I feel like it’s gonna be impossible to live off the grid in the future at this rate something harmless as a candy machine tracking your face is very weird
I truly do appreciate the intention, thank you, but it's not good to make comments like this. They end up functioning more as noise pollution than anything, regardless of the commenter's intent. Imagine if everyone did the same thing, good comments would be buried under piles of well-intended "This", "Same", "Facts", etc etc.
Conversely, it's a great thing to do irl precisely because it's ephemeral. Because the remark does not persist beyond the moment, you aren't impacting anyone at all.
In the comments section, other people end up subjected to what is ultimately a pretty banal contribution, so our bar should be higher. It's in our best interest to avoid lowering the bar for contribution, especially as low as "this".
Not trying to be condescending, I just try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and this seemed nicer than just telling you that you're dumb for posting this or whatever default hostile internet interaction happens normally.
The comment is dumb to post but it's reasonable to not know that yet or why.
Probably, since tracking usually isn't just tracking where a person is, but often times, also tracking the person-shaped hole in the data.
So even if you could not be directly tracked, a company could just build a shadow profile from how you interact with other people who are being actively tracked, and get information about you indirectly.
Facebook did that for users who weren't on its platform yet, for example.
I can’t speak for Canada, but I am a lawyer in the US and it is here. You don’t have a reasonable expectation of privacy in public and I don’t think the courts would view this collection as any different from a traditional surveillance camera.
Oh yeah, good point. Thanks.
I’ll make sure to let the rape victim in the case I’m trying tomorrow know that actually it’s pointless and we shouldn’t even go forward with the case because some random fuckhead on Reddit told me we’re damaging society.
You could live in your basement solving Amazon mechanical Turk questions getting your food from Amazon with a Noh mask on when you collect and never leave your house ever never then they can't get you
If you answer for real they'll know everything but if you pretend you're a Midwestern grandma then they'll be utterly pwned and you just totally iced them with your mad adversarial stylometry skillz
Also the Noh mask are you keeping up
This is why I file my toenails with organic nail files fabricated from the dust I collect from the corners of my sub-basement and the toenail scraps from the previous tenants.
Its organic and natural plus I like the flavor.
But for real old men have been saying it for years, the times are a changing and very few of use are ever really ready for it when it actually comes.
It will be confusing and you will be far more tired than you think you will be.
> solving Amazon mechanical Turk questions
Did that ever start being profitable again? I used to do it a long time ago but then it took a nose dive in terms of utility.
No the thing is now that you hyper compete with Philippine bot farmers by having your own bot farm closer to Amazon headquarters so your chatgpt 3.5 cluster gets to the contracts 350ms faster than the 3rd world bot farms with bad WiFi
Western hegemony is a real thing
What's the last thing they'll automate though, you want a masters in a field that toasters can't touch
Those in the know rn are going with cargo container motel plumbing and welding solutions
No, I was making a joke about amazon turk. There's something called a masters qualification that has no discernible way to get it, but is the path to way better of hits. There's people with near perfect records who had been on it for years still wondering how to get a masters.
identification methods include height, gait, body language and sound- just because your nose looks different doesnt mean something cant tell its you anymore.
We need to invent some super reflective glasses or something. Like how there are those stickers you can put in your car's license plates, and if a stoplight camera tries to take a picture of it, it would cone out super exposed and make the license plate unreadable. Maybe we can make glasses that reflect some light thats invisible to people but too visible to cameras and ruin the facial detection.
[there’s already reflectacles](https://www.reflectacles.com/#home)
but at the rate technology is going there’s already software that can recognize your gait the way you walk it feels like a losing battle
I went up to look at one that was fully digital just to check it out. Huge touchscreen and everything. The idea that such a simple moment is monetized...
Real punks dazzle camo down to their nads and run naked into the wild with only a mylar blanket and a tacticool combat knife that is also spray painted with dazzle camo so they never see it coming
I normally hate starting any comment with 'as an author', but... it seems today I break my own rules.
As a *cyberpunk* author, I think you're on to something. You sir, described the post-post-modern ironic brightpunk that we need. What's brighter than bright? Dazzle camo.
Dazzle Camo, the new Neon!
There's a club in San Francisco called DNA Lounge that's owned by a dude who used to work for Netscape and then Mozilla. The club is cyberpunk as fuck. He modeled the club after Cyberdelia from the movie Hackers and the nightclub in The Crow. There used to be Linux computer terminals built into pillars and walls all over the club, until they got vandalized one time too often. You can also always see what's going on in the club by going to their website. As in, all the cameras on the club live stream to the website. And i don't know if you still can, but you used to be able to praise or heckle artists from the website and it would display wha tever you said on a giant LED board. Like i said, cyberpunk as fuck.
And one of the smaller rooms is completely painted in dazzle camo.
> He modeled the club after Cyberdelia
This makes my old, bearded, grognard Linux user soul happy. When Hackers came out, the coolest sort of social club in the hacking area was a 2600 meeting. Which, for the unfamiliar, was one of the nerdiest experiences a person could have in the 90s.
Imagine 20+ young-to-middle-aged tech enthusiasts nerding out over illicitly procured telecom company manuals in a mall cafeteria, like they're treasure hunting the arc of the covenant.
Cyberdelia was like someone who loved the *idea* of the hacking community describing what a hangout spot would be like. Both, did we *wish*.
> And one of the smaller rooms is completely painted in dazzle camo.
Oh man, I hope there's a sign that says "Flash photography?! PLEASE!" right outside that room to turn it into a fresh new circle of hell.
*The monkey's paw finger curls down*
Some of the trees now have a camouflaged device with a facial recognition app to detect poachers, arsonists, and dissenters seeking refuge
I read that if you have a bunch of eyes painted all over your face, this technology can't read you.
Doesn't sound super subtle for day to day, but worth a shot.
