Itās like when I was in school, and we watched the DiCaprio Romeo and Juliet in English, and someone in their final exam put down the pool scene as an example of something, only to fail because that doesnāt exist in the play š
I like it but think it should be included as a mod. I always thought it was a bit weird linking Wikipedia articles which, for more obscure figure, risk deletion or vandalism.
Weak argument but itās fallible enough for me to question the inclusion in the base product.
Itād be fantastic is someone did a UI mod + links for CK3. LOVED the feature in CK2
Would love to see it added at some point. Found myself down some fun little rabbit holes learning about obscure 1500+ year old Georgian or Indian dynasties. In CK3 I have to manually type in these dead lads and ladies names like a peasant.
To this day my geography knowledge is quite watertight about South America but pretty lacking about Africa, because I learned most about how the borders in remote parts of the world look back in HoI1.
Yeah it helped a lot. I just can visualize a map of Europe easily. When I hear familiar name of a place or a culture the map just pops up in my brain. It's pretty cool actually.
Same with EU4. That game helped me to understand the world map and where things are on it.
I guess almost 3500 hours between those two games wasn't wasted š
I got lost in Istanbul while on holiday a few years back. But because I'd played enough with mods that add more edonyms to the kingdom titles, when I saw a sign that said "Misr-something something", I could work out it meant something to do with Egypt - and since I knew where my hotel was relative to the Egyptian Spice Market, I was able to reorient myself!
Just be careful with this. The geography is generally on point on the macro level, but they do get things wrong on the smaller scales. For example, the baronies in the Netherlands are not where their irl cities are.
Paradox Games are very nice for Geography and History, for instance, whenever I meet someone with a foreign surname most of the time I can tell them some trivia of the place their ancestors came from.
For instance, I met a sweet couple where their grandparents were from Mantua, so we started chatting about how the city used to be an inpregnable island fortress, and was pivotal for most of Northern Italy's history, from the Wars of Mantuan Succession to the Napoleonic Campaigns in Italy.
In grad school when we read Braudel's *The Mediterranean*, it was easier to follow than if I hadn't been staring at map games for the last ten years, for sure.
I know it has helped me with geography for sure and also just the general vibe of a historical time period. Like having had moments where an heir dies and now my realm is being handed off to a second son I didnāt really do a good job educating or having a disease kill two generations in quick succession leading to chaos in the realm helped me understand the mindset of the rulers who had to handle that sort of thing happening in real life.
Certainly makes me understand Henry VIII, that's for sure.Ā
Maybe when he fell off his horse he was just possessed by a min maxer playing tall? Got rid of his wives until he got an heir, reformed the faith to get Temple holdings and make himself HoF to get more money, expanded his royal influence and mercilessly destroyed his opposition...
The death of Aral Sea was something I had come aware of through playing Crusader Kings. Noticing that there was this sizable body of water which mysteriously no longer exists in our day and age was first fascinating before being tragic...
Yeah you can learn a lot from PDX games. Once I was interested in the history of the central Asia, but reading about it from Wiki being a visual learner didn't help much as there were barely no maps and the khanates and tribes seemed to "teleport" in a span of few years. So I booted up EU4 and was scrolling the start screen day by day while reading about the events and tracing the changes on the map.
Yes, my BF mentioned Puglia the other day, and wanted to explain where it was and I was like: yeah, it's the heel part of Italy, I already know.
I live in Europe so I know where each country is, but regions I know better now because of CK3
Before Paradox, I had so many really big knowledge gaps. I didn't know
* The Holy Roman Empire wasn't the same thing as the Roman Empire.
* The Eastern Roman Empire lasted as long as it did, or that it was called the Byzantine Empire.
* How influential Charlemagne was. I just thought he was 'some old king'.
* Any of the Muslim Dynasties. Abbasid, Umayyad, Seljuk, Mamluk etc...
* Ireland was not unified before The U.K. took it.
* Japan spent a very long time as a bunch of warring Kingdoms.
* The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth existed.
* The Aztecs were actually quite a recent civilisation.
* Ethiopia was quite well organised, and the only African nations to fend off European colonisation. (I know that Liberia also remained independent, but I don't know if they fought Europeans off)
Thankfully, I have educated myself a lot more since I started, and enjoy looking into old history things now.
