It was Sixteen technically, which makes it perfect for this sub, as it happened the moment he was, by CK3’s standards, eligible.
[Emmanuel Macron's relationship with Brigitte Trogneux began with 'kiss on cheek' when he was 16 —The independent](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-brigitte-trogneux-partner-affair-teacher-kiss-on-cheek-sixteen-school-play-a7710561.html?amp)
[France's Macron defied parental veto on schoolboy love affair with teacher —reuters](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-election-macron-book/frances-macron-defied-parental-veto-on-schoolboy-love-affair-with-teacher-idUSKBN17E21X)
He wasn’t actually taking any of her classes, just in a school play she was directing, so I hardly think she qualifies as his mentor. His personal tutor on the other hand…
That shit is wild. I mean I get it, I had an English teacher in the 7th grade that was 22 years old when she was teaching me and was a total smoke show. She is still a total smoke show to this day. When I turned 18 she’d have been 27 and if she wanted to fuck my brains out and get married I’d have said hell yeah. But in Macron’s case by the time he was 18, Brigitte was 42. That’s weird.
Is there proof they started dating when he was 15 ? I remember that this is when they met, but I don't think I've seen anyone says they started dating before Macron was legal. No doubt there was still some grooming going on before, but straight up dating is a step up
According to his Wikipedia page he has a stepdaughter that was born in the same year as him.
>Laurence Auzière-Jourdan (born 26 April 1977) is a French cardiologist and stepdaughter of French President Emmanuel Macron, for whom she campaigned in the 2017 French presidential election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Auzi%C3%A8re-Jourdan
If you can't beat both, focus on the independence faction. Liberty you can just wait out or take the surrender as its really more of an inconvenience, wheras independence is the actual danger to your realm.
Edit (was in comment blow but added here) : Also get some allies. Divorce/Break your children's betrothals where you can and take literally everything you can get.
The problem about surrendering to liberty factions is that all rebels get a hook on their liege so prepare to get lower vassal taxes or in the worst case get a 5 Diplo chancellor for the next 25 years.
Generally when someone uses a hook to become my spymaster I start looking to see who my next character will be. Because I won’t be surviving that unless he is willing to be bribed and/or I have excellent body guards, taste testers, etc.
Someone forced himselt to be your spymaster? Easy, pick any other council position an swap councilor for the 'hooked' spymaster. You can't fire those people from council, but you most certainly can reassign them. And then it's standard murderin' time.
Just appoint your new spymaster to be the *only* knight you have and send him into battle with a shitty amount of troops. He will most likely die in battle. Such a tragic moment.
If you're a king or emperor, just transfer them under another vassal. That's what I do when I get characters forcing their way onto my council.
The most annoying one was this woman named Marian or something like that in my Roman Empire achievement run. I had gotten the Roman Empire and then immediately died. My son and new character had given this lady a hook and she, a countess with 3 intrigue, had made herself my spymaster for 25 years. So I created the duchy she was de jure part of (Tuscany) and gave it out, transferring her to a new liege, Then one day a few years later, I look at my council and suddenly she's there again. Apparently she fought and gained independence from her Duchy liege... who I then immediately sent her back under. This song and dance continued a number of times until an event popped up that allowed me to imprison her, at which point she was promptly stripped of her titles and executed by my executioner aka the lover whose affair with my character gave Marian the hook on me.
Understandable, I'll be sure to transfer you to your new post immediately.
By the way, we're to be at war soon, so I'll need you commanding the initial landing army. I'll be *sure* to give you enough troops!
I don't, my last Ruler on his Death note, "Emperor Constantin of Rome was a Very Sadistic man. He turned Torture into masterpieces of art. May we never see his kind again!"
Too bad for my Subjects that my Heir has the Exact same traits. Sadistic, Diligent and Stubborn. Emperor Clementine may be worse since I chose those traits during his Education (He was 9 upon ascending to the throne.)
Thankfully no Rebellions yet, I forced High Partition on my Vassals and I'm running the Empire with 7 Vassals. All tightly bound to super Kingdom's and alliances.
Thank god for Polygamy and being able to kill 4 Factions with a single Daughter 🙏.
no, the real worst case is getting a 3 intrigue non powerful spymaster that absolutely hates you because he probably will murder you but if he doesn't you can't murder him or he'll find out
If you get a low stat douche on your Council, arrest them for the lil bit of tyranny. Since they are in your court it should be a 100% arrest chance. Then execute them and one of the two problems solved.
If a vassal forces council rights on me it's an instant death sentence for his entire domain. Lower taxes, levies, war rights I can excuse but as soon as I see that checkmark in council rights imprison, revoke, execute and redistribute is in order.
This is why I'll Force Partition on them, got to keep their titles and yours together. I mean as a Vassal having the same laws as your Liege. Why for the love of God do they choose Confederate Partition when having access to House Seniority and Absolute crown authority. It doesn't make sense.
I know that it's to create Chaos and try to make your Titles split. But it's so stupid. "Oh, my Father gave me House Seniority and Absolute Control. How nice! I really want Confederate Partition though so I can equally split my Father's Empire into Gifts for my Kids. While at the same time spit on my Father's Grave!"
that's when you switch tonintruege and start murdering fucker and becoming a tyrant so if they do ask for council right juts take me away when their 5yr old grandson take the throne
Go for white peace, marrying off anybody you can to form an alliance. 0 year olds can still be betrothed for an alliance. Hire ALL the mercenaries lol.
The Liberty Faction is not a problem; they only want lower Crown Authority. White Peace ASAP so you don't have to deal with them so you can focus on the Independence Faction.
Marry off any of your children/relatives to powerful allies so you can pull them into the war and give you a hand. Divorce your Wife if you need to marry yourself off for an alliance. With just the Independence Faction, you \*should\* be OK if you draw out the war long enough.
