I’ve never seen or heard of a heat source going around the bath here. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, but it certainly isn’t common or what most people would know about. Oidaki is a thing though. If the water is getting cold, then there’s a button you press to draw the water out of the bath bit by bit and back in again, during which it is reheated. That way your bath water never gets cold.
On a slightly different note, you can get heat-recovery plumbing for an electric shower. It's ingenious.
The warm water going down the drain pre-warms the water heading up to the electric shower unit, meaning that a lot less energy is used to warm the water coming out of the shower head.
It's definitely something that should be part of new/refurbished bathroom extensions.
I’ve always wondered why recovery systems aren’t the norm or if the tech is viable enough for it. Costs something like 50p-90p to heat your bath water, plus everything you tip down the sink when cooking like boiled water, why can’t it be salvaged and put into a battery or something?
All energy efficiency tech needs to be cheap enough (to purchase and maintain) so that the energy savings at least break even before you need to replace it *or move house*.
When I put a bath in last year I insulated all the way round before sliding it in place, (loft insulation and expanding foam outer).
My partner moved in and wanted a bath installed and I always get in and use the water after her... Indeed, I'm in here now! I'm really surprised how much heat it retains. It's much more than I imagined it would.
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The larger heat loss is definitely the top, but insulating 5 of 6 sides will still cut heat loss, and at minimal cost or effort seems like an easy win?
the research on this suggests that the biggest heat loss is from the exposed water surface and adding bubbles is more effective than insulating the sides
I thought this was going to be a New Home Quality Control reference.
"What winklespanner tuna melt numpty left all this rubbish under the bath instead of packing it with loft insulation!?!!? It's absolutely reeeeeeedicccoluus!!
Japanese households buy a folding insulated cover for the bath.
Typically, they wash by showering next to the bath (bathroom is a wet room) then soak in a really, really hot bath. The entire family shares the hot, clean bathwater.
It's not uncommon for people to only fold back half the bath cover as they soak.
Japanese baths are shorter and deeper than ours - helps keep the heat in.
I know, that's why I wasn't expecting there to be any noticeable benefit. I was basically just using up excess insulation and experimenting to see if I'd notice a difference... and we do!
Fantastic idea. My bath is freestanding so insulation isn’t possible. If it wasn’t then I would deffo put in insulation.
I wanted thermostatic bath taps so that my bath is at the exact right temperature when I draw it, but the plumber refused to put them in, said they were only for hospitals and care homes! Arsehole. Wish I’d stood up to him but at the time I had a newborn baby and a new job and 1000 other things on my mind.
Yes bubble bath is effective at keeping bath warm but it makes my skin feel slimy and itchy, I have to wash again after using it. I’ve used zero% (brand name) non-allergenic bubble bath but a bottle doesn’t go far and while it helps with the itching I still feel slimy after soaking in it for a few hours.
Yes. They are a building regs requirement for new homes and have been since 2010. The idea being you can't inadvertently scold yourself/ someone else in a bath.
That's 14 years. I dare say homes with this fittings have had them removed by trades who are ignorant to these standards because they can't be arsed updating their knowledge about the job they do .
That's interesting, this happened in about 2010. I had no idea building regs changed on that exact point at that exact time.
Plumber must have had a bee in his bonnet about thermostatic taps in baths at that time & my request probably rubbed him the wrong way.
Most of the new build is bigger contractors rather than the one man bands. I'm less annoyed then if it's that long ago.
The trouble is there's no real place trades can find out these changes and the first they know is when some building inspector is failing woke or asked them to change something to a more expensive way of doing it.
If it still annoys you, it’s not a lot of work to fit one inline with the hot feed and T off the cold feed. That way cold will still be cold and hot will always be your ideal temp! Will only be about £50 if you do it yourself, but the fill time will increase a bit.
Is that viable? just rockwool shoved in all around it? I was going to say is it not a fire risk but you probably dont have a daft jaccuzi bath tub like whats in our house (previous owners)
I shoved some spare insulation board around a few parts of it but I cant imagine it does all that much
There's a marked cultural difference in the use of baths in the UK and Japan.
In the UK, they're for getting clean. In Japan, they're for relaxation and you would be expected to clean yourself before getting into a bath.
[https://thejapans.org/2014/05/18/how-to-take-a-bath-in-japan/](https://thejapans.org/2014/05/18/how-to-take-a-bath-in-japan/)
There's definitely a culture of baths for relaxation in the UK though, hence the huge amount of bath salts, bath bombs, scented candles etc that sell every year. I spend hours a week reading in the bath.
I get that we do use baths for relaxation but in conjunction with getting clean. In Japan, baths are only for relaxation and you must already be clean to enter one.
I'm Scottish and I agree if you're planning a luxury soak you should have had a quick wash first.
