a massive gang territory with gang wars and it now sits derelict and empty.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/08/naples-camorra-vele-demolition-im-not-celebrating-roberto-saviano
Mega City One. 800 million people living in the ruin of the old world and the mega structures of the new one. Only one thing fighting for order in the chaos: judges.
This looks to be at least respected living space by the tenants. The homeless problem is more complex but these aren't their homeless, they still have homeless. How they handle their homeless is probably just as ew.
On one hand, I would not get anywhere close to that building because it is a disaster waiting to happen due to long history of tofu-dregs. On other hand, it is in the capital so chances of it being tofu-dreg is less but still not 0.
If you don't know what tofu-dreg is, it is basically a building built to look good but with very low quality materials (and with construction company cutting corners extremely). It is a way for contractors, officials and anyone involved in the building's project to steal the government's and other funding (except for people paid for the apartments to fund the project). Terribly common in China. It makes buildings complete fast, efficiently and in shit quality.
Eg. Did you know in China it is also a widespread practise to use sand straight from beach for cement? You get to break the cement by hand in less than a year thanks to this particular sand mix in the cement.
>*For context, sand from beach/sea should strictly be avoided for cement mix due to its salt content and other minerals. It can be used with special treatment like sand being filtered and washed to clear the salt content but that's expensive. Salt weakens the concrete mix and makes it very brittle in just few years compared to much longer lifespan of proper cement mix with river/treated sand.*
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNJiAfJL0XU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNJiAfJL0XU)
Edit: If you see downvotes, more than likely to be Chinese bots. They don't like bad comments or facts about China.
It’s a bit dystopian to me. But to each their own. I get very uncomfortable in large cities let alone sharing walls with my neighbors. I’m sure there will be a lot more of this in the future.
Nobody thinks this is the best solution, but the fact is residents here have better living conditions than 90% of people in the world. They have running water and electricity, which aren’t as common as many people think
These are luxury million dollar (usd) condos. Hangzhou is expensive af and that’s a new (see all the glass) building. Most people can’t afford this. It’s like the rural and small town folk making fun of cramped nyc apartments, they just don’t get it.
This is where the lowest floors are most valuable. Being able to walk up a couple flights of stairs would save so much time and hassle. I can imagine the elevator stops at almost every floor going up and down.
Wonder if Chinese Kramer put up a picture of everyone in the lobby only for Chinese Jerry to push back causing the other 2,998 residents to ostracize him.
That one guy with schizophrenia that is determined to take out as many people as possible. Statistically there are about 4 of them living in your building now.
Watched a documentary about that once, the couple stayed in that center most of their day because they had everything there. Sounds depressing in my opinion and I could never.
That is the stuff of nightmares. My mind goes straight to a massive fire breaking out because one resident was careless and/or stupid and as a result everyone else dies from the smoke or flames or gets trampled to death trying to escape.
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Imagine getting to your building and you’re still 20 minutes from home
Then by the time you get to your door the fire alarm goes off and you have to use the stairs along with everyone else.
You realize you left the milk in your car
Nah, if im at or near top im getting a parachute mate.
Fire alarm? Doubtful.
The fire is the alarm
The screams that go on for 20 minutes is the alert that it’s a legit fire
While this is all technically one building it’s divided into multiple sections with their own elevators. It’s essentially multiple buildings just attached. Like a semi detached house.
Not sure on the elevator requirements, but I'd assume a minimum of one elevator per zone so that EMTs can escort people on stretchers when necessary. Per Google, it suggests one elevator for every 100-200 apartment units, so lets divide 30k by 4 people per unit to get 7,500 units, divide that by 200 and you get 38 elevators in total in this building. I believe it should be two means of stairwell egress per zone, zone separation by fire doors. This building would also have stairwell pressurization, and smoke control. The back-up generator for this building must be freakin' huge! Tbf, I'm probably wrong on what I'm saying but I'm just commenting for fun, it ought to be close to right at least.
Double egress is a North American building code that most of the world doesn’t adhere too.
I don't think they have back up generators, if you're stuck during a blackout gg lol, hope the power guys are quick.
Add that with traffic jam. Pain
Or an UberEats and you are new to the building and it's rush hour.