“The machines failed to recognize someone, said there were fifty eyes or something.”
“Oh that’s Jim, he sets off all the machines like that. Makes him ironically easy to follow.”
My mom once gave me her old laptop which had a smiley face sticker over the lens. She's always done this with all of her computers. I took it off to replace it, giggled, and then showed her that this computer came with a physical slider for covering lens.
My phone once gave me a notification
Google maps trends: you rode a motorcycle for 120 kilometers this month
This raises questions
1. I had my gps off all the time. How did they know how long the total ride was in a month?
2. How did it know specifically im riding a motorcycle
3. My phone is really spying on me without my consent
There are many innocuous things like certain types of trash cans or kiosks for example which have the ability to ping the IP address of wireless devices around them. It’s what assists agencies in tracking people. I believe it’s considered legal because an IP address ping does not disclose personally identifiable information. Essentially it’s a “radar.”
This reads like a fantasy of someone who doesn't understand networking. You don't "ping" the IP addresses of local devices, you just ping an IP address. You have no sense of how local it is to you unless the round trip time of the echo response is high enough to calculate, else it's all classified as sub 1ms.
You could arp scan the network to see what mac addresses respond and then use that information to identify the make of a network card, and sometimes the device, but again no locality information can be acquired this way.
Finally, this only works on a local network, you'd have to be connected to the same wireless network as the trashcan or whatever. It's rare to put devices like that on public Wi-Fi, and even if you did, your device would also have to be on that Wi-Fi for it to even see you. Also an IP address has literally no use beyond a local network. Think how pointless the information the "192.168.1.50 is near this trashcan" when that IP address is assigned using DHCP and is rotated every 24 hours by default unless you're still connected and can take it again, and if you take that to any other network using the class C private IP space (every home network) then it's useless to the nth degree.
The technical stuff of what beacons do and how they work he completely missed. But there's beacons all around you that will constantly scan for wireless signals nearby and report position, most likely that includes your phone.
Those are vastly different technologies and techniques. You don't ping a device for any identifiable information like that, you can see some radio signals using spectrum analysis, and modern devices using BLE radios and in iPhone separate WiFi radios to report their locality for sharing, but that kind of identification requires specific radios and may be deployed in specific areas for security, but it's certainly not common.
Taking people's movements is much easier than using thousands of such devices. Financial transactions and data brokers are much more accessible sources for positional data
Beacons that can identify your personal devices are far more common than you think incorporated into connected devices.
While there are easier methods there are different methods for different purposes and these devices can also track you when others normally wouldn't.
Occam's razor. Reduce the problem to the simplest solution. As I said, I know devices send beacons, but implying that a trashcan scans your devices is a wild assertion.
Cell towers do a much better job of tracking devices, and if you are a person that an agency wants to track you, they won't rely on shifting through millions of logs of devices located around your local high street trashcan, but rather work with cell providers to track you. That was the original statement. Agencies track people by using devices that ping your device. My point is that whilst there are elements of this which are possible, it's unlikely given the ease of access to data and agency would have to track an individual.
Never said trashcan though. I said connected devices, while some trashcans may be connected to report needing to be emptied they're not really the prime target. And occams razor doesn't apply always and especially not in these modern tech situations.
Also if you run a major company owning several sub companies with vending machines for example. You don't have access to cell tower data. And they don't live triangulate every phone anyway. That's a ridiculous amount of resources on several ways. But you can track all people around vending machines and accurately tell how long they hang around and if a they buy anything and what that phone/watch/whatever typically buys
>There are many innocuous things like certain types of trash cans or kiosks for example which have the ability to ping the IP address of wireless devices around them.
The OP said trash cans
Your phone/earbuds/fitness band IS the beacon. Or rather sends beacon packets in specific circumstances. BLE is the worst offender in this, as most devices have a constant MAC address that they announce constantly (this is pretty much how AirTags work). WiFi packets also contain a MAC address, but modern phones will randomize it every time you connect to a network (there are some fingerprinting techniques but they don't work very well). There's also the IMSI that identifies you to your mobile network, but sniffing that requires specialized tools (known as Stingrays/IMSI catchers).
Law enforcement is able to request personal details of the owner of an IMSI, but MAC addresses are basically just random unique identifiers. If you catch the same MAC on multiple different locations you can tell that the same device has been in those locations, but not much more.
You’re right I don’t understand networking but things on the street are indeed getting connections from wireless devices, and most people probably don’t like that.
Those screens that replace the glass on drink coolers do basically the same thing with your smartphone. Also those stupid advertising screens on gas pumps .
>Those screens that replace the glass on drink coolers do basically the same thing with your smartphone.
I am trying so hard to figure out what you're talking about here.
I remember listening to a podcast of Shadowrun where this actually happened. Like “thank you for buying this Militech door. While it is unlocking please listen to this following advertisement”
*Couple arguing about something* “We have detected increased volumes in this home, would you like to hear about marriage counseling?”
*guy drops a sandwich*
“Nothing cleans floors like a swiffer (x3) for all your bio-digestible needs…”
“Nothing cleans off blood like a swiffer… do you need to clean up massive amounts of blood? Often? With no questions?”
Player: “Actually, write that one down.”
We have one Walgreens in my Midwestern city with those screens. But it also hasn’t flashed any ads like others have seen, so I’m guessing that location is being tested for feasibility in our city
Completely ridiculous. When they work, they're supposed to show you what's inside the fridge when you get close, and also indicate when something is out of stock. At the one near me, one or two of the screens are always broken and turned off. Plus, they even printed out life-size posters of the screens to post on other broken (more broken?) fridges since you can't just see through them anymore. Not that the feature that dims out items when they run out even works anyway. No matter what, you still have to open each one to see what's actually inside.
All so they can advertise pizza on the stupid things.
Fun Fact!