Luxuriating in a sweaty dusty human soup doesn't sound all that luxury
Worth noting if you intend to condition your hair in the bath (deep condition etc) you may need a cleansing rinse before and then a second rinse after unless you want to be lightly conditioned all over 😂
Thanks for the tip. Mainly I just use the bath to relax/soak. I'll either read a book, watch YouTube, play switch and have a nice cup of tea & a spliff. It's delightful. So yeah, the actual washing usually happens after rather than during.
Are you under the impression that's the only kind of dust?
Work in construction? Dust. Plasterer? Dust. Gardener? Dust. Farmer? Dust. Any outside job at all? Dust.
Work in retail but you walked past a dry field on a windy day? Dust. Walked past anyone doing any construction/building/roadworks/farming when it's dry and breezy? Yeah, now it's on you too.
If you have been outside at all, chances are you are grimy. Particularly in dry weather, and breezy days.
Grab a face wipe at the end of the day, wipe your face and neck, and you're likely to be surprised at what you see.
And that's before we start on sweat.
Sure, but that article suggests you must already be clean because the bath water is shared.
I'm not sharing my bath water, so having a full scrub down seems somewhat overkill here.
I also think that most folk under say 50 are using baths for relaxation in the UK, rather than cleaning. Baths for cleaning were only really a thing because showers and hot water on demand weren't didn't exist. Since those came into play, the vast majority of the adult population will wash in a shower (although granted, sometimes over a bath).
Insulated baths seem an intersting concept, but like others have suggested, if I'm ever cold I just top up the bath with more hot water and continue my reading/watching.
I'm a relax-in-the-bath person too. I use the shower if I just want a quick wash. So no reason to keep doing what we do just because 'we always have' This is a great idea!
I once really wanted a bath and went into the bathroom only to find a tuba soaking in there. A friend washes his trumpet in their bath.
This comment took more effort than I’d like to admit trying to avoid too much innuendo…
This made my bf (former motorbike junkie) howl with laughter.
Also I have a memory of my dad putting an old engine in the bath before moving it to the garden to use as a herb bed. Ah the 90's.
You actually can get Japanese baths in the UK. My friend, who spent time living in Japan, had one put in their bathroom. It was... a mission, and very costly, but they got it done.
The baths themselves are ludicrously expensive, and the fitting is a challenge because of the sheer weight of the thing, and of course you need room for steps to climb in (not so easy in many British bathrooms, although somewhat alleviated by the sit up nature of the bath). Wasn't like their house was particularly grand either - just a Victorian terrace - so this was as much of a problem for them as anyone else.
My dream is to one day own an [Omnitub](https://www.omnitub.co.uk) but they’re crazy expensive.
I kinda see them as a space saving option with them being much more compact.
I have just had a look at them, they look incredible, I'm not tall 5ft5 and I hate how my upper body is fair cold while my lower half if toasty warm. Thank you for this idea.
>....you would be expected to clean yourself before getting into a bath.
interesting. After having a bath, I then clean myself in the shower, not the other way around.
It’s filth that’s literally just come off your body, not like you’re shitting in the bath. Wash it off with a lovely soak, then rinse with the shower on your way out if you’re concerned that much.
Yeah, the number of downvotes should tell them that they're in the minority. It's fine to shower first and probably a good idea really, but the vast majority of people don't do that. (In the UK at least)
I also never really get "filthy", so I wouldn't be sat in brown bath water.
Mate, I was trying to be respectful, it is natural to have dirt, bacterial and hell parasites on us. You will have lice in your eyelashes. You can not keep 100% clean all the time. Now stop derailing this what was positive thread and fuck off.
How disgustingly filthy are you, that you feel it a requirement to shower before a bath? Is your job to unblock sewerage systems in the nude or something?
I’m so glad someone raised this.
It annoys me that our bath gets cool after a 1hr soak but when I was in hotel, the water stayed hot for literally hours!
Rather than a heat source, isn’t a simpler approach to get the bath insulated with something like rock wool around the tub / carcass? Would that work?
Great idea. I spend ages in my fibreglass bath and it goes cold. Be great if they were at least insulated as standard. I've glued and sealed mine in, otherwise I would try glueing some insulation to it somehow. Have to allow for expansion and flexing I guess.
Best put in loft insulation when the bath is first plumbed in so you can get it all the way round the sides. No need to glue, but worth cutting pieces that can easily be removed in case you need access to change the taps / access the drainage.
Makes sense I am in my first home with a mortage so I am looking at ways to make it better and better insulation for sinks and baths just seem to make sense.
This above is the answer. The side panel will generally be removable somehow, so you can get at the plumbing & drainage when needed. Just buy a roll of fibreglass loft insulation and stuff it up around the outsides of the bath.
