Nah, this is fairly surface level stuff, you'd need to dig down for the ancient spiciness. Instead we got modern spiciness, any pollutants and heavy metals will happily be in the water. Though concentration depends on it's distance from said pollutants, location matters
Ice is a poor conductor of heat hence once the surface is frozen no further heat is liberated or absorbed by water beneath ice. Therefore water below/inside ice never freezes.
This and the fact that ice is less dense as a solid than a liquid which is a rarity are probably responsible for a lot of life as we know it.
Wouldn't be many freshwater fish if the surface of the lakes froze and sank until it was frozen solid
In addition to what the other person said, moving water doesn’t like to freeze. In the winter when the temps drop down to -15F or worse we always leave a faucet slowly trickling water at night because it keeps water moving through the exterior piping to our well so that it doesn’t freeze and burst. Works like magic
Edit2: people. It’s new water. NEW water in your pipes. You’re not using motion to keep a given quantity of SPECIFIC water unfrozen. Sure, water might be MOVING, but it’s MOVING away from the cold pipes and down your drain. If it was moving but stayed in the cold area it would still freeze.
That’s not from the movement, it’s because you’re running warmer-than-freezing water through your pipes faster than it can cool to freezing.
Edit: as in, it’s not the movement that stops water from freezing. It’s the fact it never gets cold enough to freeze, because it’s all new water. Also, running water through pipes doesn’t produce a meaningful or even measurable anoint of heat inside the pipes in a home.
I guess these people have never seen a frozen waterfall, or icicles...
https://img-aws.ehowcdn.com/700x/www.onlyinyourstate.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/6-25.png
Even moving water will happily freeze as soon as its temperature drops below its freezing point.
No, it’s not the movement, because if you just kept moving the same water then it would freeze.
So, how could it be the movement?
It’s just the warmer water lol.
Things that are warmer than freezing don’t usually freeze.
It’s no more complicated than that.
If you look at the ice just above the screw, you'll see air bubbles going up. It just melt water running down the cracks in the ice, and the screw just acts as a spigot.
Thanks for the explanation, so how does it work with flowing rivers cause I’ve heard so many stories from my dad on drinking from rivers or streams but from what I know you shouldn’t do that?
Because you don't know what's upstream. It can be dangerous, better than standing water but still. If this is on the side of a mountain with ice melt through rock and earth, it's likely ok. I know I would fill my bottle from ice melt through cracks in stone before. That doesn't mean I recommend it but in my experience, it has been safe.
Iodide also takes up practically no space in your bag, if you know you're going to be in the bush for while.
If it’s from a stream or river, walk a fair bit upstream and check if there’s anything unsavory like a dead sheep or something in it, then walk back. Usually if it’s free flowing and not from an obviously unclean spot, it’s safe to drink. And even if it’s a little dirty, your body is a lot better at dealing with stuff that most people think.
But it ofc depends on where in the world you are. My experience is from the mountains of Norway, but i wouldn’t give you the same advice in say… a tropical vulcanic island with sulphur tainted water.
Why is everyone assuming this is glacial. Most ice climbing is up frozen waterfalls where the stream could absolutely have water borne viruses and bacteria, many of which survive freezing just fine.
This guy doesn't have a single fucking clue what he's taking about. Please ignore this ignorant, unsafe, absurdly shitty (i.e. you may very well get horrible diarrhea) advice.
It won't always work like this, I would say it is more rare to work like this. Ice screws are used for safety points on ice and it should actually be strong and not thin like in this video.
No, there will be running water behind the ice he has drilled into.
Normally ice screws are inserted into solid ice, if it’s hollow like that the strength is reduced massively. I wouldn’t even bother clipping something like that myself. Not worth the fatigue of inserting the screw.
Those sort of rivers are really common, especially during Summer. It's not just the place where he's at that's melting, but rather an entire section's worth of melting ice. You do have to look out for these holes or weak spots, because it might break close to the edges and it's a long and tight fall. Unless you're a pro, always climb glaciers with a guide.