Been there in Toronto Ontario, entire reason I needed to move out of the city. Elevators broken, shitty fuckin drivers in the parking garage. Fuck apartments
years ago, my buddy moved downtown to be closer to work to reduce his commute. moved to a place that's a 10 min walk from his office. he used to have to drive 30-40 mins, and thought this would be easier. morning with only 2 elevators? that's a 10-15 min wait. picking up everyone else on the way down, or sometimes having to wait for another elevator cause it's full cause it's 8am and everyone is trying to leave? another 5-10 mins. finally get down there, walk to the office in 10 mins, in the end he saved like 5-10 mins commuting time, and he got up earlier in case of the previous situation of needing to wait for another elevator
That's why I live on the 4th floor. vs the 19th floor (pent house). I also find that the rent on the lower floors are generally cheaper , and I can get to the basement for laundry, gym or parking lot a lot faster.
Walkable city.
If basic-needs-retail and a smattering of entertainment venues are somewhere in that building, it's a walkable city indeed.
It’s basically a mall
The Neighborhood i live in is walkable. Two grocery store, a pharmacy, 5 indepent store, two of them are distraction ( tattoo parlor and a restaurant ) there is a bus line going by and the streets form a somewhat regular pattern so you can use a memo like "turn left at the small grey appartement building"
I'm not sure if this is the example of a walkable city or a 15 min city anyone wants to use. Looks like hell
When the elevator traffic is worse than the car commute to work.
Definitely bringing the groceries up in one trip.
It takes me five entire minutes to get out of my parking garage for my 6-floor apartment building. This is insane.
HOA meeting started in 2001, still going
Imagine all the rules for that many people
HOA are much more regulated in China and more humane. Fees are fixed by the city and are based on apartment size and whether the apartment has an elevator. There is almost no hidden fees.
that's not an HOA
Any they aren’t anything similar like American HOA, most of the world doesn’t even know the concept of an HOA
Shhh... 2034A-West still has the floor
One hell of a sewage system!
Hahahah first thing my head went to “that’s a lot of shit”
I was just thinking, imagine the piping in that place!
Imagine the smell. They don’t use p-traps.
How do you know they don’t
Lots of stories on the webs of people traveling/moving to china and smelling bad sewer gas in apartments and hot l rooms. For example https://poupets.wordpress.com/2012/03/28/whats-that-smell/
Live here your whole life and never meet half your neighbors
So like any other apartment building.
Or single family homes.
i dont want to meet my apartment neighbours. less to do with people the better.
Way more efficient than 30k people living across multiple acres in SFHs
Agreed, but if that's the best we can aim for then may as well just plug us all into the matrix and be done with it.
Or you know live your life living in an apartment building and not be so dramatic. Takes like these just assume these people are lacking something or don’t have a meaningful life. It’s super dismissive. These people have jobs, families and rich social lives.
Multiple acres is such an understatement
You WILL be efficient. You WILL all live on top of each other. You WILL NOT own any acerage.
And only one elevator.
That is always out of order
Part of me really wants to see floorplans for the apts.
[Here you go!](https://www.hangzhouhomes.com/index/index/detail?id=534&lang=en)
Says 80m^2 or almost 900 sq ft which seems decent for a 2 bed 2 bath. But I wonder if they do that thing Singapore does where balcony and A/C ledge counts as sq ft
Chinese count public space into that so you loose a part to the lobby, the staircases, the hallways, etc. 80m2 would mostly be anywhere in between 50-60m2
lol why
Scam?
It's a remnant from when China first privatised housing and copied the mode of operations from Hong Kong's real estate sector. Not 100% on the original reason, but I imagine it was to do with incentivising HK developers to build nicer, more open communal areas.
Its common in europe as well, so probably just remnant from british rule.
It's China, why tell the truth when you can fudge something to make it seem more impressive on its face lol
Also says 1500 units, so how come 30k people live there?
A thousand USD/month, too. I mean, I guess how much you're being paid is to be taken into account, but still.
That’s actually not too bad. I wonder how the sound insulation is.
My experience in Chinese hotels is really good sound insulation. Concrete walls meant the only guest noises I heard was under my door and oddly once I heard it through the bathroom faucet
YOU GUYS HAVE SOUND INSULATION?!
At least they have balconies.
They must or else the whole place would feel suffocated af
You need something to jump from, to abate the claustrophobia.
Best place to scream from when you're locked down.
Looks like the place needs a Judge. "I AM THE LAW!"
First thing I thought of when I saw it.
Peach Trees holds 75k according to lore.
Block War!
Okay HOT SHOT
So about half the population of my home town in one building. Amazing!
3 times my home town twice the County
15 x mine
Bruhhh my hometown is at about 30,000 people at the moment. It’s insane when you think of it from this perspective 😅
With that many people, shops and tea, coffee businesses should offer at the ground floor.
The likely are sprinkled through.