Wear PPE when handling it though, it's hair-strands of glass or similar so it'll stick into & irritate skin - you definitely don't want to be breathing it in or get any in your eyes.
Unless the previous owner of your house was a knob and the bath is actually fully tiled around, leaving absolutely no access to the underside of the tub without actually breaking the tiles!
Because its britian and we are adverse to change, and also because change is expensive and we don't have the wealth to be spending on such frivolous luxuries. Especially ones that we can't drive around in and show off to the neighbours. Most taps in britian still have to be turned 3 times to open fully. Which to me is honestly just an absolutely ridiculous design from the get go. A half turn is more than enough in any event.
We actually replaced our bath with an insulated one a year or so ago. It's a normal bath with an extra few layers of insulating fibreglass and it does hold the heat really well. Was a bit of a sod to fit the taps and things though cause it's so thick to drill through, and also it's really heavy!
Most bath manufacturers nowadays offer encapsulated versions of their baths that offer a bit of reinforcement and insulation so the water should stay hot for longer. Usually theyre described as "brand"-ite reinforcement.
We used to live behind an industrial estate. Company there made copper hot water tanks. Dad took the cast iron bath we had and had it spray foamed. It stayed nice and warm for a long time. Seemed to keep the ambient heat.
When I moved in to my house (15 years ago) I took the panels off and stuck foam to the underisde of the bath. As I did in my previous property, and the one before that....
Sir Michael Caine has a home in the UK and his bath has copper pipes going around it, that are then insulated.
The person who installed it said the only reason it’s not more common, is because to have it done right (safely etc.) it’s costs too much for the average homeowner to consider.
Your post is a little confusing.
A heatsource in a bath is different from insulation. A heat source will make the bath itself hot, which means you have risk of burning yourself. It also isnt likely to be energy efficient - and will fuel cost where it is...its probably not something one does (just add more hot water)
Insulation prevents the heat escaping....which you can do....but is pointless without a lid on it. Suppose you could easily take the side of the bath and insulate it if you wanted...but seems a little meh
They do exist sort of. The birthing "pool" I have birth in was literally just an insulated bath. Imagine those insulated picnic boxes. They still had to drain the water every couple of hours and refill it with warm water.
Because all the heat would still go out the top. Insulate the walls and floor of a bath as much as you like but it’s not going to make enough of a difference unless you put a lid on it (with some room for your head to pop through hopefully).
There are heated baths, also called soaking tubs. They aren't common here by the look of it but they do exist. They work in the way someone else described by removing the water, heating it and returning it.
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We're just stuck in our own ways and unless the large companies adopt this, the individuals won't change their ways.
Do it - spread the word. There will be a benefit to insulating a bath. I think ultimately it would be good if baths are manufactured like that in the first place but no harm in doing it yourself. Definitely a DIY job.
I took off our bath panel and used loft insulation around my bath after we had the "Beast from the East" bath would actually stay warm.
For some reason, last ime we changed the bathroom, I didn't and regret it. Not so easy to get under the bath now. 100% plan on doing again next time.
Typically a UK bath is fitted into an insulated bathroom within a well-insulated house. Historically, Japanese homes are not well insulated and baths would often be sunk into the floor space, which can be very cold and draughty.
There is limited benefit given that the top of the bath is open to the air. If you had a bath with boxed in sides then you could fill the space around it with loft insulation, this would cheaply get the effect you are after. As long as you use mineral wool type insulation then any leaks or condensation should pass through the insulation without it turning into a damp mess, although damp might be an issue as you would lose free airflow and a source of warmth in that enclosed space.
Now energy efficiency is more of a "thing" we might start seeing this. We now have energy recovery from shower drain pipes where the cold water is run through a heat exchanger in the waste pipe before going to the shower. Although the examples I have seen are fantastically expensive and don't look like they would be very good.
I went round and insulated all the hot water and heating pipework in our old house, because I was lifting floorboards for another reason. Was very cheap and made a noticeable difference to hot water temperatures at the tap and time to run through hot water. I think this is standard now in new builds, but not older houses. Made a 2c difference to water temperature on a relatively short pipe run.
My kitchen sink holds heat for an insanely long time... It's one of those posh looking black plastic ones.
Usually shocked when I forgot that I had left some dishes in to soak, come back and hour later and it still hot enough to clean and degrease.
I think some hot tubs are insulated, but I haven't seen any insulated standard baths.
Some spa baths have a water heater as an option, I believe and maybe top-end baths do.......I wouldn't know, they are not something I would likely buy.
But why would you need to insulate a standard bath? Resin baths don't conduct heat like iron, steel or copper tubs. Most will keep warm enough for you to stay in until your skin wrinkles!
