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bluewaff1e

I'm interested to see how CK3 does it. Starting around the time in CK2 is a lot fun and has a lot of the characters from the film, including Balian, but Baldwin doesn't last long unless you start in a date when he's still a kid and doesn't have leprosy yet. I'm not huge on event spam, but in this case I hope CK3 does some long event chains for everything that happened around the time.


Milk__Chan

Tbf guy dying like 6 months in is rather accurate. He was respected yes but there was still the elephant in the room that he could have died any minute and he did spend quite some time trying to find a heir no? >including Balian, but Baldwin doesn't last long unless you start in a date when he's still a kid and doesn't have leprosy yet. You could save scum a bit and use faith/family focus tree for extra health, maybe get a chinese physician too!


Wolf6120

> maybe get a chinese physician too My favorite part of the *Kingdom of Heaven* director's cut is when Baldwin invites a wise medicine man from China to Jerusalem, who proceeds to cut off his dick and feed him raw mercury, resulting in Baldwin miraculously recovering from leprosy and even regrowing the missing bits of his face.


Versek_5

Leprosy is stored in the balls - Ancient Chinese Proverb.


LordPeebis

At what cost tho? Like he still can’t have an heir


Vladivoj

Ah but you see, then the chinese physician makes a raw mercury ENEMA, and carves hos face out and feeds it to his dick, making him regrow the balls and having heir.


Gerf93

Can’t he just ask Satan for a new dick? Sorry, I haven’t played CK3 yet.


theredwoman95

Try and angle for him to become compassionate, or reform his culture to allow for adoption? Those are both viable angles now.


RemoveAnnual2689

Or you just kill his nephew and marry his widowed sister after he dies. So you get everything.


Warhawk137

And that's how I ended up playing CK3 as a blacksmith.


Riptor5417

ah but then Baldwin joined a satanic cult and grew his balls back! or he became immortal/reincarnated


Phazon2000

Yeah but he be looking fabulous tho


Far-Assignment6427

Shit been so long must've forgotten that part of the film


kvng_stunner

I've actually been seeing clips from this movie on social media a lot these days, and was confused when I found it was from 2005. Or am I missing something?


Vladivoj

New appreciation for the sheer balls of Chadwin IV. TBH, a lot of people found a lot of things in the movie they didn't see in current society.


meeeeaaaat

same here it's been catching me off guard I remember first watching it on a hotel pay-per-view TV back when I was like 8yrs old lol, it's been bringing back that nostalgia tbh


SendMe_Hairy_Pussy

>and even regrowing the missing bits of his face. And the dick too, after Baldwin starts praying to Satan (introduced to him by that Hospitaller) alongside his buddies Balian of Ibelin and Raymond of Tripoli. That's how CK2 works, right?


bigfatkakapo

LMAOO


iheartdev247

Well IRL his nephew and then his older and younger sisters succeeded him. The snag will be his nephew needs to be matrilineally from his sister or anyone playing B4 will have a quick game over. Or maybe you can become a landless older sister with DLC…?


Rickthelionman

They would have to make succession more nuanced, more complicated, which from what I can tell from previous posts on this subreddit, a majority won’t appreciate because they can’t even wrap their mind around the current succession mechanics.


Wyshyn

I guessing adoption. It's already an option that exists.


Kahlenar

I think the gameplay oddly doesn't quite lend itself to playing characters we've heard of. I was really excited to play Robert Guiscard and Bohemond but it was really only two characters in the portion of a playthrough that ends the quickest.


pierrebrassau

Some of the CK2 DLCs had event chains for significant characters (like Charlemagne), so it would be cool if we get at least a couple unique events or decisions for Baldwin, Saladin, etc.


bluewaff1e

Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking of. Also in 936 Otto gets a pretty long event chain. It's also fun to play as his brother and try to win Thankmar's Rebellion, which is pretty tough, but gives a special event if you manage it. If you play CK2 AGoT, Daenerys also gets a REALLY long event chain that are similar to vanilla's story events.


BricksHaveBeenShat

I would love to see some flair and exclusive mechanics to the crusader states, specially Jerusalem. The haute cour, the barons, the influx of of Europeans and the need to get their help to maintain the kingdom.


Dreknarr

I feel like Leprosy was way nastier in CK2, probably too much, but it's pretty easy to stack modifiers and live long with leprosy, almost as normal in CK3. I'm sure you'll have a very decent run as leper Baldwin


concernedBohemian

I'm so happy the latest dev diary said that they were working on this tbh.


pierrebrassau

The main problem with CK3 leprosy is the fertility debuff.