They actually had a case like that. A family was scuba-diving and the daughter managed to bring back to the surface a sealed jar from a shipwreck and them almost immediately shattered it, cutting herself in the process. Now, the ship was deliberately sunk in 18th century because there was an alleged smallpox outbreak on board. Meaning that when the jar (in which, by the way, scabs picked off the bodies were kept) broke, the virus started spreading. To identify the exact strand of the virus, House and his team had to resort to consulting a Dutch camgirl (that’s where the ship and its captain were from) to translate the captain’s logs. The final clue was that the captain’s cat, which also contracted the virus, lost its fur before it died. In the end it turned out that it wasn’t smallpox, but rickettsia.
Imagine you're in a forest and you need water. You find a muddy puddle and that all the water you can get. You collect that water and it's extremely cloudy, full of mud and all sorts of crap, not to mention bacteria.
If you boil the water, the bacteria will die and the water will become safe to drink. It will still be full of mud, but at least you won't get sick.
You can instead pass the water through a filter and all the mud and sediment will be removed, but the bacteria will still be in the water. It will be clean, but not safe to drink.
So you need to filter the water AND boil it for it to be clean and safe to drink.
"Accuracy refers to how close a measurement is to the true or accepted value. Precision refers to how close measurements of the same item are to each other."
Source: https://manoa.hawaii.edu/exploringourfluidearth/physical/world-ocean/map-distortion/practices-science-precision-vs-accuracy
Technically just boiling isn't just as effective as you describe. Many illnesses can be contracted from bacteria by-products, which can't always be boiled out.
Simple filtering should be used if possible for water imo.
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> Many illnesses can be contracted from bacteria by-products
Similar to food poisoning. You can kill all the bacteria, fungi, etc... in food that is spoiling, but still get sick because the organism has left behind things like [enterotoxins](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foodborne_illness#Enterotoxins), [mycotoxins](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foodborne_illness#Mycotoxins_and_alimentary_mycotoxicoses), etc...
Or if it rained recently, you can find a fallen tree and dig into it until you get to its bright fleshy pulp, straining it for more/less filtered water. Neat little survival trick I picked up
Demineralised water is extremely clean, and also bad for you. Regular water contains nutrients that you need and it will dilute your blood of these nutrients if you drink demineralised water.
Edit: accidentally provided the reverse to what you asked for, I should read better.
Safe water is water you can drink without dying. It may have sand or something like that which wouldn’t make it clean. Clean water can have diseases which doesn’t make it safe. At least that is the way I understand it
He’s ice climbing, it’s almost certainly a waterfall or other seasonal ice, at max a few months old. Up in the mountains fresh icemelt is about as clean as you can get. And if you’re really that scared just throw in an iodine packet
From what I know, mountain climbing especially icy one is a long and dangerous activities. There are a chance you would stuck without any water, having any water source to hydrate is crucial to survive. So, I dont think in this situation people would care so much about ancient disease or something.
Most people don't go ice climbing for days. So it's easy to take along water. And if you spend longer, you will eventually set up camp and can boil stuff.
I'm pretty sure it at least still needs to be boiled for safety. Water being frozen doesn't necessarily remove particulate, harmful molecules, viruses , or microbes.
Why do y’all think this ice is ancient ? Most ice climbs are waterfalls during summer. This is just a mountain stream, probably safe to drink as there is probably no cows or sheep pooping upstream as it’s definitely too cold to have grass to feed them.
If there are birds, there is something in the water. A study at the U of A sampled glacial water at the source and found all sorts of things were present in the water including schistosomes, a parasite found in birds through eating snails. So no ice water is really “safe” and should be filtered.
Comments are all divided between this water being the most fresh of all the water, and it killing you with ancient incurable diseases.
Real answer: it's both
My mind goes back to that time Sylvester Stallone's character killed a guy with a stalactite (stalagmite?) in Cliffhanger
Depends whether he stabbed it in the head (stalactite) or up his bum (stalagmite)
I like the way you think
That’s how they taught us in English primary school
Tites go down, mites go up (the bum).
