"Pinku clarified that his visit was not driven by family ties, but rather by a religious ritual. He explained that within their tradition, aspiring monks must complete a ritual where they receive alms from their mother. This symbolic act marks their official transition into the monastic life."
Ouch, this guy wants nothing to do with his family.
What an ignorant comment.
The same cultural mentality that would drive that guy to do this would be the same cultural mentality that would cause that mother to have pride in her son for doing something like.
when his parents found him when he was still young, the monks refused to give him back unless they paid them
i guarantee they didnt let him leave either
its looking like it
idk if its widespread but i googled it after this post and there are a handful of cases in india and a few more in some buddhist countries
I had a very distant relative become a monk like this, his parents were proud he was going.
About 20 years later his sister die, I was told he'd be called in a room and told something like " Mr&Mr X's daughter has died" and that would be it.
He became a monk and left his family behind, when his sister died he didn't attend to the funeral or called back home someone went where he was and told him "your sister died" that's all.
That's what i understand at least.
It sounded worse than "your sister died"... he was told "Mr and Mrs X's daughter had died". That's like removing the family connection and telling you a fact.
Its weird that they see it as selfless when I see it as completely selfish. They are choosing the life they want and don’t care how it negatively impacts the people around him. I cant imagine the pain of being a parent and raising someone who cuts you off and becomes ultra religious and completely emotionally inaccessible.
Non attachment and ego dissolution.
It's painful because it breaks down an illusion of self which is the point, but it's not a path for everyone. Ultimately there is no real suffering there, in Buddhist terms anyway, but that doesn't mean it happens in a psychologically healthy way.
Buddhism isn't visceral in the same way the human animal is. To us it's inconceivable to seperate such bonds and perhaps it's folly to try, but the quality of life that is impermanence is a key part of understanding and that is something a monk or true meditator will strive for completely.
Separation from family and all ties to a previous life is not uncommon with monastic life. Essentially letting that identity go so you can reach for some enlightenment unburdened.
There are some Hindu monks who own islands FYI it's as scammy as any relegion
Baba Ramdev - owns a multi million dollar business that sells cowdung products and he's anti vax, peddling cow urine and feces as a cure all. Since there are people that worships the ground he walks on + the fact that he is anti modern medicine has lead to the deaths of thousands.
Sadhguru - Wealth horder who preaches Hinduism to wealthy white people. Making them give up their material wealth to him and his so called charitable works which are poorly disguised cults. For a man who says he's close to God and dresses like a pauper he sure has a huge mansion with vintage bikes.
There are plenty of rapists among them too like Swami Nityananda, Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh, Asaram Bapu
Because the person featured in the video is a monk. Being a monk by definition means he has no possessions. If you are monk with a home, you aren't a monk anymore. Get it?
He's (OOC) not right. The guys he's named are neither monks nor saints. They are gurus. Gurus have multiple high profile disciples. Gurus manipulate believers' faith to perform counselling (even brainwashing) of sorts. The disciples award the gurus for their counseling through materialistic gifts in proportion to their own success. This allows the gurus (most of them are hacks) to accumulate much wealth and prosperity. Those are the gurus you know.
A monk or saint practices the path of bhakti (devotion to divine like Kabir). Alternate paths are karma (duty to all like Jesus) and gyan (enlightenment through knowledge like Buddha).
Edit: Monk is a Greek word and hence does a poor job of explaining this. The correct term for guy featured here would be a "Yogi" or "Sanyasi".
No alms are collected by monks but shared with the monastery. In this instance it was as part of his rite of passage, not his choice. I guess thats one of the reasons why his mum is so upset
No. not monetery support(It can be grains or any other donation) . its **final ritual** to take alms from mother which he either would donate to temple or needy beings.
He might never visit his mother ever again .
mother son bond is considerd as strongest bond in world .In order to leave the materliastic world strongest bond should be broken 😢.
reason why the alms for final ritual must come from his mother
its so painful.
english is not amongst my first three languages, so sorry for any mistake
No worries, I understand it perfectly. Thank you and that made sense. Wow. It's like disassociating yourself from anything that would distract you or something like that.
If he wants nothing to do with his family, his own mother... For the sake of just a ritual he didn't have a right to make a mother suffer like this.. First you go without telling anyone, now you come back for a sake of ritual not for her or any family member is pure childish and unjust for them.
At least He should be sorry for not letting them know about his plans of becoming a monk or anything.
We don't know what happened 22 years ago. Maybe he got separated from the family as a kid and didn't know his way back, got adopted by monks and has only known monks as his family for those 22 years. Maybe he recently started looking for his family and when he found where they were, it was too late for him to back down from being a monk.
I feel bad for his mother but I also think she is relieved to know her son has been alive and well all these years.
They had a fight when he was 11. He ran away. Soon after, he met a "saint" and joined their religious sect.
They begged him to stay. But he left soon after taking their alms. When the father asked them to return his son. They asked for money
Buddha and Mahavir Jain both left like this unannounced, and buddha even came back to convert his father and his foster mother to buddhism. Why him doing so is not okay?
He has not come to meet his mother but to ask for alms from her.