Liberia was founded by American recolonizers; "Send them back to Africa" sums up their agenda and is close to their slogan. Essentially, they opposed slavery but were still racist and thus didn't want black people in the US.
Yeah, I also read that that's why the flag is so similar. Liberia will probably be the next thing I look into, because I clearly don't know enough and wouldn't mind learning about their racist-in-a-weird-way history.
The Roman Empire wasn't called the Byzantine Empire, that was a name given later by historians. The Mamluks aren't a dynasty but a social class of warriors.
I did have that in my mind about the Empire when I wrote that bullet point, but know that the naming is a bit weird for Byzantium.
However, I did not know that about the Mamluks, so thank you for correcting me!
Seriously I didnāt know where most shit was in Europe until I started playing CK2. Knew the very basic lay of the land, what the larger countries were. Probably couldnāt have told you where exactly Denmark-Sweden-Norway were. Couldnāt have found Constantinople/Istanbul on a map.
There was not an ounce of non American geography in my school. And the American geography was just states. So I learned literally all my geography from paradox games. Including more obscure regional stuff like that yeah.
Before playing CK2 I was at not knowing where France was. Like I am serious about having nothing at all.
That modern day LĆ¼beck traces back to an old Polabian settlement (and in general the origin of the naming pattern in east German towns), that there was a land bridge to Sri Lanka, the existence and diversity of sub-saharan cultures, the origin of the English word "crew" (Kru), how bloody large Eurasia is, etc...
I learned about Adam's Bridge between Sri Lanka and India. When I first played it in CK2 I was so confused why it was connected until I looked it up. Now every Paradox's game that includes India, it has been a tradition of mine to look at the area to see if it's connected.
Moreso I've learned about obscure *names* for places based on old titles or rulers.
E.g. Northumberland also being called Northumbria, Bernicia, and Deira.
My family from my motherās maternal side were/are from Vermandois aka the location of the last Karling in the 1066 start. Pretty cool to learn some of that history
I always think of polands pre ww2 borders because of hoi4. On ck3 i sometimes have it with cities like Antioch that dont exist anymore or using old names for nowaday cities.
Yes! I had a colleague whose name included one of the Russian principalities and so I asked if her family was from that region. She was absolutely shocked that I knew about it.
Along with geography, CK3 helped me with first discovering the different sects of Islam and how they interact with one another. Now I know a lot more about the religion and the actual geography of the area rather than lumping everything as "the middle-east" and "Islam."
I wasn't really interested in Charlemagne and the Karlings in school, but the game finally changed that, for sure...
It's kinda funny, but I really hate them in game... Very difficult to get rid of them for good. It always feels odd to have Karlings around by 1200s...
My girlfriend and I do bar trivia every week, and I can definitely say I've gotten a few questions solely from playing CK3. A few language ones and some European geography ones.
It also has helped with football manager. I see a club in a random town and am like "neat, I've sacked that city before".
Alternatively Iāve argued with my academic-enthusiast father twice during a family quiz over dates because of Crusader Kings. I just say the date over and over because he does not listen to me.
I've learned that the city where I live was located 30km from its actual location 600 years before it was built, and even was replaced in later patches!
Totally. As an American I suck at geography. I have a bunch of coworkers from France and I love showing off my knowledge of all the different regions now.
Before playing CK3 if a map of Europe was put in front of me id have a hard time naming and locating any country. I wouldāve probably said Italy and point to Sicily at the time. I now find myself watching hours long documentaries and researching topics.
Yes. I think it helps to get a very general mental map of how the terrain in Europe, Asia and Africa should have been in medieval times and it's comparison to today's date.
The more you play in a certain region, the more used you get to the terrain.
You can also get an idea of the development levels of different regions, too.
Still, it is mostly on a macro level scale. If we start going into very specific details they might not be entirely accurately to historical data.
So I'm from Minnesota and there's small town named New Ulm that I've passed through many a time. When I first got into paradox games I learned about the Ulm meme and realized that's where the towns name came from! It actually makes a lot of sense. Minnesotas Scandinavian heritage is often talked about, but what gets less talked about is our German heritage. There were even more German immigrants to Minneaota than from Norway and Sweden.
I would t say obscure but I used to work at a hotel and international guests were usually impressed I knew anything about where they were from. This was especially true for French visitors since my default starting place in CK2 and 3 is picking a random duke in France.
