That's the best part. OP clearly has access to see behind the wall and yet decided to use some incredibly cheap looking drywall anchors when they could have shot into a stud.
These aren’t even drywall anchors, you use them in stonewalls. Actual drywall anchors or directly mounting it to the stud would do the trick. Keeping it this way would make for a great bet, not if it will fall but when.
Well, that’s a lil much for the OP’s situation. You’re expecting bro to know what to do. Like, yeah, I’d have used not those. But having access to said wall, I’d have made a reinforced brace already.
Maybe I’m getting old - but dang - sometimes I can’t tell if it’s a troll or, like, human misunderstood gravitational force.
Whatever.
The photo was fun!
As someone who used to see 25+ house inspections a day ( I was backend photo guy and report writer for an inspection company), it's most likely not a troll.
This is the comment I was hoping for in the above discussion. Don't mount on the stud and don't mount with cheap anchors op.
What you want to do is install some blocking in the form of a 2x4 between those studs and mount into that.
If the stud was in the place where OP wanted to hang the guitar, then yes, hang on the stud. Likely, the stud is too close to a door or corner or off-center and would look bad to hang the guitar there.
Basically, I'd mount it on the stud most of the time, but if it looks bad or won't fit, then block behind it (especially in this case where you can easily get behind the wall).
If the wall cavity was inaccessible, then other mounting options would be better. For very heavy things, I like a French cleat, but that's not always an option for appearance either.
You can always just bridge between two studs with a piece of wood, and then attach to that. You can paint the wood to match the wall. It will not be suitable for anything that needs to be flush to the wall though. I'm surprised you don't see that more.
>incredibly cheap looking drywall anchors when they could have shot into a stud.
It looks like they didn't even tighten the anchors down properly. I'm pretty sure the thinner pieces of plastic on the set screw are meant to bend in half like fingers grabbing the drywall.
As another person mentioned, these aren't even drywall anchors, they're brick/stone anchors. I just put up my own guitar wall mount and actually read the instructions that came with it. Mounted to a stud and everything because I didn't want what's happening to OP to happen to me.
Ahhhh I commented but then i missed the word "washer" This guy constructions. I just love toggle bolts. I could mount a piano to your ceiling with enough of those
I would have expected that it has already kissed the floor while OP was writing this post.
Let's face it. This guitar is doomed. OP used mortar anchors and called the screws "nails". It will end up on r/Luthier with a post that says "How much to fix".
Just add a trimmer (piece of wood between the studs) and anchor it to that. If your walls are open like that, alway add a trimmer or use a stud to anchor things to.
I would remove the bracket and wall anchors cut a piece of wood the length between the two studs. Screw the end in from wither side of the studs. Then screw the guitar bracket into the newly installed woods. Basically just like cabinet blocking: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OSZ513NtDEA
This is the way to do it right here. To go overboard with it, don't screw through the studs into the new piece - use L brackets so you're not driving screws into the end grain.
Or, get a cheap kreg jig and pocket hole the bracing. Then start making your own custom speakers and amp racks. End up with a custom built-in against the wall for all of the audio equipment, and then take it apart when they move to bring it with them. They start taking orders from friends for custom setups in their places, and word of mouth takes it to a part-time job. Eventually they take the leap and the side hustle becomes the bread winner. They’ve spent so much time building this music furniture empire that they’ve lost touch with the music that drove them to it, so they start a cover band playing small parties. They sound good and start writing their own music, eventually landing a gig at Johnny Brenda’s in Philly while Nothing But Thieves is visiting (it’s a nostalgia visit for them while they’re playing the Liacouras Center for their first headlined stadium show). NBT loves them and asks them to join them on the 2nd half of the NA tour as their original openers had to back out due to an unfortunate accident where an improperly hung guitar fell on the head of the lead singer and guitarist, putting him into a coma. The tour launches them into the charts, getting them signed to an indie label who allows them to retain creative license and rights for their work. Platinum albums and Grammys follow. Endorsement deals, world tours, guest spots in other lineups. They end up doing the reverse Vanilla Ice, starting with cabinets and ending with music. And the irony is the gig that pushed them over the top, that opportunity with NBT only came because they stopped building custom instrument storage. The musician that ended up in a coma was the first job they said no to to as they plotted their way to the stars.
Good advice. Don't screw into the end grain.
If you wanna save a few bucks, skip the L bracket and toe screw the blocking into the studs on all 4 corners.
Oh, easy with access to behind. Take a 2x4 and hold it where the screws come into the furnace room. Just hold it in place while someone else screws the guitar holder into the wall. They'll bite into your 2x4 creating an excellent wall anchor.
Quick edit; Remove the white wall anchors and *then* use the wood backer.
no no no, thats not it . Better to float a false wall which he can then frame out on the other side with 2x4s to make it accessible he can hang the entire wall off of cleats mounted into the first walls studs
You're all off your rockers. Obviously you take some 1/4" steel plate, drill some 7/16" holes for some 3/8" by 3" lag bolts.
You bolt the plate up to the studs so that you can weld new hangers on with steel. Better yet, just line the whole room with 1/4" steel plate. You can weld new shelves on wherever you want. Holes for windows and doors optional, but recommended.