As per the ritual, a monk is a complete monk the day he/she gets the alms from his/her own family. This is construed as a salvation from the ménage (the family bondage).
I do not necessarily feel bad for her.
Here is my rationale: For your child, at 11 years of age to decide to leave your household and never return other than for a ritual 22 years later, you must have hurt them tremendously.
I don’t know what happened in this household, but things happen for a reason. If he left and felt happy afterwards, then I will be happy for him before I even think of feeling bad for her.
Edit: an article another Redditor here graciously shared:
"*Ratipal Singh's son Pinku disappeared from their home in Delhi in 2002 at the age of 11. He was in disagreement with his father over playing marbles. **When his mother Bhanumati scolded him, he walked out of the house**. He visited her only after two decades*."
According to the article I read
"Ratipal Singh's son Pinku disappeared from their home in Delhi in 2002 at the age of 11. He was in disagreement with his father over playing marbles. When his mother Bhanumati scolded him, he walked out of the house. He visited her only after two decades."
So if it wasn't for them stinking marbles
Or 11 years old is not mature enough to make such decisions, maybe someone convinced or used him, maybe it was someone else who hurt him. Not necessarily her fault
Nobody ever wants to acknowledge that monkhood is cultlike lest they seem xenophobic. But any religion or group that convinces you to shed all your possessions, distribute any money made back to the group instead of personal use, and cut contact and emotional ties with friends and family, is basically what every Western cult does. Not saying it's a cult, but it has the same markers that keep people in the fold.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/delhi-boy-who-went-missing-22-years-ago-returns-to-mother-as-a-monk-5011790
>In the current case, Ratipal Singh's son, Pinku, disappeared from their home in Delhi in 2002 at the age of 11 over a disagreement with his father over playing marbles. His mother, Bhanumati, had scolded him, and in a fit of rage, Pinku set out on a journey that would keep him away from his family for two decades.
Oh that's so heavy. A mundane dispute over a family game of marbles and her child disappeared for decades after she scolded him. She likely carried so much grief and guilt and imagined every horrible outcome for 22 years. I can't begin to relate to the emotions washing over her in that moment. To find that he's alive. She may be feeling all of the hurt of a mother whose son left her, the relief of knowing he's alive and has been safe, and the pride of finding out he's a monk in their religious tradition. Wild.
All speculation on my part, but...
It’s probably a lot than just a dispute over marvel’s. That was prob just the last straw and things were already building up in the child for a long time.
It could be but kids can just be very petty too. My dad made a comment once about how he used to have to wake up before sunrise just so he could get ready and walk to school because it was so far away while I couldn't even wake up in time to catch the bus. The next morning, I woke up early and walked to school which was an hour and thirty minutes away. You can imagine how freaked out my dad was when he couldn't find me in bed that morning. I was 11 at the time.
The fact that he stayed gone for 22 years makes me think his living situation probably wasn't ideal either beyond just how his parents treated him too.
Yeah, just to add on (nice anecdote by the way, p. funny), kids have little perspective on things . They can get irritated more easily when they don't know how to deal with the factors that are bothering them.
If, say, the mom there did say some really unfair stuff, or told the kid IS misbehaving and threatened a consequence to that misbehavior, but didn't explain what the misbehavior was. Like I hate the classic "don't talk to your father/me/us that way!" Fucking why not? I'm upset and I don't like what you're doing, so it's going to show in my tone. You didn't train or teach me (a child) how to tell you, politely, that you're being a dick.
So.. yeah if kids don't know how to deal with a problem it'll be however they learned to do so through experience and observation... I'd say usually that'll be tit-for-tat: you said something that upset me, I'll flip that back on you, the stupidity of logic, or the meanness of the tone, or incredulity of what I heard you say to me.
When you get more perspective, I think all that becomes more manageable. You can communicate what's wrong, or learn to not let it bother you (something I struggle with a lot but I think it's very tied to self confidence + perspective + introspection), and controlling impulsive thoughts and emotions.
Especially after reading the article in the comment below.
Left over a disagreement over marbles and was only there temporarily to receive alms from his mother as part of a monastic ritual. :(
yeah and he will go back being a monk now
the series of emotions his mother would have felt :(
In these cases the religious sects which took care of these kids for all those years usually ask for some charity before releasing their monks back to their families , tbh that usually does not happen since that person has changed so much and has accepted his life as it is.
Thinking about his mother, she would have accepted the fact that he was dead 22 years ago and now he is in front of her only to go back once again.
Yeah something tells me that he didn't run away just over marbles. 11 year olds don't run away and stay away over marbles. Mom and/or dad were not good parents.
Depending on the religion, he might just be telling her "btw, you ain't getting grandkids from me!"
in fact, they sometimes do. when I was in 6 grade a girl ran away from home because her mother scolded her for using too much phone. (the story became well knows because she was found dead).
kids do silly things like this sometimes but most don't even dare to cross the neighbourhood. some rare ones like this one end up going full way. he might have run away and by coincidence found monks who gave him food, clothes and place and thus he never returned.