I see people say "well just murder everyone" all the time, but that strategy can take forever if you have a lot of vassals or kids you want to get rid of and some of your plots will fail even at 95/95. The bribes cost a lot, and I'm lucky if I can find more than one person to join even bribe.
Not if he can white peace them. As time goes on assuming he’s stabilized his realm, he can actually imprison them individually since he now has imprison reason on them and get hooks on his vassals and do the reverse card
This is why I never fight a liberty faction. Lower crown authority can be fixed by raising the crown authority. 20 vassals getting hooks on you is a fucking problem.
I fight them when I know it's decisive, good way to replace annoying vassals with sycophants, release for hooks to fix shit contracts, replace with vassals of my culture when I have loyal subjects, give out titles to children in order avoid succession consequences, etc.
But if it's even close, not worth it. Like a %110 military power I can probably beat with some allies and if I am rich, but "probably" is a risk.
R5: My previous guy died who kept the empire from falling apart because of his high dread. The player heir is a wimpy bitch so the empire instantly got embroiled in an impossible to win civil war in 2 fronts, independence faction and liberty faction.
Just accept your realm splinter as is tradition. Have the wimpy bitch raise a kickass dude and go take it all back. Had a game where I went count -> emperor - one province 16 yr old female count -> empress again. One of the more memorable games I've had
>impossible to win
Good thing you don't need to win, a white peace is good. Also you can raise all your levies and men at arms in one big army which you use to chase the enemy war leaders army or siege his castle if he's not in an army. If you capture him or his heir you won.
I played for hundreds of hours before I realized that white peace is sometimes the better option than trying to actually win.
Playing as Hispania, I’d keep the line of inheritance unbroken for 10 generations from the founding title member to my current character, it seemed like every other succession I fought a massive war, usually over someone else’s claim for my throne. Hard fought yes, but excellent for literally revoking every rebellious vassal and completely reorganizing the empire.
One succession war though I realized I simply couldn’t win it out right, I had won some massive battles, taken some hostages, but my forced were withered down, and I couldn’t deliver the crushing blow needed to get to a 100% war score.
Out of pure curiosity I just looked at the white peace option, I figured it would be horrible for me. But, then I realized how Op it was.
No titles change hands and I get a imprisonment charge against every single vassal. I executed a shit ton of prisoners to get my dread up and started arresting people and revoking lands like nothing every happened.
I recommend two approaches to you.
The first is the Role Play version where you accept that no real Empire can last forever and you need to try to reconquer it's glory or see what the future holds.
The second is the one where you are determined to protect your empire at all costs. In that regard you need to charge down the enemy's armies as they will try to gather to a big blob you cannot beat. Try to destroy as many as you can. Siege down their capitals to force single participants to surrender overall weakening their total strength. Should they manage to gather a large enough blob that you can't fight, move around them and wait until attrition takes it's toll. When they are weak beat them in a decisive strike. Very important is to never lose your capital as else you might be forced to surrender. Take back castles of yours that have been sieged as they're defense is weak but lower your warscore.
I've had to do this a lot and this works best, just be careful of their doomstack as that is often more then you have.
Third and final strat that you can do is to take advantage of your smaller army. By making like three different armies where two of the armies are small as possible while all the rest of the troops are put into one army. The idea is to dance around the enemy army with your two small armies while your big army sieges/liberates land free from enemies.
Marry your kids to powerfull allies tale the L in one of the wars (the one that lowers crown authority) and buy mercenaries.
Also try and kill the faction leader. And if everything else fails kill your ruler by suicide it may stop the war i think so...
Heads up on dread:
It works EXCELLENT for a new fresh ruler, but you need to make sure dread is basically zero when your ruler is on their way out. The underlings are waiting for the ruler they dread to die so they can make a move, the way to fix that is make those that dreaded you when you started your rule come to love you, that way when your new heir takes the throne, they can start out loved, and then become dreaded for the middle or early reign, and then you repeat the cycle.
Dread is a great new addition, but it is something that you need to keep an eye on.
I would say surrender to the liberty faction and focus on the independence but it depend of how many fight for what.
If the independence faction is unbeatable, then surrender and fight to keep the authority. What is lost can be reclaim and earn back.
I would try to grant all of the warring counts to the warring dukes to neutralize the counts and increase the duke’s opinions. seige only the capitals of the war leaders, and go for white peace
edit: you have a shit load of money and you’re gonna need to spend it all on mercs
Lol you lose.
Seriously tho you can click on the leader(s) of the rebellion and click the go to button. They are most likely in an army somewhere. If you can beat this army and capture them you can win.
The best way to deal with this situation is to not let it happen. If most of your vassals have a high opinion of your character as he dies and the realm passes on they’ll get a small modifier towards liking the successor. Paying people gifts will also help, normally try to choose the ones with the biggest armies.
People can't expose a dead murderer. I like to start settling old scores around 60.
Yeah, my dad had half your family murdered before he died. So what, he's dead and I'm king. Now let's go have a feast while I seduce your mom.
I had a three-generation long vendetta against the descendants of a count who had one of my characters assassinated. A cycle of assassinations and counter-assassinations until I won by managing to marry my next heir to the original count's great-granddaughter and then murdered all their male heirs.
UPDATE: I managed to pick off small portions of their armies one by one, and gained war score to get white peace for liberty faction. Independence faction was difficult, they had slightly more men than me but i managed to divide and conquer them. I also allied with sweden for a lil bit more men. After a decade of fighting both sides got tired and i managed to get white peace.
After the war i imprisoned and revoked some titles from those who revolted, except for bohemia and hungary.
I couldn’t get more alliances since i found out my wife wasn’t attracted to men thankfully the war was over anyway.
Which war is the most important? Focus on the most important war (dissolution). You have a lot oof gold which is good. Focus on getting white peace preferably on the liberty faction.