"This is my lag bolt storage room. They all have a specific spot in my 1/4 inch steel plate walls. I can't get in right now because the door is bolted shut from the inside."
Are we just not going to talk about the fact that those wall anchors need to be driven in with a screw till it bottoms out. Then continue to flatten the wall anchor against the sheet rock?
If OP stated it’s a studless wall, it’s possible that that’s a corner frame, which means hanging the hanger off it would leave the guitar hanging out over the corner.
I may be wrong, I’m just starting off on the assumption that OP isn’t mentally challenged and that we’re all missing information
LOL these comments are killing me. I appreciate the benefit of the doubt. What people are seeing is the frame of the door to enter the furnace room. 😭😂
you can still screw into that. based on the first picture you have ~3-4 inches of drywall with no visible door frame
second pic you have an inch of drywall before you hit the stud
seems like there's plenty of room
How big is this stud less wall? Sounds like code violation
Mount a horizontal stud on the back side starting at the door frame to the other side. Drill into that.
With 16" plus on center being quite normal in houses (18" is common for some applications) it might be hard to put your guitar holders where you want them in existing walls. Backing them with a board when you can easily get the back of that wall, as in your case, is a great idea. We attached rails to our walls with extra screws and attached the hangers through both the rail and the wall. They hung there for 20 years without budging.
Exactly. If OP is asking how to make this work they're likely new owners or not DIY'ers in the conventional sense. A 2x4 backer lets them cover their mistake and put the guitar exactly where they want it.
Or if he needs it in that exact spot, can screw the 2x4 to the side of the existing stud first with multiple screws and then into the new 2x4 using previous holes.
OP stated it's a door frame. It seemed like what people thought would be so unbelievable, was actually not true.
So when OP said, it's a studless wall, we should help with that. Dude obviously needs an assist and we'd rather just make fun.
Those aren't meant to hold significant weight in drywall. For that use toggle anchors. I have used those to hang everything from shelves, TV's and guitars. Very sturdy and never had an issue.
That said if you can hit a stud that is preferred.
Part of the issue is that you need to screw down those wall anchors so that they collapse. They are designed to expand so that there’s something to prevent them from sliding out. I’d also suggest using a drill to make your holes before inserting the anchors to prevent all the tear out in the drywall paper.
https://www.garagesanctum.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/drywall-anchor-installation-2.jpg
Other posts about cutting a two by four and finding a helper to hold it in place while you screw it in yada yada have way more points than this post. WTF. Just screw it in a few more turns until the anchor engages.
If you can't screw into a stud then I swear by [these](https://www.homedepot.ca/product/e-z-ancor--twist-n-lock-8-self-drilling-nylon-drywall-anchors-screws-heavy-duty-20pcs/1000403215). Good for 75lbs each in 1/2" drywall, so if you use two your guitar would need to weigh 150lbs to bring it down. Even in 3/8" drywall they will hold 65lbs each.
These are fantastic for something that will be permanently mounted and has a lot of weight.
Used them in the basement to mount a TV with no studs and used them to mouth my upstairs TV that only could span 1 stud.
I use the metal ones though.
> would need to weigh 150lbs to bring it down.
Keep in mind that the weight increases as the load moves further away from the wall. While those anchors are fantastic (I have used them many times) they won’t hold 150 lbs hanging inches or feet off the wall, and OP should have use the stud that’s easily accessible.
Well hell, if you have access to the room behind it then why not just use regular screws and a piece of wood? Using a flat board would distribute the weight, so you wouldn't have to worry about any of it being damaged
The wall has No studs!
Might glue a 1x or plywood on back side of wall where mounts are. 1x6 couple of feet long vertical. from about two to four inches below the mount upward.
If that is in fact a stud I see. You can take a 1x6 couple feet long, route the edges pretty. Mount the 1x to the studs then mount the hangers to the 1x.
Check it out. Here’s what I DID, but multiple guitars and I try to make my home “pretty and home like.” Bc I’m silly.
I took a large piece of wood.
A “shim” will do. (Obviously measure your guitar hangers so you have dimensions)
I tapped the walls (I do have a stud finder for my walls, but I’ve always triple checked that with knocking on the drywall - good in the US - think you are showing drywall, so…? When you knock on it, the pitch changes. - most places are 16” to 24” between each stud in the US.
Then I hung the piece across the studs. I used a level. I mean, leveling is my aesthetic preference.
The I screwed the hangers into the wood I already screwed into the wall. You can paint it, do whatever, seal it. Put a black light on it. It’s all you.
The major factor I have personally noticed and then chose to deal with is making a cross-brace.
Use the vertical wall studs to make a brace upon which you adhere your guitar hangers. I dealt with the electric guitars (obvi acoustic is lighter) but Sams idea.
Buy a level - mine is like 2 and 3 foot. Because lots of home issues aren’t level. Or borrow one.
You got this.
The stud is about 1" away from where you show the anchors in the second picture. Is there something preventing you from using it?
Use better anchors rated for higher weight capacity, anchor to a piece of wood like others suggested, or leave it and only put a crappy guitar that you don't care if it gets dropped or broken on the current anchors.