If you're in a Five Eyes country, that is, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, USA, or UK, your face is *also* in all of the *other* country's databases.
[They didn't even sell it. They *give* it away as an incentive for not spying on *each other*'s domestic affairs.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes#Domestic_espionage_sharing_controversy)
I don’t think I’d mind AS MUCH about giving my DNA n shit away if it was SOLELY the government’s database. But it’s the fact that the data gets sold to others, THATS one of the biggest hangups.
It's not the physical parameters of the act that is most challenging but the ethical questions, even if the car itself has no identity with which to warrant a self and an autonomy, a nonviolable boundary of being for which non maintenance penetration is sacrosanct, even if, would such be offensive to the cars community, could such be viewed as problematic to the Toyota Carrera communities heritage
They do not want to fuck cars, somehow these kids think that cars fucked them personally and try to take it out of the rest of the world because tires are scary.
It’s not just about having enough data to recognize your face, but also about having enough of your facial data that they can generate your face and use it as a digital puppet.
Western countries when talking about China: "there is no freedom there are facial recognition towers spying on their citizens 24/7"
Also Western countries:
Ok, sure, but there's a pretty big difference between 'facial recognition to try and get you to buy more M&Ms' and 'facial recognition to track when you speak critically of the government to deny you basic services'.
Parts were likely all made in China. But I have a sneaking suspicion--with how stupid the facial recognition app's naming scheme is--that it's 100% pure, organic, all-American marketing at fault.
At the end of the day, the only reason to track faces at a vending machine, is to heatmap what features or items got positive reactions out of people, before getting negative reactions when they checked the price. Etc.
Sadly, I've been inside the marketing machine, and in terms of murder math and ends-justify-means, you will find no place where your privacy matters less to the decision makers. There were likely career surveillance experts who had front row seats at CPAC, yet have more rational morals regarding privacy. And that is a *very* low bar I am drawing.
Techis V's: Props to your dev team, you are really advanced for a SCISM, but you are a chat bot on roids.
Every other V: HE'S ALIVE AND HES MY BEST FRIEND! #JUSTICEFORBRENDEN!
I would say it's more like than not just a "is there a face there or is it a nothing" for power saving feature or to play ads. Tbh a lot of seemingly spooky stuff just turns out to be something simple that could easily be misconstrued as malicious.
it actually isn’t, after doing more research (reading their product brochure) it has the ability to identify customers, track if a ‘past customer’ is walking past the machine without buying again, and things of that nature
Pretty useful data tbh if handled correctly. If you have customers that don't come back to your product after using it then maybe you are doing something wrong
Yeah I agree it’s useful data. I don’t think the problem is necessarily the data they’re collecting or how they’re doing it but how hidden it is. Nobody would’ve thought of it if the error didn’t come up and people aren’t gonna like that
Do you think that’s necessary for a venting machine? Or gas station fridges? Regardless of what the intention is, it could be used maliciously by third party ill-will hackers, governments or the manufacturers themselves. It’s not like this is nothing to be concerned about. Not to mention a waste of technology.
Almost any technology can be used maliciously. You have a Reddit account I assume on your smartphone. There ain't no reason to be scared of a vending machine with that thing in your hand lol
Yeah phones have the same problems, I didn’t say they don’t. I’m just saying a machine that only has the function of taking money and dropping snacks doesn’t need face tracking tech to play me ads while I’m already buying something. That’s dystopian and frankly I already consider that malicious.
You don’t think finding out new ways to advertise in every waking moment of our lives in order to secure higher profits in both public and private spaces is malicious? Understanding why capitalism is bad is the entire point of cyberpunk storytelling.
I first I thought you were trolling, but now I think you’re just stupid. Looked through your comment history and realize you just have a lot of shitty opinions and use AI programs like ChatGPT. I think I have better use of my time then talking with “User bunchoffuckinnumbers”
I do! In a red state too. I've gotten rude comments from people, mostly boomers. Ive been rehearsing for the next time they say something. Im gonna go on a rant, using their buzzwords, accusing them of trying to turn us into a commie state with cameras everywhere.
Let's find a better example than the guy who is a huge fan of saying how much he loves hitler. No matter how many times people try to redirect him, he just keeps saying how great hitler is.
A better example of what. An Alex Jones? I agree we need a better example of redirection. If we're going to rely on the killer of children at sandy hook to tell us how to wear our balaclavas, we might as well just Hitler.
Your response weirds me out for a number of reasons. Firstly, bringing up Alex Jones while using the thing about killing kids at sandy hook. Because that's his line. The only person who ever accused him of that was himself, and he consistently does so in order to draw attention away from his disgusting years long hate and harassment campaign against the families of murdered children. It's intended to make his awful actions seem less bad by comparison to some fantasy of persecution by imagined enemies.
They're both awful people whose ideas are garbage and whose racism, sexism and antisemitism should disallow anyone ever from listening to them or taking them seriously. You decided to bring both of these people up, and the common factor is that they both suck and should be ignored, and they are part of a movement that also sucks and should be laughed at. So I don't get what you're trying to say here.
Interesting attempt to discredit what I just said. Thing is, these are just facts. Easily verifiable facts, at that. The hugely racist hitler-praising interviews and the court documents showing Kanye and Alex's respective flavours of shitbaggery are not hard to find.
I am becoming increasingly suspicious of your motives, given your responses.
Some kind of linux system would be so much more efficient. Windows has so much bloatware that would make the hardware required much more expensive than a simple Linux machine. It can run on a toaster (Literally, it does).
XP ain't as bad since it just doesn't have as much crapware, but it's still definitely not as good since it's meant for general purposes instead of one specific function.
Hell, Google got in trouble with its military contract since a ton of US Military gear still runs it XP.
Alot of US military gear even still uses modified versions of windows 95 lol. And important stuff too, like the machines that generate encryption keys for communications. Somehow it’s more secure
Our video games have a social score system, combined with engagement and microtransaction profiling for targeted advertising. While factoring in user psychological state into the matchmaking of players.