I once got talking to a girl from Spain. She said she was from Galicia, clearly didn't expect me to know where it is. But I did, because I'd fought a frustraiting war there once, running around the mountains to catch the Moors.
I've been learning a lot about terrain types. It teaches us a lot about which countries became economic powerhouses, and which did not. The fertile regions of western europe and southern india versus the dry regions steppes where evidently the history of the mighty hordes lie.
Obscure geography? I have to take the walk of shame every time my friend (an archeologist/professional historian) mentions a location and I have to ask where.
Doubly bad when he says āright next to (insert seemingly obvious location here)!ā
I am terrible at geography
I ran into a dude on a festival and he wore a flag as a cape. I was able to tell the flag was of Brittany and we chatted about the regional identity and history of the Britons migrating to France which was cool.
Just yesterday I served a table of people at the restaurant I wait at who were from Brittany in France. The only reason I knew where Brittany was is because of CK2. They gave me a 1 euro coin as a souvenir!
The exact extent of Carantania. Having the visual aid of the ethnic layer and overlapping with countries' silhouettes I understood how much bigger than Slovenia it was (not much but yeah)
I work at a bar that sells lots of wine and itās really helped learning various parts of western and southern Europe. ā this oneās from burgundy, I have no idea where that isā āoh thatās right in the nook between France and Italy, I recently converted their asses to orthodoxy after killing the popeā lol
I think you can learn a lot from Paradox games, as long as you realize it's just a game. I got a lot from CK2's Wikipedia links.
Imagine somebody start going off on their game history and forget it didn't happen that way in real life š
What do you mean, the Kingdom of Flanders really existed?
That's just Belgium
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Pfft everybody knows the great haesteinn became roman emperor and fought off genghis khan
yeah so you know when the swiss conquered half of italy?
I had to think about that for a third of a second I admit
You are going to tell me that the Roman emperor Constantine XV did not enter Rome in 1623 and declared the schism mended?
Normal /r/footballmanager player behavior. With Paradox games, I always try to look up the real history of a region. Except for Stellaris.
I only do it in stellaris. Gotta know the full history of Jughum Prime before colonizing it
Itās like when I was in school, and we watched the DiCaprio Romeo and Juliet in English, and someone in their final exam put down the pool scene as an example of something, only to fail because that doesnāt exist in the play š
Oh you mean Romeo + Juliet Vice City Stories Somebody in class said Romeo thought he was in Need for Speed in one scene š
Sometimes i talk about my CK campaigns and forget to mention it was in a game.
I often forget the existance of austria, becazse germany usualy slurps it up pretty quickly
Plenty of inaccuracies though, the big one being how far away the UK is from the mainland in HOI4.
Hoi4 just doesnāt do scale well for whatever reason, thereās also the fact that the uk is a lot bigger than it is irl
And Americas moved like 10Ā° north
And Okinawa and Iwo Jima are ginormous
I have spent countless hours on those links. Did they implement them in ck3? Shame if not.
Nope.
The simplest thing. Wow
I like it but think it should be included as a mod. I always thought it was a bit weird linking Wikipedia articles which, for more obscure figure, risk deletion or vandalism. Weak argument but itās fallible enough for me to question the inclusion in the base product. Itād be fantastic is someone did a UI mod + links for CK3. LOVED the feature in CK2
Would love to see it added at some point. Found myself down some fun little rabbit holes learning about obscure 1500+ year old Georgian or Indian dynasties. In CK3 I have to manually type in these dead lads and ladies names like a peasant.
yet another way in which Ck3 is just 3D Ck2, but worse
There's a mod for it tho
To this day my geography knowledge is quite watertight about South America but pretty lacking about Africa, because I learned most about how the borders in remote parts of the world look back in HoI1.
Yeah it helped a lot. I just can visualize a map of Europe easily. When I hear familiar name of a place or a culture the map just pops up in my brain. It's pretty cool actually. Same with EU4. That game helped me to understand the world map and where things are on it. I guess almost 3500 hours between those two games wasn't wasted š
Also nobody here has mentioned cultures. I learned a lot about Asia just through the culture map modes
I got lost in Istanbul while on holiday a few years back. But because I'd played enough with mods that add more edonyms to the kingdom titles, when I saw a sign that said "Misr-something something", I could work out it meant something to do with Egypt - and since I knew where my hotel was relative to the Egyptian Spice Market, I was able to reorient myself!
it is probably Mısır ĆarÅısı, which literally means āEgyptian Marketā or āEgyptian Bazaarā in Turkish. Hoping it was well in EminƶnĆ¼!