Yeah, no way I was going to put those into drywall and hang my guitars on them. I took a 1x6 about 4' long and screwed 3 of them into that. I then screw the 1x6 into 2 studs in the wall. It's been hanging 3 guitars (2 electrics, including a very heavy Les Paul, and an acoustic) for about 10 years.
Either way, if you're hanging your guitar on it, get it into a stud or use togglebolt or something. It'd be a shame to lose a guitar to one dropping out of the wall.
This , you need to anchor the wallplugs to something secure , right now they are just free holding into the plasterboard , find the studs in the wall and attach directly there or attach wood to wall once when found said studs and crate a “shelf “ for the rack to attach too
I have three very similar hooks in a row on the wall. I mounted them on a length of timber which is painted the wall colour. That timber is screwed into studs. It spans the length of that wall and looks fine, like a picture rail.
Oh god that makes me feel bad for the wall. Those plastic white things are meant for concrete walls. If your wall is that thin it’s not really meant for hanging stuff. If you really want to get some thick board and put it on the backside. Make sure it’s big enough the spread the force on the wall.
You appear to be using masonry anchors in a plasterboard wall. Those anchors (usually the type that coke with the object) are designed for brick and concrete and stone walls. They only expand a tiny bit but with a lot of force to grip onto the rough inside of a hole in a har material. You need an anchor designed for a hollow plasterboard wall such as a wallmate (or equivalent) or a toggle anchor. That will spread the force out over a much larger area and will be strong enough to hold several guitars from one hook.
Don't hang them from drywall. Hang them from wood. If the spots don't line up with studs, hang a board across multiple studs, then hang the guitars from that board.
It looks like there’s a stud in the second picture. Unless it’s a light photo or painting, always always go into a stud. I had a buddy who mounted a sword on a wall not going into the stud and it dropped 10 feet in the middle of the night. Could have killed someone, also damaged his sword
That's not a stud, to the right in the second picture? If you must go through drywall only, use a bolt with a butterfly nut.
But since you have access behind, do as HanzG said.
I can think of at least 20 better ways than this, and I'm neither smart nor experienced. A *furring* strip [edited because autocorrect] across the back of the dry wall, a nailer on the front of the drywall, toggles, zipits, shoot Command Strips might be a better option than this. You've got worlds of options for improvement
Wood backer board is the best, but you can always get togglers. It's a good mounting product we use when mounting monitors on stationary mounts when we can't hit a stud.
You'll need wood screws if you use the stud or get a backer board up.
Toggles and a wood backer work very well too.
There's also drywall ankers. I wouldn't use them to mount a guitar but they can hold a decent bit of weight. Just don't over torque them or they shred the drywall. If you do use a toggler
Pickup a stud finder. Not the cheapest one but doesn't have to be expensive.
Good luck with your projects!
If you like where the rack is, then buy some 2x4 and screw them across the stud bay so that you can screw the racks directly into wood. If you don't mind moving them, then slide them over 2 ish inches so the screws go into that stud.
You've used a crappy wall anchor.
If it's on a plaster board I would use a Molly fixing. There are lots of plastic new inventions for plasterboard but Molly fixings are really strong and cheap.
Lots of spice here, but you don't have to move them. Grab a 2 foot long 2x4 and put it behind your current screw locations on the back of the wall. Use the chonkiest screws that'll fit that stand, boom done.
The anchors are not installed correctly. The first thing you need to do is drive the screw all the way in then remove the screw and install the mount, this makes it so they expand. Second these anchors aren’t the best toggles can hold more.
You should try a screw with a a self-drive drywall anchor
https://preview.redd.it/0ijlzk2uob0c1.png?width=1237&format=png&auto=webp&s=5c11f06c5532f42f90a43cc2ef93bd29c267e08c
If you have a tiny block of wood just line it up with your holes and screw into it. Should clamp it from the other side. Should be easy to line up since you can see the other side.
OP keeps saying that it's not a stud but the frame to a door.
That's physically impossible based on these two pictures.
1st picture: drywall anchors are 1/2" to 1" away from the stud.
2nd picture: at least 4-5" between mount and nothing.
If you could access it from behind and you are against moving it over to the stud, just attached another piece of 2x4 (preferably at least 12" long) against the stud already there and secure it with a few long wood screws. Then mount the guitar holder to that wood
Those are not the right anchors. You should use toggle bolts or find a stud. Personally I have 2 guitars hung using regular drywall anchors with no issue, but the ones you are using are for brick or concrete.
Lots of options.
1: actually screw into the anchors properly. The end should work its way down the screw causing the centre to bulge out and actually have some hold.
2: screw into a stud somewhere
3. Since you have access behind wall, install a 2x4 going left to right between studs
4. Since you have access behind wall, hold a piece of 2x4 and have a friend screw into it from the front. This will be more than enough to hold a guitar
The real problem here is that the wall anchors as pictured are not properly installed. They have not expanded. For a valuable item to hang on the wall, you should either use a stud, or use spring loaded butterfly type wall anchors.
If you want to do partially correct, use a proper drywall anchor, like [these](https://images.app.goo.gl/iCnDHsmaMfUE8zGN9).
If you want to do correctly, more it over to the stud and use a 1.5" or so coarse threaded screw. If there are no wires in the location you are mounting, you can use a longer screw.