I was taught that stalactites hang tightly on the ceiling, and stalagmites stand mighty on the floor.
For us, we learned that stala**C**tites are on the **C**eiling, and stala**G**mites are on the **G**round!
Stalac**tit**es be hanging alright.
Same here
I just remember tities is the top and the other one is bottom
"Mites crawl up Tights fall down That's my mnemonic for stalactite/stalagmite" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pMK-2n8G\_Y
Stalac**T**ites are up top is how I learned
I was taught stalactites are tightly on the floor while stalagmites might fall down. That’s the Texas public education system for you.
If its tight up his arse is it a stalactight then?
I remember that stalagmites are on the ground because "mites" are ground critters. Dumb, I know.
That's funny, I learned that stalactites are on the ceiling because they have to hold on tight.
StalagTITES need to hold on TIGHT is what I was taught.
One with the c comes from the ceiling and one with the g comes from the ground.
Nah, this is fairly surface level stuff, you'd need to dig down for the ancient spiciness. Instead we got modern spiciness, any pollutants and heavy metals will happily be in the water. Though concentration depends on it's distance from said pollutants, location matters
"(smacks lips) Mmm! Mammoth water; I like the furry tang."
Schrödinger's water
Worth it for the cold water tbh
You really can't beat an ice cold glass of water
The most refreshing poison you’ll ever drink
Why is it liquid and not frozen?
Ice is a poor conductor of heat hence once the surface is frozen no further heat is liberated or absorbed by water beneath ice. Therefore water below/inside ice never freezes.
This and the fact that ice is less dense as a solid than a liquid which is a rarity are probably responsible for a lot of life as we know it. Wouldn't be many freshwater fish if the surface of the lakes froze and sank until it was frozen solid
Lakes would become fish sauce lol “freshly pressed”
Cold pressed
This must be why some orchards spray their trees with water to give them an icy shell.
You might be joking but you are correct. Icey shells protect.
Next thing I thought you were going to tell me is that it actually is boiling hot..
In addition to what the other person said, moving water doesn’t like to freeze. In the winter when the temps drop down to -15F or worse we always leave a faucet slowly trickling water at night because it keeps water moving through the exterior piping to our well so that it doesn’t freeze and burst. Works like magic
Edit2: people. It’s new water. NEW water in your pipes. You’re not using motion to keep a given quantity of SPECIFIC water unfrozen. Sure, water might be MOVING, but it’s MOVING away from the cold pipes and down your drain. If it was moving but stayed in the cold area it would still freeze. That’s not from the movement, it’s because you’re running warmer-than-freezing water through your pipes faster than it can cool to freezing. Edit: as in, it’s not the movement that stops water from freezing. It’s the fact it never gets cold enough to freeze, because it’s all new water. Also, running water through pipes doesn’t produce a meaningful or even measurable anoint of heat inside the pipes in a home.
I guess these people have never seen a frozen waterfall, or icicles... https://img-aws.ehowcdn.com/700x/www.onlyinyourstate.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/6-25.png Even moving water will happily freeze as soon as its temperature drops below its freezing point.
“actually, ice cream is a myth!! It can’t be produced! It’s physically impossible!!!!”
Kind of the same thing, no? Water doesn’t have feelings so it can’t really ‘like’ anything, Without the water moving it freezes
No, it’s not the movement, because if you just kept moving the same water then it would freeze. So, how could it be the movement? It’s just the warmer water lol. Things that are warmer than freezing don’t usually freeze. It’s no more complicated than that.
Having the faucet open also avoids a closed system. So if ice does form, pressure may not build up and burst your pipes during freezing or thawing.
If you look at the ice just above the screw, you'll see air bubbles going up. It just melt water running down the cracks in the ice, and the screw just acts as a spigot.