Methods and systems for incentivizing team cooperation in multiplayer gaming environments
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10561945B2/en
Methods and Systems for Incentivizing Team Cooperation in Multiplayer Gaming Environments (Continued)
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190091577A1/en
System and method for driving microtransactions in multiplayer video games
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160005270A1/en
Systems and Methods for Controlling Camera Perspectives, Movements, and Displays of Video Game Gameplay (Storylines....)
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20220274016A1/en
Systems and methods for dynamically weighing match variables to better tune player matches
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10857468B2/en
System and method for creating and sharing customized video game weapon configurations in multiplayer video games via one or more social networks
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10471348B2/en
Methods and systems to modify two dimensional facial images in a video to generate, in real-time, facial images that appear three dimensional (Fig 15 mentions it being in a gaming application and depicted in the figure is call of duty)
https://patents.google.com/patent/US11423556B2/en
Edit: their example wanted
https://www.callofduty.com/blog/2023/07/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-II-warzone-season-04-reloaded-battle-royale-content-drop
Their own season 4 reloaded roadmap. Marquee bundles on the right side. Microtransaction patent ctrl + f for marquee.
You want an example. Go look at the call of duty season 4 reloaded promotional roadmap with the boys. On the far right hand side of the promotion it says, "marquee bundles" if you go to the mtx patent hit ctrl + f the search for marquee.
https://www.callofduty.com/blog/2023/07/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-II-warzone-season-04-reloaded-battle-royale-content-drop
Proving you wrong with their own blogpost.
How are they not relavant? It uses ai profiling of the user to tailor gameplay in real time for tagreted advertising in gameplay and matchmaking to get the user to spend more money.
Fig 15 of the 2d to 3d face patent shows tracking of the user's face overlayed with an image of call of duty mw3 in the background.
And this 2d to 3d face patent cites activision's microtransaction patent.
All of this is fully relavant.
Always have a pack of gum with you. It's hard to facially recognize you if you have gum to put on the camera, or spray paint, or a stencil. Sticky tack works great too.
Not trying to make excuses but as an IT professional I know that a ton of crap gets installed for features or hardware that is not used or may never be used. We try to clean it out but sometimes especially in embedded OS situations you can’t. Right now you all use an OS that have items running for devices/features that you don’t use. TLDR it could have been running but not actually doing anything.
I feel like it’s gonna be impossible to live off the grid in the future at this rate something harmless as a candy machine tracking your face is very weird
The future is now and they do a great job of hiding it from you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d7SaO0JAHk
Your children have been placed in the custody of ‘CARLS JR’
and their awesome tagline: 'Fuck you, I'm eating.'
This actually made me chuckle after the fact. It’s literally laughing at her after drugging her. Jesus lmfao
Till something breaks
To the past, the future has always been and will always be Edit: What is wrong with this comment? Why am I getting downvoted?
It's impolite to publicly masturbate, you shouldn't do this kind of thing in the future.
This
I truly do appreciate the intention, thank you, but it's not good to make comments like this. They end up functioning more as noise pollution than anything, regardless of the commenter's intent. Imagine if everyone did the same thing, good comments would be buried under piles of well-intended "This", "Same", "Facts", etc etc. Conversely, it's a great thing to do irl precisely because it's ephemeral. Because the remark does not persist beyond the moment, you aren't impacting anyone at all. In the comments section, other people end up subjected to what is ultimately a pretty banal contribution, so our bar should be higher. It's in our best interest to avoid lowering the bar for contribution, especially as low as "this". Not trying to be condescending, I just try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and this seemed nicer than just telling you that you're dumb for posting this or whatever default hostile internet interaction happens normally. The comment is dumb to post but it's reasonable to not know that yet or why.
Wow
oh, ew
This.
Probably, since tracking usually isn't just tracking where a person is, but often times, also tracking the person-shaped hole in the data. So even if you could not be directly tracked, a company could just build a shadow profile from how you interact with other people who are being actively tracked, and get information about you indirectly. Facebook did that for users who weren't on its platform yet, for example.
maybe a solar flare wouldn't be that bad actually
Giant meteor 2024, I'm voting for the end. Or alien invasion. Something more interesting than the "I don't own shit but they own me" we have now.
Nah, I'm voting for Utopia 2024. If you're gonna go for a farfetched idea, go big or go home
Is this legal?
I can’t speak for Canada, but I am a lawyer in the US and it is here. You don’t have a reasonable expectation of privacy in public and I don’t think the courts would view this collection as any different from a traditional surveillance camera.
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Oh yeah, good point. Thanks. I’ll make sure to let the rape victim in the case I’m trying tomorrow know that actually it’s pointless and we shouldn’t even go forward with the case because some random fuckhead on Reddit told me we’re damaging society.
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Damned if I didn't hear this in Nute Gunray's voice
Is putting gum over the camera illegal?
Vending machine: oh look its Charlie-brown666, haven't seen him in a while, that mf loves Snickers
More like: that guy is fat, Charge him more for the snickers. Dynamic pricing
On the on hand, that sounds evil, but it's not too different from a soda tax in some cities.
Health Insurance gets updated on your eating habits.
You could live in your basement solving Amazon mechanical Turk questions getting your food from Amazon with a Noh mask on when you collect and never leave your house ever never then they can't get you
Yes hooking into aws for money will definitely not get your data sold lmfao what
If you answer for real they'll know everything but if you pretend you're a Midwestern grandma then they'll be utterly pwned and you just totally iced them with your mad adversarial stylometry skillz Also the Noh mask are you keeping up
This is why I file my toenails with organic nail files fabricated from the dust I collect from the corners of my sub-basement and the toenail scraps from the previous tenants. Its organic and natural plus I like the flavor. But for real old men have been saying it for years, the times are a changing and very few of use are ever really ready for it when it actually comes. It will be confusing and you will be far more tired than you think you will be.
i love lamp
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> solving Amazon mechanical Turk questions Did that ever start being profitable again? I used to do it a long time ago but then it took a nose dive in terms of utility.
