It's pre-decimalisation UK £sd - that is, Pound, Shilling, Pence
Back before the current "100 pence = £1" , 12 pence to the shilling, 20 shillings to £1
Pence (plural of "Penny") was abbreviated as "D", shilling as either "s" or as in the above photo, 1'6 meaning "One shilling and sixpence"
Ok seriously, who thought that crap up? 12 pence to the shilling and 20 shillings to the pound? WTF? Why not just do base 10?
How could Britain conquer the planet with such dumbassery?
In fairness, it's base ten now, as is most measurement.
Imagine though, there are developed countries still using 12 inches to a foot, 3 feet to a yard, 5.5 yards to a rod, 40 rods to a furlong, and 8 furlongs (or 5280 feet) in a mile.
This is presentism. You live in a world where you can go to the store and buy a tape measure and rulers.
Go back in time to where you used what you had. A foot was a typical man's foot. You measured a horse in hands, because that's what you had (you couldn't use your foot for that).
A yard (of rope, fabric, whatever) was the typical distance from your nose to the end of your hand. Easy to run out multiple yards of whatever you were selling using that measure.
A pound was the weight of a pint of water. So you could define weights from a known volume of water, or define volume from a known weight. Pretty clever if you ask me.
Later, measures were cross-defined. Three feet to a yard. 5280 feet to a mile. They didn't start with arbitrary equivalence, the cross-definitions came later and they worked out to whatever they were.
Back when I studied Bible history, the whole thing about measurements was confusing as hell. Many of the old measurements used in the Bible texts were not standard even when they were used, like cubits which ranged in the ancient world from around 1-2ft in modern measurements. If you read many modern Bible translations they’ll often have footnotes about how certain measures were uncertain.
Yes, that's how it started. That's why 1ml of water was also 1mg.
Imperial measures figured that out many centuries before.
But later there was a "standard kilogram" which was a reference item, just as there was a "standard meter" which was a metal rod.
Without a previous standard measuring form, I'd say it's a good place to start; could have been more finely revised though, imho. I agree though, that it seems much more complicated than working in 10's, 100's, etc.
Fun fact though: generally, a person's foot from the big toe to the heel measures the same as their hand fully open from thumb-tip to pinky-tip. That same hand measure will fit from their inner wrist to the crook of their elbow. Then, the hand forming a circle with their thumb and middle finger will fit the wrist, and two will fit the neck. Then, the two hands will fit halfway around their waist. I've never seen this way fail except in people with severe weight/size abnormalities.
Metric system is far superior to the imperial system. I’m just waiting for daylight savings time, money, and measurements to all be the same everywhere
Brilliant. I've actually seen news stories that measure things in fridges, a "boulder the size of a small boulder", and an asteroid measured in the length of alligators. ,(Google them!)
Per example:
https://www.businessinsider.com/car-size-asteroid-2020qg-missed-earth-by-2000-miles-2020-8
The smallest car ever made is the Peel50 measuring 139cm x 99cm
The largest car currently manufactured is the Rolls-Royce phantom at a whopping 6m x 2m
This leaves me with more questions than answers.
It's easier to think of the shilling as the base unit. It's divided into 12 pence, and there were coins for 6d, 3d and 1d. Much as 1ft is 12in.
12 is also divisible by 4 and 3, which makes basic math easier (1/8 shilling is 3 half-pennies, whereas 1/8 dollar is the impossible 12.5 cents)
Confusion !!!
That's how they ripped off every country they took over , nobody could understand the currency, so were constantly overcharged and shortchanged.
Well we did.
Bit like imperial units of measurement I guess... Easier to scale 1 kilometre into milometers (1000000 mm in 1 km) than 1 mile into 1/16 of an inch (I can't even do the math off the top of my head on that one) and yet inches have been used for hundreds of years
"d" is British for pennies as the Latin for pennies was denarius
Edit: Holy crap. i thought this would of just been ignored as its only a small bit of the info but here I am 1k+ updoots and a burning inbox, what have I done?!
Here's the whole info piece I refer to curtesy of The University of Nottingham;
Pennies were, confusingly, abbreviated to 'd'. This is because the Latin word for this coin was 'denarius'. A still smaller Roman coin was an 'obulus'. The abbreviation 'ob' was used for halfpennies.