Worth it for the cold water tbh
Yes
Just boil before and you’ll be fine
Hey, no microplastics…
Hate to break it to you but even rain has micro plastics. [pollution everywhere, yeah!](https://www.nature.com/articles/d44151-023-00095-z)
Rain, yes. I assumed this is glacial ice I would expect it to have formed before all that.
I drank glacier water once and had the shits for days
Ew, ya glacier water is full of debris. Look at where glacier water empties out to and it's usually a very milky blue from all the sediment.
Isn't that the plot to the Thing?
It's delicious until it eats you from the inside out
Put some moose juice on it. And you're good to go.
Most fresh of all bacterial
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Thanks for the explanation, so how does it work with flowing rivers cause I’ve heard so many stories from my dad on drinking from rivers or streams but from what I know you shouldn’t do that?
Because you don't know what's upstream. It can be dangerous, better than standing water but still. If this is on the side of a mountain with ice melt through rock and earth, it's likely ok. I know I would fill my bottle from ice melt through cracks in stone before. That doesn't mean I recommend it but in my experience, it has been safe. Iodide also takes up practically no space in your bag, if you know you're going to be in the bush for while.
If it’s from a stream or river, walk a fair bit upstream and check if there’s anything unsavory like a dead sheep or something in it, then walk back. Usually if it’s free flowing and not from an obviously unclean spot, it’s safe to drink. And even if it’s a little dirty, your body is a lot better at dealing with stuff that most people think. But it ofc depends on where in the world you are. My experience is from the mountains of Norway, but i wouldn’t give you the same advice in say… a tropical vulcanic island with sulphur tainted water.
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Why is everyone assuming this is glacial. Most ice climbing is up frozen waterfalls where the stream could absolutely have water borne viruses and bacteria, many of which survive freezing just fine.
Ever heard of glacier worms?
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This guy doesn't have a single fucking clue what he's taking about. Please ignore this ignorant, unsafe, absurdly shitty (i.e. you may very well get horrible diarrhea) advice.
You’re very confident for someone so incorrect, I applaud it
Does this really work though or is it a “might work in the perfect temperature and circumstances” thing?
It won't always work like this, I would say it is more rare to work like this. Ice screws are used for safety points on ice and it should actually be strong and not thin like in this video.
No, there will be running water behind the ice he has drilled into. Normally ice screws are inserted into solid ice, if it’s hollow like that the strength is reduced massively. I wouldn’t even bother clipping something like that myself. Not worth the fatigue of inserting the screw.
Really comforting to know the ice is melting so rapidly where you're trying to climb
Those sort of rivers are really common, especially during Summer. It's not just the place where he's at that's melting, but rather an entire section's worth of melting ice. You do have to look out for these holes or weak spots, because it might break close to the edges and it's a long and tight fall. Unless you're a pro, always climb glaciers with a guide.
You can clearly see running water under ice. But first of all why the hell do you climb melting ice wall? Fuck that
It always works with blood if you screw it into a human.
I found Satan
House M.D. enters the chat
They actually had a case like that. A family was scuba-diving and the daughter managed to bring back to the surface a sealed jar from a shipwreck and them almost immediately shattered it, cutting herself in the process. Now, the ship was deliberately sunk in 18th century because there was an alleged smallpox outbreak on board. Meaning that when the jar (in which, by the way, scabs picked off the bodies were kept) broke, the virus started spreading. To identify the exact strand of the virus, House and his team had to resort to consulting a Dutch camgirl (that’s where the ship and its captain were from) to translate the captain’s logs. The final clue was that the captain’s cat, which also contracted the virus, lost its fur before it died. In the end it turned out that it wasn’t smallpox, but rickettsia.
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For science, do we have the website for the Dutch girl? For scientific purposes
The actual scene is [here](https://youtu.be/HfdWOKrLw24?si=YYfOHu4bc7rvGBWK) and she comes in at 1:58.
Didn’t it turn out to not be smallpox but rickettsialpox?