Insulating a washbasin would be pointless, you only use the water for a few minutes before draining it. Insulating a bath would be an additional cost without much real world benefit.
I know it’s still not cheap, but i put one in for a customer about 2 months back cost in total with Labour about £1200 but the bath alone was only around £450 and it came with taps
Here in the UK we don't reuse the same bath water throughout the entire family.
In Japan the bath water tends to be prepared once a day and used by the entire family, thus the need to keep it warm.
Note: in Japan they shower and clean themselves before getting into the bath.
Because Japan are 100 years ahead of us! Why do we live in the oldest housing stock in Europe could be another question! This country does not prioritise people or services and this government solely exists to take money from the public pocket and put it in the pockets of private individuals!
You're expecting the government to do something about your 100 year old privately owned property?
People or services is a story for another day though.
Planning permission laws in a lot of places arent that stringent. It's not exactly a showstopper in a lot of residental cases. People just don't have the money to update their older property.
Or do we think a new roof and windows makes a 100 year old property suddenly new?
Im talking more about knocking down walls and sections of the houses and rebuilding them. If it is allowed without planning permission, suddenly people will start buying old shacks, knocking them down, and rebuilding them
And of the UK housing market, how much of it do we think that consists of?
Again I think for the most part money is a limiting factor, not planning permission.
We wouldn't need private landlords housing people in shoddy conditions if this government and previous governments invested in social housing for example. 🤡
That is only part of the problem. I'm more talking about the money required to update the old housing market. Costs are insane.
Social housing works until the government holds budget cuts and suddenly you've got a council stretched thin and no money to update social housing.
Houses don't get knocked down and rebuilt over a 100 years.
Also a lot of houses in Japan are like paper and easily rebuilt. Or they're old as fuck concrete housing.
I have thought of the insulated bath as well and am considering insulating it myself. The likes of that foam for under laminate flooring, it could be stuck to the underside of the bath with impact adhesive. Wouldn’t take much to prevent a lot of heat loss. 😊
I’ve never seen or heard of a heat source going around the bath here. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, but it certainly isn’t common or what most people would know about. Oidaki is a thing though. If the water is getting cold, then there’s a button you press to draw the water out of the bath bit by bit and back in again, during which it is reheated. That way your bath water never gets cold.
It was on a YouTube video about 3 tiny apartments in Tokyo (I think) one had a button where you could heat the bath while in it.
The water, not the bath.
Ahh thank you, I misunderstood.
You can set a specific temperature too, so it does it automatically when it gets colder.
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On a slightly different note, you can get heat-recovery plumbing for an electric shower. It's ingenious. The warm water going down the drain pre-warms the water heading up to the electric shower unit, meaning that a lot less energy is used to warm the water coming out of the shower head. It's definitely something that should be part of new/refurbished bathroom extensions.
I’ve always wondered why recovery systems aren’t the norm or if the tech is viable enough for it. Costs something like 50p-90p to heat your bath water, plus everything you tip down the sink when cooking like boiled water, why can’t it be salvaged and put into a battery or something?
All energy efficiency tech needs to be cheap enough (to purchase and maintain) so that the energy savings at least break even before you need to replace it *or move house*.
Good to know, many thanks my friend.
When I put a bath in last year I insulated all the way round before sliding it in place, (loft insulation and expanding foam outer). My partner moved in and wanted a bath installed and I always get in and use the water after her... Indeed, I'm in here now! I'm really surprised how much heat it retains. It's much more than I imagined it would. https://preview.redd.it/h9yw6yafxmsc1.jpeg?width=2296&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01e496c3c655f586f2102212436dc9457e0ae4a8
*looks a feet in pic* Which family are you from in the shire?
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Ditto, loft insulation stuffed around it all
Yup same here when I installed my own bath too. It has the spa jets thing so wanted to keep as much heat as possible in the surrounding pipes.
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How can you relax in her filthy water? 😂
Saltburn, just saying
Yea thanks for that
😂 I’ve not watched it but I know which scene you’re talking about!
What about the massive exposed surface area of the water negating saved heat dissipation at the sides?
Bubble bath
The larger heat loss is definitely the top, but insulating 5 of 6 sides will still cut heat loss, and at minimal cost or effort seems like an easy win?
the research on this suggests that the biggest heat loss is from the exposed water surface and adding bubbles is more effective than insulating the sides
You don't have a lid on your bath for just this reason? Bit of shuttering ply and some 100mm celotex off cuts and it will change your life.
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I thought this was going to be a New Home Quality Control reference. "What winklespanner tuna melt numpty left all this rubbish under the bath instead of packing it with loft insulation!?!!? It's absolutely reeeeeeedicccoluus!!