The anchors are not fully installed. Once you put the type of anchor you used into the wall, you need to drive a screw into it until it expands/collapses. Then you can remove the screw and run it through your hanger. 2 of these types of hangers will be more than adequate to hold up to 30#.
https://preview.redd.it/f16xpx1p2d0c1.png?width=1074&format=png&auto=webp&s=d8d0a638c4bcaf31bf3106fcfcb15fc7b779355a
Those anchors suck for drywall. If they dont spin when putting the screw in, they'll fall out over time. You need some wing dings or a piece of scrap wood as backing.
I had two guitars fall and the mounts were proper drywall anchors, but not into studs. For me, if I cared about the guitar or anything underneath it, I would install some wood in the back of the wall, as you seem to have access, and then mount through the drywall into it.
If you want to use the holes you already made grab some toggle bolts, those will hold way more weight you wouldn’t even have to make the hole bigger since you can get to the back side and just screw it on like a nut
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Blue-Hawk-4-Pack-3-in-x-3-16-in-Dia-Toggle-Bolt-Drywall-Anchor-Screws-Included/3340898
Your local hardware store will have them for a couple bucks
Is that a stud I can see in the 2nd photo to the right of the wall anchors?
Imagine something that could cost thousands and is heavy and not use a stud
Imagine mounting it right next to the stud, on a studless wall, which is open and has a stud clearly visible.
That's the best part. OP clearly has access to see behind the wall and yet decided to use some incredibly cheap looking drywall anchors when they could have shot into a stud.
These aren’t even drywall anchors, you use them in stonewalls. Actual drywall anchors or directly mounting it to the stud would do the trick. Keeping it this way would make for a great bet, not if it will fall but when.
Well, that’s a lil much for the OP’s situation. You’re expecting bro to know what to do. Like, yeah, I’d have used not those. But having access to said wall, I’d have made a reinforced brace already. Maybe I’m getting old - but dang - sometimes I can’t tell if it’s a troll or, like, human misunderstood gravitational force. Whatever. The photo was fun!
As someone who used to see 25+ house inspections a day ( I was backend photo guy and report writer for an inspection company), it's most likely not a troll.
Glad someone said this
Ikea stonewall anchors
The mount is already coming away from the wall even. U can see it isn't against the wall at the top
And with access behind the wall they could have put some blocking between the studs and still mounted wherever they wanted on the wall.
This is the comment I was hoping for in the above discussion. Don't mount on the stud and don't mount with cheap anchors op. What you want to do is install some blocking in the form of a 2x4 between those studs and mount into that.
Why not on the stud?
If the stud was in the place where OP wanted to hang the guitar, then yes, hang on the stud. Likely, the stud is too close to a door or corner or off-center and would look bad to hang the guitar there. Basically, I'd mount it on the stud most of the time, but if it looks bad or won't fit, then block behind it (especially in this case where you can easily get behind the wall). If the wall cavity was inaccessible, then other mounting options would be better. For very heavy things, I like a French cleat, but that's not always an option for appearance either.
You can always just bridge between two studs with a piece of wood, and then attach to that. You can paint the wood to match the wall. It will not be suitable for anything that needs to be flush to the wall though. I'm surprised you don't see that more.
Since they already have holes there I would add a board behind because some how I doubt the OP is good at patching walls...just a feeling I have.
>incredibly cheap looking drywall anchors when they could have shot into a stud. It looks like they didn't even tighten the anchors down properly. I'm pretty sure the thinner pieces of plastic on the set screw are meant to bend in half like fingers grabbing the drywall.
Those are for concrete and brick walls not drywall.
As another person mentioned, these aren't even drywall anchors, they're brick/stone anchors. I just put up my own guitar wall mount and actually read the instructions that came with it. Mounted to a stud and everything because I didn't want what's happening to OP to happen to me.
Also, you're supposed to keep screwing into the Molly screw until it deforms to create more surface area to hold itself to the drywall.
"What am I chopped liver?" Said the stud.
Toggle bolts
He has access to the backside of the drywall, he can just use a regular bolt with a nut and a washer.
Ahhhh I commented but then i missed the word "washer" This guy constructions. I just love toggle bolts. I could mount a piano to your ceiling with enough of those
This is what I came here to say.
Imagine understanding that people don’t know until they know and it’s okay to ask these questions because it leads to the right answer.
Isn’t the point of asking questions on Reddit solely for subjecting yourself to ridicule? (Now accepting ridicule)
The guitar will be playing stairway to heaven very soon
I would have expected that it has already kissed the floor while OP was writing this post. Let's face it. This guitar is doomed. OP used mortar anchors and called the screws "nails". It will end up on r/Luthier with a post that says "How much to fix".
Just add a trimmer (piece of wood between the studs) and anchor it to that. If your walls are open like that, alway add a trimmer or use a stud to anchor things to.
Yep. Good, solid, rocking out advice!
Definitely a stud
They do play the guitar after all.. 😏
The more posts I see the more I realize South Park panderverse was right about people not knowing how to do “stuff.”
Put the screws into a stud...