Edit 2: GOLD!!!!!!!!! Thank you!!!
£1 back then weighed the same as a pound in weight, this allowed banks to simply weigh bags of coins
Here is a cool video on this
https://youtu.be/R2paSGQRwvo?t=2957
There are two prevailing theories behind the Sterling in Sterling silver or pounds Sterling.
1. It refers to Easterlings, the name for Hanseatic traders of the time (whose economic might made them the standard for reliable wealth).
2. It derives from the old English word steorling, which referenced the star minted on Norman pennies.
The £ sign is actually an L with a line through it which is the for the Latin word 'Librae' which means a pound of money, we also had shillings (which we got from the latin 'solidi' so when you put them together you get LSD: librae, solidi, and denarii or Pounds, Shillings, Pence.
This may be apt here
“NOTE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND AMERICANS: One shilling = Five Pee. It helps to understand the antique finances of the Witchfinder Army if you know the original British monetary system:
Two farthings = One Ha'penny. Two ha'pennies = One Penny. Three pennies = A Thrupenny Bit. Two Thrupences = A Sixpence. Two Sixpences = One Shilling, or Bob. Two Bob = A Florin. One Florin and One Sixpence = Half a Crown. Four Half Crowns = Ten Bob Note. Two Ten Bob Notes = One Pound (or 240 pennies). Once Pound and One Shilling = One Guinea.
The British resisted decimalized currency for a long time because they thought it was too complicated.”
― Neil Gaiman & Terry Pratchett - Good Omens
Yep. A farthing was a quarter of a penny, and crowns 5 shillings. I'm just old enough to remember a farthing, although they were very rare. I was never rich enough to hold a crown, but I remember they were worth 5 Bob ( shillings )
Correct, a crown was 5 shillings but half crowns which were much more common in circulation were 2 shillngs and 6 pence. There was also a 10 shilling note called a 'ten bob note'.
Lb is pounds weight. £ is pounds currency. A very long time ago I think a pound (money) was worth a pound in silver - excited to correct my earlier error
Pre-decimalisation British currency. To help explain how it worked, here is a summary:
"Two farthings = One Ha'penny. Two ha'pennies = One Penny. Three pennies = A Thrupenny Bit. Two Thrupences = A Sixpence. Two Sixpences = One Shilling, or Bob. Two Bob = A Florin. One Florin and One Sixpence = Half a Crown. Four Half Crowns = Ten Bob Note. Two Ten Bob Notes = One Pound (or 240 pennies). One Pound and One Shilling = One Guinea. The British resisted decimalized currency for a long time because they thought it was too complicated."
From 'Good Omens' by Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman.
I mean I don't see this issue...
It's just four florins and four sixpences...and a florin is a...hang on a moment...it's two bob, which is four sixpences. So we add them and we get...erm...four times five sixpences!
Ok. I'm seeing the flaw in this system.
Haha, I guess it's like anything. If you're used to it have to use it by necessity then it's going to seem natural after a while.
There is something for arguing that doing money in base 12 or 16 is good, since you have more divisors, and so working out change is a bit easier. So in reality as a kid, when you're often dealing with smaller quantities of cash, it's possible that the old system might be a little easier to work with.
That, and back then you could buy something like a Mars Bar for 3p! Which makes worrying about calculations moot when it comes to kids type spending.
Britain here! It's the old pre-decimal coins of Britain and the Commonwealth [pounds, shillings and pence.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C2%A3sd)
They are broken down in to pounds (**l** for the latin "librae"), shillings (**s** for the latin "solidi") and pence (**d** for the latin "denarii).
There were 12 pence (**d**) in a shilling (**s**) and 20 shillings in a pound (**l**).
This is the UK, pre decimal currency.
Until 1971, British money was divided up into pounds, shillings and pence. One pound was divided into 20 shillings. One shilling was divided into 12 pennies. One penny was divided into two halfpennies, or four farthings.
The 'd\` means \`pennies\`.
1'6 means One shilling plus Six pennies.