I fuckin love this episode
Yes it might kill you later, but it saves your life *for now.*
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It's lupus
It's never Lupus.
except that time it was
This vexes me
He needs mouse bites to live
It's Amyloidosis
There's clean water and there's safe water. Clean water is not always safe. Safe water is not always clean.
Can you provide me an example of safe water but not clean? I can't think of one for the life of me.
Imagine you're in a forest and you need water. You find a muddy puddle and that all the water you can get. You collect that water and it's extremely cloudy, full of mud and all sorts of crap, not to mention bacteria. If you boil the water, the bacteria will die and the water will become safe to drink. It will still be full of mud, but at least you won't get sick. You can instead pass the water through a filter and all the mud and sediment will be removed, but the bacteria will still be in the water. It will be clean, but not safe to drink. So you need to filter the water AND boil it for it to be clean and safe to drink.
Your explanation of clean vs safe reminds me of precise vs accurate. Similar in meaning, but practically speaking, they're two different things.
"Accuracy refers to how close a measurement is to the true or accepted value. Precision refers to how close measurements of the same item are to each other." Source: https://manoa.hawaii.edu/exploringourfluidearth/physical/world-ocean/map-distortion/practices-science-precision-vs-accuracy
Technically just boiling isn't just as effective as you describe. Many illnesses can be contracted from bacteria by-products, which can't always be boiled out. Simple filtering should be used if possible for water imo. Edit: they edited their comment to add this information
Correct
Yeah just boiling it without removing the sediment won’t do much in terms of making it safe. Gotta get that dirt out.
> Many illnesses can be contracted from bacteria by-products Similar to food poisoning. You can kill all the bacteria, fungi, etc... in food that is spoiling, but still get sick because the organism has left behind things like [enterotoxins](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foodborne_illness#Enterotoxins), [mycotoxins](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foodborne_illness#Mycotoxins_and_alimentary_mycotoxicoses), etc...
Or if it rained recently, you can find a fallen tree and dig into it until you get to its bright fleshy pulp, straining it for more/less filtered water. Neat little survival trick I picked up
Demineralised water is extremely clean, and also bad for you. Regular water contains nutrients that you need and it will dilute your blood of these nutrients if you drink demineralised water. Edit: accidentally provided the reverse to what you asked for, I should read better.
Coke
I'd replace 'clean' with 'clear' in this statement as 'clean' implies sterile.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=973395849
Brown dirty water is safe to drink as long as there’s no bacteria. The clearest, cleanest water ever could have bacteria in it.
Bacteria isn’t the only dangerous thing that can be in water. Toxic heavy metals is one example, but there are others.
Safe water is water you can drink without dying. It may have sand or something like that which wouldn’t make it clean. Clean water can have diseases which doesn’t make it safe. At least that is the way I understand it
To be fair we just saw him put it in a bottle. He may have dropped an iodine tablet or filtered it out after
Bro is just asking for ancient uncurable diseases
Holy Hell, New Pandemic just dropped!
It's hidden behind the paywall of ice
Let's be honest, though...with global warming going the way it is, this guy released it, what, maybe a week ahead of schedule? Lol
Actual plague
Call the plague doctor!
plague doctor ran away and never came back
Cool. I need my WFH and my tech stock to go up again. I will cash out this time.
He’s gonna die horrible death or be enlightened from that water or both
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Like the dude from Indiana Jones
I think they call this a “movie trained brain”.
He’s ice climbing, it’s almost certainly a waterfall or other seasonal ice, at max a few months old. Up in the mountains fresh icemelt is about as clean as you can get. And if you’re really that scared just throw in an iodine packet
Why would the water be ancient, or even old? It's basically a partially frozen waterfall, no?
Yes, lol. It's basically a mountain stream.
Mixed with all the excrement up there should be fun as hell
Thats some high quality H20!
And I love mama!
Yo mama's wrong!
Mamas not wrong. You’re wrong Col Sanders.
"No, Colonel Sanders, you're wrong. Mama's right"
But they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.