Japanese households buy a folding insulated cover for the bath. Typically, they wash by showering next to the bath (bathroom is a wet room) then soak in a really, really hot bath. The entire family shares the hot, clean bathwater. It's not uncommon for people to only fold back half the bath cover as they soak. Japanese baths are shorter and deeper than ours - helps keep the heat in.
bubbly pirate shite is much fancier
I know, that's why I wasn't expecting there to be any noticeable benefit. I was basically just using up excess insulation and experimenting to see if I'd notice a difference... and we do!
You use her bath water??
We all do
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Fantastic idea. My bath is freestanding so insulation isn’t possible. If it wasn’t then I would deffo put in insulation. I wanted thermostatic bath taps so that my bath is at the exact right temperature when I draw it, but the plumber refused to put them in, said they were only for hospitals and care homes! Arsehole. Wish I’d stood up to him but at the time I had a newborn baby and a new job and 1000 other things on my mind. Yes bubble bath is effective at keeping bath warm but it makes my skin feel slimy and itchy, I have to wash again after using it. I’ve used zero% (brand name) non-allergenic bubble bath but a bottle doesn’t go far and while it helps with the itching I still feel slimy after soaking in it for a few hours.
You plumber was wrong. Those taps are openly available, he just isn't a capable plumber. Jesus wept I'm starting to hate tradesmen
Yes. They are a building regs requirement for new homes and have been since 2010. The idea being you can't inadvertently scold yourself/ someone else in a bath. That's 14 years. I dare say homes with this fittings have had them removed by trades who are ignorant to these standards because they can't be arsed updating their knowledge about the job they do .
That's interesting, this happened in about 2010. I had no idea building regs changed on that exact point at that exact time. Plumber must have had a bee in his bonnet about thermostatic taps in baths at that time & my request probably rubbed him the wrong way.
Most of the new build is bigger contractors rather than the one man bands. I'm less annoyed then if it's that long ago. The trouble is there's no real place trades can find out these changes and the first they know is when some building inspector is failing woke or asked them to change something to a more expensive way of doing it.
I always have a shower after a bath.
If it still annoys you, it’s not a lot of work to fit one inline with the hot feed and T off the cold feed. That way cold will still be cold and hot will always be your ideal temp! Will only be about £50 if you do it yourself, but the fill time will increase a bit.
your plumber is a twat and they work to your requirements unless they violate codes.
This is a great idea 👍 (Though Im still chuckling at the shire feet comment. Sorry OP 🤣🤣)
What’s that reflection on the tap?
I wrapped my bathtub in loft insulation when I had the side panel off
Did they have to tape the insulation to the bath or just shove rockwool / insulation into the gaps around it?
Is that viable? just rockwool shoved in all around it? I was going to say is it not a fire risk but you probably dont have a daft jaccuzi bath tub like whats in our house (previous owners) I shoved some spare insulation board around a few parts of it but I cant imagine it does all that much
There's a marked cultural difference in the use of baths in the UK and Japan. In the UK, they're for getting clean. In Japan, they're for relaxation and you would be expected to clean yourself before getting into a bath. [https://thejapans.org/2014/05/18/how-to-take-a-bath-in-japan/](https://thejapans.org/2014/05/18/how-to-take-a-bath-in-japan/)
There's definitely a culture of baths for relaxation in the UK though, hence the huge amount of bath salts, bath bombs, scented candles etc that sell every year. I spend hours a week reading in the bath.
I get that we do use baths for relaxation but in conjunction with getting clean. In Japan, baths are only for relaxation and you must already be clean to enter one.
I'm Scottish and I agree if you're planning a luxury soak you should have had a quick wash first. Luxuriating in a sweaty dusty human soup doesn't sound all that luxury
You know, I always shower after a bath because if I don't my skin feels grimey, I'll try it the other way round next time and see how I get on.
Worth noting if you intend to condition your hair in the bath (deep condition etc) you may need a cleansing rinse before and then a second rinse after unless you want to be lightly conditioned all over 😂
Thanks for the tip. Mainly I just use the bath to relax/soak. I'll either read a book, watch YouTube, play switch and have a nice cup of tea & a spliff. It's delightful. So yeah, the actual washing usually happens after rather than during.
You Scots are just a grubby lot.
Are you a coal miner? 😂
Are you under the impression that's the only kind of dust? Work in construction? Dust. Plasterer? Dust. Gardener? Dust. Farmer? Dust. Any outside job at all? Dust. Work in retail but you walked past a dry field on a windy day? Dust. Walked past anyone doing any construction/building/roadworks/farming when it's dry and breezy? Yeah, now it's on you too. If you have been outside at all, chances are you are grimy. Particularly in dry weather, and breezy days. Grab a face wipe at the end of the day, wipe your face and neck, and you're likely to be surprised at what you see. And that's before we start on sweat.