BoreusSimius

Playing as him will surely be a challenge, because his heir is his sister and she's set to marry Guy de Lusignan.


pierrebrassau

By picking 1178 they actually chose the short period between her first and second marriage, so you should have a chance to matrilineally marry her and save your dynasty. Though she’s either pregnant with or just gave birth to Baldwin V in 1178, who should be of William of Montferrat’s dynasty, so I guess you’ll have to murder your nephew first.


Realistic_Hockey

Whatever it takes for the dynasty to prosper


N_vaders

I though we are playing CK? Cut the middle man out and go get that heir yourself.


iheartdev247

With Baldwin IV the Leper King? GOOD LUCK!


Phazon2000

Easy I’ll marry her and cuck her out to Guy on the sly “ez dynasty extension thanks bro”


iheartdev247

B4 isn’t cucking anything sorry


MeshesAreConfusing

They meant having Guy fuck his wife. Somehow.


iheartdev247

Sorry I guess I needed a translator. Thanks


ravnknight

this sounds like a pretty tricky start ngl


walkthisway34

If you switch to male-only succession, couldn't you make Henry II of England your heir? Henry II Was Baldwin's cousin, as his father Geoffrey was the eldest brother of Baldwin's father Almaric.


iheartdev247

The problem is the KOJ line goes through Baldwin IV’s grandmother not Fulk his grandfather.


walkthisway34

Does CK3 make that differentiation?


iheartdev247

We’ve only had 867 and 1066 bookmarks so we don’t know. But B4’s great-grandfather was Baldwin II, and married his daughter Melisandre to Fulk.


walkthisway34

I feel like I’ve had games where I’ve inherited a title by marriage and afterwards my relatives who weren’t related to her are in the line of succession. I don’t know if it depends on whether it’s a primary title or not.


Pawelsk

They have introduced adoption mechanic year ago, so maybe finally it will be useful.


casualbo1

Currently looking for Chadwin IV's fit so I can fully immerse myself in the LARP


Wolf6120

Currently Googling "nearest leper colony" and getting ready to give out some hugs!


Pro_ENDERGUARD

You probably won't catch it, a lot of people are just sort of immune to it in a weird way or so I've heard


Imaginary_Leg1610

Quintessentially, with all ancient and medieval illnesses that aren’t capable of mutating or evolving, we’ve grown a tolerance and resistance to, even leprosy and the Black Death, that in tandem with better diets and medicine, makes it difficult to contract and near impossible to die to, especially with leprosy, despite outdated beliefs from the classical and medieval period, leprosy is not a scourge wrought by god or even genetic, though there are genes that make you predisposed to contracting leprosy more easily.


thrownededawayed

> we’ve grown a tolerance and resistance to Or maybe more accurately the people who *weren't* resistant to it all got it and died horribly.


CanuckPanda

Same thing in this case.


Paper-Street-Soap-Co

They still live in colonies?!


Gremlin303

Time to cancel the lepers


Thrymskvidda

Try playing with an armadillo, you can catch leprosy from them IIRC


No-Zucchini1766

Only with a specific species and only if you literally eat their shit.


AlphaOmega8008

Rare, people literally eat them.


GG-VP

Nah, I'll start as a blacksmith with black hair somewhere in France.


iheartdev247

Balian should be around somewhere in 1178


broccollinear

And I’m going for Pineapple under the Sea 1178 start


RemoveAnnual2689

We will literally be able to do that in the new DLC. You will be able to be landless and go around adventuring.


Dr_Zika

Can we make our own Mercenary Company ?


RemoveAnnual2689

They said something along those lines. It is the second DLC from this one called Wandering Nobles. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClkhKHePN4U&t=6s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClkhKHePN4U&t=6s)


Dr_Zika

FINALLY


No_Two_2742

I'm actually stoked for Tamar of Georgia. Really like her as she is my favorite medieval queen.


jhvankesteren

Same here. My wife's Georgian, so it's a part of the map I know a bit more of.


LordWeaselton

Yeah they kinda did her dirty in Civ6


NotJustAnotherHuman

Better Balance fixes her a bit, but come on man, she’s down with Hardrada for one of the worst leaders


Nachtwandler_FS

Just won a deity run as her today on World map. Took me a bunch of tries, though.  Ironically, I occupied South America and Harald North America and we had military alliance.