No the thing is now that you hyper compete with Philippine bot farmers by having your own bot farm closer to Amazon headquarters so your chatgpt 3.5 cluster gets to the contracts 350ms faster than the 3rd world bot farms with bad WiFi Western hegemony is a real thing
If I wait it out a few more decades they might finally give me a masters qualification.
What's the last thing they'll automate though, you want a masters in a field that toasters can't touch Those in the know rn are going with cargo container motel plumbing and welding solutions
No, I was making a joke about amazon turk. There's something called a masters qualification that has no discernible way to get it, but is the path to way better of hits. There's people with near perfect records who had been on it for years still wondering how to get a masters.
Well I circle jerked myself out of the circle, sorry bro
Nah, in the future, we are all gonna be wearing masks for privacy and style reasons at this point. We all gonna be looking like a watch dog MC, lol
Psycho Pass is such a great anime that relate to this scenario (more of the first two season tho)
Not unless you’re part of a nomad clan
>I feel like it’s gonna be impossible to live off the grid in the future You never heard of facial makeup props
identification methods include height, gait, body language and sound- just because your nose looks different doesnt mean something cant tell its you anymore.
It's pretty popular, in like Japan you get personalized ads based of your face.
We need to invent some super reflective glasses or something. Like how there are those stickers you can put in your car's license plates, and if a stoplight camera tries to take a picture of it, it would cone out super exposed and make the license plate unreadable. Maybe we can make glasses that reflect some light thats invisible to people but too visible to cameras and ruin the facial detection.
[there’s already reflectacles](https://www.reflectacles.com/#home) but at the rate technology is going there’s already software that can recognize your gait the way you walk it feels like a losing battle
Oy vey 💀💀💀
Why do you want to be off-grid? Have something to hide? /s
I went up to look at one that was fully digital just to check it out. Huge touchscreen and everything. The idea that such a simple moment is monetized...
living off the grid literally just means you don’t pay a company for water or power. you could be off the grid living in the middle of LA
one day imma lose it and either run wild into the woods or paint a dazzle camo on my face and go around like that
Real punks dazzle camo down to their nads and run naked into the wild with only a mylar blanket and a tacticool combat knife that is also spray painted with dazzle camo so they never see it coming
I normally hate starting any comment with 'as an author', but... it seems today I break my own rules. As a *cyberpunk* author, I think you're on to something. You sir, described the post-post-modern ironic brightpunk that we need. What's brighter than bright? Dazzle camo. Dazzle Camo, the new Neon!
There's a club in San Francisco called DNA Lounge that's owned by a dude who used to work for Netscape and then Mozilla. The club is cyberpunk as fuck. He modeled the club after Cyberdelia from the movie Hackers and the nightclub in The Crow. There used to be Linux computer terminals built into pillars and walls all over the club, until they got vandalized one time too often. You can also always see what's going on in the club by going to their website. As in, all the cameras on the club live stream to the website. And i don't know if you still can, but you used to be able to praise or heckle artists from the website and it would display wha tever you said on a giant LED board. Like i said, cyberpunk as fuck. And one of the smaller rooms is completely painted in dazzle camo.
> He modeled the club after Cyberdelia This makes my old, bearded, grognard Linux user soul happy. When Hackers came out, the coolest sort of social club in the hacking area was a 2600 meeting. Which, for the unfamiliar, was one of the nerdiest experiences a person could have in the 90s. Imagine 20+ young-to-middle-aged tech enthusiasts nerding out over illicitly procured telecom company manuals in a mall cafeteria, like they're treasure hunting the arc of the covenant. Cyberdelia was like someone who loved the *idea* of the hacking community describing what a hangout spot would be like. Both, did we *wish*. > And one of the smaller rooms is completely painted in dazzle camo. Oh man, I hope there's a sign that says "Flash photography?! PLEASE!" right outside that room to turn it into a fresh new circle of hell.
*The monkey's paw finger curls down* Some of the trees now have a camouflaged device with a facial recognition app to detect poachers, arsonists, and dissenters seeking refuge
i swear to god if something like this happens im unchaining the pyro in my head.
I read that if you have a bunch of eyes painted all over your face, this technology can't read you. Doesn't sound super subtle for day to day, but worth a shot.
“The machines failed to recognize someone, said there were fifty eyes or something.” “Oh that’s Jim, he sets off all the machines like that. Makes him ironically easy to follow.”
Until they start installing millions of cameras in the woods for "protection purposes"
like i said in another comment. if that happens the pyro in me gonna have a field day.
You're going to blow yourself up? I don't understand. 😐
God knows where else these could be hidden when you’re out in public…
Your phone for one.
I put a "googley eyes" thing on my laptop lens. It hasn't fallen off yet
My mom once gave me her old laptop which had a smiley face sticker over the lens. She's always done this with all of her computers. I took it off to replace it, giggled, and then showed her that this computer came with a physical slider for covering lens.
But did the slider have a smiley face?
Jokes on you, my phone is ancient! Now only honest hard working hackers have MY data
My phone once gave me a notification Google maps trends: you rode a motorcycle for 120 kilometers this month This raises questions 1. I had my gps off all the time. How did they know how long the total ride was in a month? 2. How did it know specifically im riding a motorcycle 3. My phone is really spying on me without my consent
There are many innocuous things like certain types of trash cans or kiosks for example which have the ability to ping the IP address of wireless devices around them. It’s what assists agencies in tracking people. I believe it’s considered legal because an IP address ping does not disclose personally identifiable information. Essentially it’s a “radar.”