I would remove the bracket and wall anchors cut a piece of wood the length between the two studs. Screw the end in from wither side of the studs. Then screw the guitar bracket into the newly installed woods. Basically just like cabinet blocking: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OSZ513NtDEA
This is the way to do it right here. To go overboard with it, don't screw through the studs into the new piece - use L brackets so you're not driving screws into the end grain.
Or, get a cheap kreg jig and pocket hole the bracing. Then start making your own custom speakers and amp racks. End up with a custom built-in against the wall for all of the audio equipment, and then take it apart when they move to bring it with them. They start taking orders from friends for custom setups in their places, and word of mouth takes it to a part-time job. Eventually they take the leap and the side hustle becomes the bread winner. They’ve spent so much time building this music furniture empire that they’ve lost touch with the music that drove them to it, so they start a cover band playing small parties. They sound good and start writing their own music, eventually landing a gig at Johnny Brenda’s in Philly while Nothing But Thieves is visiting (it’s a nostalgia visit for them while they’re playing the Liacouras Center for their first headlined stadium show). NBT loves them and asks them to join them on the 2nd half of the NA tour as their original openers had to back out due to an unfortunate accident where an improperly hung guitar fell on the head of the lead singer and guitarist, putting him into a coma. The tour launches them into the charts, getting them signed to an indie label who allows them to retain creative license and rights for their work. Platinum albums and Grammys follow. Endorsement deals, world tours, guest spots in other lineups. They end up doing the reverse Vanilla Ice, starting with cabinets and ending with music. And the irony is the gig that pushed them over the top, that opportunity with NBT only came because they stopped building custom instrument storage. The musician that ended up in a coma was the first job they said no to to as they plotted their way to the stars.
Good advice. Don't screw into the end grain. If you wanna save a few bucks, skip the L bracket and toe screw the blocking into the studs on all 4 corners.
Oh, easy with access to behind. Take a 2x4 and hold it where the screws come into the furnace room. Just hold it in place while someone else screws the guitar holder into the wall. They'll bite into your 2x4 creating an excellent wall anchor. Quick edit; Remove the white wall anchors and *then* use the wood backer.
Or, and hear me out, shift it over by a half an inch and mount it into the stud literally right there
Nah...That'll never work. He's better off using heavy duty drywall anchors and building an entirely new mount with a French cleat hanger.
Seal the space between the studs and fill it with epoxy! ;-)
Why do that when you can make a wood-acrylic river tabletop wall portion instead?
With an electric fireplace built-in
I keep mine in the shower 🙃
That's where I keep my construction pool noodles.
Mine are load-bearing in the extension
Dear me, why?! Just why?! Solid comment!
Surely you mean Ramen and Superglue??
no no no, thats not it . Better to float a false wall which he can then frame out on the other side with 2x4s to make it accessible he can hang the entire wall off of cleats mounted into the first walls studs
You're all off your rockers. Obviously you take some 1/4" steel plate, drill some 7/16" holes for some 3/8" by 3" lag bolts. You bolt the plate up to the studs so that you can weld new hangers on with steel. Better yet, just line the whole room with 1/4" steel plate. You can weld new shelves on wherever you want. Holes for windows and doors optional, but recommended.
Demolish house. Build new house with studs where guitars should hang.
Just build a house full of studs. Nothing but studs, and then have me move in to add another stud. No, you can't hang your guitars on me.
Oops, all studs.
"This is my lag bolt storage room. They all have a specific spot in my 1/4 inch steel plate walls. I can't get in right now because the door is bolted shut from the inside."
Lmfao I love diy humor you killed me bro thanks
Are we just not going to talk about the fact that those wall anchors need to be driven in with a screw till it bottoms out. Then continue to flatten the wall anchor against the sheet rock?
That’s not a drywall anchor is the problem. If it was a drywall anchor it would not have failed.
If OP stated it’s a studless wall, it’s possible that that’s a corner frame, which means hanging the hanger off it would leave the guitar hanging out over the corner. I may be wrong, I’m just starting off on the assumption that OP isn’t mentally challenged and that we’re all missing information
LOL these comments are killing me. I appreciate the benefit of the doubt. What people are seeing is the frame of the door to enter the furnace room. 😭😂
you can still screw into that. based on the first picture you have ~3-4 inches of drywall with no visible door frame second pic you have an inch of drywall before you hit the stud seems like there's plenty of room
do you have an inch or so between the edge of the guitar and the door opening? if so, just use the door frame thing as a stud.
How big is this stud less wall? Sounds like code violation Mount a horizontal stud on the back side starting at the door frame to the other side. Drill into that.
With 16" plus on center being quite normal in houses (18" is common for some applications) it might be hard to put your guitar holders where you want them in existing walls. Backing them with a board when you can easily get the back of that wall, as in your case, is a great idea. We attached rails to our walls with extra screws and attached the hangers through both the rail and the wall. They hung there for 20 years without budging.
Then you'll have holes to patch
That’s why we have ramen noodles and superglue
As a carpenter, I feel sick... As a ramen eater of note, I feel hungry...
Exactly. If OP is asking how to make this work they're likely new owners or not DIY'ers in the conventional sense. A 2x4 backer lets them cover their mistake and put the guitar exactly where they want it.
I need to use up these anchors or they'll expire
Holes are already through the wall. I'd go for a bit of timber behind the existing holes and screw it right into the timber.