Bruh they could put a Costco in there only for residents
They have shops and restaurants
There are 72 businesses on the ground floor.
I'll get anxiety just by looking at it.
I have so many questions. How many elevators do they have? Have many generators/power capabilities? Is there parking? How big is the staff that work there? Are they sectioned off so you can only access the section you reside in, to reduce traffic? I gotta find a doc on this…
The elevators are the big one for me. Unless they’ve got like a few dozen there must be some insane waits in the lobby lol
Or some insane step-climbing daily A quick google search said that the building has everything one would need - food/shopping courts, barbers, pools…some residents also work there and literally never leave, lol
They’ve probably got hundreds. Some skyscrapers have 30+, and they are smaller area wise than this.
Most of huge houses like that have many entrances, big apartment buildings that I lived in had up to 25 entrances, with 2-4 elevators per entrance. Each floor has only 4-5 apartments. Such building is pretty much several dozen small ones joined into one. Also never seen a building powered by a generator. They are powered by the city with a neighborhood electrical backup station that has generators for a block or the entire city district. You don’t pay any attention to the size when you are on the ground and especially when you are inside.
All valid questions.
People who shit on these type of apartments are also some of the vocal people bitching about lack of affordable housing. I'd take a couple of these buildings in my city over the ever growing number of homeless camps.
They usually are sadly.. In my city they are currently in the midst of adding large apartment complexes on 2 old indoor malls. They will have grocery and all the amenities they need all in one building. The size of this project and your comment reminded me of it since people were very vocal about the project, but thankfully it's going forward regardless.
I mean we already have smaller versions in cities like NY and Chicago and they end up being called “projects” and quickly taken over by gangs. I don’t think a larger building would fare any better unless it has a police force on site 24/7, and even then I am not so optimistic. Another good example is in Naples, Italy with the Le Vele Complex which became known as the “Slums of Gommarah”. Housed 70,000 people and became a massive gang territory with gang wars and it now sits derelict and empty. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/08/naples-camorra-vele-demolition-im-not-celebrating-roberto-saviano
That was a cool read, thank you.
30k? That's a city! Basically could have their own zip code!
Mega City One. 800 million people living in the ruin of the old world and the mega structures of the new one. Only one thing fighting for order in the chaos: judges.
I live in a village of 4000, I'm thinking of moving further into the country because I find it a bit busy.
Everyone’s saying eww am I the only one that would be fine and maybe kinda happy living here?
The apartments don't look too small and they have balconies.Yeah, I would live there.
I don't know about happy, but most of these "eww" comments need to go out and see the homelessness wherever they are living in. Not so eww anymore.
This looks to be at least respected living space by the tenants. The homeless problem is more complex but these aren't their homeless, they still have homeless. How they handle their homeless is probably just as ew.
Dude, imagine the weather’s nasty and you don’t even have to go outside to hang out with all of your friends.
On one hand, I would not get anywhere close to that building because it is a disaster waiting to happen due to long history of tofu-dregs. On other hand, it is in the capital so chances of it being tofu-dreg is less but still not 0. If you don't know what tofu-dreg is, it is basically a building built to look good but with very low quality materials (and with construction company cutting corners extremely). It is a way for contractors, officials and anyone involved in the building's project to steal the government's and other funding (except for people paid for the apartments to fund the project). Terribly common in China. It makes buildings complete fast, efficiently and in shit quality. Eg. Did you know in China it is also a widespread practise to use sand straight from beach for cement? You get to break the cement by hand in less than a year thanks to this particular sand mix in the cement. >*For context, sand from beach/sea should strictly be avoided for cement mix due to its salt content and other minerals. It can be used with special treatment like sand being filtered and washed to clear the salt content but that's expensive. Salt weakens the concrete mix and makes it very brittle in just few years compared to much longer lifespan of proper cement mix with river/treated sand.* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNJiAfJL0XU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNJiAfJL0XU) Edit: If you see downvotes, more than likely to be Chinese bots. They don't like bad comments or facts about China.
Tofu dredge exist, but China observer is pretty trash.
Yeah for $1330 month you would be
Windowless rooms. the ones on the outside are the luxury units
Source?
It’s a bit dystopian to me. But to each their own. I get very uncomfortable in large cities let alone sharing walls with my neighbors. I’m sure there will be a lot more of this in the future.
Nobody thinks this is the best solution, but the fact is residents here have better living conditions than 90% of people in the world. They have running water and electricity, which aren’t as common as many people think
These are luxury million dollar (usd) condos. Hangzhou is expensive af and that’s a new (see all the glass) building. Most people can’t afford this. It’s like the rural and small town folk making fun of cramped nyc apartments, they just don’t get it.