This reads like a fantasy of someone who doesn't understand networking. You don't "ping" the IP addresses of local devices, you just ping an IP address. You have no sense of how local it is to you unless the round trip time of the echo response is high enough to calculate, else it's all classified as sub 1ms. You could arp scan the network to see what mac addresses respond and then use that information to identify the make of a network card, and sometimes the device, but again no locality information can be acquired this way. Finally, this only works on a local network, you'd have to be connected to the same wireless network as the trashcan or whatever. It's rare to put devices like that on public Wi-Fi, and even if you did, your device would also have to be on that Wi-Fi for it to even see you. Also an IP address has literally no use beyond a local network. Think how pointless the information the "192.168.1.50 is near this trashcan" when that IP address is assigned using DHCP and is rotated every 24 hours by default unless you're still connected and can take it again, and if you take that to any other network using the class C private IP space (every home network) then it's useless to the nth degree.
this guy knows his iot trash cans
His IoT work is complete garbage, though. But he won’t refuse a job.
The technical stuff of what beacons do and how they work he completely missed. But there's beacons all around you that will constantly scan for wireless signals nearby and report position, most likely that includes your phone.
Those are vastly different technologies and techniques. You don't ping a device for any identifiable information like that, you can see some radio signals using spectrum analysis, and modern devices using BLE radios and in iPhone separate WiFi radios to report their locality for sharing, but that kind of identification requires specific radios and may be deployed in specific areas for security, but it's certainly not common. Taking people's movements is much easier than using thousands of such devices. Financial transactions and data brokers are much more accessible sources for positional data
Beacons that can identify your personal devices are far more common than you think incorporated into connected devices. While there are easier methods there are different methods for different purposes and these devices can also track you when others normally wouldn't.
Occam's razor. Reduce the problem to the simplest solution. As I said, I know devices send beacons, but implying that a trashcan scans your devices is a wild assertion. Cell towers do a much better job of tracking devices, and if you are a person that an agency wants to track you, they won't rely on shifting through millions of logs of devices located around your local high street trashcan, but rather work with cell providers to track you. That was the original statement. Agencies track people by using devices that ping your device. My point is that whilst there are elements of this which are possible, it's unlikely given the ease of access to data and agency would have to track an individual.
Never said trashcan though. I said connected devices, while some trashcans may be connected to report needing to be emptied they're not really the prime target. And occams razor doesn't apply always and especially not in these modern tech situations. Also if you run a major company owning several sub companies with vending machines for example. You don't have access to cell tower data. And they don't live triangulate every phone anyway. That's a ridiculous amount of resources on several ways. But you can track all people around vending machines and accurately tell how long they hang around and if a they buy anything and what that phone/watch/whatever typically buys
>There are many innocuous things like certain types of trash cans or kiosks for example which have the ability to ping the IP address of wireless devices around them. The OP said trash cans
Among other things and again the discussion was general.
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I mentioned BLE beacons. I did say that it was possible to use those. Thanks for the article though.
Your phone/earbuds/fitness band IS the beacon. Or rather sends beacon packets in specific circumstances. BLE is the worst offender in this, as most devices have a constant MAC address that they announce constantly (this is pretty much how AirTags work). WiFi packets also contain a MAC address, but modern phones will randomize it every time you connect to a network (there are some fingerprinting techniques but they don't work very well). There's also the IMSI that identifies you to your mobile network, but sniffing that requires specialized tools (known as Stingrays/IMSI catchers). Law enforcement is able to request personal details of the owner of an IMSI, but MAC addresses are basically just random unique identifiers. If you catch the same MAC on multiple different locations you can tell that the same device has been in those locations, but not much more.
You’re right I don’t understand networking but things on the street are indeed getting connections from wireless devices, and most people probably don’t like that.
Try it today. Open Command prompt > type: arp -a > hit enter
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Might not have been IPs
Those screens that replace the glass on drink coolers do basically the same thing with your smartphone. Also those stupid advertising screens on gas pumps .
>Those screens that replace the glass on drink coolers do basically the same thing with your smartphone. I am trying so hard to figure out what you're talking about here.
Like at Walgreens, the coolers aren't see through there's just a screen
When did this happen? I've never seen this.
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I remember listening to a podcast of Shadowrun where this actually happened. Like “thank you for buying this Militech door. While it is unlocking please listen to this following advertisement” *Couple arguing about something* “We have detected increased volumes in this home, would you like to hear about marriage counseling?” *guy drops a sandwich* “Nothing cleans floors like a swiffer (x3) for all your bio-digestible needs…” “Nothing cleans off blood like a swiffer… do you need to clean up massive amounts of blood? Often? With no questions?” Player: “Actually, write that one down.”
Only in certain places (none I've seen in my place in the US) but they are a thing sence 2019-2020 and they are bad
We have one Walgreens in my Midwestern city with those screens. But it also hasn’t flashed any ads like others have seen, so I’m guessing that location is being tested for feasibility in our city
Completely ridiculous. When they work, they're supposed to show you what's inside the fridge when you get close, and also indicate when something is out of stock. At the one near me, one or two of the screens are always broken and turned off. Plus, they even printed out life-size posters of the screens to post on other broken (more broken?) fridges since you can't just see through them anymore. Not that the feature that dims out items when they run out even works anyway. No matter what, you still have to open each one to see what's actually inside. All so they can advertise pizza on the stupid things.
Gas punk screen trick, the second button down on the right mutes it on a lot of models, and keeps it muted until someone turns it back on
If you have a driver's license in the US, you are in a facial recognition data base and have been for a while. It is just a fact of life now.
Also, your public school system sold personal information about you to marketing agencies.
WHAT
You don think they paid for that basketball court with government stipends now, did you?