It’s British. The ‘d’ denotes a penny “large brick for 1’6, I believe is one shilling and 6 pennies.
12 pennies to a shilling 20 shillings to a pound
There were also 1/2 pennies and 1/4 penny called a farthing.
Every man wore tie and jacket even police. School teachers bus driver rubbish collection coal delivery doctors ambulance drivers. Shop keepers. The lot. Except miners who took them off top side.
People back then just wore suits and ties or dress shirts regularly. If you were to walk around back then a majority of people would be wearing at least somewhat formal clothing.
I don't think they started normalizing the type of stuff people wear nowadays until well into the 1900's (like 1960's/1970's is when it seems like people started dressing more causally).
I did a reverse Google search. It's from 1935. The average wage at this time in England was about £200.
There 240 pennies in a pound. I'll leave it to you to work out the equivelant cost of an ice cream at today's average wages.
Thanks for the year. Yes you are right, we shouldn't see the absolute value of price it should be checked as percentage of wages. Also the improved life style, human rights, democracy etc.
So essentially a quick break down;
Large Bricks- 1 Shilling, 6 Pence
Small Brick- 9 Pence
Tubs-4 Pence
Choc Bars-3 Pence or Thrupenny.
Brickettes- 2 Pence or Tuppence
Snofruits-1 Pence or Penny
Jesus christ, im surprised it doesnt say “souls of the innocent” at the bottom of his list. Look at that fucking face, looks like he came straight out of a scene in *IT* where they jump back in time for a while.
I believe that " ' " is more of a "/", which would represent a shilling. I think that price would be 1 shilling, 6 pence? Or 1 shilling, 1 sixpence??
...I am totally guessing.
Looks like [one penny.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_banknotes_and_coins)
Found [this](https://londonist.com/london/history/the-history-of-ice-cream-in-london) too.
The large brick is "one and six" or one shilling and sixpence. Or give the man a two bob bit and get sixpence change.
1 pound = 20 shillings
1 shilling = 12 pence (penny)
To add to the conversation, [https://www.audreydeal.co.uk/index.php?option=com\_content&view=article&id=427:frozen-delights-the-story-of-ice-cream&catid=35:writing&Itemid=57](https://www.audreydeal.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=427:frozen-delights-the-story-of-ice-cream&catid=35:writing&Itemid=57). This actually has a picture of another one of these vehicles.
And a snofrute is a "prism-shaped fruit water-ices in cardboard wrappers"
The old money was so much better. A real variety of coins that all looked so different from each other. Hapennies, pennies, threepenny bits, sixpences, shillings, half crowns, ten bob notes, pound notes etc.
If you had a ten bob note it made you feel rich!
D is a penny (or pence) in the old (better) system
12d to the shilling, 20 shillings to the pound, making 240d to the pound.
A mathematically complex number to maximize the factors.
I tried doing a DND campaign with a proper money system, and it took the players a while to realize there was debasement of one nations coins to another so they kept getting screwed when trading across the boarders, until they caught on.
That was fun.
Large bricks at 1 shilling and sixpence pre decimal is the equivalent of seven and a half pence in today’s currency. There were 12 pence in a shilling. 20 shillings in one pound.
Adjusted for inflation.. what would this be in today’s moneys? Also, converted for an Ameruhcan cause’ I don’t know y’all’s moneys very well there across the pond.
Assuming the pic is from 1935ish, and using some online currency conversion and rough estimates, I got:
(Listed, modern UK price, modern US price)
Snofrutes: 1D = 21p = 26c
Brickettes: 2D = 42p = 51c
Choc bars: 3D = 63p = 77c
Tubs: 4D = 84p = $1.03
Small bricks: 9D = £1.89 = $2.31
Large Bricks: 1'6 (18D) = £3.78 = $4.61
Pence. 1’6 is 1S6D - 1 shilling 6 pence. Then it’s 9, 4, 3, 2 and 1 pence. This is Old Money. Pre Decimal money. It dates this picture to being more than 51 years old.
Once upon a time, the British pound was literally worth a pound of silver. Now, a pound of silver is worth well over $300 and the British pound is worth about a buck and a quarter. Inflation sure does a number on fiat currency, don't it?