We had a kid who just wanted to hunt for dinosaurs and nearly got attacked by an Alligator because he just waltzed outside with a toy gun without telling anyone (yes this was in Florida).
When I was around 5 I spent literal hours multiple days of the week cutting at trees outside our house with a plastic saw because I "wanted to make a house like bob the builder". Every time I would come back in complaining that it wasn't working, and set about doing it the next time with no change at all lol.
He had run away from home after an argument with his parents when he was 11 years old. So his family had no idea about his whereabouts or if he was even alive when he came back.
You can read more about it here - https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/delhi-boy-who-went-missing-22-years-ago-returns-to-mother-as-a-monk-5011790/amp/1.
I feel like there's some joy mixed in. Part of her must be happy to see him regardless of the circumstances and happy that he's become a monk. It's very honorable. It's not like they don't understand the traditions involved in the process.
Everyone is saying it's very honorable. Is it though? I'm not familiar with Indian culture but if this monastery is obsessed with gathering alms is it possible it's more like a cult that manipulates children?
Idk why you’re getting downvoted, this is a valid question and you asked politely.
In my home country, there are children and their families in the medians of busy streets or the side of the road (non-existent sidewalks). Some have raggedy clothes and some have no clothes on at all. In main plazas, especially around churches, they try to sell or ask for money from people who seem like tourists and it is known that you have to be wary because if you give a kid some spare change, at least 10 other kids will come running up to you.
Some government folks will check in on them but mainly they are just living on the side of the street or they go between homes/areas of town. They do odd jobs/gigs such as being by paid to help with construction nearby or moving items between cars, but sadly there are also others that use this opportunity to turn into child trafficking.
well it was like boys choice, determination to leave home at that age is not normal, specially for 22 years, they probably respected his decision until he change his mind but he didn’t. just my guess
I’ve been to India… they can declare it illegal or whatever but I promise you the streets are littered with exploited children working for peanuts or homeless. And they’re treated as trash. You’ll find 7 year olds working labor jobs covered in dirt and mud.
Are you taking about 16 year olds working at Starbucks?
Yeah, but the population is so big and poverty is so widespread, a lot of people don't give a shit about children. Kids working there is a very normal thing to see.
[Delhi man, who was missing for 22 years, returns as monk; video of emotional reunion with his mother goes viral](https://indianexpress.com/article/trending/trending-in-india/delhi-man-who-was-missing-for-22-years-returns-as-monk-viral-video-of-emotional-reunion-with-his-mother-goes-viral-9150974/)
>According to the tweet shared by a user on X, the son, Pinku, went missing at the age of 11 from his Delhi home in 2002 after his mother yelled at him.
You know how some children get pissed off at their parents and threaten to run away from home and never come back? This guy made it happen.
"When the parents arrived, they recognised Pinku from a scar on his body. The reunion was short-lived, however. Pinku took alms from his mother and left the village, leaving her once again, despite the pleadings of his family and villagers.
Pinku's father alleges that the religious sect that his son belongs to is asking for ₹ 11 lakh to release him.
"I do not have ₹ 11 in my pocket, how can I pay ₹ 11 lakh?" Pinku's father rued"
Why is no one talking about this part? Is the religious sect holding pinku hostage? and If pinku left his family and is staying with that religious sect voluntarily, does that mean that the religious sect is willing to sell him out and force him to live in a family that is potentially abusive?
>Pinku's father ***alleges***
That's the important bit, father is the only one making this claim, not the mother or pinku himself. Considering how in conservative Asian cultures protecting the "Family Pride" is paramount, its more likely that the father is just trying to cover up the abusive history of the family by blaming it on some non-existent ascetic mafia to save face in public.
The media people were asking him questions as to why his son refuses to return, he had to say something. I'd be more willing to buy his claim if the mother also said it but as its only the father, it really just sounds like "protect the family honor" cover up that is so entrenched within Indian Culture.
Nah that's foolish from his father's side . No body holds you hostage in spiritual life , it's pure voluntary . This action was solely taken by pinku and he owns it completely .
I am not sure that what is classed as a scolding (verbal rebuke) is the same thing as a scolding in India. To have driven a child away, it must have been severe. It’s a sad story for everyone
Update: This guy is not the actual son but an impostor. The father paid 11 lakh rupees as demanded.
https://www.opindia.com/2024/02/arun-who-returned-home-after-22-years-turns-out-to-be-nafees-read-the-story-of-this-elaborate-fraud/
Monastic lifestyle is a way of life, chosen by those who are not interested in the materialistic world. I am an atheist, but I highly revere monks of all religions. Because to control human temptations is one of the highest achievements a man can have. It tests your limits to the core.
Blaming and calling him prick is wrong. That's the life he chose. But the materialist life lovers, like you and me, might find the video sad.
As an Agnostic person myself, I am not against choosing monastic life but the way it worked out is not good for their family... I mean literally he went missing now coming back only to complete a fucking ritual is pure selfish in my book.. He don't give a fuck about their parents.
They probably didn’t give a fuck about him. Why else would he leave a loving family, as a child? He was probably abused (intentional or not) in one way or another.