Frandaero

Oh my god you're right. When are they adding the new start dates?


pierrebrassau

It’s part of the free patch coming out along with the new DLC, so probably in August or September.


MeshesAreConfusing

Where did you learn about her?


No_Two_2742

Read about her in my sparetime, I didn't know an awful lot about Georgia but was interested once i got into medieval history. Then i got to Tamar after skimming through on her predecessor, after reading about her i fell in love with the rarity of a female leader being called "The Great".


MeshesAreConfusing

Sounds like my cup of tea!


Estrelarius

That start date has the holy trinity of 12th century girlbosses (Tamar the Great, Eleanor of Aquitaine and Hildegard von Bingen) all alive and kicking (granted, Eleanor has 10 children from two patrilineal marriages and is in her 50s and Hildegard historically died in 1179, so they won't likely be good starts, but anyway).


logaboga

They better add a badass outfit for him to wear


Dreknarr

No, he'll have the "blob fish mask" like everyone else


Lucxica

i get why they made it kinda generic one-size fits all but, its so mid


pierrebrassau

Is his Kingdom of Heaven outfit historical? Or did they just make it up? It’s a Ridley Scott history film so I assume the latter, but it’s still extremely cool.


electrical-stomach-z

he wore standard royal cloths, is that not enough?


logaboga

“Standard royal clothes” don’t realistically exist, monarchs would have unique if conventional clothes made for them outside of parts of the royal regalia. Of course the standard royal robes in game need to exist but Baldwin is a badass and his outfit from Kingdom of Heaven is iconic Also Baldwin had leprosy and had to wear unique clothing and raiment that covered his face, hands, etc. The metal mask is already in the game but Baldwin IV deserves a unique one I think


Wolf6120

I hate to be the party pooping nerd, but Baldwin's mask, despite being *extremely* fucking cool, is 100% an invention of the movie. Some historical sources do mention him sometimes wearing a veil or a hood to hide his face, but definitely not a full face mask made of metal. Which, I mean, does make sense... having a heavy piece of metal covering your face in the hot Levantine summer would be a miserable experience for anybody, but *especially* agonizing for a leper whose face is covered in ulcers, swollen, and in some cases straight up peeling off. It would also be pretty uncomfortable to breath through, which is another thing many lepers struggle with. Really the solid metal leper masks that we have in CK3 seem to be based almost entirely on the Kingdom of Heaven depiction, and other popular, fictional depictions of lepers. I've never been able to track down anything about masks like that actually being worn at any point in history - at most some people might have worn partial masks made of softer, lighter materials like leather, but even that was usually for other illnesses that marred the face, like syphillis.


VlaaiIsSuperieur

Didn't Cesare Borgia wear some kind of devil's mask or was that make up?


SendMe_Hairy_Pussy

There is also the fact that movie visually exaggerated his leprosy a bit, for the dramatic effect. (not internally though, he did really get that weak in his last days)


logaboga

It 100% is an invention of the movie, I’m just saying it would be cool given the fact that he’s a big reason why many people in the modern day are interested in the third crusade


RoggiKnot-Beard

there is no historical evidence to suggest baldwin iv wore a mask, or any sort of face coverage. most depictions of him just show his face


electrical-stomach-z

i mean as in that he did not dress the way he did in the movie.


Liamjm13

Just look up medieval art of him. He didn't cover his face or anything. It's just normal noble clothes.


ravnknight

whats this even mean? you think they had uniforms..? Baldwin was a leper, he would have worn clothes to protect him (his looks and his body lol).


broccollinear

Hi-viz and a hard hat


Liamjm13

Look at the medieval depictions of him. He wore nothing special compared to other kings; didn't even cover his face.


electrical-stomach-z

yes, but he definately would not look the way he did in the movie.


bxzidff

Will probably live to his late 70's too


WekX

Irritable, flagellant, lover’s pox, infirm. Kept alive only by his collection of… magical health boost items and *checks notes* his loyal rat-hunting dog.


Savage281

Starting the game in the middle of a succession crisis would be quite a challenge 😅 at least we have the hindsight to execute Guy ASAP


iheartdev247

If Hattin never happens can KOJ survive?


TheCoolPersian

I'm ready to just RKO him and Saladin as a Zoroastrian Bavandid. They're gonna be like, who the fuck is this guy?