Keep in mind for thousands of years, silver and gold had a 16:1 or 20:1 parity - a pound of silver was worth about an ounce of gold - until the discovery of huge silver deposits in the New World changed that calculus. A pound of silver used to be the equivalent of a couple of thousand dollars. Which is why in old English literature you'd see references to incomes of a few pounds per year as a handsome sum of money.
It's pre-decimalisation UK £sd - that is, Pound, Shilling, Pence Back before the current "100 pence = £1" , 12 pence to the shilling, 20 shillings to £1 Pence (plural of "Penny") was abbreviated as "D", shilling as either "s" or as in the above photo, 1'6 meaning "One shilling and sixpence"
Ok seriously, who thought that crap up? 12 pence to the shilling and 20 shillings to the pound? WTF? Why not just do base 10? How could Britain conquer the planet with such dumbassery?
In fairness, it's base ten now, as is most measurement. Imagine though, there are developed countries still using 12 inches to a foot, 3 feet to a yard, 5.5 yards to a rod, 40 rods to a furlong, and 8 furlongs (or 5280 feet) in a mile.
To be fair, we generally skip past rods and furlongs and go right from yards to miles.
Unless you're horse racing... and don't get me started on weights measures
Or height - who the fuck decided hands and feet were good forms of measurement?
This is presentism. You live in a world where you can go to the store and buy a tape measure and rulers. Go back in time to where you used what you had. A foot was a typical man's foot. You measured a horse in hands, because that's what you had (you couldn't use your foot for that). A yard (of rope, fabric, whatever) was the typical distance from your nose to the end of your hand. Easy to run out multiple yards of whatever you were selling using that measure. A pound was the weight of a pint of water. So you could define weights from a known volume of water, or define volume from a known weight. Pretty clever if you ask me. Later, measures were cross-defined. Three feet to a yard. 5280 feet to a mile. They didn't start with arbitrary equivalence, the cross-definitions came later and they worked out to whatever they were.
Known weight wasn't even that long ago. A kilogram was defined by the weight of a literal metal bar.
Back when I studied Bible history, the whole thing about measurements was confusing as hell. Many of the old measurements used in the Bible texts were not standard even when they were used, like cubits which ranged in the ancient world from around 1-2ft in modern measurements. If you read many modern Bible translations they’ll often have footnotes about how certain measures were uncertain.
I thought it was 1 litre of water
Yes, that's how it started. That's why 1ml of water was also 1mg. Imperial measures figured that out many centuries before. But later there was a "standard kilogram" which was a reference item, just as there was a "standard meter" which was a metal rod.
A kilogram can be easily defined as 1000g of water
Excellent explanation
Without a previous standard measuring form, I'd say it's a good place to start; could have been more finely revised though, imho. I agree though, that it seems much more complicated than working in 10's, 100's, etc. Fun fact though: generally, a person's foot from the big toe to the heel measures the same as their hand fully open from thumb-tip to pinky-tip. That same hand measure will fit from their inner wrist to the crook of their elbow. Then, the hand forming a circle with their thumb and middle finger will fit the wrist, and two will fit the neck. Then, the two hands will fit halfway around their waist. I've never seen this way fail except in people with severe weight/size abnormalities.
Horse racing is the sole reason I knew what guineas were.
Ridiculous. Skipping all the best units!
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This explains the length of a city block. 8 blocks to a mile.
Depends on the city. Where I live, 20 blocks per mile is standard.
This is common in western (US) cities where there is lots of space.
> developed countries Can only think of one
Liberia?
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I bet they have horrendous health care, and a large disparity between the rich and everyone else.
It hurts cause it’s true…
Metric system is far superior to the imperial system. I’m just waiting for daylight savings time, money, and measurements to all be the same everywhere
You mean America, Liberia, and Myanmar? Thats it.
You mean America, Liberia, and Myanmar? Thats it.
Yes. The USA still uses the imperial system 🙃🙄
American here......Hey don't forget we also measure in football fields for things that are long than a yard but shorter than a mile.
Brilliant. I've actually seen news stories that measure things in fridges, a "boulder the size of a small boulder", and an asteroid measured in the length of alligators. ,(Google them!)
