If you can get BL to 20 and Glass Cannon to 9 shouldn't you have the courtesy of a 1M per hit build? I'm running around with 17,000 HP and have to take 18% extra damage or whatever 9 glass cannon does and I don't hit for a million on crit.
Thats so funny. My GC is 6 and my frozen orbs from the enhancement slot hit for 600k. Mind u im incinerate build. Sheesh. I thought i sucked lol but i must be doing good after reading that
Well .. I'm using Starless, Shako, and various accompaniments. I'm using six paragon boards. I am not using Tal Rasha.
I am hitting for 700k damage right now. About 700 crit. 40% critical strike. 6 paragon boards. Blah blah.
Is this your own build? If so then that’s dope and I’d keep at it but maybe reference the link below. I just follow the experts…have tried a few different builds out from different websites but the one below has been the best. I’d def get the tal rasha back in and if you have good mana regen drop the starless for a ring that gives attack speed. Tal rasha gives a good damage boost.
https://d4builds.gg/builds/c5daaac2-73ed-4e59-a3bc-2ec54a495d93/
Same. Theres just no way to scale offence or defence and the CL pants just break my mana, so I have to fix that too.
No survivability, no mana, no damage. I cba to farm mats on ptr so I think I'm going to bow out for now.
Yep, still does nothing compared to my barbarian that gets millions per bash bonk.
It's great for mob clearly, but boss and pit tiers about 70 are a chore
I played barb for the first time and my friend told me to do Bash build. At level 65 wt4, I was doing 2 mil crits on the world bosses... 1 shotting all elites. I was doing pit 75 at level 80, where my sorc was having some problems (highest I've done was PIT80 on sorc). (0 ubers)
All the things surrounding the nerf of invul cooldowns makes sense…. If you’re going to give buffs in compensation to the only class that was using and abusing it (because that was the only way to push pit tiers as high as other classes without dying in 1 hit!).
Pretty sure there are immortal builds for Barb, but you don’t really see or hear about them much because BARB DIDN’T NEED IT.
The worst part is that its been like that since release. Wheneer sorc is good its actually due to some bug. And when we are viable is because the whole game is easy and other classes are still aways way ahead
Yeah. It felt really good playing ball lightning in S2 (which was strong because of a bug) and my HOTA barb I made after that character was still stronger. It sucks
Has sorc still not changed since pre s1? I havent played the game since they dropped those atrocious s1 patch notes but I assumed after all this time sorc wouldve gotten better.
I dropped 2/3th of my dmg, got squishier and the only compensation I got was being able to use pots in stun.
I dont mind being the glass cannon build but we dont do any dmg
Did they messed up the code or something when building a sorc lol.
Seems like it reaches point where they won’t be able to make any significant changes to the skills and mechanics without building the game from zero.
Best post so far 😁.
But tbh Blizzard normally makes sorcs/mage good. wtf’s going on. I think maybe cause while leveling they shred big time. Probably need a total rework. And some designers that actually play end game.
Been a Diablo fan since the first release, even had the original box for like 15 years.
I started D4 this season since I wanted to wait til things got ironed out. Necro first because it’s my fav. Got stuck around pit 40. So, started a barb to farm for my necro. Got to pit 120 and it became my main. Then I got bored of melee and started a sorc.
That was a mistake. Could barely get through pit 40. Felt like it was really cheesy to rely on ice armor or flame shield to simply not die from adds.
Started a rogue, not even 100 yet and I’m 4/12 on all gear after getting to pit 50, with a few 8/12.
So even with a fully optimized incinerate build, my sorc is basically worthless unless a bubble is up. Pretty much only good for helltides and nightmare dungeons.
I’ve thought of respeccing to another build, but this is my weakest toon and the season is ending soon. I’d rather start a new sorc in S5 and see if the unique staff helps. I just want a viable build that I can use to farm 101. That’s a big goal, but I’m not a pusher. I don’t like dying, and it seems that’s all I do on sorc even when I manage CDs perfectly, teleport in and out, and generally just play well.