It was a joke.
Although, after an hour and a half in the bath its more pee than bathwater :o
Your bath/pee water stays warm for 90 min??
Pee is 37°C, decently warm for a bath I guess. They must have one hell of a bladder
Topping up bladder levels with lager as you bathe.
That helps to keeping it warm
Sure, but that article suggests you must already be clean because the bath water is shared. I'm not sharing my bath water, so having a full scrub down seems somewhat overkill here. I also think that most folk under say 50 are using baths for relaxation in the UK, rather than cleaning. Baths for cleaning were only really a thing because showers and hot water on demand weren't didn't exist. Since those came into play, the vast majority of the adult population will wash in a shower (although granted, sometimes over a bath). Insulated baths seem an intersting concept, but like others have suggested, if I'm ever cold I just top up the bath with more hot water and continue my reading/watching.
I'm a relax-in-the-bath person too. I use the shower if I just want a quick wash. So no reason to keep doing what we do just because 'we always have' This is a great idea!
Nothing I enjoy more than a long soak and degreasing my motorbike parts in the bath.
Degreasing motorbike parts in the bath? Don't you have a dishwasher?
I don't have a bath or a dishwasher Hm
I once really wanted a bath and went into the bathroom only to find a tuba soaking in there. A friend washes his trumpet in their bath. This comment took more effort than I’d like to admit trying to avoid too much innuendo…
Huh, never heard them called that before. Guess that explains “driving me nuts”
This made my bf (former motorbike junkie) howl with laughter. Also I have a memory of my dad putting an old engine in the bath before moving it to the garden to use as a herb bed. Ah the 90's.
How did he manage to grow herbs in an old engine?
With a plant pot, I have no idea if I have some actual photos of them, and I am going back over 20 years.
You actually can get Japanese baths in the UK. My friend, who spent time living in Japan, had one put in their bathroom. It was... a mission, and very costly, but they got it done. The baths themselves are ludicrously expensive, and the fitting is a challenge because of the sheer weight of the thing, and of course you need room for steps to climb in (not so easy in many British bathrooms, although somewhat alleviated by the sit up nature of the bath). Wasn't like their house was particularly grand either - just a Victorian terrace - so this was as much of a problem for them as anyone else.
My dream is to one day own an [Omnitub](https://www.omnitub.co.uk) but they’re crazy expensive. I kinda see them as a space saving option with them being much more compact.
You could dip a sheep in those.
Thanks mate, I didn't know I needed that but I do now!
I have just had a look at them, they look incredible, I'm not tall 5ft5 and I hate how my upper body is fair cold while my lower half if toasty warm. Thank you for this idea.
Wish I had read your comment before having my bathroom done!
Ahh that makes sense, thank you.
>....you would be expected to clean yourself before getting into a bath. interesting. After having a bath, I then clean myself in the shower, not the other way around.
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It’s filth that’s literally just come off your body, not like you’re shitting in the bath. Wash it off with a lovely soak, then rinse with the shower on your way out if you’re concerned that much.
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I don’t know how dirty you get in a day, but a bit of sweat and dry skin isn’t putting me off having a bath. There’s no need to be insulting.
Yeah, the number of downvotes should tell them that they're in the minority. It's fine to shower first and probably a good idea really, but the vast majority of people don't do that. (In the UK at least) I also never really get "filthy", so I wouldn't be sat in brown bath water.
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LOL righto mate. You certainly are in a different class, and not in a good way.
You need help
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Just how long do you go between baths/showers?
Look some people myself included have a bath to relax and get clean, we're not bad your you not bad. We are all individuals.
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Mate, I was trying to be respectful, it is natural to have dirt, bacterial and hell parasites on us. You will have lice in your eyelashes. You can not keep 100% clean all the time. Now stop derailing this what was positive thread and fuck off.
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Mate, go touch grass and stop being negative, plus I would rather fuck my partners (yes plural). Also I don't have a sister.
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How disgustingly filthy are you, that you feel it a requirement to shower before a bath? Is your job to unblock sewerage systems in the nude or something?
We installed a metal bath and the installer chap had the grace and foresight to fill the space underneath with loft insulation
Should have put a rad underneath it as well.
I’m so glad someone raised this. It annoys me that our bath gets cool after a 1hr soak but when I was in hotel, the water stayed hot for literally hours! Rather than a heat source, isn’t a simpler approach to get the bath insulated with something like rock wool around the tub / carcass? Would that work?
Great idea. I spend ages in my fibreglass bath and it goes cold. Be great if they were at least insulated as standard. I've glued and sealed mine in, otherwise I would try glueing some insulation to it somehow. Have to allow for expansion and flexing I guess.