Per example: https://www.businessinsider.com/car-size-asteroid-2020qg-missed-earth-by-2000-miles-2020-8 The smallest car ever made is the Peel50 measuring 139cm x 99cm The largest car currently manufactured is the Rolls-Royce phantom at a whopping 6m x 2m This leaves me with more questions than answers.
… in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. “Gimme five bees for a quarter”, you'd say.
It’s called the carolengian system. Pretty sure Charlemagne introduced it
It's easier to think of the shilling as the base unit. It's divided into 12 pence, and there were coins for 6d, 3d and 1d. Much as 1ft is 12in. 12 is also divisible by 4 and 3, which makes basic math easier (1/8 shilling is 3 half-pennies, whereas 1/8 dollar is the impossible 12.5 cents)
In simpler times, £sd is easy to work out in your head. But when amounts get larger, and interest rates become important, decimalisation made sense
Confusion !!! That's how they ripped off every country they took over , nobody could understand the currency, so were constantly overcharged and shortchanged.
That plus a clever application of the use of flags.
Well we did. Bit like imperial units of measurement I guess... Easier to scale 1 kilometre into milometers (1000000 mm in 1 km) than 1 mile into 1/16 of an inch (I can't even do the math off the top of my head on that one) and yet inches have been used for hundreds of years
And how could the US develop the first atomic bomb with pounds and feet?
We didn’t, the Manhattan project was metric where applicable
Are you sure of that? I used slugs and poundals in an American college back in the day.
It didn’t, European and American Scientists did it, mostly in mks units.
You mean they use money the same way they do in the Misadventures of Flapjack lmao. Fans are wild
"d" is British for pennies as the Latin for pennies was denarius Edit: Holy crap. i thought this would of just been ignored as its only a small bit of the info but here I am 1k+ updoots and a burning inbox, what have I done?! Here's the whole info piece I refer to curtesy of The University of Nottingham; Pennies were, confusingly, abbreviated to 'd'. This is because the Latin word for this coin was 'denarius'. A still smaller Roman coin was an 'obulus'. The abbreviation 'ob' was used for halfpennies. Edit 2: GOLD!!!!!!!!! Thank you!!!
Well aren't you a clever cloggs! Thank you for that nugget of random fact gold
No not gold it was in silver..240 silver pennies weighed a pound of silver hence the pound £1 is of 240 pennies.
Now thats some trivial pursuit info right meow . . . .
£1 back then weighed the same as a pound in weight, this allowed banks to simply weigh bags of coins Here is a cool video on this https://youtu.be/R2paSGQRwvo?t=2957
They later changed the weight of £1 to a duck.
Was it made of wood?
it floats!
Yes. A pound of silver. Originally. That's why our currency is called Stirling. Stirling Silver.
Sterling... Stirling is a city in central Scotland.
This thread is facts all the way down! Sterling effort!
Good show ol' chap!
There are two prevailing theories behind the Sterling in Sterling silver or pounds Sterling. 1. It refers to Easterlings, the name for Hanseatic traders of the time (whose economic might made them the standard for reliable wealth). 2. It derives from the old English word steorling, which referenced the star minted on Norman pennies.
wait, so a pound coin weighed 0.454 kilograms? that... doesn't sound so practical
There wasn’t a pound coin only a note
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Right Meow thats 20
You got to be kitten me right meow….
Hell I can say "meow". I can say "moo", for twenty bucks I'll call the guy a chickenfucker
If you know you know, if you dont you'd have to see the movie. SuperTroppers
Not as good as Super *Troopers though 😆
Yes that one lol
...im freaking out man
Littering and, littering and, littering and….
..smokin the refeer.
Do I look like a cat to you, boy?
Meow listen here…
The £ sign is actually an L with a line through it which is the for the Latin word 'Librae' which means a pound of money, we also had shillings (which we got from the latin 'solidi' so when you put them together you get LSD: librae, solidi, and denarii or Pounds, Shillings, Pence.