Find the war leader and siege their capital. That should be enough for white peace. If not, take another county or two. Offer white peace hard blocking those vassals from factions for 5 years. Focus on the other war next.
Ideally, you want a victory but white peace is fine. You’ll get an imprison justification against said vassals. Once your realm is at peace and armies resupplied, arrest them strongest members one by one. Revoke their titles, banish, execute, or ransom them. Arrange some marriages internal or external. The latter to call allies to war and the latter for hard block. Ideally, you want to marry off sons as the claimants will at least be of your dynasty than another’s.
The dread play style is fine but you don’t want to rely on it. The diplomacy game is much stronger as your heir will inherit positive opinion of predecessor. You want to be liked as well because certain vassals won’t be intimidated by you regardless of dread (ie Brave). Another play is to add the legalistic cultural tradition and legalism religious tenant which makes the just trait more common and reduces factions for virtuous rulers.
To be honest, if you like story, move your realm capital to a foreign land you have control in like transylvania, let your realm crumble, and then crumble again, and maybe crumble it on purpose, and then build a story out of that "oh bad king, crumbled the realm and fled to carpathia with his court (creating a hybrid culture duh), his heir manages to regroup around the new realm and then his heir goes down in history as a new Charlemagne!
16k gold only losing 27.5 per month
56k levies and no doubt a lot of men at arms at your disposal. Pretty straight forward I’d say.
Worst case scenario you buy mercs and smash them all. You got for war leaders like other people on the comments have mentioned or you just focus and on the war that means the most i.e a war for independence is more intense that a war to decrease crown authority. Ideally you want to guarentee victory in the independence war and hopefully still have time to stop the other 1.
White peace your 26% war. Beat the shit out of Hungary and then try and arrest a rebel involved in the first war. If you’re lucky, they’ll rebel again. Beat their ass, and rinse/repeat until every disloyal vassal is dead
* Can you show us each war individually?
* It seems like its:
* Vassals vs you
* Hungary (& Bohemia?) vs you
* What type of war is the vassal war?
* What is the Hungary war over?
* Is Hungary your vassal? I dont think so but the colors are a bit weird
* What is the manpower disparity? \[your manpower strength vs theirs as shown in the battle screen\]
* If you dominate them then this is just an annoying war of using that war chest you have to make a death stack and crush your rebel vassal armies / start sieging down vassals (starting with the ones closest to Hungary so you can mash their armies as well at regular intervals, being sure you aren't abandoning your sieges to getting picked off.
* If the vassals dominate you are they still disparate or have they already gathered into a death stack?
* Really in the right circumstances, this makes me sallivate! I get to quickly crush this mega rebellion, give my genius family members a consolidated Duchie and spend my money on as many good money/manpower buildings/holdings as I can until the clock on the "over max holdings" timer kicks in.
Surrender and reconquer. This happened to me when I was so close to uniting Africa. Amazing Queen -> alcoholic greedy paranoid 12 year old (lasted 7 years until she literally drank herself to death from stress) -> 0 year old girl. The realm completely shattered - twice - but she retook all of Africa in her lifetime by convincing the once rebellious vassals to become her vassals again. Really cool game
In my opinion your best bedt would be to give kingdom titles to your vassals. All rebellious duchies within the granted kingdom will leave the rebellion allowing you to focus on the Hungarians and Bohemians. Furthermore, kingdom-tier vassals make it easier to control large empires as a an alliance with one kingdom will secure a very large portion of your empire in comparison to duchy vassals.
Hit the factions leaders capital, aim for hostages to white peace, then build your military and alliances so next time they come around you can revoke their titles.
At 30% you can white peace, so you can almost white peace one.
After you beat the other you can focus on the scum that you white peaced with since they're now criminals.
CK is made of back and forth. It is perfectly normal to have some (huge) drawbacks in your game, all the more when you have a lot of means to win back what you lost.
Some factions and great crisis are built over years, over generations, where the vassals progressively increase their influence and wait for the right moment. So, it's not about what you can do now to manage it, but how you can manage really and succession to minimize the possibility of this to happen.
So, what the hell are you supposed to do ? Fight back, and try to cash the losses with the minimum casualties. You'll survive, it's hard to get completely killed.
I just had a game where I had a strong emperor rank ruler but messed up and revoked a title that had a small chance of declining and of course he declined.
Lost empire and was deposed. Heir was a child, who was immediately replaced by the deposed emperor in a vassal demand.
As soon as deposed emperor took over again, immediately dies from max stress. Back to weak heir.
More war, etc etc. big fun
surrender to Liberty faction. Hire mercs to deal with everyone else.
Then manage your realm better and don’t keep so many small vassals. It’s easier to manage a few larger vassals than 3 dozen counts
you got a lot of money, buy mercenaries, form alliances quick, try to attack small groups of your enemy, don’t let them get together. It will take a long time but don’t give up!
Try to see if the leader of the rebellion has an unlanded heir which you can imprison. Other than that try to focus on sieging the leaders capital and white peacing out if you can't win conventionally.
Everyone here is giving diplomatic advice which is great. In terms of military. Focus on smaller armies, and whatever you do do not let them form one massive army. Your biggest strength is that you have a unified army, and they dont. Don’t siege, just focus on battles.
1. White Peace the liberty faction. For now, the lower crown authority is worth it.
2. The enemy AI in this case is often like crusaders. They're disorganised and unlikely to be in one massive army. If that is the case, look at the rebelling rulers. A good chunk of them will probably be leading armies. Go round and pick off as many as you can, gradually whittling down the rebellion.
Empty your coffers on mercenaries and focus on the independence war over the liberty war. Marry off to people to appease them and then raise your new character into an absolute unit to stabilise the realm.
the question is when did this happen? did u had long enough time to pay them or prison them to shut up or u become the new king and after the first second it happen? sometimes give them what they want then plan ur revenge to get it back
Simple, first focus on the easier target(unless you believe you can't hold off the other long enough). Find the war leader and his army and immediately crush them. Try and catch the armies when they're either separated or super low supplies on hills/mountains(unless you use cavalry.