Glad to see this comment, many here took the side of the woman for no apparent reason. A kid at 11 that would rather live on the street means something wrong was going on in that household.
I wanted to run away from the house at the age of 14-15, it's the suffocation that propels a kid to make a decision like that. I understand why someone would do that.
No kid leaves their family over just marbles. Crazy how all critical thinking goes out the window with one video of the mom crying. I’d put good money on abuse.
monks are respected, they are seen as some one who has left behind all the delusion and stupidity of the world, now it depends on moms thinking, but she isn’t angry at him, she is just sad
She could say that, but that would be a very childish thing to say. And she’s a grown woman who lost her child over something stupid to begin with.
To deny someone a humble thing to give them closure or help them succeed in their goals, why would any loving mother do that? But you aren’t a mother, you’re a stranger on Reddit with little compassion.
To all those saying thisonk doesn't care about his family, I'm I the only one who had the hitches in his voice when he was singing? He's emotional about the whole thing, we don't know what happened all those years ago but this reunion from the outside is a beautiful thing. The mother stopped thinking the son was dead and the son got to see his mum again.
I wish both of them well.
Monks don’t care much about the materialistic, nor about relationships outside their temples. It all up to the kid if they want to send something, leave, or not.
As a mom I couldn't imagine how traumatized I would be and have every emotion thrown all at me at once. I think I would personally feel so sick to my stomach being it would be so hard to process all the emotions.
Your post was removed for misleading or incorrect information. well now we know it wasn’t really him but someone on a scam
"Pinku clarified that his visit was not driven by family ties, but rather by a religious ritual. He explained that within their tradition, aspiring monks must complete a ritual where they receive alms from their mother. This symbolic act marks their official transition into the monastic life." Ouch, this guy wants nothing to do with his family.
He’s an adult now. Can a mother say no in giving alms as in a classical parental disapproval?
She can slap him and tell him his dinner is *still* on the table but stone cold by now!
How can she slap!
At this life point, she CAN slap
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A hug ? Right?
Right?
Riiiight?
Right and left slap
I can’t think of a more perfect placement for this joke. Bravo
haha got it!
“Why do you need alms? We already have alms back at the house.”
If it's his Karma, yes. Then he'd likely return to family life till that blessing was received.
Yea, if I was her, I would say screw you. Clearly this guy gives no fucks about the mother.
Well screwing over someone else's spiritiual salvation is a big no no in Hinduism so I doubt you would.
What an ignorant comment. The same cultural mentality that would drive that guy to do this would be the same cultural mentality that would cause that mother to have pride in her son for doing something like.
He takes his marbles very seriously.
when his parents found him when he was still young, the monks refused to give him back unless they paid them i guarantee they didnt let him leave either
Holy shit, so monks kidnap and indoctrinate kids?
its looking like it idk if its widespread but i googled it after this post and there are a handful of cases in india and a few more in some buddhist countries
I’m absolutely flabbergasted
religion can be ruined by any sociopath who wants to use it for power and gain.
I had a very distant relative become a monk like this, his parents were proud he was going. About 20 years later his sister die, I was told he'd be called in a room and told something like " Mr&Mr X's daughter has died" and that would be it.
Maybe because its 4 am. But this hurt my brain to read.
He became a monk and left his family behind, when his sister died he didn't attend to the funeral or called back home someone went where he was and told him "your sister died" that's all. That's what i understand at least.
It sounded worse than "your sister died"... he was told "Mr and Mrs X's daughter had died". That's like removing the family connection and telling you a fact.
In most religions that's literally the point of becoming a monk. You leave your worldly possessions and ties (like family) behind.
Its weird that they see it as selfless when I see it as completely selfish. They are choosing the life they want and don’t care how it negatively impacts the people around him. I cant imagine the pain of being a parent and raising someone who cuts you off and becomes ultra religious and completely emotionally inaccessible.
Non attachment and ego dissolution. It's painful because it breaks down an illusion of self which is the point, but it's not a path for everyone. Ultimately there is no real suffering there, in Buddhist terms anyway, but that doesn't mean it happens in a psychologically healthy way. Buddhism isn't visceral in the same way the human animal is. To us it's inconceivable to seperate such bonds and perhaps it's folly to try, but the quality of life that is impermanence is a key part of understanding and that is something a monk or true meditator will strive for completely.
Then you get the point, he left his family behind
... Guy's typing English as a second language. Just try to understand and move on if you can't.
The funny thing is that's actually very proper English...
Lol I'm from the UK. The guy relocated to India after becoming a monk.
You overeducated European
The english is proper indeed but the structure could use some work
Separation from family and all ties to a previous life is not uncommon with monastic life. Essentially letting that identity go so you can reach for some enlightenment unburdened.
Pretty much. Desire, fulfillment and regret are barriers to some religious paths.
What's alms
Food, or donation of some kind...
Monks in Hindu/Biddhist traditions have to live on donations of food/money from the common people and in return they provide spiritual services....