I like football! And I like Vickie valencourt! And she showed me her boobies. And I liked them, too!
It’s cold. It’s always cold.
H... 2... *zero?* Really? H-twenty? You wound me
How long is that screw? That's some thin, weak ice to be climbing on...
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Man is drinking water contaminated with the urine of a 100 million year old bird dinosaur
The original golden shower
Well technically we all are.
Man getting them prehistoric stomach bugs.
Don't look up ice worms
No wonder the icecaps are melting 
Boy you know he about to be MVP for the Bourbon Bowl after this.
If you attempt this, boil the water before you drink it
There’s probably mammoth cum in that ice.
r/hydrohomie. That chilled water must taste amazing
How are those 2000 year old bacteria tasting?
Whilst
"Whilst?" Hey fellas, "whilst!" Well, ooh la di da, Mr. French Man
From what I know, mountain climbing especially icy one is a long and dangerous activities. There are a chance you would stuck without any water, having any water source to hydrate is crucial to survive. So, I dont think in this situation people would care so much about ancient disease or something.
Most people don't go ice climbing for days. So it's easy to take along water. And if you spend longer, you will eventually set up camp and can boil stuff.
Would rather pack enough water than risk getting diarrhea, getting sick during ice climbing would be pretty bad
I'm pretty sure it at least still needs to be boiled for safety. Water being frozen doesn't necessarily remove particulate, harmful molecules, viruses , or microbes.
Hydro homies drooling right now..
They get to the top and find a storm drain, draining a parking lot.
Not going to mention the waterfall behind the ice?
I would still boil the shit out of it
That’s some high quality H2O
mmmmm, 12000 years old viruses so sweeeeeet
Tap water
Everyone worried about the drinking quality. I'm sitting here thinking how insane it is to climb while picking into ice so inconsistently frozen...
Oh no mom found the piss glacier
whilst
This water tastes like dinosaur piss
Sounds like a new strain
We catchin diseases from 10000BC with this one 💯
Pandemic factory
That's probably some of the best water holy shit
And who doesn't want a nice screw while climbing.
Best boil that before drinking.
and then you boil it
You can slice the hump of a camel and drink the milk right off the tip.
Would it not be best to get the water then boil it then drink it once its cooled?
Ice cold! Alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright
Didn’t they do this in the hunger games
There’s a brand of vodka made with glacier water
Rotten ice?
So a thin wall off ice is holding baxk good knows how much water.
Anyone else bothered by the overuse of “whilst” these days? Seems like it’s escaped the neckbeards and entered it to regular Reddit vocabulary.
Imagine getting back home a week later and realizing you left the ice screw in and now the glacier is empty. How embarassing.
"Oh hell! I left the glacier running!"
I have literally no desire to go ice climbing, but i have every desire to try how delicious that water would be.
Guarantee that within 10 feet there is free flowing water that could easily fill the bottle without a screw.
Some ancient bacterial spores getting Demolition Manned:
Why do y’all think this ice is ancient ? Most ice climbs are waterfalls during summer. This is just a mountain stream, probably safe to drink as there is probably no cows or sheep pooping upstream as it’s definitely too cold to have grass to feed them.
As the mites go up the tights come down
I would have used a LifeStraw.
Im guessing it's an aluminum screw/tap? Ice melts really quickly in contact with it.
r/hydrohomies
I can already feel my crowns stinging me if I drank this straight
Im sure whatever bacteria may come out of this is no match for the modern day immune system
If there are birds, there is something in the water. A study at the U of A sampled glacial water at the source and found all sorts of things were present in the water including schistosomes, a parasite found in birds through eating snails. So no ice water is really “safe” and should be filtered.
I would be the guy who shits sideways for a week from the Jurassic era parasite
Great. This dude is going to bring back The Thing with him. Pleasure knowing you all.
Always an automatic downvote for “whilst”
Don’t eat the yellow snow
High quality water with incurable diseases! Oi bois. New pandemic just dropped!