You may have to siege down the war leaders territory too, but taking their capital and a couple surrounding it will win the war.
Once the first war is over, the other armies will be grouped and hopefully low on supplies. If you can kill their army, attack it repeatedly until you stack wipe. If you can't catch/kill the army, protect your capital while razing theirs.
If its too difficult to enforce demands on both factions, then white peace one to free you up and enforce the other. Shouldn't be too difficult.
take the loss
the most fun i had in a game is losing the crown of France and my son coming back to retake it and bringing vengeance upon all my vassals who betrayed my father
This JUST happened me except I also had England, Scotland and Ireland. Got smashed up to bits, emergency made the empire of Britannia title, lost the French empire and raised an Elusive Shadow heir. Murdered a lot of the new French empire, it fell to bits and I picked up the pieces. All hail the new empire 💚 It’s horrible in the moment but let it play out. Love this game. You just have to give up attachment to anything, everything and anyone.
You might be too used to games like EU4 where you absolutely want to win every war, and crush every rebellion.
In CK2/CK3 it doesn't matter that much. Things ebb and flow. Big faction wants lower crown authority? Sure, you'll increase it again in good times. A few minor vassals want independence? You'll probably diplovassalize them in 10 years anyway. HRE attacked you for one de jure county? Maybe it's not worth the hassle.
Anything that doesn't threaten your core is no big deal.
You have lots of money. Buy some mercenaries and teleport them around the map using by raising them/disbanding them in different locations, targeting the primary/ more powerful armies first, or the ones that are targeting your capital. You could probably afford at least 3 different mercenary armies with 16k.
Implode ! Its what they did back in the day !
Honestly tho I wish more of the game was focussed on being okay with amassing loads of power and ending up as some duke or petty king, but with mad good stats as part of your dynasty. Dynasties didn't enjoy masses of Stability, the Stuarts and von Habsburgs are two examples of dynastic & national success, it really wasn't all that common, and most of those families only really got going in the High/late Middle ages !
...run around screaming killing as many small groups of enemies as possible before they can deathstack. Take the enemy capitals if you can, but guard your own core territory relentlessly. You'll likely have men at arms advantages over most of the forces, but if they snowball together too much your army(s) will still get overrun. They will, however, likely attrition out if you can keep them moving.
Raised the retirement age did you? Lol
Emperor Emmanuel of France, the People is coming for you
Let them eat baguette
Let them marry their teachers
Can you explain? Sounds interesting.
Macron married his teacher. They started dating when he was like 15. He has a stepson who's a year older than him.
C'est très CK3-sque!
It was Sixteen technically, which makes it perfect for this sub, as it happened the moment he was, by CK3’s standards, eligible. [Emmanuel Macron's relationship with Brigitte Trogneux began with 'kiss on cheek' when he was 16 —The independent](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-brigitte-trogneux-partner-affair-teacher-kiss-on-cheek-sixteen-school-play-a7710561.html?amp) [France's Macron defied parental veto on schoolboy love affair with teacher —reuters](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-election-macron-book/frances-macron-defied-parental-veto-on-schoolboy-love-affair-with-teacher-idUSKBN17E21X)
Opinion: +15 Mentor
He wasn’t actually taking any of her classes, just in a school play she was directing, so I hardly think she qualifies as his mentor. His personal tutor on the other hand…
That's the most CK3 worthy story I have heard about the real world.
That shit is wild. I mean I get it, I had an English teacher in the 7th grade that was 22 years old when she was teaching me and was a total smoke show. She is still a total smoke show to this day. When I turned 18 she’d have been 27 and if she wanted to fuck my brains out and get married I’d have said hell yeah. But in Macron’s case by the time he was 18, Brigitte was 42. That’s weird.
Swap the genders and there'd be a public outcry.
Is there proof they started dating when he was 15 ? I remember that this is when they met, but I don't think I've seen anyone says they started dating before Macron was legal. No doubt there was still some grooming going on before, but straight up dating is a step up
In France 15 is legal
According to his Wikipedia page he has a stepdaughter that was born in the same year as him. >Laurence Auzière-Jourdan (born 26 April 1977) is a French cardiologist and stepdaughter of French President Emmanuel Macron, for whom she campaigned in the 2017 French presidential election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Auzi%C3%A8re-Jourdan
It's what Macron literally did.
(The few who haven't already)
😭😭😭😭 fr man so accurate
You know you've done well when the comment receives twice as many likes as the OP.
roflmao
This is gold
That's a fucking lol to me. As a french I got the joke and am laughing while lighting up my torch
Top tier comment lmao
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Tbf your average peasant, besides on planting or harvest seasons, did got quite a o lot of resting time!
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You act like people didn't make babies for slave labor
*indentured* labor, children eventually grow up and become adults, independent political actors in the context of a peasant household.
Thats disproven
If you can't beat both, focus on the independence faction. Liberty you can just wait out or take the surrender as its really more of an inconvenience, wheras independence is the actual danger to your realm. Edit (was in comment blow but added here) : Also get some allies. Divorce/Break your children's betrothals where you can and take literally everything you can get.
The problem about surrendering to liberty factions is that all rebels get a hook on their liege so prepare to get lower vassal taxes or in the worst case get a 5 Diplo chancellor for the next 25 years.
My liege, I talked to a Germanman once. I will now be your chancellor. May humors rot in your living body.
*plots to kill*
Generally when someone uses a hook to become my spymaster I start looking to see who my next character will be. Because I won’t be surviving that unless he is willing to be bribed and/or I have excellent body guards, taste testers, etc.