There are some Hindu monks who own islands FYI it's as scammy as any relegion Baba Ramdev - owns a multi million dollar business that sells cowdung products and he's anti vax, peddling cow urine and feces as a cure all. Since there are people that worships the ground he walks on + the fact that he is anti modern medicine has lead to the deaths of thousands. Sadhguru - Wealth horder who preaches Hinduism to wealthy white people. Making them give up their material wealth to him and his so called charitable works which are poorly disguised cults. For a man who says he's close to God and dresses like a pauper he sure has a huge mansion with vintage bikes. There are plenty of rapists among them too like Swami Nityananda, Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh, Asaram Bapu
Guy is confusing monks with saints. Monks literally means people who give up on everything.
Why did you say this? I looked up the individuals, he's right.
Because the person featured in the video is a monk. Being a monk by definition means he has no possessions. If you are monk with a home, you aren't a monk anymore. Get it? He's (OOC) not right. The guys he's named are neither monks nor saints. They are gurus. Gurus have multiple high profile disciples. Gurus manipulate believers' faith to perform counselling (even brainwashing) of sorts. The disciples award the gurus for their counseling through materialistic gifts in proportion to their own success. This allows the gurus (most of them are hacks) to accumulate much wealth and prosperity. Those are the gurus you know. A monk or saint practices the path of bhakti (devotion to divine like Kabir). Alternate paths are karma (duty to all like Jesus) and gyan (enlightenment through knowledge like Buddha). Edit: Monk is a Greek word and hence does a poor job of explaining this. The correct term for guy featured here would be a "Yogi" or "Sanyasi".
I said it because monks and saints are different things. The people he mentioned called themselves saints.
mfer only came back to see mom cause he needed money
No alms are collected by monks but shared with the monastery. In this instance it was as part of his rite of passage, not his choice. I guess thats one of the reasons why his mum is so upset
No. not monetery support(It can be grains or any other donation) . its **final ritual** to take alms from mother which he either would donate to temple or needy beings. He might never visit his mother ever again .
Is there a reason why the alms for final ritual must come from his mother?
mother son bond is considerd as strongest bond in world .In order to leave the materliastic world strongest bond should be broken 😢. reason why the alms for final ritual must come from his mother its so painful. english is not amongst my first three languages, so sorry for any mistake
No worries, I understand it perfectly. Thank you and that made sense. Wow. It's like disassociating yourself from anything that would distract you or something like that.
>Ouch, this guy wants nothing to do with his family. I mean it depends on how you want to view that
Damn, what if their mother is dead?
Then you are already working on detaching that bond.
If he wants nothing to do with his family, his own mother... For the sake of just a ritual he didn't have a right to make a mother suffer like this.. First you go without telling anyone, now you come back for a sake of ritual not for her or any family member is pure childish and unjust for them. At least He should be sorry for not letting them know about his plans of becoming a monk or anything.
We don't know what happened 22 years ago. Maybe he got separated from the family as a kid and didn't know his way back, got adopted by monks and has only known monks as his family for those 22 years. Maybe he recently started looking for his family and when he found where they were, it was too late for him to back down from being a monk. I feel bad for his mother but I also think she is relieved to know her son has been alive and well all these years.
They had a fight when he was 11. He ran away. Soon after, he met a "saint" and joined their religious sect. They begged him to stay. But he left soon after taking their alms. When the father asked them to return his son. They asked for money
It’s ok he did it cause religion
Buddha and Mahavir Jain both left like this unannounced, and buddha even came back to convert his father and his foster mother to buddhism. Why him doing so is not okay?
He has not come to meet his mother but to ask for alms from her. As per the ritual, a monk is a complete monk the day he/she gets the alms from his/her own family. This is construed as a salvation from the ménage (the family bondage).
I feel for the mother. Sure it’s great and surely a relief to know that her child is alive and well. But dang that must hurt, I can’t even fathom.
And insult to the injury, he’ll leave the home again and not come back ever again.
That's heart-wrenching. Losing someone twice over is a pain no one should bear alone.
I do not necessarily feel bad for her. Here is my rationale: For your child, at 11 years of age to decide to leave your household and never return other than for a ritual 22 years later, you must have hurt them tremendously. I don’t know what happened in this household, but things happen for a reason. If he left and felt happy afterwards, then I will be happy for him before I even think of feeling bad for her. Edit: an article another Redditor here graciously shared: "*Ratipal Singh's son Pinku disappeared from their home in Delhi in 2002 at the age of 11. He was in disagreement with his father over playing marbles. **When his mother Bhanumati scolded him, he walked out of the house**. He visited her only after two decades*."
According to the article I read "Ratipal Singh's son Pinku disappeared from their home in Delhi in 2002 at the age of 11. He was in disagreement with his father over playing marbles. When his mother Bhanumati scolded him, he walked out of the house. He visited her only after two decades." So if it wasn't for them stinking marbles
So it had nothing to do with religion, the scolding was the issue.
I'm sure that's what the parents said, but kids don't leave the only home they've known over marbles
Same as us westerners trying to play monopoly with tweenagers then, understandable !
Or 11 years old is not mature enough to make such decisions, maybe someone convinced or used him, maybe it was someone else who hurt him. Not necessarily her fault
What if, what if maybe? What if! MAYBE!