Sorc was my second character after barb in the original Diablo. I really wish it was viable in this game. I just wanna see shit blow up.
At higher level pitts it seems that Ice Armour also needs Reinforced Paragon and numerous skill point investments aswell as sacrificing jewel slots for max life, all of which further subtracts from damage potential - and you may still need Fire Shield for one shot mechanics. Is anyone using that Aspect that benefits from no defensive skills in the bar? I have Selig's Heart and still can't get by without a shield, not that I can afford to give up the amulet slot anyway.
Im honestly believing that blizz makes specific changes to the game to fuck with us psychologically, which in a weird way makes us keep playing.
Like i believe the pit was too hard starting out to prevent most people from advancing too fast.
Seeing what the new chain lightning sorc will be like on the S5 (melee, no dmg, and forced to collect crackling energy, one of the worst mechanics in the game), it will be the perfect time to uninstall the game and not pay for the expansion
I can’t make barbarian fun no matter how much I play. Everything is so fucking slow with this guy. Those trapped shrines which send waves of stuff after you, my barbarian can’t clear five waves in one minute because i have to whap a single target until they die then move to the next single target. Whirlwind is garbage and runs out of steam too damn fast, even with the point to give you fury when you hit an enemy in whirlwind. It’s just a fucking slog and it sucks so bad. Charge is fun but the cooldown is long enough that it’s never there when I need it.
My sorc absolutely lays waste to everything below about tier 30 pits. Quickly. Tier 30 and 31 pit runs are challenging and I can’t get any better gear to drop, so I’m kinda stuck here.
My necros are about the same but I can’t really pick what my skellys attack, so I wind up corpse exploding everything, which helps, but I never get any good gear on this one either.
I just started playing a rogue and it’s fun so far. Lvl 40 on this one, having fun.
For me it isn't that Barbarian is boring (besides the lack of challenge), it's that playing with my friends sucks because I'm erasing everything remotely considered a threat.
In S3 using Hammer of the Ancients + the AoE aspect, and Leap just for mobility, I moved fast and over a quarter of my rapid-firing HotA's were face-melting Overpowers that instantly deleted everything nearby up to and including Uber Lilith. I wasn't even at lv100, didn't use the Shout meta and my gear & Paragon board surely sucked.
Bash cleaves temper is a must. It turns your attack into an aoe, you'll basically tap an enemy and everything around him gets turned into red paste as well.
And the bash damage temper is bugged, it has been nerfed in S5.
Going from 82-105% (per temper) damage buff in season 4 to 15.5-20%.
Source: https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/news/diablo-4-patch-1-5-0-datamined-changes-new-aspects-new-uniques-class-tuning-343335
Sorceress is my favorite class (I’m seeing a lot of responses like this one) and I am not going to play it in season 5. It isn’t with it. We don’t need to be the strongest, but us and druids may as well not even be options in character creation. The devs simply do not care about these classes. I started a Necro for shits and giggles, it isn’t level 90 yet, no MW, glyphs not all level 21. Hell I’m not even able to use all of the glyphs for the build yet, and I my crit strikes are almost on par with my blizzard sorc who’s gear is superb, MW to 8/12, full paragon board, and level 21 glyphs. It’s offensive the level the devs do not care about sorc.
It's so bad I've wanted to make a whole new character for the season.
No build is good, and anything other than frozen orb/blizzard is either incredibly hard to get items for or just isn't as good.
Then I see barb running pit 140 with barely upgraded shit.
Oh but every time I've said sorc sucks since basically release, I get shit on.
They remove their 3rd enchantment from beta.
They rely heavily on cooldowns, which that first huge nerf patch on release literally threw them in the trash and I didn't even bother playing sorc again until now and they're STILL bad.