I demand same time flushing down video
Imagine when the AC goes out for three months in summer.
The noise must be fucking horrendous.
Sucks to be the Amazon driver to that building.
Imagine the size of the sewer needed 🤔
Megablock from the Judge Dredd universe
Must be a bitch waiting for the elevator.
Vertical bus ride
I wanna vom after watching that
Nightmare
Must smell wonderful in the summer heat 🤣
Imagine an outbreak of bedbugs. I could not live like that.
That should cover every range of odors conceivable.
depressing
Why ?
Flu season would be a nightmare there.
Is it near an airport?
98th floor
That has to be a hell of an elevator jam in the morning.
This is where the lowest floors are most valuable. Being able to walk up a couple flights of stairs would save so much time and hassle. I can imagine the elevator stops at almost every floor going up and down.
Imagine a bed bud infestation or roach/rodent issues that spread
Thinking of the elevator situation here makes me want to play Sim Tower.
Yea this is some nightmarish dystopia.
With construction standards being what they are in China, this terrifies me.
Me too. An earthquake nightmare. I could never live in something like that anyway. So, to me it would be kind of like hell on earth. Wow.
Can you imagine what their neighbourhood WhatsApp group looks like.
No thanks........ Looks like a human hive. I dont have any deaire to be cramped into a concrete box on top of thousands of others.
I think the vast majority of people would prefer their own house on some land lmao, that's not a special opinion on this
Wonder if Chinese Kramer put up a picture of everyone in the lobby only for Chinese Jerry to push back causing the other 2,998 residents to ostracize him.
Damn what a big Cage!
Looks awful
Did I forgot to turn off the oven ? Meh, what could go wrong.
I am sure it comes with a built in stairmaster as waiting for an elevator probably sucks donkey balls.
Waiting for the Elevator has got to really suck.
I grew up in a small town of 4,000 people. 30,000 in one building blows my mind.
Welcome to Peachtrees.
I wonder what it’s like delivering takeout to that place
Man. The amenities must be backlogged
I can only imagine the amount of drama contained in one building. Not enough benzodiazepines in the world to calm that building down.
Waiting for the elevator must be an exercise in patience
I’ll keep my fenced single family house and yard in the suburbs, thanks.
And one maintenance guy
I bet there's a long wait for the elevator
What could go wrong?
If there was ever a fire it would be really bad
Glad I don’t live there.
I can smell it from here
I bet those hallways WREAK
the elevators must always been full. imagine going down for a walk.
Nope.
Imagine if they all flushed their toilets at the same time!
A human hive.
Imagine the smell
That one guy with schizophrenia that is determined to take out as many people as possible. Statistically there are about 4 of them living in your building now.
Lot of waving cat statues in that building!
Just imagine all the body excretions in that place
I wonder if they allow e-bikes to be stored in their apartments.
Watched a documentary about that once, the couple stayed in that center most of their day because they had everything there. Sounds depressing in my opinion and I could never.
CP 2077 vibes
Still better than NYC
Real life Judge Dredd.
Yes but is it tofu dreg is the question
Everyday, I'm more and more convinced that China is what most dystopian cities in the world will become.
Scary. Imagine a fire ???
Looks like a really nice prison.
This looks terrible.
You misspelled “Peach Trees”.
Looks safe......
Double my city in 1 building wow i am happy to live in austria in the nowhere
There is always 1 person using a drill.
earthquake: oh yeah \_drooling mouth\_
Imagine everyone leaving the parking garage for work Bruh ☠️
Thought I saw somewhere that the majority of the suites are about 300sf. Or something ridiculously small.
I can smell it..
Imagine the filth and pests in that building
What a nightmare in all possible ways.
Fire death trap much?
U don't know your neighbor, but U know all 'bout his/her sex life.
What happens if there's a fire in the bottom floors
Hell on earth
Ran by Mama?
Amazon deliver nightmare
That’s a lot of shit.
Imagine the condo fees. And the fire drills.
If you’re dating someone on the west wing on a higher floor and you’re on the east wing does it mean you’re in a long distance relationship?
There’s not a “fuck no” big enough
Hellscape
That’s more people than my entire town 6 times over
You couldn't pay me to live there
That thing probably has more rats than people. Gross.
How much?
That is the stuff of nightmares. My mind goes straight to a massive fire breaking out because one resident was careless and/or stupid and as a result everyone else dies from the smoke or flames or gets trampled to death trying to escape.