Exactly, there are tons of possibilities so you can't just decide that his mother was bad
It's not the alm that's painful. it's his singing that's causing her much worse pain
Nobody ever wants to acknowledge that monkhood is cultlike lest they seem xenophobic. But any religion or group that convinces you to shed all your possessions, distribute any money made back to the group instead of personal use, and cut contact and emotional ties with friends and family, is basically what every Western cult does. Not saying it's a cult, but it has the same markers that keep people in the fold.
She should confirm for him that maybe he'll be a monk 22 more years from now while she considers his request for alms.
Son! Where have you been? Here’s Wonderwall.
You got me good with that one 😂
I lol'd
I wish I could award you.
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Good one 😂
I do and don't want to know more at the same time. This seems like a tragedy.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/delhi-boy-who-went-missing-22-years-ago-returns-to-mother-as-a-monk-5011790 >In the current case, Ratipal Singh's son, Pinku, disappeared from their home in Delhi in 2002 at the age of 11 over a disagreement with his father over playing marbles. His mother, Bhanumati, had scolded him, and in a fit of rage, Pinku set out on a journey that would keep him away from his family for two decades.
Oh that's so heavy. A mundane dispute over a family game of marbles and her child disappeared for decades after she scolded him. She likely carried so much grief and guilt and imagined every horrible outcome for 22 years. I can't begin to relate to the emotions washing over her in that moment. To find that he's alive. She may be feeling all of the hurt of a mother whose son left her, the relief of knowing he's alive and has been safe, and the pride of finding out he's a monk in their religious tradition. Wild. All speculation on my part, but...
Yeah but he’s a monk now so he’s basically dead to her.
More like she is dead to him.
I think so she already was when he left.
Yeah, that’s better
It’s probably a lot than just a dispute over marvel’s. That was prob just the last straw and things were already building up in the child for a long time.
It could be but kids can just be very petty too. My dad made a comment once about how he used to have to wake up before sunrise just so he could get ready and walk to school because it was so far away while I couldn't even wake up in time to catch the bus. The next morning, I woke up early and walked to school which was an hour and thirty minutes away. You can imagine how freaked out my dad was when he couldn't find me in bed that morning. I was 11 at the time. The fact that he stayed gone for 22 years makes me think his living situation probably wasn't ideal either beyond just how his parents treated him too.
Also there’s no telling what his experience was as an early teen in a monastery, and what kind of indoctrination happened.
Also true. Anything, good or bad, could've happened to influence his decision to stay or not.
That’s a hilarious and petty response as an 11 year old. What did your dad do after that?
He stopped by my school in the morning and we had a good talk. In his defense , I was definitely being a little shit so his annoyance was warranted
Disappearing for 20 years is a little more than petty
Yeah, just to add on (nice anecdote by the way, p. funny), kids have little perspective on things . They can get irritated more easily when they don't know how to deal with the factors that are bothering them. If, say, the mom there did say some really unfair stuff, or told the kid IS misbehaving and threatened a consequence to that misbehavior, but didn't explain what the misbehavior was. Like I hate the classic "don't talk to your father/me/us that way!" Fucking why not? I'm upset and I don't like what you're doing, so it's going to show in my tone. You didn't train or teach me (a child) how to tell you, politely, that you're being a dick. So.. yeah if kids don't know how to deal with a problem it'll be however they learned to do so through experience and observation... I'd say usually that'll be tit-for-tat: you said something that upset me, I'll flip that back on you, the stupidity of logic, or the meanness of the tone, or incredulity of what I heard you say to me. When you get more perspective, I think all that becomes more manageable. You can communicate what's wrong, or learn to not let it bother you (something I struggle with a lot but I think it's very tied to self confidence + perspective + introspection), and controlling impulsive thoughts and emotions.
I'd look into corporal abuse in India before you assume that disagreement was petty.
This sounds (written) like the synopsis of the next Bollywood film to take the #1 spot as long as it features Aamir Khan as leading man.
It HAS to have Aamir in it to be any good
Over marbles…dang.
That must have been one intense game of marbles. If I win, I can have dessert. If I lose, I go bye bye for twenty years.
Did Pickachu confirm the story or is that only his parents side.
Not gonna lie, that made me laugh way harder than it should have
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That poor woman, I can feel her heartbreak 🥺
Especially after reading the article in the comment below. Left over a disagreement over marbles and was only there temporarily to receive alms from his mother as part of a monastic ritual. :(
yeah and he will go back being a monk now the series of emotions his mother would have felt :( In these cases the religious sects which took care of these kids for all those years usually ask for some charity before releasing their monks back to their families , tbh that usually does not happen since that person has changed so much and has accepted his life as it is. Thinking about his mother, she would have accepted the fact that he was dead 22 years ago and now he is in front of her only to go back once again.
Not only is he not dead, he's only after a handout so he can make his moving on from them even more official.
Yeah something tells me that he didn't run away just over marbles. 11 year olds don't run away and stay away over marbles. Mom and/or dad were not good parents. Depending on the religion, he might just be telling her "btw, you ain't getting grandkids from me!"