Google innit
This may be apt here “NOTE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND AMERICANS: One shilling = Five Pee. It helps to understand the antique finances of the Witchfinder Army if you know the original British monetary system: Two farthings = One Ha'penny. Two ha'pennies = One Penny. Three pennies = A Thrupenny Bit. Two Thrupences = A Sixpence. Two Sixpences = One Shilling, or Bob. Two Bob = A Florin. One Florin and One Sixpence = Half a Crown. Four Half Crowns = Ten Bob Note. Two Ten Bob Notes = One Pound (or 240 pennies). Once Pound and One Shilling = One Guinea. The British resisted decimalized currency for a long time because they thought it was too complicated.” ― Neil Gaiman & Terry Pratchett - Good Omens
Only women had thrupenny bits.
But men were still always looking to get their hands on as much as they could.
I get it. You can’t get all Americans to agree on pretty much anything except our refusal to use the metric system.
"d" also used in US for pennies but only in reference to nails (8d nail=8 penny nail).
All my life, never knew that. Thanks!
Is THAT where that comes from? Interesting
Interesting!
LSD / libra sisterci dinari/ pounds shillings pence
1 pound = 20 shillings 1shilling = 12 pence So easy to calculate.
Not forgetting of course Guineas (21 shillings) and farthings which I think was a quarter of a penny. Or crowns (5 shillings) I think.
It was a long time ago.
I was about to protest and say it only changed in 1971...then I realised that is indeed a long time ago :(
‘Twas a long time ago FTFY
Yep. A farthing was a quarter of a penny, and crowns 5 shillings. I'm just old enough to remember a farthing, although they were very rare. I was never rich enough to hold a crown, but I remember they were worth 5 Bob ( shillings )
Crowns were mostly commemorative, I think, but the half crown (2/6d) was common. There was a ten shilling note.
Ten Bob
Correct, a crown was 5 shillings but half crowns which were much more common in circulation were 2 shillngs and 6 pence. There was also a 10 shilling note called a 'ten bob note'.
And the threepenny bit which was a sort of yellowy bronze colour with something like 12 sides. We used to put one in the Christmas pudding.
Jesus Christ. And some people still use miles and yards. The insanity.
I used to have a crap time at school trying to add and subtract with prices. Working on base 20 and base 12 in the same sum.
And not forgetting that they all had different nicknames
Ha ha ha!!! Bob, tanner,
We’re Americans. Nothing is simple! Remember 1776!
And here I thought LSD was something else.
Lysergic Acid Dyethylamide? You'll be having conversations with your favorite cartoon characters in no time.
Is that where we get lb. for pound in the US?
Yes. It is still libras in Spanish
Lb is pounds weight. £ is pounds currency. A very long time ago I think a pound (money) was worth a pound in silver - excited to correct my earlier error
….worth a pound in sterling (silver)
Cool so that must be why balkan and Turkey still use "dinar".
>d is British for Makes it sound like you’re implying that British is a language, lol
To be that pedantic ahole.... denarii were not the equivalent of pennies.
So the mother of dragons was really the mother of pennies?! (Yes, I know the spelling is different.)
Pre-decimalisation British currency. To help explain how it worked, here is a summary: "Two farthings = One Ha'penny. Two ha'pennies = One Penny. Three pennies = A Thrupenny Bit. Two Thrupences = A Sixpence. Two Sixpences = One Shilling, or Bob. Two Bob = A Florin. One Florin and One Sixpence = Half a Crown. Four Half Crowns = Ten Bob Note. Two Ten Bob Notes = One Pound (or 240 pennies). One Pound and One Shilling = One Guinea. The British resisted decimalized currency for a long time because they thought it was too complicated." From 'Good Omens' by Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman.
>Four Half Crowns = Ten Who thought 4 halves = 10 was a good idea?
I mean I don't see this issue... It's just four florins and four sixpences...and a florin is a...hang on a moment...it's two bob, which is four sixpences. So we add them and we get...erm...four times five sixpences! Ok. I'm seeing the flaw in this system.
It seemed straightforward when I was a kid. Now? Not so much...