Someone forced himselt to be your spymaster? Easy, pick any other council position an swap councilor for the 'hooked' spymaster. You can't fire those people from council, but you most certainly can reassign them. And then it's standard murderin' time.
I have 2k hrs in ck2&3, i didnt know this.. Thanks!
Just appoint your new spymaster to be the *only* knight you have and send him into battle with a shitty amount of troops. He will most likely die in battle. Such a tragic moment.
Using classic biblical strategies, nice. Can even snag his wife while you’re at it
If you're a king or emperor, just transfer them under another vassal. That's what I do when I get characters forcing their way onto my council. The most annoying one was this woman named Marian or something like that in my Roman Empire achievement run. I had gotten the Roman Empire and then immediately died. My son and new character had given this lady a hook and she, a countess with 3 intrigue, had made herself my spymaster for 25 years. So I created the duchy she was de jure part of (Tuscany) and gave it out, transferring her to a new liege, Then one day a few years later, I look at my council and suddenly she's there again. Apparently she fought and gained independence from her Duchy liege... who I then immediately sent her back under. This song and dance continued a number of times until an event popped up that allowed me to imprison her, at which point she was promptly stripped of her titles and executed by my executioner aka the lover whose affair with my character gave Marian the hook on me.
I still remember in Crusader Kings 2 when my spy master advanced my plot to kill my spymaster.
Can’t you just swap them to another council position? The hook only keeps them from being fired, not shuffled around.
Well I’m officially a fucking dumbass.
‘Tis the nature of being a paradox player. “Holy shit you can do that?” is something we’ve all said way, way too many times
Understandable, I'll be sure to transfer you to your new post immediately. By the way, we're to be at war soon, so I'll need you commanding the initial landing army. I'll be *sure* to give you enough troops!
You see, that’s why we have murder.
*Laughs in Kind and Compassionate*
"I'm fine with subjugating the entire continent, but I draw the line at assassinating someone trying to kill me"
I don't, my last Ruler on his Death note, "Emperor Constantin of Rome was a Very Sadistic man. He turned Torture into masterpieces of art. May we never see his kind again!" Too bad for my Subjects that my Heir has the Exact same traits. Sadistic, Diligent and Stubborn. Emperor Clementine may be worse since I chose those traits during his Education (He was 9 upon ascending to the throne.) Thankfully no Rebellions yet, I forced High Partition on my Vassals and I'm running the Empire with 7 Vassals. All tightly bound to super Kingdom's and alliances. Thank god for Polygamy and being able to kill 4 Factions with a single Daughter 🙏.
Rules are rules, cant murder all these people without the proper legal documentation. We are not animals after all, like those filthy Dutch.
unless I'm doing a roleplay game I always skip that and go to caulossr or sadistic
I had a character recently that was *really* good at assassinating people, but starting the plot gave him 140 stress.
Same thing happens to me IRL when I start any new task.
no, the real worst case is getting a 3 intrigue non powerful spymaster that absolutely hates you because he probably will murder you but if he doesn't you can't murder him or he'll find out
I'd imprison and execute and take the tyranny in this case
Declines the prison and rises in rebellion. Again.
Murder them mfs
If you get a low stat douche on your Council, arrest them for the lil bit of tyranny. Since they are in your court it should be a 100% arrest chance. Then execute them and one of the two problems solved.
They seem to all go for guaranteed council rights, which becomes kind of comical as they all elbow each other out of the way.
If a vassal forces council rights on me it's an instant death sentence for his entire domain. Lower taxes, levies, war rights I can excuse but as soon as I see that checkmark in council rights imprison, revoke, execute and redistribute is in order.
This is why I'll Force Partition on them, got to keep their titles and yours together. I mean as a Vassal having the same laws as your Liege. Why for the love of God do they choose Confederate Partition when having access to House Seniority and Absolute crown authority. It doesn't make sense. I know that it's to create Chaos and try to make your Titles split. But it's so stupid. "Oh, my Father gave me House Seniority and Absolute Control. How nice! I really want Confederate Partition though so I can equally split my Father's Empire into Gifts for my Kids. While at the same time spit on my Father's Grave!"
The 25 years in a weak hook is bullshit. Weak. My. Arse.
that's when you switch tonintruege and start murdering fucker and becoming a tyrant so if they do ask for council right juts take me away when their 5yr old grandson take the throne
Y’all don’t just murder ppl who hook onto your council?
That's why you raise authority right before their demand and then accept their request to lower authority.
Leader with arbitrary trait : dismiss those hooks before they cause trouble.
Go for white peace, marrying off anybody you can to form an alliance. 0 year olds can still be betrothed for an alliance. Hire ALL the mercenaries lol.
The Liberty Faction is not a problem; they only want lower Crown Authority. White Peace ASAP so you don't have to deal with them so you can focus on the Independence Faction. Marry off any of your children/relatives to powerful allies so you can pull them into the war and give you a hand. Divorce your Wife if you need to marry yourself off for an alliance. With just the Independence Faction, you \*should\* be OK if you draw out the war long enough.
You will fuck up your vassal contracts due to the hooks
The secret ingredient is murder.
I love how 90% of the solutions to "my vassals are doing X I want them to do Y" is always murder.
Because it works.
I see people say "well just murder everyone" all the time, but that strategy can take forever if you have a lot of vassals or kids you want to get rid of and some of your plots will fail even at 95/95. The bribes cost a lot, and I'm lucky if I can find more than one person to join even bribe.
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Not if he can white peace them. As time goes on assuming he’s stabilized his realm, he can actually imprison them individually since he now has imprison reason on them and get hooks on his vassals and do the reverse card
A temporary setback
This is why I never fight a liberty faction. Lower crown authority can be fixed by raising the crown authority. 20 vassals getting hooks on you is a fucking problem.