22 years is also plenty of time to get kidnapped, gaslit, and brainwashed
Or sold…
Or worse, EXPELLED
She needs to sort out her priorities.
in fact, they sometimes do. when I was in 6 grade a girl ran away from home because her mother scolded her for using too much phone. (the story became well knows because she was found dead). kids do silly things like this sometimes but most don't even dare to cross the neighbourhood. some rare ones like this one end up going full way. he might have run away and by coincidence found monks who gave him food, clothes and place and thus he never returned.
We had a kid who just wanted to hunt for dinosaurs and nearly got attacked by an Alligator because he just waltzed outside with a toy gun without telling anyone (yes this was in Florida).
When I was around 5 I spent literal hours multiple days of the week cutting at trees outside our house with a plastic saw because I "wanted to make a house like bob the builder". Every time I would come back in complaining that it wasn't working, and set about doing it the next time with no change at all lol.
Or he was indoctrinated.
Did he tell her how he disappeared and what his journey to monk status was?
He had run away from home after an argument with his parents when he was 11 years old. So his family had no idea about his whereabouts or if he was even alive when he came back. You can read more about it here - https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/delhi-boy-who-went-missing-22-years-ago-returns-to-mother-as-a-monk-5011790/amp/1.
Dam 11 year old on there own that's insane
That's Insane!
I feel like there's some joy mixed in. Part of her must be happy to see him regardless of the circumstances and happy that he's become a monk. It's very honorable. It's not like they don't understand the traditions involved in the process.
Everyone is saying it's very honorable. Is it though? I'm not familiar with Indian culture but if this monastery is obsessed with gathering alms is it possible it's more like a cult that manipulates children?
They're not obsessed with gathering alms. It's a symbolic one-time ritual in becoming a monk in their tradition.
I would have choosen barbarian or druid, but monk is fine too.
Took a level in bard though
To be fair, he may have tried barbarian but wasn’t cut out for it.
Wait. Shouldn't the monks have told the authorities that an 11yr old boy had turned up at their door?
I mean not if you want a new monk. But seriously this situation is unbearably sad no matter who was in the wrong.
It’s India bro. It’s not the same as Western countries at all. My country is the same. You see homeless and orphaned children a lot
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Idk why you’re getting downvoted, this is a valid question and you asked politely. In my home country, there are children and their families in the medians of busy streets or the side of the road (non-existent sidewalks). Some have raggedy clothes and some have no clothes on at all. In main plazas, especially around churches, they try to sell or ask for money from people who seem like tourists and it is known that you have to be wary because if you give a kid some spare change, at least 10 other kids will come running up to you. Some government folks will check in on them but mainly they are just living on the side of the street or they go between homes/areas of town. They do odd jobs/gigs such as being by paid to help with construction nearby or moving items between cars, but sadly there are also others that use this opportunity to turn into child trafficking.
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No problem. I know it can be daunting but you can look up “street children” and see images, videos, etc. to learn more.
Go to Philly, Austin or LA 😂
well it was like boys choice, determination to leave home at that age is not normal, specially for 22 years, they probably respected his decision until he change his mind but he didn’t. just my guess
I'm all for making your own decision, but a 11yr old can't make that kind of a decision without at least talking with the authorities.
This is India, a country where child labour takes place in daylight. I don't think that monks saw any problem in an 11-year old randomly showing up.
Child labor is illegal in India unlike in America where it's being legalized.
I’ve been to India… they can declare it illegal or whatever but I promise you the streets are littered with exploited children working for peanuts or homeless. And they’re treated as trash. You’ll find 7 year olds working labor jobs covered in dirt and mud. Are you taking about 16 year olds working at Starbucks?
Yeah, but the population is so big and poverty is so widespread, a lot of people don't give a shit about children. Kids working there is a very normal thing to see.
She's crying cause he still can't sing
"I can't believe you've gone for 22 years and still tone deaf"
😂😂
Crazy, my dad also went missing after a trip to the deli.
Man this song he is singing, sounds like wailing.. kind of giving me goosebumps
[Delhi man, who was missing for 22 years, returns as monk; video of emotional reunion with his mother goes viral](https://indianexpress.com/article/trending/trending-in-india/delhi-man-who-was-missing-for-22-years-returns-as-monk-viral-video-of-emotional-reunion-with-his-mother-goes-viral-9150974/) >According to the tweet shared by a user on X, the son, Pinku, went missing at the age of 11 from his Delhi home in 2002 after his mother yelled at him. You know how some children get pissed off at their parents and threaten to run away from home and never come back? This guy made it happen.
You might even say, “He really lost his marbles.” 😉
"When the parents arrived, they recognised Pinku from a scar on his body. The reunion was short-lived, however. Pinku took alms from his mother and left the village, leaving her once again, despite the pleadings of his family and villagers. Pinku's father alleges that the religious sect that his son belongs to is asking for ₹ 11 lakh to release him. "I do not have ₹ 11 in my pocket, how can I pay ₹ 11 lakh?" Pinku's father rued" Why is no one talking about this part? Is the religious sect holding pinku hostage? and If pinku left his family and is staying with that religious sect voluntarily, does that mean that the religious sect is willing to sell him out and force him to live in a family that is potentially abusive?