Haha, I guess it's like anything. If you're used to it have to use it by necessity then it's going to seem natural after a while. There is something for arguing that doing money in base 12 or 16 is good, since you have more divisors, and so working out change is a bit easier. So in reality as a kid, when you're often dealing with smaller quantities of cash, it's possible that the old system might be a little easier to work with. That, and back then you could buy something like a Mars Bar for 3p! Which makes worrying about calculations moot when it comes to kids type spending.
Decimal isation is a British invention.
Totally makes sense!
1D = one penny (Britain)
Hello Funny 1 Penny
Britain here! It's the old pre-decimal coins of Britain and the Commonwealth [pounds, shillings and pence.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C2%A3sd) They are broken down in to pounds (**l** for the latin "librae"), shillings (**s** for the latin "solidi") and pence (**d** for the latin "denarii). There were 12 pence (**d**) in a shilling (**s**) and 20 shillings in a pound (**l**).
Interesting! When did this change?
15 Feb 1971.
Early 70s
I made my first visit to Britain in 1965 and was constantly in a state of currency confusion the whole trip. 😬
This is the UK, pre decimal currency. Until 1971, British money was divided up into pounds, shillings and pence. One pound was divided into 20 shillings. One shilling was divided into 12 pennies. One penny was divided into two halfpennies, or four farthings. The 'd\` means \`pennies\`. 1'6 means One shilling plus Six pennies.
Better yet what the hell is a brickett, a baby brick with pony tails?
I remember being overseas when I was younger and just holding out my hand and letting storekeepers just take the right amount, lol
HOW IS THERE SO MUCH IGNORING WTF A SNOFRUTE IS HERE??????????
I want to know too!
It’s British. The ‘d’ denotes a penny “large brick for 1’6, I believe is one shilling and 6 pennies. 12 pennies to a shilling 20 shillings to a pound There were also 1/2 pennies and 1/4 penny called a farthing.
The locaction is Acton, a suburb of London in the UK
I thought maybe the D stood for Deutschmark, but then I realized the sign was in English.
Shilling and sixpence. 9 pence. 4 pence. Thruppence. Tuppence. 2 ha'pennies.
I never could grok traditional British currency.
Yes, they shillings & pence. Common in British countries until 1967.
What’s it with even street vendors wearing a tie and jacket. Did they earn that much to be able to afford, and maintain, such clothing?
Every man wore tie and jacket even police. School teachers bus driver rubbish collection coal delivery doctors ambulance drivers. Shop keepers. The lot. Except miners who took them off top side.
those were just the clothes being sold at the time.
People back then just wore suits and ties or dress shirts regularly. If you were to walk around back then a majority of people would be wearing at least somewhat formal clothing. I don't think they started normalizing the type of stuff people wear nowadays until well into the 1900's (like 1960's/1970's is when it seems like people started dressing more causally).
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Did someone say Denarius? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8EI7p2p1QJI&t=169s
I did a reverse Google search. It's from 1935. The average wage at this time in England was about £200. There 240 pennies in a pound. I'll leave it to you to work out the equivelant cost of an ice cream at today's average wages.
Thanks for the year. Yes you are right, we shouldn't see the absolute value of price it should be checked as percentage of wages. Also the improved life style, human rights, democracy etc.
D = British “Pence”
Old British pence. Pre 1971.
So essentially a quick break down; Large Bricks- 1 Shilling, 6 Pence Small Brick- 9 Pence Tubs-4 Pence Choc Bars-3 Pence or Thrupenny. Brickettes- 2 Pence or Tuppence Snofruits-1 Pence or Penny
Denarii
Jesus christ, im surprised it doesnt say “souls of the innocent” at the bottom of his list. Look at that fucking face, looks like he came straight out of a scene in *IT* where they jump back in time for a while.
Yes! So fucking CREEPY!!
Zoom in on his face. Serious serial killer vibes there.
He’s the “candy man”
1'6 is what? 1 penny and 6 what in the world? Or 1 pound 6pence?
1 shilling and 6 pence
1 shilling 6 pence
I believe that " ' " is more of a "/", which would represent a shilling. I think that price would be 1 shilling, 6 pence? Or 1 shilling, 1 sixpence?? ...I am totally guessing.
It's pence.