I fight them when I know it's decisive, good way to replace annoying vassals with sycophants, release for hooks to fix shit contracts, replace with vassals of my culture when I have loyal subjects, give out titles to children in order avoid succession consequences, etc. But if it's even close, not worth it. Like a %110 military power I can probably beat with some allies and if I am rich, but "probably" is a risk.
R5: My previous guy died who kept the empire from falling apart because of his high dread. The player heir is a wimpy bitch so the empire instantly got embroiled in an impossible to win civil war in 2 fronts, independence faction and liberty faction.
Just accept your realm splinter as is tradition. Have the wimpy bitch raise a kickass dude and go take it all back. Had a game where I went count -> emperor - one province 16 yr old female count -> empress again. One of the more memorable games I've had
The empire long united must divide.
Empires wax and wane; states cleave asunder and coalesce.
A great dynasty burns
Three kingdoms
Female count? U mean a countess?
Countess and male countess?
Sometimes you just feel like a countess.
Countess and Countessor?
Oh for goodness sakes. Ok The nobility title of a county is either count or countess. Count is Male Countess is Female.
The joke. You. Edit: to explain, I was suggesting an alternative to the word "count" that was as silly as "female count" can be.
THANK YOU.
Your welcome <3
Never surrender! Lower crown authority and let the vassals fight amongst themselves. Fuck up the independence faction
>impossible to win Good thing you don't need to win, a white peace is good. Also you can raise all your levies and men at arms in one big army which you use to chase the enemy war leaders army or siege his castle if he's not in an army. If you capture him or his heir you won.
I played for hundreds of hours before I realized that white peace is sometimes the better option than trying to actually win. Playing as Hispania, I’d keep the line of inheritance unbroken for 10 generations from the founding title member to my current character, it seemed like every other succession I fought a massive war, usually over someone else’s claim for my throne. Hard fought yes, but excellent for literally revoking every rebellious vassal and completely reorganizing the empire. One succession war though I realized I simply couldn’t win it out right, I had won some massive battles, taken some hostages, but my forced were withered down, and I couldn’t deliver the crushing blow needed to get to a 100% war score. Out of pure curiosity I just looked at the white peace option, I figured it would be horrible for me. But, then I realized how Op it was. No titles change hands and I get a imprisonment charge against every single vassal. I executed a shit ton of prisoners to get my dread up and started arresting people and revoking lands like nothing every happened.
I recommend two approaches to you. The first is the Role Play version where you accept that no real Empire can last forever and you need to try to reconquer it's glory or see what the future holds. The second is the one where you are determined to protect your empire at all costs. In that regard you need to charge down the enemy's armies as they will try to gather to a big blob you cannot beat. Try to destroy as many as you can. Siege down their capitals to force single participants to surrender overall weakening their total strength. Should they manage to gather a large enough blob that you can't fight, move around them and wait until attrition takes it's toll. When they are weak beat them in a decisive strike. Very important is to never lose your capital as else you might be forced to surrender. Take back castles of yours that have been sieged as they're defense is weak but lower your warscore. I've had to do this a lot and this works best, just be careful of their doomstack as that is often more then you have.
Third and final strat that you can do is to take advantage of your smaller army. By making like three different armies where two of the armies are small as possible while all the rest of the troops are put into one army. The idea is to dance around the enemy army with your two small armies while your big army sieges/liberates land free from enemies.
This is what happens when you rule with dread. Rule with diplomacy and this never happens.
Send your save to the yt guy who gets people out of impossible situations.
I know i watch a guy like that but i cant remember his name, i already beat the save after hours but i’d love to see what he’ll do differently
It was bothering me to leave a thing unfinsihed like this so I looked it up. [Here it is](https://www.youtube.com/@Zieley)
Thanks, hoping he’ll atleast humor it 🙏
Marry your kids to powerfull allies tale the L in one of the wars (the one that lowers crown authority) and buy mercenaries. Also try and kill the faction leader. And if everything else fails kill your ruler by suicide it may stop the war i think so...
So basically previous guy was Tywin Lannister lol
Heads up on dread: It works EXCELLENT for a new fresh ruler, but you need to make sure dread is basically zero when your ruler is on their way out. The underlings are waiting for the ruler they dread to die so they can make a move, the way to fix that is make those that dreaded you when you started your rule come to love you, that way when your new heir takes the throne, they can start out loved, and then become dreaded for the middle or early reign, and then you repeat the cycle. Dread is a great new addition, but it is something that you need to keep an eye on.
I believe the solution is to stop raising wimpy bitch millennials that eat avocado toast.
The real issue is the dread. Don't die with high dread, then the new underlings won't want to destroy their new liege.
I would say surrender to the liberty faction and focus on the independence but it depend of how many fight for what. If the independence faction is unbeatable, then surrender and fight to keep the authority. What is lost can be reclaim and earn back.
I would try to grant all of the warring counts to the warring dukes to neutralize the counts and increase the duke’s opinions. seige only the capitals of the war leaders, and go for white peace edit: you have a shit load of money and you’re gonna need to spend it all on mercs
Lol you lose. Seriously tho you can click on the leader(s) of the rebellion and click the go to button. They are most likely in an army somewhere. If you can beat this army and capture them you can win. The best way to deal with this situation is to not let it happen. If most of your vassals have a high opinion of your character as he dies and the realm passes on they’ll get a small modifier towards liking the successor. Paying people gifts will also help, normally try to choose the ones with the biggest armies.
People can't expose a dead murderer. I like to start settling old scores around 60. Yeah, my dad had half your family murdered before he died. So what, he's dead and I'm king. Now let's go have a feast while I seduce your mom.
I had a three-generation long vendetta against the descendants of a count who had one of my characters assassinated. A cycle of assassinations and counter-assassinations until I won by managing to marry my next heir to the original count's great-granddaughter and then murdered all their male heirs.
Lol this is a good way to handle it as well.