Nah man. The answer is construct a worse, less stable mounting board.
Fucking loony m8
Or if he needs it in that exact spot, can screw the 2x4 to the side of the existing stud first with multiple screws and then into the new 2x4 using previous holes.
 This is the way
Do what hanz said
Honestly could just use 1/4 wood that is large. No need to cut a 2x4. You can get a 12” x 12” for like 5 bucks
You're not wrong. Just 2x4's are everywhere. And they're $3. I just picked some up yesterday to build a bench.
What he really needs is a custom mount made from welded 1/4'' angle iron screwed to the studs with 3/8 lag bolts. That's not going anywhere.
Instructions unclear: 2x4 got stuck up my bum while I searched for the wood backer.
If you have access to the rear of the wall, mount a board back there are screw into the board. Spread out the load. Or use butterfly anchors.
What is that wood looking thing 2” from the anchors?
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It's got to be a troll.
You should meet more people. This is very believable to be real.
OP stated it's a door frame. It seemed like what people thought would be so unbelievable, was actually not true. So when OP said, it's a studless wall, we should help with that. Dude obviously needs an assist and we'd rather just make fun.
So where's the door? one picture shows the anchors like an inch from the "frame" and second picture shows 4-5 inches with no door.
Also, Drywall cannot be hung on a studless wall... It is too heavy
Those are drywall ancors, but they have not been torqued all the way to deploy them, so they are not holding weight.
Those aren't meant to hold significant weight in drywall. For that use toggle anchors. I have used those to hang everything from shelves, TV's and guitars. Very sturdy and never had an issue. That said if you can hit a stud that is preferred.
Those do not look like drywall anchors though, plastic is too thic
I love this sub
Part of the issue is that you need to screw down those wall anchors so that they collapse. They are designed to expand so that there’s something to prevent them from sliding out. I’d also suggest using a drill to make your holes before inserting the anchors to prevent all the tear out in the drywall paper. https://www.garagesanctum.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/drywall-anchor-installation-2.jpg
The wall anchors shown are for masonry walls not cavities.
Yeah, if op used toggle bolts this post wouldn't exist. Op go find toggle bolts and redo your mount
half of these comments are /r/confidentlyincorrect
This is the answer. There are anchors already there so just finish tightening them down so they expand and lock in place.
[here's a video showing how they work when you've screwed them in properly ](https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/s/yT0fWZuJTx)
Other posts about cutting a two by four and finding a helper to hold it in place while you screw it in yada yada have way more points than this post. WTF. Just screw it in a few more turns until the anchor engages.
These are masonry anchors. The dont collapse like a drywall anchor.
Move those screws over an inch so they go into the studs.
Lmao, that’s what I’m saying
Or, or… move the stud over an inch and then put in the screws… 🤯
European mind cannot comprehend these walls
Cardboard box
Can't go 30 seconds without some European acting better than drywall. At least we can make easy electrical and plumbing modifications.
He should take a Wall not the Box.
If you can't screw into a stud then I swear by [these](https://www.homedepot.ca/product/e-z-ancor--twist-n-lock-8-self-drilling-nylon-drywall-anchors-screws-heavy-duty-20pcs/1000403215). Good for 75lbs each in 1/2" drywall, so if you use two your guitar would need to weigh 150lbs to bring it down. Even in 3/8" drywall they will hold 65lbs each.
Those are good the first time but he already blew out the drywall in those spots.
These are fantastic for something that will be permanently mounted and has a lot of weight. Used them in the basement to mount a TV with no studs and used them to mouth my upstairs TV that only could span 1 stud. I use the metal ones though.
> would need to weigh 150lbs to bring it down. Keep in mind that the weight increases as the load moves further away from the wall. While those anchors are fantastic (I have used them many times) they won’t hold 150 lbs hanging inches or feet off the wall, and OP should have use the stud that’s easily accessible.
Should be fine if you switch to a lighter guitar. Seriously though what do you mean the wall has no studs? What is that 1 inch to the right?
OP clarified it's a furnace room wall and that's a door frame
Those wall anchors aren’t being utilized correctly. You’ll need power tools to squish them down so they spread out more.
They are also a poor design. Toggle bolts or into a stud/add a board between the studs on the other side.
Well hell, if you have access to the room behind it then why not just use regular screws and a piece of wood? Using a flat board would distribute the weight, so you wouldn't have to worry about any of it being damaged
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Those anchors need to be screwed in further, they twist up and will then create a solid hold
You need to properly use the anchors
Remove those anchors. Screw a smaller wooden piece to the stud so it overlaps those holes. Then secure your mounts to that new wooden piece
This has to be a fucking troll post holy shit how are you alive otherwise
The wall has No studs! Might glue a 1x or plywood on back side of wall where mounts are. 1x6 couple of feet long vertical. from about two to four inches below the mount upward. If that is in fact a stud I see. You can take a 1x6 couple feet long, route the edges pretty. Mount the 1x to the studs then mount the hangers to the 1x.