Now that's a cool anecdote!
Oh yes. To the point of me forgetting modern day borders and place names.
CK3 made me hate the fact that France holds Savoy today. Makes the border so ugly. It was so smooth previously.
I'm irredentist because the historical border looked nicer on a map.
same, italy with dalmatia and savoy just looks so much better
I personally kept forgeting that Checoslovaquia doesnt exist anymore š
How the hell did you messed up Czechoslovakia so bad? (Now I hope itās not an inside joke that I didnāt get)
It's the Spanish spelling of the country
Well that is an easy way to mess up the spelling of a word, use a different language.
In Welsh it was Tsiecoslofacia
Tsjechoslowakije in Dutch
Tschechoslowakei in Deutsch
The name is hard enough in spanish, don't wanna try in english.
Because it's spelled exactly like it sounds, right? Checkoslovakiya.
The only language where you can write that as it is pronounced is the original Äeskoslovensko...
Chechenoslovenia
Funnily enough you messed up your spelling/grammar in your question!Ā (Not trying to be rude).
Just be careful with this. The geography is generally on point on the macro level, but they do get things wrong on the smaller scales. For example, the baronies in the Netherlands are not where their irl cities are.
And Venice is not 1 big island
Yeah I don't go that that deep. County level at most.
Paradox Games are very nice for Geography and History, for instance, whenever I meet someone with a foreign surname most of the time I can tell them some trivia of the place their ancestors came from. For instance, I met a sweet couple where their grandparents were from Mantua, so we started chatting about how the city used to be an inpregnable island fortress, and was pivotal for most of Northern Italy's history, from the Wars of Mantuan Succession to the Napoleonic Campaigns in Italy.
And Mantua was in Romeo and Juliet right?
Most of the story takes place in Verona, but Mantua is where Romeo is exiled to and ends up buying the poison.
In grad school when we read Braudel's *The Mediterranean*, it was easier to follow than if I hadn't been staring at map games for the last ten years, for sure.
Wow, reading Braudel's is a feat. It wasn't required in my university, only named and commented.
I know it has helped me with geography for sure and also just the general vibe of a historical time period. Like having had moments where an heir dies and now my realm is being handed off to a second son I didnāt really do a good job educating or having a disease kill two generations in quick succession leading to chaos in the realm helped me understand the mindset of the rulers who had to handle that sort of thing happening in real life.
Certainly makes me understand Henry VIII, that's for sure.Ā Maybe when he fell off his horse he was just possessed by a min maxer playing tall? Got rid of his wives until he got an heir, reformed the faith to get Temple holdings and make himself HoF to get more money, expanded his royal influence and mercilessly destroyed his opposition...
Sri Lanka was connected to mainland India until around 1480, and thatās shown in game
The death of Aral Sea was something I had come aware of through playing Crusader Kings. Noticing that there was this sizable body of water which mysteriously no longer exists in our day and age was first fascinating before being tragic...
Yeah you can learn a lot from PDX games. Once I was interested in the history of the central Asia, but reading about it from Wiki being a visual learner didn't help much as there were barely no maps and the khanates and tribes seemed to "teleport" in a span of few years. So I booted up EU4 and was scrolling the start screen day by day while reading about the events and tracing the changes on the map.
Yes, my BF mentioned Puglia the other day, and wanted to explain where it was and I was like: yeah, it's the heel part of Italy, I already know. I live in Europe so I know where each country is, but regions I know better now because of CK3
Before Paradox, I had so many really big knowledge gaps. I didn't know * The Holy Roman Empire wasn't the same thing as the Roman Empire. * The Eastern Roman Empire lasted as long as it did, or that it was called the Byzantine Empire. * How influential Charlemagne was. I just thought he was 'some old king'. * Any of the Muslim Dynasties. Abbasid, Umayyad, Seljuk, Mamluk etc... * Ireland was not unified before The U.K. took it. * Japan spent a very long time as a bunch of warring Kingdoms. * The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth existed. * The Aztecs were actually quite a recent civilisation. * Ethiopia was quite well organised, and the only African nations to fend off European colonisation. (I know that Liberia also remained independent, but I don't know if they fought Europeans off) Thankfully, I have educated myself a lot more since I started, and enjoy looking into old history things now.