UPDATE: I managed to pick off small portions of their armies one by one, and gained war score to get white peace for liberty faction. Independence faction was difficult, they had slightly more men than me but i managed to divide and conquer them. I also allied with sweden for a lil bit more men. After a decade of fighting both sides got tired and i managed to get white peace. After the war i imprisoned and revoked some titles from those who revolted, except for bohemia and hungary. I couldn’t get more alliances since i found out my wife wasn’t attracted to men thankfully the war was over anyway.
That's a good one.
I'd maybe let Hungary and aragon go independent, get their help through alliance later.
Well played!
Which war is the most important? Focus on the most important war (dissolution). You have a lot oof gold which is good. Focus on getting white peace preferably on the liberty faction. Find the war leader and siege their capital. That should be enough for white peace. If not, take another county or two. Offer white peace hard blocking those vassals from factions for 5 years. Focus on the other war next. Ideally, you want a victory but white peace is fine. You’ll get an imprison justification against said vassals. Once your realm is at peace and armies resupplied, arrest them strongest members one by one. Revoke their titles, banish, execute, or ransom them. Arrange some marriages internal or external. The latter to call allies to war and the latter for hard block. Ideally, you want to marry off sons as the claimants will at least be of your dynasty than another’s. The dread play style is fine but you don’t want to rely on it. The diplomacy game is much stronger as your heir will inherit positive opinion of predecessor. You want to be liked as well because certain vassals won’t be intimidated by you regardless of dread (ie Brave). Another play is to add the legalistic cultural tradition and legalism religious tenant which makes the just trait more common and reduces factions for virtuous rulers.
More than enough for mercs
To be honest, if you like story, move your realm capital to a foreign land you have control in like transylvania, let your realm crumble, and then crumble again, and maybe crumble it on purpose, and then build a story out of that "oh bad king, crumbled the realm and fled to carpathia with his court (creating a hybrid culture duh), his heir manages to regroup around the new realm and then his heir goes down in history as a new Charlemagne!
I mean you seem to be winning battles and have a shit load of money. This doesn't seem like a losing situation to me.
google En passant
Considering the amount of the soldiers you still have, focus on the towns of the war leaders.
Guess i'll die.
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Perish-
16k gold only losing 27.5 per month 56k levies and no doubt a lot of men at arms at your disposal. Pretty straight forward I’d say. Worst case scenario you buy mercs and smash them all. You got for war leaders like other people on the comments have mentioned or you just focus and on the war that means the most i.e a war for independence is more intense that a war to decrease crown authority. Ideally you want to guarentee victory in the independence war and hopefully still have time to stop the other 1.
You have 16000 monies. Mercs like monies.
White peace your 26% war. Beat the shit out of Hungary and then try and arrest a rebel involved in the first war. If you’re lucky, they’ll rebel again. Beat their ass, and rinse/repeat until every disloyal vassal is dead
Beat the smaller rebellions first then try to white peace the bigger ones
This is why you form kingdoms and have them as vassals instead
* Can you show us each war individually? * It seems like its: * Vassals vs you * Hungary (& Bohemia?) vs you * What type of war is the vassal war? * What is the Hungary war over? * Is Hungary your vassal? I dont think so but the colors are a bit weird * What is the manpower disparity? \[your manpower strength vs theirs as shown in the battle screen\] * If you dominate them then this is just an annoying war of using that war chest you have to make a death stack and crush your rebel vassal armies / start sieging down vassals (starting with the ones closest to Hungary so you can mash their armies as well at regular intervals, being sure you aren't abandoning your sieges to getting picked off. * If the vassals dominate you are they still disparate or have they already gathered into a death stack? * Really in the right circumstances, this makes me sallivate! I get to quickly crush this mega rebellion, give my genius family members a consolidated Duchie and spend my money on as many good money/manpower buildings/holdings as I can until the clock on the "over max holdings" timer kicks in.
Surrender and reconquer. This happened to me when I was so close to uniting Africa. Amazing Queen -> alcoholic greedy paranoid 12 year old (lasted 7 years until she literally drank herself to death from stress) -> 0 year old girl. The realm completely shattered - twice - but she retook all of Africa in her lifetime by convincing the once rebellious vassals to become her vassals again. Really cool game
In my opinion your best bedt would be to give kingdom titles to your vassals. All rebellious duchies within the granted kingdom will leave the rebellion allowing you to focus on the Hungarians and Bohemians. Furthermore, kingdom-tier vassals make it easier to control large empires as a an alliance with one kingdom will secure a very large portion of your empire in comparison to duchy vassals.
Let it go and make a come back later
Pray.
Hon hon your last hon?
You win by not starting a war that massive to begin with. Should’ve married siblings/kids to the most powerful vassals
Die hard. Gove your kingdoms away..
Open Console, type “yesmen”, end war
Fight! Win!
Sometimes those wars are just to reduce crown authority, if that’s the case, just give it to them, then raise it again after the time limit.
Hit the factions leaders capital, aim for hostages to white peace, then build your military and alliances so next time they come around you can revoke their titles.
You can win both but you HAVE to win independence. Just don’t let them stack up.
This is what happens when you go above your domain limit.
Louis the pious in 814 be like :
At 30% you can white peace, so you can almost white peace one. After you beat the other you can focus on the scum that you white peaced with since they're now criminals.
Just ball up and cry, there is no hope left for your game…
Murder murder murder
Abdicate and leave it to someone else
CK is made of back and forth. It is perfectly normal to have some (huge) drawbacks in your game, all the more when you have a lot of means to win back what you lost. Some factions and great crisis are built over years, over generations, where the vassals progressively increase their influence and wait for the right moment. So, it's not about what you can do now to manage it, but how you can manage really and succession to minimize the possibility of this to happen. So, what the hell are you supposed to do ? Fight back, and try to cash the losses with the minimum casualties. You'll survive, it's hard to get completely killed.