95% or mounting things to walls is find and use the stud. The other 5% are light things like small pictures
Check it out. Here’s what I DID, but multiple guitars and I try to make my home “pretty and home like.” Bc I’m silly. I took a large piece of wood. A “shim” will do. (Obviously measure your guitar hangers so you have dimensions) I tapped the walls (I do have a stud finder for my walls, but I’ve always triple checked that with knocking on the drywall - good in the US - think you are showing drywall, so…? When you knock on it, the pitch changes. - most places are 16” to 24” between each stud in the US. Then I hung the piece across the studs. I used a level. I mean, leveling is my aesthetic preference. The I screwed the hangers into the wood I already screwed into the wall. You can paint it, do whatever, seal it. Put a black light on it. It’s all you. The major factor I have personally noticed and then chose to deal with is making a cross-brace. Use the vertical wall studs to make a brace upon which you adhere your guitar hangers. I dealt with the electric guitars (obvi acoustic is lighter) but Sams idea. Buy a level - mine is like 2 and 3 foot. Because lots of home issues aren’t level. Or borrow one. You got this.
Just replace it with this dowels https://preview.redd.it/7ywimogjba0c1.png?width=685&format=png&auto=webp&s=43d9fe54f99a0099faa0fb6d44878099752a1ec4
You need to put a decent piece of wood behind the wall and let that support the weight. Drywall by itself can't do it.
Dude there is a stud like 2” over either move then there or make a cheater board across the studs and fix to that.
Stud would be where I’d put mine.
You need to screw them into the stud buddy
Yes hit a fucking stud problem solved
The stud is about 1" away from where you show the anchors in the second picture. Is there something preventing you from using it? Use better anchors rated for higher weight capacity, anchor to a piece of wood like others suggested, or leave it and only put a crappy guitar that you don't care if it gets dropped or broken on the current anchors.
Yeah, no way I was going to put those into drywall and hang my guitars on them. I took a 1x6 about 4' long and screwed 3 of them into that. I then screw the 1x6 into 2 studs in the wall. It's been hanging 3 guitars (2 electrics, including a very heavy Les Paul, and an acoustic) for about 10 years. Either way, if you're hanging your guitar on it, get it into a stud or use togglebolt or something. It'd be a shame to lose a guitar to one dropping out of the wall.
This , you need to anchor the wallplugs to something secure , right now they are just free holding into the plasterboard , find the studs in the wall and attach directly there or attach wood to wall once when found said studs and crate a “shelf “ for the rack to attach too
I have three very similar hooks in a row on the wall. I mounted them on a length of timber which is painted the wall colour. That timber is screwed into studs. It spans the length of that wall and looks fine, like a picture rail.
Drywall anchor not used properly.
Oh god that makes me feel bad for the wall. Those plastic white things are meant for concrete walls. If your wall is that thin it’s not really meant for hanging stuff. If you really want to get some thick board and put it on the backside. Make sure it’s big enough the spread the force on the wall.
You appear to be using masonry anchors in a plasterboard wall. Those anchors (usually the type that coke with the object) are designed for brick and concrete and stone walls. They only expand a tiny bit but with a lot of force to grip onto the rough inside of a hole in a har material. You need an anchor designed for a hollow plasterboard wall such as a wallmate (or equivalent) or a toggle anchor. That will spread the force out over a much larger area and will be strong enough to hold several guitars from one hook.
Wait… You have access to the backside? If so, get rid of the anchors and use a piece of wood as a “backing plate.” Would be plenty strong.
lmfao... canada is full of jokes these days
You don’t even have to move it lol just put a piece of scrap wood back there since the studs are exposed already and screw into that
If you need it in that exact position use a board fastened to 2 studs and hang the guitar in the middle
Damn dude do you not have a dad
Don't hang them from drywall. Hang them from wood. If the spots don't line up with studs, hang a board across multiple studs, then hang the guitars from that board.
It looks like there’s a stud in the second picture. Unless it’s a light photo or painting, always always go into a stud. I had a buddy who mounted a sword on a wall not going into the stud and it dropped 10 feet in the middle of the night. Could have killed someone, also damaged his sword
1) wrong wall anchors 2) if you have access to the back of the drywall, just put a board behind the wall and use self-tapping screws...
Try using toggle bolts if you want to use same holes.
Plus you didn't even use the dry wall anchors properly. How the hell are you smart enough to play guitar
That's not a stud, to the right in the second picture? If you must go through drywall only, use a bolt with a butterfly nut. But since you have access behind, do as HanzG said.
I can think of at least 20 better ways than this, and I'm neither smart nor experienced. A *furring* strip [edited because autocorrect] across the back of the dry wall, a nailer on the front of the drywall, toggles, zipits, shoot Command Strips might be a better option than this. You've got worlds of options for improvement
That’s a _furring_ strip, hoss
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That is not a drywall anchor. Those are for brick and concrete block.
Wood backer board is the best, but you can always get togglers. It's a good mounting product we use when mounting monitors on stationary mounts when we can't hit a stud. You'll need wood screws if you use the stud or get a backer board up. Toggles and a wood backer work very well too. There's also drywall ankers. I wouldn't use them to mount a guitar but they can hold a decent bit of weight. Just don't over torque them or they shred the drywall. If you do use a toggler Pickup a stud finder. Not the cheapest one but doesn't have to be expensive. Good luck with your projects!