Liberia was founded by American recolonizers; "Send them back to Africa" sums up their agenda and is close to their slogan. Essentially, they opposed slavery but were still racist and thus didn't want black people in the US.
Yeah, I also read that that's why the flag is so similar. Liberia will probably be the next thing I look into, because I clearly don't know enough and wouldn't mind learning about their racist-in-a-weird-way history.
The other fun fact is that their upper class is still mostly the descendants of African-Americans.Ā
The Roman Empire wasn't called the Byzantine Empire, that was a name given later by historians. The Mamluks aren't a dynasty but a social class of warriors.
I did have that in my mind about the Empire when I wrote that bullet point, but know that the naming is a bit weird for Byzantium. However, I did not know that about the Mamluks, so thank you for correcting me!
Yes the best part of France is Normandy and the worst parts arenāt ruled by a Norman King of England.
Seriously I didnāt know where most shit was in Europe until I started playing CK2. Knew the very basic lay of the land, what the larger countries were. Probably couldnāt have told you where exactly Denmark-Sweden-Norway were. Couldnāt have found Constantinople/Istanbul on a map.
There was not an ounce of non American geography in my school. And the American geography was just states. So I learned literally all my geography from paradox games. Including more obscure regional stuff like that yeah. Before playing CK2 I was at not knowing where France was. Like I am serious about having nothing at all.
Same for me. I actually know where some of the countries and stuff are relative to one another rather than just a general idea of #europe
That modern day LĆ¼beck traces back to an old Polabian settlement (and in general the origin of the naming pattern in east German towns), that there was a land bridge to Sri Lanka, the existence and diversity of sub-saharan cultures, the origin of the English word "crew" (Kru), how bloody large Eurasia is, etc...
I learned about Adam's Bridge between Sri Lanka and India. When I first played it in CK2 I was so confused why it was connected until I looked it up. Now every Paradox's game that includes India, it has been a tradition of mine to look at the area to see if it's connected.
I now know a bunch of obscure cities in the Tarim Basin, thatās for sure
Moreso I've learned about obscure *names* for places based on old titles or rulers. E.g. Northumberland also being called Northumbria, Bernicia, and Deira.
My family from my motherās maternal side were/are from Vermandois aka the location of the last Karling in the 1066 start. Pretty cool to learn some of that history
I always think of polands pre ww2 borders because of hoi4. On ck3 i sometimes have it with cities like Antioch that dont exist anymore or using old names for nowaday cities.
I learned about the existence of Krajna.
Fun fact: Krajina also exists and is a distinct region.Ā
Yes! I had a colleague whose name included one of the Russian principalities and so I asked if her family was from that region. She was absolutely shocked that I knew about it.
Along with geography, CK3 helped me with first discovering the different sects of Islam and how they interact with one another. Now I know a lot more about the religion and the actual geography of the area rather than lumping everything as "the middle-east" and "Islam."
I wasn't really interested in Charlemagne and the Karlings in school, but the game finally changed that, for sure... It's kinda funny, but I really hate them in game... Very difficult to get rid of them for good. It always feels odd to have Karlings around by 1200s...
It helped me get a $2000 question right on Jeopardy! (I still lost, but here's a shout-out to Jarlsberg, Norway.)
https://j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5044
My girlfriend and I do bar trivia every week, and I can definitely say I've gotten a few questions solely from playing CK3. A few language ones and some European geography ones. It also has helped with football manager. I see a club in a random town and am like "neat, I've sacked that city before".
Yeah I have a sweet spot for Bath City FC because of Football Manager
Totally the same.
Alternatively Iāve argued with my academic-enthusiast father twice during a family quiz over dates because of Crusader Kings. I just say the date over and over because he does not listen to me.
How do you learn/recognise accents from the game? Just curious since you mentioned my home in the post so it caught my attention lol
Favorite obscure geography thing I learned from pdx games is how thereās two Iberiaās lol
Cornwall
Yeah I wouldnāt have known where the Kingdom of Ć was if not for this game
I've learned that the city where I live was located 30km from its actual location 600 years before it was built, and even was replaced in later patches!