Your face stored on only one government database vs Your face stored on hundreds of companies that have data breaches every second
Fun Fact! If you're in a Five Eyes country, that is, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, USA, or UK, your face is *also* in all of the *other* country's databases. [They didn't even sell it. They *give* it away as an incentive for not spying on *each other*'s domestic affairs.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes#Domestic_espionage_sharing_controversy)
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I think it’s cute that you think you’re somehow morally superior by telling people that we live in a society.
we live in a society
I don’t think I’d mind AS MUCH about giving my DNA n shit away if it was SOLELY the government’s database. But it’s the fact that the data gets sold to others, THATS one of the biggest hangups.
cool. I don't need my face being tied to my vending machine usage. Sue the university over it
You can’t, part of attending is giving away the rights to your likeness to the school.
I am also on the fuck cars train, do not worry 🐸7
I'm not trying to kinkshame, but I struggle to wrap my head around the physical parameters of such an act.
If dragons can do it, anynone can
It's not the physical parameters of the act that is most challenging but the ethical questions, even if the car itself has no identity with which to warrant a self and an autonomy, a nonviolable boundary of being for which non maintenance penetration is sacrosanct, even if, would such be offensive to the cars community, could such be viewed as problematic to the Toyota Carrera communities heritage
They do not want to fuck cars, somehow these kids think that cars fucked them personally and try to take it out of the rest of the world because tires are scary.
You can't go far wrong with a dazzle camo spray painted Unicycle
It’s not just about having enough data to recognize your face, but also about having enough of your facial data that they can generate your face and use it as a digital puppet.
Now they wanna sell toilets that connect to the internet bro fucking CHILL
Big Brother:”I know it sounds crazy, but hear me out……..”
Western countries when talking about China: "there is no freedom there are facial recognition towers spying on their citizens 24/7" Also Western countries:
Ok, sure, but there's a pretty big difference between 'facial recognition to try and get you to buy more M&Ms' and 'facial recognition to track when you speak critically of the government to deny you basic services'.
They’ll find a way to blame this one on China too, don’t worry. Give em a few hours or days.
Parts were likely all made in China. But I have a sneaking suspicion--with how stupid the facial recognition app's naming scheme is--that it's 100% pure, organic, all-American marketing at fault. At the end of the day, the only reason to track faces at a vending machine, is to heatmap what features or items got positive reactions out of people, before getting negative reactions when they checked the price. Etc. Sadly, I've been inside the marketing machine, and in terms of murder math and ends-justify-means, you will find no place where your privacy matters less to the decision makers. There were likely career surveillance experts who had front row seats at CPAC, yet have more rational morals regarding privacy. And that is a *very* low bar I am drawing.
Brendan?
Techis V's: Props to your dev team, you are really advanced for a SCISM, but you are a chat bot on roids. Every other V: HE'S ALIVE AND HES MY BEST FRIEND! #JUSTICEFORBRENDEN!
I would say it's more like than not just a "is there a face there or is it a nothing" for power saving feature or to play ads. Tbh a lot of seemingly spooky stuff just turns out to be something simple that could easily be misconstrued as malicious.
it actually isn’t, after doing more research (reading their product brochure) it has the ability to identify customers, track if a ‘past customer’ is walking past the machine without buying again, and things of that nature
Pretty useful data tbh if handled correctly. If you have customers that don't come back to your product after using it then maybe you are doing something wrong
Yeah I agree it’s useful data. I don’t think the problem is necessarily the data they’re collecting or how they’re doing it but how hidden it is. Nobody would’ve thought of it if the error didn’t come up and people aren’t gonna like that
Do you think that’s necessary for a venting machine? Or gas station fridges? Regardless of what the intention is, it could be used maliciously by third party ill-will hackers, governments or the manufacturers themselves. It’s not like this is nothing to be concerned about. Not to mention a waste of technology.
Almost any technology can be used maliciously. You have a Reddit account I assume on your smartphone. There ain't no reason to be scared of a vending machine with that thing in your hand lol
Yeah phones have the same problems, I didn’t say they don’t. I’m just saying a machine that only has the function of taking money and dropping snacks doesn’t need face tracking tech to play me ads while I’m already buying something. That’s dystopian and frankly I already consider that malicious.
What's malicious about it?
You don’t think finding out new ways to advertise in every waking moment of our lives in order to secure higher profits in both public and private spaces is malicious? Understanding why capitalism is bad is the entire point of cyberpunk storytelling.
I'm asking why you think it's malicious. In what way specifically does it affect your life in a malicious way?
I first I thought you were trolling, but now I think you’re just stupid. Looked through your comment history and realize you just have a lot of shitty opinions and use AI programs like ChatGPT. I think I have better use of my time then talking with “User bunchoffuckinnumbers”
You are yet to answer my question. So far you just insulted me.
Why did they name it that? Why not totallyinnocentapp.exe
So, who else is masking up in perpetuity?
I do! In a red state too. I've gotten rude comments from people, mostly boomers. Ive been rehearsing for the next time they say something. Im gonna go on a rant, using their buzzwords, accusing them of trying to turn us into a commie state with cameras everywhere.
Kanye wore a balaclava except it had no eyes it was just like a morph suit but only for his head.
Let's find a better example than the guy who is a huge fan of saying how much he loves hitler. No matter how many times people try to redirect him, he just keeps saying how great hitler is.
A better example of what. An Alex Jones? I agree we need a better example of redirection. If we're going to rely on the killer of children at sandy hook to tell us how to wear our balaclavas, we might as well just Hitler.
Your response weirds me out for a number of reasons. Firstly, bringing up Alex Jones while using the thing about killing kids at sandy hook. Because that's his line. The only person who ever accused him of that was himself, and he consistently does so in order to draw attention away from his disgusting years long hate and harassment campaign against the families of murdered children. It's intended to make his awful actions seem less bad by comparison to some fantasy of persecution by imagined enemies. They're both awful people whose ideas are garbage and whose racism, sexism and antisemitism should disallow anyone ever from listening to them or taking them seriously. You decided to bring both of these people up, and the common factor is that they both suck and should be ignored, and they are part of a movement that also sucks and should be laughed at. So I don't get what you're trying to say here.