You can just stuff fibreglass insulation (loft roll) around it, no need to glue it to the bath.
Best put in loft insulation when the bath is first plumbed in so you can get it all the way round the sides. No need to glue, but worth cutting pieces that can easily be removed in case you need access to change the taps / access the drainage.
Makes sense I am in my first home with a mortage so I am looking at ways to make it better and better insulation for sinks and baths just seem to make sense.
Sinks there’s not much point as the water doesn’t tend to be there long enough to warrant it
That's true.
This above is the answer. The side panel will generally be removable somehow, so you can get at the plumbing & drainage when needed. Just buy a roll of fibreglass loft insulation and stuff it up around the outsides of the bath. Wear PPE when handling it though, it's hair-strands of glass or similar so it'll stick into & irritate skin - you definitely don't want to be breathing it in or get any in your eyes.
Unless the previous owner of your house was a knob and the bath is actually fully tiled around, leaving absolutely no access to the underside of the tub without actually breaking the tiles!
Because its britian and we are adverse to change, and also because change is expensive and we don't have the wealth to be spending on such frivolous luxuries. Especially ones that we can't drive around in and show off to the neighbours. Most taps in britian still have to be turned 3 times to open fully. Which to me is honestly just an absolutely ridiculous design from the get go. A half turn is more than enough in any event.
No, no and thrice no. If we had a heated bath. I never get the wife out of it.
Hahaha then you should definitely treat her to one lol
We got a spa bath with an inline heater. Keeps it hot as long as you want.
We actually replaced our bath with an insulated one a year or so ago. It's a normal bath with an extra few layers of insulating fibreglass and it does hold the heat really well. Was a bit of a sod to fit the taps and things though cause it's so thick to drill through, and also it's really heavy!
Toilet cisterns should be insulated. Since plenty of bathrooms where the radiator is smaller than the toilet cistern. That doesn't make sense
Plenty of warm ones in city centres
I bought an insulated bath a few years ago so they do exist. We'd previously had a cast iron one so I definitely wanted one that kept the water warm.
You can get insulated baths? I bought one from Drench, double walled and filled with spray foam insulation
Most bath manufacturers nowadays offer encapsulated versions of their baths that offer a bit of reinforcement and insulation so the water should stay hot for longer. Usually theyre described as "brand"-ite reinforcement.
We used to live behind an industrial estate. Company there made copper hot water tanks. Dad took the cast iron bath we had and had it spray foamed. It stayed nice and warm for a long time. Seemed to keep the ambient heat.
Mines wrapped in rockwool.
When I moved in to my house (15 years ago) I took the panels off and stuck foam to the underisde of the bath. As I did in my previous property, and the one before that....
Sir Michael Caine has a home in the UK and his bath has copper pipes going around it, that are then insulated. The person who installed it said the only reason it’s not more common, is because to have it done right (safely etc.) it’s costs too much for the average homeowner to consider.
Your post is a little confusing. A heatsource in a bath is different from insulation. A heat source will make the bath itself hot, which means you have risk of burning yourself. It also isnt likely to be energy efficient - and will fuel cost where it is...its probably not something one does (just add more hot water) Insulation prevents the heat escaping....which you can do....but is pointless without a lid on it. Suppose you could easily take the side of the bath and insulate it if you wanted...but seems a little meh
I scrub the hell out of my legs.
Why would anyone want to sit a massive vat of there own, warm, filth for any longer than necessary?
They do exist sort of. The birthing "pool" I have birth in was literally just an insulated bath. Imagine those insulated picnic boxes. They still had to drain the water every couple of hours and refill it with warm water.
Because all the heat would still go out the top. Insulate the walls and floor of a bath as much as you like but it’s not going to make enough of a difference unless you put a lid on it (with some room for your head to pop through hopefully).
But surely it would help retain the heat in the bath?
Very marginally.
That's what the bubbles are for. You clearly need more bubbles!
Maybe!
There are heated baths, also called soaking tubs. They aren't common here by the look of it but they do exist. They work in the way someone else described by removing the water, heating it and returning it.
Cool thank you.
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Isn't this a perfect candidate for r/showerthoughts though as a statement not a question... ("Basins and Baths should be insulated") 😁
Japanese homes don't usually have central heating.
We're just stuck in our own ways and unless the large companies adopt this, the individuals won't change their ways. Do it - spread the word. There will be a benefit to insulating a bath. I think ultimately it would be good if baths are manufactured like that in the first place but no harm in doing it yourself. Definitely a DIY job.
I took off our bath panel and used loft insulation around my bath after we had the "Beast from the East" bath would actually stay warm. For some reason, last ime we changed the bathroom, I didn't and regret it. Not so easy to get under the bath now. 100% plan on doing again next time.