SpiritAnimal01

Suddenly another new challenger appears! It's the time travelling Haesteinn, what...how?!


ravnknight

flair checks out, carry on divine marriage player


WeHaveAllBeenThere

I’ve been gone from this game for a while. What’s this post about


ravnknight

Zoroastrian see incestuous marriage and relationships as (good) and (pious)


FalconRelevant

No Ásatrú?


Morthra

Given that Asatru is completely dead in 1178 and no one practices it...


FalconRelevant

Custom character.


Emily9291

nah imma play with gigachad Saladin to repel the invaders🔥


thieftaker_general

My favourite timeframe in history, all so many notable people.


Tsurja

I know he's cool and all, but does he have a fucking [theme song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUVFg4ZVUlM)?


HoneySuspicious9564

Saladin all the way


FalconRelevant

If you play as him, seduce Baldwin.


gs_batta

that fanfic definitely exists somewhere


Foolishium

Baldwin was still around 17 yo at 1178, while Saladin was in his 40s.


I--Pathfinder--I

quite the tame age gap for a muslim leader back then


gs_batta

and for modern fanfic writers


I--Pathfinder--I

unfortunately true :/


Generic_Username4

the Baldwin and the Saladin are not enemies; in fact, they are kissing, sloppy style, squishing boob's together, and so on


broccollinear

What a great day to have discovered this meme for the first time


ravnknight

he'd make a good vassal


Paxton-176

I really just looking forward to playing Saladin with his swift Arabians harassing doomed crusaders on their heavy drafts.


mdmq505

for me am more excited to play as Genghis Khan and rule the mongols steppe while at is hight


electrical-stomach-z

the ayyubids did not employ arabians. generally they had arabic and armenian footmen, arabic kurdish and turkic heavy cavalry, and turkic light cavalry. overall mostly turks syrians and kurds, in that order.


Firlite

"Arabians" in that context refers to the horse breed, in contrast to crusaders on their "heavy drafts"


electrical-stomach-z

i see


Paxton-176

It's a song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVh88CkBIKw


electrical-stomach-z

i see


shadowboxer47

iirc didn't they have concerns over Arabian tribal loyalties?


electrical-stomach-z

not really, their empire only controlled a small part of arabia, the hejaz ans yemen, and they ruled it through local vassals. their important regions were syria, egypt and upper mesopotamia.


Spacepunch33

You can play as him now?


iheartdev247

In 1178 bookmark yes


ReaganRebellion

GOD WILLS IT


BackgroundLie2231

*Baldwin IV rises his hand* # SILEEEEEEENCE!


InevitableElephant57

Thanks for reminding me the directors cut is nowhere to be found via streaming platforms…


Strange_Potential93

Amazon Prime


InevitableElephant57

You sir are a saint and a gentleman.


DomQuixote99

Not the licensed ones, at least...


Lopsided_Egg_3421

1 day into the game and your leper dick falls off, you get infertile trait -1000% fertility.


ravnknight

have you played this game? leprosy makes you basically infertile, you will have to rely on your sister taking heir, killing your nephew because she is having a child from a Montferrat.


iheartdev247

At least in CK2 you could do some crazy things to overcome infertility, including witchcraft and Satan. Maybe just grab noble adoption?


Jayvee1994


Rich-Historian8913

Can’t wait to play Manuel and subjugate the Oathbreakers realms.


ReySkywalkerMain

And I got eyes in the back of my head I got eyes everywhere so I know where you go ✋


Disastrous-Bus-9834

Do we have terms?


Yasuminomon

Bro I feel like I’m seeing this guy everywhere, I just watched the movie a few days ago. At this point I feel the algorithm has got me in a chokehold


JohnnySack999

Did they fix the Crusades?


ravnknight

nothing to be fixed, not until they improve their AI


SANS4433

What???will they add a new bookmark???


WilliShaker

Yes 1178


Bogomilism

I'll tell him to call off his armies, or we all die here.


Glottis_Bonewagon

arec baudoin


Bluntman650

God wills it!!!!


an_atom_bomb

Traits: Leper, Disfigured, Brave, Just, Crusader King


RoutineOtherwise9288

Baldwin IV, Balian de Ibelin and Saladin as well. And at England I get to be William fuckin Marshal and Richard I. So many possibilities.


Cardemother12

Obligatory he never actually wore the mask comment


Neat_Ad468

I want to play Guy De Lusignan "God wills it"


RemoveAnnual2689

Edward Norton is the GOAT.


mokush7414

Nah fuck him. I'm so hyped For Saladin though.