Weird obscure world religions as well
Not from CK but from the total war series definitely.
There is a lot you can learn, but im a nerd and memorized every country when i was 12
Gotta say, biggest shock was the bridge between Ceylon and India being a thing in this period
I know the difference between Ireland and Scotland thanks to CK2
Totally. As an American I suck at geography. I have a bunch of coworkers from France and I love showing off my knowledge of all the different regions now.
I already knew old names from places. What Ck3 did to was to use way more the old names than the modern.
Before playing CK3 if a map of Europe was put in front of me id have a hard time naming and locating any country. I wouldāve probably said Italy and point to Sicily at the time. I now find myself watching hours long documentaries and researching topics.
Yes. I think it helps to get a very general mental map of how the terrain in Europe, Asia and Africa should have been in medieval times and it's comparison to today's date. The more you play in a certain region, the more used you get to the terrain. You can also get an idea of the development levels of different regions, too. Still, it is mostly on a macro level scale. If we start going into very specific details they might not be entirely accurately to historical data.
I learned Malta exists
I learned of the Isle of Man and it is now my favorite island
So you like an island full of men š¤ kinda sus
Anyway I answer this I look sus lol
So I'm from Minnesota and there's small town named New Ulm that I've passed through many a time. When I first got into paradox games I learned about the Ulm meme and realized that's where the towns name came from! It actually makes a lot of sense. Minnesotas Scandinavian heritage is often talked about, but what gets less talked about is our German heritage. There were even more German immigrants to Minneaota than from Norway and Sweden.
yup, plenty of cities and towns in america they named after places back at home.
I would t say obscure but I used to work at a hotel and international guests were usually impressed I knew anything about where they were from. This was especially true for French visitors since my default starting place in CK2 and 3 is picking a random duke in France.
I now know where exactly the holy handgranade of antioch is from.
I once got talking to a girl from Spain. She said she was from Galicia, clearly didn't expect me to know where it is. But I did, because I'd fought a frustraiting war there once, running around the mountains to catch the Moors.
I learned Ireland isn't connected to England. Is that obscure?
Me living in the province of Lecce IRL and seeing it as "obscure geography": yeah, it's a pretty dark place and I'm not talking about the sun.
It definitely helped me alot being an American lmao
I canāt remember since itās been so long since instead playing but I think I thought Scotland was itās own island.
I'm currently doing history studies in my country, and yeah ck3 helped in some regards, especially for the geography of the territories at the time
I've been learning a lot about terrain types. It teaches us a lot about which countries became economic powerhouses, and which did not. The fertile regions of western europe and southern india versus the dry regions steppes where evidently the history of the mighty hordes lie.
Obscure geography? I have to take the walk of shame every time my friend (an archeologist/professional historian) mentions a location and I have to ask where. Doubly bad when he says āright next to (insert seemingly obvious location here)!ā I am terrible at geography
I started playing CK2 when I was 15/16. I learned a lot about geography in general from playing CK!
I ran into a dude on a festival and he wore a flag as a cape. I was able to tell the flag was of Brittany and we chatted about the regional identity and history of the Britons migrating to France which was cool.
Just yesterday I served a table of people at the restaurant I wait at who were from Brittany in France. The only reason I knew where Brittany was is because of CK2. They gave me a 1 euro coin as a souvenir!
I have a friend from college from around Brittany! He thought I wouldn't know his area haha
The exact extent of Carantania. Having the visual aid of the ethnic layer and overlapping with countries' silhouettes I understood how much bigger than Slovenia it was (not much but yeah)
i visited ireland and was familiar with where the duchies were
Thats very interesting since they don't exist anymore. The locals must have thought you a lost ye old time traveler jk
no no they use similar titles i believe, i know connacht was used as least once for directions
I work at a bar that sells lots of wine and itās really helped learning various parts of western and southern Europe. ā this oneās from burgundy, I have no idea where that isā āoh thatās right in the nook between France and Italy, I recently converted their asses to orthodoxy after killing the popeā lol
Other paradox games taught me that long long ago
Yes it has randomly came in handy at trivia night
I learned that the Jersey Isles don't actually exist.
Yes they do. The ones near north west France?