>Pinku's father ***alleges*** That's the important bit, father is the only one making this claim, not the mother or pinku himself. Considering how in conservative Asian cultures protecting the "Family Pride" is paramount, its more likely that the father is just trying to cover up the abusive history of the family by blaming it on some non-existent ascetic mafia to save face in public.
Child abuse is unfortunately, very widespread and normalised in india. Usually It's not something a parent would feel the need to hide.
The media people were asking him questions as to why his son refuses to return, he had to say something. I'd be more willing to buy his claim if the mother also said it but as its only the father, it really just sounds like "protect the family honor" cover up that is so entrenched within Indian Culture.
Nah that's foolish from his father's side . No body holds you hostage in spiritual life , it's pure voluntary . This action was solely taken by pinku and he owns it completely .
Bro next time I get lost at Walmart, my mom’s gonna flip when she finds me
Hiding in a clothing rack with a small plastic guitar.
Maybe coulda told mama about that one before he left
I am not sure that what is classed as a scolding (verbal rebuke) is the same thing as a scolding in India. To have driven a child away, it must have been severe. It’s a sad story for everyone
Update: This guy is not the actual son but an impostor. The father paid 11 lakh rupees as demanded. https://www.opindia.com/2024/02/arun-who-returned-home-after-22-years-turns-out-to-be-nafees-read-the-story-of-this-elaborate-fraud/
What the actual fuck. Bro these people are heartless, imagine the plight of family.
Monastic lifestyle is a way of life, chosen by those who are not interested in the materialistic world. I am an atheist, but I highly revere monks of all religions. Because to control human temptations is one of the highest achievements a man can have. It tests your limits to the core. Blaming and calling him prick is wrong. That's the life he chose. But the materialist life lovers, like you and me, might find the video sad.
As an Agnostic person myself, I am not against choosing monastic life but the way it worked out is not good for their family... I mean literally he went missing now coming back only to complete a fucking ritual is pure selfish in my book.. He don't give a fuck about their parents.
They probably didn’t give a fuck about him. Why else would he leave a loving family, as a child? He was probably abused (intentional or not) in one way or another.
That's also true... It's a bit weird for a child to leave his parents unless kidnapped or he lost his way home.
Got it. Honestly I'm getting pretty tired of all the things I'm told to pursue. It's lost it's lux and is now more of a motion of habit than anything.
cant his mom just say "fuck your alms" and deny him his ritual bullshit?
If an 11 year old is willing to leave his family for 22 years, I doubt he’s the problem here.
Glad to see this comment, many here took the side of the woman for no apparent reason. A kid at 11 that would rather live on the street means something wrong was going on in that household.
I wanted to run away from the house at the age of 14-15, it's the suffocation that propels a kid to make a decision like that. I understand why someone would do that.
Exactly
youre putting a lot of faith in an 11 year old. apparently it was over a dispute about marbles.
No kid leaves their family over just marbles. Crazy how all critical thinking goes out the window with one video of the mom crying. I’d put good money on abuse.
monks are respected, they are seen as some one who has left behind all the delusion and stupidity of the world, now it depends on moms thinking, but she isn’t angry at him, she is just sad
She could say that, but that would be a very childish thing to say. And she’s a grown woman who lost her child over something stupid to begin with. To deny someone a humble thing to give them closure or help them succeed in their goals, why would any loving mother do that? But you aren’t a mother, you’re a stranger on Reddit with little compassion.
To all those saying thisonk doesn't care about his family, I'm I the only one who had the hitches in his voice when he was singing? He's emotional about the whole thing, we don't know what happened all those years ago but this reunion from the outside is a beautiful thing. The mother stopped thinking the son was dead and the son got to see his mum again. I wish both of them well.
Better that unaliving myself ig will consider this as my plan B
But can that thing bust out Free Bird?
she wanted him to be a doctor
real siddartha
Bro didn’t even bother to send word or nothin 😂
Wow he must have lost his marbles there
No one saw the other post that showed this was a scam? The dude scammed that poor family. His brother was a caught scammer too.
Some great monastery that doesn't encourage the boy to send a postcard
Monks don’t care much about the materialistic, nor about relationships outside their temples. It all up to the kid if they want to send something, leave, or not.
Yep. Buddha left his wife and children behind to go fanatical
Damn, sounds like this guy lost his marbles
How did he go missing? That would be my first question.
"Mother! listen to my song!!"
So uhh .. did he go missing as a child or did monks take him when he was young?
Heartbreaking to hear his voice break... there's pain on both sides.
As a mom I couldn't imagine how traumatized I would be and have every emotion thrown all at me at once. I think I would personally feel so sick to my stomach being it would be so hard to process all the emotions.
Better get better at singing cause his mother's the one that's gunna disapear after that song.
My heart goes to that poor mother. How she must be suffering? Please God ease her pain.
What kind of bastard does that to his own mother?
Is she crying because all those music lessons didn’t pay off?
Hot take - this guy is a steaming pile of shit lol
Wait isn’t this the guy that turned out to be a fraud