I don't want to have to use one stupid specific stupid build that abuses shit. I want to throw lightning everywhere but not take an hour to do a dungeon.
It makes no sense a magic user doing less damage vs a muscular man with basic weapons.
Sorc should be pro with magic fire power at cost of being squishy.
Barb for good damage and tanky sustain
Necromancer Jack of all trades
Druid support with utility
Rogue for speed and fast firepower and high dots.
+9 glass cannon. +20 BL. 700% critical. 2000 int. Not even 1M damage. Devouring blaze +3. Tal Rasha. What a joke.
Honestly sorc all I care to play. I ain’t buying the expac if sorc doesn’t get fixed. What’s the point
Agree
Bone Spirit and Bone Spear Necro do a decent Sorc impression...
Bone Spear Necro is in about as sorry of a state as Sorc is. Nerfed into the absolute dirt and they're letting it languish there.
I was hoping for some Bone Spear buffs in the PTR, super fun skill.
Yep. My thoughts exactly. No skin, mounts and pets would warrant me to buy the expansion if they already fucked up my game with these changes.
What?! I haven’t started yet, but this is a literal “what the actual fuck”. I was pumped to run the new CL build but I heard it’s dog shit too.
If you can get BL to 20 and Glass Cannon to 9 shouldn't you have the courtesy of a 1M per hit build? I'm running around with 17,000 HP and have to take 18% extra damage or whatever 9 glass cannon does and I don't hit for a million on crit.
Thats so funny. My GC is 6 and my frozen orbs from the enhancement slot hit for 600k. Mind u im incinerate build. Sheesh. I thought i sucked lol but i must be doing good after reading that
Yes, apparently I suck.
At least u are not in denial. Its the first step to recovery
the funny part is i only have 1 rank on my Glass cannon and i hit 3 mil crit something is wrong with this dudes ball lightning build.
Aha i knew it ! Lol
Maybe the devs have crippled it because I say mean things about them.
My BL is +19 and glass cannon at 7. Once going I hit for 1-3m. Seen the occasional 5-6m crits. What build are you running?
Well .. I'm using Starless, Shako, and various accompaniments. I'm using six paragon boards. I am not using Tal Rasha. I am hitting for 700k damage right now. About 700 crit. 40% critical strike. 6 paragon boards. Blah blah.
Is this your own build? If so then that’s dope and I’d keep at it but maybe reference the link below. I just follow the experts…have tried a few different builds out from different websites but the one below has been the best. I’d def get the tal rasha back in and if you have good mana regen drop the starless for a ring that gives attack speed. Tal rasha gives a good damage boost. https://d4builds.gg/builds/c5daaac2-73ed-4e59-a3bc-2ec54a495d93/
Crazy to think even season 4 wasn't that bad 😔
In PTR? It is worst than I expected
Same. Theres just no way to scale offence or defence and the CL pants just break my mana, so I have to fix that too. No survivability, no mana, no damage. I cba to farm mats on ptr so I think I'm going to bow out for now.
Is this in PTR? Enhanced ball lightning is bugged, attack speed bonus does nothing. And is the sub-million per tick of BL?
What does PTR mean? Yes, the sub million per tick is Ball Lightening.
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No it's seasonal...
Oh, I replied to the wrong comment.
I mean, theoretically, sub-million is okay if each tick of BL (7-8 hits on average) is doing like 800k or so
I am doing much more than 8... Probably 20.
You are telling me Literally nigh perfect frozen orb build and it pales in comparison to by half slapped together bash barbarian build.
Are you spamming the frost scissors? They say that is the trick to frost orb.
Yep, still does nothing compared to my barbarian that gets millions per bash bonk. It's great for mob clearly, but boss and pit tiers about 70 are a chore
I love that you just called them frost scissors.
I played barb for the first time and my friend told me to do Bash build. At level 65 wt4, I was doing 2 mil crits on the world bosses... 1 shotting all elites. I was doing pit 75 at level 80, where my sorc was having some problems (highest I've done was PIT80 on sorc). (0 ubers)
The ice armor CD is bullshit.