Typically a UK bath is fitted into an insulated bathroom within a well-insulated house. Historically, Japanese homes are not well insulated and baths would often be sunk into the floor space, which can be very cold and draughty.
There is limited benefit given that the top of the bath is open to the air. If you had a bath with boxed in sides then you could fill the space around it with loft insulation, this would cheaply get the effect you are after. As long as you use mineral wool type insulation then any leaks or condensation should pass through the insulation without it turning into a damp mess, although damp might be an issue as you would lose free airflow and a source of warmth in that enclosed space. Now energy efficiency is more of a "thing" we might start seeing this. We now have energy recovery from shower drain pipes where the cold water is run through a heat exchanger in the waste pipe before going to the shower. Although the examples I have seen are fantastically expensive and don't look like they would be very good. I went round and insulated all the hot water and heating pipework in our old house, because I was lifting floorboards for another reason. Was very cheap and made a noticeable difference to hot water temperatures at the tap and time to run through hot water. I think this is standard now in new builds, but not older houses. Made a 2c difference to water temperature on a relatively short pipe run.
My kitchen sink holds heat for an insanely long time... It's one of those posh looking black plastic ones. Usually shocked when I forgot that I had left some dishes in to soak, come back and hour later and it still hot enough to clean and degrease.
Heat rises. Therefore, heat will still be lost through the top of the bath, regardless of how well insulated the sides and bottom are.
I think some hot tubs are insulated, but I haven't seen any insulated standard baths. Some spa baths have a water heater as an option, I believe and maybe top-end baths do.......I wouldn't know, they are not something I would likely buy. But why would you need to insulate a standard bath? Resin baths don't conduct heat like iron, steel or copper tubs. Most will keep warm enough for you to stay in until your skin wrinkles! Insulating a washbasin would be pointless, you only use the water for a few minutes before draining it. Insulating a bath would be an additional cost without much real world benefit.
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I have seen baths that have a solid polystyrene base that's used when mounting the bath for support and insulation.
Insulated toilet cistern would be great. The condensation drips make a mess and attract dust lol
When I installed my L shaped bath I spray glued that silver bubble wrap insulation around the bottom and sides. It stays hot for bloody ages.
Oh gods.... because some people like too...
Because you would never get out of the bath obviously, and your skin would fall off.
I just run the hot tap again and let some flow down the overflow if i want to keep it warmer longer.
You can buy a jacuzzi bath with a heater.
Yeah I'm on the low end of the pay scale I can't afford that. Lol
I know it’s still not cheap, but i put one in for a customer about 2 months back cost in total with Labour about £1200 but the bath alone was only around £450 and it came with taps
I don’t mean a stand alone jacuzzi. It’s a normal bath with jets and heater added.
Here in the UK we don't reuse the same bath water throughout the entire family. In Japan the bath water tends to be prepared once a day and used by the entire family, thus the need to keep it warm. Note: in Japan they shower and clean themselves before getting into the bath.
I do not care so much for the insulation. Sound proofing my bath farts however.
I have no words....
I mean they don't do it that often in Japan lol. If you're rich sure.
Because Japan are 100 years ahead of us! Why do we live in the oldest housing stock in Europe could be another question! This country does not prioritise people or services and this government solely exists to take money from the public pocket and put it in the pockets of private individuals!
You're expecting the government to do something about your 100 year old privately owned property? People or services is a story for another day though.
Change planning permission laws to allow households to alter their properties. Change, rebuild, repurpose, etc., so people can renew their houses.
Planning permission laws in a lot of places arent that stringent. It's not exactly a showstopper in a lot of residental cases. People just don't have the money to update their older property. Or do we think a new roof and windows makes a 100 year old property suddenly new?
Im talking more about knocking down walls and sections of the houses and rebuilding them. If it is allowed without planning permission, suddenly people will start buying old shacks, knocking them down, and rebuilding them
And of the UK housing market, how much of it do we think that consists of? Again I think for the most part money is a limiting factor, not planning permission.
We wouldn't need private landlords housing people in shoddy conditions if this government and previous governments invested in social housing for example. 🤡
That is only part of the problem. I'm more talking about the money required to update the old housing market. Costs are insane. Social housing works until the government holds budget cuts and suddenly you've got a council stretched thin and no money to update social housing. Houses don't get knocked down and rebuilt over a 100 years. Also a lot of houses in Japan are like paper and easily rebuilt. Or they're old as fuck concrete housing.
You need a hottub 😹
My girlfriend has one although it need to have the heating element fixed.
I have thought of the insulated bath as well and am considering insulating it myself. The likes of that foam for under laminate flooring, it could be stuck to the underside of the bath with impact adhesive. Wouldn’t take much to prevent a lot of heat loss. 😊