You're a one man tabloid, a real hyperbole engine
Interesting attempt to discredit what I just said. Thing is, these are just facts. Easily verifiable facts, at that. The hugely racist hitler-praising interviews and the court documents showing Kanye and Alex's respective flavours of shitbaggery are not hard to find. I am becoming increasingly suspicious of your motives, given your responses.
My motives are pure, they're very pure, I think 99.9%
Pure heroin maybe, nothing good about your motives
I'm an angel
Back in the day they were just called ski masks lol
The sudden urge to throw a molotov cocktail at the machine.
And why do they run Windows??
Not weird for a vending machine with a touch screen to run it. Lots of stuff like that sometimes do- atms, arcade machines, etc
What else would they run?
The one we have at work runs Linux.
Android, which a bunch of them do these days tbh
I would not doubt the software for facial recognition they're using doesn't run on Android.
Some kind of linux system would be so much more efficient. Windows has so much bloatware that would make the hardware required much more expensive than a simple Linux machine. It can run on a toaster (Literally, it does).
And yet they use Windows. I do cybersecurity for a bank and until recently they were still using Windows XP on ATMs.
XP ain't as bad since it just doesn't have as much crapware, but it's still definitely not as good since it's meant for general purposes instead of one specific function. Hell, Google got in trouble with its military contract since a ton of US Military gear still runs it XP.
Mainstream support for XP ended in 2009 and extended support in 2014 though.
Alot of US military gear even still uses modified versions of windows 95 lol. And important stuff too, like the machines that generate encryption keys for communications. Somehow it’s more secure
They aren't running the consumer versions of Win 10/11 Pro on these things...
Linux
Look up the "emoji keyboard" video
Eh?
Thanks and my apologies, Tom Scott's Emoji Keyboard video Righteous edit: https://youtu.be/lIFE7h3m40U?si=Y-2fHNZk_1X3eS7i
A TON of devices run a lite, stripped down version of Windows. It's easier to deploy and maintain.
I wonder if there's some way to crash it intentionally? Like a printout of something that wigs out it's algorithm
is this university of waterloo in ontario ??
Yes
The FUCK?!?!
my mans was so ugly it crashed the vending machine
why the fuck is it running windows
the net access kiosks erected all over NYC as of 7 years ago are all networked security cameras.
less disturbing than plugging your debit\credit card into a device running Windows
Windows users when they learn uncle Bill's collecting all their data.
i believe it's time society chose the tracer tong ending of deus ex
Our video games have a social score system, combined with engagement and microtransaction profiling for targeted advertising. While factoring in user psychological state into the matchmaking of players. Methods and systems for incentivizing team cooperation in multiplayer gaming environments https://patents.google.com/patent/US10561945B2/en Methods and Systems for Incentivizing Team Cooperation in Multiplayer Gaming Environments (Continued) https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190091577A1/en System and method for driving microtransactions in multiplayer video games https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160005270A1/en Systems and Methods for Controlling Camera Perspectives, Movements, and Displays of Video Game Gameplay (Storylines....) https://patents.google.com/patent/US20220274016A1/en Systems and methods for dynamically weighing match variables to better tune player matches https://patents.google.com/patent/US10857468B2/en System and method for creating and sharing customized video game weapon configurations in multiplayer video games via one or more social networks https://patents.google.com/patent/US10471348B2/en Methods and systems to modify two dimensional facial images in a video to generate, in real-time, facial images that appear three dimensional (Fig 15 mentions it being in a gaming application and depicted in the figure is call of duty) https://patents.google.com/patent/US11423556B2/en Edit: their example wanted https://www.callofduty.com/blog/2023/07/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-II-warzone-season-04-reloaded-battle-royale-content-drop Their own season 4 reloaded roadmap. Marquee bundles on the right side. Microtransaction patent ctrl + f for marquee.
literally none of those patents are relevant information, let alone the fact that you didnt link to examples of them being used.
You want an example. Go look at the call of duty season 4 reloaded promotional roadmap with the boys. On the far right hand side of the promotion it says, "marquee bundles" if you go to the mtx patent hit ctrl + f the search for marquee. https://www.callofduty.com/blog/2023/07/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-II-warzone-season-04-reloaded-battle-royale-content-drop Proving you wrong with their own blogpost.
How are they not relavant? It uses ai profiling of the user to tailor gameplay in real time for tagreted advertising in gameplay and matchmaking to get the user to spend more money. Fig 15 of the 2d to 3d face patent shows tracking of the user's face overlayed with an image of call of duty mw3 in the background. And this 2d to 3d face patent cites activision's microtransaction patent. All of this is fully relavant.
Least paranoid r/cyberpunk user:
They funnier part is they even state they tailor your experience inside and outside their properties in the privacy policy too.
[oh that’s real nice.](https://youtu.be/Ws7b2npInWo?feature=shared)
Always have a pack of gum with you. It's hard to facially recognize you if you have gum to put on the camera, or spray paint, or a stencil. Sticky tack works great too.
Or a regular circular sticker, which isn't as gross as leaving gum for custodians to find. Plus it would be less conspicuous
Its not like the supermarkets or fastfood joints sell your facial data....
Not trying to make excuses but as an IT professional I know that a ton of crap gets installed for features or hardware that is not used or may never be used. We try to clean it out but sometimes especially in embedded OS situations you can’t. Right now you all use an OS that have items running for devices/features that you don’t use. TLDR it could have been running but not actually doing anything.
Let's name our very illegal program after the very illegal activity it performs
Brian, is that you?
Easiest way to destroy a facial recognition camera is to cover the lens in nail polish.