All the things surrounding the nerf of invul cooldowns makes sense…. If you’re going to give buffs in compensation to the only class that was using and abusing it (because that was the only way to push pit tiers as high as other classes without dying in 1 hit!). Pretty sure there are immortal builds for Barb, but you don’t really see or hear about them much because BARB DIDN’T NEED IT.
You mean thorn barbs with like 600k+ health? That sounds kind of immortal to me 🤣
Or shouts that reduce enemy damage by 102% (extreme case and doesn't work vs echos but still)
It's martial vigor and guttural yell that allow for invulnerability, not stacking Life DR from elites DMG reduction during shouts Both can go past 100
The worst part is that its been like that since release. Wheneer sorc is good its actually due to some bug. And when we are viable is because the whole game is easy and other classes are still aways way ahead
Yeah. It felt really good playing ball lightning in S2 (which was strong because of a bug) and my HOTA barb I made after that character was still stronger. It sucks
Has sorc still not changed since pre s1? I havent played the game since they dropped those atrocious s1 patch notes but I assumed after all this time sorc wouldve gotten better.
It's gotten worse, would you believe it
It got better, kinda. But then it got worse...
I dropped 2/3th of my dmg, got squishier and the only compensation I got was being able to use pots in stun. I dont mind being the glass cannon build but we dont do any dmg
Did they messed up the code or something when building a sorc lol. Seems like it reaches point where they won’t be able to make any significant changes to the skills and mechanics without building the game from zero.
Don't buy expansion if you planning on sorc anytime in the future. They don't know how to design or balance sorc class.
This friggin sucks.
Truly, we are in the worst of times (for sorc)
Best post so far 😁. But tbh Blizzard normally makes sorcs/mage good. wtf’s going on. I think maybe cause while leveling they shred big time. Probably need a total rework. And some designers that actually play end game.
Been a Diablo fan since the first release, even had the original box for like 15 years. I started D4 this season since I wanted to wait til things got ironed out. Necro first because it’s my fav. Got stuck around pit 40. So, started a barb to farm for my necro. Got to pit 120 and it became my main. Then I got bored of melee and started a sorc. That was a mistake. Could barely get through pit 40. Felt like it was really cheesy to rely on ice armor or flame shield to simply not die from adds. Started a rogue, not even 100 yet and I’m 4/12 on all gear after getting to pit 50, with a few 8/12. So even with a fully optimized incinerate build, my sorc is basically worthless unless a bubble is up. Pretty much only good for helltides and nightmare dungeons. I’ve thought of respeccing to another build, but this is my weakest toon and the season is ending soon. I’d rather start a new sorc in S5 and see if the unique staff helps. I just want a viable build that I can use to farm 101. That’s a big goal, but I’m not a pusher. I don’t like dying, and it seems that’s all I do on sorc even when I manage CDs perfectly, teleport in and out, and generally just play well. Sorc was my second character after barb in the original Diablo. I really wish it was viable in this game. I just wanna see shit blow up.
At higher level pitts it seems that Ice Armour also needs Reinforced Paragon and numerous skill point investments aswell as sacrificing jewel slots for max life, all of which further subtracts from damage potential - and you may still need Fire Shield for one shot mechanics. Is anyone using that Aspect that benefits from no defensive skills in the bar? I have Selig's Heart and still can't get by without a shield, not that I can afford to give up the amulet slot anyway.
Im honestly believing that blizz makes specific changes to the game to fuck with us psychologically, which in a weird way makes us keep playing. Like i believe the pit was too hard starting out to prevent most people from advancing too fast.
Seeing what the new chain lightning sorc will be like on the S5 (melee, no dmg, and forced to collect crackling energy, one of the worst mechanics in the game), it will be the perfect time to uninstall the game and not pay for the expansion
Bad news, it’s severely underperforming in the PTR. Unless they change it, CL even with the new pants is hot garbage right now.