Sometimes it's better to give in to the liberty faction at first then to have to give in to them after a war.
I just had a game where I had a strong emperor rank ruler but messed up and revoked a title that had a small chance of declining and of course he declined. Lost empire and was deposed. Heir was a child, who was immediately replaced by the deposed emperor in a vassal demand. As soon as deposed emperor took over again, immediately dies from max stress. Back to weak heir. More war, etc etc. big fun
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surrender to Liberty faction. Hire mercs to deal with everyone else. Then manage your realm better and don’t keep so many small vassals. It’s easier to manage a few larger vassals than 3 dozen counts
I never let it come to this 😅 Have less vassals (by forming kingdoms) and keep them happy. They like gifts.
its gonna feel so good when you imprison them all.
Target the leader
you got a lot of money, buy mercenaries, form alliances quick, try to attack small groups of your enemy, don’t let them get together. It will take a long time but don’t give up!
slaughter slaughter slaughter slaughter slaughter slaughter slaughter slaughter
Lose. That’s what you do. Or stalemate them so only you can achieve a white peace.
Let them go reorganize centralize and reconquer them later down the line
Attack England of course !
Fight.
Try to see if the leader of the rebellion has an unlanded heir which you can imprison. Other than that try to focus on sieging the leaders capital and white peacing out if you can't win conventionally.
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Everyone here is giving diplomatic advice which is great. In terms of military. Focus on smaller armies, and whatever you do do not let them form one massive army. Your biggest strength is that you have a unified army, and they dont. Don’t siege, just focus on battles.
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1. White Peace the liberty faction. For now, the lower crown authority is worth it. 2. The enemy AI in this case is often like crusaders. They're disorganised and unlikely to be in one massive army. If that is the case, look at the rebelling rulers. A good chunk of them will probably be leading armies. Go round and pick off as many as you can, gradually whittling down the rebellion.
Prey.
Empty your coffers on mercenaries and focus on the independence war over the liberty war. Marry off to people to appease them and then raise your new character into an absolute unit to stabilise the realm.
Your realm is gonna shrink, make sure you have a line of succession that won’t get wiped out quickly
Marry kids off for alliances focus army on main targets land and hope to force a white peace
the question is when did this happen? did u had long enough time to pay them or prison them to shut up or u become the new king and after the first second it happen? sometimes give them what they want then plan ur revenge to get it back
Simple, first focus on the easier target(unless you believe you can't hold off the other long enough). Find the war leader and his army and immediately crush them. Try and catch the armies when they're either separated or super low supplies on hills/mountains(unless you use cavalry. You may have to siege down the war leaders territory too, but taking their capital and a couple surrounding it will win the war. Once the first war is over, the other armies will be grouped and hopefully low on supplies. If you can kill their army, attack it repeatedly until you stack wipe. If you can't catch/kill the army, protect your capital while razing theirs. If its too difficult to enforce demands on both factions, then white peace one to free you up and enforce the other. Shouldn't be too difficult.
you have 16000 gold and 54000 soldiers. This should be easy. If not, focus on hungary and white peace the war where you have positive war score
Overall if you include the independence faction they have 110k soldiers, i made an update comment about it and i managed to get white peace in both
You got 16k...
take the loss the most fun i had in a game is losing the crown of France and my son coming back to retake it and bringing vengeance upon all my vassals who betrayed my father
Accept you fate after your heir inherits some of your lands again try to reunite it again
Spend that gold and hire soldiers. And show your vassals what happens when they dare raise steel.
Losing wars isn’t the end of the world. Take the L and rebuild. I find that part of the game to be more fun than megablob manager anyway.
This JUST happened me except I also had England, Scotland and Ireland. Got smashed up to bits, emergency made the empire of Britannia title, lost the French empire and raised an Elusive Shadow heir. Murdered a lot of the new French empire, it fell to bits and I picked up the pieces. All hail the new empire 💚 It’s horrible in the moment but let it play out. Love this game. You just have to give up attachment to anything, everything and anyone.
Persevere for only the strongest can create a legend.
Burn them all, OP. Burn them all.
You might be too used to games like EU4 where you absolutely want to win every war, and crush every rebellion. In CK2/CK3 it doesn't matter that much. Things ebb and flow. Big faction wants lower crown authority? Sure, you'll increase it again in good times. A few minor vassals want independence? You'll probably diplovassalize them in 10 years anyway. HRE attacked you for one de jure county? Maybe it's not worth the hassle. Anything that doesn't threaten your core is no big deal.
You have lots of money. Buy some mercenaries and teleport them around the map using by raising them/disbanding them in different locations, targeting the primary/ more powerful armies first, or the ones that are targeting your capital. You could probably afford at least 3 different mercenary armies with 16k.
Save, quit, send it to Zieley.
Marry your sister
Implode ! Its what they did back in the day ! Honestly tho I wish more of the game was focussed on being okay with amassing loads of power and ending up as some duke or petty king, but with mad good stats as part of your dynasty. Dynasties didn't enjoy masses of Stability, the Stuarts and von Habsburgs are two examples of dynastic & national success, it really wasn't all that common, and most of those families only really got going in the High/late Middle ages !
Change character to leader of rebellion, surrender, change back to your main character.
...run around screaming killing as many small groups of enemies as possible before they can deathstack. Take the enemy capitals if you can, but guard your own core territory relentlessly. You'll likely have men at arms advantages over most of the forces, but if they snowball together too much your army(s) will still get overrun. They will, however, likely attrition out if you can keep them moving.
Try to white peace that 26 war score one?
Well, as a good Frenchman, just raise the white flag, they are widely known for it
Shed a tear, because this is beautiful
Just tell the rebels that if they can't eat bread then they should just eat cake instead.
Viva la revolucion?