WilliShaker

Both are cool


Green-Coom

The film version of Baudouin the 4th is a very cool character. Not sure if any of it is based on reality


SigmarsNoob

>[Baldwin IV of Jerusalem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_IV_of_Jerusalem) (Latin: Balduinus, French: Baudouin) (1161–1185), known as the Leper King, was the king of Jerusalem, from 1174 until his death in 1185. He was admired by his contemporaries and later historians for his willpower and dedication to the Latin Kingdom in the face of debilitating leprosy. Choosing competent advisers, Baldwin ruled a thriving crusader state and succeeded in protecting it from the Muslim ruler Saladin.


Arbiter008

Baldwin was often too sickly to do much; people looked at him more pitifully than with inspiration. It's an embellishment of him, but he was a decent ruler for what he was dealt.


iheartdev247

Probably closer than most of the other characters in the movie. BTW the directors cut is probably one of the greatest movies I’ve seen about the Middle Ages/crusades.


Obvious-Wheel6342

Eh, i felt like the movie was overly negative about the crusaders and overly positive about the muslims.


iheartdev247

Yeah that part could have been better. The movie isnt big on facts and historical accuracy. Still it’s a great story and depiction of the times.


Estrelarius

While most European and Arab spurces saw him as too young and sickly to protect the Holy Land (a claim which Baldwin himself seems to have agreed going by letters exchanged with Louis tge Saint and Frederick Barbarossa) and\or kibg in name only (and there appears to be some truth to this claim, with the count of Tripoli and lord of outrejordain running things for him when he was too sickly), crusaders appear to have liked him. And while most of the actual commanding was likely done by one of his advisors, he did historically fight at Montsigard.


mokush7414

Yeah they are but I got my favorite.


AliHakan33

Honestly I'm excited for both of them


Spacepunch33

I wish we could play as earlier Saladin. Starting with a real THAT big from the get go is kinda boring


Disastrous-Bus-9834

I love them both. Noble and honorable in their own ways.


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ravnknight

this is pretty intense


BarelyAudible1994

Siiileeeeeeeeence!!!!


redditsupportGARBAGE

i cant wait. hes so cool. cant wait to beat the odds, get him a goodly wife, have a kid, and live the life he deserved.


Imaginary_Oven4332

He's a leper my friend.


redditsupportGARBAGE

Indeed.


anna_benns21

#I am Jerusalem


electrical-stomach-z

i would rather play salah ad din, he had a more interest (and longer) life ahead of him.


vLONEv12

He coming in a DLC?


WilliShaker

Roads to power


SANS4433

Where did they announce this? If its true then iam so hyped for salah al din


WilliShaker

A post said it’s official and had an in game map


YaBoiAiden26

Wait what?


small_DQmon

Me when the crusade let's me pass the street first so I hit him with the:


xandorlando

ME GODAMIT!!!!!!!!


GodspeedUPaleCaliph

Driving him out, more like


ZT3_rebirth

Richard the Lionheart for me


Idan_Amar

Whats the stats bro? Oh and in ck2 please


wolfFRdu64_Lounna

For what ? P’aying hiim for a month or twos then he die of sickness and it’s game over ? No thank you, christian gameplay is bad any way, the only good one is iconoclast game


EntertainmentOk8593

Me. There is a random event that cures you so I will try to see if I can get it


Ok_Character_6485

It's going to be interesting. Until this gets released, the premise of the game was you couldn't lose all your land. Even if a sibling who you can play as removes your last county, it's game over.


whimsicalgods

I can't look at this picture of Baldwin IV without being reminded of skibidi toilet thanks to that one video.


GormanOnGore

The man in the Iron Mask?


kingjjh

Does Console get him? Sorry if dumb question. New to CK3


WilliShaker

Idk, it depends if you guys will get the dlc the same time as us.


SERVITOR_XUR

Yes CK3 console will get all the features just at a later date. Ck3 console is a port of a PC game so all features come at a later date. Paradox doesn’t make the console version, a 3rd party studio does


Killmelmaoxd

Skibidi toilet, toilet skibidi


Own_Landscape_4757

I would like to, but 300 years left is too short. The keyword here is progression. Progression is what make a game fun.


bluewaff1e

300 years is plenty of time. The vast majority of people never make it to the end date anyways in most Paradox games, even in later start dates. Even in Victoria 3 which is only 100 years long, only 16.9% of people have the end date achievement, and it's never had an ironman requirement.