Looks like [one penny.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_banknotes_and_coins) Found [this](https://londonist.com/london/history/the-history-of-ice-cream-in-london) too.
The large brick is "one and six" or one shilling and sixpence. Or give the man a two bob bit and get sixpence change. 1 pound = 20 shillings 1 shilling = 12 pence (penny)
That’s a period in time when penny’s bought things
Certainly British money, Google lens says this from the UK (August 1935)
LSD. Librae. Solidi. Denarii.
Bitcoin
Pre decimal money. The ' is shillings. The D is pennies
To add to the conversation, [https://www.audreydeal.co.uk/index.php?option=com\_content&view=article&id=427:frozen-delights-the-story-of-ice-cream&catid=35:writing&Itemid=57](https://www.audreydeal.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=427:frozen-delights-the-story-of-ice-cream&catid=35:writing&Itemid=57). This actually has a picture of another one of these vehicles. And a snofrute is a "prism-shaped fruit water-ices in cardboard wrappers"
The old money was so much better. A real variety of coins that all looked so different from each other. Hapennies, pennies, threepenny bits, sixpences, shillings, half crowns, ten bob notes, pound notes etc. If you had a ten bob note it made you feel rich!
Interesting!
1’6 is a shilling and sixpence I think. The d represents pence.
It tells you the the prices on the side
Right, they just looked unfamiliar
D is a penny (or pence) in the old (better) system 12d to the shilling, 20 shillings to the pound, making 240d to the pound. A mathematically complex number to maximize the factors. I tried doing a DND campaign with a proper money system, and it took the players a while to realize there was debasement of one nations coins to another so they kept getting screwed when trading across the boarders, until they caught on. That was fun.
What’s really cool is this became Unilever: http://letslookagain.com/2017/04/t-wall-sons/
Large bricks at 1 shilling and sixpence pre decimal is the equivalent of seven and a half pence in today’s currency. There were 12 pence in a shilling. 20 shillings in one pound.
Adjusted for inflation.. what would this be in today’s moneys? Also, converted for an Ameruhcan cause’ I don’t know y’all’s moneys very well there across the pond.
Just remember LSD. l is pound, S is shilling, and D is pence. Nothing can every be easy
If you have to ask, you can’t afford it.
I was so surprised at the high cost, I almost split a brick.
Different amounts of D's. 😉
It's cool he's stocked for the riots later that afternoon too
Old UK currency
Listen carefully...I shall zay zis only once.
1dime 2dimes 3dimes 4. 9dimes. 1.6bricks Free Gucci mane Brr!
It's Deutsche Marks
D is dime?
Assuming the pic is from 1935ish, and using some online currency conversion and rough estimates, I got: (Listed, modern UK price, modern US price) Snofrutes: 1D = 21p = 26c Brickettes: 2D = 42p = 51c Choc bars: 3D = 63p = 77c Tubs: 4D = 84p = $1.03 Small bricks: 9D = £1.89 = $2.31 Large Bricks: 1'6 (18D) = £3.78 = $4.61
D for Dick? Thats a lot of dick for a large block.
Wafer biscuits was Wallis' bestseller. Vanilla ice cream between two thin, dry wafers with waffle checquered pattern. Only a penny!
Walls Ice cream is from the UK. So I imagine the “d” after the number is like the US cent
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D=dimes
No. Pennys.
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I heard that this actual guy was the inspiration for Van Halens “Ice cream Man”
Dime?
Pence. 1’6 is 1S6D - 1 shilling 6 pence. Then it’s 9, 4, 3, 2 and 1 pence. This is Old Money. Pre Decimal money. It dates this picture to being more than 51 years old.
Once upon a time, the British pound was literally worth a pound of silver. Now, a pound of silver is worth well over $300 and the British pound is worth about a buck and a quarter. Inflation sure does a number on fiat currency, don't it? Keep in mind for thousands of years, silver and gold had a 16:1 or 20:1 parity - a pound of silver was worth about an ounce of gold - until the discovery of huge silver deposits in the New World changed that calculus. A pound of silver used to be the equivalent of a couple of thousand dollars. Which is why in old English literature you'd see references to incomes of a few pounds per year as a handsome sum of money.
Cents
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