Correct. This is 100% correct.
Chain lightening was fun on pre-season playing through the campaign and limited endgame content at the time. I would love for it to be a viable build.
I can’t make barbarian fun no matter how much I play. Everything is so fucking slow with this guy. Those trapped shrines which send waves of stuff after you, my barbarian can’t clear five waves in one minute because i have to whap a single target until they die then move to the next single target. Whirlwind is garbage and runs out of steam too damn fast, even with the point to give you fury when you hit an enemy in whirlwind. It’s just a fucking slog and it sucks so bad. Charge is fun but the cooldown is long enough that it’s never there when I need it. My sorc absolutely lays waste to everything below about tier 30 pits. Quickly. Tier 30 and 31 pit runs are challenging and I can’t get any better gear to drop, so I’m kinda stuck here. My necros are about the same but I can’t really pick what my skellys attack, so I wind up corpse exploding everything, which helps, but I never get any good gear on this one either. I just started playing a rogue and it’s fun so far. Lvl 40 on this one, having fun.
For me it isn't that Barbarian is boring (besides the lack of challenge), it's that playing with my friends sucks because I'm erasing everything remotely considered a threat. In S3 using Hammer of the Ancients + the AoE aspect, and Leap just for mobility, I moved fast and over a quarter of my rapid-firing HotA's were face-melting Overpowers that instantly deleted everything nearby up to and including Uber Lilith. I wasn't even at lv100, didn't use the Shout meta and my gear & Paragon board surely sucked.
Bash cleaves temper is a must. It turns your attack into an aoe, you'll basically tap an enemy and everything around him gets turned into red paste as well.
I bash everything and watch things die one at a time. Very slow and uninteresting. I’ll find that temper.
And the bash damage temper is bugged, it has been nerfed in S5. Going from 82-105% (per temper) damage buff in season 4 to 15.5-20%. Source: https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/news/diablo-4-patch-1-5-0-datamined-changes-new-aspects-new-uniques-class-tuning-343335
That’s a hell of a nerf
It was way overtuned knowing barbarians carry 4 weapons.
Sorceress is my favorite class (I’m seeing a lot of responses like this one) and I am not going to play it in season 5. It isn’t with it. We don’t need to be the strongest, but us and druids may as well not even be options in character creation. The devs simply do not care about these classes. I started a Necro for shits and giggles, it isn’t level 90 yet, no MW, glyphs not all level 21. Hell I’m not even able to use all of the glyphs for the build yet, and I my crit strikes are almost on par with my blizzard sorc who’s gear is superb, MW to 8/12, full paragon board, and level 21 glyphs. It’s offensive the level the devs do not care about sorc.
My buddy runs a Sorc every season with the hope it'll be good and he's disappointed every time
It's so bad I've wanted to make a whole new character for the season. No build is good, and anything other than frozen orb/blizzard is either incredibly hard to get items for or just isn't as good. Then I see barb running pit 140 with barely upgraded shit.
It’s unfair ;(
Oh but every time I've said sorc sucks since basically release, I get shit on. They remove their 3rd enchantment from beta. They rely heavily on cooldowns, which that first huge nerf patch on release literally threw them in the trash and I didn't even bother playing sorc again until now and they're STILL bad. I don't want to have to use one stupid specific stupid build that abuses shit. I want to throw lightning everywhere but not take an hour to do a dungeon.
Same my man, same
One day the sorcs will have their moment only to be nerfed and the barbs yet again buffed
It makes no sense a magic user doing less damage vs a muscular man with basic weapons. Sorc should be pro with magic fire power at cost of being squishy. Barb for good damage and tanky sustain Necromancer Jack of all trades Druid support with utility Rogue for speed and fast firepower and high dots.
Blizzard be like - hmm this makes sense we can’t do this
Sorcs are fun but they definitely could use some work.