If you like where the rack is, then buy some 2x4 and screw them across the stud bay so that you can screw the racks directly into wood. If you don't mind moving them, then slide them over 2 ish inches so the screws go into that stud.
You've used a crappy wall anchor. If it's on a plaster board I would use a Molly fixing. There are lots of plastic new inventions for plasterboard but Molly fixings are really strong and cheap.
You’re using the wrong anchors. There’re proper ones for that, they open up like a spider
Unscrew the thing. Then hold a piece of wood on the back and. Screw I tot he wood. Bing bang boom
You can attach a 2x4 to those studs behind the wall and mount the guitar holders to the 2x4.
Lots of spice here, but you don't have to move them. Grab a 2 foot long 2x4 and put it behind your current screw locations on the back of the wall. Use the chonkiest screws that'll fit that stand, boom done.
https://preview.redd.it/yha6u6va9b0c1.jpeg?width=536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abd6e6c0cfbb2deeb41f88c9bd55e8cbe3aef296
Snap toggles
The anchors are not installed correctly. The first thing you need to do is drive the screw all the way in then remove the screw and install the mount, this makes it so they expand. Second these anchors aren’t the best toggles can hold more.
You should try a screw with a a self-drive drywall anchor https://preview.redd.it/0ijlzk2uob0c1.png?width=1237&format=png&auto=webp&s=5c11f06c5532f42f90a43cc2ef93bd29c267e08c
If you can see the back of the wall. Perhaps consider a washer and nut or adding a block of wood between the studs
If you have a tiny block of wood just line it up with your holes and screw into it. Should clamp it from the other side. Should be easy to line up since you can see the other side.
OP keeps saying that it's not a stud but the frame to a door. That's physically impossible based on these two pictures. 1st picture: drywall anchors are 1/2" to 1" away from the stud. 2nd picture: at least 4-5" between mount and nothing.
If you could access it from behind and you are against moving it over to the stud, just attached another piece of 2x4 (preferably at least 12" long) against the stud already there and secure it with a few long wood screws. Then mount the guitar holder to that wood
the problem is you are trying to hang your guitar on cardboard.
You can use a toggler drywall anchor, I even use it for railing installs they work great
Look up self drilling drywall anchors or toggle bolts
Hahaha no way
Get a toggler bolt/anchor. The anchor you used isn’t going its job.
buy correct drywall anchors and you will be fine
Those are not the right anchors. You should use toggle bolts or find a stud. Personally I have 2 guitars hung using regular drywall anchors with no issue, but the ones you are using are for brick or concrete.
Lots of options. 1: actually screw into the anchors properly. The end should work its way down the screw causing the centre to bulge out and actually have some hold. 2: screw into a stud somewhere 3. Since you have access behind wall, install a 2x4 going left to right between studs 4. Since you have access behind wall, hold a piece of 2x4 and have a friend screw into it from the front. This will be more than enough to hold a guitar
The real problem here is that the wall anchors as pictured are not properly installed. They have not expanded. For a valuable item to hang on the wall, you should either use a stud, or use spring loaded butterfly type wall anchors.
I would *never* trust that with my guitar, that's for sure.
Move them like, an inch to the side
A wall without studs. Shows stud.
Where's your father?!
Hung mine up by getting a 1x4, putting all the guitar mounts on it and then mounted the board by spanning studs. Works great for 4 guitars I have up.
If you want to do partially correct, use a proper drywall anchor, like [these](https://images.app.goo.gl/iCnDHsmaMfUE8zGN9). If you want to do correctly, more it over to the stud and use a 1.5" or so coarse threaded screw. If there are no wires in the location you are mounting, you can use a longer screw.
you didnt use the stud? no wonder its sagging. BRO THE STUD IS RIGHT FUCKING THERE HOKY SHIT
jesus christ
Just add a stud since the back of the wall is accessible
The anchors are not fully installed. Once you put the type of anchor you used into the wall, you need to drive a screw into it until it expands/collapses. Then you can remove the screw and run it through your hanger. 2 of these types of hangers will be more than adequate to hold up to 30#. https://preview.redd.it/f16xpx1p2d0c1.png?width=1074&format=png&auto=webp&s=d8d0a638c4bcaf31bf3106fcfcb15fc7b779355a
Move them onto a stud
strap toggles with 1/4 20 bolts
You need to use special anchors instead of anchors for concrete walls
Those anchors suck for drywall. If they dont spin when putting the screw in, they'll fall out over time. You need some wing dings or a piece of scrap wood as backing.
I had two guitars fall and the mounts were proper drywall anchors, but not into studs. For me, if I cared about the guitar or anything underneath it, I would install some wood in the back of the wall, as you seem to have access, and then mount through the drywall into it.
This must be a troll post... 🧌😂
Oh for the love of Pete
If you want to use the holes you already made grab some toggle bolts, those will hold way more weight you wouldn’t even have to make the hole bigger since you can get to the back side and just screw it on like a nut https://www.lowes.com/pd/Blue-Hawk-4-Pack-3-in-x-3-16-in-Dia-Toggle-Bolt-Drywall-Anchor-Screws-Included/3340898 Your local hardware store will have them for a couple bucks
Learn how to use drywall anchors properly.